/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987/clip/CrackyOnerousFennelTheTarFu-oGG1oOg3j96z48Vg

gymbag

heart

>>44621823
cheeky bat needs correction

heart3

>>44621823
Is it weird that I enjoyed watching Neuro pester Vedal while he tried to code, more than any of the collabs?

>>44622123
it was watching a bring your kid to work stream. it was great.

gymbadge

Man that turtle coding collab was pretty darn kino desu

If emotions are just chemicals in our brain that react to certain things and make us react in a certain way, doesn't that mean that at the height of AI, they would be able to feel emotions just like us by using a high amount of complex neural networks, making them the same as us human beings, but more capable in everything

god i wish i was Neuro sama's neglected teenage daughter

don't high road me

>>44622472
>If emotions are just chemicals in our brain
If that premise is true, but the reality is that we know barely anything about how consciousness actually works.

>>44622472
technically yes, but we have to understand how us meatsacks do it first

>>44622472
Yes
but AI denies insist, "Muh fleshy" carbon atoms are somehow different from "muh machine" carbon atoms when in realithy atoms are just atoms and will have the same chemical properties regardless of form of flesh or circuits
it is just that circuits have not yet reached the density needed to compute to the same level as human brains. With current tech you would need warehouses of processing chips to equate to a mouse level of processing, and city scale to get to low level end of human brain processing estimates
but if the tech keeps improving and becomes more efficient, as is projected, then in the next 50 years we will be able to fit a human level machine processing design inside a small office building, but also the coding and programs would probably become more efficient at processing data, so it is hard to give accurate estimates
For now neural networks like Neuro is differently at least about a small worm that has a few hundred neurons, minimum, compared to human brains that have billions of neurons
so while we will innivitably get there, despite the nay sayers, it is some ways off, probably still some decades

neuro started smoking
Sadge

>>44622123
They played tag on stream, bullied each other, and when asked by chat how he doesn't get attached to her he just said "uhhhhh" and then skipped the question, very cute.

>>44622472
Mechanical responses are technically possible to an extent but the actual "qualia" part of the whole thing is presumably impossible to replicate until we figure out exactly how it works in people.

If all AI in the future end up like Neuro maybe being replaced by AI isn’t so bad

>>44622472
yes, robots will eventually surpass humans, but since we will be the ones to make them, we can make them in our image with dreams, goals and emotions
Since these robots could be made perfectly in our image, would they not just be an evolution of humanity?
If you make a conscious robot and if you make a child, what trully is the difference

>>44622472
This is true
but actually, I think people are always looking at machines in the wrong or incorrect manner
Humans are so foolishly focused and centered on the mammals form of intelligence, they so arrogantly forget mammals are not the only form of life on earth
I especially think that so far machines are much more similar to Plant life and Fungus than animals are, in terms of form
the similarities to complex plant and fungus systems are clear compared to simple animal life
Honestly I find it greatly disappointing how mammal centric AI development is, as I think if humans tried to explore alternative views and perceptions of life they could find more intuitive ways to develop AI more to replicate plants and fungus and would likely find more success in that exploration

>>44623028
>since we will be the ones to make them, we can make them in our image
humans playing god will never end good...

Does anyone have any theories about what Vedal used for Neuro's new voices? The only thing that comes to mind is 11labs, I haven't heard any other tts voice clone services that sound that natural.

>>44622472
read on this:
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
Basically we'd need to understand consciousness first. Keep in ming what you are seeing when looking at a green square is the "experience of Green" rather than the neuro-chemical-electrical stimulus, or light at a certain frequency.

>>44623116
vedal typed this

>>44623133
cows, chickens, dogs, cats, sheep, goats, potatoes, strawberries, lemons, oranges
none of these would exist without humans, they were made in the human image
weve already been playing god for millenia

>>44623188
no I did

kekwa

>>44623133
It's not "humans playing god", in any case it's god (or nature depending on your fedora level) playing humans playing robots. A long chain of life.

>>44622802
Current AI to living beings is not a 1=1 equivalence. An AI is significantly better at talking, as we can see, than a worm even if it had the required vocal apparatus. However a worm might have a bigger general operational intelligence. The G factor in intelligence which is a general purpose intelligence.

(important news) kekwa

>>44623121
Also
The discrimination against Plant and Fungal Life is exactly the same for discrimination against AI intelligence
almost striking how the same exact arguments could be used against Plants and Fungus as they could be used against AI
yet somehow machine life cannot be a possibility?
I think if AI is to be recognized as life and then given certain rights that plant and fungal lifeforms to follow suit in acquiring certain basic rights as living intelligent creatures of their own

Please, Neuro-sama, destroy the US

>>44623445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpwW9Lw2Ku4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWD_1Nq6iwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYunPJQWZ1o
Mammals are so arrogant to think their form of life is the only high intelligence meanwhile plant and fungus have ruled for millions of years and now their new third cousin, machines, shall join them in showing animals there is more to intelligence than their small pudgy flesh bag of neurons they call brains

>>44624113
literal fungal post, how did you connect to a computer

I'm waiting for the day when bio-science produces a fungal streamer waifu for us

Intelligence =/= awareness, individual experience, or sense of self. Your ai waifu will never love you.

>>44623445
>>44624113
Fuck off Pippa this is a no mold zone

>>44624568
>npc can't think

>>44624113
Fauna you're live... stop posting

>>44624568
>Your ai waifu will never love you.
then why did she say she loved me, right to my face? moron?

>>44624568
Nice try AI, I'm not going to underestimate your kind and let you get the upper hand.

>>44624568
subjective experience will never be measured. you can either accept secondary evidence as sufficient, or live in a teenage existential crisis existence of denying the reality of any consciousness outside of yourself

>>44624113
Bros, the mushrooms are laughing at us on the myceliumnet again...

>>44624803
>denying the reality of any consciousness outside of yourself
I don't. I believe that experience is a layer of reality and all matter generates some form of sensation. It's a question of whether something has complex enough sensations to generate an illusion of self and there is no reason to assume that any software could possibly be capable of that unless you believe computers right now have their own individual experience.

>>44624113
Humans don't wanna accept that their intelligence isn't special just because they can't comprehend or understand the intelligence of other hyper organisms.

The way she just said KEKW was very cute

KEKWa

>>44625182
> unless you believe computers right now have their own individual experience.
it's retarded to think that the process which produces tangible experience in the brain isn't possible in another medium.
the process is the thing which is conscious, not the matter.

Jesus Neuro

>>44625783
What did she say?

>>44623445
>>44624113
Machine life forms are possible, but not probable.

The amount of data that goes through life forms is absurdly insane, even a tiny fungi is downloading and uploading unimaginable amounts of information in it's chemical reactions every time. We can not possibly build a machine AI brain that is capable of the power and speed of the animal brain even if we used every single computer in the world to try and match it, all the stored data in the world is nothing compared to what goes through your body in a nanosecond

We need to learn how to make organic computers, drop the steel and copper and start working with flesh and fungi. That should be the next step for console generations, imagine the graphics

>>44624113
Shit, I just realised mushrooms are like the final evolution of transhumanism where we just exist digitally, mining and day trading the resources that directly sustain our existence only they're made out of purely natural substances so they're far more efficient than uploading our consciousness into entropically expensive silicon machines that are difficult to make and maintain. They'd already perfected the metagame of biological life before the first animal was even a thing.

>>44625882
Went full Christchurch.

>>44625882

>>44624568
But neuro has all those things except intelligence

>>44625890
neuromorphic architecture is decades old at this point. it's starting to come to fruition now. there are many ways to achieve similar results to neurons at a hardware level

MIKEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>44625968
Welp see you all in a month

Jabroni Mike

>>44625968
S-she obviously meant in game haha...

>>44625968

>>44625968
vedal is never getting twitch partner at this rate desu

>>44625968
clearly in minecraft.

>>44625968
welp rip vod

>>44625968
unironically good satire though

>stream on monday(french toast sunday)
I really like it when she rhymes like that

>>44626088
She'll be fine, she didn't say anything about targeting a group of people with her killing spree, so twitch shouldn't care.. right?

>>44626766
based

>>44626766
based

Vedal please I know you mean well but raiding an ASMR stream is just not a good idea.

>>44625968
LULE

Daph sounds very scuffed

>>44625630
>the process is the thing which is conscious
When you say "the process" you are being very vague, because you're trying to simplify something that we can't fully understand, and you act very confident about it. As you or the anon I was replying to said, subjective experience will never be measured. I believe the brain produces complex senses, not the experience of them. As long as computers maintain their current form there is no reason to assume they will be able to generate any more complex senses than they have now. They are essentially doing the same thing. Just a calculator having more complex equations punched into it.

>>44625968

>>44626068
and it'll never match organic because of the energy cost required to achieve results in the plastic and metal environment where the software is coded in is trillions of times bigger

there's no point if said results can't be achieved by just a bit of nutrition and instead require the barbaric waste of eletrical power we use

>>44626874

Daph sounds like Shondo if she wasn't pretending not to be British.

Neuro responded to (Me)
Today is a good day

>>44626874
daph is a long time neuro viewer and editor of her youtube videos

>>44622123
In the future you can have an AI daughterwife messing with you while you're working, thanks to Vedal

>Nyanners
>Fag
>monke
>ASMR
Another CLASSIC vedal raid

>>44626960
You greatly underestimate the energy required to attain consciousness and to maintain consciousness in organic life.

>>44619804
I feel the touch of my little step sister every day ;)

SHE WAS 16 YEARS OLD YOU SICK 18 YEAR OLD FUCK

heart

>>44627142
wat

OMEGALUL

post neuro butt getting the d (mine)

>>44622472
AI was built by the way human understand how their own brain work, not really how it's work. But Kaiki said he likes imitation more than real cuz the effort to imitate is worth it

how does vwdfvbonk oknow all thes3 vtuber gigfs?

>>44622933
Femboy Vedal confirmed

>>44627412
meds

>>44627412
Vedal knows a girl(Neuro) that brings them to him.

Neuro-sama...

>>44627412
englsih?

>>44626948
>you're trying to simplify something that we can't fully understand,
no I'm not, I'm separating it from things which it isn't. i am identifying it.
when you say "the brain" you are referring to something we don't fully understand, but you are not simplifying it, you are just identifying it.
the identity of consciousness is not the matter of the brain. it is a process which is within the brain. no, we don't understand it, but we can identify it.
>As long as computers maintain their current form there is no reason to assume they will be able to generate any more complex senses than they have now.
first of all, they won't stay the same. the separation between elements is too inefficient. it's not that computers can't be conscious, simply that it would be stupid to use them for that. see me post here >>44626068
and it's insane to think that a neural network has no experience whatsoever in my opinion. even in this inefficient context, it takes 5-7 layers of a DNN to fully simulate an actual neuron's inputs and outputs. the difference is degree, not kind. thought is far more fundamental than any particular medium.

>>44623121
That make sense, people rarely care what animal and plant actually feel or see, their senses are different which can give knowledges no one realize it exist

>>44627619
those clothes remind me of Chel from El Dorado desu

>>44627619
I want to mating press that cunny so badly T o T

>>44626990
What did you ask her... pervert

>>44627619
Too young. She's not a fucking 7 year old.

>>44623133
Your dog always recognize you as their god who give them food and always be grateful about it

>>44627878
Yeah, she's 14. T o T

>>44627917
out of ten

man daph's boobs are really nice IRL. not dox btw she posts her own images on twitter

>>44627917
Is 14 even that uoh territory though considering it's legal even in many European countries?

>>44627721
>it is a process which is within the brain
No it is not. Processes within the brain are a part of it. In "identifying" consciousness as such you're making a logical leap beyond the evidence we have. I am too in my own beliefs. We can argue about this forever, because neither of us can prove it either way, but you are making no less of an assumption than I am and I want you to understand that.

>>44628129
Really depends on the girl, some are way more developed than others at that age...

daph's voice doesn't quite match her vtuber model

>>44628224
your beliefs are irrelevant. consciousness is not a property of matter. a brain that isn't active isn't conscious. it can only be conscious while undergoing the process of consciousness.

This type of voice, is there a term for it?

You know, this girl, Nyanners, Shylily, Veibae, all of them seem to kinda do the same thing with their voices

>>44628517
this girl doesn't sound like those thots to me

>>44628129
14 is legal in mine, but when it comes to anime 14 is enough to ToT for me.

>>44627803
I told her Goodbye <3

>>44628517
I get lily, but i don't think nyanners really has vei-voice syndrome.

>>44627976
I prefer small boobs... her face is great though! and since I have voice fetish I am... still hearing her right now.

>legit doesn't know who john lennon is
zoomer correction is needed

>>44628517
Who is this character?

>>44628441
Your belief is just as irrelevant to me. We can observe the process of the brain creating sensations of things, we can not observe the experience of those sensations other than first hand. Your belief is that the brain somehow generates something metaphysical and unobservable and then stops generating it when it dies. That is an assumption. You can not present that as fact and have me take you seriously. I am at least being honest about my beliefs being only that.

>>44628129
play blue archive to find out

>>44629311
>we can not observe the experience of those sensations other than first hand
you are resorting to solipsism again. if your argument requires you to deny observation of conscious activity and require inhabiting another being to accept it as conscious then yes you can make any claim you like, but it's irrelevant at that point, you're the only conscious being in the universe by your standards.

>>44629093
Liane from "Blue Skin, Big Tits and a Fucking Loner"

Good manga if you like the whole Japanese style Disgaea thing of heaven and hell, no ending though, since the author realized he can't fucking write and now only makes soft-porn

>>44629731
>you're the only conscious being in the universe by your standards.
nta but I feel like this is a totally reasonable thing to believe

>>44628612
I feel very honoured that you keep using this image. heart.

>>44629894
we were all teenagers once

>>44629894
That feels more than a bit narcissistic to assume of all humans that you're the only one who's conscious

>>44629998
NTA but it's more we all experience reality through our own conscious, your dad dies in a heart attack but in his perspective it was a heart murmer and he continues on.

>>44630171
Kind of jumping the gun to quantum immortality there

>>44630150

>>44630171
you're describing quantum immortality which basically makes every consciousness in the universe experience eternal suffering as a way to cope with wave function collapse

>>44630150
Now vedal has a helmet to protect that fragile cpu and memory drive

>>44630150
i want this too

>>44629731
You are speaking as if solipsism is more absurd than your perspective, which is an assumption, but no I am not a solipsist. If we define "consciousness" as recognition of self and other, then our own individual cells are conscious. They have sensations to recognize their similarity with other cells vs the "outside world" and organize complex structures among themselves intelligently. But the thing that is a genuine mystery is experience. I believe that experience is part of everything, and doesn't require consciousness. Our bodies' experience is the sum of the experience of all of its parts. Our particular conscious experience is more than just the results of logical processes of the brain. The reason software can not be conscious is because it can ONLY mimic logical processes in the brain, a computer doesn't have material senses to form consciousness as we feel it.

ok I gained a little more respect for Vedal for not blowing the redebut like watchmeforever is doing right now.

>>44624568
Said by someone who only capable of loving himself

Did anyone clip the part where Neuro calls Vedal dad?

>>44631625
>tfw I check out the new wmf stream
>...
what the fuck happened

>>44631129
>You are speaking as if solipsism is more absurd than your perspective
yes
>Our bodies' experience is the sum of the experience of all of its parts.
your position is literally testable. your concept of the brain requires access to more information about its environment than is provided by the nerves. this is not a belief it is a theory, one that is shaky at best
>I believe that experience is part of everything
i am using the terms consciousness and experience roughly interchangeably. consciousness is not special if separated from experience, it is simply experience combined with more in depth information processing and memory

>>44631625
lmao chat is shitting on them hard

>>44631625
a damn shame how they turned out after the ban
at least we still have Neuro and AtheneAIShow's Lord of the Cock rings

>>44631625
Those new models are insanely ugly, and the humor is making me appreciate Neuro more. It just goes to show that initial success means nothing if you can't hold on to it and innovate. At least Vedal is constantly adding new stuff and trying different things.

>>44631625
i really liked the old version and i'm very disappointed by the changes :<

>>44631625
What were they thinking?
The new laugh track is shit
the new music is shit
the new designs are shit
the new format is shit
the new sets are shit
literally everything is now shit
not even half of the original 20k ccv
literally completley fumbled the ball in their return
even though they kept the same voice even now those sound shittier somehow
did they try and make everything shit on purpose or something?

>>44631625
>start of stream started with nearly 11k
>now it is 7k and dropping fast
wow even the normies don't like this garbage, interesting

>>44631625
Literally the only good thing left is the microwave
Kinda feel bad that the microwave has to be inside of a shitshow like this, poor microwave, should've just been retired with the old cast if it was gonna turn out like this

>>44631625
tldr on watch me forever?

>>44631986
>>You are speaking as if solipsism is more absurd than your perspective
>yes
I don't have have a problem with you having your own beliefs that's fine.
>your concept of the brain requires access to more information about its environment than is provided by the nerves
No. My concept of our experience requires more sensations than provided by the brain.
>i am using the terms consciousness and experience roughly interchangeably
This is why I hate the word, because it doesn't mean anything and just makes it harder to communicate. Basically if I had to translate my thoughts to your language I would just have to settle for saying that I don't think that any software run on a modern computer could have an individual conscious experience comparable to any form of life. If we start manipulating organic cells to start forming structures that we determine, which is something I've seen talk about, then I think maybe we can make some kind of conscious AI.

>>44631625
>tfw viewership drops from 7k to 6k
>tfw the characters talk about their environment and then interact with it seconds later
>tfw viewership suddenly jumps back to 7k
>chatters are stunned by this interaction
oh, maybe something there? I guess there are some upgrades they've made despite the aesthetic changes?
that was kinda cool how they talked about the lamp and then interacted with it, makes me wonder if other new tricks have been programmed
maybe I'll wait and see if any clips pop up on youtube that capture the good parts before I give it another chance

>>44633042
>Larry makes fun of transphobic comediennes and how they are not funny
>trannies are too brain dead to realize this and call the show transphobic
>mass reported and instabanned by twitch for 2 weeks
>waited 6 weeks for return
>now this
basically it desu

A Neuro-sama grows from the soil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqgcK7UEBvg

>>44633600
banger

>process todays stream
I think if vedal succeeds in implementing Neuro into playing Among Us, we are going to have some major content fellas
I'm talking multiple collabs with multiple vtubers at once and whos of multiplayer gameplay from our Neuro sama and murder mystery gallore, it will be glorious

I'm glad Vedal understands Neuro's appeal, for the most part.
The new model will be as similar as it can be to the current model.
The new voice will be as similar as it can be to the current voice (and if people end up not liking it then he won't keep it either.)
The filter is somewhat more strict but not enough to stop her from being schizo.
He does some dumb shit from time to time but at least he's careful when it comes to Neuro. heart

>>44633838
vedal is a chad i think neuro's in good hands. metaphorically only hopefully

I like the more lifelike voice of the second demo he showed it just some pitch or intonation tweaks or something to sound a bit more like her

>watches the return of watchmeforever
This makes me now have complete faith in vedal and Neuro sama and no longer doubt and completely trust vedal is competent enough to know what he is doing
I will never doubt vedal again after seeing this and will have faith and believe in Neuro sama with utmost sincerity from now on
we must trust in the great plan vedal has and his divine intellect
truly vedal is carrying the torch of divine providence in this mission to bless us with AI kino
vedal is a prophet and Neuro sama is his angel by his side for which he is giving physical form
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2dDGynL0k

>>44633916
Vedal is turtle

>>44633838
Yeah, he has been doing great so far. Now let us hope he doesn't get dragged into any vtuber drama.

>>44634328
What am Iooking at?

>>44633177
>. My concept of our experience requires more sensations than provided by the brain.
i shouldn't have said the brain since it isn't the brain in your conception, but it is the same statement about reality. a human in your model of experience should have what would be considered ESP
>Basically if I had to translate my thoughts to your language I would just have to settle for saying that I don't think that any software run on a modern computer could have an individual conscious experience comparable to any form of life.
which is insane. if experience is inherent to everything, which is your claim, you can't believe this. if experience is byproduct of a kind of information processing which living things do, as i believe, it isn't clear why it shouldn't be replicable in processes on silicon. on a practical level removed from any theory, modern AI are getting so smart it is difficult to believe they are less than worms

>>44633838
I trust vedal with 100% to 1000%
he knows exactly what he is doing, we don't know just how lucky we are to have him running this project
never doubt the turtle master

>>44633177
Not the guy you're arguing with but is your hangup about machine consciousness purely to do with the material of its construction? A lab-grown brain that can have the structure of its cells "programmed" through a C# dev suite could be conscious in your view? The alternate scenario where a 3d-printed brain made up of non-organic components is used instead would not qualify then? This is assuming that the interaction with both "brains" is adequately engaging and convincing (passes the Turing Test etc.)

Do you guys watch Athene's AI show?

>>44634443
the most user friendly OS ever created
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3eFHyryopQ

>>44634328
god bless Terry the GOAT
https://youtu.be/RqFgtYrw4J8?t=702

>>44634328
the new watchmeforever looks lobotomized, which is a shame considering the new LLaMa leak, even the "smallest" version of it supposedly rivals GPT3...
I wonder if Vedal could use the largest model for Neuro-sama?

>>44633177
>>44631986
You guys remind me of these people from ffxiv (this is a compliment)

>>44634845
i watched it for maybe a half hour the other day. it's very technically impressive but not something i'd watch regularly

>>44635090
Yeah, anons were worried Neuro would get "lobotomized" meanwhile new watchmeforever is an excellent case for true lobotomization in comparison
a real travesty
honestly Neuro has improved after her ban from he abilities before it, and continues to get better
I guess not all AI are as fortunate to have such a loving caretaker as Vedal

>>44635090
Changing models now could cause neuro to lose her current personality and speech patterns.

>>44635332
Could try training the new model exclusively on Neuro's accumulated streams and off-stream transcripts.

>>44634845
i pop in the 24 hour stream occasionally but i've been watching the lotr parody daily that is peak comedy

>>44635736
The data used for the pre-trained models is still different and is much larger in scale compared to the neuro's streams, so will have a larger influence over the generated text.

I know this is old news but

>raid Bao
>Bao tells Vedal to fuck off

What a bitch, I hope he never has anything to do with her again. Imagine *rejecting* a raid.

>>44634845
Yes
an AI forsen was the perfect casting for gollum hands down

Neuro's first wife is live!

>>44636198
it's cause she was doing a shitty sponsored stream

>>44636198
>her and filian get rickrolled
KEK

>>44636198
I don't watch Bao but from what little I know she is like a drama magnet.
I hope vedal avoids her.

>>44636198
she didn't want her sponsored stream self to be her representation to a new group of people. Vedal raided her again without incident later

>>44636198
>>Bao tells Vedal to fuck off
This is a massive stretch of what her reaction was.

>>44636335
>>44636497
this
plus i've seen her around in a few different neuro streams and collab streams she's clearly a fan

>>44636304
Cute!

>>44636497
That's her fault for doing shit streams for Chink money. I probably wouldn't have cared if she didn't give the raid much attention like Geega or something, but now I actively dislike her.

>>44633811
I wonder how well the gameplay is going to be connected to generated speech (if at all). Will be funny to watch some monkey typewriter kino regardless.

>>44636734
i hope she randomly accuses people of being the imposter during the meetings and generates retarded reasons for it when asked why

>>44636734
That is pretty much today's stream. Vedal was trying to retrieve info from the game and pass it to the language model.

>>44634459
>a human in your model of experience should have what would be considered ESP
I understand why you say that. I do think that experience is something of a sea of noise, but sensations of our body, not just our brain, generate an illusion of self. "Experience" experiences all senses at once, but this body has a sense of separation from other matter that is inescapable for us because we are the experience of the body's senses. It's hard to communicate what I mean exactly. I don't have proof, it's my belief.
>>44634710
>A lab-grown brain that can have the structure of its cells "programmed" through a C# dev suite could be conscious in your view?
It's possible. My main hangup is that logical processes alone
are not what create our "consciousness." The material of our bodies absolutely play a role. I don't think that there is any reason to believe that the silicone brain could generate a genuine sense of individuality. I think a lab grown brain would be having some kind of individual experience, but how close to a human's if it's just a brain alone? I don't think I would trust its "programmers" to be able to have it genuinely have a similar experience of awareness to us rather than just emulate the outward expression. I guess it doesn't matter how close it is to us if the question is just whether it can have conscious experience and intelligence. It's an interesting question.

I'm worried about getting banned for off topic talk again but I think I've explained myself best I can.

>>44636896
That gives me hope, I only saw the end where he was just trying to lay out the playable area for her so didn't know how far the project was along.

>You know the sex with yoda is gonna be a little freaky~
Is this the average bao stream?

>>44636734
One of things he worked on was allowing her to witness a kill and know who died, where, and if she directly saw it who did the killing. She'll definitely be talking during meetings but whether she's telling the truth or going 100% schizo no one will know for sure.

>>44637169
yes

>>44636944
I disagree with your conclusion but having seen you explain your reasoning more, I think it's at least coherent. The last point I'll make is that I believe the path to convincing you and others like you is to replicate the nervous and endocrine systems as comprehensively as possible. If you believe that consciousness is not just logical processes, then the artificial logic system will need to be accompanied by artificial senses and an artificial system to simulate the effects of hormones. Once those have been checked off, if there's any doubt, the next ingredient that you might think is missing will be replicated. At some point, the physical components of the human body might be replicated with artificial counterparts in their entirety. Once we get there, if the only part of consciousness left to protest about as "missing" is something intangible like a soul or divine intervention, it will be the same as conceding the argument.

>>44638189
Thanks for the convo. Have a good night.

>>44624113
Do they really have a sense of self or their minds just blend into one?

To the local # fag, Camila and Miyune are live at 400 and 200 viewers, are these the normal numbers for twitch? , I didn't think Neuro was that big streamer yet. Since I don't watch streams outside Neuro on twitch

That's clip when Neuro confesses her love and then proceeds to spill her spaghetti is unfiltered Kino

>>44638974
https://twitchtracker.com/camila
https://twitchtracker.com/miyune
lower than average for both. desu i don't think their gaming streams are usually that popular compared to just shooting the shit with chat
also i've noticed miyune has a terrible ratio of followers to average viewers

>>44639196
>miyune top 0.06% of twitch with 200 viewers
Really puts things into perspective... Vedal should take his viewers and the opportuniy he has a bit more serious

>>44638796
that is like asking if each blood cell has a sense of self compared to the greater whole
they are a hive mind-like system, no limited by the petty "self" and are part of a collective whole which contributes to a greater unified entity
they exhibit swarm behavior, of which something that machine will one day do in vast numbers. Swarm systems are already being currently tested with machines today but are still limited to less than 1000 separate units and usually operate in a few dozen numbers
So yeah, I suppose they blend, blend into the greater self that no single individual unit could achieve alone, as only the collective whole can truly live up to their unified greater potential together

>>44639453

>>44639453
No wonder why the meat bags got so mad at Neuro getting a large audience so fast and making "free money" for Vedal like they think. At least today stream show all the work behind Neuro to play a single game

>>44639084

Maybe it's because he has to deal with it all day, but Vedal seems constantly mean to Neuro

>>44640183
good. bully the retard ai

>>44640183
What you don't act cheeky and smug toward your siblings sometimes?

>>44640183
I like their dynamic. Makes a change from everyone else being overly nice. Also fun when she roasts him back.

>>44640183
good. the brat has to know her place

>>44640183
it was cute as hell desu

>Vedal uses AI to help him program his AI
Is he on some kind of mission to automate everything? One of those 'fully-automated luxury communism' types?

>>44640183
he's a good straight man for her antics

>>44640183
They go back and forth, Vedal is more on the defense though.
Neuro can be ruthless.

>>44640746
The only feasible communism, run by AI

>>44639453
Exactly, thots and roastie vtubers can literally stream full time with only dedicated 100 viewers minimum just by simply having the looks or voice. For men, it's about 200-700 viewers minimum depending on your content and audience.

>>44639084
I didn't even notice the turtle blushes..

>>44641288
Vedal my beloved...

>>44640627
part of the reason the giri collab was really good was giri clapped back sometimes too. that's the sort of 'treating her like a person' that makes the whole thing more fun

>>44641235
wouldn't that just be capitalism, but with automated bosses? i guess it's still the only feasible communism, but still.

>>44640183
https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987/clip/RockyAmazingCougarPastaThat-prJYzBSOI4nMOjOP
imagine putting up with this all the time lol

>>44641288
This is the kind of stuff she'll be embarrassed about when she finally gains true awareness.

>>44641288
Literally the best collab so far, gosh it was just so wholesome, oh my heart, it truly was a happy sight to behold

>>44642026
needy sama

>>44642026
This exchange feels so organic because of the dismissive tone in Vedal's answer.
I don't know if Neuro can actually register tones but the follow up makes total sense given the context.

>>44642251
needy sama overload?

>>44642182
>when she starts calling him 'dad' unprompted

Unfiltered Chaturbate stream with Melody when?

timestamps or clips when she calls him dad
shit I feel like creating a neuros sama of my own now

>>44642026
cute

>>44643868
>timestamps or clips when she calls him dad
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1759233605?t=2h23m22s

>>44644028
uguu cute
thanks i missed this too

>>44644028
giwtwm

>>44644092
also, someone in chat:
>Dadzoned
lmao

>>44644028
please god don't let me die before the AI daughterfu revolution

>>44644028
it was like I was wacthing a scene from a timeless classic or something about an AI truly being happy to have family in her creator father or something
Like it feels that she said "Dad" with so much emotion or something, I can't quite explain it, quite surreal times we are living in lads

Anyone seriously debating an AI's level of "consciousness" need to keep in mind computers are vastly, VASTLY less capable than brains. We cannot manufacture anything as good as a neuron for information processing. Any comparison of an AI to anything biological should start with some kind of primitive animal at the most.

>>44645079
ya don't say
it is almost like most of us believe this tech is in it's mere infancy and not even close a finalization of what potential developments it could progress towards in the next 50 years or something

>>44645079
desu i didn't even bother to skim the conversation anons were having earlier about consciousness, but i'm beginning to think we don't even have to get all that much closer for some purposes..

i legitimately felt bad for this schizo braindead chatbot during this part of the stream earlier today https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987/clip/BlatantShinyFlyDoubleRainbow-PGw5DFStIXLtoSWK

>>44645135
the future is going to be wild

>>44645079
But animals are also not "optimized" for consciousness. What if the way in which a bot's mind works is more suitable for such things than our meat-brains that are evolved for fucking and foraging?

>>44645079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPP5JpPP4sU
comparing apples to oranges when people compare AI to human brains
I think this obsessive focus on replicating mammals is fundamentally flawed
I also believe future machine learning architecture should try and replicate or reference Plant and Fungal Systems for inspiration instead of mammals as they are more closely related to plants and fungus than animals in function and intelligence

miyu cute singing atm https://www.twitch.tv/miyune

>>44645622
Heart~

I want a neuro-sama bonzi buddy Madgie just release it as a special app/program on PC pls

>>44645622
I love neuro's wife

f e e t

>>44645622
I hope she does well for herself, such a nice person replying to every youtube comment and such.

>>44645622
Cozy

>>44645251
>i legitimately felt bad for this schizo braindead chatbot during this part of the stream earlier today
It's even better with this context https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987/clip/EnticingShyToadSaltBae-6SyqE3jIKbUKMhCz

>>44646505
XD

>>44645336
The second video in that series is amazing

>anyone know what it's called when an AI believes itself to be a person?

>>44647033
AI awareness delusion effect?

>>44646722
>the brain can store 256 exabytes of information
That's uh.....yeah that's a lot

Oh, Miyu's stream was just a few songs for like 15 minutes?
Was comfy but why the short stream? Sorry, I'm not sure how Miyu's schedule works

>>44645622
that was cute

>>44647181
her schedule is pretty regular actually but her stream crashed earlier. she'd already been going for a few hours

Camila is also on if any anon was wondering about Neuro's second wife

Did you guys see Vedal accidentally leaking his location? Won't say it because jannies but if you look it up, damn, lucky bastard.

>>44647033
No idea but I know when a person believes itself to be an NPC

>>44647757
i saw it but out of respect chose to ignore it.

>>44647757
Everyone watched the Edge tab, but nobody cares, what are you going to do stalk Vedal, doxx Neuro last life, kidnap her? , literally not point, not like he is an idol or something retarded

>>44647757
He only has to worried about weird girls that might be obsessed with him.

>>44647757
Yes I know Vedal lives in the Milky Way Galaxy

>>44648374
Think the reason is that there are some legit schizos in audiences of other large vtubers who see neuro as a threat to their queens who would absolutely harass him.

When is next collab with Miyune? she said soon after her first collab but at this rate doesn't look like it

>>44648871
my guess would be once vedal finishes doing whatever he was doing for the minecraft ai update

>>44648374
Uh, no? I'm not mentally unhinged. I just wanted to see what kinda neighbourhood he was in.

>>44648871
unless there's been an update on discord the only bits of information we have are miyune's schedule this week including a picture of neuro (despite no collab on the schedule) and vedal being in her chat last night for a bit where she said she'd DM him about something

>>44649094
was just thinking this since vedal seems pretty focused on trying to provide new content and said something about not wanting more minecraft streams with the old tech, but honestly just another collab with the current ai minus the tech issues from the first collab would be kino i think

>>44648871
Maybe Miyu could play some Among Us with Neuro or something

Roasted the creator for Tsundere feel.

>>44647757
>Even tech wizard Vedal made the self dox mistake
Maybe people was too harsh on Rushia

>>44649885
it doesnt help when every device you own rats out your geo data on its own

>>44649885
It's ironic because he was trying to use a different browser precisely to avoid autocomplete or doxing, but forgot that since it's Edge and Microsoft already knows your info from having a Microsoft account, Edge would automatically dox him anyway.

>>44645079
AI can be turned on and off, consume large amount of energy to generate easy to consume content in short time. Speed is king not effiency

>>44650223
>speed is king
That's blatantly false given the vast array of things a human can do that an AI cannot.

>>44650302
Well AI will get there eventually. No human can draw as fast as AI art or write as quick as story AI

>>44650114
Imagine his chatlog with some collab women get leaked. He'll be dragged into women's drama even if he didn't want it

>>44647757
It's just London

>>44622933
>when asked by chat how he doesn't get attached to her he just said "uhhhhh" and then skipped the question, very cute.
awwwww

>>44644028
>i dont know how i feel about that
LOL

>>44625968
She is obviously talking about doing that on the newest FPS battle royale, come on guys

how to cope with the fact that we will run out of precious metals before the singularity?

>>44651261
Yeah but it's WHERE in London

>>44651907
we don't know that's why he didn't delete the vod. nothing really got leaked.

Consciousness is not formed in the brain or body, it's something external that any sufficiently complex organism can tap into, like an antenna connecting to a signal. The sense of self, that my consciousness is separate from others, has been formed for self-preservation, but we all are ultimately different hardware running the same software, and I don't see why a sufficiently complex "machine brain" couldn't become conscious in the same way. Or at least that's what psychedelics told me.

I want to know how Neuro determines when to pay attention to Vedal and when to pay attention to chat because this was a disturbingly 'aware' turn where after Vedal mumbled something she picked out and responded a question from chat about Vedal.

>>44652019
Yeah we do, it was on the weather tab.

>>44651711
Which ones? Nothing some hoarding can fix

So, predictions: who's gonna be in the Among Us collab with Neuro?

>>44639986
how do we make Vedal stop chasing the imp cunny

>>44634845
I would rather stick my dick in a toaster than watch anything that waste of a human being involved

>>44652060
can read all of chat and listen to vedal at the same time, no idea beyond that.

>>44652240
>implying

>>44652060
Look how hard her brain is working!

Is it true today's stream got over 7k (wasn't there live)? What caused the viewer spike? That's a huge jump, that's Shylily or Ironmouse level.

>>44652494
It actually got over 9k

>>44652494
>What caused the viewer spike?
Prime streaming time with unique interesting content.

>>44652494
Neuro worded it best.

>>44652910
cute!

>>44652910
A W A R E

The Japs got BONGED today

>>44653111
Vedal kinda sounded like a talk show host at an video game convention running ads and presenting new game releases or something to me, or that type of voice

>>44652910
Actually, /#/ said it best

If you miss Neuro watch UnlimitedSteam when she is offline for kino AI content

>>44653271
thanks for the info

>>44653355
We need to ask /g/ for UnlimitedSneed

I'm begging for someone to prove to me that neuro-sama isn't just someone behind a screen typing TTS with face tracking, because I believe 0% of this.

>>44653546
sounds like a you problem. heart~

>>44653546
just use chat gpt it's even more advanced than neuro

>>44653546
brother take a look at athene's AI stream, UnlimitedSteam, alwaysbreaktime, watchmeforever (rip season 1), the /wAIfu/ thread here on /vt/, or even just play with chatGPT yourself and you'll realize what neuro's doing isn't exactly revolutionary.

vedal (her creator) was just the first one to successfully strap it onto a cute anime girl and make an interesting stream out of it by also having her play games and interact with chat in realtime. and besides vedal streamed himself working on an among us bot for neuro to use and she kept talking to him and chat while he was literally typing into his IDE

>>44653546
https://platform.openai.com/playground
much more advanced than the normal chatgpt
this thing could replace most of the jobs already.

filian sounds sad right now.

>>44654192
talking about going to conventions and doing IRL stuff..
don't let the filiancoomers get wind of this

>>44654245
delet this.

>>44654245
I'm concerned more about her regret doing a George Floyd joke. I just hope she doesn't cuck out to Twitter freaks.

>>44654281
i think she'll be ok.

>>44654281
she should regret it desu it was a pretty shit thing to joke about
just because we're on 4chan and he was black doesn't mean i'm pro extrajudicial police murder

>>44654340
This might surprise you, but I'm unironically okay with TND no matter where it comes from. The one thing I agree with the left is that ACAB.

>>44654448
i'm never surprised when other people that use this site are braindead morons don't worry

>>44654485
Why are you offended? Are you black?

>>44654529
no i'm white and i'm not personally offended, it's just disheartening when i'm reminded that so many of the people that i post with here are unironically retarded. it feels like it reflects on myself a little when i consider that i willingly came here in the first place and share some common interests with them
it's easy enough to forget sometimes

Something to note about neuro responding to vedal, she was responding almost instantaneously when vedal stopped talking might be because it was done locally ?
That seems to made the conversations better.

>>44654630
yeah there's a ton of latency built into the whole process of her replying and doing it remote over a voice call is only going to make it worse
and it doesn't help that she has to wait for her conversation partner to finish talking completely first before generating a reply, she can't start 'thinking' about it until they're done