/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Pickme Griftpa

>>45085117

>>45088774
grand wizards we won

>>45088774
>Finana
>500
Oof, it's that bad huh?

>>45088850
Pippa needs to do a lewd asmr with a countdown as apology.

>>45088774
Good to see the sjw nijinigger scum being so low

>>45088941
500 is actually good for her, she's usually around 300

>>45088774
Finana sounds like AOC. Listening to her yammer on about "muh gaslighting" seemed like it was scripted too. KWAB

She's Finanished

>>45088941
>>45088774
>tell people to educate themselves
>they do

>>45088774
God I wanna fuck Pippa so badly. I want to mand handle her little skinny body and knock her up over and over again

This fish is cooked

wtf happened to Nijisanji, all of them have more than half of their viewers gone from last year or near debut

>>45089092

>>45089077
She used to average around 2K last fall.

>>45089214
Replaced their organic fans with Twitter trannies. Most of the Lazusydiabros are now Phase Connect, Production Kawaii, Idol Corp, EIEIN, and Indie fans right now.

>>45089323
This is exactly what happened to me. She told me to educate myself, so I did by finding better Vtubers to watch.

>>45088850
Do you think her management is going to let her go around shitting on trannies?

>>45089214
This is what happens when you try to virtue signal to outrage tourists instead of targeting your own established fanbase.

>>45089180
that's a 3 year old rabbit coded child

>>45089214
Twitter trannies don't watch streams

Ooooof, turns out vagueposting about your former friend who can't defend herself isn't great for viewership.

>>45089323
Yeah, I watch 3 Phasegirls, a couple IdolENs, and Riifu now. Also some EN indies on YT and Twitch. I haven't watched a NijiEN stream for at least 4 months.
I was a 6 month member to Millie.

>>45089311
No she didn't. Finana has always haf low CCV especially when she started spamming gacha games.

Fuck Pippa, fuck Rosemi, don't fuck or trust Lumi

>>45089687
*3.33

>>45089214
The twitter nijisisters that joined with luxiem filled the EN side with toxicity and drove the actual otaku out

>>45089813
was it just the fame that got to her? was she better as ririca

>>45089823
She fell below Pippa only after her "educate yourself" arc. And that was when Pippa was barely scratching 4view territory.

>>45089323
Pretty much. I started to watch NijiEN because HoloEN barely streamed and then they went for the tranny, SJW, and unironic cuck audience. I'm much happier with a few members of small corpos and indies. Far better stream variety too. NijiEN has become an absolute dumpster fire and I'm elated I got out early.

rankings are pigslop content

>>45088774
Finana...

>>45089323
I still watch Pomu mostly out of spite to the sisters but would consider myself a jewbro

>>45090077
Better play the blockgame for 20h a week, right?

>>45089323
Ah, I suppose that would make sense.
Glad i never cared about Nijisanji since it hardly felt organic
Niji always felt forced

All those retweets about muh gaslighting, but they don't show up to the stream.

>>45089323
Sometimes it feels like a whole separate world watching Rosemi/Selen/Pomu and then looking at the rest of NijiEN. The fanbase, even here, is too vile to ignore though and if I'm going to enjoy someone just for myself I might as well be playing a visual novel.

NijiEN fanbase reminds me a lot of the Genshin fanbase. 80% women who spend all their time on social media but don't actually play the game.

>>45089214
YABS YABS YABS YABS YABS YABS YABS
China pandering
SJW pandering
Insulting parasocial fucks

There's a reason Pomu is the only Lazu that regularly gets 3k, while lying Feesh is 3view

>>45090779
Yabs actually bring viewership.
The other three is what did it.
That and eating their own.

>>45090031
I didn't watch her back then but from what I've seen in clips, she was more lighthearted and not such a follower when Enna wasn't her coworker.

>>45090031
she's paid a salary now, she doesn't need to try new different jokes or content, she did more back in her PL

>>45090505
When I dropped NijiEN outright, it felt like the entire well was poisoned at that point. Even if some members were affected less than others, you still couldn't get completely away from it. I really did enjoy Rosemi and Pomu, albeit relatively briefly, but they still got caught up in the shit caused by pretty much everyone else. It's a shame some of the better members of NijiEN didn't end up somewhere better, whether that be with HoloEN (which still has its own major issues), an up-and-coming small corpo, or an indie. They are on a very rapidly sinking ship.

>>45090828
>Yabs actually bring viewership.
LMFAO
Then why the yab factory that's Nijishit bled half of their viewership for the past year

>>45091087
I just told you. The other three and eating their own. They fuck each other over, and the corp fucks THEM over.
At least Hololive has the good sense NOT to get in the way of the money flow, and the talents generally don't interfere with each other.

>>45090828
Only the "right" yabs bring views. Yabs like Zaion making edgy jokes or randomly blurting out her kinks are the ones that turn heads and grow viewers and she got terminated for it. Yabs like Finana telling people to educate themselves over common terminology used by every weeb but that twitter trannies get offended at is the bad kind of yab.

>>45089311
bruh she's been almost permanent 3 view at least since her big yabs

>>45091227
Good point.

>>45090828
>Yabs actually bring viewership
No they don't, they bring discussion, and thats not the same thing as viewership

>>45089214
I still primarily watch Pomu, whatever collab she's in, big EN/JP events and the occasional NijiJP stream nowadays. But I mostly switched to Indies during JP primetime.

>>45088941
The price of education.

>>45088774
nijibros how will we ever recover

>today I will remind them
https://files.catbox.moe/23ybzo.mp4

>>45089214
It makes me wonder how some of the early/traditional EN members like Pomu feel with how their subsequent coworkers and management are actively (and possibly consciously) destroying their original viewership and appeal.

>>45088774
Its funny since it comes to mind the day Selen and Finana found Pippa in a game (or someone with her name), and Finana didnt know what pahse connect was lmao

>>45091446
Tell that to Shondo or Pipka.

>>45089323
The only ones i still watch are Selen and Pomu. Besides that yeah, small corpos are better than whatever the fuck the branch has turned into.

>>45091227
This

>>45091227
People like the narrative of 'ditzy anime streamers who can't help but be themselves and keep stumbling into trouble while management struggles to rein them in for their own good'. That's the original way yabs went and why the stupid 'yagoo's dream' meme got so much traction.
Only Anycolor managed to somehow fuck it up in the completely opposite manner. It's no longer a joke if your management actually terminates you for inconsequential audience-facing stuff.

>>45091884
Pomu knows she's stuck. Even if she did want to leave she can't. Management would sooner throw her to the wolves than let her pull a Yugo and be more successful after graduating. And those wolves have plenty of dox to plaster everywhere. Even if some of it is unironically illegal to possess, let alone post. We all know that wouldn't stop those freaks.

>>45091987
That wasn't pippa, it was a phasefan

>>45088774
Hate Pick-me Pippa but hate snake ass Miss "Educate yourself" Finana even more so grats Shitppa.

>>45092466
That's a good litmus test of whether or not you work for an unironic black company. Is it safe for you to gracefully put in your notice and leave? I agree with you; it's reached a point where she can't. The management is barely a step above wactor and I genuinely feel for the few members I still hold respect for. If management doesn't throw them under the bus then the remaining members or fanbase undoubtably will. If I was in their place and wanted out I would be lawyering up big time beforehand.

>>45089214
They get what they deserve

>>45089323
love Airi, Sava and Shiki, simple as

Shiki birthday stream btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK2uItJWQ4c

>>45092437
Except everyone in NijiEN does that but none of them had problems like zaion did, because they they changed whenever they were warned
reminder at how nijicancelled streams have them talking a lot of shit but they still had to contain themselves with some jokes on that card game because there was things that could make them be terminated if they went too far. difference between zaion and others is how others either know the rules and work around it or if they broke it, they learned how to not do it again after a bonking

>>45089214
>Don't even like Minecraft streams but the ones when Lazulight debuted put a smile on my face
>Nowadays NijiEN just feels like a bunch of ecelebs that don't even care about their viewers.
Kinda hard to tell what happened but after the 3rd and 4th wave it just went downhill for me and I stopped watching them.

>>45092466
>>45092798
You have to be a complete retard to think like this. Pomu is extremely happy to be in there and thats literally her dream, she talks all the time about how this doesn't even seems like work to her.
If Pomu ever wants to leave, she will leave. Stop acting like this zaion case is the same for everyone when it didnt affect anyone else, which is over 30 members.

>>45089214
Nothing happened to Nijisanji. That's not Nijisanji, that's NijiEN, a branch
Nijisanji is NijiJP and they couldn't be more successful than ever.

>>45091227
>Only the "right" yabs bring views. Yabs like Zaion making edgy jokes or randomly blurting out her kinks are the ones that turn heads and grow viewers
bullshit. she had worse views than all xsoleil and stopped growing much before she was suspended.

>>45089214
I'm watching Salome again since I dropped Enna, it was unfortunate that they streamed at the exact same time. DannRon was a hard pass for me, but now I'm having a great time.

>>45093036
Yep, i watch a lot of NijiJP and i don't go anywhere near the dumpster fire that is EN

>>45093036
it's so bizarre to me how western fans insist on saying nijisanji when referring to nijien while they correctly say njiid, nijijp and nijikr for their branches

>>45093114
Because none of those yabs were actually yabs until they decided to suspend her in the first place, hence the backlash.

>>45093152
Tbf to nijien, there's still a lot of good members in there and many who dont get involved in drama. its a few that give this image, and then the retarded fanbase that creates drama

>>45093203
backlash? the very majority of the viewers agree with the suspension and termination anon..

>>45093189
They only watch nijiEN so nijiEN is nijisanji to them. They only use the countries for other branches so that people know they aren't referring to nijiEN.

>>45093036
Far enough, I just keep reminding myself of the infamous
>omg they are doing so well
>yah they earn as much as their jp counter parts
Its just bizarre, like twilight zone

>>45093303
Are you trying to argue that minorities don't matter?

>>45092909
We know exactly what happened: Luxiem happened. Luxiem brought fujos, yumes, and insane twitter freaks into the NijiEN viewerbase. Wave 3 (Ethyria) didn't have much time to learn to walk before Luxiem stomped all over them, and they ended up leeching onto Luxiem so they wouldn't be left behind. The problem only compounded with Noctyx, and the 3view waves Iluna and Xsoleli after.

I say this as a Finana simp, but her content is getting pretty stale, it's usually reading dialogue, followed by her thirsting over *insert character*

>>45088774
You see this is what happens when you play Hogwarts Legacy.
I hope she plays it again.

>>45089823
>>45089077
Finana's recent average is 968. You sound like all your information comes from bait threads. Still pretty terrible for Gen 1 NijiEN.

>>45093303
You mean the majority of non-viewers who talk a lot while slowly killing off the real viewers.

>>45093257
Who are the good members in your opinion? I watch only a bit of Selen and Kotoka and they seem fine

>>45093484
Get out while recognize it. Rip off the bandage and get it over with. There are so many better vtubers out there who you would enjoy more and who would value your viewership to a greater degree.

>>45089474
Yes

>>45093642 (Me)
While you*
Serves me right for editing the post without proofreading it.

>>45093568
I'm very interested in how you're getting that number. Every time I've clicked on her streams lately, her ccv is under 700. When is she getting over 1k to bring her average up that high?

>>45092834
>post just talking about how nijiEN management didn't play into the genre subversion factor of corpo vtubers
>You: Yeah but she deserved it and could have avoided it

You know part of why people call you guys interns because all of your posts are so desperately centered around trying to dodge some ghost of a wrongful termination suit instead of realizing that's just the tip of the iceberg

>>45091987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3YQ0ApMXNA
Timestamp at 4:40 pippa now mogs them in viewers and superchats. Proud of pippa.

>>45089214
Indie revolution, this is literally what happened during youtube's early days with machinima and other corpos. The corpos were turned upside down, paving the way for indies like pewds and markiplier. In 5 years the corpo influence will lessen even more

>>45089687
Rabbits reach maturity by the time they're 6 months old. This is one old rabbit coded grandma if anything

>>45089323
Even the guys fans seem to be moving on, they don't get as many viewers now. Each new wave is just more 3views and barely brings anything new or interesting to the table

>>45093916
Even then, you'd still retain some or flat line
This is just bleeding
Like her Tsunami song is over 4m

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BE SUCCESFUL AS A STREAMER WHILE PANDERING TO 4CHAN! EVERYONE DISSACIATES AFTER GETTING MILDLY POPULAR YOU CAN'T DO THIS!!!

>>45089845
Fuck pippa(literally) fuck rosemi (literally) do not trust but fuck lumi (both figuratively AND literally)

>>45093956
The waves are too close to each other even for people with no attention span.

>>45093642
Kinda sad to see though, Feesh was good until the Discord yabs, then the gacha spam got worse, she recovered a bit with her racing phase but she immediately dropped it, which was disappointing.

>>45089214
>>45089323
>>45089555
>>45089737
>>45089912
I feel like this is what's going to happen to Hololive.
I'm not saying to hate on them, i'm saying this because i am worried for them.
With HoloEN's recent stance on Hogwarts Legacy and "gotta support the cause" i fear that they're going down the same path.

>>45093933
The whole point of the "coded" bullshit shaming language is specifically to target shit like lolibaba or girls that look young but are actually 18+ etc. It doesn't matter that she's actually 20, she's "minor coded".

>>45091087
Why is the yabbit currently kicking their asses?

>>45093600
no thats very much the majority of viewers who put money in the branch

>>45091694
I am loving the poetic irony.

>>45094099
Meds

>>45092172
Who is pipka? Is she a based loose mouth like shondo?

>>45094048
Nijisis, people are just making a simple observation of the shifting culture of nijiEN combined with their viewership dropping by half almost across the board despite other corps doing fine or even inclining.

>>45093036
But is that success enough to make up for the failings?

>>45094081
I never watched her much, but I did like her GTA playthrough. Having had to drop other vtubers myself when they went to shit I know it stings, but I know from experience it's easier to just quit watching wholesale and finding someone else you like than clinging on and hoping things will get better (because it won't). Just let it go. It's not like she's going to miss you.

>>45091694
What a cunt.

>>45094253
You telling me i don't have reason to worry?
If you have anything against what i just said then actually tell me instead of responding with mindless memes.

>>45094171
>source:my ass

>>45094162
Pippa had no yabs, she might be a low crawling leeching opportunist piece of garbage of a vtuber but doesn't really have yabs

>>45094313
NijiJP had revenue bigger than all hololive branches in the last quarter, they are fine.

>>45094099
>HoloEN's recent stance on Hogwarts Legacy
It's one guy

>>45094467
Well if you wanna get technical the whole Hogwarts Legacy thing can be considered a purposeful yab as a PR stunt.
And no need to be like that towards Pippa.

>>45094265
She's the walmart Pekora pink rabbit. Her CCV has basically doubled over the past weeks thanks to that whole nontroversy, Sh had almost 3500 ccv today just eating chicken on stream and making a tier list.

>>45094099
Altares statement is shit, but I can see why Holoen would rather not deal with it
You have to way the pros and cons of things
If none of the girls wants to play the game, then theirs no issue, it's a nothing burger
atm they are doing fine and don't lean to much into politics which is the issue
If they start spouting no traps or huge statements then you'll start to see some friction

>>45094571
Well considering how no one else there is playing the game it's reasonable to believe that they're all being forced to stay silent as a stance.

>>45094147
Yeah i know. Its just that these people will also demand that a fully grown 'adult coded' 2 week old story contrivance is also pedophilia while defending actual real life chomos

>>45088774
NTA i dont give a fuck about either but its insane to me that pippa literally mogs the fuck out of finana what happened to her i honestly havent kept up with Niji in like a year

Wow, imagine a grifter doing an eating stream of a very popular fast food place getting more viewers than a girl from a 2nd rate group like NijiEN

PANKO MANKO

>>45091694
Even though this wasn't actually Pippa it brings a smile to my face with how condescending they were towards her and PC and how she now regularly surpasses Selen and completely annihilates Finana several times over.

>>45089180

>>45094632
Watch this video and try to tell me these girls wouldn't want to play the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT2ixTvIiPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPIFP4GVWLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I0NPqcGt4o

>>45094621
Oh you mean pippa.
Yeah long time fan. I cant believe brolime actually got like 40% of his subscribers as ccv because pips cant eat more than a mouse

>>45094813
Give me clips of them saying "Man I want to play the game, but management said no."
Anything close because the only ones i know is Bae and Gura
Fishing for slight jabs at magic jokes is nothing

>>45088774
In this case this isn't about how good or bad Pippa is, but how horribly Finana managed to implode her own career and image. I feel kinda bad for her though I only watched a few streams of hers way back before maletubers infected Niji.

>>45089214
Perpetual yabs to the point it all boils down to pure chaos. It's not that there were specific hits that disrupted the ordinary situation, but the ordinary state of the entire EN branch is like a perpetual clusterfuck of everything coming from all sides.

>>45094403
NTA but you have nothing to worry about until Western women decide to start watching hololive en masse which probably isn't going to happen.

>>45089813
I see that you have educated yourself

>>45094682
Less likely a branch-wide stance of support than them simply trying to avoid attracting crazy people to the talents. Which is the same reason Coco was, unfortunately, barred from collaborating with HoloEN until after her graduation was announced. They don't want a bunch of psychopaths flooding the place and harassing/doxxing them. Not saying that bending the knee is much better than support, but there is a difference. Still hate the blue homo for trying to get political though.

>>45094813
Imagine, in a different timeline where Rowling dodged the trans stuff, we'll instead be arguing over who was a TRUE FAN of harry potter and who is only playing it for the numbers when there are 5 HL streams lined up

>>45095128
That's what she meant, right?

>>45093865
>he still thinks Selen laughed at Pippa
kek retard

>>45093726
probably gonna let her continue to shit on glowies and kikes too. how kikes? because glowies are their slaves and she knows this just as we know this

>>45088774
This has to be a bug, right? No way she only got 4 superchats in a 5 hour stream.

>>45089214
They invested everything into twitter and it backfired

>>45089323
Honestly same, I've been really enjoying the idol corp girls, reminds me of niji en before luxiem

>>45095064
The problem isn't the yabs, it's that the yabs are politically polarizing. A bunch of normalfag Western twitter women vs the core otaku fanbase. Appealing to the former just drives out the otaku and you're only left with half the viewers.

>>45095501
Hololyzer confirms. Finana's superchats are abysmal. Always have been.

>>45090505
Yeah I hard unsubbed from most of EN and all the clippers, shit was getting too toxic, when pomu and selen do solo streams I watch them but no more niji en unity shit

>>45088774
Looks like the virtue signallers who never actually cared about Finana have finally left her stream and we can see just how big the damage from the educate incident really was.

>>45095617
she has over 100k SC in almost 2 years of career. not really abysmal, I would say

>>45095753
all she has to do is go full Finance AVchuuba bait

>>45093370
kek

>>45095753
Most of that came very early into her streaming though.

>>45095753
Her best days are already behind her. After the males debuted, she never made more than $10k/month again, and idk why but after her 2nd birthday (June 2022) she never made above $5k/month again.

>>45094632
>>45095060
anon, altare is the holo EN branch manager, he was omega and ao-chan but due to no one liking him, decided to reroll
there are links flying around to his PL youtube channel that was linked to his old minecraft account that he was on with pre-debut Irys' test stream

>>45095993 (me)
>idk why but after her 2nd birthday (June 2022) she never made above $5k/month again
Oh wait, I know why, that was around the time of her "parasocial fucks" tweet. Well that answers that.

>>45095993
>but after her 2nd birthday (June 2022) she never made above $5k/month again.
Unironically grim.

>>45095753
That's great as an indie, not as a corporate vtuber operating on youtube, she gets around half that money.
This means she's making on average 25k a year
I made 31k this year anon, and I actually probably worked less than she did

>>45089214
Niji males happened and made all the girls crazy. Shit is unwatchable now.

>>45096294
She gets 35% of superchats. Youtube takes 30% off the top and then Finana splits the rest with Anycolor 50/50. Playboard pegs her at $141,481 total in supers. So she's actually earned $49,518.35 total before taxes. The odds are high she's spent it all on gacha too.

>>45089180
I imagine her hole is like an industrial clamp on your cock. Once she latches on, you're not getting free until your balls are empty

>>45088774
Why you guys only talk about pippa where the other girls from phase?

>>45095615
True. We could simply say that the actual fans of vtubing and weebs are completely filtered out due to those polarizing yabs and general feeling of being shunned by the chuubas. Why watch someone who insults you when there's a world of welcoming chuubas and corpos just a click away? This in turn means that the now majority of NijiEN's audience aren't actual fans of vtubing or weebs, but just a mixture of culture warriors and other such nonsense who have no interest in watching streams or the girls themselves or have any sort of emotional or other investment in the whole thing. That's not sustainable in the least. It's wrong to even call them casual fans because they aren't fans in any true capacity, or even tourists. They just took the branch hostage and to make matters worse some chuubas in it belong to the same opinionated but otherwise disinterested kind.

I used to watch NijiEN during Myth's utter dominance and got filtered out by the males, which I still consider abominable towards the girls who fought to keep the branch relevant and created their own culture. Pomu, Rosemi, Selen and Elira, Petra... they all created something lovely, but then got thrown aside like a used tissue. The whole way Nijisanji treats its streamers is jarring to me. Sure, there has to be competition but in their case it just goes too fast and too hard, resulting in an atmosphere of perpetual neurotic worry and stress. It's just an unhealthy environment. Everyone is utterly disposable. And this general observation is before we take into account all the bullshit that happened afterwards and is happening now.

>>45096294
>>45095993
Thats only SC though. Looking at SC alone yes you can make an analysis about SC itself
but she still has straemlabs, voice packs, sponsorship deals, events (anime events) and merch so shes getting more money than this.
And considering how she lives with her parents, she can spend even more because she doesnt need to pay shit except things she wants

>>45096777
Tenma and Lumi are 600-1200ccv too depending on the game and timeslot. I don't watch Shiina myself but I think she's starting to average near 500ccv. Pippa is the standout of course but there are other talents who are inclining and pull their own weight as a high 3view/low 4view.

>>45096930
>I used to watch NijiEN during Myth's utter dominance and got filtered out by the males, which I still consider abominable towards the girls who fought to keep the branch relevant and created their own culture. Pomu, Rosemi, Selen and Elira, Petra... they all created something lovely, but then got thrown aside like a used tissue. The whole way Nijisanji treats its streamers is jarring to me. Sure, there has to be competition but in their case it just goes too fast and too hard, resulting in an atmosphere of perpetual neurotic worry and stress. It's just an unhealthy environment. Everyone is utterly disposable. And this general observation is before we take into account all the bullshit that happened afterwards and is happening now.
That's not a thing in EN or JP. Everyone who got in also already knew how Nijisanji works in terms of debut rates, even more those you mentioned who were nijisanji fans before. They knew males would come, they knew the debut rates of nijisanji, they arent victims.

>>45097176
They for sure knew males were coming, but they were probably expecting the debut rates to be similar to ID and KR, not JP during it's heyday (JP had started slowing down debuts by mid-2020)

>>45089214
The mentally disturbed Twitter Niji sisters that came with Luxium drove most of the OG fans out because of their fucking SJW bullshit. The recent drama and everything else before, Started because of them. With the exception of Finana just being woke garbage. Shiting on her fans calling them fucks and she goes from having 3k average views to basically nothing. Pomu is good and there is a reason she still gets 3k. Sisters want her gone too. The other Anon is right about the OG fans moving to Idol, Phase, Kawaii, ect. I’m mostly an Idol fan now. Those Kpop freaks aren’t over there so it’s pretty chill. I could fucking go on and on but you get idea.

>>45091694
Pippa mogs the shit out of both of them now haha. Looks like Selen is not laughing anymore.

>>45088774
if pipper's so great why isn't she helping Zaion and calling out niggersanji as the black company they are? Probably because she wants to leech of of them too.

>>45093397
Pretty much this. You’re not wrong G. Luxium brought all those woke women with them and everything has been fucked since. The shit show has literally not stopped since they came. Nijisanji bends the knee to them and will regret it in the long run when the numbers drop down to hell. That’s basically already happening with a lot of them. There is a reason Idol and others have been getting big influxes in new fans.

>>45093114
>bullshit. she had worse views than all xsoleil and stopped growing much before she was suspende
because she was fucking soft suspended back in December you fucking nigwad

>>45091694
What was even the point of her saying this? Just to be a cunt?

>>45097752
NijiEN never reached even close to the debut rates of JP in the heyday. They debuted 20 in one year, while JP in one year from feb 2018 to feb 2019 debuted more than 60 members. they are closer to ID/KR than JP

>>45099024
she was soft suspended in january retard, at that time she was already the least popular

>>45098622
She is helping behind the scenes though.
Getting Lisa, Shondo, and Yuko to follow notZaion while likely swaying False to be sympathetic

>>45099183
No she wasn't
Kotoka and Doppio were last and only passed her when she was suspended and Kotoka had to leech off of JP to barely boost her numbers

>>45099325
>leech JP
lmao, tell me you are a numbernigger without telling me

>>45099150
EN had 20 members in the first 10 months. ID only had 19 members over the course of 24 months.

>>45088774
Deflect thread

I get that you wanna dunk on nijis, but don't you think it's insulting to even compare anyone's numbers to Finana? It's like comparing Usain Bolt and a leg amputee in terms of how fast they can move

>>45099381
>Guerrilla Ark #252 Oh and look a JP-senpai just happens to be on the server now, let's go introduce myself to them and their viewers!

>>45088774
Look like they got educated a little too hard that they moved on to someone better

>>45089323
same. I only watch Rosemi with any consistency now while I watch 5 Phase girls consistently, 2 of the Eien girls, 2 of the Idol Girls, and a couple pf girls from other small corpos like Liora and Shiki. I don't even resent the Niji girls I just kind of stopped having fun watching them overtime and stopped wanting to interact with their fanbases..

>>45092970
Yup, you are right.
All of these Cover shill sure are shameless for wanting Pomu to leave Nijisanji.
They are jealous for having lazy whore in HoloEN.

>>45089323
I stopped posting with the /nijiEN/ thread right after twitter women and trannies found out it exists. It really went downhill and it's pretty depressing to see

>>45091019
>caught up in the shit
The m*les pop into every stream to shit on the viewers. Nijisanji is just cuck club.

>>45089323
Can confirm. I'm having much more fun watching indies now.

>>45097149
Uruka needs to finish school so she can stream regularly again. She used to actually lead.

>>45089323
This. Nowadays i prefer phase/kawaii/idol/shondo than abomination that nijien turned into.

>>45088774
I feel bad for Finana. I know she’s not malicious in her Yabs. But she is just so fucking stupid. Doesn’t help that she’s a chronic gacha addict either…. I wish I could go back to pre trap, pre doxxcord Finana…..

>>45088850
/vt/ doesn't have the level awareness to understand this applies to them.

>>45089077
It depends on what Finana is streaming. If she streams something popular or interesting, she's 1k+. If she streams debuff games, she's usually just under 1k.

>>45099443
Thats still closer to ID than JP, anon, when JP debuted over 60 members in one year..

>>45089687
Uuuuuooooooooooooooh

>>45101162
Native market (Japan) vs Foreign market (ID). Probably figured EN would take a slow path like ID, KR, and IN before it, not blast past them all after less than a year.

>>45089214
Why was this deleted?

>>45088774
Pippa solo carrying the company

>>45097149
it helps that pippa wants phase connect to grow and will occasionally shill the other members

I bet Finana got gaslighted from the numbers

>>45093777
Events, collabs, raids, and enough streams in the low 4 digits to offset her lower streams.

>>45088774
it's not fair to compare a 3 view with a 4 view.

>>45104584
>12k outfit reveal
Holy shit! not even Anya's number is that low

>>45090505
>pomu
she's just as bad as the others.

>>45090828
>Mysta's birthday celebration lost to a random archived Mumei karaoke stream
>Milord struggles to break past 6k CCV with his ASMR streams despite him having a breakdown because 10k people vanished from one of his ASMR streams a few months ago
>Luca has 2.6k CCV with fucking Elden Ring RIGHT NOW
sure thing bro

>>45104584
grim

>>45088850
Griftkin Pippa

>>45104872
>10k people vanished from one of his ASMR streams
Wait what? Like the viewbots went offline all at once? Or was it just such a terrible ASMR that it started with 10k more people than it ended with?

>>45089323
>replaced all the FOTM chasers and groomers
Big loss

>>45105054
He had some sort of "technical issue" and his viewer count dropped from 16k to 6k.

>>45105109
Hex...

yeah, because nijisanji has this weird mentality about insulting their viewers while wantin their attention and sympathy.
phase connect just streams without any such pretenses. all phase connect is infinitely more watchable than nijisanji.

>>45095165
All that shit did was make me take the AO-Chan = Omega = Altare rrat more seriously.

>>45099031
Arrogance.

>>45105202
lmao

>>45094279
SEAtard, you're replying to a pippa fan who's shitting on nijisisters who call her a grifter/pickme/etc.

>>45091694
phase connect will laugh as nijicunts fall.

>>45088774
based phase connect

>>45088774
jezas...

>>45104584
>Raid Stream
She's been the sponsor whore member for a long time now and I guess she felt offended when Zaion ragged on the company. Not her fault that their lowest viewed livers(Finana, Aia, Scarle) in EN stream that shit.

>>45101517
More people worldwide speak English than Korean, Japanese, and Indonesian combined. And a lot of Indians, Koreans, and Indos already know English to some level. Comparing JPs pool of potential viewers to EN is like comparing a puddle to a swimming pool.

>>45106276
>everybody who speaks the language is a potential viewer
>I am very smart
Anon, you should consider that you might be an idiot instead of an expert.

I went from a Niji enjoyer to Niji hater in a span of a few months.

>>45101549
the word trans triggers the nijijanny

>>45103762
Phase Connect members seem rather close with each other.
I watch Tenma primarily and she brings up the others every now and then.
I watch Airi sometimes and she also often brings up interactions she's had with other members.

>>45106386
But it just said that Niji have lost over half their viewers from last year, there was nothing offensive about it.

>>45106315
What triggered you about what I said? It's not incorrect. Setting aside financial constraints across different nations, there's simply a ton more people that can understand English and watch a stream than there are Japanese speakers.

>>45106422
Gen 2 being delayed meant they were together and hanging out in discord for around half a year before debuting last fall. Alias has been together for over a year now.

>>45091694
Nijien really got too cocky when it was only luxiem doing big numbers thanks to chinks and bots and now look at how their audience has halved.

Oof. Pippa is already reclining that much, huh? Guess the HL grift didn't have much staying power after all.

>>45093614
Scarle is the only good one in the recent waves for me, and not just because of her character model. She actually knows how to keep a stream going without dead air.

>>45106770
>gained 1k average CCV since then
>reclined
Pretty unreal how much she managed to retain from that.

>>45106332
I became a Niji hater after they graduated my oshi, Zaion, to pander to SJW trash.

>>45088774
I want to lick Pippa cunny

>>45088774
you better not stop

>>45096777
Pippa's a yab machine, a drama generator. That's what /vt/sisters actually care about.

>>45089845
>>45094051
What did Lumi ever do? Is it because she told chat off (in a very mild manner) once? Because her chat is pretty retarded.

>>45107009
Even with maximum filter streams like SC reading she sits around 1.5K

>>45109203
I think many fans weren't happy with the model change and leaning into being blonde Vei.

>>45088941

>>45109527
unironically Pomu-tier numbers, impressive

>>45106770
You tell them sister! Two more weeks and pipkin pippa will surely be finished! She only came out of the HL boost with 1k extra ccvs! Haha, her grift is soon over!

failfish finally going back to being a mid 3view took too long desu

>>45115584
This image will always be funny to me

>>45115625
And idk how to explain why, it just is

>>45115657
It speaks of the soul of the /vt/ anti

>>45089323
glad you guys have both a spine(see fandeads) and stayed around in vtubing. hope your new oshis treasure you.

>>45109643
leaning into? it's a fucking same face man.

>>45088850
No, anon, you just never understood what she was about.

https://youtu.be/IqTAU7TrdRY?t=1634
https://youtu.be/w6TuSp6N4oo
https://youtu.be/9DvSM3fzybA
https://youtu.be/LO4DsqrD-hM
https://youtu.be/JKDaTJ24WL0
https://youtu.be/UtzMskn9dNA

>>45098534
>Selen is not laughing anymore
is that even possible

>>45088774
i-it's just a phase

The first Niji EN I saw was Elira with the "There's no game" stream. I forgot about her, until halfway of last year. Now I'm not following her anymore. I'm a Phantomo since day 1, but might try to drop her; the issue is she speak Spanish as I. Nina might be the only one I could follow, but I'm not sure to lie myself with her. Nowadays, I'm starting to watch Phase Connect, and getting more comfortable with Airi.

>>45109203
It's a schizo who holds her responsible for the dissolution of Cyberlive.

>>45088774
Isn't the girl on the left a literal Nazi? Why does youtube tolerate this?

>>45116171
Panko manko

>>45116948
connect

>>45117175
Elira is one of those people who pretends to be chill but is actually a cunt.

>>45115754
Nene said she loves me (In her "I love you" endurance) so I guess that's a start

>>45094682
Wow it's almost as if most of Holo EN right now doesn't have a streaming setup that's powerful enough to play that game in the first place because they're over in fucking Japan or god forbid, weren't terribly interested in the game to start with separate from all this shit in the first place.

>>45118977
They fear she'll start WW3 if they hinder her in her artistic endeavors.

>>45095165
So basically what you're saying is Hololive is shit at defending their talents?
>>45095170
Funny to think about. But i would prefer a timeline where Twitter freaks weren't so sensitive and crazy.

>>45096202
>Deleted posts
What did Anon post?

>>45105202
Omega did a stream himself on time didn't he?
Does his voice sound any similar to Altare?

>>45116171
>It's Broomin Time
Cringe memes aside this is based.

>>45091694
Such beautiful Irony.

>>45119757
Oh shut up. Bae herself was clearly setting up a Hogwarts Legacy stream until she got silenced.

>>45118977
You know what happens to youtube has if pink rabbit goes away?

>SHE FELL BELOW PIPA CUZ EDUCATE YOURSELF!
She massacred herself with the Valoguard situation.

>>45121280
It was the gacha spam that did it for me.

>>45116171
PANGO MANGO :DDDDDD

>>45096202
big if true

>>45121280
Actually Pippa got the rise from Hogwarts.

>>45089077
Jesus Christ WTF? Is she just bottom of the barrel in NijiEN or is everyone in that branch can't reach 4digits?

Happy for Pippa, she deserves success because she is actually entertaining. Always a bit concerned for her mental though because she has a rough time with the highs, there will be a time when there will eventually be lows.

>>45090505
>>45092219
What did Elira do?

>>45122032
Pippa has been above her for quite a while now - long before Hogwarts.

>>45099711
>being this ESL

>>45118977
Why do you leftist always self project, no seriously, why do you always do that?

>>45122263
Oh shit i take that back the fish is fucked.

>>45122445
>the fish is fucked
When one fish gets fucked, another prospers.

>>45094790
>You will NEVER get bread gf

>>45111630
To the retards saying that it's not a wedding ring, so no parasocialism there, how do you justify the image?

>>45118977
Don't you have a horse to fuck, you pedo?

>>45088774
I unironically blame Finana's manager. It's clear as day that she needs direction because she's too dumb to come up with something on her own (and I say this as someone who likes Finana a lot). They should have told her to stop with the gacha spam, and stop trying so hard to be a gamer anyway. Finana is a very girly girl (when asked about her interests she mentioned fashion, makeup and such) why not encourage her to do more comfy zatsus, more handcam streams, more ASMR and so on.

Unfortunately, NijiEN management either sucks or doesn't exist.

>>45122592
Shitting on "parasocialism" is such a fucking retarded thing to do when you're a fucking chuuba.
If people feel "parasocial" towards people like alex fucking jones, josh moon, Destiny, and RLM , then it should be NO surprise that they could feel the same for a woman larping as an anime girl.

>>45088774
Finana is getting her just desserts, she legitimately dug her own grave while Pippa despite being controversial is “based” and doesn’t run off with Asian groomers

>>45122185
Like half of NijiEN are 3 views now, they are bleeding like crazy

>>45122828
I watched Finana at the start, she seems to be a GAMER on her own volition.

>>45122868
Also pippa, lover her or hate her, does a really good job at understanding and not pissing off her own audience.

>>45089323
Former Ryuguard here, I did switch to watching the smaller corps plus Twitch vtubers

>>45122926
Well maybe but she's going about it the worst way possible. Half of her remaining followers are only there because they're waiting for more ASMR. I'm just suggesting she leans into her strong points.

>>45090597
Holy based

>>45122585
but... panko gave me kisses... it wasn't real?

>>45093484
You deserve better anon, get out while you still can

>>45123037
Yeah I get what you mean, Finana appears to struggle with lack of direction (among other things).
I guess it wouldn't hurt if she relegated herself to the asmr ghetto, it's not like gamer bros are going to watch all the gacha stuff she puts out.

>>45094081
Kek you really thought she gonna stick with the racing shit? I called it that she would drop it, just like everything that isn’t Asian gacha.

>>45122592
you can shit on people and still milk them for money

>>45095501
No this is 100% real, Finana is living with mommy and daddy though so she can afford to make nothing

>>45094081
I hope she actually finishes Nier.

>>45095753
Those are all from the beginning before she decided to sink her career into the toilet

>>45095419
Some times shit om guys or tannins from time to time, but those get the vod taken down or taken out

>>45101086
Pippa said it does, which is why I unsubbed

>>45106770
Only a matter of time until she becomes nyanners

>>45115601
NijiJP fans really don’t like her or just don’t care

>>45123580
If anything I gotta respect the grift of discarding her problematic audience once she gets big enough.

>>45122973
She literally shit on her audience during the last duck stream

>>45123580
>>45123675
>>45123767
ok henri

>>45116867
Probably not

>>45122926
She isn’t a gamer at all, she’s the female e girl “Gamer” that just uses it for attention

>>45122828
That won't help her. She killed all her chances with her special discord

>>45123297
I don’t understand why she just doesn’t go full coomer. Stream ear licking on twitch and she’ll probably turn back into 4view.

>>45122926
>>>>>>>>>>>>>gamer
>with the retarded way she holds a mouse
She's not a real gamer and never will be

>>45123831
>e girl “Gamer” that just uses it for attention
Anon we are on the vtuber board, half of them are like that if not more.

>>45122973
To be fair, she's cultivated the easiest audience possible. Even if they're crass and are extremely scrutinised, the 4chan/centrist rightoid/edgy dank memes audience is loyal to a fault, they'll only abandon a content creator if he explicitly tells them to fuck off or comes out pro child rape.
The twitter/progressive/troon audience will cancel, attack, and abandon you at a moment's notice for no reason just to fulfill the quota of drama and cancellations. They do eat their own.

>>45123920
I’ve seen some Jap vtubers that are actual gamers, but you are right, most western female vtubers are like that.

>>45123110
All to me.
>>45123445
Yes, I know that she's thinking of money. But how do THEY justify it.
>>45123580
>>45123675
>>45123767
Henri, unironically kill yourself already, give your parents some happiness.

You love to see it

>>45122185
He's shitposting retard.

>>45104967
>Griftkin Pippa
Griftin' Grifta

>queen of /vt/ is the Asmongold of vtubing
Was /jp/ right all along?

>>45124167
>>45123788
Henry is an sjw, please take your boogeyman pills

>>45124317
>queen of /vt/
who
>Asmongold
who
>/jp/
who

>>45123767
Not even true. Watch streams.

>>45122883
>muh decline

I see Niji revenue report caused a lot of butthurt.

Who's Henry?

>>45124466
henri deez nuts lmao

>>45123960
>4chan/centrist rightoid/edgy dank memes audience is loyal to a fault
very very true. all this controversy has made the capipis even more loyal than they were before. plus her audience has only been growing.

>>45124466
It's "Henri".
An actual unironic schizophrenic man from SEA. He's Pippa's biggest autist turned anti. He used to flood the catalogue and spam her on here. Now he spams anti threads.

>>45124502
This phenomenon is called "simping"

>>45093916
Then there will be corpos once again after that with more knowledge and financial power

>>45105305
Truly worldwide

>>45124346
Idk who this Henri dude is but why do all pippafags think that he's responsible for disliking her? She's a grifter who created an audience with a collective IQ in the room temperatures. How did one single dude become their Boogeyman

>>45094731
Lots of yabs, like a new one every week

>>45124685
>simping
this word has lost all its meaning.

>>45124924
>grifter
So true sister

Honestly I do think Pippa one of these days will have to worry about the same shit everyone who appealed to 4chan did.
It'll be kinda funny this time because it'll be well deserved.

>>45124924
>not henri BUT
ogay henri

>>45125013
>>45123675
>the eternal 2 more weeks poster

>>45124739
Yes, there will be a dark age in the far future, but that's no reason to stop enjoying the upcoming golden age.

>>45125000
Yes. Luring rightwing reactionaries to donate to her by pretending to be something she's not is grifting. Like it or hate it her audience spamming shit like "oy vey!" Whenever she goes on conspiracy tangents should tell you what kinda audience she has

>>45125013
People call me a schizo for saying as much, just watch tho. It'll happen

>>45125013
>>45125092
>Honestly I do think Pippa one of these days will have to worry about the same shit everyone who appealed to 4chan did.
Be specific. So far Pippa's had to "deal" with everything that comes with having an edgier audience and she's handled it like a fucking pro.
Watch streams or fuck off.

>>45125077
>I ignore history and never learn from it

>>45125091
>pretending to be something she's not
Do you have proof of this, or are you just a delusional retard?

>>45125077
I'm just saying it happened to nyanners, happened to Ken, happened to everyone else who made 4chan their main audience. She'll either tell them to fuck off and be the target of harassment campaigns for years to come or she'll embrace them and eventually they'll get out control and she'll fade into irrelevancy. Just like everyone else

>>45125124
>T-TWO MORE WEEKS T-TRUST ME
Roru

>>45124924
Lots of lore about him at this point his like Ethan Ralph, he had been given a second chance by pippa, has a anti discord with others and makes about 60-80 threads, jacked off to a pic of pippas dog feet, is from sea but he's not the worst

>>45124685
She would have to do something wrong for it to be simping.

>>45125147
Yes even without getting into shit revealed by the same people she spent a year + , you can find shit like her defending trannies and shit while trying to pretend like she's an edgy rightwinger who tells "I CAN'T BREATHE" jokes and shares memes about how the Jews are taking over the world.

She's not at all the person she tries to pose as

>>45125092
Canceling Pippa seems like a great way to end up on a hit list.

>>45125183
Pippa is not Nyanners. Pippa is not Ken.
Unlike most, pippa has addressed a lot of this while being completely clear with her audience about her stances on things. She's EXPLICITLY said she isn't fucking "racist, transphobic, etc" she just finds those types of jokes funny due to her being a piink anime rabbit. She's also addressed these things WITHOUT telling her core audience to "fuck off"
Pippa knows what she's doing and has been clear for a long time now.
>>45125310
>INANE SCHIZOBABBLE
lmao. You can find edgy jokes funny without it being a fucking political statement. You DO know this, don't you retard-chama?

>>45125310
>you aren't allowed to find things funny unless you are aligned to the ideology I ascribe to those things
Take your meds.

>>45120684
Either doxx to prove his point or something that overly shits on trannies

>>45125107
>>45123580
Is that specific enough for you?

>>45095170
>>45120637
Imagine a timeline where trannies don't exist in the first place.
>captcha: WMYN

>>45125511
Nope. That comment is from someone who never ONCE watched pippa. It's from a tourist who wanted pippa to go full TTD. Try again, retard.

>>45108779
This and she leans more towards 4chan, while niji leans more to Twitter and had a commie stream(supposedly) which would work alright if they streamed on twitch

>>45125591
>don't equate me to a Twitter Troon pls
>I want Pippa to go full ttd
Go back to school

>>45099192
Even the fish is following

>>45125420
Nyanners wasn't that way either at her peak, neither was Ken. Yet they both ended up that way. Appealing to the crowd she does never works out in the long run and stop acting like it's just jokes when she tells her coworkers to visit the same site that doxed her and other vtubers as well. She pretends to be right-wing for views and you know it

>>45125779
Kill yourself illiterate SEAnigger. The retard didn't even read her notice. It was refering specifically to the /pol/nigger tourists flooding in using her as a vehicle to shit on trannies.
Come up with whatever anti cope you want, you'll always be wrong.
Watch streams or fuck off.

>>45125375
least delusion pippanigger

>>45124346
Henri is literally whatever he thinks will help him. He's a reactionary neocatholic today, a socialist tomorrow.
>>45125310
>Defending trannies and niggers
You realise that there's a common sense position between TND and Black worship, right? Same as between TTD and "cut off children's penises"
>>45125827
We know why, now that PC is a genshin focused company.

>>45125932
>She pretends to be right-wing for views and you know it
No she fucking doesn't you stupid fucking ape. You're objectively fucking wrong. You've never watched her and are just parroting retarded garbage you hear from others because you're too stupid to do 5 minutes of research.
She's said numerous times that she isn't political and just likes to laugh at shit without it being a political statement.

>>45125932
She's more like a libertarian than anything

>>45126089
>i-its just common sense she doesn't actually believe those things!
>s-shes secretly redpilled and based!!!
just accept that's she's a grifter

she's been appealing to kiwifarms, an unironic TTD site run by a fat incel white supremacist. What kind of audience was she expecting to get?

>>45126192
Libertarians are rightwingers who just want to smoke weed. She's got a history of being leftwing but pretends to be right because it's a grift

>>45126204
>>45126247
>more anti cope with no proof provided
every single time lmao

>>45126217
n-no you don't understand it's all just jokes anon! She totally doesn't have an audience of gullible right wingers! Her audience is totally an organic vtubing one which is why they won't watch anyone else in her org aside from the only other person who occasionally makes rightwing comments

>>45126247
Go to /pol/ and ask them whether Libertarians are right-wing.

>>45120813
She's a Italian probably a zoomer, and don't forget how they call the female politician lead who likes anime a fascist

>>45126334
>Implying /pol/tards have any sort of logic behind their beliefs and can stop arguing about conspiracy theories long enough to set aside any differences
You might as well ask chimpanzees what they think of Pippa

>>45125932
>Appealing to the crowd she does never works out in the long run
It's literally the only crowd with long term potential. The gamer crowd eventually grows out of it, the progressives/trannies inevitably turn on you, while the edgy centrist/dankmemes crowd will stay with you and defend you forever unless you explicitly tell them to fuck off.
Look at Shoe, who is the best example of this.

>>45120894
If she actually got silenced, I doubt her manager would have let her doing the "Practicing Harry Potter Spell" stream in the first place. It's possible she saw what was happening to vtubers in the West who played the game and decided it wasn't worth the potential hassle, but I assume you play basketball because that was some reach you managed going for that layup.

>>45126286
She literally spent over a Year sucking Jims dick and praising kiwifarms up until they doxed her like they did every other Vtuber they disliked

>>45122552
Kek, i hope someone puts this with a fmab background

>>45126399
Libertarianism is an off-shoot of Whig Liberalism. It is not a right-wing ideology.

>>45123364
Nope, just thought she'd at least stick long enough to somewhat cover the Ryuguards that left.

Then again she probably would've lost them when she went terminal gacha mode until 2 weeks ago.

>>45126404
A counter example would be Milo or even Alex Jones who both had the right turn on them. No matter which side of the fence you may sit on there is always the potential to be backstabbed by the same people who once found you based.
Every YouTuber that ever appealed to 4chan found themselves backstabbed by people they once thought were their friends. It may not happen today, may not happen tomorrow but I can promise you that it will happen to Pippa eventually

Posted this out of frustration due to everyone saying she's on/against their side:
https://twitter.com/pipkinpippa/status/1585886043953598464

Posted this because everyone was using her as a reason to be retards:
https://twitter.com/pipkinpippa/status/1632536642815705088

Doesn't want to be categorized, just wants to have fun:
https://www.reddit.com/r/chuubas/comments/vfn83v/ama/icx7efr/?context=3

Pippa likes the "free unfiltered" side of the internet:
https://www.reddit.com/r/chuubas/comments/vfn83v/ama/icx36sv/?context=3

Finds politcal activism "annoying":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhzu1Po4ZTA

doesn't want to be known as the "based chuuba":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1676&v=GZ7NCSTQavg&feature=youtu.be

Enjoys edginess and doesn't find it "political", just wants to laugh at shit:
https://youtu.be/MuB2wuBtp2Y?t=7019

Let the anti cope begin.

>>45126399
>>45126506
It should also be noted that the goals of Marxism and Libertarianism are essentially the same: the liberation of the individual from essential identity and its various bonds and relations.
The only thing they disagree about is the means to get there. Marxists believe this state, which they call Communism, is achieved through equalisation of the material conditions, while Libertarians believe the non-aggression principle in combination with freedom of contract and freedom of association suffices to achieve an optimum of individual freedom.

>>45126318
Whoa! Where did Komachi Panko, the red panda vtuber of phase connect Italy come from?

>>45126653
Holy based

>>45126699
she jumped up there from down here

>>45126653
b-b-b-b-but she's just saying that to cover her bases.... she's a grifter... right sisters...

>>45125078
Based enjoyer

>>45126435
That was Ralph and his fans after she talked about how he got his manpurse stolen and pucned after how he bragged about going there(the first time, not his second attempt)

>>45126684

>>45126435
if you actually use the farms, you'd know that they're pretty warm towards her.