/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>44830683
no I'm glad they ditched her

Twitter freak company, basically

Post memberships

every drama from vtubing as a whole just makes me so tired of this culture that i really wanted to succeed from the beginning.
i remember weeks before coco announced graduation, about what i want from vtubing and hololive and what it would take for me to no longer care; nonstop have i just watched as everything has just gotten progressively pessimistic, repetitive, political and drama-filled.
even if i want to blame lack of gatekeeping, this would have happened inevitably. its all just so tiresome now

I was already unsubbed from all EN's at this point, but after this I unsubbed from talents in the main branch. But today seeing some of the ones I missed like Mikoto and Deron, I couldn't bring myself to unsub from them. In my weakness I might need to resub to my top JPs at the very least...

>>44830881
the entirety of jp buckles now and again but its generally fine. it wont last long forever so cherish them.

>>44830881
I’m still subbed to Cammy cuz I like her voice and her tits, even though I don’t speak moonrunes OR play mahjong

>>44830683
Zaion was my oshi and yeah the management and general Twitter fanbase suck but I've come to really like a few of the livers during Zaion's suspension and none of those issues are present during their streams. I don't blame her wavemates for wanting to move on since it was clear that Zaion wouldn't be able to fit in and is better off being indie

>>44830683
Yes for EN, unsubscribed from all of them and only following Pomu, Maria, Rosemi, and Petra on twitter. I thought about how every hobby I have just gets ruined and spent the whole day yesterday doing nothing. I didn't want to play vidya, watch streams, nothing. Just depressing, only watching JP at this point. Was going to re-buy tickets for EN AR Live and restream it, but fuck that.

I've given up on the EN branch at this point but I won't stop watch JPs like Ars/Sasaki/Cammy/Kirame/Akane among others.

I hope they sort the EN management out one day but even if they did that the EN fanbase is completely unsalvageable at this point. It's a fucking dumpster fire of a branch and I hope supporting the JP branch doesn't prop up EN in any way.

>>44830683
Yeah but slowly, I can't cold turkey.
Already unsubbed from 8 of them, only have Selen, Nina and Scarle left from EN.

>>44830683
Not at all. I wish every announcement was as clear with its reasoning as the one about Zaion instead of just being some vague nonsense. Nobody shittalked her behind her back? They all said what they had to say in public. Not sure what you mean about "without even knowing why" if anything they have the most information compared to most vtuber graduations because they were so detailed in their explanation. That said I think the people going after her angrily with personal insults and shit are going too far, just leave her be she didn't stab your child or anything.

Also management didn't "publicly rape" anyone the second they broke a rule. Zaion was stealth suspended in January before the public suspension so they tried to help her fix things at least once privately but thats probably after multiple talks with management to begin with before even getting to that stage. She didn't break "a rule" either she broke a whole list of them repeatedly. If anything it seems like they did everything they could to resolve the issues amicably internally before escalating things to more serious consequences. Hell most normal jobs half the things on that list would get you instantly fired with no second chances or attempts at improvement, if anything it comes off as incredibly lenient that it took that much for her to be gone.

>>44830683
cool, leave

>>44830683
>talent freedom
Thats a vshojo meme, why do catalognigs think its a niji thing? Niji is even more restrctive than cover since they don't allow RM activities

>>44831383
Livers (at least during the lazysydia era) talked about how relaxed and nice the management was, there's the whole Nijicancelled thing (guess Zaion is the only real member of that group), and the fanbase keeps griping about Hololive and "idol culture", so I can see why someone would get confused

>>44831383
They do allow it. Just nothing as a vtuber and absolutely no connecting it to yourself as a vtuber at Nijisanji in any way. Current active talents in the company have known other social media channels just fine. Just off thee top of my head Mayuzumi did the whole time he was there. Kagami Hayato does currently whilst there.

>>44831518
>and the fanbase keeps griping about Hololive and "idol culture"
after this whole debacle this will never stop being funny to me kek, they hate idol culture for being toxic while they partake in twitter cancel culture

>>44831518
Generally speaking the management do seem nice and relaxed even now from most of the stories you hear its nothing but positivity towards their direct managers. But if you keep breaking rules they are going to have to get serious about things eventually.

>>44830683
I still have Petra

>>44830683
>How do Nijibros do this without even batting an eye?
Sadly its the people that came with luxiem. Women are trannies were just out for blood like talking about a celebrity during tea time. Everyone that agrees with nijisanji's statement about Zaion, never watched her and its just enjoying the situation. I was convinced that Zaion would graduate for not being cooperative with management, like Yugo was. But exposing all this shit full of lies, is just so unfair. Specially when other Niji members did that things.
I will keep watching Selen, because Im already down bad, but I will stop buying voice packs and all that shit.

good riddance. at least go follow your weirdo oshi on twitch and youtube.

>>44830683
I'm dropping EN at least

>>44830683
I only watch Pomu so I don't really care what the rest of the chimps they hire do to each other.

>>44831829
The difference between other members having done some of those things and Zaion is that they did maybe a few of those things in a whole year or two year long career while she did all of them in a month. If I show up to work late nearly everyday I am going to get in trouble for it, and if I keep doing it even after getting talked to I am probably going to get fired. If I show up to work late twice a year I am probably going to be forgiven without anything major happening because everyone fucks up sometimes. It's about a pattern of behaviour vs isolated incidents.

>still no memberships posted
Holofag thread

>nijicucks immediately come to managements defense

>>44831781
If anything Nijisanji management is somewhere between overly lax to nonexistent in most cases. They only step in when things have completely gotten out of control and often enough, not even then (see Luxiem shittalking the AR cancellation and not even being made to delete their tweets).

>>44832013
why do you sisters always fucking glance over what is actually being said?
some (like the anon you are replying to) think the termination itself wasn't the problem, it's how it was handled. how do you people think it's fine for a company to drag their talent through the dirt like this, giving fuel for the woke crowd to harass her, watching her get doxxed, and doing nothing?
she deserved both the suspension and the termination. but citing "offensive jokes" as a reason in both notices is absolutely despicable, especially considering nijicancelled literally played that trolley game AND cards against humanity without ever getting in trouble. i mean it's even worse considering management has to get perms for those games, so they 100% gave the thumbs up

>>44830683
I think a lot of women are genuinely psychopathic without realizing it. It's how they think their brand of harassment, slander and doxxing campaigns etc is righteous and anyone who says otherwise is an incel or a pickme if female. Anyway, done with niji and the crazy ass twitter freaks it's garnered.

>>44832158
True maybe it could be better if they took a firmer approach more generally. Although its possible the Luxiem members did get told off behind the scenes and they didn't make them delete the tweets because that would look even worse. Even with this Zaion thing they tried to keep it internal like nothing was wrong at first with her just "going on a break" even though she was suspended.

>>44832277
I personally think its best to give a detailed explanation like this to the public when you have to make serious decisions. Otherwise everyone is just left in the dark about what really happened and people are free to fill that knowledge gap by coming up with all sorts of crazy speculations about what the reasoning behind it was including attacking other members over complete fantasies.

Pomu's interaction with Kiara convinced me to give NijiEN a try, but after so much drama, no thanks, just going to stick with Hololive and NijiJP, steering fucking clear of NijiEN.

>>44830683
I don't hate the talents (a few annoy me), just the management, but it's enough to have caused me to distance myself from them over the last few months. I really do feel like Selen (and to a lesser extent Pomu) are tragedies, they deserve to be in hololive with a better atmosphere and better security or big indies with more freedom. Sucks they're saddled with NijiEN.

>>44830683
What part of twitter freaks don't you understand?
Faggots, troons, racial minorities obsessed with race and hating whites. All these people are super mentally ill with nothing going on in their lives and they are celebrated on twitter. These are who Niji EN markets to.
They are worthless scum that want nothing more than making other people's lives miserable. They don't want to enjoy anything or construct anything. They live off disability checks and then blame everyone else.

NijiJP does not have this problem. HoloJP does not have this problem. Not even Holo EN has this problem. This is a direct result of Niji EN management filling their branch with the worst of the worst zoomer retards. Everyone told you this was inevitable. And it will happen again. And they will not learn.

>>44832421
Women are pretty much just horrible people when given any amount of power, which is why all social movements lead by women are such massive shitshows with cult like adherance to social rules.
Like look at feminism right now, women are literally letting men in skirts walk all over them just because of the social rules of blind acceptance women made and uphold against each other.

>>44832013
Like I said, the only real reason you have in all that list is not being able to find a common agreement with management.If you have constant conflicts with your superiors,is understandable to fire someone.
But on stream, Zaion didnt do anything strange for a Niji EN streamer. Nijisanji used her as fooder for the luxiem sisters, that is why I'm dissapointed. Basically if you have a male avatar like Yugo, you get a normal notification but if you are a woman you get a public execution? I dont like that at all.

>>44832638
stfu polcel. gtfo out of this hobby that is women orientated.

Compare how NijiJP handled Meiro to how NijiEN handled Zaion
Meiro fucked up big time yet wasn't completely shat on like Zaion who harmless in comparison

telling that the actual nijiEN thread universally agrees with the management while holofags in the catalog desperately try to concerntroll as "disappointed fans"

>>44832701
NTA, but this hobby is almost entirely male oriented. Luxiem is an outlier and by no means represenative of the target audience of almost every chuuba. Most successful vtubers are women because women are what appeal to men, the primary audience.

>>44832701
I don't even browse /pol/, newfag-chan.
I'm just explaining why you twitter women are such horrible people.

>>44832834
>everyone agrees except the people who don't agree, and they must not be real or else they'd agree

>>44832878
>almost entirely male oriented
Complete nonsense. NijiEN is about 80% women and NijiJP is about 50/50 and that's one of the two biggest vtuber groups in existence so making this claim is just absurd.

>>44832935
post
memberships

>>44832665
I don't know if I would say she did things that were "strange" on stream for a NijiEN member but she did do plenty of things that the audience knows are going to get the members in trouble and that other members have indicated are against the rules or they got in trouble for before. Connecting things to your past life, talking about piracy, using copyright songs and so on. Everyone watching knows you aren't supposed to do those as a member and that other talents that have done it will private the videos and so on because its not allowed. With the comparison to the Yugo announcement a lot of people complained about a lack of transparency when they announced Yugo getting fired in such a vague manner and demanded more details. They probably saw this as an improvement on that. I don't think they used her as fodder or intend for her to receive harassment.

>>44832834
You mean the thread filled with twitterfags and chink sisters?

Just watching the twitter fanbase reaction to the termination has convinced me that sisters are evil. They took everything of the corpospeak at face value without any critical thinking involved. If nijisanji announced that zaion ate babies for breakfast, kicked puppies as a hobby, and greeted managers with heil hitler, these women would have believed that without spending a single moment in doubt, because for them it is easy to believe that anybody is as vile as they are.

>>44830683
It's pretty gross. Especially from the fans. Niji fans seem soulless

nah.

>>44832449
Seems to me like they just pilled on every minor infraction she ever did while throwing on the least favorable interpretation to ensure that she can never be anything but an indie again. When they come for your oshi, be prepared for them to do the same.

>>44830730
SPBP. I'm just watching Pomu, Selen, and Rosemi at this point.

>>44830683
I wish Reimu would suffocate me with her fat latina ass...

>>44833030

>>44832794
Meiro got a 4 page document explaining everything from start to finish
https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1318898278059053057
and other members involved posting their discord DMs with her
https://twitter.com/yuzuki_roa/status/1318912752413364224

>>44830683
I dropped everyone but Selen
Hoping every day she fucks off out of there and goes indie

>watching nijiCN to begin with

>>44832834
>this shill general agrees so everyone else that doesn't is a holofag
that absolute state of nijiniggers

>>44833131
kek

>>44832948
You are delusional if you think the Niji JP is audience is 50/50 male/femal or NijiEN's is 20/80.
Besides, Niji may be one of the larger organizations in the industry, but their audience isn't that big compared to the total audience of all the indies that are out there. And of them, when's the last time you heard of a successful male indie vtuber? It hardly exists. And the reason is because the audience is almost entirely men.

>>44832948
>NijiEN is about 80% women
That appeal to a male audience. That's what "male-oriented" means you imbecile.

>>44833028
When someone did a poll in there last night the results showed the majority were fans of the girls.
>>44799971

>>44833260
>And of them, when's the last time you heard of a successful male indie vtuber?
EOP post. And even within EOP scene there is Shoto and Lord Aethelstan who both pull more viewers on Twitch than the bottom tier HoloENs

>>44832878
Luxiem changed everything, a huge chunk of NijiEN fans are girls because of them and what followed. Not to mention people like Enna pandering and essentially being the "yass queen slay" vtuber. It's a hugely feminine atmosphere. A bunch of pretty boys and girls that are constantly collabing with them. The girls even did a yaoi fanfic shipping stream one time. You really think guys are the ones listening to Enna and others talk about her period or makeup? It's not cute, it bores men and runs them off.

Hololive is male-oriented.

>>44833283
I think they literally meant that the audience for NijiJP is 80% female. They're delusional.

>>44833283
I mean NijiEN's fanbase is about 80% women, retard.

>>44833339
>the men basically have a 90/10 split for women
>the women have a pretty balanced 50/50 + they're generally less popular than men
>total is probably about 80/20 for women
Watch streams, they talk about the gender balance in their audience all the time

>>44833330
>Hololive is male-oriented.
Nothing says testosterone and machismo more than a bunch of catty terminally female-brained women that constantly berate and patronize their viewers (if they can even be bothered to stream for them to begin with.)

All these holoniggers defending a liver they don't even watch. I just remembered this clip where Zaion herself made fun of Hololive
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JdBrIw3eRY0&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
She always came off like a former indie who dissed Holo and wanted to join Niji because she genuinely believed she could do whatever she wants. That's also why she doesn't think she did anything wrong and refused to change her behavior.

back to your thread nijicuck

>>44832834
No shit it's filled twitter trannies and doxsite sisters.

>>44833423
Based Zion making fun of the holobronies.

>>44833423
>posts a guy that faked his death for clout
Clever and subtle way to shit on nijisanjiEN

>>44833423
How is that making fun of Hololive ESL sis?

>>44833499
The NijiEN fanbase is filled with twitter trannies and doxsite sisters. What's your point? That doesn't mean the "concerned fans" in this thread aren't holofags falseflagging as nijisisters.

>>44833315
>shoto and nyaner's fuckboy.
That's a fucking lmao and a half.
You have zero idea about this industry if you think what I said constitutes an "EOP" post. I've literally been watching vtubers since Ai's second month and nothing I said contradicts the reality that male indie vtubers are never as successful as their female counterparts and the reason is because the audience has been almost entirely male from the beginning. Go look back and look at the content that Ai and the Four Heavenly Kings used to make and tell me that any of that shit was trying to go after a female demo.

>>44833423
I mean, all she really says is that hololive is supposed to be the seiso company
surely you have better than this, bootlicker?

>>44833407
You're saying that about Hololive when NijiEN exists? Lol. Lmao even. At least when I watch Kiara she's trying to be cute and not doing a semen taste test stream like Enna or whoever

>>44833423
If anything that clip is making fun of NijiEN. Did you even watch it?

>>44832834
NijiEN thread is just the luxiem sisters in agreement with Ethyria fags since all of them are femcels, except for Nina. That is why some Lazulight(Obsydia girls have their own threads.

>nijicucks being retarded while they try to shit on holo
everytime

>>44830683
Bruh, I checked youtube, almost none of them lost subs iirc. Like how difficult it is to press a button.

It's fake outrage people agree with you then don't unsubscribe and continue to watch anyway.

/vt/ and twitter is dumb. doesn't understand the harm they are doing by continuously propping up this terrible company

>>44833756
nobody in this thread watched nijiEN in the first place

we're closing in on 100 posts and there are literally zero memberships posted

>>44833756
>reddit spacing
How many viewers is your beloved milord averaging nowadays?

>>44833423
You're not making the point you think you're making

>>44833423
Are luxnoc sisters this desperate? It only makes hololive looks good.

>>44833814
I watch Pomu. I don't have her membership because I stopped giving Niji money after the discord leak.

>>44833559
Any "normal" fans aren't bothering with the cesspool that is /nijien/. That's why most relevant girls have their splits.

>>44833521
i remember reading something about grooming allegation in tf2 servers being one of the motivators of his action

>>44834025
Even the splits agree with management whenever the topic comes up though. Nobody is crying for Zaion except for falseflagging holofags.

>>44833814
A lot of Finana stans in here asked me today why I am unsubbing her, so no.

>>44833814
Fulgur sub was a gift, and my Selen membership is still active.

>>44834021
This is bait.

>>44834173
Eres una desgracia para hispachan. Esos tipos solos seguían a Hololive por la marca.

>>44834087
Nice try, many people in the girls' general were upset at management yesterday. >>44662330
And it's no surprise that with that thread being made by Xsoleil girls fans, it's now completely dead today after they've walked away from NijiEN.

>>44834173
No Reimu? No Scarle? What about La Raza?

>>44834276
Si queres de hololive, tengo tambien xD

Anyone who was still subbed to them after all the male offcollabs with girls is beyond help anyway

>>44830683
>management will publically rape you the second you break a rule
Tbdesu managers are so whitewashed nowadays (even by chuubas themselves) that people forget they are chuubas' direct superiors and not uwu smol bean assistants/friends.

>>44834658
>getting mad over male offcollabs
unicorn nonsense

>getting mad over failure to protect talents (even if former) through straight up petty and malicious character assassination
a normal well-adjusted vtuber enjoyer thing

please understand

>>44834939
If my boss pulled this shit on me I'd show up at work on a Monday morning just to punch him in the throat tbqh

>>44830683
>comfy atmosphere
lol what fucking "comfy atmosphere" did they ever have? it was billed as an edgy-but-still-safe-enough-for-zoomers alternative to hololive since day 1 with constant animosity towards some boogeyman "idol culture"
the whole thing is run by pajeets and canadian chinks who are clueless about the japanese subculture and think this is all 2D kpop
the good news is that the numbers are in the toilet across the whole branch and we'll get to laugh at the next "waves" of twitch whores with genshin knockoff models that will all perform progressively worse

>>44834517
Based Polka enjoyer

My genuine take away from this whole thing is that thank god I only watch Pomu and Selen. Just from hearing how Zaion acted it seemed like she wanted out of that company for whatever reason, and she successfully got out after pissing off people she didn't like. I am further vindicated in never interacting with the newer NijiEN fans cause they're an obnoxious bunch that seem miserable to be around.

It was a mistake not to have men in lazulight. It would have been easier to ignore niji from the start.

>>44835348
The general sentiment I've seen is everything post Ethyria sucks because that's when the chink women pandering started and it all started attracting twitter weirdos.

>>44833025
I’m willing to throw you a bone because as someone who prefers to think these corpos don’t have any idea what they’re doing rather than that they’re part of some conspiratorial culture war, it makes more sense.
In which case, I get trying to be more transparent, but listing out the actual things that Zaion did in quick succession that proved she wasn’t professional instead of dumping out every minor infraction (making a Raid Shadow Legends joke, really?) was scummy as shit.
As a good mentor should tell you when you enter the working world, they can look for any excuse to fire you if they want to. Zaion fucked up by doing all those things at once, some of which were presumably serious and others which were technically not great but not actually a big deal.
Listing them all together so people who haven’t watched her streams think she’s some horribly incompetent yab machine instead of just listing the few legitimate issues that risked their bottom line and going, “Look, she wasn’t the right fit, it didn’t work out” is borderline, if not outright, malicious.

>>44836847
>play chicken with the people who sign your paychecks
>it blows up in your face
many such cases!

>>44833147
NTA, but this is how they should have handled Zaion, rather than just making accusations with even a hint of proof. Now they just seem like spiteful children throwing a tantrum and talking shit about someone who can no longer defend herself.

>>44833814
whats up

>>44836427
That's wrong. Ethyria was part of the problem too. Lazusydia is the only part of that branch with actual talent.

>>44833407
Just because Hololive is the Walmart or McDonald’s of the male-oriented vtubing scene doesn’t mean their primary audience isn’t still males. They might be trying to compete with NijiEN for that yume/fujo audience, but HoloEN is still primarily watched by dudes

>>44830683
I understand why Zaion was terminated, but how it was handled community-wise was nothing short of disastrous. If they're going to continue pandering to twitter and let coworkers throw each other under the bus like this then I'll have to cut my losses and leave. Otherwise, I'll stick with the livers I still trust and avoid the rest like a plague. Let the men who live by the sword die by the sword as they say.

>>44836914
I don’t normally like to compare Hololive with Nijisanji because I think they’re similar enough to each other that it invites unnecessary tribalfaggotry. But look at the Rushia incident. They told everyone she broke NDA and blabbed to the Japanese version of keemstar like a retard. Simple as that, end of story. Anyone who knows anything knows why that’s a fireable offense. Obviously there was still gossip flying around over the “real” reason, but just providing that detail was enough to quash most of it.
The Anycolor letter just feels like Nijisanji were terrified of *any* backlash or speculation that Zaion’s firing was unjustified. If they’d cut out half of the yabs and just emphasized the extremely short timeframe in which she’d made yabs or released this earlier instead of dragging it out a whole month, this whole thing could have easily been resolved.

>>44837346
this.

>>44837346
This post has been done 1000% times but honestly it really wasn't
>Suspended for a month under "vague" circumstances
>People complain about the lack of clarity
>Terminated permanently and given a list of reasons as to why
>"N-NO THATS DEFAMATION AND BAD!!!"
Honestly the fact that they add on the bottom that there are other unlisted reasons makes me think they didn't even release half the problems they had with her and on top of that literally everyone else in her gen/wave/whatever you call it, seems to agree it was fair enough and seem rather upset with her as a person.
Unironically the only people who thinks this was "pandering to the Twittertards" is too stupid to realize that having a list of yabs a page+ long with less than a months worth of streams, isn't a good look. Especially when it's confirmed by the statement she was suspended 2x and given multiple opportunities to change.

>>44836427
>everything post ethyria sucks
May I remind you that the members of Ethyria are:
Enna
>the most spiteful female in NijiEN
Millie
>gonna dunk on 4chinpo fr fr
Reimu
>vox's personal cocksleeve
Nina
>rostie sjw who miraculously ended up being the best in her gen

>>44834133
>stans
my fucking sides

>>44837804
Nigger the termination notice was literally a /vt/ shitpost with a corpospeech foreword with how it exaggerated the most minor issues and dragged things out of context to make her look bad, there's literally no excuse for it

>>44837804
if putting the raid shadow legens shit on there as one of the main reason how much of a nothingburger were all the other fucking unlisted reasons then hmmmmm?

>>44837804
This >>44833147 is transparency, not just listing reasons, some of which are laughable and exaggerated, without ANY evidence.
They acted very unprofessionally for an agency and if you wouldn't have your nose so far up their corporate asses, you'd see that to. There's a right and a wrong way to terminate a contract and they clearly shit the bed with this one.

Nijipologists will say that people are defending Zaion getting fired. Nobody sane is saying that.
The problem is with Niji's announcement basically dragging her through the mud and making it clear that they don't want her to ever have a career anywhere else ever again.
>People asked for more info on Yugo's graduation because it was vague!
Because it's none of their godamn business what the behind-the-scenes reasons were.
The more you say, the easier it is for somebody to call you wrong.

>>44837952
Have you ever heard the phrase "death by a thousand cuts" nigger.
>"N-NO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIST THE REASONS YOU FIRED SOMEONE REEE!!!!!"
Unironically I'd tell you go back I can't find any holobronies as retarded as the ones I can find /here/

>>44838148
Yet the only people defending her are the ones who never watched her. Funny how that works

>>44838079
>i-its unprofessional to release a statement about why you fired someone!!!!
>y-you have to release a 4page document of their errors because that drags them through the mud less
Are you retarded or something

>>44833025
> a lot of people complained about a lack of transparency when they announced Yugo getting fired in such a vague manner and demanded more details
Man... The manta of "listen to your own fanbase rather than the haters" should have a clause stating that your fanbase should at least sane and mentally stable for that rule to apply...

>>44838176
When your list of reasons include "making jokes about Raid: Shadow Legends and being the queen of the Jews" and vague bullshit like "things that might maybe make some people upset or something idk", it's padded. Literally just write "we had disagreements and due to repeated violations of rules and no will to continue to work on it we decided to separate ways". Instead they literally made a /vt/ shitpost to drag her through the mud and nijiniggers eat it up like the worthless retards they are. Next time tell them to change the bullet points to meme arrows to make it look even more authentic, maybe even title it "Why Zaion Is A Bitch"

>>44838176
>Have you ever heard the phrase "death by a thousand cuts" nigger
you mean the thing that's happening to NijiEN?
Oh idk, I might have predicted it around half a year back

>>44838277
>Informing the public about something in the most vague and inflammatory way is good, ackshually
Kill yourself

>>44837804
Regardless of what she did, this will only embolden the twitterfags into harassing and endangering more livers over lesser and lesser things. For a company that put out multiple statements about harassment in the past, this is not a good look for them.

>>44838277
>why u ask for proof? just believe them because they said it!
Funny how I've been asking for even a single crumb of proof since the termination happened and every time I just had you people throwing a shitfit about it without actually providing said evidence.
Try taking some zanex before coming here, cause you're obviously too emotional to have a reasonable conversation with.

>>44830730
That's what is tanking NijiEN for me. Nothing good ever comes from pandering to the twitter autists

>>44838349
I’m almost certain Zaion did deserve to be fired, and I agree with you. But there’s a difference in tone between “We wish it could have worked out, but damn”, and “We hate your guts.” It was like they fired her for the first kind of reason but listed a bunch of padded out reasons to make it clear they also hated her and that *that* part is justified too.

>>44830683
you know she streamed for only about a month, right? some of her VODs weren't available because she fucked up so much. the attachment to her is minimal, hence the lukewarm reaction.

>>44838845
This is what these people don't seem to understand. No one's arguing that she shouldn't have gotten fired, but if you have a professional vtubing agency, you don't go around holding grudges and flinging shit at them like you're 8, even if, and its a big IF, they deserve it. Do that in private if you really have to.

>>44835189
Fucking spics poorfags. LATAM has no money.

>>44837817
Nina has the hag buff, that alone makes her not as braindead as her retarded wavemates

>>44837804
A FUCKING RAID SHADOW LEGENDS JOKE

>>44830683
I just care about my dragon, the rest of the company can graduate and i wouldn't shed a tear for them

>>44833337
>>44833143
>>44833423
>>44833525
>>44833630
Niji defence force working overtime lmao

>>44838692
I mean I could have linked you to half the shit she said from talking about emulation multiple times in privated vods, from using a modded UI on FFXIV, from lying about having permission to use her past life account on genshin, from lying about her memberships being glitched cuz of "management" the list goes on and on. She had a fuckin ton of privated streams because she literally couldn't go a fucking week without saying some stupid shit that caused her vod to get nuked.
I unironically would have membered her if she was worth it but according to the few members she had /here/ she even had nuked membership vods because she couldn't fucking stop saying shit that wasn't true or could be against tos.
It became a reoccurring theme to the point where it was a meme in her chat whether the vod would survive.

This is a nijisister that is using a post that has been cooked up in their discord, along with a fake superchat image. >>44841630

>>44830683
I only like Selen anyway

>>44841630
>I could have linked you, but I won't
Are you done?

>>44830683
>leaving the company
You are not part of the company. You can watch streamers from different companies, and even indies. If most streamers you like are from a specific company, then watch them, and ignore the ones you don't. If you decide that there's a vtuber from another company you like, watch them, too. To reiterate, you are not a part of the company. There are no restrictions on you. Do what you want to do.
As for the stuff with Nijisanji itself, just think about it like this. Do you avoid watching movies with actors you enjoy because you don't agree with the decisions of the production company? Or avoid playing a video game because you don't like the way the developers are treated?

I'm not going to stop watching them yet, but if either Pomu or Rosemi leave then I'm fucking out.
The branch pretty much turned into the equivalent of a drama-heavy Twitch group during late January-February which was disappointing enough, but the sheer unprofessionalism on the part of their management is fucking embarrassing. Announcing an AR event only to cancel it not even a week later, sending DMCA strikes after drama channels only to NOT go through with them, and then throwing Zaion really hard under the bus, making it look like she was a reincarnation of Hitler just for doing stuff that prior talents already did in the past. That last part was genuinely gross, and it really makes me worried that this is basically the standard moving forward. Most talents wont even get the chance to give a proper goodbye or get one last stream. The most you get is an announcement tweet and then you're done, and quickly forgotten.
And that's assuming you didn't piss off management enough to where they decide to sling mud at you on the way out and let you get harassed by Niji "fans". Even during the start of Rushia's scandal, Cover still put out a message basically saying "what our talents do in their spare time is their own fucking business, leave them alone"

>>44841807
What the fuck am I supposed to link you to? A deleted vod? Nobody fucking archived this shit either. You can find comments about it in the archives if you look though.

>>44830683
no because i'm not going to pretend to care about her graduating

>>44842097
So at the end of the day you still can't present proof. Then she will stay innocent until proven guilty. The company should still have plenty of dirt on her if it exists, so they should post it just like the JP branch did with Meiro, which is what I suggested in the first place.
They either present solid evidence, or shouldn't half-assedly accuse her of things in the first place, because the way they handled this situation was very unprofessional.

>>44842075
Yea the really bad part about all of this is showing how NijiEN is going to treat their talents. A company trying to crush their previous employee should never be allowed or tolerated.

>>44838845
>>44839046
What you guys seem to interpret as "holding grudges and flinging shit at them like you're 8" I see as just giving the public a detailed explanation in an attempt to be more transparent as complaints were received about not having sufficient explanation last time some was terminated. I don't know why you feel the need to read any malintent into it. It just makes it clear that they have done everything in their power to try to make things work and then explains what the issues were. They aren't personally insulting her or anything. It's a concise, detailed but professionally stated explanation of what happened for things to end up this way. If they didn't give any explanation you know full well that even more people would be complaining about how vague they are and they just fired her for nothing because management hates her, she was being picked on or bullied or whatever and nobody would have any reasonable explanations to point to contrary to that belief to say actually here is why this happened.

>>44842607
At the end of the day I can tell you to do your reps and look into the archives if you wanna find the same shit I just talked aboutmn
I can tell you that all the people she worked with talked about how she lied to them and how she her own suspension notice talks about how she lied to people constantly
>d-doesnt count they need to present ME PERSONALLY with evidence of her wrongdoings!!!!
Sorry to break it to you anon but you're not important. You aren't owed shit

>>44830683
>Watching EN excluding Pomu and Kotoka
No, I won't leave because I couldn't care less about the english branch overall.

>>44838349
I agree. It's really poor form of breaking the illusion of how much corpo machination and control is behind the talent streaming. It makes Niji seems like an extremely strict and stiffling corpo with work with when they are supposed to be the less restrictive corpo than holo. The huge list of minor offense make it seem like minor things can add "strikes' toward your dishonor termination. Holo has very high standard, but they put huge effort to maintain their professionalism and public image and they try to avoid showing their restriction on the talent as much as possible. They set a boundary but rarely make big deals of streaming accidents or contents that push acceptable boundary. If they have a disagreement of content with a talent (which imo might partially be the reason for Coco's graduation), they'll do a standard graduation and part on a good note.
Niji has become what their fanbase become, a vindicative twitter bitch.

>>44842950
Nijisanji rarely make a big deal about it either. As has been pointed out plenty of times lots of members have contravened some of these things Zaion has done at some time or another and they mostly just private the VOD get a slap on the wrist behind the scenes and you never hear of it again. They even tried not to make a big deal out of it with Zaion, she was given the stealth suspension to try and get things set straight before she got a real one. It took a lot of repeated pushing and non-compliance to get to this point.

>>44842751
>detailed explanation
This >>44833147 is what a detailed explanation looks like. What they did was just list things, some of which are laughable, without presenting evidence.
If I said I was molested by Vox, would you believe me? Of course not, I'd need to show you evidence first, yet somehow its ok when your favorite company does it. Lets just trust everything they say because they said it.
>I don't know why you feel the need to read any malintent into it
Because it led a lot of people to harass her and doxx her. Funny how you are willing to extend an olive branch to the company, but not for her.

>>44842075
>"what our talents do in their spare time is their own fucking business, leave them alone"
Eh, that wasn't really much of a defence for Rushia. That was Cover "covering" their own ass
They had an idea back then that they would have to fire her, so they were pre-emptively stopping people from thinking that they fired her for a different reason. The same statement makes mention of leaks, which is what they would use to fire her
Saying
>we don't care if our GFE streamer is, or isn't having sex with a man off stream
is not a defence.

>>44843364
I have no problem with her personally, literally feel no hatred towards her at all, I was hoping she would sort things out and come back and I think what some people are doing on twitter is disgusting. She didn't eat your babies she just fucked her job up no need for the harassment. But you can't be saying the company itself is in anyway condoning that behaviour they just gave a detailed explanation of exactly what she did wrong.

>>44842075
Based Rosebud spittin'.

>>44842765
So more excuses, I accept your concession.
>ME PERSONALLY
Nice strawman you have there, but no one said that. I was only asking you, who I'm currently discussing this with for proof, since you were so adamant on calling her guilty. The corporation however, shouldn't be presenting evidence to me, but the public who have the right to know, whether the things they stated were true or made up.

I only watch selen. Don't care about anyone else in NijiEN.

>>44830683
She was really alone ? Like nobody liked her ? Isn't that her fault at that point ?

Selen was the last Nijisanji EN girl I was watching but I don't think I can do it after the events of the last few months.

It disgusts me that she is in friendly terms with most of the faggots and whores in the branch and that spoiled the experience of watching her streams.

https://discord.gg/EDjfPJNF

>>44844098
You should send this in a superchat.

>>44843326
Yea, but it's still fucking retarded to list those reasons as the termination and made the process this way. As I said, if it were to up to Holo or many other corpo, they would simply both agree on a departure and standard graduation procedure instead of dishonorable termination. It made Niji corpo seem very very restrictive and petty, straight up black company behavior. Also, it fuels the rrats that Niji also have special bias against Zaion due to clique reason if such termination is unprecedent within the whole corpo

>>44843998
Talent doesnt have to get along well, just keeping appearances is fine. Look at Pekora or most of HoloEN.

>>44844259
But Pekora is loved by many Holo despite giving them the cold shoulder a lot

>>44844232
Why? I am just one viewer (even though others may feel the same and have stopped watching her too but I can't know that for sure).

I just stopped watching her starting from her stream yesterday.

>>44844098
>stopping watching her because of others
Grim

>>44844332
No, she didn't get along well with anyone until just recently, she has said this much repeatedly.
They are just that good at keeping appearances.

>>44830683
So get me straight... everyone has a reason to dislike her, staff, talents & fans.
But the fault lies in everyone but her?

>>44844602
>Giving Nijisanji EN any of your viewer metrics or superchat money
If they want it, they can publicly apologize, make efforts to protect Zaion from doxxfags trying to harm her, and overhaul their atrocious management that puts out a hit piece on an ex-talent because she didn't want to play ball.
Zaion deserved to be fired, but that should've been the end of it. She was publicly executed and paraded around for the masses to mock.

>>44845290
The thing is, i don't give a shit about the other Njis

>>44845389
If this is what they're willing to show to the public, think about what your oshi has to deal with behind the curtain.

How long can NijiEN managers handle the livers once the roster inevitably grows to 50+ people?

>>44845892
my oshi's probably getting pounded by some manager and I'm okay with that

>>44846220
They'll hire more managers of course

>>44830683
fan reaction is what made me realize that sane nijien fans are basically extinct at this point. i'll probably still watch the few people i really enjoy until they either leave or do something that turns me off from them, but i don't have any desire to interact with the nijien fanbase or even say i like them publicly anymore. i am embarrassed to be associated with the current fanbase.

>>44846279
>my oshi’s probably getting pounded by some manager
Pounded? She’s gonna need the whole metric ton

>>44830683
Zaion was too based for Pozzedsanji. Making a rape joke to people who cry about you misgendering xer/xim was a death sentence and i'm convinced she did it on purpose because she wanted to go back to being an indie.

>>44830683
I've unsubbed from the talents I was already subbed to beforehand and don't think I'll ever be going back to NijiEN in any capacity.
When Sayu restarts her activities I'll watch her (even if she only streams genshin)

>>44830683
I'm waiting until Nina plays Silvercase, Rosemi plays Killer7, and Pomu plays No More Heroes. Afterwards, bye bye.

>>44845389
I can't watch Selen knowning that she interracts and spends time behind the scenes with the faggots that destroyed this branch.

>>44840143
Under 25s are simply not worth hiring for public-facing roles, or really any roles that require emotional maturity. Even good, competent people are deluded and inexperienced at this age, never mind assholes and snakes.

NijiEN is hiring under-20s.

>>44830683
I never watched them outside a few selen clips but I'm still laughing at this niji "family" shit
and yes, I will make fun of you losers without watching a single stream lol

>>44830683
I unsubbed from everyone except Pomu and Selen so yes.

>>44830683
Meh, I was going to, but Elira's playing Tales of Vesperia and watching Stein's Gate in membership, so I'll stick around for a little while longer if just for her. I definitely want to ween myself off of vtubers because of this. I actually liked Zaion, and of course it's a shame she and management had to come to this conclusion. I hope she feels more comfortable as an indie again.

>>44830683
I didn't even watch Zaion but this whole branch is in such a mess state I have hard time enjoying those couple talents that I did like anymore. Taking a break from nijien for now

>>44851259
The thing is she doesn't

>>44833330
>You really think guys are the ones listening to Enna and others talk about her period or makeup? It's not cute, it bores men and runs them off.
Some of us are male and like to hear about stuff we know close to nothing about. Not most of the time, of course.

Events like these, and the way the community responds to them are exactly what leads to former hardcore fans becoming antis.
At least in my case, I haven't had much interest in NijiEN since the announcement, outside of Pomu's outfit reveal. It's a shame because I've made quite a few contributions to the main thread since the Lazulight-only days, but I just feel very conflicted right now.

>>44832701
retard they literally working for men. even their jannies are working for men.

The copyright strikes were the real nail in the coffin. The Nijibros can defend management and the talents all they want, but there's no defending that level of autism.

>>44831989
Did people end up bringing up Zaion's situation during her outfit reveal? I recalled some people here saying they would harass her about it.

>>44830683
>There are no “Nijifans”, because they have zero loyalty to the talents, only to the brand name

Is it right to say that's an EN thing? Because I watch JP only and it is generally very comfy. I follow 3-4 livers and they stay in similar circles and are predominantly solo streamers. JP to me is almost like a group of 100 disparate vtubers who just happen to share overheads, compared to EN where my sense is that they dragged and dropped Twitch culture and push open VC and the whole family shit to the point that you either end up swallowing them all or none. I would never be comfortable with that, it just seems so strange to me that people are okay to just piss away their time being made to watch people they don't care about.

Most of the retards posting on this thread dont watch nijisanji and if they do, it only has been nijien. They say "nijisanji" but the actual nijsaji, nijijp, they never cared about and dont know anything about outside of vt rrats
>>44867911
they have been doing copyright strikes since 2020, retard.

>>44833423
>Literally admits Hololive is the more well behaved and safer corpo, while Nijisanji isn't
Lmao she keeps getting more based

>>44869870
> they have been doing copyright strikes since 2020, retard.
That's supposed to make it better, m8?

>>44830683
Yeah just unsubbed from the 3 girls I still watched. Doing otherwise would've felt very wrong considering the black company they're affiliated with.

>>44834439
H*spachan (chispajuan, /lat/, taringachan) don't care about spanish speaking streamers because they are too "mainstream" (for "normalfags"). Also, many of those streamers seem to be taken straight out of a facebook group focused on an*me "memes", like that Argentinian tranny, nimu. Plus, Spanish speakers who follow jap vtubers want to feel special about being "in the know" of some sekrit tree house club or something, unlike the latinos who watch spanish-speaking streamers. They are just tryhards that go to far lengths to copy 4chan, just like 4chan tries too hard to be as "hardcore" as japanese chan dwellers.

There is also the thing about latinos hating each other and Reimu is congolombian (or so I've heard; I don't watch vtubers), and everyone hates congolombians.

>>44830730
Is appealing to this audience worth it Paul?

>>44833915
Considering she put the exact same post in five threads, yeah, she is

>>44830683
I have been in Pomu-only mode for almost a year now, I hope she goes indie at some point, I really don't like the environment she is in right now

>>44875834
Unironically this. I still like the 3 I was still watching, but until they either leave or the branch gets abolished and they go indie, I can no longer pretend that its ok to support them while they're making money for this black company. I still have some of their vods dl-ed which will help when I get tempted to see them again.

>>44844825
bullshit. she's at least friends with marine, who's friends with everyone

>>44842075
you rosebuds are based, I like your oshi and this was a great post

>>44830683
>There is no “talent freedom”, because management will publically rape you the second you break a rule. There is no “Nijifamily”, and all the chemistry onstream is from either preformed cliques or completely fake. There are no “Nijifans”, because they have zero loyalty to the talents, only to the brand name, and they’ll eat the talents alive the second the managers blow the whistle.
This is actually the funniest one to me because this is what they accused holonegros of doing to delta and sana.

>>44830683
>Hell, in Hololive, Rushia did far worse, bur her genmates still forgave her in the end, even if management didn’t, and her fans all still love her even to this day. Imagine if Sana left, and management said they fired her for being racist, and all her genmates shittalked her onstream, and all her former fans dedicated their lives to doxxing her and stalking all her future lives. Wouldn’t that be disturbing? How do Nijibros do this without even batting an eye?
They're chinese.

>>44830880
I feel this too. It's just supposed to be anime girls having fun. Instead we got nuclear meltdowns, tumblr sjws, e-girls, thots, groomers, endless drama, literal political tubers, "journalists". Where the fuck did all these cunts come from?

>>44830683
Remember all those times when NijiEN claimed to be a happy family?
Aint that funny now. Hololive is more of a family than Nijis will ever be.
By the way which of them actually shat on Zaion? I wanna watch.

>>44830683
If anything the future never looked brighter, glad they took the trash out the company. Shame the character model got wasted but c'est la vie

>>44841896
suck my anus

>>44831829
I agree. It’s those women that came with luxium that did this shit. Nijisanji bends the knee to them so they basically have complete control on who they want gone. They want any females that cater to the OG fans gone. Pomu, Rosami and Selen, are next on the sisters hit list. They are coming for our oshis. Fuck those mentally disturbed fujos. They fucked up everything as soon as they showed up.

>>44876140
>everyone hates congolombians
Nah it's memezuelans everyone hates.

>>44883578
>Instead we got nuclear meltdowns, tumblr sjws, e-girls, thots, groomers, endless drama, literal political tubers, "journalists". Where the fuck did all these cunts come from?
They make up a large proportion of the female online userbase. Unless you have Japanese management tard wrangling any EN branch is eventually going to trend towards this cliquish, petty, backstabbing culture because that's how women act in professional environments.

>>44830683
Yes. I was already seriously questioning them after the secret group chat stream that revealed that have a potential bully culture problem but I gave my favs a second chance.

After this I'm done entirely. I don't trust any of them, the entire thing stinks to high heaven and even if I was to accept Zaion was a bad person which I don't the shit they're doing now proves they're all rotten to the core anyway.

They were talking mad shit. I saw on the male vt thread that they wanted the other girls gone too. Basically anyone from before luxium that caters to the original male fans. They want gone. You could see what they are trying to do. They want to get rid of all the old male fans and female livers we like and just make Nijisanji EN Fujo only. These are the same mentally disturbed women that got Pikamee to quit. Man everything went to hell when those fucking women came with luxium and destroyed everything.

The source of evil is that they're calling their chuubas "livers". You don't name something an organ and then get surprised when it's eaten alive.

>>44883578
They came with luxium. Those fucking women weren’t here before that and Niji EN was way different before they showed up. Now that those mentally disturbed women make up most of the fan base it’s mostly drama and shit. They fucked everything up when they came.

>>44885916
The secret Discord thing really soured me on Niji. The intenion was to mock /v/ but it only showed what really gets under NijiEN's skin of what is supposedly said here. What really got me angry though was the Pomu shitting during that. I don't watch her much but one thing I know is that she stays away from drama and I have yet to hear anything bad about her; yet we have her kohai shitting on her 3D debut, something not even anons did. Enna, you're as fucking transparent as a greasy piece of paper, because slumssaint was such an original alias. If you're not reading this then Reimu, because you sure as hell lurk this place, let her know she's a cunt and will never be a eigth of what Pomu is.

>>44830683
Are there any more decent EN livers besides Rosemi, Pomu, and Selen?
After reading about whole clique thing and livers being full of shit, it's getting really depressing.

>>44832701

>>44831236
>Nina
Lol

>>44831237
Most of the reasons they mentioned were petty and forced. Added only to have a long list of excuses.

>>44830683
Take your hallucinations and go, then

>>44830683
If you have an oshi in NijiEN, you have zero guarantee of her having any form of protection from the slander committed by fans of her own coworkers. They will never acknowledge that these incidents are happening, and you can only hope to god that your oshi stays in the good graces of those in power within NijiEN so that they don't sic these attack dogs on her.

It still sounds like a miserable existence, but at least she and you can pretend they're all a happy family.

>>44843364
Not just that, but the vague bullshit that they put up no longer have any sort of proof because right as the termination announcement hit, they nuked her entire channel.
So now there's no real proof that she said any of this shit.

>>44830683
Imagine telling other people stop watching just because one bitch just got in for just 2 months, barely had any fan outside of pl fan and dramafags now

>>44838692
I can already tell that these >>44838277
type of retards are the EXACT same idiots who kept asking for "proof" that Rushia broke NDA.
Meanwhile, the petty-ass list of reasons is not really valid anymore since her channel got nuked.

>>44830683
Who cares about that whore, i had ace combat,p5,mgr,sekiro... for the last week and so many interesting streams upcoming, why should i care about someone i don't watch lmao

>>44886395
I want to give Pomu a pass but honestly after everything I can't. As a collective they've dragged their reputation through so much murky shit the last few months.

If she's fine and I do believe she probably is as she was one of the fans I gave a second chance then that just means that at some point the bully faction will come for her for something, and I just don't think I can stomach that. So I'm getting off the train now before it can get worse.