/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Makes me feel better about March 27 if anything.

Good job Nijibros

B-B-BUT THE D-D-DRAMA

>>45098571
I could see why they prematurely wanted the AR live on april. It’ll skyrocket the Q4 earnings and end the financial year on a high while saying it’ll continue to increase more as more concerts for EN are held.

I thought Niji was doomed though...what happened bros

https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material1/202480/00.pdf
They filed to change their listing on the TSE from Growth Market to Prime Market.

https://www.jpx.co.jp/english/equities/market-restructure/market-segments/index.html
Prime Market: For companies which have appropriate levels of market capitalization (liquidity) to be investment instruments for many institutional investors, keep a higher quality of corporate governance, and commit to sustainable growth and improvement of medium- to long-term corporate value, putting constructive dialogue with investors at the center.
Growth Market: For companies which have a certain level of market value by disclosing business plans for realizing high growth potential and their progress towards these appropriately and in a timely manner, but at the same time pose a relatively high investment risk from the perspective of business track record.

>>45098830
Look at that net profit,
FY19+FY20+FY21+FY22=3,782
FY23 up to Q3=5,235
They have made more profit in the first 3 quarters of this financial year than they have in all 4 previous years combined?

Forecasts for the year were also revised upwards.

>>45098571
https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material_for_fiscal_ym3/132632/00.pdf
https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material_for_fiscal_ym2/132631/00.pdf
Links to the documents for anyone that wants to take a look.

>>45098922
Probably would make a good looking increase for EN too. So will this have a positive impact on the stock price?

>>45098862
Dummy? This is for the previous quarter. Of course the current drama wouldn't affect it now.

>>45099487
They already counted Zaion's graduation there, anon
>6 new VTuber debuts and 1 graduation from Nijisanji EN

>>45098571
What does the numbers mean anon? I didn't educate myself(srsly)

>>45098571
OH NO NO NO BUT ANONS SAID NIJIEN WOULD LOSE MONEY? WHAT ABOUT STOCKS?
once again, retards saying shit they dont know

>>45099566
That's Yugo and Iluna.

>>45099566
Can you check if these documents were made before her graduation announcement? lol

>>45099659
>>45099698
You can literally add up all the NijiEN talents yourself
There's 31 with Zaion, 30 without her

>>45099698
Q3 is November to January, as per the calendar.
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/ir/calendar

HOLOBROS DON'T LOOK

>>45099740
You are right
>Financial Results for the Nine Months Ended January 31, 2023
I thought it ended before they debuted for some reason.

>>45099822
/#/ is literally melting down right now

>>45099740
>>45099784
>>45099825
So what you're saying is that they already had her gone in January?????

>>45099890
maybe? only zaion herself and the company knows

2020fags' cognitive dissonance will only grow stronger with this knowledge.

>>45098571
holobros... I don't feel so good...

>>45098571
>>45098664
Does 'livestreaming' include Superchat? Seems pretty dead, events also seem like a money sink, should probably just see it as a way to give back to fans or something. Also EN's promotion here >>45098664 is very small compared to JP even though it seemed like they did as many shill streams as the JP.

>>45099890
Are you being dumb on purpose? The 1 graduation in Q3 was Yugo.

>>45099890
Yeah they already planned for Zaion to bite the dust around the end of december or around the start of january
So the we tried to help her when she was suspended finana tried to peddle was somehow another lie since she was basically dead

>>45099970
no, yugo is q1
>>45099967
yes, livestreaming covers all youtube revenue

>>45099967
>>45100029
following up on this, the big increase in NijiEN revenue was merch
livestreaming revenue decreased
not sure what promotion is, i guess sponsorships?

>>45100087
holiday voicepacks?

>>45098571
As a Holobro, I'm surprised about EN's growth. Hope this pushes HoloEN3 out soon.
Still don't know what Niji is doing with that revenue.

>>45100029
>On 14 December, ANYCOLOR announced that Yugo graduated on the same day
No Yugo graduation was Q3. That's literally when it happened. These charts include Zaion still but don't include Yugo. 32 members with Zaion minus Yugo is 31.

>>45099967
>events also seem like a money sink
Actually no, scratch that. Events give them excuses to sell more merch, that's why the commerce section is as huge as it is.

>>45100006
>>45099890
No, this is Yugo. The number of members was 179 counting with zaion. without zaion its 178

Unironically what happened? So many doomposters but Niji seems completely fine.
/v/t was wrong again?

>>45100126
Oh wait, you're right, I was looking at the 30 from NijiID/KR instead of the 31 from NijiEN
My bad

>>45100116
>>45100191
The truth is that HoloEN and NijiEN are both doing fine and doomposters are retarded or pure tribalfaggers who want the big corpos to die

>>45100116
honestly agreed as a nijibro. I want to see EN3. Closer competition will only serve to improve the product in the end for both sides. I hope.
I'm not sure what Riku's doing with the revenue, though. Part of me guesses some of that went to the concert that got canned because of "covid"

>>45100116
>Still don't know what Niji is doing with that revenue.
They're a public company now, so it goes into some Jew investor's pockets.

>>45100271
unfathomably based rationalist
>Holo is still printing money through merch sales and is about to get another big payday through the concert, still doing very well
>Niji's EN gamble is beginning to finally pay off big time with clear skies ahead
fuck doomposters

>>45098571
So, how many are going to buy the dip?
Put your money where your mouth is?

>>45100113
Voicepacks are probably in merch category. Promotions are them shilling products and doing collabs. The big one like Suou Sango collabing with the theme park was on TV and on news everywhere.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/lnews/tsu/20230314/3070010093.html

>>45100288
i wonder if management has realized the NijiENs fanbase is spreading thinner and if they’re doing things different with their upcoming hires. i’m not saying nijiEN is flopping, but in terms of expanding the fanbase, they haven’t been successful recently. i’m excited to see both of the new vtubers and what the companies plan on doing with them

>>45100191
Tribalfags kind of live in their own reality that was built by newfags and shitposters who showed up during the clipboom several years ago.
They're completely clueless and have been taught wrong, as a joke.

>>45100191
It's not just completely fine its literally doing the best its ever done ever. Look at this shit. >>45098830
>>45099194
They made four years of profit in 9 months.

>Q3
Q4 earnings report is going to be a disaster on the EN side
Feel free to grudgepost this

>>45100087
Livestreaming is Superchats, Memberships and Ad Sense.
Promotion is shill streams, cafe collab tie ins, stuff like that Famima promotion they did where you buy the chocolate and get the NijiEN members on some special merch for free with it and so on.
Commerce is anything you buy through the Nijisanji store, including voices, and probably licensed goods too.

Livestreaming revenue for EN probably decreased due to people being on breaks and streaming less I would guess.

>>45100029
Suprised it's such a small part, who the fuck buys niji merch?

>>45101106
Lmao Why?

>>45101159
That's over $10 million in merch that quarter sold so a lot of people.

>>45101159
the margins on merch are huge and dedicated fans can buy multiple sets

b-but muh stock price

So how does the stock price react to this?

>>45101508
Market already closed for the day when the published this, go get some sleep.

Why is there Q2 and Q3 when it's still Q1?

>>45101604
This question every single time.....

>>45101604
Because it's not Q1 it's Q4.

>>45101604
A financial year (FY) on the charts runs from May 1st to April 30th for Anycolor financial results. The 2023 FY is from May 1st 2022 to April 30th 2023 then 2024 FY will start.

>>45101604
FY2023.4 means fiscal year ending in April 2023, so that spans from May 2022 - April 2023 for Anycolor.

Luxiem's income took a nosedive after February. Fucking Pippa and Holostars' purple man now make more money than them.
Hell, Vox's white day larp stream barely had 2K people watching. Tick tock, luxiemsisters.

>>45101550
Do you think it will go up when it does open?

>>45101159
A lot of people. That also includes voice packs

>>45101866
nice, thats just SC and most of the revenue of the branch is merchandise and voice packs kek

>>45101866
4k people, while overlaping 2 other Luxiem
>>45101975
He got $11k SC

>>45098571
It's obvious. A company that enforce survival of the fittest culture will get more profit because they're more efficient where the underperformers get culled. If I am an investor I will put my money in Nijisanji.

But I'm here to enjoy streamers doing their job. I don't want to see them sad and get discriminated by their own company. So I prefer Hololive in this industry, They don't want anyone to get left behind.
If you are into Nijisanji, enjoy your time while your favorite liver is still among the top, but when they're in decline and get tossed away, you will understand that this business model is inhumane.

>>45098571
If its so good why are they failing to hit their targets?

>>45100906
>>45099194

most likely reason is the ipo

>>45102110
>stealing a shitpost that got laughed out of /#/

>>45101975
>their superchat income might be taking a nosedive after Voxsisters found something out about him, but their merch sales are still doing fine even though we don't have access to those numbers
>how do I know this?
>FUCK YOU

>>45101866
>Tick tock, luxiemsisters
Anime Impulse tickets sold out in less than 2 minutes.

>>45102149
Lies. They eat up any fake Niji garbage that gets thrown at them.

>>45099740
>>45099825
>>45099890
wait what where?
I want to believe this rrat give me proofs

>>45102247
He's wrong.
>>45100126
>>45100209

>>45102234
He literally used the same image, you can check yourself. Got a few bites there from retards who can't read graphs before getting blown out

>>45100271
>>45100374
people just don't realize that anycolor is running it like a business and that investors have always been their main priority

>>45100087
but the catalog told me nijiEN doesn't make any money off merch

>>45102086
On the EN side the streamers seem to enjoy doing their job. They certainly stream a lot more than HoloEN

>>45102583
The talents don't at least.

>>45099740
Zaion was privating streams for no reason like a dumbass of course she wasn’t bringing in money.

>>45100191
Well the thing is they want it to be true but reality is cruel to them unfortunately.

>>45102583
You either read a shitpost or you didn't understand it correctly. NijiEN makes money off of merch, but the EN livers get a lesser cut of the profit compared to voicepacks/donos, mainly because they have no involvement with the merch at all (the company pays for production). Basically "hey, we slapped your face on some acrylics and badges, he's your cut of the profit". Which means the company gets a bigger cut of merch, because they are the ones who had to fund it.

>>45102086
Giving everyone a good chance raises them as units and the brand as a whole tho, it ensures you can profit more from everyone and over the brand can be more monetizable.
Hard to really say which strategy is simply better or worse.
Hololive can raise its floor and achieve a higher ceiling but by going quantity over quality Nijisanji can have just as many high value talents as Hololive because they filter themselves and only the cream rises to the top.
Hololive might have 50 monetizable talents and none of them is worthless while Nijisanji might have 200, and even if 150 of those are worth almost nothing they still have 50 that can be just as monetizable as hololive or even more, some of Hololive might be worth more than most of Nijisanji's but if Nijisanji's top 50 are still better than the entirety of Hololive they are going to be making more money.

>>45102587
the gook children in my DPRK textile sweatshop love their jobs too

>>45102918
ok, but niji's top 50 isn't, if anything their top 10 are closer to holo mid-high tiers than holos top.

>>45100087
So Pomu was right, livers got no money from merch

>>45103146
She didn't say no money, just lesser than superchats. Could be 30% liver, 70% company. No way of knowing.

>>45102918
Having an army of small streamers adds up, specially when Nijisanji have enough people to have streams 24/7 all year round, and a number of them being degens streaming 40+ hours per week.

>>45103118
They just need to keep releasing more members then.

>>45103118
Don't top 50 Nijis make more total superchat than top 50 Holos according to monthly superchat? Like, Niji's 50th makes more than $10k than Holo's 50th in that month. Logically, if they give superchat then they probably buy merch too, and since 50 Nijis makes more than 50 Holos, 50+150 Nijis will make more than 50 Holos.

>>45098664
It's interesting that the average NijiEN member earns more revenue than the average NijiJP member. If you're Anycolor at the moment and you want to choose where to invest your resources more EN debuts is most attractive.

Lot of coping shitposters here

>>45103888
the numbers don't lie and they don't spell disaster for nijisanji

>>45098571
Yet investors see no hope in the corp

>>45104038
They know the true value of the company is dogshit

>>45099342
I just noticed something. On page 38 of the first document under major cost items for "commerce" aka merch it has revenue share with vtubers there goes the rrat that they don't get any money from merch.

>>45103118
thats right, just accelerate, cant wait for NijiUAE. bettel's days are numbered

>>45104076
The value of the company based on the current share price is around $1 billion though.

>>45104178
And it keeps going down

>>45098571
HOLOBROS NOT LIKE THIS

>>45104270
If you add the quarters up on the charts Anycolor is actually destroying Cover on revenue this year.
2023 up til Q3 Anycolor Revenue is added up for you in the left chart on post below
>>45098830
2023 up til Q3 Cover Revenue is the last three bars on the top graph of image attached.

Anycolor - 1,917
Cover - 1,280

>>45098571
The guy who made daily AC stock doomthreads is probably on suicide watch right now.

>>45105042
Kind of makes me laugh when Hololive fans think Cover is the biggest vtuber company. They're not even in the same league as Anycolor making nearly double the revenue they do.

>>45102854
>no reason

>>45105203
true, this is why anykara is the mcdonalds of vtuber company

>>45098571
kek nice another yacht for mr riku, meanwhile their livers and their 10% cuts..

>>45105042
A difference of 1000/6000 isn't "destroying".
They operate with more people.
>>45105203
Having a bunch of nobodies adding up doesn't elevate the company as a whole.
Most people had no idea who Ninjisanji was until NijiEN introduced it, a layer of people still have no idea it exists, and even the NijiEN fans can't name more than 2 of their members.
Their events are dwarfed, their sponsors and overall cultural impact is dwarfed.
>>45105293
McDonald's is actually very recognizable and a massive brand tho.

>>45105451
Cope

>>45100419
The dip is gone by now. Markets are closed but sell orders already went up in price.

>>45105451
>Most people had no idea who Ninjisanji was until NijiEN
lmao, EN market is fucking tiny compared to Japan market, EN market is irrelevant, even the middle rank liver like Suou Sango is more well known in Japan than any hololive idol

>>45105042
Why doesn't Cover try ACCELERATING like Niji does? It clearly works.

>>45100191
Oh look, doomposters on /vt/ is wrong.

Like, I am pretty sure even HoloEN is doing more than fine even with lack of streams. More products launched than ever before. More Cafe collabs than ever before. Etc.

I do want EN3. But at this point, they will come when they come. It missed so many prediction window, that even JP7 might drop sooner.

Holobros ...

holobros... expect mass graduation and termination soon... we lost....

>>45105587
And Japan is a tiny island in the middle of nowhere.
There's a ton of shit that can flit as the most profitable in the country and it's still unknown to the outside world.
You can say it's the biggest and best domestic thing but put on a global perspective it's nothing.
If someone says Hololive is the biggest they're not saying it has the biggest profit number, they're saying it's the one that matters the most and has the most impact.

>>45102174
>>45102039
anon, we literally just got nijien numbers and they got more merch money

>>45102918
Multiple of small talents can easily overcome a single big talent, that's why Nijisanji still debuts more and more gens. Getting a Salome is a jackpot but as long as they can sell acrylic stands enough to cover the cost of models and operational costs, they are making profits on that talent

>>45102583
>>45102895
anon, commerce has both voice packs and merchandise, so the one they have 50/50 is actually in commerce..

>>45103118
thats hard to say and compared when we dont have full individual numbers, just the companies numbers in total per branch

>>45104088
They always get money. Its more on the question of how much they are getting. They put "split revenue with vtubers" as major cost, and they're gaining profit margin of more than 40% so the talents probably get less than that.

>>45105509
That's niji talents getting most of their money taken by anycolor and none of it redistributed back into community events or fests.

>>45105042
I think Cover should hire streamer that actually stream

>>45105203
Because Anycolor's number of talents are almost triple the number of Hololive's? This is even including the Holostars.

There was a joke that you can say that you are from Nijisanji and nobody will doubt it because alot of vtubers are from Nijisanji, and nobody remember everyone

>>45105743
>on a global perspective it's nothing.
SEA and latink 3rd world shitters worth nothing. This financial report said it

>>45106023
Coping

>>45103841
Too many NijiJP members do drag the average down. But well, obviously Niji will be the one testing on how much EN market can take

>>45100191
You mean shitposters were wrong? Shocking!

>>45100271
HoloEN is making less money though. They are still doing fine but they are slowly declining.

>>45102587
I am pretty sure I will enjoy job more if I still earn income while basically not working

>>45105984
They do
https://vtuber-ch.com/ranking3/
It's just HoloEN that hate streaming for some reason. Which makes it weird when people try making that excuse "they're idols they have other stuff to do besides stream" because other Holo branches stream just fine and they're idols too.

>>45101106
Lol no it won't. Hex and Scarle are making almost as much money as Vox.

>>45106229
The Scarle superchats thing is truly weird.

>>45106023
Like half of NijiJP streamers are part time streamers. Yes Cover makes a bit more per vtuber but it's not a big difference.

>>45106228
based on this page, looks like the some of the holoEN girls do stream about the same amount as some of the popular NijiEN girls
the problem is that people think Gura represents HoloEN hours and Scarle/Elira represent NijiEN hours when the vast majority of HoloENs and NijiENs fall somewhere in the middle

>>45106172
Source for this claim? Link the numbers on how much money they make so we can compare. NijiEN revenue was declining from Q1 to Q2 but with Q3 numbers we can see that was just seasonality.

>>45106228
people don't post nijiJP in those hour streamed charts because:
nobody cares
it would make a lot of streamers that people think of as endurance streamers look pathetic

>>45106172
Sure thing sis

>>45103841
Because there are many nijijp streamers who stream one a month that drag the average down

>>45106172
nijiEN gets far less superchats and far less concurrent viewers. The only way holo is getting less money is if they are taking significantly less of a cut, but that just means the actual talents are getting more money of the money which is a good thing.

Wasn't Cover going public too or something?
I think I read something like that somewhere.

>>45106498
It's an unusually low week for those girls and an unusually high week for HoloEN currently. Pomu and Selen etc are normally closer to 30hrs and most of the time the only one breaking 20 in HoloEN is Kiara.

>>45107083
This month after HoloFes

>>45105743
You're right, that's the reason why Holo makes more money than Niji in streaming category, because their streams can literally reach people worldwide while outside of Japan, literally no one knows Niji exist.

>>45107067
I dunno if you look at Q1 for 2023 NijiEN made 1,630 according to this chart >>45105042
While Cover as a whole made 3,601. So if HoloEN was making as much as or more than NijiEN was they would be accounting for more than half of all Cover's revenue on their own, which doesn't seem likely to me? Seems like the majority should come from HoloJP.

>>45107174
NijiEN is almost 1/3 of their revenue. No way in hell HoloEN is 1/3 of Cover's revenue.

Not gonna pretend to understand these bar graphs. Sure, Anykara is making more money probably. How does this excuse the shitty EN streamers?

>>45107067
This is complete bullshit. NijiEN has multiple superchat monsters and ccv make 0 money. It's vod views that make money and NijiEN has more views per month due to more members and streams

>>45107326
Those shitty streamers still have their audience and the few actually good NijiEN members make far better content than HoloEN Minecraft spam.

>>45098571
>Believe in fictitious numbers
KEK.
Btw, holo has 10 times more income.

u-uhh umm... uhh..
b-buy the dip??

i don't understand the financial world at all. i just hope posting this image does something...

>>45107431
>Talk about dicks, cum, vagina, sex
>make far better content

>>45106352
She managed to be NijiEN GFE by just being an affectionated bimbo, literally that girl people fall in love because she is simply nice to them

>>45107431
There's only one person in HoloEN who plays Minecraft regularly, everyone else plays it maybe 1 or 2 times a year. No idea where you get this idea that HoloEN is Minecraft spam. Might as well say NijiEN spam Minecraft because you have Pomu

>>45107671
>Managed to achieve GFE while also collabing with males and being in a mixed wave
Scarle I fucking kneel

>>45107615
That's literally just Luxiem and Ethyria. And not even all of them.

>t-they made how much?

>>45107504
does literally nothing brain damaged-chama

>>45107873
if you can't tell that guy was an obvious shitposter...

>>45107834
All she had to do was not be a retard.

Imagine the cope when we start getting Cover reports with EN slowly sinking.

>>45107912
>obvious shitposter
not on this board, there's a lot of undiagnosed retards on the catalog

>>45107384
they pretty much only have one at this point, hex "cut yourself for" haywire
>>44937537

>>45107972
It will just be the normal cope won't it? NijiEN has more members than HoloEN so of course they make more money.

>>45105042
>Have 3x amount of Livers than Cover
>Only do 0.3x better than Cover
I called it a Failure.

Plus, Cover paid their chuuba much better than Anycolor Livers for sure.

>holofag tribalfags btfo with data, can't write fanfiction anymore
>nijifag tribalfags start to write fanfiction instead
i hate all you faggots so much, you truly deserve each other

>>45108301
nijien fans are already making these copes in-company with the "per liver" stat

>>45108338
Which fanfiction are you talking about?

>>45108301
But after all, holoen is more popular and the number of fans is ten times greater. Shouldn't they bring the same or even more income due to this?

Nice presentation from last year
now post the current one, intern.
LMAO

this is old already, the current one should be coming soon https://speakerdeck.com/anycolor/anycolor-introduction?slide=12
unless SUDDEN COVID

>>45108920
>>45109221
Are you pretending to be retarded it's literally published today.

>>45108409
I don't know if I would call that a cope? There no NijiEN fan that thinks the branch is bigger than NijiJP while lots of Hololive fans seem to think Hololive is the biggest most successful vtuber company that makes the most money when it just isn't. Then when that's pointed out they cope with the fact by saying "well hololive makes more individually".

>>45110203
>"well hololive makes more individually"
And how exactly is that wrong?

>>45110256
It isn't wrong?

>>45110203
>>45110401
The word "cope" is used to imply something is not true within colloquial discourse.
>"well hololive makes more individually"
By saying this is a cope, you suggested that it could possibly be false, even though you truly perceived the statement to mean,
>This fact does not change or improve the reality
Clarity is advised to prevent future misunderstandings.

If hypothetically I had contact with a menhera on the inside with access to the secret club discord and groomed her to perform the final niji yab, could I get done for insider trading if I was max leverage shorting their stock?

>>45110802
It's quite literally coping. Someone points out a fact you don't like, bring up a quasi related fact you do like to cope with it.

>>45102086
Typical 2020 new fag delusional bullshit.
This fucking narrative is dumb as it can't answer why the only chance of publishing a legit light novel would be given to Natsume, instead of Ange or Kaida as all of them wrote stories in their Minecraft server. Or why the third member in Nornis is Akane instead of some like Lize, or how some like Kazaki got a major music deal faster than literally anyone.
Even a shitter like Aizono still gets to perform in NJU and promotion deal, yet you 2020fags talk like shitters would be forgotten forever because none of you watch NijiJP but know all of your shit from the narrative by EOP fuckers.

>>45101604
For future reference since this question will keep getting asked

>>45110893
>It's quite literally coping
This is not denied. The main issue was that you unintentionally suggested that the "quasi related fact" was not a fact and very untrue. That is why this anon reacted like this>>45110256
>So what?
Nothing, this was for your knowledge only, don't be sensitive.

>>45108329
>Plus, Cover paid their chuuba much better than Anycolor Livers for sure.
I just love that none of you can provide a single proof to this
headcanon except
>T-they shouldn't be losing! So they must have given more to their talent.

>>45106023
anon, 50% of anycolor revenue comes from their top 30 most popular, so no, their quantity is not a good point. even if it still helps, their top is so popular that they make a lot of money

>>45110907
Sure but tell me when Riksa is getting the same treatment as Kuzuha

>>45111676
Huh they are going to twitch route huh with the top heavy streamers getting even more top heavy

>>45111888
>the same treatment
Is Akirose or Anya getting the same treatment as Pekora or Suisei?

>>45112034
Yes considering Akirose gets a sololive like Suisei or Pekora while Anya also gets to represent Hololive in along with Sora in talkshows
Meanwhile I cant remember when or if Riksa had a concer like Kuzuha hell they cant even bother to tweet the fact that Radjiman of the exid is having his bday

>>45110907
>why the third member in Nornis is Akane
You know exactly why, you little shit. Because Nornis is a singing group and singing is not Lize's specialization.

>>45112522 (me)
Lize is still good at singing though, people should listen to her trio song covers.

>>45110907
> attributing the efforts of the talents in publishing a novel to the fucking company
Jesus Christ how far will you go with the bootlicking? It's not even entertaining as shitposts anymore...

>>45112321
>3D sololive is the same as the first take or a concert with a stadium
>represent in a talk show
>thus the same
This is like me saying Riska getting the prize and praise in frout of 100K people for helping Alice competed a Yakuman in majhong tournament is the same as they treat Kuzuha.
Fucking delusional.
>>45112522
So it literally prove they don't give all their resource based on number, retarded. Can't you read?
>>45112684
>b-bootlicking
Fuck off if you don't even know how Natsume got her chance.

>>45112964
So when is Riksa getting a concert like Kuzuha anon? Surely anycolor can provide something like that since theyve done it with so many of their livers?

>>45113076
I mean, the least they could do is give Hana her 3D showcase, since the model is already ready and all...

So the stock price should go up when the market opens again right? Normally if a companies revenue jumps up by 20% and they revise their earnings forecast upwards you would expect their stock to increase significantly too I think?

>>45112964
>So it literally prove they don't give all their resource based on number
I don't know why you brought up Lize when you could've mentioned Kaede, but whatever, minor shit.

>>45113076
After Anya gets a figure like Pekora or has a concert with a stadium like Suisei or Aqua or Okayu maybe
>>45113361
Because Lize was one of the most popular female liver that could sing at least decent.

H
OLOBROS TOLD ME THE STOCKS WERE BAD
REEEEEEEEE BLBACK COMPANY!!

>>45113137
They set a date for it like 3 times now didn't they? Then Hana didn't do any of them.

>>45113969
Still a black company that fires talents for nothing

>>45114475
WHY ARE THEY STILL MAKING MORE MONEY THAN US HOLOBRO???? REEEEEEEEE!!!!!

>>45098571
higher earnings = they are taking more money from my oshi

>>45113288
It should go up tomorrow
If it does go down then the investors know something that anycolor isnt showing the public

>>45113076
They even threw the nijiid fanmail in the trash so they for sure wont give them any concert or any monetary support for that matter

How am I supposed to make "pomu come home" bait threads when her company is more profitable....?

>>45115040
I love how shitters like you would word like it was a situation for the whole ex-ID.
ZEA literally came out and said they would get the scanned version of the fan letter and would get the physical one if they went to Anycolor HQ, the same as ex-KR.

>>45113444
>After Anya gets a figure like Pekora
you talking about acrylic stands or the 3rd party figures that like nedroid? Cause thats up to the other company anon and not cover or anycolor which is why i never brought up why only top earners like vox or kuzuha get nendos but aki does
Im talking about stuff that the company can do without 3rd party like concerts or sololives which only the top nijis seem to have access to but not the bottom ones

>>45115286
you mean the same zea who said that they used to receive it in the past but now doesnt even know what the process is right now?

Why do investors keep giving them money,I , a holobrony numberfag who doesn't speak Japanese, was determined this time it would surely be different! After a month of posting stocks nonstop I was certain that it was totally going to be different this time!!!
Why did the numberfags lie to me?!

>>45115305
Then why do you ignore that latter half of my post?
>sololives which only the top nijis seem to have access to but not the bottom ones
Again, even Aizono can hold her birthday live with guests.

Bros I was told this time for sure. What happened????
I was told phase was totally mogging their profits and they were done for

>>45115485
andd why do you ignore the basic concert and sololive part anon? which is a lot easier than getting a stadium concert

>>45115383
NTA but source?
I have never seen anyone talk about this, not even those butthurt nijiid fans.

>>45115647
https://twitter.com/ZEA_Cornelia/status/1620003793692954625

>>45112017
So you're saying they can cut those who aren't as profitable and save the money from merch, production costs in artists and rigging alongside with sacking the extra managers?

I thought for sure that all the endless yabs that were only talked about here would bring down the company....
How did we go so wrong?

>>45114358
> blaming the talent for the delay
every fucking time with you bootlicking nijifags...

>>45115696
>So you're saying they can cut those who aren't as profitable
It wont be just those who arent unprofitable, anyone who is against any of the top heavy's cliques can and will probably get shitcanned due to the influence and power that comes with the top heavy model. Hell if it gets worse it can even turn into an amouranth situation where one liver can dictate or sway whatever happens in the company

>>45115725
This is the financial report from November to January btw
Right before their ALL OUT YAB moment

AAAAIIIEEEEE
THE GRADUATIONS
THE YABS
THE SCANDALS
IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING WHY DO NIJICHADS KEEP ACCELERATING

Why is there a Q3 on 2023 in the chart when its not even 3rd quarter yet.
I have minimum understanding of numbers please understand.

>>45115831
wait so this is the before zaion/AR live/stealth suspensions financial report? interesting

>>45115831
Every time you say this it doesn't change anything.
You told me that the concert being cancelled would surely mean the death of them
You told me yugo graduating would surely impact them
You told me that the typhoons Last year would kill the growth
You told me that the discord leak would cause things to be different this time!

Now you're telling me that things that nobody cares about outside of here will actually affect them??? Better hope you're right because I'm starting to lose hope! All these yabs aren't affecting them at all! It's almost like they're nothing to people outside of /here/ but to accept that would be death to my holobrony numberfag mentality and I can't have that :(

>>45115998
>Now you're telling me that things that nobody cares about outside of here will actually affect them???
Not really considering they tried to take down dramafags (and failed miserably because of the retarded way they did it) because they cared of of those things

>>45115979
Yep
The (1 graduation) that they listed is Yugo
Because Zaion's was a "Termination"
They wouldn't make that mistake in official documents.

>>45116071
SURELY THAT WILL SHOW UP ON THEIR FINANCIAL REPORT NEXT TIME THEN! I believe you anon! It'll surely happen, just like it did for all those other yabs.....

>>45116122
>SURELY THAT WILL SHOW UP ON THEIR FINANCIAL REPORT NEXT TIME THEN
Anon why would they put those things on something that they want to be as positive as possible to the point that they tried to take down the faggots khyo and false?
Are you perhaps some kind of retard?

>>45115998
It's called "death by a thousand yabs" anon.
Zaion's whole case has the possibility of utterly destroying the reputation of the English branch.

does /vt/ still think NijiEN livers going out of their way to come /here/ to egosa aren't laughing on their way back to the bank
are you winning /vt/

>>45116186
But this death by a thousand yabs hasn't happened...in fact it shows they're only stronger post yab? How does this work

>>45116206
unless they are named riku i dont think any of them are making bank especially with how hard pomu told her viewers to buy voicepacks and skip merch

>>45116186
>>45116177
two more weeks!!!

>>45116206
ah yes, "laughing all the way to the bank"

>>45116206
NO THEY'RE SURELY ALL BROKE!!! THAT'S WHAT /#/S told us

>>45116273
I WAS TOLD THIS STREAM WOULD IMPACT THEIR REVENUE!!!!!!

>>45116246
>But this death by a thousand yabs hasn't happened
it did which is why there was a downswing on the revenue s graph for nijien but quickly recovered due to the luxiem anniversary
...in fact it shows they're only stronger post yab?
wdym? from what another anon said this was nov - jan right before the stream of yabs happened

>>45116246
Until she speaks her side, it's not a real yab yet

>>45115970
>>45111001
>>45101819

>>45116402
> 29th January
> report from November to January

>>45116484
Is January 29th not in January

>>45116261
do you perchance think rosemi's room contains no furniture

>>45116651
come back after finishing high school

>>45116439
3rd quarter revenue is higher than q2 which was higher than q1 which was higher than last year
This "death"seems like it's not happening like at all.

>>45116709
Surely this time they'll fail!!! I'm certain of it!!! I mean after all their revenue shows that they were very much in decline this quarter and was the worst quarter they've had so far...
Right?

>>45116712
dramabro is wrapped in a delusion. please understand

>>45116246
>in fact it shows they're only stronger post yab?
The wave of yabs happened in the last five weeks and aren't included yet dumbdumb. we won't know whether things are going to start trending down or not until they publish 23' q1 data, and even then if anything goes down it'll be because of the beginning of the decline of luxiem not anything that's happened with zaion.

realistically IF the zaion controversy has damaged nijisanji en it's not going to be detectable on shit like profit charts. it'll be felt more subtly through increasingly poor quality applicants as people with skill and pride avoid the yab machine of a branch leading to an extremely slow tapering off of figures that will likely only begin to take noticeable effect at the end of the year after multiple quarters. why the fuck am I wasting time on logic on this hellhole?

>>45116712
see
>>45098664
thats the total revenue anon which makes sense since nijijp doesnt have that many drama compared to nijien
revenue by vtuber fell q1-q2 for nijien which kinda falls in line with their recline in the chinese audience with the vox mama drama and mysta menhera drama that happened around sept-oct but bounced backed for q3 to luxiems anniversary and and 3d of lazulight

>>45116935
But according to numberbros the wave of yabs never ends! The discord leak, the manager leak, Enna offcollabing with Kyo, no en 3d concert, I keep getting told that this time will surely be their death!!!
I guess I'll just have to wait until zaion totally leaks everything because dramabros who are from south east Asia tell me that if you're American you can do whatever you want

>>45116935
Yeah, pretty much this time for sure.
And when June 15th comes, you will have a list of "new yab" to say that this time THESE will certainly make them decline and kill them.
If Luxiem anniversary can save them, don't forget they will likely have Luxiem's new outfit and Obsydia 3D this Q4.

>>45116177
It's a nijisister, of course it's retarded.

>>45105679
Yagoo is too softie. Nijisanji is what japanese entertainment industry actually is.

Anycolor now have its own school to recruit for their next vtubers, expand to the EN market agressively, and basically run popularity contest for the chance to participate in their Nijifes. Its more idol agency-like than the supposed "idol agency" that is Cover.

>>45117181
Along with potential 3d events for other waves as well. June is fairly far in the future, if en doesn't have another event by then I'll be shocked shitless.
There's also gonna be more events for JP in that time as well with a massive event happening in April

>>45116783
don't worry I'll be sure to quote your stupid post when it happens

>>45117181
>If Luxiem anniversary can save them, don't forget they will likely have Luxiem's new outfit and Obsydia 3D this Q4.
Nah if anything anycolor is banking on Nijijp for this quarter considering they cancelled the AR in order to diver resources to the jp concerts like hoshikawas
honestly a pretty good move by anycolor since they probably realize how much of a risk that branch is

>>45117414
make a compilation, anon

It's great to see NijiEN succeed financially. They took the ball that HoloEN dropped and they ran with it. NijiEN wasn't an overnight sensation, they had to work hard to build up their audience.

>>45117418
>they cancelled the AR in order to diver resources to the jp concerts like hoshikawas
A brand new headcanon.
I guess whatever helps your narrative is good, despite there being like 2 months between 3 concerts in Yokohama and the supposed ar live

>>45117418
As I said my other post, it's likely that we'll see both .
There'll be some large JP events but it's very likely that will also start seeing some large EN events .
And luxiem second outfits Will undoubtedly end up being a very large revenue for any color, people keep talking about the death of them but honestly yesterday's vox made over $10k on an ASMR stream .
Quite frankly You literally have to bury your Head in the sand in order to not see how much money EN brings in

>>45105042
Wait wait wait wait...
Look at Q1 2023 revenue for both companies.
Cover total - 3601
NijiEN - 1630

NijiEN on its own made half the revenue HoloJP, HoloEN, HoloID and Holostars made combined in that quarter. That's crazy little old puny NijiEN earning half of the entirety of Cover on its own.>>45104270

>>45117536
I mean luxiem outfits are a no brainer but seeing as how the females dont earn any good revenue for them compared to the males im highly skeptical of any large en events for them other than the usual 3d for obsydia and ethyria which they have to get out of the way in order for luxiem to have their own 3d
honestly wish they could just skip those 2 waves since they are just a waste of resources

>>45117740
oh actually now that you point that out why did nijiens revenue fall in q2? what happened

>>45117048
>I guess I'll just have to wait until zaion totally leaks everything because dramabros who are from south east Asia tell me that if you're American you can do whatever you want
kek people still think ndas are absolute. I mean sure some are but these are low tier contractor employees anon they're all under the basic bitch tier ndas that are easy as fuck to dance around.

hell pomu would've come close to breaking it today alone when talking about what gives her the most money. they're nowhere near as strong as you anons think they are, not the ones niji is using at any rate.

>>45117495
>>45117414
Please do, there are four major events happening in-between now and June 15 in Jp alone.
En will debut another wave
Luxiem will get second outfits
And at least one other wave is likely to get a 3d

It's pretty likely that quarter four will be even more successful. That's not mentioning any potential large events with EN which are very likely to happen. But hey I'm sure that that death of a thousand yabs will happen sometime soon, right?

>>45117830
That's why so many people employed by Japanese companies have danced around their NDA, right
You totally hear about that stuff every single day, right?
That's why she's already posted on her discord that she can't leak the full details of what happened...

But surely again somebody in Southeast Asia with no experience in law can tell me that it's inevitable that she will be the downfall of everything, because she's totally going to go scorched Earth and somehow avoid a lawsuit because in America you can't be touched by Japanese law or some shit .

>>45117740
I mean considering it was luxiems anniversary its no surprise that they earned a lot there which just proves the point that luxiem alone can carry nijien and that anons who cry about nijifemales being treated unfairly are retarded.

>>45117740
That's incredible really. Nobody would believe it if you just told them without the proof.

>>45117495
This thread is one of the easiest grudgepost materials for future reference, to the point where I have to think whether any of the posters defending NijiEN are actually their fans or not.
Then again, they're kinda dumb so they might actually be real fans.
Which will make it far more hilarious.

>>45111001
>>45117950
That isn't Luxiem's anniversary learn to read the graph.

>>45118032
Like I said, feel free to make that compilation .
One of the largest Japanese events is happening next quarter If you don't think that that's going to influence anything you are sorely mistaken, not to mention a huge boost in profit from another wave and a second outfit reveal for one of the biggest waves .
You're free to screenshot all this shit, I'll gladly see it in June when once again the prophet rises because this death of a thousand yabs doesn't really seem to be happening

>>45117516
HoloEN was covid in a bottle

>>45098571
It's over holobros...

>>45116935
>it'll be felt more subtly through increasingly poor quality applicants as people with skill and pride avoid the yab machine of a branch
I wouldn't be so sure. I saw NijiEN hopefuls being mad at Zaion for squandering what she was given. It just seemed to convince them that they would've been way better hires.
If anyone's getting filtered by this, it's those who never had any investment in the group to begin with and most likely applied for the noombers they saw in early 2022. Like Zaion, actually. I don't think I ever saw a Niji who cared less about Niji, and I like Ebio.

>>45118442
Yeah, I was even membered to her actually but I can honestly say that there is nobody that has ever been hired who had a bigger disinterest in being part of a corporation than she did. At least nobody comes to mind, I liked the girl and I hope that she finds some sort of success in the future and I'm sure that she will, but if there has ever been a hire who has been more disinterested, I think that would be hard pressed to find. Literally the only people who did not agree with the firing, were people here who were interested in the drama and trying to fuel it. It actually gives me a little bit of hope that perhaps the next hiring process will be a little bit more filtered since en has now lost two different people in less than 2 years

>>45098571
>Nijisanji Livestreaming in 2023
>871, 821, 815
what's going on here

>>45119369
From what I've seen, as more merchandise has been produced more frequently super chats in general and donations in general have gone down slightly while en is still making a lot of profit through other means. Which kind of makes sense seeing as there's literally a voice pack a month if not two, and merch that comes with that voice pack From time to time as well.
Also this quarter has had a lot less big events than the previous quarter.

>>45098571
Now, how do we get anycolor to invest in merch that isn't cuckchains and other plastic bs they be selling?

>>45106172
The audience pool has been gradually declining for both HoloEN and NijiEN. Doomposters are wrong but the people saying the EN decline is temporary are too optimistic.

i hate tribalfagging but this feels good to see when retarded small corpo bros have been acting big

>>45117948
Anon you are aware it's common practice for roommates to dogwhistle to their vtuber fandom and vice versa right?

zaion's already done plenty of it on her roommate's channel via selective youtube comment liking, some of which was very specific in nature and while it was grounds for contract termination nothing nda was invoked over it. If she chooese to go on a tangent about her last toxic workplace or how a 'friend' she met while away got bullied out of their job that nda ain't going to do shit. It's a basic bitch tier nda.
>huehuehue she's not going scorched earth
Don't care never said she would nor does it disprove any of what I've said about the nda not being nearly as watertight as idiots /here/ think it is. Besides if she does the smart thing she'll let it go, not because of the nda but because the mob will get bored eventually unless she feeds it.

>>45123066
I get what you're saying but I also think that if she has two brain cells left she'll drop it because that'll just end up causing more problems for her in the future .
I don't know what their NDA disclosed but I will say that while breaking NDA isn't necessarily breaking the law if they could prove that that could potentially target investors or damage their reputation in the future that could easily result in a lawsuit. And regardless of what people say about how she might be American and protected from that, there is a reason why nobody breaks NDA. If you agree to an NDA no sane lawyer on earth will tell you "oh yeah you're totally fine to violate that if they fire you" because it opens up a can of worms that You will be liable for.
Regardless of how "watertight" you think that it is. Seriously, talk to a lawyer.

Oh no no no, what happen holobros, we were so close at some point

>>45113288
The world is literally in economic collapse any moment now, brainlet

>>45124024
>this is how winning looks like

>>45121601
Pretty much this
Once you realize half the catalog shitters and thread raiders are small corpofags things start to make a lot of sense

>>45121601
Small corpos are eating into holo fanbase much harder than niji fanbase. People are getting tired of holoEN not streaming.

I'm honestly baffled. How the fuck is NijiEN generating so much revenue? No wonder they let them run like chimpanzee's with undies on their heads, management really can't do shit to them because they're golden tickets, and half of them wish they WEREN'T with their fanbases being what they are

So NijiEN probably makes more money than HoloEN does as a branch right?

>>45124602
People who were tired of HoloEN not streaming were the people who left for NijiEN ages ago. NijiEN is more likely to bleed to small corpos because Nijifags are less loyal to begin with (since there's a culture of caring only about the livers you like) and care more about streams. The HoloEN fanbase is full of clipfags who don't watch streams, unironically.
>>45089323
Just look at this thread, it's full of Nijifags who were ex-Holofags and moved on to small corpos

>>45125315
>Just look at this thread, it's full of Nijifags who were ex-Holofags and moved on to small corpos
lmao, the thing is nijiENmales chink fujo are where the money at, 3rd world shitter fans of nijiENfemale mean jackshit

>>45125426
I mean you're right, but the fujos don't post on this site and they don't have small corpos to move to so they're pretty much stuck with NijiEN unless they get bored
>Inb4 Tempus
Different audience

>>45098664
It's surprising that shill streams are still such a low proportion of their revenue it feels like they do quite a few.

>>45124927
NijiEN on its own made almost half the revenue of all of Cover combined in 2023 Q1.
>Cover total - 3601
>NijiEN - 1630
Refer to graph here. >>45105042

>>45126503
> still no source for "Cover"'s graph

>>45098571
Quick, someone photoshop 90% of NijiEN to be explicitly Vox.

>>45099487
It's their tradition anon
Blood sacrifice for acceleration

>>45099487
Yeah, I'm sure a solo graduation of a talent that lasted 2 months will eclipse Idios debut in the results.

>>45128547
If we're being quite honest it wasn't even two months .
Before her temporary suspension, she had about a total of 14 streams because she spent 2 weeks on break almost immediately after debut. Also four of which were privated at one point in time, so you had a total of 10 streams which is honestly less than some of the streamers in the branch have in a week

>>45124927
Much more.

>>45126940
What? The source if Cover themselves. They recently published it in preparation for their own IPO.
https://disclosure2dl.edinet-fsa.go.jp/searchdocument/pdf/S100Q9LC.pdf
Scroll down to page 30

The instant deafening silence of catalogshitters the moment this dropped...

I'm still unsettled about the whole Zaion thing, but the silence makes it easier to think.

>>45130013
Happens when all ammunition they had was based on "Anycolor not doing as well as expected"
Yeah, they didn't do as well as they expected, they did better. Miles better.

>>45130013
It's really funny I scrolled and there are a few deflection threads but they're getting shit for posts in them and only bumped about once an hour. It just makes me realize how much of the constant bait and shitposting is done by numberfags and with both companies now being public and it being revealed that NijiEn is more profitable than Holoen, it becomes that much harder to make bait

Doesn't look like this thread will survive until the Tokyo Stock Exchange resumes trading to see how the stock price reacts. 4:30am JST currently, morning session starts in 4 and half hours at 9am.

>>45130440
Honestly who gives a fuck about the stocks though. The JP stock market is a mess right now and everyone agrees anycolors stock was overvalued as fuck. Even if it goes up it'll go down in a week or less

>>45124927
More livers = more money for the most part. And Anycolor SHOULD be making more than double the money that Cover makes considering the number of talents they have and how long they've been in the business.
The fact of the matter is that it's surprisingly close.
Cover SHOULDN'T be even in competing range of income with less than half the number of talents that Anycolor has. Yet they are only trailing them by a little bit. If they ever get MORE than them, that would be quite concerning for Anycolor.
Also Cover is investing their money into stuff like 3D Lives, Custom merch, HoloAlt media, HoloEarth and most recently a fresh new 3D Studio.
Anycolor isn't doing any of that. They're getting all the fat checks but they're just holding on to all that money for some reason. What do they want to do with a large stockpile of money?

>>45098664
>livestreaming revenue down despite a new gen and Luxiem anniversary
uh oh
Q4 with all the breaks, the suspensions and the drama might not be looking great

>>45131082
I'll screenshot this and come back in June. After 4 major events, new outfits and a new wave.

>>45131055
Thanks for informing us you don't know shit about what Anycolor has been doing and just regurgitated the same shit spammed on /#/ daily. Stay mad, Niji-anti drone.

>>45131260
Q4 ends in April
Japanese fiscal year and all that

>>45131055
>Cover is investing their money into (...)
>Anycolor isn't doing any of that.
Yes they are.
They have 2 3D studios, they make 3D concerts, they developed their AR Live tech, they also make custom merch.

>>45116261
Millie showed she makes around 8k USD from views alone, not counting membership and SC money.
They do make bank, a corpo vtuber can easily surpass the bar needed to live from livestreaming.

>>45131693
That number should also be including superchats and memberships

>>45131055
>Anycolor isn't doing any of that. They're getting all the fat checks but they're just holding on to all that money for some reason. What do they want to do with a large stockpile of money?
I have to wonder do you guys ever actually check the numbers match with what you say before you say this stuff? You would think Cover was spending everything and had nothing on hand the way you are describing it but no they are sitting on $54 million in Cash while Anycolor has $76 million. The difference isn't even that massive. If anything its probably about proportional to the amount they make.

>>45132209
20 mil is a big difference

>>45132350
When you consider it in the context of how much revenue they actually bring in Cover is holding a larger proportion in Cash compared to Anycolor rather than the other way around like you were saying.

Anycolor revenue 2023 up to Q3 19,407,000,000
Anycolor Cash as of end of Q3 10,155,190,000
The amount of cash they are holding is equivalent to 52.32% of the revenue they made this year so far.

Cover revenue 2023 up to Q3 12,801,000,000
Cover Cash as of end of Q3 7,341,495,000
The amount of cash they are holding is equivalent to 57.35% of the revenue they made this year so far.

>>45132946
I wasn't the original anon I'm just saying that like $20 mil isn't a small difference, especially in japan

>>45133030
I didn't say it was small, I said it isn't massive. The way anon was describing it, it makes it sound like Cover is reinvesting everything in their business while Anycolor isn't doing any of that. It sounds like you would expect a massive difference like Cover to have a few million in Cash only compared to Anycolor having their $70 million. But its what Cover have around 75% of Anycolor's Cash on hand despite making much less money.