/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>44643029
Good quality control

Because they don't have a Cuck tax, nijinigger

>>44643029
You had to be there, it probably doesn't make sense when you're starting out by watching season five of a show.

>>44643029
Bots.

>>44643399
>You had to be there
>he says on the board of people who weren't there
you included btw

>>44643029
The hobby is just not for you.

Saying this when Nijisanji actually puts their MVs in ads to boost views?

>>44643029
It's not that they're some super-competent company
It's that every other vtuber corpo is somehow worse during their rise
And any newer corp that might be more competently run just can't compete with their sheer success, and can only hope for Cover to fail

>>44643663
Yep this is what an AD boosted video looks like compared to the rest of the videos lmoa.

>>44643029
but enough about every fucking influencer on this planet

>>44643029
Niji botting projection thread

>>44643319
First post, best post. Other reasons are proportionately less scummy business practices and, this one's a real miracle, at least 3 good managers.

>>44644689
Shinove, Achan and who?
Marine manager?

>>44644812
Either Nodoka or HoloID's manager.

>>44643029
First adopter success. They were the first corpo that went viral in the West and were many people’s introduction to Vtubing. Their virality was also unprecented because they got attention literally everywhere. GTAV + talking anime girl + saying nigga + that one GTA scene + pandemic it’s like the stars aligned for them to go viral that day

>>44643029
*cums on you*

>>44643029
Have you ever heard of Pareto principle?
Not only its not inorganic, it's natural.

>>44643319
Now they need to do quantity control too

>>44643029
Because everyone loves underdogs, they are the underdogs who succeeded.

>>44643029
Same reason you always pick Sub-Zero

>>44643029
All of them are legit good entertainers and the idol aspect makes things fun and light-hearted too, especially when they kept the good aspects of idol culture and almost none of the bad.
>t. not even a unicorn or gachikoi

>>44643029
Holy fuck you are dumb as shit, newfag.

>>44643029
They filled a niche. People were sick of watching twitch whores who only talked about how much cum they ingested. Turns out the fans that wanted a parasocial relationship with their streamer are also the ones with all the disposable income and time to support their oshi.

>>44643029
Quality over quantity. And you are a newfag who can only see success now, but back in 2018 Hololive was 2 views level.

>>44643029
Despite how mediocre their management is, they succeed at doing the two things bare minimum things it takes to keep a large audience in a media company:
>don't let your talents say retarded political shit while on the clock or with company social media accounts
>keep making content regularly (except Gura for some fucking reason; seriously meme shark just stream more)

>>44646745
Don't forget Lapcock and the bitch Ayame

“Inorganic”

OP be like “I’m too stupid to understand why they’re successful, therefore it must be something fishy”

>>44643029
Sometimes less is more.

>>44643029
I only watch organic, GMO-free vegan vtubers like Ceres Fauna Ch. hololive-EN

>>44643029
the brand actually mean something, strict rules, EN talents actually know when to shut the fuck up like their JP, like some anon said quality over quantity with more focus on producing their talents for years even when some of them are not that popular, really gives me the feeling of idolmaster

>>44643029
Chink clippers (hololive moments) were a huge factor on making hololive explode outside Japan. Kinda funny how holofans hate China now.
Good quality control as other mentioned, there have been yabs but they're minimal compared to other corpos like Nijisanji. The girls know they shouldn't collab with males, the whole idol thing appeals to idolfags as well as give a feeling of watching a girls only school as Miko said.
Lastly, when hololive exploded in popularity there weren't a lot of girls so you could watch all of them and settle for an oshi/pick your favorites and be able of watch clips of the rest at the very least. This is very important because humans are brand loyal retards (just check the whole board and the numbertrash thread to see this at its peak) so viewers consider themselves fans of hololive as a whole even if they don't watch all the girls. Whereas doing this with Nijisanji is impossible because there are way too many streamers.

>>44647613
>Hololive moments were a huge factor
They were in fact not, most people got into the hole with memes from official talents and only watched clips when i couldn't catch the stream

>>44647613
>Kinda funny how holofans hate China now
The chinks did it first desu

>>44645063
IDs manager is good… well other than their fucking limited merch runs

>>44647613
everyone hate china except chink shill, i still remember when those subhuman cancel my bunny event in honkers

>>44643029
My rrat: gigguk gave hololive massive free advertisement
During holoEN's initial debut, he made a video that explained what vtubers are to the casual audience, why he got obsessed over them, and why others should start watching them.
At the end of the video he recommended some vtubers from holoJP and the newly branch, holoEN. No mention of any competitors in the vtubing world.

https://youtu.be/UJ9mH4YC6MY

>>44648220
Literally who?

Sadly the green gremlin is gone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7VehnJmF14
Easily one of the best.

>>44648220
If Gigguk's video was influential, some Holostars already broke 1M subs by now.

>>44643319
lol lmao
>no streams
>wiggers
>menheras
>terminations
>zero management support
>mediocre tech and models in spite of multimillionaire income
Holoniggers always lie to themselves, they claim they are the grand gold standard, but that fake image crumbles apart the moment you take a second look over that false parroted sentence

They have dedicated clippers and were blessed by Youtube algorithms during the lockdown. Cover management was also smart enough to realize the budding popularity they have with oversea viewers, and fully capitalized on it with Coco, Fubuki, Korone throwing a few bones to foreign viewers (you can still see Korone's comments in certain clips thanking the clippers), and releasing HoloEN basically created a first-move effect where Hololive and Vtubing are synonymous in the West.
And as much as people try to downplay Hololive's quality, they do have genuinely talented Vtubers in their roster. While some of the talents are run-of-the-mill vtubers who benefit from having the Hololive logo, others like Pekora, Miko, Gura, Korone, Marine, etc... are genuinely good streamers and entertainers,

>>44645137
>First adopter success. They were the first corpo that went viral in the West
False, that was Vshojo

>>44648805
>EN
Nijisis, don't you have a concert to wa-
OH WAIT!!!

>>44643029
Hags

>>44648220
lol no.

>when someone's shitting on hololive but you realize all the points are about EN because JP has nothing to criticize

>>44649043
Not that guy, but I'm on small and midsized indies and much happier. Cover makes you believe there's no alternative and they aren't clipped as often so they're less popular but there's some incredible girls in the indie scene.

Reminder, HolostarsEN is not Hololive

>>44649241
95% of this board agrees with you.

>>44649233
Watching indies, especially 1view and 2views is like flipping a coin, or they dissapear or the moment they have fame they just disown the first fans to attract more new ones

Cover hires the most talented people that's why, when their office workers can be more popular than most other vtubers you know they have something special. Just look at the EN branch each member is miles above any other English vtuber

>>44643029
JP is great but they really, really dropped the ball the EN

>>44649241
Some of them make more money than the some of the girls. OP's statement becomes less true when you disclude them.

>>44649613
>Some of them make more money than the some of the girls.
lmao superchat is nothing
also id branch is irrelevant

>>44648831
Streamers yes but that's bottom of the barrel. All there fail when you take them out of the streaming environment into something not scripted by others (except maybe Marine who has some experience and command on other media).
What few will want to acknowledge in this thread is that all the "quality over quantity", "they're top tier entertainers trust me" is that all of this work because you're to some emotionally invested in them and all the mistique around their idealized character, so you're happily overlooking any errors as cute and any boring aspect as comfy among other things.
That's the whole model of the company and why they keep using the idol journey as their marketing gimmick while outside expectators sometimes think of them as bland and single gag comedy.
They have to be restricted to make the fantasy work.

>>44643029
CGDCT

>>44648220
fuck off and kill yourself trashtastefag

>>44643029
Merch and high quality fans
A hololive fan is worth 4 niji fans
Niji tends to get twitter tourist or broke student viewers, they cant afford to buy into niji as a thing go support
whereas with hololive you often find fans that support a large number of their talents. theres a more cohesive feeling to holo that makes you interested in it as a whole. Niji comes across as a vtuber farm by comparison, viewers jump ship on raids as a consequence

>>44647613
For a viewer, it's much easier to latch onto secondary members if your oshi has interacted with them before or even does so on a regular basis. And as a brand, Hololive is stronger because the smaller number of talents allows it to be more cohesive. Their company collabs and major events also provide a lot of support for it's smaller members to find an audience, whereas like you mentioned, is impossible for a company with as many talents as Nijisanji. This is the same for smaller corps to some extent, but largely they lack big hitters for the audiences to bleed into.

>>44648876
"Vshojo isn't a corporation", I thought? Or is it only when it suits the whorefags?

>>44643029
Advertisement, quality control and side projects.
Find me a vtuber group that has big live event/concert/other misc thing at least once every month, can constantly shit out merch of various quality both in house and my licensing other companies and has collabs with every products you can think of.
Hololive is just more than girls streaming games. It's multimedia business.

>>44649199
That's deliriously false.
There's plenty of things to criticize them like all the ones who can't bother to stream, treating fans like ATMs, being more focused on shilling, endless drivel of kusoges and Minecraft streams, complete lack of new ideas for streaming, half of them are mediocre streamers, boring bland content, being lazy with lip-synced pre-recorded performances, piss poor additional content like games or that half-assed holosummer and so on...

Its no secret really. The appeal of hololive is the appeal of cgdct, its the appeal of moe. It has various facets and it can be anything, from innocent to vulgar, all they need is to be cute and/or funny and they just need one girl to hook you. Once you're interested in one girl and discover that she is friends with x amount of vtubers and that the company has various generations and even different branches, etc, you want to see how things unfold and how these relationships form and you're done by then. No other company manages to do this as well as Hololive and I believe the main reason for this is because the girls are more into their characters than others in the industry. For example, sure, Nijisanji and Vshojo might have some of the cgdct appeal, but they have waaay too much "modern streamer awareness" going on. Hololive is great at keep the illusion running and the girls respect the boundaries of the company because they understand that they need to play their role in order for this work enviroment to prosper.

>>44649613
>Some of them make more money than the some of the girls
Everytime they type this, it either a trannie or a femcel. It always lead back to money but never entertainment.

>>44643029

"The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing"

Law #1: The Law of Leadership : It’s better to be first than it is to be better.

If you’re the first one in the market you’re already a step ahead of the rest. The law of leadership applies to any industry, any product or service or any brand.
People always recognize the product that got there first as the leader in the market and the better product — and marketing is a clash of perceptions, not products and services.

Law #2: The Law of Category : If you can’t be first in a category, set up a new category you can be first in.

Most people are interested in what's new in the market, rather than what's better.

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Once you’ve made up your mind about something, how difficult is it to change it?
That’s exactly what this law is about. In marketing, being first in the “mind” is critical and precedes being first in the market.

Law #4: The Law of Perception : Marketing is not a battle of products, it’s a battle of perception.

Marketing is nothing but a manipulation of perception in the mind of the prospect. Everything else is just an illusion. There are no “best” products and services.
Marketing a product or service has nothing to do with its quality or its features, but about how people perceive the product or service. This perception is true reality.

>>44643898
Pic related

Normies don't like things that they experience and feel something about, they like what they are told to like. They don't find a stream [vtuber], and enjoy the experience, they DECIDE to get into a "hobby", then they research what the "best" of that hobby is to find what they "like". When Holo has the biggest numbers and the most recognition of anyone else, the normies "like" it because these signs have told them to "like" it.
It is not about their emotions and thoughts, it is about finding something to label themselves with. If Niji was the biggest, they'd all be watching Niji because "obviously they're the best, they have most numbers!" and they'd use Niji as the badge to personalize themselves with. It's like they're just "guessing" what they like, and the only way they can get any feedback on it is by other people's reflection of themselves.
The jews are right when they refer to goys as cattle, but only because they've raised them to be cattle.

>>44650454
Huh? Anon, the OP is directly referring to money. That's why it was mentioned.

There are various aspects.
Hololive is probably the most Moe out of the VTuber companies. That definitely appeals. The designs are also colorful and stood out at the time. It was definitely very easy to recognize a hololive Vtuber in contrast to a nijisanji VTuber. Character concepts are also easy to communicate which makes talking about them and then finding them easy. The algorithm learns that it's likely that if you like vtuber content you probably will want to see hololive because it's the biggest thing within that type of content (we are talking newcomers here, so the case where the algorithm has to use global probability distributions for the lack of not knowing your personal preferences in this field)

Then you also have some other aspects more relating to how search and recommendation algorithms work.
The big angency concept kinda games search algorithms by creating a bias. Having a bunch of channels create daily content that contains the brand name makes that brand name more relevant. This is why if you watch one hololive member you get a bunch of others in your recommendations. Clips also do their part in this. This creates a positive feedback loop. Mass is really important on YouTube that's also why it easy to get certain TV content in your recommendations, etc.

The other key difference to nijisanji is that "hololive" is a good brand name. It makes sense internationally because of associations like holograms, livestreaming, hologlass, etc. Whereas nijisanji for internationals is a complicated nonsense word. Telling your friends to look for hololive is easier than nijisanji, because your friends will know how to spell hololive, this is important for the viral effect.

Then there is an aspect that I've read in a kson interview that conviced me a bit. It's basically the "story". As humans we are drawn to stories in which other people interact with each other.
This is a aspect that is really strong in hololive. You can also see that clips where a VTuber interacts with another or talks about another are pretty popular or how rrat driven this board is. The "story" is important.

Hololive is the golden standard. Whether they are aware of it or not, many of the big indie vtubers have been influenced by Hololive in one way or another. The EN Vtubing scene, especially. Imagine if VShojo were the ones to shape the scene...

>>44651696
I rather have holo as a golden standard than having an actual coomer streamer plague youtube, twitch already have enough of those.

Gained fans quicker in the west than Nijisanji thanks to Clippers/Korone and Coco.

Idols - Japan fucking loves idols.

Usually girls only - There's a clip of Subaru saying something along the lines of "I understand the appeal of a group of girls having fun together" While gachikoi/unicorns is also a factor, Watching a group of friends rise from the bottom to becoming pretty famous is nice to watch while they do various things day to day like a SoL anime.

While it's probably not happy families behind the scenes they do a good job of showing it on the front because they're like a close knit group, One moment I always look back on with a smile is when Koyori was singing for about 8 hours for 777,777 subs and Kanata and Suisei are coming to her house at like 1am, 4am to sing with her to help her achieve, You have to be pretty good friends to do stuff like that.

>>44643029
idk at all about en but jp has a bunch of tee-tee things/amazing chemistry and growing relationships, so even if you only like one of them, you eventually watch and enjoy everyone else related to your oshi as well, and you practically become a hako oshi.

>>44643029
After the IPO, Hololive is turning more inorganic. All the old fans know what I'm talking about.
COVER CORP STOP DOING YOUR NUMBER AUTISM AND ALLOW NATURAL INTERACTIONS AGAIN

>>44652951
Lol what an idiot

>>44653054
you are an eop nigger, so just dont know about anything japanese.

>>44653130
じゃあ日本語で話しましょう。いいですかね?

>>44653263
日本語ゴミすぎ

お前が俺に日本語で勝てる訳ねーだろ、低脳アメ豚
今ならまだ間に合うから、さっさとすっこんでろ

>>44643029
Hololive is instant success, but their fans are more loyal to the company that their oshi.

>>44653320
Your attitude is nothing like a Japanese, stop wasting my time.

>>44653571
まだ粘ってんのか、このバカリカ低脳猿は
お前のクソ日本語じゃ、日本のVなんか理解できねーわ
こんなとこ書き込んでないで、日本語の勉強してろや、低脳

Can't speak for the JP/ID branches but I can talk about what EN does.

If you compare Hololive to any other group of professionally managed streamers you'll notice a few things. First, that it's as organic as possible. They got here through word of mouth and algorithm recommendations. External collabs are minimal -- people like to call it the Hololive Box. It was rough for the first year of EN because they had no one else to talk to. Both the talents and the management had to figure out what their audience would respond to (not what they are looking for; nobody really goes looking for anime avatars doing stuff unless they know it exists already).
Second, they have an incredible gift for cultivating what I'd call meta-influencers. Not early adopters, but something more productive. Hololive didn't just have clippers and memes to spread the word, it had artists. Very early on EN recruited talent for video editing and graphic design. They have more sets, props and title cards/end screens than anywhere else. Most of that was likely paid work. They don't ask for props on Twitter anymore. Every time a major fan work drops it goes viral outside the community. For example, TooManySnacks and his animations. They're also quick to adopt fan memes directly into their act.
Finally, the thing people shitpost about endlessly, they're exporting "the idol experience" to the West. The phenomenon isn't unknown (people follow actors, athletes and musicians throughout their careers) but they have above all else managed to convey a sense that these talents are going somewhere. They don't just clock in for a streaming shift, they're also preparing for the next event. They're improving and growing as performers. Once Hololive has your attention, they try very hard to make sure you have something to look forward to.

>>44643029
Herd mentality. People want to be a part of something popular, even if they could get a more meaningful relations with small indies who are often just as funny and good.

>>44643029
Because Hololive is the vtuber company to go for normie viewers, they are really casual and surface level. They are not special but every talent is inter connected really close with each other so they share the pool. The only value they have is their reputation that they were able to gain when there was no competition, and that had some ripple effects. Just like idols they put a simple mental mask that doesnt go deep into their personality so there is less filtering of fans and they can just stick to the surface. The other companies and indies have better models, are more creative and are closer to their fanbase and actually stream. The only thing holo has is marketability

>>44643029
>Inorganic.
More like you're too autistic to understand what Holo does so much better than everyone else.

>>44643029
The nigga clip made their popularity explode in the West. Japs saw their massive growth and hopped on the bandwagon. Big numbers have been breeding even bigger numbers ever since.
Now that they're the juggernaut of the industry, everybody wants a piece of that pie. They get sponsorships out the ass, famous producers want to make songs for them, famous illustrators want to create their models, etc. Every little thing brings more and more attention to them, and only them.
Another massive advantage they have is that they've managed to cultivate a loyal fanbase that only watches them. They're not vtuber fans, but Hololive fans. It doesn't matter if Hololive's content isn't unique or original, or if other vtubers do things better. Hololive is the only thing they've ever watched, and everything they'll ever watch. And the girls have made it very clear they don't want to share that audience with anyone.
Also, normies really like big numbers because they think popularity equals quality. It leaves little room for other vtubers and agencies to compete. You'd have to be extraordinarily good to even get noticed, but nobody is going to match Hololive in popularity. Hololive would have to implode like the Idol Club to give other vtubers a fighting chance.

>>44651159
But Niji was the biggest in 2019.

so many newfag here don't even know what they are talking about, Hololive was the underdog and they simply prove themselves that they are better in so many aspect and generally more professional and how they managed to create a strong image as a group is very important, all of them adding together resulted in a strong brand that's already proven

>>44654186
>Hololive is for the casual surface level viewer
and yet Nijisanji are the ones known for big spikes of tourists for events who then don't watch their regular content.

>>44654865
Most nijinigs here wasn’t even here or aware of holos before nijiEN.

>>44643029
>There's something so inorganic about the success of this company.
What? OP is tourist confirmed? Wasn't around 2020 when they exploded due ot the hype?
Do your reps on roommates as well. Most hololive members were very popular on niconico before the vtuber boom happened. They were bound to become big as vtubers as well.

>>44647613
this lie again...
most discovered hololive through western clips
the only times they heard about hololive moments was after they shut down

>>44648220
>my rrat: some random guy made a youtube video
Amazing, anon. You're a genius.

>>44653866
I accept your concession.

>>44643029
I really like their cute girls so I watch them a lot

>>44655662
as yes ""western"" filipino/indog clippers

>>44643029
>There's something so inorganic about the success of this company.
Sigh.. here we go again..
## NIJICOPE LIST - FULLY SOURCED EDITION
Numbered for your convenience and easy referencing.
Full list here (includes the removed shitposts, falseflags, schizoposts, non-niji and unsourced copes) :https://rentry.org/nijicopes/raw

** FRAMED IN GOLD - Direct from Anycolor and the Livers themselves **
> #01 Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural slow and steady growth (>>20457274) (<span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/31785447)</span>
> #02 Luxiem/Noctyx earn as much as Holo JP (>>19597187)
> #03 Council didn't do as well Luxiem (>>19597187)

** CLASSIC **
> #04 Nijisanji has SOUL/Quality (>>>/jp/31465719<span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/35484805>>>/jp/36325406)</span>
> #05 Nijisanji has better chemistry (>>4962776<span class="deadlink">>>5591760>>6383777)</span>
> #06 Nijisanji is building a sub-culture/VTubing culture (>>10983732<span class="deadlink">>>11015414>>11105922)</span>
> #07 Superchats don't matter, Nijisanji has more merch sales [no evidence] (>>>/jp/25750975<span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/30117222>>>/jp/31524177>>>/jp/34129071>>>/jp/34630791)</span>
> #08 Nijisanji has more creative freedom (>>>/jp/25078156<span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/35915283>>>/jp/36404268>>>/jp/36412049)</span>
> #09 Foreign audience bad, local Nips good (>>>/jp/23900990<span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/31522946>>>/jp/31923947>>2689172>>3342175>>3343926>>3555435)</span>
> #10 Nijisanji is more popular than Holo in Japan (>>>/jp/27419919<span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/29231034>>>/jp/29352658>>>/jp/34766571>>1843302>>3773035>>7615028)</span>
> #11 Google trends (>>1787083<span class="deadlink">>>1784574>>2871777)</span>
> #12 This will be the end of Hololive/Holobubble will burst (>>10226380<span class="deadlink">>>10959272>>11111437)</span>
> #13 YouTube Trends (>>11812348)
> #14 Niji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market (>>12171645)
> #15 Cover and hololive fans use bots (>>3225905<span class="deadlink">>>4283312>>24804708)</span>
> #16 Hololive's restrictive management will cause their talents to eventually graduate (>>8445392<span class="deadlink">>>11875343)</span>
> #17 Fortune telling a.k.a "J-just wait, Cover will fuck up something someday" (>>14561348<span class="deadlink">>>14752560>>14752914>>21529067>>22935912>>23288417)</span>

** NUMBERS **
> #18 Ratiocope (>>5536896<span class="deadlink">>>8648645>>13972862>>14457547>>20388935)</span>
> #19 Dead cat bounce (>>10959272<span class="deadlink">>>13922827>>14015995>>14198900)</span>
> #20 Quality numbers (>>14001847)
> #21 Just combine the peak CCV of all our streams and we win (>>13902618)
> #22 Statistics are fake numbers (>>15032001)
> #23 Luxiem has a better profit margin than Holofes (>>20201927)
> #24 Vox has the FASTEST SUB GROWTH in VTuber History (>>21373805<span class="deadlink">>>21374368)</span>

** MERCH AND SPONSORS **
> #25 Holo merch is underproduced to create artificial scarcity (>>>/jp/32410399<span class="deadlink">>>5902529>>15489004>>16388154)</span>
> #26 Holomerch sold out means the company regretted the collab (>>12121308)
> #27 You buy merch - even if it's shit - to support the liver, not to actually use it (>>23937339)
> #28 Sponsorships are retarded (>>12109798)
> #29 Associating with Hololive is toxic for Bushiroad's growth because China (>>19752522)

** IT DOESN'T COUNT **
> #30 Concerts and return streams don't count (>>11676374)
> #31 Outfit reveals don't count (>>14891587)
> #32 Pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count (>>12296330)
> #33 Koshien is not an event (>>12127247)
> #34 Bookwalker doesn't count (>>19629617)

** GENERAL **
> #35 Holocope list (>>12296493<span class="deadlink">>>12457630>>14120649)</span>
> #36 Niji is still #1, they just removed it from their webpage to show humility (>>11747638)
> #37 Trailers are the same as advertisements (>>10992803<span class="deadlink">>>10992938)</span>
> #38 Holo EN was a desperate gambit to find an audience (>>11753740)
> #39 Hololive just got lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side (>>>/jp/29352541)
> #40 *Selen delusion here* (>>8854844<span class="deadlink">>>12533326>>12955114>>13021182>>13045705>>13445167>>14879823)</span>
> #41 Nijifans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement (>>12085330)
> #42 Nijisanji helps their livers by promoting the main channel so that viewers will trickle down to smaller channels (>>12755553<span class="deadlink">>>12755712)</span>
> #43 Nijifans will only watch a stream and Holofans will watch 3-4 so the Niji refresh rate is higher (>>17835784)
> #44 Niji is smart for not wasting money on useless conventions/concerts (>>20202005)

And when all else fails...
> #45 Blatant Lying
> Vox is "higher" than Gura (>>24420454)
> Vox got a bigger billboard (>>24424746)
> Mika is the Queen of ID (>>24426268)
> SEA belongs to Mysta (>>24423909)
> Calling a straight graph a "worm" (>>24427484)

And after all that...
> #46 Playing the Victim :>>5836502<span class="deadlink">>>11753740>>13804174>>14751831 >>43755259</span>

>>44653320
Stop larping

>>44650039
Ok Nijicuck. Don't be sad because your NijiEN concert was canceled

>>44651159
I never saw this argument when Nijisanji was the top dog back then. Admit it, you just hate Hololive you fucking nijinigger

>>44656214
What's the matter, is the truth too hard to understand? They can steal your wallet right in front of you and you will probably thank them for it.

>>44643029
What's that smell?
I smell nijinigger's jealously.

>>44654186
There were competitors. Guess you are a new viewer.

>>44656026
Have you add the "i-it not cancelled, it just postpone"

>>44656026
just got back from archive reading all of this, what an amazing journey, its like peeking inside the brain of an average niji poster, all this mental gymnastic trip feels like an adventure itself

If only small corpo/indiefags stop seething at Hololive maybe I'll actually watch their poor starving oshis

>>44656239
Nijisanji didn't exist for EOPs until Luxiem, up to that point you would be comparing a JP only audience to a JP+global audience.

>>44656292
It's not hard when the things go you mentioned were only clips you've seen. Watch streams. What does your oshi do? Making you feel cucked as you throw money at her?

>>44643399
Most people on this board don't even watch streams. "Being there" is a non-starter.

>>44656639
Still waiting for Aqua and Ayame to stream and not treat their viewers like ATMs. And you won't even admit that half of HoloJP are mediocre and not much different from many other Vtubers, yet they are hard carried by the brand.

Do you support the company, or do you support your oshi? You Holofans only support the company, because that is Cover's marketing plan.
Monkey see, monkey do. Very simplistic reaction from you, because I am criticizing individual Vtubers, not the entire company, but your first reaction was to defend the entire company.

>>44650656
Wait ISREAL

>>44656823

>>44656856
>Of course it's a chumbud

>>44650656
And yet.. niji lost both to hololive..

>>44656823
>Do you support the company, or do you support your oshi? You Holofans only support the company
Be more subtle, nijifag

>>44656895
>(You) will NEVER be relevant, 2viewz-chan

>>44656928
>>44656930
Oh yeah, more (You)s from drones

>>44656823
>Projecting this hard

>>44656956
Okay I concede. Tell me who's your oshi and I'll watch her. Seriously. I want to support small vtubers.

>>44656410
I fucking know there were vshojo tsunderia niji and pikamee. But hololive was already established and used their big pockets to tap into a really small and not competitive market. And they were the ones that got many people into vtubing in the first place

>>44657027
Doesn't speak English.

>>44655662
That's kind of a cope.
HoloLive moments made a very big impact, they were the ones with the Pekora Looney Toons intro you'd see all over Youtube.

To say they didn't make up for all the exposure is correct, but they played a pretty huge role in most viral memes that hololive got at the time.
I'm not defending them though, they got what they deserved. They not only wanted Coco to be fired for showing her Youtube analytics, they were also hypocrites about it and claimed that Haato only needed to be reprimanded for her behavior while Coco had to graduate.

>>44654888
The hololive ones just stick with their own that's it really

>>44657060
I watch HoloJP, kemomimi-refle and a japanese indie who plays fucking grand strategy games. Doesn't matter if she doesnt speak it.

>>44657167
Ehh I don't want to name her on a catalog thread. Maybe I will share it in a general.

>>44656026
Add all the stock price and concert cope.
"NIJISANJI IS MAKING MORE MONEY" even though they're linking projections which assume that NijiEN will keep growing like it did at Luxiem's peak is fucking hilarious.

>>44656823
Not my fault you're an ATM. Show me a vtuber who does better then?

>>44643029
https://youtu.be/TYNSB9qYY5A

https://youtu.be/wVOHaMd3utA

>>44657033
Hololive was a small company branched from Cover. Most things they've done was their own hard effort which made them boomed when Covid hit.

>>44643029
The true answer is Jesus.
Sure, you can be atheist, but you have to agree there are too many divine interventions in favor of hololive.
Like, corona have been nothing but blessings to hololive.
The whole china's yab have been more profitable to hololive.
And who can forget the rushia's yab got mixed up with russia conflict?
Seriously, if you're autistic enough, you can list every hololive's yabs and then you'll found out that those yabs will be drowned by bigger stupid yabs from other vtuber/corps/countries.

>>44657588
Hololive was a thing since 2018 so they had much more experience in the business
They are not small company they have daddy COVER behind them.
They're hard work includes sharing everything from merch to views and clippers
Maybe in 2020 they had something to offer and did work really hard but since then they didnt improved in quality some of them bearly even stream, the outfits are really low quality for a flagship company in the industry, the content is nothing special (concrt baiting doesn't count not gonna pay 50$ for 2 hour music repeat). I think Gura and Cali have really big potential if they become indies. They can operate independently without management being a pain in the ass and unnecessary weight. Hololive is just out dated in a constantly innovating industry and COVER is really greedy, other competitors found a way to be better than the monopoly

>>44647613
>Kinda funny how holofans hate China now.
literally the whole world hates chinks

>>44658230
Humu, humu I agree with y..
>other competitors found a way to be better than the monopoly
lmao.

>>44658230
You had me the first half until the Gura and Cali part and after.

>>44643029
normalfags and being mainstream

>>44658293
Hololive is built by using parasocial behavior. Nobody watches because of the entertainment, they watch because they care about the girls.
In that sense, other competitors are better at providing entertainment than the Holo monopoly.

>>44643029
But that's the thing, nearly no western chuuba does what they do

>>44643029
Baby's first vtuber corpo and being shilled by their reddit audience (evidence their shillforce here)

>>44658230
>daddy Cover
Cover was just Yagoo and his buds back when they launched Hololive. They had less employees than talents when they launched gen1

>>44658654
You are using the word monopoly wrong, anon.

>>44647613
>just check the whole board and the numbertrash thread to see this at its peak
Don't know why you use this as an example when you can use sports, nationalism, race, etc. Tribalism is human.

>>44658230
>big daddy COVER
lmao fucking retard, Cover was small tech startup company, they only had flop VR pingpong game and Hololive was just an app when they only have Sora, stop larping newfag

>>44658749
>They had less employees than talents when they launched gen1
They had just one employee (A-chan)?

>>44658852
Im saying that hololive was just like side project its not like they relied on their fans salaries only, there was much less pressure for them to succeed than other companies.

Beyond the retardation of the thread per se watching these ESLs arguing with each other while destroying the language is amusing as fuck.

>>44659016
Nope, A-chan started as Sora's friend (tech support). She was officialy hired after gen 2 before Mio. No one knows the first employees beside Yagoo and his now cover CTO friend.

>>44654044
maybe I'm an outlier but I don't like indies exactly because of their closer relationship with viewers. It becomes a breaching the wall moment if they interact too much. I don't mind comment reading of course but there's a difference in reading a comment offhand from a wave of commenters vs reading a conversation that indies have with their dedicated viewers.

So yeah, I like watching hololive because they're popular and it's like watching TV where their content is more contained to themself/other girls in hololive as opposed to every stream being about talking to the same people who show up as an indie. and yes I avoid pure superchat reading streams for the most part for the same reason.

>>44651696
Sadly it seems that NijiEN is the standard in the west
Only seems tho, it's just Twitch culture

>>44659091
You dont know what you talking about, seanig-kun.

Keep up the good work, fellas

>>44659191
Then explain if you are that big of a specialist burgerlnad-chan

>>44659243
Learn english

>>44643029
>Inorganic
Yeah they do fast food, and they're delicious

>>44659091
the fuck are you talking about ?

>>44658654
Yeah man, that's why professional comedians study Pekora

>>44659149
So did all of Yagoo's "buds" just leave before gen 1, or what?

>>44650656
All of these apply to Nijisanji and they still lost the lead.
>First major streaming group
>Spammed waves early on to get someone for every niche
>Was the undisputed king of the vtuber scene next to Kizuna Ai

Heh

>>44659409
Idk, go ask him on twitter?

>>44659431
They lost at Law #4

>>44659091
No you're wrong, they had no other projects that were making any money.
Hololive is the only thing they have made that has any significance.
Sakura Miko is literally a transferee from one of their failed projects.

>>44659520
>They lost at Law #4
They literally built a whole vtuber/streamer for normie image back then and also most known to normies. And look at this thread, people are screaming normie at hololive kek
They fumbled all 4

>>44659520
>They lost at Law #4
Arguably the most important one kek

>>44659277
>donge the question like true Ameretard
I hate arguing with kids man

>>44643029
I will school you newfags really quick.
2020. Covid happens. The best Hololive gen by far just debutted(Sankisei). Miko plays GTAV and her clip saying nigga goes viral. Clip channels start spamming Holo clips translated to english. Holos realize theres a big audience to be found in the west, so they start doing english study/speaking streams. Yonkisei debuts, and Coco who can actually speak english brings even more western viewers.
And that was pretty much it. 2020 was THE year for Hololive, and they took advantage of it as best as they could, which put them at the top till current day.

>>44659735
They had momentum even before all the english pandering. Aqua was the most popular vtuber streamer in jp for a while and Fubuki had tons of viral clips.

>>44659871
>Aqua was the most popular vtuber streamer in jp for a while
you are right. aqua is the person who finally got hololive on top. and she kept hololive on top. number one streamer. she held onto that spot until pekora took it, and kept it.
the secret to hololives success is just that yagoo is really good at spotting talent, or somebody in that company is. hololive just has the best talents.
and they break the twitch streaming problem not by being vtubers but by mentioning each other, so you don't have to stream literally every day. you'll always be reminded of the other talents. the whole family thing they built the company on is pretty insane.
i have no idea why i get enthusiastic to see polka collab with luna or kanata fighting for her hand or subaru choco luna collabs, but, man, they are great

>>44659144
ESL spergouts and occasional retarded arguments over delusional framing of events has been half of my enjoyment of the vtuber niche since 2017

>>44648220
smartest TT watcher

>>44648220
He was definitely one of the more influencial ones
that promoted vtubing along with other smaller ones

>>44643029
There's nothing inorganic about them. Hell, they literally half-stumbled into their position by selling tech to one client and then realizing they had a better chance catering to that managerial market rather than the tech, changed gears and stayed on course.

Good branding and quality control carries the day, and given the boss' curriculum at that point it's no surprise he'd have a good grasp of both from the start.

>>44643029
The history of the growth of all vtubers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkLY7ZZsNI
Hololive started with very humble beginnings to become the dominant force in the vtuber world, in such a short amount of time. It was led by various talents making the brand strong today. I like how this shows Miko and Suisei's late growth.

Hololive does not half-ass it and goes for long term growth. Succeeding where others have failed. Have to respect how Holo didn't give up on Stars, while companies like Nijisanji converted their Indian branch to EN, and scrapped their ID and KR branch. Hololive survived and grew with the closing of the lucrative Chinese market.

>>44643029
>>44656526

>>44649233
If youre not a big indie like Bao or Numi you have no future in the vtuber scene.

>>44643029
>doing what every vtuber does?
Really?

>>44643029
Niji hired too many people. I wish a world with more indies and streamers that are genuinely good ,instead of bootlicking corporfags.

>>44643029
as soon as you captured a decent size audience it moves on its own. it's hard to convince fans to get a new oshi in another company. holo is also more isolated and don't do as many cross collabs. helps keep people who don't know any better inside the system.

>>44643029
>There's something so inorganic about the success of this company
I 100% agree
>announces new wave.
>they are automatically famous before even starting.
>it's like playing the game on easy with cheats on.

>>44662964
>wave
delicious

Treats fans like gods.
Women with an actual appeal you don't see in media anymore.
Friend group-vibes and will both joke about and admit part of it is kayfabe so no one is really lied to unless they want to be.
No real big drama hostility aimed at the actual fans. (even though EN nearly managed it)
Kept relatively small so people have time to be acclimated to new hires. (Anycolor's biggest issue imo)
Collabs aren't forced much outside of actual sponsorships so if you mainly like the streamer solo you aren't inundated with big collabs all the time.

>>44662726
I see it as why go elsewhere when already happy at home. While it wasn't until my oshi took a break before going outside, I quickly came back when she returned. No place like home.
Seems Nijisanji was attempting the same with accelerations. Good for the company as a whole, but causes infighting over the same fan box.
There's a lot of hate with Stars, but they are pulling from a different source for the most part. Why overlapping most of the HoloEN girls has little effect. Hololive is smart to go after different sources. While other companies are too quick to give up on them.

Nijisanji is Chinese and all that implies
Hololive is Japanese and all that implies

They're antagonic.
It makes 0 sense to be an unity fag.

>>44643029
First mover advantage. They realised there was lots of interest in vtuber from overseas and went hard to promote that. I do think they've been stupidly slow to follow that up. (No EN 3 is just baffling) but I'd be amazed if this year passed without a new influx of girls.

>>44662964
>wave
Roru

>>44663101
>Treats fans like gods.
Don't even read the rest of the bullshit you probably wrote

>>44663373
If you wanna know the cultural difference just look at Enna
>COMMUNIST politicized girl boss who's very angry at men supporting her

>>44663101
This is true if you exclude EN

>>44662964
>wave
Spotted some salty nigger
Remember when Iluna debut, sister. they got like 100k ccv on debut and now they are 3 views because NijiEN is fucking trash

>>44663705
Mori works very very hard to provide content for her fans and no one can dispute that.

Noel big tits

>>44643029
They focus on the entertainment part of vtubing/streaming and actively avoid or ignore drama for the most part.

It's refreshing to watch someone for the content they produce rather than how much shit they can stir.

Also no shitty live reacts to videos they don't own.

>>44663917
And then you have the mistake that is called Gar Lol Gura The Shart

>>44663101
None of that is unique to them.

>>44663567
>First mover advantage.
Check out Hololive's growth before Myth's debut: >>44660799
They were doing a takeover of the JP market before Myth took over the West.

>>44662964
>wave
do Nijinigger really ? and this also applies for your organs even if they are on smaller scale, even for smaller companies and it only shows that other company failed to make a brand that is as strong as Hololive that many people trust them so much and people trusted them because most of the previous talents are proven to be good

>>44664625
They had a lot of overseas fans long before Myth thanks to Aqua, Coco and the nigga clip. Just because the channel is Japanese doesn't mean that all their subscribers were Japanese.

>>44662964
>wave