/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Black company... please understand

Might as well have Enna come announce Zaion's graduation snickering and mocking her the whole time and openly remarking how there is no real accountability and they let you do anything you want if you have good stats.

>>44652329
She promised we would spend Valentine’s together…

>>44652548
Gonna be the biggest ccv ever.

>>44652329
Inb4 she will end in the same limbo as Kataribe Tsumugu from JP side. Technically still part of Nijisanji, but is supposedly banned from streaming and does not stream for 4 years already.

Can't do it so soon after executing Yugo.

>>44652994
I doubt that it will happen, but that would be fate worse than death.
> Can't graduate.
> Can't stream.
> Can't even interact with anybody, besides few tweets sneaked behind back of management.
> Still is used to milk merch.
> Gets maybe spare cents for merch stuff, maybe not.
> People remember her only as mysterious vtuber that is not active but still hired.

>>44652365
There're not wactor

Inb4 this is a vesper situation and she's coming back just fine.

>>44653555
If they try that she just needs to start up on her PL. If they sue to enforce a noncompete she can countersue and likely win.

>>44652994
This is the feeling I'm starting to get, even though it's probably unlikely. Is she being forced into limbo because of something in her contract? They could really screw her over like this if she's not allowed to be a vtuber anywhere else while under Niji. In that situation she probably would be forced to become a fleshtuber eventually.

>>44652994
by now I feel like kataribe is an experiment, something along the lines of "what if we can get someone to 100k without having them stream?"

>>44652548
Finally a good Nijien stream

she'll be back this weekend. her month is already up. gwelu only got one month and he sang an anti song about a hololive member on stream.

>>44653650
Wactor makes any company look good, hardly fair to bring it up.

>>44652548
Enna + Kyo stream of it you mean.

What happened?

>>44654789
indefinite suspension over a month ago. no clear reason for the suspension either.

>>44654849
the reason is clear on the statement. broken rules.

>>44654721
only if she suddenly reverses her unapologetic stance that she's consistently shown since suspension
otherwise she's just begging to be cancelled even more

>>44652548
What does Enna have to do with this?

>>44655103
She's got other options, going indie. Yeah, it probably won't be as lucrative as being in Nijisanji, but if their terms are to change who you are I'd say it's perfectly reasonable to stand firm, if you have a backup that performed relatively well.

>>44655742
I liked how her new identity with NijiEN inspired her to branch out of her normal streaming habits. I worry she'd revert to Genshin spam if she went back to being indie.

>recently liked comments on her YT video again
>skipped over comments supporting her but want her back as Zaion
it really is happening isn't it

>>44655905
If her pl's twitter changing to allude to her "rebirth" wasn't clear enough, I don't know what is.

>>44652994
Wouldn't they have to give them a salary if that was the case?

>>44653650
so because they're not as bad as the worst corpo ever, they're not bad? is that supposed to be my take away from your retarded post?

>>44656007
Free money for her then?

>>44655803
Yeah, I liked Zaion a lot more than her PL for that reason, I really hope she desn't go back to Genshit spam

>>44656054
they are flawed but they arent bad. they are just a corporation with bad and good points. and yes, corporations close subsidiaries that dont perform well.

>>44655905
>>skipped over comments supporting her but want her back as Zaion
If those comments outright mentioned Zaion, she's bound by nda to not mention or even allude to her niji persona, even through yt likes.

>>44653555
Worse fate than wactor, wtf blacksanji.

>>44656115
she avoided all of them that vaguely suggested she should go back

>>44656171
that's what he is saying anon
you can't mention the other persona

>>44656092
list five good things about anycolor, the company.

>>44654887
Yeah but what are rules really though?

>>44656262
Niji is running on 2018-2019 talents and momentum. From 2020 onwards it has felt like they're just getting more and more gassed out. Niji is pretty lifeless atm desu

>>44656262
>the only company that actively promote their low tier talent put them in the spotlight. See Akane and Shellin.
>actually work closely with local businesses. See Sango promoting Spanish theme park
>actively collab with indies and talents from other corps. And never refused them or discarded them when it suit them.
>you can stream once every 6 months and they wouldn't care.
>will help you if you got stalked or mobbed by antis and they will never abandon you. See Chihiro, Hajime, Lulu, Chitose.
Extra.
>will fully support talent if they want to do something like idols activities or event.

>>44656877
>>the only company that actively promote their low tier talent
AND OTHER HILARIOUS JOKES NIJINIGGERS TELL THEMSELVES

>>44656877
>actively collab with indies and talents from other corps. And never refused them or discarded them when it suit them.
yeah, it's not like every vtuber group under the sun avoided hololive after the china thing or anything. meanwhil, anycolor has a long term relationship with bilibili.

>>44655135
Her boyfriend was caught being a Zaion anti on twitter.

>>44656900
Unlike you nigger, I do watch Vtubers of all companies. They are better than Hololive in supporting their low tier talent.

>>44656700
The future honestly doesn't look too bright for nijisanji. They're fucked if any of the top talents leave. The new blood isn't exactly pulling their weight in comparison.

>>44656877
>And never refused them or discarded them when it suit them
Coco / Kson…

>>44656950
Oh yeah. Ignore Hoshikawa and Toko who still collab with their friend in the middle of the Taiwan shitstorm. Ignore Shiishii who still friend with Okayu. Ignore Towa and Choco who have more friends in Nijisanji than in Hololive.

>>44657097
Axia/yugo/ziaon/lulu/mayuzumi/nijiid/nijikr/roa

>>44657097
Coco never friend with any Nijisanji.

>>44657030
nice sub cope

>>44656207
pic rel doesn't look like so

Her coming back but staying based and not bending the knee would def be the hardest path to take
Shit would inflame a culture war right in the fanbase

>>44657139
>Axia/
His problem is with his antis. He can pull a Chihiro move but he choose to quit.
>yugo/ziaon
En management are complete scumbag. I agree with you.
>lulu
She quit because Nijisanji being overly protective. Literally opposite of abandoned.
>/mayuzumi/
Some disagreement with how he want to move. Very complicated thing. Same with Melissa.
>nijiid
Very complicated.
>/nijikr/
Actually improved compared to pre merge.
>roa
Is in the middle of beating the shit of Meiro and Narukami with the help of Anycolor lawyers.

>>44657172
is this supposed to be impressive for brand new debuts?

>>44657474
Nijicope

>>44656700
>>44657030
i think vtuber market got too saturated, everyone numbers including holo all dropped the same since 2020, but niji have it worse especially for the new debut recently because their company is flooded with vtuber, too much noise end up drowning each other under a single flag

>>44657486
Yes? That is fucking impressive considering they only have Japanese audiences. Also that how new debut work not like Hololive who got 300k free subs from Seaniggers and globohomos for absolutely no reason other that blue doritos logo.

>>44657538
Toru and Sophia are having consistent 6k viewers in Minecraft and Zatsudan.

>>44657512
Nijisanji is scummy but everything he said is literally correct.

>>44657474
>nijiid
>Very complicated.
really?

>>44657512
>no comeback other than meme.
I accept your concession.

>>44657735
I cannot think anything that make Nijisanji scummy. Fucking Hololive have more black history than Nijisanji (Mel, Shion, Towa and Coco imprisonment, Cover caught paying a journalist to make antis statement) Most Nijisanji drama came from their talents. Never management. No. We don't talk about Ennigger. They are the whitest company in Vtuber world which is actually fucking sad.

>>44657029
is this your first day baiting?

>>44657953
ok zhang

>>44657645
>the stars of the wave barely break past the 5k wall with their buff content a month after debut
grim. very grim.

>>44659469
Which part in my statement is considered baiting?

>>44659530
Zhang never watch Nijisanji. Guess which company that massively boosted by zhang clip spam back in 2020.

>>44659748

>>44657474
>roa
DYRBI

>>44659777
>ccp chinese
grim

>>44659622
6k for new debut is actually very impressive. That how debut number really work. You got 2k in debut and gain over time when you proof yourself as good streamer. Like Toru and Sophia who climb into 6k/7k. Holo bloat number actually rotted your brain.

>>44659777
>ennigger.
That cancer is not real Nijisanji.

>>44660018
https://twitter.com/Sara_Hoshikawa/status/1561664757240700930
sure thing, sister

>>44660018
Ping pong bing chilling to you too

>>44652329
just wait until the fiscal year is over

>>44660394
Chink insect never watch Nijisanji.
And NijiEnigger only watched by chinksect Fujoshit who might as well be completely different species.

>>44660111
Hey isn't that the same streaming site Minato Aqua got popular on?

>>44660111
2 can play this game, Zhang.

>>44660890
Never forget this. Discarded chink's whore is still a chink's whore
https://bilibili.com/space/375504219

>>44661036
Oh. What is Fubuki doing in BiliBili? Is Holo really that desperate they run to BiliBili of all place?

>>44656007
>NIjisanji
>Salary
LMAO

>>44661131
Old ass footage.

>>44659983
This argument is hilarious to see after Salome

>>44661314
Well, it figures a rat gets along with rats.

>>44661232
https://vtuberstudio.com/news/298/
Sorry bro. But Chink whore is still chink whore even if they got discarded by Pooh.

>>44657474
>Is in the middle of beating the shit of Meiro and Narukami with the help of Anycolor lawyers.
She's been gone for longer than she was active dude. It's been 2 and a half years. If you actually believe she's coming back, you're retarded.

>>44661395
Sorry "bro", still ancient footage you posted.

>>44656700
congratulations, you didn't point anything
>>44656262
you get 100k in one month, you get 10x more views, you get more revenue than you had as indie, in general, youll get more popular if you join jp and en. proof? numbers are out there, compared their PL and their current, how fast they reached those subs and how many out there quit their jobs to be full time or make lots of money.
>>44661135
nice salary of $200 you get at hololive, bro

>>44661429
Hard cope WHorelozhang.

>>44661488
What cope?
Is that her old model she hasn't used in ages or is that her update model?
Asking you here. Be honest anon.

>>44661426
If rrat was right about her being underage, she might be studying right now. And her voicepack is still being sold. And with ongoing court battle with keemster and menhera goldfish, it safe to say she still gain money from Nijisanji.

>>44661395
Why are you crying njjizhang, you think people gonna fight your retarded war, im glad fubuki drop you like a brink. Holo gonna live rent free inside you head buddy.

>>44661945
>This zhangbot still think I'm chinksect.
Lmao. Update your botshill, Holozhang.

>>44652329
>>44653555
Jesus this company is fucked

>>44661945
>>44661584
>my pure oshis was never zhang prostitute. T-that was long time ago. It d-doesn't count!
You better scrap that chink semen from whorelochink hole more thoroughly.

>>44657538
>i think vtuber market got too saturated
There's no "think" about it, that's a fact. Even outside of the big businesses there are a ton of streamers switching over to representing themselves with an animated avatar of some kind.

What gets me is this isn't new technology. People were doing this shit years before Holo was even a concept and people just sort of looked at is at a joke. Someone puts actual money behind it for marketing and suddenly there are millions of weebs who care? It's amazing how easy it is to make retards believe they like something with what is effectively corporate propaganda.

>>44661395
Fubuki discarded the Zhangs when they wanted her to choose them over Coco, not the other way around.

he's really mad

>>44664918
>chinks are mad
And in other news the sky is blue

>>44662158
Vstreaming was a mistake, the original vtuber short videos were the best kind of content.

>>44662016
Unfortunately they have so many lovers that they don’t need to care about most of them.

>>44662158
>>44666730
man it's incredible the kind of takes you see in random threads sometimes
>streams bad! vtubers bad! it's all a conspiracy, no one likes this stuff!
if you actually believed this stuff you'd be off discussing your favorite tiktoks

>>44666730
Go to bed bao

>>44669467
>streams bad! vtubers bad! it's all a conspiracy, no one likes this stuff!
Who are you quoting?

>>44671646
those posts

Zaion will be returning on Saturday

>>44671676
Where? The only thing close to what you “quoted” was the sentiment that streaming is not great content.
Where was it said vtubers are bad? Where was it said that it was a conspiracy? Where was it said no one likes that stuff? Was it revealed to you in a dream?

>>44652329
Hopefully never. I will watch this dummy

>>44652329
Reminder Nijisanji has someone who's been on hiatus for 4 years.

>>44672101
>People were doing this shit years before Holo was even a concept and people just sort of looked at is at a joke. Someone puts actual money behind it for marketing and suddenly there are millions of weebs who care? It's amazing how easy it is to make retards believe they like something with what is effectively corporate propaganda.

>>44661426
i still miss Roa... she was one of the ones I watched when vtubing became big from clips

>>44661620
At this rate, even if she is going to win (which there hasn't been any indication, mind you, seeing that Narukami is still streaming fearlessly on Twitch after Cover struck his YT channel), she probably will gain less than what she'd have made without taking such a long break.
Why did she have to take a break to make her case, anyway? Micheal Cat had already sued and won against several antis, and she still streamed without taking any big break. Is one random lawyer that much better than AnyColor's legal team?

I hope zaion isn’t trying to get them to release her contract because as others have shown Niji has no problem just letting a liver sit for years and years.

>>44682522
>>44652994
>>44653555
How does a contract like that even work? So she can't even quit at all? I can understand if maybe she's signed on for a year, but how would she not be allowed to quit ever but at the same time not be allowed to do any indie stuff? Genuinely fucked up, even holo lets their talents do stuff on the side if they want to.

>>44686692
How is this even legal?

They will probably graduate on March 31.

In Japan, contracts are often renewed in March and there is a good break.

>>44652329
She can come back if she tries to get better

>>44657750
Yes. Most of them are lazy pieces of shit obsesst with ID PRIDE ID NO.1 but at the same time Anycolor really are abandoning them. Can't blame them though, KR are doing a lot to talk with the JP senpai while ID is just rotting by itself other than Hyona and Mika. Taka is inclining too

>>44688230
Can't get better when you're already the best.

>>44661426
I don't know why I have to keep explaining to you fuckers that Roa has consistently released NEW voice packs ever since her hiatus.

>>44652994
>>44653555
What the actual fuck is this?
Is Nijisanji just holding her hostage? Not letting her go and be indie or join another corpo, but not letting her stream either?
Actual black company.
Tho I'd say anyone making a deal with Nijisanji and not having a lawyer check the contract first deserves this sh it. But to be fair maybe a desperate vtuber would agree to those conditions.
This is really fucked up.
Can't she just breach her contract and get fired on purpose?

>>44657538
The market is definitely saturated and Nijisanji has a lot of the blame lmao
Notice how Hololive kept quality over quantity, had a lower release rate and maintained a unique brand that remained strong and it actually paid off.
Nijisanji went the pre-console crash gaming industry route of accelerationism while Hololive took the Nintendo route.

>>44688672
No, that anon is either fucking stupid or baiting. Kataribe wasn't really friends with anyone in Niji BUT - she did make one friend. Another loner in Niji by the name of Miyako. Miyako has talked about Kataribe multiple times recently, about how she's busy with college and doing well. Amemori Sayo is the same, only she does take time off from college every now and then to do some streams. Nobody knows what's going on with Zaion, but with Kataribe it's cut and dry - she's choosing to renew her contract and plans on actually streaming once she graduates.

>>44688102
That's actually retarded if they did that. At that point you might as well renegotiate and figure put how to solve whatever problem is happening with her behind the scenes.

>>44660732
>nijicn is a thing
>regular bilibili streams
>bilibili owns anycolor stock
>BUT CHINKS DON'T WATCH NIJISANJI BRO
the absolute state of nijicope

>>44688824
>Notice how Hololive kept quality over quantity
NO
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>44688668
Because you find that far more compelling than a normal person who sees someone stuck in eternal limbo. Because you have a vested interest in doing so.

>>44686692
There's probably some kind of penalty fee ziaon needs to pay if she wants to quit early, but not if she's actually fired, so both sides are just kind a sitting there waiting for the other party to make the first move because its more advantageous for them if they do

>>44652994
>Nijisanji will announce suspensions but hides graduations
>Hololive will announce graduations but hides suspensions

>>44692333
Yellow batsoup covered fingers wrote this post

>>44693110
>Nijisanji will announce suspensions
>what is gwelu

>>44687070
I'm pretty sure it isn't actually.
If Zaion just started streaming on her PL, I don't think Anykara has any real legal recourse.

>>44693439
Anycolor can still take them to court. They might not win but it'd still cost zaion a ton in legal fees that she can't afford

>>44693110
nijisanji will hide everything if they can, including livers' compensations, anon

>>44654887
>broken rules.
Them vagueposting. It's complete bullshit. What rules? No angering twitter troons? If that's the case, fuck their whole company and the horse they rode in on. Plenty of strong alternatives these days. PC and Idolcorp have been great so far this year.

>>44697445
Suing their own liver?
Black...

>>44693439
They could be forced to pay her legal fees if they lose, which they likely would.

>>44707503
>>44697445
Meant to respond to this one.

>>44707503
It would take years for a legal case like that to pan out, do you honestly think ziaon has enough money and will to pay for a lawyer for two years out of pocket?

>>44657538
>>44662158
>>44688824
Its as saturated as streaming on Twitch was 10 years ago

>>44688603
Fuck you. Layla is hardworking but her content isn't zoomer friendly.

what did she do again? say the word retarded too much?

>>44709276
It wouldn’t take years. Likely be dismissed/ subject to countersuit very quickly. Individuals can successfully deal with litigation from big companies here. And she would be generating income from her PL in the meantime, which wouldn’t flow through NIJ at all.

>>44710792
If anykara didn't include some kind of anti moonlighting clause in their contract I'll be very surprised

>>44711409
She can ignore it and let them sue to enforce it. The onus would be on them and she has a good case IMO from what i’ve seen.

>>44711630
And that would be reason enough for the case not to be dismissed outright, ergo 2 years of legal fees that need to be borne by her

>>44711730
Losers in suits often pay legal fees for the winner. And still a net profit for vs being in limbo and unable to generate income at their whims. If her income from PL is greater than legal costs its a no brainer to do it.

>>44711956
Yeah, after the case in concluded, and in the meantime she won't be able to stream either. And do you honestly think a 3view indie has enough money to be able to pay for lawyers for potentially years?

>>44711956
She could also solicit funds for her legal defense. She has enough attention to get some.I don’t like gofundme as they are politically biased but she could do that or the equivalent.

>>44712201
She can stream. Nij has no means to stop it. They would have to win a lawsuit to do so.

>>44712284
If the idea of her being able to stream is itself part of the lawsuit I'm pretty sure she can't stream while it's still going on or it'd be a contempt of court
And even if she could she's not going to earn enough to pay for lawyers just streaming and good luck getting sponsors when you're the subject of an active lawsuit

>>44712519
Not how it works. A judge would have to order it and wouldn’t be in the position to do before a verdict.

>>44652329
There's that KR girl who gets silently unoersonned. No announcement. No graduation/termination. No stream. Niji has their ways. Holols could never.

>>44714842
In fact at this point there's no evidence she even ever existed except for people's memory

>>44715020
????
https://twitter.com/AraChae2434
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmWqYB6y8gSfPONWGspuOWQ

>>44714842
>Holols could never.
Chris

>>44686692
>>44687070
Welcome to what the world is like without unions.
It's not even the most evil thing possible since Nijisanji could theoretically bill Zaion for the costs of creating her character and other costs related to managing her. If you think that's bullshit, companies will force you to pay for training and put in you debt by tens of thousands of dollars if you leave to soon.

>>44715326
Was terminated.

>>44717996
Collective bargaining wouldn’t work for vtubers with vast differences in income, merch deals, etc. she just needs to start her PL if NIJ is really trying to drag it out.