/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>45065404
What the fuck is going on there?

>>45065404
There will be a mass graduation in Id. They have been fucked over for too long by Niji and will tank the stock even further beyond!

>>45065404
Of course a holobrony with no values would leak a members content. You should be ashamed of yourself and delete this thread as an action of repentance

How did Hololive do so phenomenally in ID while Niji did so poorly? Not even trying to shit on Niji really the difference is just so staggering that it seems strange.

If she's sharing important shit like "We're all going to graduate" why would she ever trust members to keep it to themselves

>>45065586
>How did Hololive do so phenomenally in ID while Niji did so poorly
same way they did with EN an JP which is prioritizing quality over quantity

>>45065588
>Membered to some random NijiID
>Holobroni
Are you programmed to call everything a falseflag?

>>45065586
Hololive actually promotes their lower performing talents. Once livers in Niji start underperforming they are pretty much left to die.

>>45065586
>>45065671
PLus ''Hey Moona!!!''

>>45065724
That's one of the bigger things right there. HoloID was treated as part of Hololive. NijiID is treated as some stepchild branch that Niji hopes just goes away on their own.

>>45065588
>holobrony
>membering to nijis
come on now

>>45065588
Lol, I membered to Zea

>>45065721
Yeah I believe this. It seems to me that holo is more of a group while niji (past lazusydia) is more a collection of individual streamers.

>>45065586
Nijisanji was the dominant JP company in 2018/2019 (Hololive had more crossovers) and the ID branches were just "standard" in both. Pandemic buff+western fags got more into vtubers in 2020 which increased clippers actually doing their job and most famously, ID+JP collabs in Hololive helped more, as no one was actively clipping Nijisanji if you didn't know JP or ID, since there was no EN branch to introduce more to Nijisanji, thus less money for clippers.

>>45065858
Aren't nijiKR and nijiID part of nijisanji now?

>>45066176
Exactly. They're not even branches. They're just fodder tossed to the bottom of the pile.

>>45065586
Blame Hana she had the perfect chance to make ID big but she's a menhera and blew literally every chance she had

>>45065404
>lots of bad hits
Wew lad.

>>45065586
Niji is just so good at wasting potentials that its not even funny
Hell they had one of the best assist anyone could hope for which was a getting a spotlight from pewdiepie but they fumbled it
and it happened again with xqc

when this happens, you think they'll tell the truth about how they've been left to rot and that's why they're graduating?

The truth will prevail. The ugly underbelly of the corporation will be exposed soon.

>>45065586
Disregard what everyone else said. It's not about pushing and promoting your talents or whatever. Nijisanji's hiring process has always been ass, probably worse than running a lottery. The other branches got lucky good hires but ID didn't get a single good talent. Hana became some sort of breakaway because she became proto EN, but couldn't live up to the role. The rest never even stood a chance.

>>45066827
>Nijisanji's hiring process has always been ass
Is this somehow related to the nepotism i keep hearing about?

>>45066562
they already said that theyve been left to rot considering their fanmail apparently gets tossed in the garbage bin

>>45066949
>their fanmail apparently gets tossed in the garbage bin
What??

>>45065404
I actually do like Zea and it will be a shame to have her go. Sad.

>>45066176
They just did that to fire both companies management without backlash. JP management pretty much fucking ignores ID and KR now. They might as well have no management.
Funny enough KR management was usurped by one of the KR members and this is why they ended up "merging" the branches instead of hiring new management. So there might be some truth to Enna's clique controlling EN management since it happened once before.

>>45065586
Because Niji ID, despite being dominant before Holo ID blew up, had no ambition. They were just part time streamers who catered to some bumfuck region of Indonesia instead of going for mass appeal. There's also the rrats that most of the people hired for Niji ID were just friends of Niji ID staff since they were all in the Indonesian anime/con scene.

>>45065404
holoid 4

>>45067029
one of the exid liver told his fans not to send fanmail anymore after finding out that anycolor just apparently throws them away instead of giving it to them

>>45065647
>I’m not surprised, just disappointed
Sounds like she had a menhera moment (understandable, since she just found out everyone in the branch is graduating), needed to vent, realized the mistake afterwards, and confided to her members that she should have anticipated it and feels bad.
Fuck it, I’m sure she wrote that knowing there was a good chance it would get posted /here/

>>45066311
Hana's dumbass likely has massive imposter syndrome and shot herself in the foot too many times to count and fucked everyone to the left and right of her. Damn shame too since there's a handful of NijiID that are decent streamers.

>>45065478
The company is purging non-compliant and weak performers then siccing their chinese tranny army on them.

>>45065586
niji couldnt give two fucks if you fall into a 3 view

>>45065404
Why do retarded livers continue to treat membership as private things exclusively between them and their fans?
It costs literally 5$ for any anti or /vt/ dramafag that wants to stir the pot, to have access to this content. If any of you retard chuuba read this: membership content is still public information

>>45066176
They merged with JP back in April last year which is funny because that was less than a month after Kobo's debut.

>>45065586
Nijisanji is a black company.

Not a black company though.

>>45067221
Well, yeah. If your company had a bunch of employees in another country who weren’t making you any money, that you want gone, and that you’d receive no backlash for since they’re obscure, you’d be lazy and not spend money on handling their mail too, right?
Wait, you wouldn’t? What are you, someone with a conscience?

>>45067279
Back in mid 2020 Hana had vent streams (unarchived of course) where she talked about how she felt like she didn't really have any real friends in the ID branch. I imagine that this shit is eating her up now since the failure of the branch is partially her fault and Anycolor doesn't seem to want to honor her 3D debut without her fronting all the costs.

>>45067330
>>45067352
which one is it?

>>45067493
both are correct
nijiid went beyond being a black company

>>45067191
>There's also the rrats that most of the people hired for Niji ID were just friends of Niji ID staff since they were all in the Indonesian anime/con scene.
This is literally true for HoloID as well

>>45067168
>Funny enough KR management was usurped by one of the KR members and this is why they ended up "merging" the branches instead of hiring new management.
I heard KR's management wasn't the greatest. Are there any sources on that?

>>45067493
NijiID was a black company that's why nijisanji disbanded it, so they can go clean under nijisanji jp banner. The same will happen to EN

>>45066827
Bobon?

>>45067594
you could do archive reps
KR management was the proto wactor without the major fallout

>>45067455
Lmao. She felt like she didn’t have any real friends yet she still decided to hold that 3D for her failure branchmates. It sucks making stupid decisions and feeling those same decisions years later. I do kinda feel for her there. She was an idiot and squandered her popularity and whatever influence she had at the time. Bummer

>>45066827
>Nijisanji's hiring process has always been ass
Literally the same process as Cover and every other Japanese company. The ONLY exception with Hololive is they focus more on music. That's it. This is why HoloX threw people for a loop because they had no auditions for it, it was hold overs from the previous generation.
>It's not about pushing and promoting your talents or whatever
This is because Nijisanji was predominantly Japanese from 2017/2018 - 2020. Of course EOP would know 0 about them. They were advertised perfectly fine in Japan, there's a lot of talents who people never heard of because they never gotten picked up by clippers. When you join corp vtubing you're expected to also make a name for yourself, you can't be carried by brand alone or else we run into:
>"Lol le waste of slot"

>>45067640
Bobon was on the low end until Selen and the others came around and really started to pump him up. Only for him to go on hiatus's due to family and health issues.

>>45067861
Was that around the time they had that Apex tournament and the guy was dying of kidney stones? Sometimes it felt like EN more or less abandoned ID once Luxiem got on board.

>>45067729
>Literally the same process as Cover
Not really considering niji is more throw something until it sticks approach without any disregard for quality control

>>45067455
Because the original NijiID was a nepo-clique of a bunch of ID cosplayers, which explains why they were mostly shitters with 1 or 2 exceptions - they were never actually good streamers.

Hana blows up and she has a chance to make it big, so of course the shitter clique turns on her. Hana isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the shed, so she turns down the opportunity to appease the shitter clique. This backfires hard on the branch, so now the shitter clique dislikes her even more for not handing them the success they're 'owed'. Cue the present.

Sigh... Here we go again..

As a Unironic Niji- no. As an Ex- NijiENfag who's currently trying to get into Hololive, I Don't feel bad for them at all. Starting from the whole cosplay circle nepotism thing, (search zhuge kamiya on kikebook) the root of "Niji Family" Bullshit, (in Hindsight they not as bad as NijiEN because atleast nobody is trying to kneecap their coworkers there.) not to mention, "Uhh no. i'm already comfortable with my position rn" mentality that they have, like dude. you are working in a corporation and the point of the corporation is to make money.

>>45068060
Yea, it was around that time. I could be wrong but he was also having issues with his mom being in the hospital before that (I think) and screen issues with his pc. I could be misremembering all of this though. You're right as soon as EN boys came in the other branches like KR and ID sunk and got disbanded.

>>45065404
wow, OP, sounds like you're a ginormous faggot that wants chuubas to stop utilizing memberships to get more personal with their audience.

>>45068060
>Sometimes it felt like EN more or less abandoned ID once Luxiem got on board.
In fairness, some of ID just seems too insular for their own good. You can't exactly help them if they don't want to be help.
Look at KR, they put in the effort. Seffyna is more popular now than at the start.

>>45065404
>is disappointed in members sharing info
>retard shares info and pretends to care about her
Yeah this is /vt/ alright

>>45068450
A bunch of Deadsubs maybe.

>>45068487
>Khyo is a dramafag and I will always side against dramafags
>entire catalog is dramafags all the time
WDTMBT

Hana deserves anything that happened to her for openly inviting her bf on streams.
>it was her dad
Lmao

>>45068646
>Moderately young sounding guy praising socialism
>Hana gets upset if chat calls him dad
How the hell did we fall for that nonsense?

>>45068823
In my defense, his taste in videogames was boomer.

>>45065586
Probably shouldn't have hired trannies for ID then.
Indogs know Hana is part of the pronoun gang using he/him.

>>45067530
They're a vantablack company, you end up in a seriously worse position than when you joined and you're basically ruined.

>>45068823
Was that rrat even proven? I mean I had suspicions but that was the furthest it ever went for me

>>45065404
rrats on who is confirmed to be graduating? I guess Mika will hold onto her niji career with all the force she has.

>>45065404
>Lots of bad internal news
What the fuck is going on

>>45069282
No, but it makes sense. Right?

>>45067221
That's extremely fucking sad to read. If I was a talent, I would be devastated to hear from corporate that they're just throwing heartfelt fan mail from my fans in the company incinerator, just because they don't feel like dealing with it.

>>45069492
>rrats on who is confirmed to be graduating?
all of them bar mika and probably hana

>>45069492
Unironically Hana. She already has a new roommate channel and is now a tranny…..no I’m not joking.
https://www.youtube.com/live/D2NvXOnB_k8?feature=share

>>45069652
They don't even open it send pics of it? That's completely fucked.

>>45069677
>is now a tranny
That does explain a lot of the self sabotage

>>45069677
grim

>>45067301
That's before you even consider gifted memberships are a thing.

>>45066949
>>45067221
This is outrageous.

>>45069677
>other acc is @anyaadayo
wait, she has two VTuber accounts on the side?

>>45069677
I'll pray she recognizes the demons that got hold over her and rebukes them.

>>45067221
Anycolor is such a fucking clusterfuck holy shit

>>45070013
Apparently so.

>>45070013
probably safer to have multiple since niji is strict on doing side gigs and would probably tell them to delete it if found

>>45065586
idfags here, nijiid debuted when vtubers were just a small niche community outside of JP, id people barely knows/care about them. They barely do a promotion here despite most of them are only speaking indo except Hana. Hana was fairly popular as the english speaking chuuba back then also got the Mick Gordon buff. She could've used that opportunity to go big but she's a menhera also as time goes more english chuuba appears and EOP are moving from her.
After that HoloID debuted, with only 3 members they got a great start to form a fanbase and less than a month 3 of them already beat 3 WAVES of niji. Local anime community was hyped by holoid, almost all big kikebook groups and news outlet are talking about them. Holoid also got popular due to english buffs and their interaction with main branch (holoen wasn't a thing yet) meanwhile niji barely do that, more than half of them can't even speak japanese. Also niji management was fucked up at that time with the india branch, they turned em into "niji en" and nijiid somehow being main support to promote them (before they got changed into india again and got axed). Nijiid latest attempts to get id popularity is by hiring local artists as illustrators for the latest wave, all of them are local popular webcomic illustrators. Still no improvement and they finally got axed alongside KR. Overall, holo recruiters struck gold with gen 1,if they messed up that time I'm not sure if id3 even exists

>>45069677
Hana is still too weird to tell. Its equally as likely that she soft retires from Nijisanji, but does a stream every once in a while and takes money from memberships.

>>45070013
oni cunny is way too good of a model to belong to a pronouns person...

>>45067221
Is there a source for this?
If it's true, then Niji really is a black company

>>45070237
Reza on Twitter

>>45069677
>>45070013
https://twitter.com/anyaadayo/status/1618191653076099077
what did she mean by this...

>>45070237
https://twitter.com/RezaAvanluna/status/1619945626413977601
they recieved fanmail in the past but they are unsure of the process now
https://twitter.com/ZEA_Cornelia/status/1620003793692954625

>>45070457
I really want to know what goes on behind the scenes at NijiID. I dont doubt that it sucks at this point and the JP HQ just wants to force most of the talents out, but its not a major day-job either.

>>45070141 (me)
also niji id is in sad state, after the whole management shift. They barely do something big and now will never again. They don't even have OFFICIAL MERCH for birthday now and instead their fan circles making their own fanmerch and sell it to others....
I used to watch them cuz i was a poor saviorfag but not anymore, i don't wanna feel bad. Even local 2view indies has better condition than them

>>45069646
Who's this? I want to hear her whole spiel.

>>45070760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTc-ydO0Bro&t=14s

Anti social neet for Sugar Lyrics under 774inc. She's really...well...strange.

>>45070507
Okay yeah they're a black company

>>45067384
NTA, based take, anon, you're exactly correct

>>45065912
You needed to be around in the early years of Hololive. Subscriber milestones were regularly posted by official channels, each one also contained one or multiple holos that lagged behind in growth for a specified amount of time. They would ask fans to support them which of course saw a boost in their subs. Used to be called the cuckbox as a joke.

Some didn't like how it shamed the girls but it brought the spotlight on them rather than just leaving them for dead like Niji ID here.

>>45071581
I want to go back to those days...

>>45069716
To be honest i would rather be left in the dark about that, i would just take it as a "here's some pics of the fanmail you will never receive because it's going into the trash hehe"

>>45065586
Yeaa wonderr why, oh wait
>Gatekeep hard
>Their fans are ghosting and tribalistic as fuck
>Niji id fans trying to cancel moona with the "heresy" remark even though nijiID also do the same
>M-muh nijiID is the real ID
>Talent refuse to collab with other branch or out of the box
Really make you think huh

>>45071830
They should've gatekept smart, not gatekept hard.

>>45071830
The heresy remark? Sounds bizarre

>>45071581
I wasn't only talking about the numbers. But I believe holofest was the big thing making hololive feel like a group.
Everyone got to perform and got merchandise.
In niji it feels like you're second grade citizen unless you're a top earner.
That's why I sometimes refer to niji livers as freelancers tether than employees

Good

>>45071830
>Talent refuse to collab with other branch or out of the box
nothing wrong with that. it worked for hololive.

>>45072181
The one month no collab period is well understood to give the talents time to establish their characters and it also "protects" them from getting their debut buff stolen by other collabs.

From what I know, after one month you can collab with whomever

>>45065404
>talent calls out members leaking stream info
>some retard proceeds to do it again but with a members post
nijiIDfags do not think

>>45069677
Deleted, why?

>>45072402
POPULAR DEMAND

>>45065478
Nijisanji has been anti ID and KR for a while now. The cancellation of any support for future and current waves and them getting their 3Ds cancelled should've given you the hint

>>45065404
What's the info?

>>45072456
Are you are talking about tempus? They cheated the system by making gen 1 and two the "same" gen.

>>45072455
It counts as doxx on this board until she actually graduates

>>45072181
Not HoloID. ID doesn’t have the kind of box that EN has. Also, HoloEN debuted to much bigger numbers than they expected, so the box was meant to keep all those fans from being exposed to other vtubers.
When your branch is dominating, you want to keep fans from watching other corpos. When your branch isn’t, you want to collab (or leech, depending on how you interpret it) to get yourself out there.
No corpo in ID was ever at the kind of position Myth was right after debut. That’s why a strategy like the holobox (or anything else) only works some of the time.

go back to your containment indofags >>/warkop/

>>45070507
anon bringing the sources, based, Nijisanji is a black company - fuck this company.

>>45073314
They where a blacker company in the past. Some of their livers formed a resistance against management

>>45070691
jesus fucking what, that's terrible... :(

>>45067221
Jesus H Christ on a cross if this is true then put this covered in neon lights front and center on the great pasta ever al dente of Niji yabs.

>>45072524
Hana's 3D only got "delayed" because apparently she had a sudden burst of menhera and wanted "male features" on her 3D model which management rejected. She really is the downfall of the branch.

>>45065586
NijiID males are cringe.
Good thing cover didn't go the StarsID route.

>>45067455
>>45067279
>>45066311
Imagine the alternate timeline where it was Mika and not Hana who was the face of NijiID back then and how things would be different.

>>45073578
>"male features"
Like reverse babi?
Ministry?
also, source?

>>45073389
that sounds so outrageous but NijiJP was so huge, I can believe that scenario. God, corpos are all a mistake. If you have sources somewhere, do drop em

>>45073700
You can check the archives. An IDfag visited /nijien/ and leaked the membership stream a bit where she talked about it as well as a sound clip of it, she was crying that they couldn't do it for her.

>>45073621
*yet
you know it's happening, after ID3's success and tempus outperforming starsJP.

>>45070507
https://twitter.com/Yohan_BKL/status/1620179498007412749
Kek even his fans told him to graduate. Absolute fucking state of ex niji id

>>45065404
Not that any of you actually even care but this screenshot isn’t real btw

>>45073770
Where do you think Aqua got the idea of doing the "Hololive resistance" RP in Minecraft from?

>>45073862
They should graduate anyway

>>45073862
I'm not a member, how would I know either way?

>>45073862
Noor, you can't save the company's face on this board, Nijisanji is a black company

>>45074175
>Nijisanji is a black company
Just like hololive. So what's the problem?

>>45067530
>>45067635
>>45069040
what the hell are you anons talking about, do you fags even know what a black company is or are you just saying all companys as black companys.
>>45068088
anons dont make up shit, while yes theres a clique, hana is part of it because shes close friends with at least half of the clique in question, she was never shamed by them, she was embraced by them and thats why she didnt want to outshine them.
she shamed herself if anything and felt like an outsider because she was one in multiple ways, being new to streaming, being a hafu, not being indonesian, getting popular while her fellow livers werent, her dad bringing in viewers and new friends with the others who knew eachother before.
>>45073700
anon made it up with little to no actual backing context to it, the "thing" she referred to in question wasnt related to 3d as she said it wasnt to do with 3d and we dont know what the "thing" was because she kept it vague, it could literally be anything that needed managements permission.
anons have tranny on the brain so they made shit up to
fit their rrats because they have such a hard on for hating trannys.

>>45074443
Hi Niji intern, as if holo would ax the entire ID branch. Btw Kobos on a big billboard in Japan.

>>45074605
Axing seas would objectively make both companies less black

>>45065586
holoID didn't went "ID Pride" was latched to multitude of things
>Moona with pekora
>Gen2 speaking english
Just look who in nijiID got any decent big folllowing
>Hana for speaking english before nijiEN
>Mika and Bonnivier for collabing with nijiEN

Most indofags don't want to watch indo chuubas, Kobo was one in ten thousand exception

>>45074721
Please explain how cover treating 3 gems, the ID staff, and all the fans like garbage would make them less black.

>>45071581
damn imagine if you are a holo and you see your pic in the middle back then, even if you go all in on numbers don't matter it still stings

>>45074537
Thank you for your service in the Niji Defense Force

>>45070691
well, that hurts to read

>>45074537
Holy cope

>>45074831
Decreasing percentage of black people makes the company less black

>>45074778
>ID pride
>vtubers
It’s probably different now, especially with Kobo, but if your country is new to vtubers, the last thing you want to do is make your viewers think of their country Jfc. The only thing you change is the language. After a bunch of indies start copying the Twitch meta, THEN you can abandon the weebs.

>>45070691
That's not actually funny. That's just sad.

>>45074882
>>45074941
I'm nta but shit like this is dumb as fuck. Dude literally spoon fed you and you complain that oh no he's part of a defense force or some shit.
I won't say that there aren't any impending graduations I will say that ID has been fucked over for a long time, they were underperformers and once they got their branch merged quite frankly almost all of them hated that.
The ID branch has enough problems where you don't need to make up shit.

>>45074778
nijiID main problem was always that they were confortable in their "safe space".
they could have ridden the hana wave, but they didn't bother making effort to pander hard to the english audience, and hana self destructed after a while to not outpace them.
they could have followed the EN footsteps, and grown, like bobon, layla and mika (and seffyna) did.
when the merger came, those would could speak jp could have tried to do more and more jp stream, but outside of nara, they didn't.
Sure, the new management post merge wasn't probably supportive at all, but they also didn't do didly squat to improve or correct their situation.
But they didn't.

>>45074605
>ax
>when they are all still there
Moving them into the real Nijisanji was good for them. Sorry that HoloID will never be considered part of the REAL hololive.

>>45066012
boomer here, why doesn't niji (or holo) hire clippers? it's advertising right?

>>45075254
hana 3D status?

>>45070507
>>45067221
Jesus fucking christ.. i'd just graduate and burn all bridges if it was me. This shit is fucked up

>>45075443
I think Niji does.

>>45075254
Nigga really throwing nijien under the bus just to defend nijisanji, fucking kek

>>45075243
Some serious 4kids shit. I know Indos never went through 4kids dubs, but they should realize the appeal of weeb shit is that it’s exotic and foreign and cool. Why did they think this would appeal to Indonesians? People only start watching local vtubers because they don’t know Japanese, and fansubbers can’t be bothered to sub streams regularly the way they do with anime.

>>45075243
And see this post, is exactly right. There are a lot of problems with how ID managed themselves, even after the merger they made no efforts to actually improve upon their content or do anything to really sell themselves. Several of them are very talented people with the ability to do things like D&D campaigns, music, and in general are just funny people. My first exposure to vtubers was through Hana but literally there was no effort to grow or improve the numbers and in fact there's an effort to almost stay behind the curve because they enjoyed the family and clique feeling that they had with nijiID.
Sure, I fully admit that they should have had more merchandising that the fact that they're 3D is postponed indefinitely is disappointing to say the least, but there's zero effort to reach out for collabs, almost all of them speak English but preferred to speak Indonesian for majority of their stream, several of them treated EOPs like nuances, which I mean they kind of are, but still, and in general at least seffy from KR has made a genuine effort to produce her own stuff And despite not speaking English still tries to interact with the English community more than 90% of the ID did .

>>45075443
>why doesn't niji (or holo) hire clippers
Check the clip description on nijien official channel

>>45075254
>Moving them into the real Nijisanji was good for them
Proof?

>>45075520
I'm not sure but I think there have been people hired by Holo to do clips too haven't there?

>>45075615
Even HoloEN has run into problems as they’ve interacted less with HoloJP. I wonder if there was something about the Indonesian vtubing scene that made them think anything was different here.

>>45075700
I think so, but I'm drawing a blank

Respectfully most wouldn't be noticed if gone. Those that made the effort to get noticed like the ex-KR guys either went hard on the JP or EN side of things. Both markets with money and room to expand.

>>45075795
It's the other way around.

>>45070691
> They don't even have OFFICIAL MERCH for birthday now and instead their fan circles making their own fanmerch and sell it to others
Sound like the socialist utopia Hana wish for lol

>>45075239
He didn't say anything.

>>45075966
Small-scale private enterprise is socialism?

>>45065404
>post something online
>expects it to not get leaked
Your oshi is retarded anon

>>45075700
As far a I know, Cover themselves has never hired clippers to clip. They hired a few as translators

>>45075254
Niji Intern, you're pathetic

>>45076223
What about like, Kiara and kowkarot?

>>45076086
He literally did though, he brought up the fact that honestly Hana was part of the clique and that she literally never said anything about why her 3D was axed
She brought up the fact that it was canceled or at least she hinted very heavily that it was, but she literally never said anything as to why it was .
ID has been thrown under the bus practically buy any color and I won't defend them for that, but to make up bullshit when there is so much that you could talk about When it comes to reasons as to why it actually is going all wrong is stupid.

>>45075795
I honestly have no idea, I have no idea why they even started an Indonesian branch Don't give me wrong I like the members of ID but they hardly ever promoted the branch outside of ID, it was up to one English speaker to carry the branch heavily, and even nowadays they pretty much completely given up support for it .
I think that this might have changed if ID had shown any sort of desire to succeed outside of being the small family that they were .
It doesn't help that they literally released a new vtuber wave for ID almost constantly despite almost all of ID being like two view territory. There were a ton of problems with ID and the fact that they never bothered to solve any of them will forever bother me, but I won't deny that the talents themselves aren't at least a little bit responsible for it since none of them really seems to actually want to grow as a talent and just wanted to stay small and comfy while reaping the benefits of being in a corporation and that just doesn't work when your entire corporation is based upon getting bigger numbers.

Paywalling "information" is retarded because sharing it isn't even piracy, you automatically trust anyone with $5 with no other means or approval

Nijisanji deflection thre- oh fuck

>>45074537
anon I like Nijisanji too and all but if they’re really tossing out fan mail that’s pretty fucking bad

>>45076635
Because the guy in charge of foreign branches is a retarded parasite

>>45076374
Kiara hired a translator for a clip in Holotalk. Lyger is now a cover translator

>>45074443
lets be honest here, holo is just a normal company, with its fair share of bullshit and fuck ups.
however even with that shit, their chuubas arent being left in the dirt by management, they all get merch and have a salary, leaving me with the feeling the company and the talents have found a decent balance.
nijisanji is basically exploiting free labor if were really honest about it.
livers dont get paid unless they get donos, they only get merch if theyre EN or JP and if they dont do well management ignores them and doesnt do their jobs.
>>45074882
>>45076796
fuck nijisanji and anycolor, im not defending shitty companys.
im just clarifying info because a lot of rrats have formed and nijiID isnt big enough to have fans correct the rrats often.
>>45075443
niji did but i dont know how well it worked to be honest, youtubes algorithm favored holo clips more often then not i assume.
>>45075615
just under half of them do speak english most of the time, only switching to indo in relation to comments or when they feel more confident with using indo to get an idea across.
the whole "they only speak indo" thing has always been a thing people say they do but theyve almost always switched to english if chat is actively using english, with Xia being the only one who has stated shed like to only use indo.
outside of hana and mika; zea, bobon, hyona, derem, reza, layla, nara, azura and cia all speak english most of the time more or less.
honestly most people just hear indo and leave regardless of if they mostly spoke english or not.
>>45076470
correction anon, she didnt say it was cancelled, just that she doesnt know when itll happen but she did clarify the "thing" she was referring to not getting wasnt the 3d but something else that she didnt give enough hints to be able to assume what it was.

>>45076470
All of this was already known. He didn't say anything

What happened to hana macchia's dad?
I always loved to hear his voice when he chilled with her.

>>45076635
Indonesia is a pretty weeb country. Other JP companies already do business there so why not? You should be questioning why someone would open an Indian branch

>>45071581
Towa…

>>45077383
I think he means "I have no idea why they started an ID branch given how little they seem to care about their success"

>>45077530
Yes thank you I'm not the best at phrasing things but yeah.
>>45077339
One of the JPs got into a scandal and I heard a while back they were banned from having guests on streams that weren't vtubers or streamers

>>45077530
I answered that question. They thought Indonesia would give them success cheaply and they dropped them when they didn't.

>>45077339
he was moved to a farm upstate, living his best life with all his dad friends...
>>45077530
ID is one of japan's international test markets, they usually try stuff out there first before going to other bigger countries from what ive been told.

>>45077651
that's sad to be frank. He was really cool.

>>45077339
I think Niji forbid him to appear on her channel

>>45077339
dad...kek

This is what I found to be off about this.

>Chris gets terminated
>Cover puts out a small note and lets her live her life
>Aloe graduates
>Cover wishes her all the best and as a show of good will they even let her keep the 100,000 yen sound booth that she still uses
>Coco Graduates
>they essentially give her a state Funeral and have a massive celebration for her
>Rushia is terminated
>Cover releases a brief statement about the situation wishes her well she is back with a model a week later like nothing happened
>Sana graduates
>has a great send off with all of Council sending her off and she even does around meeting other members and it is a really wholesome moment

>Nijisanji graduation
>Talents shit on the company
>Talents throw people under the bus
>Talents don't even show up for their graduation

>Nijisanji termination
>Burn every bridge
>try to get talents black listed
>spread rrats


Pic related had the most giga chad graduation ever. She dunked on Nijisanji for never supporting KR and shit all over management in a 12 hour stream.

>>45078843
>Rushia is back a week later like nothing happened
I really wish that was the case

>>45079122
She was streaming like yesterday?

>>45078589
lay the rrat on me, anon. Do it. Don't pull any punches

>>45079157
Anon have you been living under a bridge or something for the past year? Rushia did like 4 suicide baits, got a model given to her, used it for like 2 months with periodic streams and only reincarnated after kson literally gave her a corporation to get into...her termination was ugly enough to where several people were convinced she was going to sue cover Corp for slander and harassment cuz she kept talking about big lawyers and cover even put out a statement about standing by what they said about her termination.
Terminations are literally never pretty

>>45065404
NijiID would have been better if it got merged or managed by EN rather than the main JP branch, right?

>>45068123
Now that's a name i didn't expect being spilled. I thought their nepo was utaite circle instead of cosplay circle. Maybe they intersect?

And looking at Miyu's reincarnation, xsmilia @ twitch and most of niji ID's roommate/alt accounts i can find so far, and one more roommate account of another smaller non-big3 corpo, i can still see they want to make something, so, as someone who used to support them so much before finally going out to seek other vtubers i lowkey agree with the tweet in >>45073858

Also, looking back at another historical turning points, one of DigiKagi's founder is an ex-management who used to be in NijiID back then, who resigned around the time before the merge, i remember something about how some of the talents in NijiID was hard to handle, they misbehave.
Now, DigiKagi is one of the top 3 in terms of Growth (sauce: vtuber.asia ) , and I'm sure it's because the pro-merge management in Nijisanji ID back then is just a bunch of people who didn't bother exploring other options for exposure (which now Hololive enjoys, thanks to the AmeAme Ray guy being mediashared to the point someone made AME:ID) and income (which now ID indies, ID smolcorpos, and even MAHA5 who's among the big3 corpo, go for: the mediashare meta)

All in all, Niji exID now have 3 options:
1a. go "leech" EN but be careful of the toxic cliques there recently.
1b. go "leech" JP (as how management wanted it from the merge). I'm not sure about the benefits or risks of it, i don't really follow JP.
3. graduate and free themselves from the restraints of corpo

>>45079394
I think the point is that Cover didn't do anything against Russia after they terminated her. Her misery is her own fault

>>45079394
That was all rushia being menhera, not cover treating her like garbage

>>45079508
>>45079553
You can't simultaneously claim she was back in a week like nothing happened while ignoring how blatantly false that statement is

>>45079696
The point is, cover said "go with god" and let her do her.

>>45079696
If she was a normal person, she could of been back the next day

>>45077225
>they only get merch if theyre EN or JP
And even then they still get fucked since the company merch cut is way bigger compared to holos and sometimes even 100%

>>45079798
I don't really think anycolor did anything outside of list reasons she was fired. Even as a former member/zaimon I can't blame the company for firing her, but that's not really here or there. This discussion was about id which has never had an official termination that I can remember and the last graduation id had was a very big event and very sad for a lot of people.

>>45080919
>I don't really think anycolor did anything outside of list reasons she was fired. Even as a former member/zaimon I can't blame the company for firing her
Yeah considering the company lies through their teeth in order to protect their image I dont really trust their reasons especially when other livers have done without any repercussions and im not talking about termination but rather suspensions

>>45068123
>Starting from the whole cosplay circle nepotism thing, (search zhuge kamiya on kikebook) the root of "Niji Family" Bullshit
Not really since Nijijp has been pushing the family image way before whoever that scapegoat your naming has

>>45079472
>thanks to the AmeAme Ray guy being mediashared to the point someone made AME:ID
you trying so hard to shill this one dude, the fuck is that related to holo growth

Its so funny how anon made this shit but this isn't EVEN real. Have none of you tried to join her membership to see if this is real? Its fucking not, so stop spreading this bullshit from my oshi

>>45065404
hana manchia el creature vented

>>45082034
Maybe, just maybe, because they actually listened when they were warned and didnt need to be suspended because of that...

>>45065404
She's right, you shouldn't share info of membership streams of ANY chubba outside the membership, otherwise, shit like this happens.

>>45082807
Exactly, not to mention she is ID which is infamous for creating fake leaks and shit

>>45082807
It's not real but the thing about there being a upcoming mass suicide of NijiID members is real

>>45065478
ID & KR were merged with the main branch due to low numbers (it seems IPO related), their staff fired etc.

>>45083683
Nope, it isn't. It was a mistranslation.

>>45068123
as a nijiJP fan I've thought that nijiEN was run terribly since the start in terms of talent management and PR, and it only went downhill faster after Luxiem with yabs happening weekly

>>45079472
>(which now Hololive enjoys, thanks to the AmeAme Ray guy being mediashared to the point someone made AME:ID)
Speaking of Ame I find it funny how Ame has now become popular in two countries by basically becoming a minor meme.

>>45065721
Not a fan of Niji, but when I see their talents as low 3 views, it pisses me off. Why isn't the company, teammates, or Nijifans helping them?
Don't want to hear any Nijifag complaining about Holo's brand.

Instead of shitting the board up go watch Hyona.

>>45076088
He's probably thinking of it as being black market, as the socialist paradise isn't going to make vtuber goods.

>>45065404
ID4 and EN3 may be filled soon.

>>45082034
My friend, not having an issue with them at one point in time is not the same as never having an issue with them.
Not having a public issue with them is not the same as not having any issues with them.

And hearting comments that complimented a cover isn't exactly proof that she wasn't problematic. As someone who actually did watch her, this response is retarded.

>>45067729
Anon, Nijisanji have audition then debut in 3 months. Hololive did audition then debut more than 6 month.
Hololive did so to conditioning and understanding the talent. In doing so, they also could fired predebut any unwanted talent (like zaion) without consequence.
If Nijisanji did so, we wouldn't have Zaion situation. In fact, Zaion might actually tone down and not get terminated because the bonding she had grown with other talent and manager

>>45085988
>Anon, Nijisanji have audition then debut in 3 months. Hololive did audition then debut more than 6 month.
thats not true for a while anon. that was true years ago but on EN and JP, its between 5 and 7 months

>>45076223
Actually, HoloID channel hired clipper . Just look at lot of compilation in HoloID official channel made by Rickchama

>>45086396
what is HoloEn3

>>45065586
>3, then 6, then 9 girls who did what they could to help each other out and reached out to EN and JP when it was available
>Vs Hana and Mika living along in their islands actively shunning collabs
Many Money Co and Bonbon are exceptions to this otherwise weird as fuck isolationism

>>45082807
Anon, did you even in her membership?
What is your answer when she was asking if she should announce graduation early or last minute?

>>45085756
Thank you for being the only sane person about this situation. I do think NijiEN management is dogshit but it's also true that Zaion did way too many things that a corporation can't overlook, especially if she was unrepentant about it. She's honestly better off being indie

>>45079394
Even then, it still was more professional than Niji could ever be. Plus Hololive after doubling down on their statements made it clear that no one should harass Rushia because of this.

>>45087147
yes but that's for specific video projects, not to clip regular streams

>>45079472
>I thought their nepo was utaite circle instead of cosplay circle
Ennichisai circle

>>45088853
OFC ITS ENNI

>>45087798
I have her membership and all of this shit is a bunch of narratives. you are all making these montages

>>45078843
I kinda forget, but was Yuya the NijiKR reincarnation that now part of V-LUP?

>>45078843
I'm just speaking out of ignorance, but I think that's just what happens thanks to Anykara and Cover's differences in talent management.
Anykara has so much talents that it can be argued that they end up having more than they can manage, and they never stop going after new hires because its a profitable business model. If one person goes then they could just as easily hire 6 new people to take that place. As a result it just slowly begins feeling impersonal even if the talents genuinely enjoy their interactions with their fanbases.
Meanwhile Cover only lets in a few talents each year if that. There's a lot more reason to give well wishes or at least give the talent's departure, since barely anyone leaves.

>>45065586
They refused to branch out from their local fanbase
HoloID primarily took off with EN audiences before Kobo, and the NijiIDs that do well are basically EN themselves
But they're too fuckin prideful to make good business choices, and they died for it
Basically, they're idiots

>>45071581
Thanks for sharing this piece of history with us
Would never have known otherwise

>>45077339
He started getting political and was banished to the shadow realm

>>45065588
Niji defence force seething and coping

>>45071581
>Even in the beginning, Cover were sub begging /#/fags
Honestly i would have never guessed with how little they announce non Million milestones

>>45065586
Nijisanji has always had trouble breaking into foreign markets for reasons that would probably be a good dissertation , even in China they failed three times before they just threw their hands up and just lisenced their name out to a local company.

>>45073401
https://twitter.com/njid_birthday/status/1635490937878052867?t=P6WzdiFpYXhZbuxMf2F0og not even kidding :(

>>45092334
Is it the same reasons, or do they find unique and innovative ways to shit the bed every time?

>>45092334
they never licensed their brand to a local company like you said
in 2018 they had a third party company have their brand on taipei and shangai so taiwan and china. that company then lost the license in 2019 and was named another one, until it closed in the same year
months later, virtuareal which is a joint venture between anycolor and bilibili was opened, and thats their chinese branch to this day, theo ne they have involvement, unlike that one

>>45092334
they had 5 opportunies to break out, they got 2 (EN, VR) and failed 3 (IN, ID, KR)

>>45092346
>BIRTHDAY FAN MERCH
fucking nijisanji

How the fuck do people still think the contents of member streams are secret somehow?
Now with youtube membership gifting how could anybody still think like this?
and how the fuck can people actually think that for the low low price of $5 USD(or lower) the members will actually listen to you and not just spread shit about?

Do not trust your members.

>>45092346
Shit like this makes whining about how "Cover doesn't care about EN/ID" pretty ridiculous.

>>45065404
So what did she say in her membership stream?

>>45093035
She and 5 other IDs will be graduating sometime next week. It will be shortly before Niji debuts nijiEN Gamers.

>>45092884
even cover shows more care to 2 views homostars

>>45093188
did they want to continue their career? if so give me the link cuz fuck nijisanji

>>45065586
There are alot of different reasons, as evidenced by the dozen different replies you received, but the big one I think is the most important is that nijisanji is institutionally incapable of spreading success around the company. People like to use this to shit on holoID alot but holoID really did get a significant boost from holoJP fans due to peko Moona, and then because success compounds upon itself holoID was able to leverage that in order to break into the local market and get fans of their own. This effect is omnipresent in hololive, the success of one Holo has a trickle down effect that raises the success of every other Holo.

In nijisanji however success remains very localised. Kuzuha is massively successful, but that success stays with Kuzuha and doesn't spread to the rest of the company. NijiJP is a fairly successful vtuber branch, but that success doesn't spread to nijien or nijiid. Mika is a massively successful chuuba by Id standards, but none of that reflects on her branchmates. Salome broke records when she debuted, but none of that success spread out to the rest of the company. For a variety of reasons, Nijisanji is institutionally incapable of leveraging success in one area to prop up other areas where they are doing poorly.

>>45092346
I mean I guess its good that Nijisanji even lets IDs make and sell fan merch, but man its no less fucking depressing.

>>45093188
Six graduations within a week? wtf.

>>45093380
Correct. Don't forget Moona and Risu's performance in last year's holofes.

>>45093188
Fuck off you are a lying falseflagger.

>>45093509
Then what did she say anonchama?

Uh no, the Nijisis is afraid of Niji ex ID than Sayu

>>45095287
Tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling ddddddddoooooowwwwwnnnnn.

>>45095287
Why would ex-NijiID be bitter? Their performance sucked, and they were treated accordingly.

>>45095287
EX ID and Sayu are held to an NDA, so even if there is shit to spill, it won't be spilled anytime soon

>>45093380
>In nijisanji however success remains very localised. Kuzuha is massively successful, but that success stays with Kuzuha and doesn't spread to the rest of the company. NijiJP is a fairly successful vtuber branch, but that success doesn't spread to nijien or nijiid. Mika is a massively successful chuuba by Id standards, but none of that reflects on her branchmates. Salome broke records when she debuted, but none of that success spread out to the rest of the company. For a variety of reasons, Nijisanji is institutionally incapable of leveraging success in one area to prop up other areas where they are doing poorly.
I love how you act like only Kuzuha is successful in NijiJP and Mito, Nui, Fuwa, Kagami and so many other livers dont exist. They have like 50 4view in that branch, 6 5view and 13 3view. most of them are successful by far

>>45093188
>>45093460
>>45093571
you all are the ones who need to prove that. wheres the clip? wheres the member post that isnt edited like this one?
you all can put clips when the things happened but funny how this graduation thing never had any proof

>>45095808
What if someone "steals" their device and leaks that information?

>>45095287
>B-but muh Nijifamily!!!

>>45096089
Depends, but more than likely the data is assumed to not be on anything other than official corpo devices, so having anything like that would by default, fall under the EX nijis fault.

>>45095287
The nijinigger fears the indochad

>>45095682
>Why would ex-NijiID be bitter? Their performance sucked, and they were treated accordingly.
They don't see it that way anon. Hana cried on stream that she hated Nijisanji.

>>45096082
Sure, i'll take it from farm now the leak Zea was talking about

>>45089156
>Ennichisai Circle
What's wrong with that?

>>45096290
she didnt say it like that. she said she loves nijisanji but shes disliking it a bit because of that

>>45095808
good luck enforcing an NDA in fucking Indonesia

>>45095808
Yeah good luck suing them in Indonesia lmao

>>45096230
They get a phone from Niji, they can loose it pretty easily.

>>45075254
You didn’t read my post correctly. I said there’s no way Holo would ever ax HoloID.

>>45092765
Every membership I'm in keeps shit secret
Must suck to have shit people as fans

>>45095808
>NDAs are magic seals that completely prevent people from talking

>>45065404
>I know it doesn't change anything, but I'd do it anyway
God i hate women

>>45067221
Uh is there proof for this? If you manage to proof this than I'm doubling down on fuck the black company nijisanji

>>45098331
The source was already posted in here

>>45096009
out of all the people you listed the only successful one is still kuzuha
> They have like 50 4view in that branch
not really most of the livers are in the 3-4view boundary near 1.5k to 900 and only cross 4view if its an interesting stream otherwise they staying the 3view territory

>>45098331
>>45070507

>>45097215
if you bet your privacy on 5 dollars you deserve to get leaked. trust only yourself

>>45078843
is there a translation of the girl on the pic shitting on niji for not supporting KR? is this true?

>>45098549
>out of all the people you listed the only successful one is still kuzuha
ok you are retarded.
>not really most of the livers are in the 3-4view boundary near 1.5k to 900 and only cross 4view if its an interesting stream otherwise they staying the 3view territory
bullshit

>>45098549

>>45098936
shes not shitting on niji, shes shitting on the management of kr

>>45099018
I dont fucking see the 50 niji 4view livers there anon

>>45099018
>using january numbers
ruru

>>45099018
>jan 2022
>>45099058
>oct 2022

>>45099136
>2022

>>45099058
Is this an official niji thing cause fucking kek they even managed to stalin ID members even though they are part of the company now

>>45096449
poorfag event

>>45099301
Is the circle infamous or something like that?

>>45095808
muh nda
fucking nijikeks ticktock

>>45070141
> Overall, holo recruiters struck gold with gen 1
Don't forget, at the time of HoloID Gen 1 debut, Asacoco was the hottest of hot topics. And Asacoco featured the upcoming HoloID debuts on the show, to about 20k people live :
Fubuki and the JPs were also very welcoming to them : https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1247105275758284800

>>45070141
Don't forget that holo has already built a strong brand among indos before debuting ID1, Niji on the other hand are literal whos among indos until Obsydia

HoloID
>got shilled in big billboards in japan
>featured in an album written by the reknown deco*27
>Got 3D live
>Singing in a stage in front of tens of thousands people cheering for them for the 2nd time
>Got 3D and idol outfits
>Can afford to have a bigger dream
>Work with the JPembassy in ID
>Get full support from their EN and JP senpais/kouhais (yes, they even pushed theirselves to went along with ollie's shitty tourney in the middle of 4thfest preps! Because they love the shitty zoomer)
>Get full support from their agency
>make enough money to afford a house and to fully support their famillies and their neighbors
>are happy
Meanwhile nijiID..
>Got their branch shafted
>Got the ID tag torn right in front of their face and forced to live with the shame of ex-ID tag
>Their beloved, highly competent management, who gave their best to support the branch and their livers, got fired
>3D got cancelled for the nth time
>Doesnt have merchs during anniverssaries/BD and forced to recycle their old voice packs
>no support whatsoever despite every single nijiniggers coping with "T-they'll surely get more support now that they are in the main branch"
>no promotion fro so called main branch
>must resort to leeching DESPERATELY to EN and act like a whore
>non of you EN and JP senpais give a shit or so much as looking your way
>anykara pretend you never exist
>Your channel become a nijishill channel
>While all this happened, your neighbor that used to leech on you is now on backnforth trip to JP to perform on the biggest stage their agency has to offer and having a blast with their EN and JP senpais and kouhais, living that anime life you dream for back when you joined the supposed biggest vtuber agency in japan..

>>45096604
dyrbi?

>>45085988
Anon, literally all of them have stated they had months to prepare after passing auditions, the only thing that doesn't happen is previous waves meeting the new people til closer to their debut. You are also taking a company's word in good faith without having proof of anything that went on behind the scenes, aka 99% of the reason she got terminated.

>>45099854
>"reknown"
cringe
>shitting on nijikeks
based

>>45099854
it's ironic isn't it? it gets even more ironic to think that I know 2 chuubas who are nijiIDkeks : one of them just debuted their 3D in Japan before Hana can while the other turned herself from a nijisaviour'd indie into the biggest nonholo IDchuuba, no wonder even their staff called NijiID a DOA branch, there's just no room for Niji to win indos hearts

>>45099058
wtf? the lolicon is popular? kek based

Niji should had EN at all… should have stayed JP only.

>>45100432
Chinman is like the second or third most popular Niji

>>45099136
>>45099168
if you show me updated numbers from 2023 you still will get much more 4views than 3 views in JP

>>45100432
Sometimes i lament him playing Ui tetris and unfolding that entire lolicon arc. Went from a small quip to his moniker

>>45099854
>got full support
nijiid was built with established management back then, had their own office like few anon /here/ said, while holoid had nothing, they only had 1 staff living in the same roof as id1 as their manager

>>45101333
Which honestly make sense here
>Niji that put their expectations too high for a market that didn't demand them
VS
>holo who builds up slow and steady following market demands
It's understandable why anyc went ham on them during nijimerge

>>45101017
RUMAOO with how PC they try to be in the EN what a joke

>>45098936
it's all in Korean and NijiKR didn't have much of a fanbase so you might be out of luck
for the pic at least you can try google lens

>>45098936
https://twitter.com/YuyaShin2434/status/1404824598772781059

>>45082807
> someone spent 5$ to check on a NijiID graduation rrat and leaked it her
or
> someone (who already has a membership) booted up photoshop, Inspect Element'd the entire spiel, cut and paste this girl's pic over whoever he was a member for, and posted it /here/ for..?
I know which is more believable

>>45101142
chinman was always based

>>45065404
(You) should stop using terms whose meanings (you) don't understand

>>45067493
Aon chants "black company" every time anyone has to follow a rule, no matter how basic. Ignore anons chanting "black company".

>>45102793
This
Just because Anycolor threw away the fanmail doesnt mean they are a black company, if they really wanted those fanmails they should have done better and earned more for the company like the others who get to receive it
Niji rules are simple if you want to be treated like a human being you gotta earn for the company

>>45074537
Yes. Yes they do. /vt/ is full of faggots who throw around words without any clue what they mean, and also leakage from /pol/ that nobody had the brains to mop up.

>>45102970

>>45103042
Kek

>>45103042
Jej

>>45076635
>It doesn't help that they literally released a new vtuber wave for ID almost constantly
Thing is, that's how niji operates. The spay n' pray approach worked really on, but they've never realized b the need to move away from it. Now that chuubas are a big biz, that method just backfires but they're so used to it they keep going, no matter how much happens. Company is less evil and more complacent/inept.

>>45101333
>established management
>their own office
Huh, this is news to me. I remember their only manager is that one guy who manage the whole oversea branch and each branch would have around 1 or 2 staffs helping their schedule. I can't even remember whether ID have office since Zea said she need to wait for a year before she get a PDF version of fan letter.

>>45096449
One most recent thing about the guy mentioned in >>45068123 is that he's a veteran in the competitive cosplay scene and frowns upon the newer generation of cosplayers. Usually, his arguments are justified, but recently he's turning more disagreeable

Next thread >>45073614

>>45096270
Always has been