/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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The True Average Tally of ID VTubers on February 2023 (Hololive ID, Nijisanji [ex-ID], and MAHA5)

Some of the highlights:
>Kaela’s stream hours decreased from 227 in January 2023 to 170 in February 2023. It’s still longer than Moona (96 hours).
>Layla Alstroemeria from NIJISANJI gains significant growth from 135 in January 2023 to 445 in February 2023, with slight increases in her stream hours. Her numbers are growing thanks to her Language Series streams, most notably one of said streams with Ike Eveland from NIJISANJI EN.
>Andi ended her February hiatus early. Yet, he’s still mogged most of the ex-IDs except Mika and Layla.

More highlights: >>44081524
>>/vt/thread/S44000230#p44081524

Indos up.

>>44213182
If MAHA5 can't recruit some interesting and/or talented talents for their 4th gen then they're done. Andi, Alia, and Zen can't carry the company forever. New smaller corpos will take their place sooner or later.

Intermezzo:
When I validated the supplementary ID VTubers tally manually, I found an interesting thing. I checked Gentiana Helix's Playboard page and I found this. Can someone confirm that if you search on Youtube with this keywords, there's chance that you'll find her channel?

>>44216098
It's seems like the ID market are quick to dump and replace their oshi between the big3, isn't it? Some months ago I see that exIDs were depending on their newest wave as their biggest growing wave, should've pumped their nijidebuts here instead of 2021, you stupid anycolor same with holo with each of their new debuts which makes ID4's impact really interesting to see later this year, especially towards ID3 viewers, also any bets for who and when we'll see a new entry in big3 anon? vtuber.asia noted that it should be AKA but I kinda doubt their chances now ngl

>>44217178
Most of the AKA Virtual talents are 2views, except Amarynn. Cupang Hibrida, Akemi, and Frederett are close to 100 in terms of Average CCV Mean. I'll post the numbers.

So, here's The Supplementary Tally of ID VTubers for February 2023.

There are some notes about this tally:
>Only ID VTubers with 23,000 subscribers or more and streamed 5 times or more in a month are being counted in this tally. The exception is the VTubers who most likely can reach about >100 Avg. CCV.
>The numbers that are being ranked are Avg. CCV Mean. That means the average number of Average CCVs in February 2023.
>Sena's birthday stream doesn't count on Playboard's live stream statistic. Otherwise, she'll have 2 streams being counted and the numbers will be different.
>Both Airi 3D Showcase and 3D Birthday streams aren't counted on Playboard's live stream statistic. Otherwise, her numbers will be different.

>>44217178
If Re:Memories talents like Chloe or Reynard can stream more frequently, they can become the dark horse. Their numbers (especially Chloe) can't be underestimated.

>>44217178
It's our character I guess, things like Holobox doesn't really exist here, the loyalty of the fans is more to the person than to organization.
It's reflected to our politics btw, Indonesian votes for the candidates more than their parties.

I guess it's more important for agencies in ID to find a breakout talent than to spend time and resources building a fanbox.

HUMBALA HUMBALA HUMBALA.

Ooooooo 4chan God, i pray to Thee. Please let this thread be free from any schizos.

HUMBALA HUMBALA HUMBALA, AMEN.

if holoid gen3 is the miracle gen like jp3, can't wait to see id4 to have
>An unknown tiktoker with super scuff debut, possibly bf voice leak but have godly singing voice
>Mediocre ex-niji liver with annoying loli voice (nagica?)
>flestreamer turn 2d with potty mouth but care with her gen mate and fans (tante giska?)

And don't forget one of them gonna covering gen1 mistake(most likely moona) from making big yab but only make her get harrased and graduate. Instead

>>44221978
anon giska can't do shit without her "reaction" content, i don't think holo accept someone without talent like her

>>44222944
>her strongest content is reaction
just like coco then

>>44221978
Can't wait to see moona and new member saying something megabased and anti-woke with there's only 2 gender, then one of woke tempus member going to attack her that lead to termination of stars En.

>>44221978
Holoid scouting arent that dumb, anon. The worst thing that can happen is probably another sana case. Also jp4 wasnt that BAD

>>44224429
>another Sana case

You mean another nepo-hiring or good model wasted on a lazy streamer?

>>44224719
that remind me moona did say shes helping her friend to join gen4

Deisex.
https://twitter.com/deidey16_/status/1631210534304624641

>>44224719
All of that + the graduation

>>44225656
>deidey16_
Is she forever 16 years old?
>removed clothes when you're late for 5 seconds
What if I'm late for 5 minutes?
Naked?

>>44227351
Forever 17, or so she said.

>>44226496
Kek, wouldn't it be funny if that turns out to be true and HoloID falls into irrelevancy in ID chuuba scene? It's like history repeating itself

>https://twitter.com/GemaGathika/status/1631491534867812353?s=19
Gema trying to do English stream low key I hope she did this because she advanced to next step on holo audition

>>44224982
she said only for registration, but who knows

>>44229308
> spoiler
I highly doubt that.

Btw there's already like 3-4 Outdonesian regulars on her streams afaik. I guess she felt lowkey guilty for leaving them wondering what she says when she speaks indo. Also, she has a discord server, just like each of most (if not all) AKA talents. Her written EN is pretty good (esp. because she used to write BL, and also being a programmer IRL) it's just that she feels like she needs to work on her speech; most Indonesians are a bit insecure with their accents and vocabs.

Previously, she did a challenge that mirrors Cupang's ID-only challenge stream https://www.youtube.com/live/EcPrAY9jb4E?feature=share

>>44227841
since when did Council fall into irrelevancy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8oAldur00Y
Seems like Melatonin is the hyp game among chuubas I've followed, here's Kawi live take on it rn

>>44216098
If I remember MAHA5 had an audition last year right? What happens?

>>44084750
One of the viewers on the stream (unarchived, sadly) caught my eye, and apparently it's a new chuuba group debuting this month (March 2023)
They got 2 teasers so far, but the full-team voices are here:
https://youtu.be/7fn-T99YaMg

And, by the bits of hints dropped during Naiver's "not really a graduation karaoke stream", there's a chance she'll reincarnate here. The lines on the teasers are too short for me to be sure about it tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcNYSLyEy-0
It's been liv for a while but Naya's checking ASTAF rn!

>>44231301
Nah, they're just that slow. I remember that their 3rd gen (which consists of just 2 talents) took about a year from audition to debut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxyBIGTA-P8
Check what groom(probably)cord jokes are with Nana rn

>>44230240
Oh no, they're still relevant, alright. That was just me exaggerating the slippery slope effect from talent from a big company graduating in a what-if scenario

WHAT IF... REALLY BIG IF... Cover do a go big or go home bet with adding safiyya with new ukhti persona to gen4, Does anon here think it's possible? is it worth it? can it work?

>>44235555
Even if cover somehow decided to do that (they won't), you guys need to stop adding some random boring chuuba, their standard is not that low. Remember that everyones are speculating about ID3 to be this chuuba and that chuuba only to ends up with 1 former chuuba. Now that their mindchair are 10x (or maybe even more) higher, the chance is even lower.

>>44235765
>you guys need to stop adding some random boring chuuba
stop speculating some random chuuba i mean

>>44235555
i just check her channel, really surprised by how she is still active streaming constantly. even her content is surprisingly really variative. but, i don't think its worth adding her to ID4 even tho it will be interesting to she how she does in a bigger market.

>>44235765
its slow day anon, i just want to keed the discussion going before divegrass kek

>>44235879
yeah her gimmick have a big potential in ID market but i dont think EN or JP fans will like it

https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1631615173990678529
Ooh naisu, finally one sponsorship item did reached Kobo, now if only cover simplifies the path for any other brands to send items to holoIDmems

Honestly, why are some of you so obsessed with "I want this VTuber to be in HoloID Gen 4"? I remember when Miti announced her graduation impulsively, some anons went "Is she going to be in HoloID?". You know what, I would like to see a surprise. A relatively unknown person blowing everyone's mind. Just like Kobo.

>>44236113
>divegrass
can you share the time again?

>>44236576
finally, after more than 2 months rumao

>>44236763
They have to ship it to Japan first, so 2 months sound pretty reasonable.

I consider both Kobo and Kaela as unknown. Even Zeta, the only former chuuba, was not at the top of the speculation list for ID3. With how big Kobo is reaching, including a lot of female fans, we might actually get a gen with some really surprising background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4mcjfTUYcc&ab_channel=UtadaZoeyCh.%E6%AD%8C%E7%94%B0%E3%81%9E%E3%81%8A%E3%81%84

>>44236579
a surprise is surely nice but this is a gossip thread inside gossip board so that kind of post is expected to happen especially when it closer to their debut.

>>44237406
I'm fine with gossip, but it would be more interesting if it has some real possibility. You can have an ukthi chuuba without it being saffiya.

>>44236715
/warkop/ vs. /wvt/
>Monday, 6th March 2023, 00:00 WIB

/warkop/ vs. /vsj+/
>Sunday, 12nd March 2023, 01:20 WIB

/aa+corpo/ vs. /warkop/
>Saturday, 18th March 2023, 03:20 WIB

>>44237568
Oh, i thought it was tonight. thanks anyway

Streams I wanna shill tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbBpW_RqO1w
Devi's playing outlast 2 soon after her download's done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W75HcpVZd_o
ASTAF time for our /here/ Cae

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E3yyURNP1I
Lenaid, the guy in OP is showcasing his stage and singing skills as well, hop in!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E3yyURNP1I
Ethel has a new 3D model and I wonder how improved that model will be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIUgX2qcm10
Imagine being MIA for so long your kouhai has to do karaokes for you

>Beeg Don't Starve Together collab, it has Oppai Loli and even Punipun on it
Pirrou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpUOoInLF4E
Mijo https://youtu.be/Scd06SMBkA4

>>44238664
>Imagine being MIA for so long your kouhai has to do karaokes for you
awikwokawikwok

>>44238664 (me)

Got more to shill, including this balorant collab that includes our recent hot topic Harris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7KwFhVsh7o

There's also lots of freetalk happening at 8, including from Komandan
>Silvia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6WI-zyny_M
>Janu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L5a9bg2NxM

>>44238664
>Ethel
dup link with Lenaid?

>>44239668
ty for correcting my PON ass, here's da link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKAIZSn1I2E

>>44239450
part3 of shilling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_u8oDkiH6k
It's Amaya Miyu vs gombals! Who'll be triumphant here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyNPxtF5cDg
Part of AOI's newest talent are raging at Getting Over It rn, can Cassiere survive it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-SVqNAbpEA
AOV with /u/chuubas + cilla

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1RDGlaZMpPlJL
Not a stream but this space with Naya could be a thing you can listen in the background
Also did you know that she has 5k celebration book gibaway at her twitter rn?
https://twitter.com/NayaIshvara/status/1631634708797980673

>>44237353
Live

KOBO HANDCAM AAAIIIEEEE

>>44242678
It's triggering my PTSD from the hibana stream yab lmao

Haven't visited this thread for like 2 months, any exciting news / drama from id scene?

>Miti stream has 300 views (yeah)
>Someone asked why the stream is sepi
>Miti responded with "kalau 300 orang gebukin kamu, kamu mati gak?"
This is why I love Miti. Sometimes she doesn't care about comments like that, sometimes she's very snarky to it.

>>44241223
part4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XgldbX7EIs
Come to Devi before it's too late since this karaoke is unarchived!

https://youtu.be/A9ftTHV4XW4
Kawi's wallpaper ripiew continues

>Groomed Banana is joining Sons of the Forest collab with Kevin MAHA5, Groomed Loli and some probably fleshtubers like Wortelemes, MoenD and NightD
Chuuba Alia holy fuck the recline israel, I didn't expect her to be a 2view at all https://youtu.be/RpmyTBt6Vnc
Not-so-a-chuuba BeaconCream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SVMd2JIU5c

>>44244058
>>44105981
>>44119479
Just look at some facebook group if you want to know more about drama from id scene

Ges, WTF Mine's doing rn?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=351dF0WyybM

>>44244497
So they still have a hateboner towards Airi, huh?

>>44244497
heh same lgtv bullshit as outside, i prefer a good news desu.

is /warkop/ futsal team going strong? i hope so

>>44244910
,>futsal
Check the schedule: >>44237568

>>44224232
How is acceptance of lgbtshits in the big city?

>>44245744
we don't normalize mental illness here. We only tolerate them as long as they don't stir some shits.

>>44244695
>900+ viewers
Is that her normal numbers?

>>44245807
Good. How is the possiblity our institutions being subverted in the big cities in Indonesia? Is there any organizations promoting lgbtshits unchallanged in universities?

>>44246079
there must be some small subset of communities out there. There are an increasing number of unironic leftists, SJW, trannies, and other degenerate trying to slowly corrupt the culture and normalize their degenerate shits. But as long as traditional culture and religion takes the upmost priority in Indonesian's life, they won't get any traction.

>>44246079
https://news.detik.com/berita/d-6246842/penjelasan-unhas-soal-mahasiswa-gender-netral-diusir-dari-ospek

>>44246044
I don't think so, that's why I'm shocked to see that stream at times even reaching 4view territory

>>44246079
>Unchallenged
Kek Komunitas Pelangi has never even occupied important position in all PTNs (in my collage it was always HMI vs PKS' underbow back in the day) nor they have any influence on public discourse there. Damn, even literal commie associations has more power over there kek

>>44247013
But, local left-leaning organizations are usually sympathetic toward LGBTQ+ rights. So...

>>44246044
Nope. Her viewership was around 100-200 iirc.

>>44245744
Indonesians can be surprisingly tolerant of transgender people. Example would be Dorce and Lucinta Luna. The only caveat is, they don't try to change the status quo. They really acted as if they are women since they are born.

>>44249091
>spoiler
The thing is Almarhum Dorce was buried as a man according to the Sharia. LGBTQ+ groups (local and abroad) are angry about it.

I love this girl for real

>>44249777
The fuck is that supposed to be. Thought it was burned tempe from the thumbnail

>>44249996
it's cookies!

If you know anything about baking, you could probably find a few mistakes here.

>>44248505
As much as they sympathetic with LGBTVHD+, their movement also fiiled with religionfags so they never give them their full support unless the status quo changes in the future
>>44249232
>Angry
And no one cares about that kek

Indos up.

>>44251161
>unless the status quo changes in the future
hopefully not, those fags ruins everything if you give them recognition

>>44253290
Up, still on divegrass mood atm

>>44253290
Indos down.

>>44250537
>That much thickness
>Few
That mistake alone already change the food itself kek I will still eat it nonetheless
>>44253323
Agree. At least major stakeholders here still have some sort of code of ethics and honor so they will always have, normatively at very least, a bottom line for anything while I can't say I see that with those faggots

Sundul.

>>44263793
With BFE gettting more prominent than GFE in ID, we need a husbando ver of this kek

>>44253323
I 'tolerate' LGB but not T
Because what T doing in western countries is plain horror. Why can't T people in those places be more like ladyboys in Thailand? The other day i saw a short of a ladyboy said. "I'm not a lady, I'm ladyboy, i have 'that' you know" (although he has a fake breasts, it's clear to me that he's not a mere crossdresser). Meanwhile in western countries, they're trying to erase women or the reality of sex/kodrat in general and invading women-only spaces. I hate the word "transpuan", it implies that a trans'woman' is more similar to a biological female than a biological male and trans'man'. Even in traditional Bugis examples, etymology-wise, a trans'man' is implied to be more similar to a trans'woman'. The problem with Indonesian leftists (and feminists) is they're too western-centric and are more likely to emulate the problematic/toxic part of western progressive movement.
In our vtubing scene there are western-centric vtubers like airi Cordelia and Rizky salminen. I dislike both of them.
>those fags ruins everything if you give them recognition
Even as someone who's somewhat 'leftist', i ironically agree with this. I've seen enough of their borok from this Hogwarts Legacy arc.

>>44250537
Looks like fried chickens

>>44264325
i always respect bencong who ngamen in warkop or working in hair salon, they're doing earnest work and not disturbing other people, not the "e-bencong" who put pronouns and shit flag on their twitter, they scream their idealism everyday

>>44267992
true, im afraid those e-bencongs will overshadowed the bencongs

Y'all forgot we got gema, a frinkin shape shifting gender chubba without any lgbt gimmick. She even play that wizard game

>>44272398 (me)
And then there's also Julie, that one who well known as man behind the scene, she's basically dorce of id vtuber and that guy still doing well until today without ever pushing woke shit afaik

>>44272398
What's more mindblowing is Gema's hair color is a Trans pride flag color. I can't tell whether if Gema is playing things right by not being as boasty or aggressive as those western snowflakes kind of T, or just... Genuinely plain coincidence. Somehow i still think it's the latter.

And AFAIK Gema is the type of fujo who might self-insert as a male in male x male fantasies instead of building a reverse-harem, pretty expected for how Gema used to write BL novel, and looking at that model's design, that's ... Positively Misunderstood? Puzzling in a good way?

Uhhhh, pagi /warkop/...

>>44264275
Who's the most "BFE" VTubers in Indonesia? I'm thinking of Harris, Andi, and Reza (is he?). Anyone else?

Wake up, Gaby is playing violin rn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSOJQdEkrCk

>>44267992
Apart from conservative regions, trans are actually pretty much accepted in Indonesia. It's those westoid activists who makes the lives of those poor indo transpuan becoming more miserable because they lumped T together with LGB, which are less accepted here, especially the gay one.
The internet doesn't help either, it gives the underage with undeveloped brain an access to the internet and they help spreading the anti LGBT agenda that was being thought by their religious teacher, and because their brains haven't developed yet (the brain finished development around early 20s) they just absorb all of it like a sponge.
It's the same thing with those westoid activists, just on the different spectrum.

>>44264275
"Bojo" goes both ways.

Naik

>>44279377
Turun.

>>44277503
Based rahayubro

Deidey when she's riding my dick:
>>44279377
>>44281349

>>44275469
pagi!!
it's not 12PM yet it's still morning

>>44277319
anti LGBT should be normalized. We're on the track of population collapse and those kind of degenerate behavior has no place in this country right now.

>>44264325
>Meanwhile in western countries, they're trying to erase women or the reality of sex/kodrat in general and invading women-only spaces
That's essentially what JK Rowling thinks and she's as feminist as you can get: a transgender woman will never be a woman. Hence, Westerners label her as evil, even though she's a leftist.

Pagi warkop!

>>44298176
EU bro?!

>>44298176
Siang

>>44298159
were getting a bit of topic but it should be noted from what i understand, british women are often terfs because some uk laws use what the definition of a women is to determine who gets benefits.
trans women challenge the definition of women so they get pissy at the idea theyll lose their special bonuses because people can change teams

>>44302034
>were getting a bit of topic
Ah right, so some chuuba news we missed, we got 3new predebuts from smol corpo again yesterday
https://twitter.com/vilitera/status/1631595276900380672

>>44295565
Have you ever tried to read or watch lgbt porn?
One of my friends used to be the most anti gay person among my circle, until one day he watched that Bohemian Rhapsody movie, where there's a gay scene, and he got hard.
He was in an existential crises until he got told by me and my friends that it's actually okay, that he could still live a normal life. Thankfully he's only a bi and he lives a totally normal life now, no one would ever expect that he's not normal.
Be careful of hating something too much, especially if you've never experience it. I found a few cases around me that the more someone hating something, the more they like that very thing later in their life.

Just don't have any attachment in life. Hatred is also a kind of attachment.

>>44303101
shut up Sidharta Gautama

>>44303101
The way you typed those words is kinda similar to someone, is that you cupang?

>>44303101
no

>>44303101
If i ever find out i am gay, i'll just go celibate for life

>>44303101
you don't need to experience something to make a judgment about it

Nice /pol/ thread

>>44303101
>Have you ever tried to read or watch lgbt porn?
That's your first mistake. You're supposed to keep your eyes from seeing anything that's damaging to your soul. That's why those VTubers are being told to avoid /vt/ like a plague if they can.

I'll be told that I'm a bigot if I believe that there are only males and females and you can't deny it like you can't deny death. I believe that being male or female is something you can't escape for the rest of your life. I also believe that at the end of the day, it's weird to act feminine if you're a male and to act masculine if you're a female. Being masculine and being feminine are tied to your biological sex, not just a 100% social construct. I also believe that males are inherently at advantage compared to females. I'll be at disadvantage in the Western world if I held the beliefs like that, just like LGBTQ+ people are at disadvantage in Indonesia if they held whatever belief they held.

You're right that hating too much isn't good, but that's just about the intensity. Once you believe in something, it's okay to hate something. That's why that Cupang Hibrida will block anyone who's homophobic in her view.

>>44303101
this is also works for any kind of porn not just gay etc. people start liking anal, bdsm, rape, ntr from watching porn. even most people dont have idea they into straight sex before they watch porn or being told so. its not about hating something but how your mindset builds, that also why people saying lgbt is a mental illness for ages until recently and i hope people will be back thinking like that

>>44305504(me)
the scariest part about lgbt community is if they're into you they'll try anything to gaslight you until you think yourself as a gay. as someone who inside a community with a lot of gay and woke people, i can tell that because ive been in a lot of situations where i got sexually harassed by them

have you ever left your oshi because of jealousy?

>>44305504
>>44305852
Oof. I'm sorry for your unfortunate situation. I see how LGBTQ+ people are doing, be it online or in real life, and I can confirm that this is how they're gaslighting anyone outside them.
>gaslight people that their hatred of LGBTQ+ beliefs is just ignorance
>put them in a situation where they're baited and dragged into a situation where at best is a nuanced area
>when they're confused, assured them that it's okay to hold whatever perverted feeling they experienced while they're being baited
>do it continuously until they finally relent

>>44298159
>a transgender woman will never be a woman.
This is real
Things that trans'women' wouldn't be able to relate :
>The fear and complex emotion of unwanted pregnancy (especially if it's caused by rape)
>The pain and shame of having periods and giving birth
There are many more of these. Inversely, biological women don't know how it feels like to have gender-dysphoria. (although at some point i did reject feminity in my teenage years because men hurted me and I hate the weakness of being a female. But i didn't grow up with Twitter and LGBTsubculture like zoomers does, so i didn't end up gaslighted to be a trans'man' by people who 'support' me. i don't think my experience is gender dysphoria either)
This is ironic. i grew up watching and adoring Aming and listening to visual kei but my past experiences preventing me to agree with allowing penises in women toilets. I think JK Rowling is correct in this matter, i have read her essay at her website.

Speaking of visual kei, are there chuubas other than Andi who are into visual kei?
I know he likes Vamps and The Gazette but I'm into other bands such as Dir En Grey and Deluhi

>>44305852
>they'll try anything to gaslight you until you think yourself as a gay.
Kek i have a lesbian friend who's exactly like this. She's such a creep
>>44304131
I have no self-restraint
This will be my last pol post. I promise

>>44306552
>have you ever left your oshi because of jealousy?
No
I just stop being obsessed with them, no donation and membership for them! But I'm still watching them from time to time

>>44302187
fucking Xiao on the right

>>44306712
i stopped watching, membership and donating.
i feel guilty sometimes because she's a small indie with low views and income.

>>44304131
Enjoy it while it last, tomorrow night, we'll become /sp/ here kek

https://youtu.be/7zAew5VO4ZY
Not a combo you would expect for 2023 so this is gonna be interesting

>>44307238
tell me if bocil ura go wild

>>44303101
I don't hate them. What I hate is their lifestyle being normalized and they expect everyone to support their degenerate anti human bahavior. They can do whatever the fuck they want in their own private property but don't expect me to support you.

While we're on the topic of T and Indonesia, Aqua191v the Indonesian diaspora genderfluid (most likely female at birth) android living in Canada recently has been asked by their mom to try appealing to indo viewers

>>44308140
>genderfluid
those things does not exists

>>44308267
don't gendershame other people anon, you do not know how hard it is to be like him, imagine when its summer you need to keep your gender chill otherwise it got vaporize, but luckily he move to canada so it's understandable if his thing become hard from the cold

>>44308140
joke asside he's pretty good at singing, if he try to sing one or two Indonesia song i believe he can get new fans from indonesia, especially if its viral or traditional song. but he need to restain to push any woke agenda or her career gonna be over in a snap.

>>44207630
are Thais welcomed here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ2VRZo0hqY
Backreading this thread really enlightens me on Gema hehe, enjoy this stream of Hogwarts for ya

https://youtu.be/-6GosGPyNUg
Groomed loli and banana are reviewing the best grooming room rn

>>44303101
I just remember a post from VPU on Facebook with the photo of Cupang's face being censored by pixel, along with the explanation of OP's experience with LGBT people. OP said that LGBT people will always put their feelings first above others. So, you can expect this kind of person will go against anything and anyone that don't validate their feelings. It just makes sense now that transgender people on Twitter will harass anyone who plays Hogwarts Legacy, especially when they're feeling that it contributes to so-called "trans genocide."

I just hope that Cupang will not end up as a killer like Fariz Pamyu Pamyu for some reason.

https://youtu.be/dlKB0wVdc9k
Oppai loli and sendal, what could go wrong?

https://youtu.be/0UpVi3LCzzI
Cassie checking PUBG PC for her first time, can she git gud there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ufJLwEROlM
Also found this cover that premiered just now

>>44313320
>exile tribe enjoyer
BASED

>>44313320
>Oppai Loli and Sendal stream link is wrong

>>44313435
Curse you YT ads!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7jBUQ1PUGo
Fixed link above, now go there!

>>44313506
How the hell you got such ads?

>>44310593
I lowkey feel we should broaden warkop into SEAVT general. VRchama's statistics page already included most of SEA, but idk about the opinion of the other usual warkop starters about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJr-OI7fXJ0
Zoey Karaoke @ 11 PM JST

>>44314051
we've got SEA thread a long time ago, and it didn't last very long. rarely reach bump limit and has limited discussion. other than talking about drama and shilling small vtubers, the thread is mostly a barren wasteland just like /warkop/!. if the /sea/ thread got brought up again, it will get overwhelmed by ID shills and discussion anyway.

>>44314051
I'm one of the OPs for /svt/ back in 2021-22 and while I'm support the expansion, it's just that imo most non-ID SEAanons just aren't as INDOPRIDE as we are about local chuubas /here/ like look at flips on the catalog begging for holoPH while not supporting their current local ecosystem unlike how we supported Maya Putri enough to convince both Niji and holo to invest in ID, also a lot of SEAchuubas that aren't ID are already discussed on /corpo/ especially VReverie(SG) and MyHolo(MY)

>>44314051
ID easily has the biggest vtuber community in SEA. Other region doesn't really matter all that much.

>>44315362
>INDOPRIDE
We have HoloID, and used to have NijiID.

>>44315362
Wasn't most /svt/ anon are pinoy? Because iirc /svt/ dead not long after Lyrica graduate

>>44315518
It's not limited to them tho, back when holoniji wars were fierce in ID, at times there's threads about Miti (albeit it was in negative purpose) or Chloe, I think having them /here/ like our Simpthias are what helped /warkop/ to endure this long with diverse topics from corpos to indies

>>44315849
/svt/ was mostly Maphilindos from what I can remember

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orNIpJ4KXwY
>Karaoke
>Unarchived
that means you need to hop in now

Also I wanna say to Cae, if you're still /here/, imo your cover rocks!
https://youtu.be/pcV3Os4gx_A

>>44314977
Unarchive karaoke LIVE

>>44316339
>Simpthias
You meant Simpthia. Well, if you include me and Aleph, that's two of us. I do miss curating ID VTubing news, but I'm just busier with my life now.

>>44314977
>>44317790
>free memberships
GET IN

>>44314051
It has been done, it's never work. Just like how the idea of holoSEA is dumb, a SEA general is also dumb because of no clear market because the discussion will only limited to EN speaking SEAchuubas and most of the biggest one are probably already got talked in other general.

>>44319543
>Just like how the idea of holoSEA is dumb
I don't think it'd work for holo but I started to think maybe a NijiSEA could be promising, they already have a basis in MY,PH, TH + here, they just have to find the right gang from each sub-nation and maybe, just maybe it'll work

>>44319827
No, it's dumb because of language. If they speak EN then just accept them into EN branch like what they already did. If they speak their native language then how can they collabs. It's also harder to build proper local support like holoID with SB and Tokopedia.

>>44314004
thought?

So happy hearing my treerat wife singing on stream again...

>>44320257
As expected from si paling bisbol nation on earth, it's not that different to why niji's peak event of the year is nijikoshien which is also baseball

>>44320566
This is why we need ID sportschuuba that are interesting.

>>44320257
is that her usual number or pure baseball tourists?

>>44321817
This, gib us Sakurako with kearifan lokal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKhM3_X7FSM
Late night ASMR time with Devi, perfect if you wanna sleb

>>44321817
What kind of sport should local sportschuuba cover? Basketball, futsal, and volleyball are still niche among normies. Badminton is okay, I guess. Divegrass? Depends if you're demoralized from the Kanjuruhan tragedy badly or not.

>>44264325
>I 'tolerate' LGB but not T
Hot Take: Finding a sane and a normal acting Faggot and Dyke is much MUCH easier than finding a sane and normal acting Tranny.

Oceane torrent >>44323907

>>44323857
Football, Badminton, and MotoGP are the 3 massive sports in Indonesia. You can also play Fifa / E-football.

Other than that there are some other nice niche that they can target. Basketball and Volleyball has a relatively small following but it's good for targeting young city kids. I think Basketball also has some College league, perfect for the demographic. F1 also has some decent size fans if you're targeting more older (and hopefully richer and smarter) demographic.

>Kanjuruhan
Only those Malang's monkeys still bringing that up to this day because they want to get free money from the goverment. I bet my balls most of them who still making a convoi every week making the traffic in Malang every weekend unbearable are not even related to the victim.

>>44324288
>Hot take
Nah that's a common sense

>>44325488
its not just common sense, its the whole premise of being trans.
being gay is a natural preference thing but outside of society shaming them, theyll more often then not be as functional as any non-gay under similar life circumstances.
being trans is a 24/7 identity crisis.

https://www.twitch.tv/xsmilia

>>44323857
If you want to do divegrass, start it from what everyone knows: Premier League, UCL-UEL-UECL, and maybe some Euro NT divegrass, if you want to be more niche, F1 and Basketball (mainly NBA but some would also follow timnas updates and IBL) has the most solid community from my viewings

>>44327586
None of them are natural actually let's be honest about it but at least LGBs as a group is not obnoxious as troons are when they united. As per individual, it varies from person to person

>>44331379
Some of them are after joining non biner shit

>>44317985
Here's hoping you can still hop in sharing /news/ to us, you gib us discussion content better than me as OP on both /svt/ and /nijiID/, Aleph too, like I talked to someone who claimed to know him by name and said that he has potential to be the next Valrius. bcuz he knows his shit about deeper parts of IDchuuba iceberg

PAGE 10 BUMP

>>44320257
tf?

>>44275469
paguy

>>44341157
What?

>>44341157
Pagi?

>>44229308
Gonna start soon... I hope she's not sick bcs last night she felt like she gonna have fever

yoo

>>44341157
paguy anon!

>>44334564
I'm still surprised he made that Astra/Sylva video. No one else covered it (other than Pasha Lovarian maybe?)
Although he's nowhere to be found now. He privated his Twitter and I swear some video in his channel is now gone.

fasto boardo

https://twitter.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1631958847962382338?t=m-xdVR-2TlI73fAG0MC5dg&s=19

>>44323857
Badminton is widely talked, so it's a good chance if you want to attract some crowds. For divegrass, stay away from local league and just cover Premier or Serie A, maybe AFC when Timnas is playing

>>44324529
>Kanjuruhan
Honestly, I'm kinda disappointed with how they handled the case. No real perpetrator have ever been caught, and although the convoy is kinda lost its way now and honestly kinda become nuisance to the citizen, I still believe all of the victims haven't been compensated properly. So, yeah, fuck PSSI and the Police

>>44362003
doesn't matter and doesn't care. i can guarantee that if they got more compensation the victim's family won't get most of it and some of those aremania monkeys would eat it instead. they all are the same corrupted monkey.

>>44356493
not like this awanchama, gameburik bros won

talking about football, i hear that blackpink is going to perform at GBK. is GBK really good for concert? especially for big event like holofes.
i also found it funny that retard directly attack Blackpink rather than PSSI for the match delay

>>44364881
Oh, that's right. I forgot about that too, honestly. Fuck Arema management and Aremania too, bunch of goonies groomed by Malang richest, they deserved to rot and forgotten

t.someone who used to live in Malang for half of his life

>>44366898
>holofes
isn't it way too big? also it would be outdoor too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-iyMgGd58E&ab_channel=UtadaZoeyCh.%E6%AD%8C%E7%94%B0%E3%81%9E%E3%81%8A%E3%81%84
Your wife is doing ASMR now

>>44366898
>spoiler
That's not PSSI territory, that's PT LIB, which from what I've heard will be replaced starting next season

>>44351601
Maybe he silently graduated? I haven't seen his shillings here too, even tho divegrass season's upon us

>>44371814
Yeah mine

>>44371814
>Your wife is doing ASMR now
Thanks for telling me.

>>44378565
You're late, anon.
She's singing her ending song right now.

What even is this apology? This is one of the worst VTuber apology I have ever seen, because it doesn't even attempt to apologize, it's all full of excuses:
https://twitter.com/keanaalya/status/1632132616613945344

10 bump

>>44378651
Spoonfeed us on wtf happened here? Me don't get it

>>44368149
Ahh bummer you're not longer in Ngalam, speaking of Ngalam, Kambeng visited their local event just now, seems like it's a well organized one for her https://twitter.com/aliaadelia_v/status/1632278098602508294
https://twitter.com/justfily/status/1632267184511811584

>>44320382
She did?

>>44524529

I remember this guy often held a MotoGP/F1 Watchalong Stream, but his viewers are kinda low tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJwtdz_Txp8

>>44324529

I remember this guy often held a MotoGP/F1 Watchalong Stream, but his viewers are kinda low tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJwtdz_Txp8

(repost, I'm dumb)

>>44381999
How did you even mess that up

>>44371814

>>44382518

So... When some local rich simps throw the money on an advertisement billboard like this? I know there were some ads in the public before. But, imagine you're driving then stuck in a traffic jam in Jakarta or just arrived in Tangerang from Soekarno-Hatta airport and you see a big anime girl advertisement.

https://twitter.com/MisterYura/status/1631871296526069760

https://www.twitch.tv/kazukazu95_ical

malding stream lmao

>>44382518
>>44382554
I miss her bros....

>>44383165
me too

Indos up.

>>44382831
You can do crowdfunding like what they did for Ina's birthday.
Finana tried to do it too but I heard it was cancelled.
https://nawalakarsa.id/pop-kultur/virtual-youtuber/rayakan-ultah-ninomae-inanis-fans-ini-rela-sewa-billboard-times-square/

>>44382831
Afaik most IDs would rather spend on electronic ads than physical like those, not to mention the aftermath of zoombie vandalism which just further confirmed their fears about physical billboards

>>44384543
Bro, how do you vandalize those big ass billboards on the street?

Some update from from kikebook

>>44381765
Ooh, this was in UMM right? Because I knew for sure the UB one is called Isshoni Tanoshimimasho, and those two events has been around for a while, kinda like our local equivalent of GJUI.

Man, it's been a while since I saw local campus weeb event, and the fact that it's still happening after all of these years make my heart warms a little bit. I hope these kinds of events can be a way to bring our local chuubas closer to us, and in turn can elevate them to higher stages

>>44384911
Woah is this the power of autism... Jokes aside, dang it really did backfire on her in the end huh. Should've just kept her mouth shut from the beginning

>>44384911
Are they gonna do something after this? Also I'm afraid AKA is out of from the big3 race if these kikebookers can sway commoners opinions on them, if they have a successful mantra like how nijisepi spam killed NijiID, then AKA are pretty much screwed

6 BONGS (hours) BEFORE THE FIRST MATCH OF PERSE/WARKOP/

/warkop/ vs /wvt/
>Monday, 6 March 2023, 00:00 WIB
at https://isthisliv.com/4cc/stream.html

>>44384543
Yep, electronic billboards ads, like Jura's fans in here (2021) :

https://twitter.com/CompanyAzura/status/1417469008987578379

>>44384833
Big billboard like that, maybe no. But a big canvas display in MRT Senayan like what HoloID2 had? someone put a fkin QR code sticker that leads to the "10 Big Sins" page/post

>>44386652
this is actually good.chuds are exoposing themselves by doing retarded shit.

>>44384911

>>44386077
>facebook groups have more influence on the local VTuber community than /warkop/

>>44387829
I mean you can easily compare the number of poster here and facebook it's like 1:50

>>44387829
/warkop/ can't giring opini normies

>>44384911
>Supporting lgtv+ in Indo
Do they even know where they live? Where majority indo hates lgtv+ due to western lgbt being retarded and religion?

>>44387829
Why influence the community when you can control the VTuber themselves? Of course the Facebookfags can rally a lot of people, but it's not as if we want people coming in droves to /warkop/ in the first place.

And, Airi has always been a progressive VTuber ever since her debut. Rallying against her is dumb. It makes filtering her audience easier for her. I don't think growth and reputation is all that mattered to Airi. Kinda funny that Facebook only found this recently, though I guess the luxury of watching a VTuber early is that you get to know more.

>>44382831
some rich zomrades has done ads on videotron for ollie BD, it was in jogja i believe.

>>44387829
well /warkop/ is just a gossip thread. meanwhile, kikebook is preparing a war with lgbt community for some reason. i heard all of kikebook trolls, fans even haters of kobo will group up to defend kobo if she get attacked from lgbt community when playing nerd wizard game. i guess they finally find a common enemy this kime KEK

Mukbang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydJmmn-hWPI

>>44390583
he got a big discount iirc

>>44382831
too bad kobo can't get deep enough into normie territories. imagine if she got a crazy rich fan who is both crazy and rich enough to buy ads in taman anggrek mediatron, that gonna be the absolute flex in vtuber community

>>44394059
Atleast she got this, better flex IMO
https://youtu.be/P5AMnyUcSCU

>>44394059
I still have a question, is it legal? Like, would Cover be okay with someone running ads of their talents without their permissions? I guess if it's something like "Watch Kobo Kanaeru!" it would be fine.

>>44394059
That's a really cool flex but i think it's better to just send donation / buy merch / gift membership.

>>44394059
>https://blinkzap.com/product/detail/9e2c2270-331c-11ec-9534-67e4d9a1739b
>500 million rupiah for 15 seconds ad
bruh you could fund a full free 3d nine members concert with that amount of money

>>44394248
i think that's okay? i mean there was that Ina Times Square ad, also there are some bus ads in Hongkong

>>44394530
There are some videotron ads along Sudirman that much cheaper for sure, or MRT ads like HoloID did back then

>>44392341
https://youtu.be/CNHO1l4HITE
IT'S HABBENING!
Will this kickstart that war?

>>44394569
wasn't the times square ad about $5000? People have donated that to Ollie before, one-shot.

>>44394248
It's okay as long as they make it clear that it's a fan thing and not organized by Cover itself

>>44395315
No, because I think it's the Facebookfags being paranoid and warmongerish. Kobo's audience is almost exclusively Indonesians, no one will bother her. Even if someone did, you could just ignore them.

>>44392341
>for some reason
Indochama?
You know that's indonesian is one of if not THE most homophobic countries in Asia right? especially online.
see:>>44388945

>>44389144
>you can control the VTuber themselves
>proceed to dump several of OOT Discord chat to flame drama

Also,
>but it's not as if we want people coming in droves to /warkop/ in the first place
>while there are plenty of containment-breaking posts on SLV (not so much on the VPU)

>>44388945
They are aware. The problem is they don't care. See: >>44313105
Also, see >>44387638. Her song, "Bebas", is already a red flag. But, I don't expect there's an LGBTQ+ VTuber that pander to the local, because I thought it was usually just an Indonesian ENVTuber who usually just streams on Twitch.

>>44396627
>Her song, "Bebas", is already a red flag
red flag in what way?

>>44384543
lmao did you never heard ollie birthday billboard ? its already 2 times anon

>>44394248
cover already make new rule for that go check their community guidline

>>44396719
That she values freedom for herself and herself only. So, she thinks that her feeling is the truth and she expects people to think the same.

>>44396773
Are they something like >>44384833
or vidiotrons like >>44386652 ?

>>44397835
videotron

>>44394530
Do you know how much the cost for that ad that Kronii and Ina get? The one in New York i think.

>>44395418
She still has a decent amount of female mans, a lot.of them are from that crowd including some bluefaggot fans (not to mention the bluefaggot himself).

>>44398867
Around 5k usd or 75 million in rupiah for one time ad. the size matter I guess

https://twitter.com/VRchama/status/1632354025260855297
But VRchama, do subs count really matter if they can't convert it into decent stream viewerbase?

HUMBALA HUMBALA HUMBALA.

Ooooooo 4chan God, i pray to Thee. Let us win our first VTL4 match.

HUMBALA HUMBALA HUMBALA, AMEN.

>>44384911
no wonder i saw some angry mobs on twitter, so this was the reason

>>44401008
What's the point of ccv? No seriously, unless you can pull big numbers like Kobo, CCV means nothing. There are not much of a difference between 2 views and 3 views if we're only talking about pure adsense.

The main way for you to get money is from donations and sponsorship. High subs means more exposure, which means higher chance for a sultan or some brands to know you. It's much easier to propose a sponsorship to your boss if that person has a higher subs.

Short also relatively mich easier to make, so it's not like you're wasting time. Maybe he can't convert it now to regular viewer, but if he manages to hit a certain niche (and willingly pander to them) he can be big very fast.

I think /#/ (and /warkop/ too of course) understimated the importance of exposure heavily. The main reason why Kobo explode in the fiest place was because of her crazy exposure. Her hashtag literally passed Gura's total views on tiktok in like 6 months or something. Everywhere you go there's a chance that you'll find Kobo. It's not just Windah.

Oh, and also i'm not vrchama btw just to clarify.

>>44401582 (me)
To give some example, you just need 1 sultan out of those thousands of shorts viewer and it will be more worth it than gaining 100 viewers for example. Maybe the math is wrong, you can balance the math, i'm too lazy to do it, but you got the point.

>>44397640
Okay, how did you even think of those while listening to Bebas? I heard it and it feels like a song of hope and dreams. That Airi wanted to reach her dreams being tied by anyone else. Hence, Bebas. Is it wrong to yearn for freedom? If anything, this is a pretty common theme for a VTuber song.

Don't get me started with that "she thinks her feeling is the truth". You are exaggerating things here.

>>44384911
nooooooo, i don't want anything bad happen to fure
fuck cupang if somehow fure got dragged with this hate mob

It's our time Indochads!!

Enough with all of these drama shit. Have my oshi's tits. Have a good night, /warkop

NOOOOOO MIXUEEE
FUCK YOU ABI

>>44401582
>>44401008
>>44401735
>What's the point of subs and CCV
Horseracing ofc what else? It's not like numberfags process those data into something meaningful and productive aside from numberfagging
>But donation and sponsorship
Don't worry they also love to numberfags donation too but too bad we can't calculate how much ID chuubas earn from donos as easy as how it's for EN and JP since our gachi tend to send their money via SB and trakteer which makes it hard to track them adequately

To be honest, I feel something suspicious about all these Cupang discourse. Either /warkop/ is starved of drama or we have intruders. Whatever is happening, let's just hope nothing bad happens to everyone. Or I'm going to spam my dozens of ID VTuber lewd images to personnally kill /warkop/.

>>44401979
>Indochads
not posting ade rai pic

>kupeng

>>44402408
Try me

>>44402734
It's about divegrass anon, bu here your ade rai if you're really that horny

>>44402005
I hate this line

>>44401735
Remind me of Zoey with all those her paypig while she only has about 2k subs Even tho she comes from an agency that already has made a name for herself
Btw, did anyone make a comparison between her and some other indies or small corpo?

>>44395418
Just checked her tweet and people are mass replying with loading-guns or ready-for-war gifs, some replies indonesian use the word "transformer" as a slang for troon and many are saying in Indonesian to send the LGBT/"transformer" to Azkaban.

>>44403136
She works really hard, streams 6 days per week.
Managed to get monetized and open membership in less than a month (Feb has only 28 days).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gY42r5xbj8

We won!!

>>44402408
lewds. now.

good game!

>2-0
Way to go!

Off to a good start!
>>44402899

>>44403575
Haram
Calling jannies rn

>>44403381
GGWP!

>>44403831
This is actually the only art that gets me banned in /warkop/. Not even an uncensored Miti piss art got me banned.

>>44403575
>>44403943
I remember this art posted here (/vt/) months ago.

>>44403575
>Attract tribal fags
It attracts me and I'm not them. What does this mean?

>>44403167
Reading the replies was so much fun kek.

>>44401582
Hmm that's true, I remember Derem was angry last month because anyc were expecting new subs from exIDs but it never came

>>44401582
I remember watching a clip of mkbhd where he revealed that most brands doesn't even understand all those data that much. Like, some of are just looking at high views or even high subs to decide who they want to put their ads. The fact that he's a techtuber is even crazier considering you would expect companies that are interested in him to know about this fancy data stuff instead of just looking at subs count.

Ma

>>44401900
>Is it wrong to yearn for freedom?
Not if you're starting to intentionally run into restrictions in society to reach your dream, thus pissing them off.

>Don't get me started with that "she thinks her feeling is the truth". You are exaggerating things here.
I don't. Humans are believing machines and you need something to be held as the truth.
>she thinks she can do whatever she wants to do
>she thinks her feelings are the most important one, hence she thinks she can identify with whatever she feels
https://www.tiktok.com/@dennis.fang/video/7169367944206585090

>>44403167
>transformer
kek

>>44384911
Damn that's wild.. Glad that they haven't found any pride tweets from NijiID members yet...

>>44407047
>the upper management aren't even understand the numbers
They're just like me fr fr

>>44409548
Well, atleast for old company. Startup understand how important stuff like engagement is than just pure numbers.

>>44408435
thank you for giving them idea

>>44410983
oof

>>44395418
Blame those trannies reactions on Twitter who thinks that playing the funny wizard game is the same as supporting trannies being killed. Shark does smell the blood, after all.

Last sundul

>>44410983
Bad publicity is still a publicity or so they said

>>44415792
Here's how AKA can still replace niji at big3

>>44417475
>Big 3
AKA is not the only contender for the 3rd place but it's already been vacant since long time ago imo

>44402408
There's nothing wrong with hating cupang, this is her second biggest hypocrisy and it's 100% understandable if some anon finally getting enough of her and want to see how far she can fall. This is not save place for her either, just because she's known to be /here/ doesn't mean she got green pass here. if you that clueless about what happening outside 4ch and feel special for her, I feel bad to tell you but she's also following most kikebook drama group as well even as far as defending herself from her own action there, I bet she's also have sub accounts inside discord drama server such as PH just like bulan. At this point i don't understand why you still trying hard to defending her here, just like you either her discord mod or you actually airi herself.
>hope nothing bad happen
Me personally already think her as irrelevant bitch since hybrid drama, I don't think she will go as far as graduate but I really really hope she's finally learn her lesson that she can't do whatever fuck she's want without facing consequences. so I highly encourage you to just sit and enjoy this shit show, unless you actually cupang herself so I guess it make sense I hate how /warkop/ looks for a past few thread.

>>44401582
I think most of the corpos (especially the big ones) will think about numbers. Of course, there are more than just CCV numbers, like the audience demographic, superchat income, etc. Even if it's not the number one factor, it's still needed in the conversation about VTuber's growth. Talking about numbers in the entertainment industry isn't a pleasant one, but someone needs to do it.
No, I won't be convinced otherwise after Yugo from NijiEN conversation about the numbers with her manager got leaked

I miss the match, im glad we win. especially how shit I feel after knowing talon lose to liquid my Monday gonna be okay I guess

>>44419382
I don't know, anon. I'm just tired of it. Perhaps I do want to drown everyone in these mess, including Cupang herself. Because you are right, her mingling in Facebook is just idiotic. Well, I don't have much to expect from someone as young as her. But, at this point, it's pointless to point fingers on who's right and who's not. Everyone's guilty of associating themselves with senseless drama.

As the OP, I just want a "peaceful" /warkop/, that's all.

>>44419382
When you see who she befriended, you can see a pattern there.

>>44419382
>her second biggest hypocrisy
what's her biggest one?

>>44427641
about vtubers that revealed their face

Deisex.