/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>4446174
Clips/live translations, plus NijiEN isn't nearly as popular as HoloEN

It filters normalfags

there's just no point in going beyond whichever company or group you found first since there's so much content being pumped out. if you watched hololive first, you will stick with holo, same for vshojo, and niji.

>>4446174
they need a meme to go big like "ekum bokum" did for korone,and after that, there need to be enough translators willing to watch nijijp streams and clip funny moments.

>>4446174
Too many members
It intimidates people and makes it harder for them to choose a starting point to watch Nijis

>>4446174
Mito's power level in particular is too high

>>4446174
Mito is too cute. They would rather fap to her doujins than watch her streams

>>4446235
This it also Filter's EOP's which is 99 percent of this board

The lack of kaigaifags is one of the best things about nijisanji. Oh boy, I can't wait for Ange to be spammed with "SAY HI HONEY" every 2 seconds. No thanks, pal. Go back to vshojo, kiddo.

>>4446360
This. It's like people not wanting to start reading/watching one piece. They have some real gems in nijisanji but a lot of fluff and dead weight chuubas make them overall seem less appealing. Imagine if Hololive were 5 times bigger and for every Pekora there were 2 Robocos and 3 Towas. That's APEXsanji.

>>4446235
Niji in Japan literally is the normalfag agency. Hololive is much more otaku-oriented.

>>4446174
One, because EOPs don't care about anything that isn't Hololive.
Two, because EOPs don't care about anything that isn't HoloEN.
Three, the small crowd that might be interested in watching other vtubers, will not watch Nijisanji, because there was an big negative campaing against the company on /hlg/ and on reddit.
Fourth, because locusts are locusts, and they don't really care about the content so much as they care about numbers.

>>4446458
YWNBJ
>>4446309

>>4446309
https://youtu.be/LoRoODZcRqc?t=125

They already had a meme go big.

Holo's audience for the longest time was foreign viewers, compared to Nijisanji where the Japanese made up the majority. That and there's so many Nijis for the casual viewer to keep track of, and not as much WACKY moments or repeatable catchphrases for them to likely latch onto.

>>4446510
Not true Hololive is Purityfag and Unicorn oriented that's the only reason why they're popular in the first place

I've tried watching Nijis here and there, and they all seemed like boring also-rans. Elira from NijiEN seems okay, but I'm not excited enough to follow her, and has some shit takes on food based on what I could tolerate listening to of her Cooking Simulator stream, kinda turned me off.

>>4446174
>>4446235
God I love Mito

>>4446174
1. It's only been two weeks.
2. HoloJP already had a sizeable overseas base before HoloEN even came onto the scene.

>>4446174
>What makes foreigners unable to get into Nijisanji
Because Hololive is better. Why downgrade?

>>4446174
>It doesn't look like NijiEN gave any boost to NijiJP at all unlike in Hololive's case where every Holo has 40%+ foreign viewers.
Are you being retarded on purpose? Hololive's viewerbase was already filled with foreigners before HoloEN's debut and that's exactly what made the latter popular.

>>4446174
Sorry NijiENMa. Reasons have already been said in the thread. You'd need to be able to cultivate and guide the kaigaifags, and you had that opportunity with Mito, with Rin and with other Nijis. But they scared the foreigners with Final Fantasy and more. Even Lulu is only watched by foreigners because cute anime noises and ASMR voice.

I wanna watch more Nijis but the ones I'm interested in tend to stream either when my oshi is streaming or when I've decided to go to bed.

>>4446522
Are you serious?

>>4446174
cause I dont want to lalalalala i dont care lol I won't watch nijiniggers no matter what Holos or Indies who have the same mama as my holos ONLY

>>4446515
>Three, the small crowd that might be interested in watching other vtubers, will not watch Nijisanji
Yeah, this is literally me. After I got into Hololive I decided I wanted to check out other vtubers and decided to check out indies, OGs (Kizuna, Siro, HimeHina etc.), smaller agencies, ect. I purposely avoided Nijisanji though and if I accidentally clicked on a Nijisanji stream in my recommended I quickly clicked off.

>>4446538
>Purityfag and Unicorn
>When Choco is there
>And her unarchiveds ASMR brakes 10k

Anon, Otakus are still their main public. All the unicorns and purityfags left after
>Sex yabai
>Towa yabai

The only Niji I watch is Crossick because Noel and Flare aren't gay enough.

>>4446174
NijiEN fans are mostly just holoen or hololive fans getting and they only care about niji en, not about the others, at least for now.
Much of this also comes that Hololive just has much more clippers. Anyway point is that they won't get much big boost outside of a few.

>>4446503
Between 103 vtubers, only like 10 play apex regularly.

>>4446515
Also this. The other jp vtuber are on a much worse situation.

>>4446736
Holocult

>>4446174
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand NijiJPs; the humour is extremely subtle.

>>4446737
Many such cases. The problem with Nijisanji in the west is that the company already had a bad reputation among western vtuber fans. This is probably the biggest hurdle they are going to need to overcome to make any kind of impact over here, unfortunately, it's also the trickiest to overcome.

>>4446174
>What makes foreigners unable to get into Nijisanji?
Because 80% of niji sucks ass and the remaining 20% won't even interact with overseas fans

>It doesn't look like NijiEN gave any boost to NijiJP at all unlike in Hololive's case where every Holo has 40%+ foreign viewers.
You got it backwards, Holo was increasingly popular overseas for an entire year before EN debuted

>>4446724
Dead serious. This was most people's first introduction to Nijisanji.

>>4446510
People are overlooking this to a high degree but this is a big reason why Niji can't catch on in the west. Nijisanji is literally normalfag entertainment and western otaku are super against anything that normalfags are into. Hololive absolutely presents the more authentic nerdy otaku experience.

>>4446765
>Sex/Towa
Sex graduated, so the purityfags feel like they got a victory with that. It certainly didn't turn them against all of hololive, only against her. The same is true for Towa. Purityfags stopped watching and supporting her, but they didn't stop watching other holos. The yab didn't damage the company, it just debuffed Towa individually.

Hololive has more socially retarded streamers, while Niji streamers have a lot more normalfags (with the exception of a few really good ones like Tsukino Mito).

The western audience that would watch Japanese vtubers are not into normalfag shit, even if it's Japanese. Hololive girls know not to bring normalfag shit into streams and therefore are closer to a 2D fantasy woman.

There are exceptions of course. Personally, I think Towa is a better fit as a Niji streamer. She has that niconama background and closer to a normalfag.

>>4446174
They're boring. I tried watching them but they don't do or say anything funny, it's just girl being cute and that's it.

>>4446889
There is nothing authentic about GFE and pretending your fans have a chance with you

>>4446835
What bad reputation? Most fans don't know shit about nijisanji.

>>4446958
Anon, most idols graduate and get knocked up by richest/chaddest fan they can find once their biological clock strikes. Technically you do have a chance with your oshi if you speak their language and are a high class male.

>>4446889
What is normalfag about Mito? You don't even fucking watch nijisanji.

>>4446510
I am pretty sure Yashiro and Mito can out nerd every hololive girl in the topic of japanese otaku culture

>>4446880
The problem is that at the time foreifners in chats weren't actually bringing boost and just ruining chatrooms (or even whole channels). Sakura Miko was basically the first (at least biggish) vtuber who was able to make them into a boost.

You really need to know at least conversational Japanese to get a decent level of enjoyment from someone like Mito. It's the same for other top Nijis like Toya, Kuzuha, etc. They're popular because they're genuinely entertaining, while holoJP is popular because they make le funny noises, say meme words, scream, etc. Basically hololive is for the plebeian masses and Nijisanji is for the elite.

>>4446889
I dont think going into vore rooms and axe throwing ranges are something normal people do

If you ever feel retarded remember that Holofags think that Hololive's 3D tracking looks good

>>4446951
But that's Hololive?

>>4446994
Pretty sure anyone who got into Vtubers because of reddit or r/hololive heard of Nijisanji's reputation as a black company during their early years.

Also https://www.ichikara.co.jp/news/1116/ this is a thing.

>>4446174
Question is why anycolor have to pander on western people?
Because unlike cover Hololive is idol group so its understandable they want worldwide recognition.

are we still pretending that holos dont like normalfag shit again and are OTAKU JUST LIKE ME again
fuckin hilarious

>>4446174
You literally need to be japanese to understand Nijisanji. Just look at any Niji clip, you will see that there are tons of references that foreigners would never understand, there are walls of texts explaining the context, inside jokes, etc. And that's just the beginning of the list of things of why Niji didn't make it in the west/rest of the world.

>>4447048
Of course I'm learning an linguistically isolated language from a distant archipelago just to understand Nui Sociere when she's nerding out about RPGs. What gave it away?

>>4447116
This, Holos some on purpose and then some just out of instinct learned how to omnipander. Pekora/Miko making funny noises and shouting and playing up one simple joke were massively popular, other members began doing similar behavior, clippers ate it up and spread it more and the members who leaned into the meme got the most overseas boost.

>>4447025
>foreigners in Rin's chat wasn't bringing a boost
>foreigners in Miko's did

which kinds of begs the question- was Rin the one who was unable to convert the interested foreigners into viewers or were the foreigners just looking at a shiny new toy?

Why was Miko able to turn her foreigners into loyal viewers?

>>4447099
AnyColor doesn't need to pander to western audience, they already control local market by a lot. Cover needed to go outside of Japan because Nijisanji was too strong, not because of the idol thing necessarily

>>4447048
That is absolutely bullshit, I can perfectly understand Mito and I find her and absolute snoozedwst no matter how many times I try to give her a chance.

It's really telling that her most popular videos are the Nazono Mito shitposts

>>4446174
pic related

>>4447093
I talk with a lot of holofags and they have no idea about anything except that they are that one agency outside of hololive that is popular.

And if it was for reputation, hololive also wouldn't be alive to this day due to their own controversies, including Mel that was the worse one.

>>4446994
If you started watching hololive last year, then you only know nijisanji because /hlg/ shitposted the fuck out of them, and made up a bunch of narratives that a lot of EOPs ate up, like:
>Aloe's retirement being their fault
>Permission arc being their fault
>Capcom archive nuking being their fault
>Nintendo archive nuking being their fault
Meanwhile newfags that started watching Hololive this year, only know Nijisanji as the unknown "enemy/rival" of hololive. So, be the old viewers or the new viewers, the default position for EOPs is to not like Nijisanji.

>>4446946
>>4446951
Nijisanji have lot of funny anime girl if you actually look at it. Aiba Uiha, Hayama Marin, Matsukai Mao, Amamya Kokoro, Honma Himawari, Chihiro, Emma August, Suzuhara Lulu, Yorumi Rena and many more. Please look at them first before spouting stupid hot takes.

>>4447193
Final Fantasy 14

>>4447211
>And if it was for reputation, hololive also wouldn't be alive to this day due to their own controversies, including Mel that was the worse one.
Holofans have very short memory when it comes to their favourite company's controversies

>>4447195
Then why NijiEN exist if wasn't for pandering?

>>4446174
Brand loyalty probably.
The West and it's 3rd world puppets are infamous for this.

>>4446765
Why did you even bring Choco up? Did she ever do asmr offline collab with male vtuber? Sexual contents are welcomed when the girls are doing it in solo stream interacting with the viewers or doing it with other girls. It's only a big no-no when she's doing it with other male.

>>4446958
>>4447001
>>4447066
The visceral reaction to the statement that Nijisanji is normalfag entertainment shows exactly why they won't catch on in the west. Nijisanji is literally normalfag entertainment in Japan and you guys just absolutely cringed at the realization that you are watching normalfag entertainment. It is something that western Otaku absolutely shy away from which you just showed. Western Otaku love nerdy idol shit (Hololive) but hate normalfag shit (Nijisanji).
I mean come on even going with the most basic example, Nijisanji has males and females interact with each other. It doesn't get more normalfag than that to be honest.

>>4446174
Nijisanji is the joshiraku of vtuber agencies.

>>4447193
1) Rin already had a sizeable viewership at that time (which has kinda gone away after she started spamming FFXIV) meanwhile Miko's literally was in hundreds at best
2) Most of people who came very cancerous pewdiekids

>>4447216
As I said, most aren't in 4chan or know this. This thing about aloe, permission, capcom, most don't know this, only people who come in here and believe on this. Most people think aloe was out due to idol culture.

>>4446174
i feel like nijisanji was much more popular in the west last year than nowadays

>>4447216
>pretending these didn't happen because of Nijisanji and their Nijiniggers
Wow, why are you trying to run Ops for them? Don't forget about Luna being bullied out of Nijisanji either. I can't believe that panda bitch still works for that black company after that.

>>4447252
Dumb fuck
>>4447221

>>4447221
I see you're a fellow connoisseur of cunny.

>>4447252
Hololive is ironic weeb shit, anon, give me a break. Cali was in an anime podcast.

>>4447242
Because they saw the market but they literally don't need it.

>>4447195
This is a dumb rrat, global expansion was part of the plan since the beginning (although they were originally aiming at china).

Anycolor just got typical Japanese company complacency and by the time they realized they were being mogged it was too late

>>4447242
NijiEN exists to have a vtuber in the western region, much like ID and KR were. It's not much hard.

>>4447252
I don't think normalfags are watching Utako, Mikoto, Gundo and Ange talking about porn.

>>4447211

Mel Controversy = March 2020 = people were already into Hololive, so they most likely didn't care about Cover's reputation and just wanted to support her

Nijisanji as Black Company = People were likely to be turned off from watching Niji early on because of this and watched Holos instead because there were no controversies of this caliber until much later (when Holo already became big in the west)

>>4447304
>Luna being bullied out of Nijisanji
Where the fuck do you get that rrat? From your gaping ass? Fucking take the med holyshit

>>4447291
That's because you're new, every single narrative that I listed had a huge sticky on reddit.

>>4447304
I don't even know if this is ironic or not.

>Nijisanji is for NoRMieS
>They have cute but no funny

>>4447216
>nijiniggers trying to rewrite history as usual

>>4447306
>>4447221
This is just denial.

A prime example is Matsukai Mao. You can tell she absolutely fails at emulating what her characters looks like and is supposed to represent. A character for cunny lovers. Instead she's literally a normie and people can tell, hence why she is not popular in JP or the west, despite the top tier design.

What I'm trying to say is you can't just put cunny and get a normie to back it and pretend it's for the otakus. People aren't going to fall for it.

>>4447330
>Le funny girls talking about porn and sex and being vulgar
That is literally every female comedian ever anon. It is very very normalfag tier.

1. Nijisanji is a Japanese word/phrase
2. Niji memes suck

>>4447389
>What I'm trying to say is you can't just put cunny and get a normie to back it and pretend it's for the otakus. People aren't going to fall for it.
But it worked for Gura. Gura is the lowest level possible of a weeb.

Imagine depriving yourself of watching Nijisanji because you're afraid you'll get called out on r/hololive. If the vTuber is entertaining just watch them, fag. Stop trying to justify everything you do for strangers on the internet.

>>4447004
Mito has the knowledge, but she can't do cute anime girl does cute things

>>4446994
I was really fucking retarded and avoided nijisanji for a while when I first got into vtubers because I thought Sio was a Niji... it was late August when that drama was fresh at the time.

>>4447466
Never watching Nijisanji. Maybe if they get rid of the males I'll give them a shot.

>>4447366
>Holotard trying to blame everything on Nijis.
Aloe's harassment started by Hololive seisofag
>Permission arc
>Capcom archive
>Nintendo archive
100% management incompetency. Management go full retard and nuking all their own VOD. How is that Nijifag fault?

>>4447389
>hence why she is not popular in JP or the west

>>4447500
A part of me still avoids Niji mostly because of a friend who thinks he's better because he exclusively watches NijiKR

>>4447509
literal autism

>>4447469
Yeah she can't make retarded noises, but her content is more otaku-centric than any basic bitch holo who just streams normalfag games all day.

>>4447457
This. I never considered Gura a loli, no matter how much normies push the concept onto her.

>>4446174
Unlike others that rely on catchphrases and the meme of the moment, Nijisanji requires cultural and fine taste to enjoy. That is why it's hard to get in to westerns, but once you get in you won't leave because you have ascended.

>>4447304
How do you still believe on that shit?

>>4446510
both are otaku-oriented and also panders to normie.
nijifan vs holofan.

>>4447516
>How is that Nijifag fault?
According to 5ch prophet worshipped by big amount of holofags it's because Nijisanji dared to announce that they have right to officially stream and monetize Nintendo games.

>>4447516
Aloes Harassment was started by angry Nijiniggers because she criticized Nijisanji. Hell, it's almost exactly the same thing as the Veibae situation except Hololive fans didn't harass, dox, and threaten to murder Vei, they just sperged out until the collab was cancelled. That is how the two fanbases handle basically the same situation.

>>4447457
It's not about being a weeb, it's about whether they're a normalfag. Gura is not a normalfag, in fact she is extremely good at pandering to the Japanese otaku and similarly to the western audience that likes the same stuff. With the references to being smelly, feet, blushing when anything remotely lewd happens.

>>4447528
Zoom out, and she has 160k subs.

>>4447195
Ichikara started going outside of Japan at the same time Cover did, but they are less successful.
>they already control local market by a lot
This is 2019. In 2021, things are reversed

>>4447500
Aside from that I do vaguely remember thinking that they did have a bad reputation but I don't remember why exactly. Must've been from the other reps of niji drama/controversies I did at the time.

>>4447579
>Zoom out, and she has 160k subs.
Oh, I've thought that your "not popular" means that she don't get regularly get 10k viewers.

>>4447516
Capcom and Nintendo archives being deleted by Cover was kind of on them for going full retard, but in hindsight, it was the correct move since Capcom has admitted they were targeting Hololive with copyright strikes:
https://www.bengo4.com/c_23/n_11560/

As for the Aloe shit: I can't recall if the issue is with her having a boyfriend or her having an old video talking about the retirement of a Nijisanji talent and shit talking Ichikara.

>>4447616
Some holo's have 4 times the subscribers and half the views and he considers this a win

>>4447616
She may be popular or unpopular based on certain contexts. The context here is based on a comparison with Hololive vtubers, and in that context she is not popular at all.

>>4447579
>Gura is not a normalfag
She's an ironic weeb memer who doesn't watch anime.

>>4447252
anything is better then GFE shit that panders to lonely men and purityfags. you can't not say they pander to them when they're the reason vshoujo isn't collabing with hololive anymore.

>>4447554
Pretty much.
Hololive's like the entry shonen title, something that's popular with the masses due to it's shallow depth hence ease to understand.
Nijisanji's like that late night anime aimed specifically for the older audiences, more complicated in depth hence they attract a smaller audience in comparison, yet when you understand what they're about (by doing your reps), you stay glued to them.

>>4447665
So apparently watching anime has nothing to do with being successful as a vtuber, who'da known?

>>4447578
>Harassment was started by angry Nijiniggers because she criticized Nijisanji.
Nah retard. Harassment was started because seisofag found out about her boyfriend and her sex twit. It's Holo Seisofag did all the job, digging up old twitter, boyfriend, twitcasting. All Nijifag did was cheer on the antis and told everyone that Aloe deserved this. 5ch Nijifag were scum but dont pretend 5ch Holofag never involved on the harassment.

>>4447635
Aloe was 100 percent mentally ill Niji fans, Luna bullying may or may not be true at the very least she did have a falling out at the company, permissions was just Cover/ Jap corporate fuckery. If you like Niji that's cool but don't pretend Aloe wasn't directly the omega male jap subhumans of the niji fanbase.

>>4447616
>10k viewers
Interesting

https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCerkculBD7YLc_vOGrF7tKg

Also remember that playboard only tracks the last 15 streams so that average is including the recent buff that you posted in your picture. Her actual average is most likely much much lower.

>>4447528
wait what, those aren't her normal views, what happened?

>>4447635
Her old video also criticized the whole vtuber culture. And there were many other old videos/pictures uploaded revealing her very unidol-like behavior which triggered holopurityfags. I even remember how threads was harassing some Japanese holofan who dared to say that he was glad that Aloe graduated and that she deserved it.

>>4447554
Only a handful of Nijisanji streamers. That's only because these ones are not normalfags. E.g. Mito.

>>4447697
Dont try to whitewash faggot.
>>4447694

>>4447193
i think miko has incredible talent as an entertainer and that it's kind of unfair to be holding someone else to those standards

>>4447689
It has to do with Gura being a normalfag. It's very obvious that she is. She has an extremely surface level knowledge of weeb/otaku stuff, probably the lowest of anyone in holoEN.

Too many members that it's hard to pick one and you probably can't remember their names if you subscribe to other vtubers after a while. Any spike in popularity is from outside factors for the other Nijisanji members. That recent pirate KR one got more popular than her other genmates probably from EOPs. They've always had a branding problem outside of Japan and it looks like this holds true within there own circle. The boost only seems to be isolated to their own branches and that doesn't look like it will change anytime soon.

>>4447681
Jesus Christ - Why do Nijifaggots always act like Nijisanji is the End of Evangelion of Vtubing while shitting on Holos for being "a shonen title"

Most of you anime watching retards got into anime with Dragonball/One Piece/Naruto/HunterXHunter - all shonen shit

Stop acting as if Shonen shit is now suddenly too shallow and above you.

>>4447711
First new costume, birthday and first karaoke. She might incline hard after that (which >>4447701 doesn't seem to understand)

>>4447516
You are fucking retarded, Aloe's harrasment was started by vtuber antis trying to claim that she used her model before debut for personal profit until Cover came out and said that it was a private authorized test stream, then they started making narratives about her having a boyfriend until it was proven that he has broken up withbher even beforw the auditions, then they dug up an old video if her talking about Chitose and nijiniggers took hook, line and sinker and ended up with autistic shitnuggets like pic related

>>4447694
>>4447716
You're the only whitewashing faggot here, yes of course holo had its purity fags but the vast quantity of the vitriol was Niji otaku with a mean streak and chip on their shoulder. Your point is merely deflection from the fact, if you werent a pilpulling retard you would admit there are literal scum of the earth at the bottom of jap otaku fanbases especially idol/parasocial ones. That paticular scum in this case was niji scum, not saying nijisanji is responsible of course but it was the mentally ill portion of the fanbase that harassed aloe.

>>4447216
hololive has too many enemies tbf.
>nijiniggers
>hyassan
>futaba
>chinks
>gooks
>sjw
>trannies
>doxxcord
>anti-idolfags

>>4447578
JP Nijisanji fans on 5ch are of course different than the EN speaking demographic everywhere else. Choosing not to collab with a vtuber group is also different than a graduation, especially since doxxfags poured fuel on the fire when it turned out she was just a normal person and not a "seiso idol".
Nevermind that she was a literal succubus character either.

>>4447798
Spewing hard facts right there

>>4447760
>weeb/otaku stuff
Nobody gives a fuck. Gura is a socially awkward autist who grew up surrounded by degenerate internet sub cultures. She is the very opposite of a normal fag. Being an otaku/weeb isn't the only barometer for measuring whether somebody is a normalfag or not.

>>4447821
>socially awkward autist who grew up surrounded by degenerate internet sub cultures
Like every single zoomer on the planet? Cope nigga. Gura is just an ironic weeb memer and nothing more. She's on the same level as Pewdiepie.

>>4447760
>Normalfag
>Foot fetish, smell fetish, high pitched screaming that normies would be scared of putting on speakers

Like I said, watching anime has nothing to do with being normalfag or not normalfag. Train otaku aren't normalfags, they don't necessarily watch anime.

>>4447221
Some of those you mentioned are the ones that I've tried watching. Talking like a retard is all they have going for them, their streams have no substance. Some might find them cute but they're not funny.
>>4447528
Is that supposed to be impressive?

>>4447793
>until it was proven that he has broken up withbher even beforw the auditions
She literally said that she just broke with him during her apology stream

>>4447793
Sounds like what holofags here did to Ollie that made her go on a break not to mention attacking veibae for doing the same. holofags are hypocrites who knew

>>4447578
I don't know why people keep parroting this. But even if this is true, are we going to judge everyone based on retards from 5ch?>>4447635
>>4447697

>>4447592
I don't think things are reversed. Nijisanji still is more popular there, but of course, hololive grew a lot in 2020 in there.

>>4446174


Well for one thing, Nijisanji was never as big as Hololive amongst international audiences to begin with; and for another, NijiEn was late to the party; the big boost from tapping the untapped international/english speaking clip watching audience wasn't there because it was already tapped.

>>4447861
Most Niji streamers are more normalfag than Pewdiepie. Pewdiepie said the N-word and said gas the jews and got away with it with several apology videos. He's got /pol/ in the background in some of his videos.

>>4447500
the top comment on aloe's apology video was some niji fan claiming that she deserved it for speaking out against nijisanji so i personally can't really roll with them. i don't wanna be part of that kind of group

>>4447865
Wait you're talking about Hololive again

>>4447873
Did holofags fully dox Ollie or Veibae and sent them death threats?

Meds, please

>>4447880
No one is blaming the companies themselves but at the very least assign blame to the correct fans. Trying to say uohh us nijinigs didnu nuffin is just retarded in Aloe's case.

>>4447665
At the very least she watched Hinako Note.

>>4447787
So you are saying she is going to incline? Are you dumb? The tourist viewers who came in to check out her costume and stuff will leave, not stay.

>>4447927
Im not saying they did you idiot im saying its the same mentality. hololive fans went after veibae because she talked badly about hololive

>>4447861
>She's on the same level as Pewdiepie.

Social genius curating one of the most successful personal brands in the world?

>>4447927
Haven't holofags fully doxxed some of HoloID first gen after that steam name fuckup?

for all of the talk about niji not caring as much as hololive about a global audience, don't they have a lot more foreign branches? they have ID, KR, CN(lol), and IN(lol), right? if you count the weird nijiEN conversion of the IN branch, they also tried to go for an english branch first

they just suck is all

>>4447798
The real problem here you and those schizo tried to pin the blame on Nijifag alone. Holotard, Antis, Nijifag were all responsible for Aloe's dead but somehow Holotard tried to pin the blame on Nijifag alone and start a narrative spam in here.

>>4447578
A lot of JOPs still hate Aloe for not being a virgin to this day, anon. Only JOP Holofags would care for it.

>>4447252
>Western Otaku love nerdy idol shit
This isn't true at all. For years, the average Western otaku had a negative view towards anything idols because of all the "dark side of the idol industry" stories that was so prevalent a decade ago. Western otaku treated any wota as black sheep in their community.

>>4447784
Because it is?
At the end of the day, it's a matter of why you enjoy a particular medium
Most people don't watch Shonen for the plot, even if it has one. Most people watch it for the fight scenes, the action. When shonen is usually discussed, it's almost always about the fight scenes and power levels.
Just like Hololive, most people watch it for the memes (e.g. Pekora being a war criminal, her retarded laught, etc.). There's a lower percentage of people who actually watch them in full and know the chuuba and depth (hence the popularity of Holo clip channels in comparison, and the recurrent sole characterization of chuubas based on how they're popularly depicted in said channels).

>>4447963
Say what you will but at least the Holoretards gave Veibae a chance to retract her statement - Aloe was doxxed immediately and sent death threats

>>4447915
You don't watch someone's content because some jap said something on a comment section? lmao what level of faggotry is this?
You do know that Mel was stalked and harassed by someone who is a Hololive fan? Are you ok with being 'a part of that kind of group'?

>>4447861
I'm almost certain Pewdipie has watched a lot more anime than Gura.

>>4447880
Niji is more popular than Hololive in Japan by which metric? Even JOPs talk about how Hololive defeated Niji.

dont kid yourself nijiniggers. you know anything resembling anime, e.g., your chuuba live2ds, automatically filter true normalfags, especially jap ones. those people watch tv shows and hikakin. accept the fact that >we all are filthy loser otakeks.

>>4447960
Not the first time vtubers get more popular after they get more eyes on them after some big stream. Might be different for Hololive's unpopular members though where people tend to only band for big stream and then don't come back until the next one.

>>4448024
>You do know that Mel was stalked and harassed by someone who is a Hololive fan
Wrong. Its even worse. It's one of the Cover manager.

>>4447861
Well at least she watches the stuff that caters to her audience, e.g. Konosuba.

>>4448026
No, he said so himself.

>>4448024
Mel was stalked by her manager/staff. And they didn't even fire the guy.

>>4447867
Nigger, she said she broke up with him even before debuting, and it was confirmed by the boyfriend too because people statred DMing him too

Why do nijiniggers always lie?

Don't forget that niji are also to blame for Mori's Atlus yab

>>4447793
Ah, yes, the classic schiizo falseflag tribalist who spam the narrative about nijinigger harassed Aloe. Here's your nijinigger who happen to be holobrony with his N5 japanese
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7F3gJYga2_cNqChpRY8rMg/channels
Take you med

>>4448006
You forgot that numberfagging is a direct analogue to power level discussions.

>>4447927
>>4447970
What about Ollie and ID drama? Spoonfeed me pls

>>4447963
>the same mentality
>one doxxed and sent threads
>the other sperged out in an easily ignorable e-celeb forum
What similar mentality are you talking about? Are you unironically a twitterfaggot that believe words are violence? Restraining your self to non-violent spergouts is also a mentality, whore for brains

>>4448029

>>4448089
He's a normalfag that likes BLAME and Texhnolyze, right? Real anime otaku watches stuff like Jujutsu Kaisen and Kimetsu no Yaiba!

>>4448015
im not defending what happened to Aloe
>Veibae has to apologize for her opinion
Wow holofags are now sounding like the chinese.

>>4447976
And they do nothing for the foreign branches but let them drift into obscurity and irrelevance. Vihan from Niji IN never broke 10K subs and was around 8K before the announcement of their branch shutting down.
Hololive actually does a good job of supporting their lagging talents with collabs to help boost their numbers. If Anya were in Niji, she'd barely have 50K subs by now.

>>4448110
Oh yeah, forgot about that.

>>4447161
Subaru went from a who? to 900k in less than a few months.

>>4448163
>If Anya were in Niji, she'd barely have 50K subs by now
what's the downside

>>4447072
Hololive had better 3D tracking than Nijisanji back in 2019, rivaled by Game Club Project. You can check the archives and compare.

>>4448116
Ollie read a mean message somewhere and had a mini menhera episode in a members only stream. That's literally all it is.

>>4448163
>And they do nothing for the foreign branches but let them drift into obscurity and irrelevance.
And that's where you fucked up. NijiID alone got a number of original songs, 2.0 and new costumes.

>>4448091
He might be Matusri's manager right now. She said hers Mane-san is a guy. Who said all the managers were women because of Mel's stalker issue?

>>4448157
Veibae has a lot to talk about her shitty opinions man - not just on Hololive

Most of her old fans are still wondering what ever happened to "Fuck corporations, I will never join an agency" Veibae.

>>4447963
They didn't went after Vei necause "she talked bad about hololive" people just called her a hypocryte for calling Cover a black company and the talent fake streamers who just read from a script and then trying, banning anyone who tried to correct her and then try to cover everything up (heh) when there was clout to chase and money to make.

And again, people just brought up the clip when the collab was announced, there was no one threatening to kill her for saying mean things about the company

>>4448207
Too bad they got passed in that as early as in January 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV8tGfwMuF4

>>4448217
I was thinking about KR and IN.

>>4448116
Ollie had sex with her bf during an ID collab. Unironically.

>>4448213
it's weaksauce

>>4447304
>Don't forget about Luna being bullied out of Nijisanji either
It's funny that the passtime joke of old vtuber thread became the holy bible of the struggle of holobronies now.

>>4448029
Plus, most importantly, hololive has its own 2chan board while nijisanji doesn't.

>>4448288
Is that the same old fingerbang rrat?

>>4448091
>>4448234
Except he was fored almost immediately as soon as Mel reported him and the real issue was that he resorted to stalking and Cover wouldn't pay for her relocation or offer her legal assistance.

Funny how nijiniggers always denounce narukami as an unreliable narrativefag whe he's talking about Ichikara, but take everything he says at face value when itncomes to Holo, yalk about double standards

>>4448163
i mean they did try to give EN a lot of support, they just... didn't hit

they should try to poach hololive's scouts or something

>>4447793
more from にじ信者

>>4447304
>Don't forget about Luna being bullied out of Nijisanji either
I feel secondhand embarrassment from this post.

>>4448346
Its literally a schizo theory that purityfags and unicorns made up. Because they hate ollie for having the audacity to play apex with a guy.

>>4448234
Mel took the manager to court, so no.

>>4448217
>NijiID has original songs, 2.0, and new costumes
You know that putting a bandage on a compound fracture doesn't do anything right? No matter how much money AnyColor throws at ID they will always be failures streaming to double digit views.

>>4448163
They do nothing? ID has lots of original songs, sponsorships, voice packs, merchandise and shit. KR has the same.

> If Anya were in Niji, she'd barely have 50K subs by now.
If anyone from Hololive were on niji they would be on smaller scale yes, because outside of hololive, the vtubers don't have a brand to have 100k before debut.

>>4446522
Holy shit they squandered this so badly. They had a good chance with this.

>>4448239
This is exactly what baffles me about the people trying to defend her. Everyone is focused in saying that it's just purityfags and or people that likes the company. I don't give a shit about what she said about the company. I was annoyed by what she implied the girls are doing. She said she has no problems with them but then start criticizing them. If she watched the girls then she should have a different opinion of them. She was prejudiced and made poor remarks about them. She had a chance to revoke those statements about the girls but she never did. She chose to say that the collab was never her idea anyways and that apologizing will be trivial at that point. If she was sorry then perception shouldn't matter. But to her it does so clearly she wasn't sorry about anything.

>>4448333
That is not a good thing you know. Do you think MLP got their own board because they are too popular?

Oh no he's going to start spamming manjisanjis now

>>4448423
it's the big contrast between nijisanji and hololive, be it potential new fans or even just relationships between chuubas

nijisanji is cliquey and elitist while hololive is warm and welcoming. in retrospect, it's not really a surprise that niji fumbled this opportunity and stays trapped in their small pond while hololive has explosive growth

>>4448318
I remember reading about how 5ch users liked the idea of blaming everything on nijis that came from holo 4ch threads during aloe's thing.

Mito's unfappable if you know her personality

>>4446174
I've recently checked them out and I like the ones I watch so far, even some of the males. Only reason I never bothered with them (or indoes/small companies for a while) wasn't because of muh tribalism but because I'm a lazy and very autistic/mentally ill motherfucker. Outside of a few holos the rest don't really appeal to certain tastes I have compared to some of the niji livers and vice versa. It's a retarded comparison but if I were forced to describe niji feels more like bleach to where theres more things I like that it/they cater to while hololive would be something like one piece or precure/whatever where I like one or two things they do really well and that's it

>>4448437
That exactly why, at least on this shit site

>>4448333
They discuss Niji on the regular vtuber board which is way more active than the Hololive one.

>>4448490
>while hololive has explosive growth
into the cancer ocean

>>4448130
>Aha! I found one, just one, very specific thing in which Niji beat Holo, so therefore it's more relevant than Holo in Japan
Also, since when 35k copies sold is anything to speak of? It means Niji beat all chubas in PHYSICAL CDs, which is nothing because their competition is 4,5k from Kizuna Ai and the like.

>>4448540
muh sour grapes

>>4448373
EN didnt do well because they kept constantly cockteasing and they took WAY too to debut them

>>4446174
As an outsider, it just feels to me like Niji has too many talents. A pool that big means its harder to form connections.

>>4448490
Please actually watch streams before you talk out of your ass next time

>>4446174
very few of their streamers speak english regularly and I do not speak very good japanese
they also have very few translation channels or clip channels to show highlights and get people interested in their streams
the exception to both was Hana for me, but I could literally not care less about 90% of the Niji tubers

>>4448412
Ah yes. Retard who doesn't know how Indonesian market and Nijisanji business style work. Big number good. Small number bad. Sponsorship? Live event? Local media collaboration? What is that?

>>4446174
Nijiniggers like to ignore the fact that it's a problem but it's the males. If they got rid of the males Nijisanji would explode everywhere and would probably equal Hololive. It's the sole reason why I have personally avoided Nijisanji and will continue to avoid them until the males are gone.

>>4448540
Growth is growth anon.

>>4448437
This site would be so peaceful if holobronies got thier own board holy shit.

>>4448532
The also discuss holo there, what is your point really ?

>>4448514
The same for me. Hololive keeps you hooked once you are inside the rabbit hole. There's always something new. It's hard to break the habit once you have them in your sched. Especially now that a lot of people can work outside now. You kind of stick to a schedule now. You will only really stick to what you like at this point. And another thing is that Holopro gives way for each other during special events. I love that. It gives me a chance to be engaged with the bigger community outside of my favorite girl

>>4447546
Perhaps you're right, but she'll never be as big as the Holos in the world stage. If it's good or bad, to each their own

>>4448541
First of all the reply was about "by which metric" and that was one of example. Secondly can you remind me how many copies BOUQUET sold again?

>>4448586
Niji will never sell out and abandon their male talent. they treat their male and female talent equally. and don't have to pander to purityfags to be popular

>>4448490
dude, this argument of clique is so much stupid. I began watching hololive between nijisanji and holo. I watch Nijisanji since december 2020 and there's so many close people.

The most close ones are the overseas branches with the gen they debuted together, alongside future ones. But the japanese branch also has the same with the ones who debuted together and so on. It's really not that different from hololive, where the own generations are the clique thing and of course, not everyone is really that close.

Besides, most nijisanji and hololive vtubers know each other before so this always looks stupid to me, considering how they were in cliques even before, like Shiina, Okayu, Sasaki and Korone.

>>4448593
I'm looking at the front page right now and it's literally all Niji. The holobronies have the designated containment board.

>>4446174
They're not a unified group. Just because I'm interested in Lazulight isn't gonna suddenly make me care about a fuckton of randos they'll never interact with or even probably contribute to any company functions besides. There's no connection between NijiEN and NijiJP the same way there's a connection between HoloEN and HoloJP

>>4446174
Nijisanji is literally vtuber Machinima
they're a loose group of content creators under a single banner and no one watches all of them
bonus for both being black companies

>>4448514
You like Rion? Great taste

>>4448581
This sounds like some serious cope anon. They are literally putting a bandage on serious life threatening road rash and hoping it fixes the problem. We aren't just talking about small numbers here, we are talking about double digit small numbers, as in, seriously REALLY bad.

>>4448532
>way more active
Rn they're about the same.

>>4448586
And be like the other Indies/Vtuber groups who recycles the same formula of animu girls doing cringe cute stuff just for clicks (which is oversaturated by this point)? lol

>>4448333
Hololive got a board on futaba, because of how much hate they would get, and nips wouldn't stop trolling their threads, and futaba is slow as fuck too. Nijisanji is more active on 2ch, albeit being a cesspool.

>>4448586
>If Niji got rid of the males Nijisanji
Killing the golden goose for the prospect of, maybe, beating the Holos isn't good business, anon

>>4448333
2chan hates hololive because they catered to chink and then catering to western gaijin faggot, and holobronies get bullied hard by them to the point 2chan's mod make a safe space for them, hololive is literally SJW-tier cancer

I tried posting in a Nijisanji thread once on /jp/ pre-/vt/ and they told me to fuck off back to /hlg/.

I didn't even mention Hololive, I just mentioned the cool ojisan in Nijisanji.

>>4448666
Of course there's no connection between them. It's not even 1 month.

> There's no connection between NijiEN and NijiJP the same way there's a connection between HoloEN and HoloJP
You mean except for two of the three Lazulight talking with other branches every day on twitter? Finana less but she still talk a bit.

>>4448683
If you consider them a black company, then cover is no different when they have a sexual harassement of their own employee under Mel. Be fair.

>>4448624
>BOUQUET
Dunno, I'm not a Holofag to know such obscure lore. I'm still going to insist that beating any chuba in physical CD copies and trying to make a big deal out of it is sad, anon

>>4446503
2 Robocos? I am fucking sold anon!

>>4448697
what? double digit small numbers? Most of ID are over 100 viewers, with some like Hana, Siska, Taka and Bon going to 500.

>>4448753
This is ironic considering that Nijisanji literally sold ownership of their company to bilibili. They also have an EN branch now so they are also catering to western gaijin faggot.

Once again just proof that Nijiniggers are just overall toxic fuck heads and don't hold their black company to the same standards that they hold others too.

>>4448502
wheever they go, holobronies are the same stock of cancer

>>4448586
>get rid of maimaoto, kuzuha, Belmont and based Dracula
No.

Nijisanji isn't for you if:
1. You can't understand JP
2. You not lurk long enough to understand the inside joke
3. Your sense of joke is just at level of haha hihi motherfucker
4. You just too lazy to watch actual stream a.k.a clipfag
5. You just watching vtuber for pussy & GFE material
Thats the checklist, feel free to visit after you fulfill the criteria

>>4447250
Anon, she straight up reveals past and current dating experiences.
She is a normalfag for Holo standards.

>>4448811
>This is ironic considering that Nijisanji literally sold ownership of their company to bilibili
proof?

>>4448780
So did gatekeeping bite nijiniggers in the ass?

>>4448783
yes cover is also a black company
the tribal shit on this board is so ingrained you think be saying niji is a black company means I don't think cover is also a black company

>>4448788
Isn't as sad as anons backing off when they get proofs that "muh merch" actually brings money

>>4446515
Did you miss all of the /hlg/-elitists getting mad EOPs watch HoloJPs and post in their chats?

Everyone schizoposting about why they'd rather be dead than watch Hololive or Nijisanji.
I just think that Ange is cute

>>4448836
I dont give a shit if she is boring into, especially in her JK outfit is pure fucking mating press material

>>4448857
I think anon means VirtuaReal.

>>4448783
>It's not even 1 month.
There's never GOING to be, either. Even the JPs are all in little cliques that they only ever leave to extend pleasantries. The company is a fragmented mess: there's simply no reason to treat the collective banner as a single entity to "get into". They should be treated like indies with a few more friends than average for all intents and purposes
>You mean except for two of the three Lazulight talking with other branches every day on twitter?
>twitter
>280 character comment chains

>>4448861
/jp/ hates eops and newfags, your kind was never welcome there.

>>4448884
holobronies, not even one

Here's why
https://youtu.be/OacjtccX044

tl;dw too hard for the average clipper to translate; less translations = less eops

>>4448857
Also would like a proof about Nijisanji being Sony's subsidiary

>>4448697
They are probably just doing okay because of those said sponsorships. But I doubt if they are making bank. Probably the vtubers themselves chipin a lot to save in costs be it money or talent/admin wise. Ollie is probably one of the most profitable right now just by judging at her SCs alone in playboard. The sponsorships would be just icing on the cake for her. And Reine is so rich girl that she's probably channeling whatever she earns into paying redshift. NijiID management probably needs to find sponsors to keep them afloat.

Nijisanji is literally Joshiraku for EOP

>>4448893
That's fair, I'd get mad too.

>>4446174
>the name Hololive itself is in English
>the name Nijisanji is gibberish
>Holo avatars are generally some mix of animal or fantasy character that kaigainiki can relate to.
>Niji avatars are mostly some Japanese stereotype that kaigainiki can't relate to
>gay Niji rainbow logo indicates to western audiences that it is for fags
>Niji has over 180 wildly divergent cast members with no quality control, not friendly for short attention span anons to build brand loyalty on
In short Hololive tries to cater to English speaking audiences more from the get go. Also the better quality control and fewer members makes it easier to build a globally recognizable brand.

>>4448916
That's not what I asked, anon, nor what I was referring to.

>>4448687
Hell yeah I do

>>4448615
Yeah its really nice finally having one holo to stick to instead of forcing myself to watch everyone, I'll sometimes watch rushia, botan or korone when shes playing some old games but i usually stick to my oshi. Any other time I definitely make sure I tune in for major events, huge collabs, etc. when it's in my power to do so

>>4448893
that's the thing they jerk off to numbers and then complain about things that only happen because hololive is popular

>>4448980
God I love her

>>4448920
It was hilarious when live "translators" tried to work on one of Fuwa's stream and quickly gave up not even halfway through

>>4448976
So basically niji is bleach while holo is naruto?

>>4447252
Jesus almighty this is like a parody of a retarded ironic weeb opinion. Gives me bad memories of how Love Live fags used to paint Idolmaster as a "normalfag" franchise despite reality contradicting them outright.
You don't understand 2D culture in Japan or how it intersects with "normalfags" to begin with, nothing 2D is normalfag related except children's anime, Ghibli, super popular WSJ manga and certain seinen/josei series.
"2D" here is not literal by the way, it referrers to aesthetics.

>>4448811
>Nijisanji literally sold ownership of their company to bilibili
It's called partnership or Joint-ventures retard. Nijisanji and Bilibili partnered together to create Virtual Real aka Nijisanji CN. Virtual Real is owned by Ichikara and managed by Bilibili.
>their black company
People don't seem to even understand what black company means. A streaming company that required you to stream 5-6 days a week for 5+ hours, took 50% of your earnings, sexual harrass you, and gave you no support whatsoever while putting a bunch of restrictions on you would be a black company. A company that just puts you under their brand and then doesn't give a fuck what you do with your time isn't.

>>4446174
I watch Niji for the sex. If Gundou and Hoshikawa are doing an offline collab, my hands reflexively go rub my crotch.

>>4448899
I wish Ange would compare my dick to a bottle cap and say it's too small

>>4449032
Pretty much. Brand building one o one. Why do you think Sony renamed itself to Sony instead of it's original Tokyo Tsushin Kogyo.

>>4449055

>>4448959
EOPs should shut up and just watch the stream. They might even learn some japanese for a change. Or maybe they are content to just read overly localized subs. Hell, they might even enjoy the unfunny reddit-tier joke infested subs the HoloGra translators love to make.

>>4449055
God that RFA from a week and a half ago was something else

>>4448954
lulu, ars, sara, and etc are fine for EOPs.

>>4449110
To this day I still believe coco is the one subbing all of that shit

>Nijis I watch
*Rindou (songs)
*Lulu (Let's Plays)
*Melissa (songs)
*HonHima (assorted)
*Toko (songs)
*Yashiro (collabs, Let's Plays)
*Kenmochi (gags)
>Holos I watch
*Friend (Let's plays)
*Shuba (Let's plays)
*Marine (Let's plays)
*Sora (Songs)
*Astel (Songs, APEX)
*Roberu (Zatsudans, collabs)

Rate my tastes, /vt/.

>>4449012
Same...

>>4449159
>Nijis I watch
>rate my taste
>you watch Nijis
You have absolutely shit tier taste. Drop the Nijis and then I will re-evaluate.

>>4449159
too good and not tribal enough for this shithole.

>>4449159
moeshit/10
you just want to hear uuguu kawaii anime girl's noise

>>4449012
Who doesn't?

>>4449159
>Homoshits

>>4449159
>not a single holoEN
>not a single nijiEN
Better than 95% of the anons posting here.

>>4449159
surprised-you-watch-Toko-but-not-Suisei/10

>>4447093
I still have no clue where people got that black company shit early on. The only things that come to mind are that one time Mito talked about the website for the audition looking shady or how SEEDs was briefly segregated before being merged with the main branch.

For every nijifan trying to defend or say that nijisanji vtubers are not this or not that, there will always going to be at least 2 or 3 nijisanji vtuber that fits the description. Both cover and nijisanji have fuck ups. It's bound to happen to startup companies. There is no actual point in defending both companies. You are here because of the vtuber. It shouldn't be that complicated to like a streamer.

>>4449110
Imagine getting mad people dare watch a stream without learning Japanese first and then whining about your stream company not being as popular as the one that encourages people who don't speak Japanese to watch

>>4448884
You're still taking pride of 35k physical CD copies. Cringe

>>4449159
You watch the based lolicon and the based shotacon. You're already better than most of the fags in here.

>>4449159
>Rindou for songs
Do you watch the other í's songs on Kaede/Lize's channels or just her solo ones?
This is important to decide if your taste is ok or based.

>>4449159
>Nijis I watch
none
>Holos I watch
Miko (everything, she is perfect)

Rate my tastes, /vt/.

>>4447784
>Most of you anime watching retards got into anime with Dragonball/One Piece/Naruto/HunterXHunter - all shonen shit
Fuck off, I got in anime because of Doraemon

>>4448976
>In short Hololive tries to cater to English speaking audiences more from the get go
English audience wasn't even under consideration until late 2019. Their primary audience was Japan and China.

>>4449159
Pretty generic but otherwise good taste. At least it's not Coco, Miko and Pekora the ironic weeb magnet trio.

>>4449257
>Imagine getting mad people dare watch a stream without learning Japanese first
You can watch. Just shut up and enjoy the show.
>and then whining about your stream company not being as popular as the one that encourages people who don't speak Japanese to watch
Why would I want more kaigaifags watching nijisanji? So they can spam reddit memes in chat? So they can backseat at twice the rate of japs despite being a quarter of the audience? Haha maybe they can get my oshi to say HI HONEY. A real knee slapper.

>>4448419
>original songs, sponsorships
I agree that these could help to boost their popularity, but
>voice packs, merchandise
is not going to help at all since a newfag doesn't really know and what to expect from those so they don't really want to "risk" their money for it (especially shipping cost)

>>4448874
Well yeah, because I don't ever see anyone here doing that. lol

>>4448921
They aren't. Idk how this rrat even exists. Sony Music Japan is the one who invested in them in 2020 and they have only minoritary stakes.

>>4449032
>>4449095
A better comparison would be that Hololive is final fantasy and Nijisanji is Dragon Quest.

>>4448980
Rion looks so hot in this outfit.

>>4449051
Yeah, I think only early nijisanji could go on that front. They still are companies so of course they are going to explore you, like all those agencies do, but not to that level.

>>4447784
Fuck you faggot. My first anime are Doraemon, Cardcaptor Sakura, and Rurouni Kenshin.

>>4447784
Niji is more like watching references to niche anime from the late 90's early 2000's that never got subbed combined with the most common shonen shit ever.
Watching Hololive is like watching references to Crunchykek subs with the occasional 4kids dub engrish streams.

Not for quality, but for how much EOPs would understand the references and follow what's going on.

>>4449159
Not enough tribalist for /vt/.

>go into the niji thread on /jp/
>it was actually comfy
>the people in thread seemed nice and chill for the most part when i went in there
either i came in at a time where the autismos there were asleep or something because i never got told to fuck off like some of you guys even when i asked questions about stuff

>>4449215
>He watches male vtubers he's gay!!!
What is wrong with you people.

>>4449463
out of the two groups the stars are legitimately the most boring male vtubers

>>4449377
Sure thing. As far as what we can see, Nijisaji is very much pushing NijiEN. The took reddit. And is apparently happy with how these nijigirls are acting on Twitter. Maybe you don't watch all of the moments where a number of nijisanji vtubers do actually interact with eops. The bigger the nijien vtuber roster becomes, the higher the higher the chances are of that meme culture permeating to nijijp. A lot of the nijijp don't mind it anyways. It creates interaction.

>>4449463
These people don't have friends so they are incapable of understanding the concept of heterosexual friendship. Which might explain why they think their favorite streamer's yuribait is real.

>>4449377
>Why would I want more westerners watching nijisanji?
Fortunately for you, Niji will never be globally popular

>>4449536
its more like the holostars just fucking suck

>>4449463
He unironically is. Watching male vtubers is cringe and I seriously hope you never do that.

>>4449438
Go there and say you love Hololive and want to know more about Nijisanji. In English. Then come back here and tell us what happened

>>4449159
Too good for this website
Now leave

if niji somehow graduate half of their talents, from around 100 to 50, i might give it a chance to watch them

>>4449438
The anon who said that you will get told to fuck off is probably the same anon who whine on /jp/ /vy/ thread before /vt/ was created. His saltiness was hilarious .

>>4449659
Would be faster for you to graduate yourself

>>4449396
I wonder if you can actually buy ANYCOLOR stock, like do ANYCOLOR actually being listed on Tokyo Stock Exchange or they're still technically a private company but being invested like unicorn startup?

Sorry I seem to have stepped into the shitflinging thread.

>>4449676
>going to /vyt/
>ever
man even before /hlg/ and the niji threads became a thing in /jp/ that shit was ground zero for schizos. especially that one AIfag

>>4449526
I don't like hi honey shit either because it's overused like most holo memes, but people already sent it to toko and hana.

>>4449575
Plenty of vtubers and youtubers are only popular in their own country and still very successful so I don't think much about it.

>>4449575
Imagine thinking this is a bad thing

>>4449659
If they did that you all would use it as ammo lmao

>>4449697
Both anycolor and cover are private. Although both seem interested to go public.

>>4449271
Here you go not-a-Holofag

>>4447159
Holy based

My view priority is usually go like this: Holo and Indies (Vshojo are in indies category) have same priority. If Holo have interesting content then I'll prioritize on watching Holo, first, else if Indies have interesting content then I'll watch them. Unless both have shit contents then I'll probably try to look for NijiEN. This does not take consideration into non-vtuber contents but I usually watch alot and this category basically have lower priority than Holo and Indies but higher than NijiEN and Niji in general.

>>4447159
I kneel...

Nijis I watch
Chihiro
Hoshikawa
Risu

Holos I watch
Uto
Nabi
Ina
Rena

>>4448267
Took them like a year? And by then, EOPs are already growing on Hololive.

>>4450011
Holy Based!

>>4450011
Based

>>4450011
based whore enjoyer

>>4449032
Somehow for me, Niji is Kancolle and Holo is Azur Lane

>>4450011
Sara is a whore but I forgive her because she speaks japanese

>>4450175
She speaks Japanese but I forgive her because she is a whore.

>>4450011
Risu is sus

>>4450204
hot..

>>4446174
>didn't get translated as much as hololive (allegedly because they're harder to translate, but I'm an EOP so I couldn't really tell you either way)
>didn't have a break out viral hit like Fubuki's scatman cover
>not a lot of cross promotion within Niji like Hololive has/it's cliquey
and most importantly
>never really tried to cater to EOPs
Nijisanji probably could have overcome a lot of the other hurdles they face in English speaking markets if they actually tried to grow an overseas fanbase over the years. would they be as popular Hololive, which had a lot of luck on it's side? I doubt it, but they would have been a hell of a lot more competitive with Hololive in the west.

the word nijisanji or anycolor just doesnt sit right with me. and liver is quite possibly the most retarded name they could have used to call their chuubas

fuck bros, i just took a massive nijisanji right now

>>4450250
Why do people keep saying Niji doesn't have a viral hit when the clip of Shizuka Rin in Pewdiepie's LYLY has been reposted here multiple times

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO YOU NIJINIGGERS HAVE TO BE TOLD THAT YOU DID HAVE A VIRAL MEME/HIT

>viral clip
>pewdiepie fans
>post SING CUNTRY ROADS LOOOL LMAO ad nauseum shitting up chat.
>towards a literal >30 years old hag who can't even speak a speck of english whatsoever and only plays FF. Not to mention when the management is still retarded.
>in 2018-early 2019 when english speaking world didn't even know wtf a vtubers is except le anime girl AI.

>>4450056
More like around 9 months at best since Hololive 3D haven't started until Fubuki's 3D redebut at the end of March 2019.

>>4449463
They're insecure about their sexuality please understand.

>>4450400
Wait what, Rin appeared in pewdiepie? I remember Siro, not Rin.

>>4450342
>massive nijisanji
What color? Anycolor?

>>4447516
>Aloe's harassment started by Hololive seisofag
now this is pure speculation on my part, but I'm pretty sure no one was surprised that the literal succubus was obsessed with sex.

>>4446880
oh yeah I remember seeing that video years ago, back at that time I even wondered who they are therefore didn't care enough
yeah they have better chance with that meme but oh well

Kinda sad that NijiEN clippers barely get 2k views while some HoloEN gets 100k in a day. Hope they get their footing soon.

>>4448238
I mean VShojo give much more freedom than Holo and Niji so there's that. Vshojo inside is basically just handle legal issues for them.

True story

I'm a lolicon so I naturally got into vtubers like Chihiro, Alice, and Ririmu back in the day. I watched them pretty frequently back in the day. I didn't know what Nijisanji was or even any agency back then. I just liked watching the lolis stream and chill with us. Then as I continued watching I obviously got more knowledge about the vtuber business as a whole. I found out about Nijisanji and that these lolis were part of that group. However I also found out that this group had males, yes, males. After I found out about the males I dropped the lolis like a bad habit and have never watched a single minute of Nijisanji since. Real shame since I used to be a big fan.

>>4450175
Imagine shaming Hoshikawa onstream by making her moan against her will. It's like making Marine do non-consensual sex.

>>4450753
Holoen? Nijien can't even compete with Vshojo.

>>4450838
Vshojo is bigger than Nijisanji. Biggest vtuber companies are

1. Hololive
2. Vshojo
3. Nijisanji

>>4446174
Mito is the only good Niji but she's the most patrician vtuber by far so it evens out.

>>4450804
True shitpost

>>4450400
You're fucking stupid if you think pewdiepie sitting watching an anime girl sing then saying "I don't get it" before switching clips is anywhere NEAR fbk scatman or Miko saying nigga while playing GTA.

>>4446174
>What makes foreigners unable to get into Nijisanji?
Niji didn't blow up like Hololive because it didn't have the normalfag memes that were then followed up by the massive rush of clippers trying to cash in on the hype. Any other answer is completely wrong.

>>4450804
Scared that this Chad might steal them from you?

>>4447193
>>4448423
Because one clip can't do shit, you need a whole team of chink sweatshop who translated clip for free in 27 hours shift afterward, also she appeared only one minute in bulk clip, everyone didn't know who the hell she is, even pdp, it was never similar

>>4450400
I forgot about it and they never capitalized on it either way, which is indicative of some of the other problems I listed. Fubuki grabbed everyone's attention with scatman, used it to grow her own channel, and then went on to promote every other member of hololive, and even holostars, to everybody that would listen, including EOPs, which she does all the time. Rin, and Nijisanji as a whole, did fuck all with country roads.

>>4447291
I don't know about now, but back then, this shit was all over the place. Twitter, Reddit (including the official subreddit), YouTube, you name it. You couldn't mention anything tangentially related to Aloe without being spewed how it was Niji's fault that she was gone (Happy Synthesizer, anyone?).

>>4451031
>free advertisement from the most subbed Youtuber in one of his most viewed videos is not equal to Scatman or Miko saying Nigga

I'd argue this should have gotten Nijisanji bigger reach more than any memes Hololive had

>>4451052
No, I'm just not a faggot cuck that watches male vtubers

>>4450400
>countryroadspls
>englishcommentpassingby

>>4451201
the jp comments are no better, only you can't understand those

>>4451138
Nijisanji didn't have an event in Azur Lane translated to English

>>4451201
Imagine if Rin didn't have her FFXIV schizo arc and actually managed to keep all those new viewers

>>4451256
Not to such an extent by far.

>>4449823
So, half of that Niji CD. It's weak too

>>4449745
>>4449761
Probably Niji executives think it's bad

>>4451256
I love this one because it's always parroted by someone who can't even read kana.

>>4451201
my account is in that image kek

>>4451201
Fucking wasted.

>>4451268
From the looks of it, that was one of her most viewed streams. They had a chance before Hololive and threw it away. These are the after affects.

it's not like I'm specifically a holotard but I took a look at niji's roster and the only ones I even recognized were the EN girls and Lulu. niji needs more exposure.

There's just no masses-friendly entry point
>/vt/ masses are here for hololive shitposting, from being told by another retard in some discord
>you dont straight up go into a nijisanji reddit if you dont know what the fuck nijisanji is
>no massive spread niji clips
>you wont get niji clips recommended from watching hololive

Vshojo went around this because of the twitch recommendations and raids systems

>>4452018
Holofags are so quick to assume things (no it's not one of her most viewed streams)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI8KagHHQnw
This on the other hand IS one of her most watched vods (such a beautiful selection of comments, my favourites are 2:18:20, 2:18:20 and 2:18:22)

>>4452163
Almost all of the Vshojo were already big before joining it

>>4449159
>Ago
I swear even if you dont understand a single lick of what he says the stream is still fun. Though he never announces streams much less streams on time

>>4447390
You don't understand anon, Utako literally did a fucking VR porn watchalong stream before.

>>4450011
>Chihiro
I bet you love APEX so much you want to inject it in your blood

>>4447469
She can, when she laughs her brains out she actually sounds like your average cute girl, and when she's scared she makes cute weird souds, which is shocking because she's normally a disgusting old man in the body of a woman.

>>4453493
her own chat cringes at her if she starts doing cutesy shit

>>4452552
data gravity. numbers attract numbers.
Yes they were big, but they grew even bigger, often gaining thousands of average viewers