/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>45078245
proof?

Timestamp or gtfo

meanwhile, holo talents get a 0% cut for merch or anything else that isn't superchats.

>>45078245

>>45078245
It's youtube cut vs. production/shipping costs

everybody already knew that?

>Riku's yatch
h-hot

>>45078604
For hololive, the conventional wisdom is merch > superchats.

>>45078245
Everyone already knew this, multiple NijiJP have said this before

>>45078327
Stream is still ongoing but it happened about an hour ago

>>45078741
Because in Hololive, the talents fund the merch and production, so they end up getting a bigger cut of the sales.
In Niji (at least EN), the livers don't fund anything, the company just slaps their face/name on generic merch that the company pays to produce, and the livers get a small cut of the profit.

>>45078741
It's speculation for the most part

>>45078604
Holos have repeatedly stated that merch is the best way to support them, and people assumed it applied to nijis too not realizing that nijisanji is a Riku's yacht first company

>>45078245
Really? Wouldn't that make her earn about as much as Pippa? That's fucking funny.

>>45078865
that seems counter intuitive though? merch costs money to actually make and all of that so like if you spend $10 on some merch some cut of that is going to the design of it, the manufacture of it and so on, probably more than the 30% youtube takes as a cut of superchat

>>45078865
Merch isn't the best way to support them when shipping prices are like this though

>>45078942
No, she's talking about percentage cuts, not how much she's made.

>>45078977
If you're selling merch and 70 percent of it gets lost to middlemen you need to come up with a better business model

>>45079054
I mean youtube takes 30% of superchat I would have assumed all the design and manufacturing for merch would cost at least 30% of the overall price of the merch if its custom stuff like holos get?

>>45079054
He said 30% not 70%

How do I skip the middleman and fund Riku's yatch directly?

>>45079054
That 70% includes Anycolor's cut, so 30% would still be going to the liver, versus 35% for superchats/memberships, and 50% for streamlabs/voicepacks.

>>45078838
We've gotten unique merch already like the Petra hoodie, though idk if custom merch=self funded merch. I know some of the Ex-KR members have put out custom merch recently.

The VP's are apparently the best revenue for the members I've heard though. They should bring back the custom ones they did for the first 2 EN waves.

>>45078865
Niji's have other stuff that they make good money on though. They have streamlabs to circumvent the youtube 30% cut and they have way more voicepacks than hololive members also circumventing the 30% cut and thats what they usually recommend you spend your money on.

>>45079016
Wait, I thought Hololive eliminated shipping costs or something?

>>45078408
Sounds made up since we've got many talents taking breaks, playing games they can't monetize and no shift or urgency to do longer streams, beg for superchats and read all superchats if that is considered their primary income. Just seems like a Niji thing.

>>45078408
Proof?

>>45078408
They get a better merch split than nijis, and they get salaries.

>>45079265
So like every other agency? That doesn't tell you anything about how and where they're getting the majority of their money from. I imagine for most Vtubers memberships are a bigger source of income vs superchats.

>>45079265
Both company livers are pretty similar on that front, except NijiEN one stream more

>>45079325
Better merch split because they have to fund the merch themselves upfront.

>>45078245
https://twitter.com/Vamp_Kuzu/status/1130702535147188224?
Nijis don't get a cut of merch, I thought we knew this already

>>45078408
Considering Ina told her viewers to stop superchatting and instead invest it in merch, I'm thinking you're full of fucking shit as usual, you faggot Nijinigger.

I would post the come home meme if Pomu was not a... you know

>>45079409
Yes but unfortunately most nijifags are ex holofags and so assume nijisanji works like Hololive

>>45078852
How is this speculation? Did you contrast one of the confirmed income of one of the vtubers with their superchat, potential ad revenue and membership because it doesn't seem to add up once you take into account youtube cut and Cover cut? You are telling me that one vtuber, I think it was Lamy but could be wrong, who has $1.5m annual got that all from just membership, superchats and casual revenue and not a significant cut from their merch sales at all?

>>45079325
its swings and roundabouts really the voicepacks niji members get like monthly or every other month cost nothing to make, have no platform fees and they get 50% of the revenue while holo members hardly do those voicepacks in comparison

>>45079412
Is this the same Ina who doesn't know how much money she has and lives like a vagrant?

Niji defense force fighting! (^o^)7

>>45078245
So that explains why Mysta only paid 21k in taxes last year

>>45079575
The money nijifags paid for pomu's merch is going to fund interns to damage control on /vt/, say hi to your money nijifags

>non parasocial streamers
>main income comes from voice packs

>>45079483
Never said it wasn't significant, but once you add production and shipping costs it's not clear cut that merch is better than superchats if you only care about your oshi's cut

>>45079501
Do they get decent income in absolute terms from those?

>>45078245
>>45078311
>>45078327
https://files.catbox.moe/33y8k4.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/33y8k4.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/33y8k4.mp4

>>45079665
>nijisanji is not a parasocial company
AND OTHER HILARIOUS JOKES NIJI LIVERS WISHED WERE TRUE

>>45078245
>Pomu can reveal inside knowledge and nothing happens
>but Zaion makes a joke and gets unpersoned
Ogey

>they think the nijisanji cookie cutte merch costs a lot
roru
rumao even
This is why nijisanji is winning

>>45079758
Everyone already knew this, NijiJPs have said this many times in the past

>>45079783
How is that a flex?

Don't care mate, I am not their accountant. They're big boys and girls, they signed a contract.

>>45079802
If everyone already knew this the niji defence force wouldn't be in this thread

>>45078245
BLACK ASS GORILLA COMPANY

>>45079783
Riku hands typed this

>>45079889
The niji defense force does not watch streams.

>>45079697
cant really get abolsute numbers can you but i mean some of them have funded entire careers off them mayuzumi from NijiJP made most of his money off them, didn't accept superchats or have memberships, and could still afford to donate $100k from his vtuber earnings to charity

>>45079325
>and they get salaries.
nothing in their financial report indicated this, already discussed go read the archive

>>45078245
https://twitter.com/Vamp_Kuzu/status/1130702535147188224?

>>45079802
>b-bro everyone knew this t-trust me
Ogey intern.

Is this why nijiniggers keep talking about the superchats?

>>45078245
Miko's b-day limited set had an initial stock of 5400/600 on holoshop/gj. It sold out on the holoshop in 4 minutes and on geekjack in 10 minutes moving a minimum of $792,000 worth of merch. and this is only the limted set, we don't know how many was in total. the lion's share of that money goes to Miko's pocket. Nijisanji is a black company

>>45079987
I was there for that, I really don't want to relive that experience.

>>45079501
NTA but I think a lot of people are missing the forest from the trees here. Pekora's merch run from last year (back when you could cheese Covers website to see their stock) earned her a solid million. Even runts like Aki and Choco push upwards to 50k-100k on stupid shit like cook books. There's a reason why Kson couldn't continue on as an indie despite her SCs being solid even after she graduated, she needed help in merch distribution and connections that only a corpo could give her (one of the few things I'll commend VS management for). Hell, you can even look outside of the vtuber industry and refer to irl events like when George Lucas outsmarted fox by surrendering box office sales for his star wars films in return for merchandising rights. Merch is and should always be your top source of income assuming you have the means to produce it. Hell, the nijigirls and boys earn a lot from SC and streamlabs but it sure as hell ain't touching a mil in less than a month, especially with the general recline of SC culture across the board.

>>45078245
This kind of model is common in most of the entertainment industry. Even most major bands have 360 deals now, so when you buy a 1975 shirt, most of the money goes to Warner.

>>45080021
And Miko funded that merch production herself, so obviously she would get a greater cut of it. Niji livers don't fund anything, everything is handled with the company, and just get a paycheck without having to put up any money themselves

>>45079987
All I see in the archive is a bunch of nijiniggers circle jerking over a line item in the financial report because they don't understand what personnel cost means

>>45079889
its common knowledge within the niji fandom that voice packs are what the streamers say are the best way to support them
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkVYRpDtrNY
here is maria for example saying the best way to support NijiEN members is streamlabs and voicepacks

I guess that's why only a few of them played Elden Ring. They need those SCs

Stealth suspension incoming for revealing confidential business information

>>45079992
>8:11 AM · May 21, 2019

>>45080093
I think if you offered most nijis the chance to pay for their own merch in exchange for gargantuan profits, they'd take that deal in an instant.

>>45080027
i wasn't talking about streamlabs or superchat in that post? i was talking about digital merchandise, its like physical merch but better because it costs nobody anything to make

If pomu doesn't stream for the next few days, you know why

>>45080211
Selen actually wanted to do that and was told no.

>>45080211
Of course, but NijiEN staff don't seem interested in allowing the EN livers to do custom merch

>>45079749
>not a nuvaring for carefree creampies.

>>45079207
iirc some of them vagueposted (i think this was selen) that whenever they invest in something they dont expect to get a full return or compensated with that investment
that something was thought to be their own projects but from the looks of things custom merch might also fall into this category now

How is this controversial?

Try buying things because you like them, you don't need to tell yourself you're supporting someone.

>>45080211
i think they would rather you buy voicepacks still though? it costs them nothing to make up front, there is no platform fee and they get half of all the profit from it, like if you think about it it makes sense

if you spend $100 on voicepacks (digital merch) that costs nothing to make they just record it on a mic in their roorm, its pure profit, if you spend $100 physical merch that actually costs money to manufacture, $100 spent on something that costs nothing to manufacture is always more profitable than $100 spent on something that costs money to manufacture

>>45080680
Except NijiEN has not had any custom merch at all, staff won't allow them.

She was saying best bang for your buck.
>streamlabs
50/50 or close to it
>SCs
30%-35%
>voicepacks
Dunno, they stress this hard on the JP side so it is probably good.
>merch
Close to zero if the JP livers are to be believed.

Dunno why nigs are bringing up hololive as if this was a competition. No one here is paid by either so shove your console war faggotry up your ass.

>>45080695
>How is this controversial?
because some of the newer retarded nijisanji fans actually thought that livers get good cuts on their merch deals even though anyone who watched and followed jp knew otherwise

>>45080900
>Except NijiEN has not had any custom merch at all
luxiem

>>45080234
My B. I was trying to qoute the dude you replied to. Anyway, my point is that Merch is and should always be your top source of income. And yes, when I say merch I'm also including VPs and shit. The fact that Pomu specifically pointed out SC/streamlabs as their go to source instead of VPs is just weird. I would expect that from someone working for jewcorp or Kawaii who needs to milk SCs and Subathons. Not from someone working for Nijisanji that isn't even a shitter to boot.

>>45080904
She said streamlabs and voicepack are the same level, so it's:
Streamlabs/Voicepack: 50%
Superchats/Memberships: 35% (YT 30%, AC 35%)
Merch: <35% (The livers don't fund the merch, the company handles everything)

>>45081034
They don't say supeerchat/streamlabs as their go to source
>>45080119
voicepacks and streamlabs are what they make the best money on percentage wise

>>45080973
Nope. All their merch is generic group merch handled by the company, not anything the livers specifically funded to have made.

>>45079744
ok so merch is actually all going to chin man? fuck that guy.

>>45080831
The amount of money they make also matters. Nobody seems to be buying enough voicepacks to turn them into millionaires, regardless of how little overhead there is. Holos can chase the stuff fans will buy. Besides, holos probably get at least half the profit from merch too.

>>45081034
Pomu DID say that voicepacks (and streamlabs) are the top, superchats is under that (because YT 30% cut)

>>45081083
>>45080904
voicepacks are one of the things thats actually been officially disclosed by anycolor as being a 50/50 split

>>45079265
That happens in NijiJP

>>45079514
You mean like asmongbald?

>>45079577
He was paying taxes for the year before last year, when he hasn’t debuted in niji yet. Do you really not know how tax return works?

>>45078245
Niji Sanji's largest source of income is voice packs.

Sasuga black company, their merch is literally just have 0 production cost it's just a A4 size illustration made into keychains and pins.

>>45080831
If people were willing to drop $500 on VPs compared to merch, almost certainly, but they don't. Unique merch and special occasions does drive people to buy. The profit margins for vtuber goods are usually like 300% though, since people will pay the premium. But again, you still contend with the fact that someone who dropped $500 on your birthday goods isn't as likely to drop another $500 on your stream than if they didn't.

>>45079483
How many times are people going to repeat this? This is the same shit with Yagoo claiming Cover's revenue again. She said 4桁, i.e., 10m to 99m in taxes.

>>45079412
Pretty sure Ina just wants her viewers to spend wisely
Knowing her, she would rather put more effort into goods or merch

>>45081255
Not sure why Pomu wouldn't lead with that. Honestly this is the first time I am ever hearing that anything is better than voice packs from livers. It's always the first thing they stress.

>>45081510
pretty sure she did?
>>45081238

I mean how is this not surprising considering roboco one of the lowest holos was able to buy a house while most of the nijien females complain from time to time on how they cant afford basic stuff like a rice cooker or a car

>>45080157
None of this is new information, this is known for years by jp fans even if we dont know the exact percentage of merch
Streamlabs, voicepacks, SC, merch (merch above all others if its custom merch, but EN don't have that)

>>45081231
For the sake of clarity on one thing here: we don't know their profit margins, we would need to know every other expense between design, production, storage and distribution. It's 50% after everything. They don't sell 1 million in merch and put 500 thousand in their pockets. This is true for literally anything that comes up in this thread, regardless of company.
VPs are extremely profitable because production and distribution costs are probably covered in less than 200 sales.

>>45081238
Wait so her voice pack only earned as much as her streamlabs last month?
How much was her streamlabs

>>45081468
sasuga retard seeing birthday merch and thinking it represents everything

>>45078838
Have you even check out Niji merch? It's either stolen branded goods rip off or a A4 size Illustration made into pins and keychains.

>>45081644
not what she said

>>45081644
She's talking about percent cut, not amount.

>>45081644
nobody is talking about the absolute amount they earn, we are talking about the percentage of it that goes to the member

>>45081574
Roboco one of the lowest holos still is more popular than most nijien girls so this isnt a good comparison

>>45079744
>>45078245
This is just saying the obvious.
If you spend $100 on some merch with $50 shipping then they are getting a cut of the $100 and not $150.
So they are losing money from shipping costs that could potentially otherwise go directly to them.

>>45081644
She's talking about percentage cuts, not how much money she's earned. Streamlabs and Voicepacks are 50/50 split with the company.

>>45081767
I was somewhat.

>>45081420
>when he hasn’t debuted in niji yet
he actually did and his tax was near equal to the amount for just his superchat earnings for 3 months

>>45081694
>thinking it represents everything
It's literally everything you fucking retard. Stop larping Holobronies.

>>45081705
Yeah, and the company all takes care of that. So the livers are basically getting money for free.

>>45081644
shes talking about percentage cut, retard

Streamlabs is the biggest, then Voice packs (50/50), then YT (30/30/30, 10% goes to taxes for both agency and liver), then merch (which we dont know the exact percentage, but we know its lower than those)
then there's membership, membership gift, adsense, sponsorship and other avenues

>>45079802
>Everyone already knew this
No they doesn't nijiintern trannie, now it confirmed buying merchs are directly funding riku yacht

This sounds bad but logically it makes sense considering the talents involvement in merch is probably slim to none whereas the other avenues are directly involving their efforts, I imagine this is the case for most of if not all agencies not even just vtuber ones.

>>45081238
See that's the thing that confuses me. If I'm eyeballing it, I'm pretty sure that even at her peak, pomu was making well over 15k for streamlabs alone. But that was her peak though. I doubt any of the nijigirls make anywhere near what they used to once the hardline unicorns migrated. Are you telling me that VPs only get them that much AT BEST?

>>45078408
Ame said she got more from merch.

>>45081907
And getting a little money for nothing is better than getting a ton of money for something?

With merch there are actual production costs, so it makes sense that the percentage is lower. That's probably the case for all parties involved.

>>45081889
Its not literally everything. What youre talking about is birthda merch, but in voice packs and other merch you get a lot more than just that, even if they also come in those. Last one just had a plushie bear

>>45081998
No. Again, read. She's talking about how much of a percentage cut the livers get, nothing about how much overall money they make.

>>45081971
If they want to be hands on and aren't allowed to because anycolor would rather make more money, it's kinda bad.

>>45082022
Voicepacks and streams are things the livers actually put work into, and those are the ones they get the largest cut from.

>>45078977
>merch costs money to actually make
That's why they first work out the design and production costs. The talent cover the necessary commisions.
Once finalized, they reveal and open up orders during a big stream.
Take orders for a couple of weeks.
Manufacture and deliver 4 months later.

>>45081969
This doesn't confirm anything, retard, when this has been known for years.
They get less cut because they dont fund the merch, thats why when they fund the merch, they get more. Other than that, merch has less cut but htey get it for free because the company is the one paying for it.
and if you think this shit is going to riku you have to be retarded, that pays the produciton of the merch

ITT: actually retarded anons who don't know what profit margins are. To the brave folks trying to drill this into their brains, just give up.

So it's normal? Merch is optional and its shipping cost is way too high to support them, on the other hand, the voice pack is cheap, and you can buy more than one if you want to give them more money

>>45082090
Except Hololive. Where the talents can make an easy 6 figures with a single merch release because Cover doesn't take all the money for themselves to fund a yacht collection.

>>45082516
Yeah, I'm sure they put every single penny from those sales in their pockets and don't pay shit to the people who produced, transported, stored and handled it before sales.

>>45082516
In Hololive, the talents have to put up the money for the merch production.

>>45082318
If that's true then any color wouldn't be making any profit off the merch. Which would be insane

>>45078852
My oshi IRyS encourage people to buy merch since we also get something in return. I don't think it's a speculation thing anymore

>>45082516
I'm not sure if you're just pretending but I'm talking about percentage cuts and not total sums. Percentage cuts won't matter if you sell a gazillion units.
Of fucking course there's less of a margin when you're producing actual tangent objects, and this is precisely what I am talking about.

>>45081789
Anon give me your bank account number, I want to transfer some money to you to get you back to highschool, this is fucking embarrassing

>>45082868
remember that is the same people that thinks Scarle is making more money than Suisei only because she gets more SC every month.

>>45082864
It does matter if nijis aren't allowed to get a good cut for the stuff that sells a gazillion units and holos are.

>>45082864
The percentage cut IS different for Hololive. They are allowed to fund their own merchandise and take the lion's share from it. Nijisanji does not allow you to do this. Nijisanji decides what merchandise they want to sell and that's the end of the discussion. Sure, they pay for it, but would you rather get nothing for doing nothing or get millions for spending thousands? This shit isn't complicated.

>Zaion graduation
>finana accidentally doxes scarle
>nijinigs harass ren for not dogpiling Zaion
>pomu reveals that merch supports the company not the talent
>all this in the past month
Are holofags tired of winning yet?

Here's something. If superchats are so important then why did the 2 top superchatted vtubers of Hololive when they left, go back to a corpo gig soon after? Without Covers cut, they should get significantly more money out of it. Why would they jump back to another corpo if not for more money from so other source that is more lucrative than superchats? It's like people assumed there was a non-compete clause while argues said there wasn't until we got proof of it later by other vtuber news. Their silent actions prove, at least in Hololive, superchats aren't a significant portion of their money. You could argue other stuff like membership since that isn't as cut and dry and hard to prove the actual number. Just guesses based on likes in member post from people that give time to click but most don't. Fauna as an example doesn't usually have member post likes go above 1k unless it's for something really interesting. Then you've got a poll that shows she has at least over 5k+ members that voted for it. Even your best guess without some massive leak happening later, is probably underestimating where a bulk of their money comes from because each one might have different sources they rely on more than others.

>>45083208
If the EN livers were allowed to fund their own custom merch, I'm sure some would jump at it, but unfortunately EN staff won't let them.

>>45082516
Why this keep being said? that happens because a lot of them are merch PADI by the talent. Just like how in Nijisanji the option exists outside of EN and they get more.

>>45083326
>finana accidentally doxes scarle

Wait, how did this happen, I missed that

>>45079744
Actual black company shit

>>45082791
They put physical merchandise and digital merchandise in the same ballpark in their financials so its hard to say, but they probably make more profit on voice packs just like the livers do, as theres no distribution costs or any of that, so

>>45083326
>>finana accidentally doxes scarle
I thought this one is just a rrats.
Or is it actually true, but Nijimeido delete all of proof faster than Zion termination?

>>45083517
Because NijiEN isn't allowed to do that. Selen tried. A lot of people actually believe they are supporting their oshi by buying 100 acrylic stickers. They mistakenly assume that the merch situation is the same as it is in Hololive, and it comes as a rude wakeup call when they find out otherwise.

>>45078245
Don't know what people expected from merch return to the livers
>They don't pay for the production
>Their exclusive characteristic is not present: The voice

Which is why VP was always viewed as the best way to support them, but having her rank streamlabs higher is the big shocker, I expected the company cut to be more relevant there.

ARE YOU LISTENED YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ATTENTION WHORING SUPERCHATTERS?
Donate through fucking streamlabs, stop caring about your rainbow colored message.

>>45083326
>>pomu reveals that merch supports the company not the talent
She didn't reveal anything, this is known for years already, retard.
And this isnt about merch supporting the company but being the least percentage out of them. Their percentage seems to be from 25% to 20% if they are below SC
>>45083208
That's untrue. You can have paid merch by the own member in Nijisanji too, just not in NijiEN.

>>45079744
Best bang for your buck that makes sense.
Merch takes money to make and ship.
That doesn't mean that they aren't getting their fair cut.

>>45083760
But then they cant ride Voxs SC dick in /#/

>>45083735
I know, anon, but NijiEN is just one branch, not all nijisanji. Even ID/KR can have it, probably because they are now under the main branch

>>45079758
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others

>>45083766
>That's untrue. You can have paid merch by the own member in Nijisanji too, just not in NijiEN.
That's fair. Generally when people talk about Nijisanji on this board they are referring to NijiEN. People usually specify NijiJP when they mean the main branch. I know that isn't objectively the correct thing to do, but that's how it is.

>>45083766
Glad JP gets a better deal

>>45083208
>>45083418
the "best" nijiEN got in terms of doing their own merch is Illutration for Anniversary merch
So I assume there some bigger cut on those, but I doubt an "lazulight eggs T-shirt" drawn by Elira gave her more money than a single run of any Voice pack

>>45083971
Some members talked more in depth about monetization, you can find somewhat recent translated clips from Deron and Gundou talking about stuff and it's not much different from what Pomu said. VPs are the best cut by a wide margin, JP usually don't have streamlabs so they didn't list it but you could assume it's very close to VP margins. I would imagine people who are signed with a recording label also get a decent amount from that if the sales are good.

>>45078245
>Revealing internal information that can potentially cause issues for stakeholders during her stream
no...not again..

A thread full of dishonest Nijinigs...

>>45084396
They can't keep their mouths shut for a week, can't they?

>>45084501
What, in your opinion, are the lies?

>>45083849
meanwhile a Luca paypig kept giving him 1k+ per donation for months
and if mysta can buy land on the UK imagine how much money this aussie cunt has

>>45084320
That's not custom merch chosen by the liver, that was staff asking them to draw something to put on merch that staff chose.

>>45078408
No they don't. Altare, Magni, Mori, Ame, and Vesper have all said they get more money from mech then SCs/memberships.

Nijitrannies (yes they are real trannies) are using the dox website to circlejerk for Anycolor and talking shit at their talents. Absolutely embarrassing

another day another niji L
LMAO

But Selen said she gets a lot from merch and constantly thank fagoons for buying the merch? Who is lying? Is it Pomu again? I thought you fags parrot that she's the "good one"

>>45082868
What did he say that was wrong, exactly? A voice pack doesn't have shipping costs involved so is obviously better value to support the liver.

They still make lots of money, who cares where it's coming from

>>45085389
What Pomu said reflects that JPs have said as well, so Selen would be the one lying.

>>45085618
Pomu is a liar.

>>45085973
Point stands.

>>45078245
>>45079744
>receiving free money makes you richer than exchanging money for goods
who'd've thunk

That's obvious. If the company handles the cost of production and distribution, of course they'd get all/most of the money from it.
It's also why merch the girls produce themselves(Ie. voice packs) gets them the most money.
Probably works exactly the same way in Hololive

>>45085389
Why YOU lying about what Selen said?
The only thing she says when shilling the merch is that fans buying it give her more opportunities to new merch
aka "buy this garbage so the company values me more and we get actual interesting merch"

>>45086239
Many holos have said to purchase merch instead of sending SCs and that it's more beneficial for both parties that way

SHU 3.5K DORYAAAAAAA

>>45086239
In Hololive, most of the merch is funded by the talents themselves, so they get a bigger cut of it in the end. Put more money in -> get more money out.
Whereas, like you said, in Niji the talents don't put anything in, they only get a smaller cut the company gives them.

>>45086463
Yea, that's because they get a better cut than nijisanji.
But in general, merch they produce themselves will get a bigger cut than merch handled by the corpo.

>>45086463
as said time and time again ITT
Hologirls get to produce/design merch in return bigger cut for them
Nijisanji EN mostly get factory-like acrylics and badges produced by the company

>>45086598
Even if they don't put a single cent in it they probably get a higher volumes of sales so it's more money in their pockets anyways.

>>45085389
>But Selen said she gets a lot from merch and constantly thank fagoons for buying the merch?
Yes but she said on her membership stream that she wish for more merch aka actual GOOD merch instead of copypasted chink keychains and generic stans... she even draw the merch she will never have and lamented that
Retarded faggot

Don't holos have to pay out of pocket for their music videos?

>>45086598
Yeah, exactly

>>45086646
And it's also been said, over and over again, that that's an insanely good deal compared to what the njijs get.

>>45086646
Holos also get merch produced by the company anon, Acrylics and that shit.

>>45086862
Don't they all unless they're are music focused like Kamitsubaki?

>>45086862
Everyone in Nijisanji has to pay for it too anon, except on original songs like DCL.

So for anyone talking "but niji are getting money for free" because they don't put money in production
This is about
>"the biggest bank for your buck" - Pomu Rainpuff
humble talents would prefer to the fans to spend wisely
I myself hate when people gift me expensive shit I will not use, unless your oshi is a evil cunt, she probably prefer you support her wisely, so get that VP instead when you open the soulless nijistore

>>45086862
UMG paid for Mori's MVs. Marine had to pay out of pocket for hers.

Source Given: Made it up

>>45086646
as said time and time again, nijisanji get custom merch funded by the company too, theres plenty of examples without being acrylics or badges, including very recent merchandise.
custom merch can be made both by the company and paid by the talent, except in nijien, but true for JP/ID/KR who had funded custom merch by the own member

>>45087124
Thanks for confirming that Pomu lied again

>>45087078
Voice packs are 'the best bang for your buck' because they can produce them entirely by themselves, which nets them probably 100% or close of the profit, and there's no shipping costs involved.

>>45087324
Where's the lie?

>>45087078
but Holos also get merch made by the company, so they get "money for free" and huge cut whit the personalized merch they fund themselves

>>45087521
>Source Given: Made it up
>>45087124

>>45087570
go ask your holo oshi which of the two merchs she would prefer you buy

>>45087078
>If your oshi is an evil cunt
So when is she stopping streaming and stop taking avantage of the friend simulator experience she's providing?

>>45087570
Yes, that's where NijiEN loses out, because NijiEN staff are retarded and don't allow the livers to have custom merch. They even shoot down acrylic stands, it's so stupid.

>>45087124
How dare that dastardly Pomu lie again. She can't keep getting away with it. https://files.catbox.moe/33y8k4.mp4

>>45087606
It's right here, retard.
>>45079744
And this reflects things that NijiJP livers have also said, which is why nobody here is surprised.

>>45078245
No wonder anycolor went hard on Luxiem merch, never forget how many fujos buy merch in bulks
I will never forget the image of a Oliver Evans fan with a room full of dozens of the same merch

>>45087946
Especially Chinese fujos. It actually freaks Chinese normies out how extreme consoomers there can get.

>>45087946
It was all gacha merch too

so why Holos don't use streamlabs? it could be 50/50 cut, it's a win win for cover and the liver.

>>45087124
So you're calling pomu a liar?

>>45087141
>but true for JP/ID/KR who had funded custom merch by the own member
Do you mean that monthly gacha booth merch?

>>45088439
Coco tried to push streamlabs way back in the day, but it never took off for some reason.

>>45088613
I think I've seen Kaela using it on her streams but I'm not sure

>>45088439
We don't know. They have used them in the past for ID back when Indonesia was unable to superchat. Perhaps they have a deal worked out with Youtube that allows Cover to take a larger cut, in return for not using third parties. A deal like that could be possible, since Hololive brings in a lot of superchats already and does have room to negotiate. But there is no evidence whatsoever so it is the lowest tier of rrat.

>>45087666
Whether it was hololive or Nijisanji the talent would have to dodge a question asking about the cut for standard merch vs custom birthday merch. If either corpo wanted that information to be public they would have released it a long time ago.

>>45088922
Ah right, IDs use it because (up until somewhat recently) Superchats were not available in Indonesia. Streamlabs never really took off in JP/EN though.

>>45088613
Perhaps people SC more than they would donate on streamlabs?

>>45088942
At least back when Coco was around, her channel got special features that others didn't have (I think it was a VPN chat filter?) which is why the Chinese bots couldn't wheelbarrow her channel.

No wonder they all have to stay as wagies

>>45089974
They don't though. Other than the ones still in university, the rest are all full-time streamers.

>>45079744
she's gonna get in trouble for this isn't she...

>>45090150
No, as many NijiJPs have said the same thing

>>45090218
No, she's going to get in trouble because, before, it wouldn't be a point of contention. Now? It's going to hurt their ego. Whoever calls the shots at Nijisanji is obviously sensitive.

>>45090527
Paul Li's gonna kept Pomu in a dungeon and torture her NO ANON I DON'T WANNA THAT TO HAPPEN

>>45090792
>dungeon
>torture
holy fucking HOT BATMAN

>>45090218
And how many of them have gotten stealth suspended?

>>45091225
None as far as I'm aware. Kaede even did a stream dedicated to it and the VOD is still up with no parts trimmed/edited. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwK3Dq8PYAU

>>45091352
>as far as I'm aware
So all of them have gotten stealth suspended, good to know

>>45085194
Hololive too has trannies and seaniggers.

>>45091540
Kaede's VOD would have been taken down in that case, just like Zaion's were.

>>45079475
Holofags love men now? Did I jump a timeline or something?

>>45091612
Yes,they have Tempusfags and Omegatroon.

>>45079744
I mean yeah, that makes sense. Voicepack and streamlab don't go through Youtube so less cut, there's Youtube cut, and then there's actually making physical merch irl cut.
Merch is just the best way yo give back to people, since stuffs like T-shirt, towel, bags can be used irl.

>>45082752
That's only with personal merch (i.e: Lamy's wine). Cover pays for normal merch (i.e: birthday / anniversaries).

What if they get some dumbass rate like 3% on merch

>>45078408
Matsuri has said they get more money from merch that from everything else, is like a bonus to them

>>45079744
> revealing internal information that may affect stakeholders
incoming "family visit"

>>45079016
80% of holo merch is bought by JP fans

>>45078408
No tard. Hololive gets more money from metch than from superchats

>>45094202
True but ENkeks will never admit it.

>>45079265
>read all superchats
Who doesn't read all their superchats? Seems like a massive fuck you if you don't thank the people who give you money.

>>45080695
That's not how it works anon >>23937339
> You buy merch - even if it's shit - to support the liver, not to actually use it

I'm not a corpo fag but like, everytime I hear about the two big ones it seems like nijisanji is just shitty lmao.

>>45078408
Holy based. Holokeks BTFOed

>>45094325
Now its >we buy merch to help fund Riku's yatch, because we nijifags just love the taste of Riku's asshole

>>45094297
When you get as many as Hololive does you literally don't have time unless you turn supers off for half your streams and dedicate an entire day to reading the ones you still got. I believe some holos only read the message(aloud) for chats above a certain value because of time management. Hell, even Pippa is struggling to read all of hers now and trying to find a balance between reading the full message or just the name and amount.

>>45094297
Plenty of Holos, JP and EN included, don't read all the SCs, anon.
I'm pretty sure that all Holos ignore blue SC unless they really like the messages as well. Some do the same to yellow SC, too

>>45081034
It makes sense though, for Nijisanji merch is generic shit that the liver often doesn't need to do anything for (except for voice packs) so their cut will naturally be low.

There IS another angle here though. Nijisanji's financial report stated that their commerce (march sales, VP sales etc.) has been down since the last quarter. Likely because of all the JP merch controversies (low quality, some of them blatantly copied from other design company works before being silently removed etc.). Which was listed as one of the major reasons that Anycolor's stock value collapsed.

So if Pomu is putting this out on public, saying how streamlabs and voice packs are the best way to support them, listing merch as the last one, and we know that merch is one of the best ways Anycolor makes money...
She might be dogwhistling about the absolute state of the company however she can, and asking her fans to support her directly instead of buying shit that is more company profit focused.

>>45094567
Fun fact, time management and the inability to keep up with supers is why Tempus pushes for membership gifts, that way they have less messages to read.

>>45091540
if it was like your rrat is, the vod would be edited, and it hasn't

>>45083766
>You can have paid merch by the own member in Nijisanji too, just not in NijiEN.
So the NijiJPfags that kept saying "NijiEN is not the real Nijisanji" were right?

>>45094817
anon none of this is new. livers have been saying how thier biggest cut are voice packs for years

>>45095024
They just mean that Nijisanji refers to either NijiJP or Nijisanji as a whole, instead of nijien

>>45087666
I did. She told to me to buy merch.

>>45088439
It's because they have a direct line to youtube and a decent relationship with them (makes it easier to get back channels if they get falsely struck, or to resolve shadowbans and other issues), and the income from merch is humongous compared to streamlabs (the recent Risu merch limited run gave her some 700k$, and that's just the limited run), so they'd rather not rock the boat with them for pocket change.
Anycolor doesn't have such a direct line, so they're fine with using streamlabs.

>>45080021
Miko is one of the top of the top, who has more paying (not including gifted) members than Gura or even Pekora, so she is not a good reflection of the average holo's merch power. She also knows how to work with Holo management, manage her projects, and make requests. She is one of the old veterans in the company and is a big face these days what with being an official tokyo ambassador who has met and 'shook' hands with the governor of Tokyo.
She even makes the other holo's title pictures on the side, she's done a few streams of it, so she is again not the average you compare against, she's an outlier that's a culmination of years of growth and effort and worry and gratitude. You won't find many like her anywhere in the global streamer sphere, let alone vtubersphere, let alone Hololive.

>>45094988
The point of a stealth suspension would be lost if you give out hints wouldn't it?

>>45080211
but then that's one slot where they CAN'T sell their overpriced cookie-cutter merch and take all the profits!

>>45083559
>>45083690
rrats as of now, haven't seen any proof
some schizo from /NijiEN/ is trying to spread it though

>>45078245
Shit, so sorry to hear about Pomu's graduation.

>>45096682
No, because Zaion still had to private/edit the VODs that led to her stealth suspension.

>>45078245
If you want to directly support the chuuba without Niji taking a cut then look up the PL's streamlabs or patreon.

>>45089154
It was a time when they kept getting demonetized by YouTube so they wanted an alternative. Some say that Cover didn't end up going with it because they didn't want to piss off YouTube at the time, but not sure if true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROthmalunZk

>>45084687
>and if mysta can buy land on the UK
He bought land in his homeland for his mother not in the UK

>>45088982
>the talent would have to dodge a question asking about the cut
Not really since kuzuha already revealed it and they get 0 yen on merch

>>45098687
>Some say that Cover didn't end up going with it because they didn't want to piss off YouTube at the time
It was because it never took off in the jp side audience since its really hard to let japs adapt to new things
That and SC also gives them free advertisement since they were on top

All this misinformation being spread by hololcancers when several people from nijisanji have explicitly mentioned they get the most money from merch
You EOPs are scary

>>45100130
Nijisanji the company sure, Nijisanji the livers no. The livers have ALWAYS said they get the most money from voicepacks.

>>45079744
>Merch is fucking LAST
ARE ACTUAL BLACK COMPANY! LOL

>>45100358
It makes sense that their cuts for merch is last, and the same applies to Hololive's official merch and chuuba too, mind you. The only exceptions are merch funded fully by the chuuba themselves

>>45100130
Explain this
https://files.catbox.moe/33y8k4.mp4

>mention wanting Pomu in Hololive
>get called a beggar
>now we see Pomu would be begging to get the merch deals Cover offers
I hope Riku is your oshi because he's the only one you support when you buy those acrylic stands.

>>45100501
That anon you responded represents the Nijicultist behavior, they would deny what their own Niji liver intestines say to protect the corporation

>>45101300

>>45081789
huh?!

hey braindead indogs, do you ever wonder why hololive shills merch so hard? why they dedicate streams to shill merch, and always timing it with the twitter announcement and merch launch on their store? why do they do that?

>>45081789
I can't believe how lazy these cunts are. Marine delivers her goods to my doorstep every time.

>>45100130
Meanwhile the 3rd reply in this thread is an outright lie by the Niji Defense Force

>tfw it's actually Nijifags who were the corporate bootlickers all along
top fucking kek
>n-no of course merch is last, w-we totally already knew that, it just makes sense, doesn't even matter that Pomu sounds miserable af as she relays this information
literally anything just to try to get a win on le holobronies. huh?
Fuck all of you cocksuckers and your disgusting black company, Pomu deserves better

>>45102663
because the hololive talents had to fund the merch themselves, so of course they want to push it as much as possible

>>45101917
Lmao

>>45092215
>Cover pays for normal merch (i.e: birthday / anniversaries).
No, same deal.
Merch is thought up by the talent, management scurry off to chinkland and organize something, goes back and forth on feasibility and price, talent has then this option:
Fork over the majority of the initial production cost and therefore gain the lion's share of profits, or, if they're a less popular holo with less money or a fresh holo with no money, cover forks out the majority cost and the holo receives a smaller fraction.
Obviously when holos become more established and flush with simpbucks they will always always choose the first option. That goes for ALL their merch except generic holo merch that isn't tied to their birthday or anniversary or some kind of gen specific celebration like how 5th gen like to release group merch.
There's very little of this generic merch though, but even with that the holos would get some small amount.
I have no idea what holos would get for their standard acrylic stands, ERROR, Summer, or 3rd fes merch, but it's all stock poses and generic art not personalized by them at all so I'd assume they get very little from it.
Stuff like Nendoroids and other figures I have no idea.
The clue is how a holo shills any given merch: they have incentive to shill on stream their bday/debut shit but you never see them shill the generic stuff I listed above. A-chan shills that shit.

IRyS (moron) said recently that she didn't even know how much her recent bday merch would be priced at until it was released for sale to all. But she's a bubbleheaded bimbo. I assume that a smarter holo that takes better stock of their finances would be able to find this shit out before public release.

How is this controversial? It's because Niji merch is produced by the company itself unlike holo merch where the talent designs it, so of course they take a bigger cut compared to streamlabs/superchats.

>>45078245
I'm willing to fund the yacht as long as I can be sure that he's having drug enhanced orgies on it

>>45086862
I forget who mentioned it but there's an official cover way to get them done. however, it has a huge wait-list so most do it themselves

>>45079744
>>45078245
black company

>>45082022
Well, yeah?
Getting a little money for doing absolutely nothing is better than getting more money for effort. You can always put your effort somewhere else to earn more money, but free money is always nice.

>>45100501
NijiEN isn't true nijisanji, they are a difference entity, when you talk about nijisanji, use nijisanjiJP information instead

>>45078245
>>45078408
If I buy merch it's for me you fucking retards.

I'm not a charity; I don't give a fuck how much money they make off of me.

>>45107175
holy goalposts
Pomu literally says "not just for me, but everyone in Nijisanji"

>>45079744
Look at the whole chat being surprised, because most of them watch hololive who get most of their money from merch holy shit hahahahaha

>>45079744
>Nijisanji has the cheapest, most mass-produced merch that costs $0.10 to produce
>Niji vtubers earn the least from them
>Hololive merch is almost always customized, and expensive to produce
>Holo girls unironically get most of their earnings from merch
lol, I have a hunch who earns the most from niji merch.
Fuck that greedy gook.

Pomu, don't worry I'm going to doxx your home address and send you cash in mail. I'll sign it as "Unabomber" so don't worry, you'll know it's safe, it'll be pure cash, and an appreciation letter. I don't want to be creepy, so I'll write the letter using newspaper snippets.