/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>44132000
No, men deserve being loved

no. expecting a girl pretending to be anime to give you the love and comfort of a real human is normal

The people who get into GFE are already lonely and menhera so it is in fact one step up.
t. one of them

GFE is very good for your health

>>44132000
I just want a woman to say nice things to me without putting in the effort of finding a gf. Is that too much to ask?

>>44132000
Being alive as a man is bad for your mental health

>>44132000
checked and schwayed. it's not bad if it gives you comfort when necessary.

>>44132000
As long as everyone knows whats going on I think it might be beneficial. Even a artificial connection is probably better than nothing

>>44132000
Actually yes

>>44132000
probably but that won't stop me from listening to her ASMR streams every night

>>44132000
it's mostly just coping and enabling poor mental health. men aren't incel because of GFE, but it makes them not want to improve themselves

No. The guys into GFE seem to be way happier than I am.

>>44132133
I disagree, men should be miserable and be slaves to women. GFE is bad, BFE is good.

if youre at the point where you need to watch GFE ASMR stream to fall sleep i dont theres much hope for their mental health, let them enjoy themselves at least

>>44132000
In a way yes, because it gives you a purpose to work towards if you have nothing. You work for your cute wife and you improve yourself for her. It feels nice to feel loved and you get to make her happy which feels even better. On the flip side gfe is bad because the love isnt real and you only delude yourself, once you catch feelings you can quickly become obsessed and the fact she'll never actually be your gf may lead to depression and might become a hindrance on your ability to move forward in life

>>44133415
post tits
>>44133307
why should we improve ourselves for some post wall roastie who went through her youth riding the cock carousel?

>>44133579
because then you wouldn't be the kind of person who says shit like this

>>44133579
Nene isnt even close to the wall, is quite hot and definitely didnt ride cocks(not a virgin either tho). Her whole appeal is the cute girl next door

>>44132000
If it makes you feel less lonely it's probably good for you.

>>44132372
...yes?

>>44133307
Litteraly the opposite for me. I've gone ot the gym 5 days a week for a year and a half now thanks to fauna. Best physical and mental health of my life

>>44132000
yes its like junk food. you get a moment of joy but in the longterm you remain malnourished.

>>44133664
>no argument

>>44132000
Watch a single stream of hers or any of her asmr's and tell me your not happy, if thats what gfe is then its definitely a good thing

>>44132000
No, i love it

>>44133769
exactly, and i dont even need to budge unlike the modern roasty

>>44132000
If you are dependant on it for happiness, yes. It'll only push you down the depression spiral faster.

>>44132000
No.

>>44132000
GFE makes me question if everything they say is at least somewhat genuine or if they gag under their breath at the thought. or is it just for the money?

>>44135510
Saplings are either based af or are the cringiest, weirdest people you will talk to.

>>44135510
>fauna
>gfe
Anon...

>>44132000
if you take is as far as a lot of /vt/ does yeah. getting too emotionally invested is as bad as getting too financially invested. you are staking part of yourself on a human being with all the risks it entails no matter how much you cope about it, it should be pure escapism

>>44136685
Of course it's for money. Hostess bars work the same way, they provide a service urgently needed in a lot of men.
Whether it's of value to you however, is your own decision.

>>44136695
Fauna is 100% GFE

>>44132000
bad for my wallet

>>44132000
Watching streams can be bad for your productivity which can inadvertantly be bad for your health so yes.

>>44136957
She is GFE for cucks

I don't give a fuck, my mental health is already shot

>>44132000
Is Nene actually enjoy doing GFE or is she only in for the lonely men's bucks?

>>44137424
>or is she only in for the lonely men's bucks?
That's always the main reason but some women do seem to enjoy it on some level, I think nene is one of them.

Best GFE is incidental GFE. The sort where the streamer is as attached to chat as chat is to them.

>>44137424
She loves her job and without the gfe she'd be fine, so to me i think she likes doing gfe. Shes just a very loving person

>>44132000
I'd like to believe that it isn't, but GFE enjoyers definitely do not act like sane individuals. I'm not sure that mentally stable people would watch that sort of thing in the first place.

>>44136685
Depends on how menhera they are. Of course many of them are performing for the money but to they ALL of them are being disingenuous it's a very cynical take.
At the end of the day many of the chuubas had mental issues before and this kind of absolute inconditional support, a group of people to talk daily, economic support, fandom-backed career success, and so on... on people that lives most of their lifes online can absolutely hook them to their audience.
Parasocial relations go both ways.

>>44132000
GFE is like medicine. In controlled amounts it can improve your life; it might even save it.
But if you shovel that shit down your gullet like a whore guzzling semen it's going to ruin your life.

Gloves are so faggy

>>44132000
In moderation, I'd think it can be good for you. Sometimes, you get the motivation to better yourself from the GFE. Of course, too much of anything is bad for you and GFE is definitely something people stake too much of their lives on.

>>44132000
Yes, of course it is. But not even having something that simulates romantic intimacy is probably worse.

yes but i still love nene

>>44132525
>checked and schwayed
lmao nerd suck a DICK fag

>>44132000
everything is bad if you are addicted to it
> Worship that excessively is not healthy - Patrick Star

doubtful
I'd guess at it's worse, it's neutral

>>44132000
Yes, for both parties, because it's selling you a lie. The more invested the viewer is the bigger the backlash when the realization that it's all just for show and money; either due to a tactless comment, leak or some other yab

>>44132000
Unironically yes, GFE is leeching off a notable demographic of lonely, delusional, touch-starved men through dependency
to fuel their market. There are people posting here who legitimately have some random anime woman online as either their main or only form of social interaction and positive affirmation and it's devastating.
Lord knows it'll take a miracle for any of us to get actual girlfriends but the least you could do is find proper fulfilling connections like family/friends/etc

>>44132000
Depends, I would lean towards no but GFE can be bad for you if you fall for the wrong kind of girl that decides to live a double life and cheat on you
Generally, this doesn't happen with any vtuber above 30, so it only becomes a gamble with worse odds for you the younger she is

>>44132000
Yes. I'm currently trying to recover from it. Watching a streamer isn't a good replacement for a loving, caring relationship. In fact I think it's worse than not being in a relationship because you have to live with the idea of sharing a woman with hundreds of other men.

>>44144668
Seriously this shit is so damaging for guys in the long run and they dont see it, living in the delusion feels good for awhile but once something snaps you out of it you'll hate both the girl and yourself for a long time. Artificial love may as well be drug, sad to see how many guys are so starved for affection they turn to gfe to cope with life. It shouldn't be like this

>>44132000
Depends on the bitch doing it.
If they later get found out with a boyfriend, then yeah its bad.

>>44132000
Yes, but if you are enticed by it you're already ill so it doesn't really matter anymore.

>>44136685
They do it for the money obviously, but you can cope by telling yourself that they enjoy doing so because it brings a bit more love and joy to the world. That's what I do anyways.

>>44146677
This.

GFE is only okay if the kayfabe is never broken. Unfortunately, most western women don't understand this. Fuck you, Koopa.

I find it funny that it's always this topic that brings out the worst posters on here, the ones who believe everything has to be cynical, cold and calculated.
Sometimes I wonder whether catalog posters actually like Vtubers or are they just here to gossip and complain

I left a GFE chuba for another GFE chuba.
Fuck My Life

>>44146423
I think it's worse to be alone and devoid of any affection at all. You can very easily fall into this black hole of self loathing and despair when you have no emotional support. I used to be much more depressed and cynical until I got into GFE vtubers. Nene's ASMR is so powerful. It makes me happy and lifts all the stress of the rest of my life off my shoulders. It brings me to tears from my happiness most times. I'm absolutely mentally healthier now than I used to be. Just don't become obsessive and deranged about it. I recognize her position as well as mine, and what our relationship is. I do believe she enjoys what she does, though.

No, you watch GFE because you're mentally unwell to begin with.

>>44132000
Yes, seek actual mental help, it's better.

>>44153600
From actual friends and family maybe.
From "professionals" not at all

>>44132133
FPBP.
I'd rather enjoy GFE as a way to help me deal with a future of cruelty and loneliness - and that's the only other option at this point.

>>44146423
in the long run we're all dead. It shouldn't be like this, but it is like this. If you can't accept reality for what it is and deal with it on its own terms, that's your own mental illness and inability to cope talking.
None of us asked for this; but its not a sign of health to be well-adjusted to a fundamentally sick society.

>>44153600
"Seek mental help" just means "Go find a shrink to drug you". That's a worse cope than GFE.

>>44144533
>Not realizing its all a lie anyway.
Why not choose the comforting lie over the cruel ones?

>>44133579
because you could meet one that's not like that.

>>44133579
no, you improve yourself for yourself.

>>44132133
fpbp

>>44132000
I was in a failing relationship when I started watching Rushia in 2019. It might sound silly but it helped me a lot at the time.

>>44133579
Because you're equally as bad for fucking up your youth as a degen loser? Just because you're a virgin doesn't mean you're a good person

>>44154443
>"Seek mental help" just means "Go find a shrink to drug you"
Seek mental help means go visit a therapist regularly because your problems don't disappear just because you vented once.

>>44155132
>fucking up his youth
how is he doing that? by getting attached to vtubers? nice projection hole

>>44155171
>Therapist
Lol. Lmao even.
So get drugged - or best case scenario, trade one comforting lie for another.
What a great deal.

>>44132000
yeah lmao, have you seen how much mental fortitude you need to only live as GFE and dying as GFE.
Most of these vtubing woman want to be recognized by something else, singing talent, comedy, etc. or having a nice time with their viewers.

if they were constantly seen as only GFE or some GFE tool wannabee of course their mental health will take a toll

>>44132000
>Is GFE bad for your mental health?

In the past you had town prostitutes where men who had no love could go to. They were cherished because they gave what men needed.

>>44155280
By being a depressed loser blaming others for their problems wasting time not improving themself or doing anything meaningful and worthwhile.

For all these losers talk about women being the worst, these incels describe themselves in the most shallow materialistic way possible

>>44132133
but thats why it is bad
being part of a virtual reverse harem isnt the kind of love you need

>>44137853
This. But these girls are too successful now to relate with

>>44155508
Tits or GTFO.

>>44155325
You do realize that depending on where you live only psychiatrists can prescribe meds right? And that not all therapists are psychiatrists?

>>44155521
And it's also the closest most of them are gonna get

>>44136686
Just like our Oshii
As all things should be

>>44135510
Literally me but different oshi. I also have an irl gf but my oshi doesn't need to know that

>>44132000
tranny deflection bread

>>44155521
Unfortunately for many it's the only love they can get. It's still better than nothing.

>>44155598
at least go for the 2views then

>>44155552
I'm aware, that's why the second part of what I said is relevant; that regardless, the best case scenario you prescribe is to pay someone to help you trade one comforting lie for another.

What a foolish way to think. You'd be better off joining a church or going to a priest, but I guess the secular solution is to throw money at the problem; as it is with all things.

>>44132000
I think it's fine depending on who you are and how often you consume GFE content. If you're a kissless virgin NEET that doesn't leave the house like me then it can be pretty dangerous. I started watching nene when I was really depressed and loved her a lot but after a few months I was feeling worse than when I started because there's no physical interaction, and I would get jealous when people would donate large amounts of money to her or not read my message. It's obviously stupid to get upset over that stuff but when you're very lonely it's easy to fall into that type of mindset.

>>44155664
>You'd be better off joining a church or going to a priest
That's trading one problem for a distraction
Going to a therapist is about you receiving perspective from someone on the outside of your mind who doesn't possess the same biases or mental blocks you do and isn't close enough to whatever situations you're in to grant you better introspection from various view points.
Having therapy done behind a paywall insures that at the very least if something goes wrong there is an entire organization and board behind them to review and make sure you're getting quality service and that it's standardized to the point it can help as many people as possible as opposed to your retard friends giving you bad advice and getting fed up with you venting to them.

If you literally think therapy is just nonsense it's because you're mind has been poisoned by /pol/

>>44155508
where did he talk about being depressed? how have you been improving yourself woman? have you been being good and taking your SSRIs? i think i will stick to watching my oshi instead.

talk to women you fucking retard

>>44155906
how many mood disorders were you diagnosed with? and how many meds do you take?

>>44132000
Yes but I love Nene

>>44155906
Secularist snake oil peddler.
I won't waste any more time replying to you; I'm sure you have a busy day ahead tomorrow full of convincing children they were born the wrong sex.

It's fine. The only ones who find a problem with it just blow up small issues into large ones, as if they were complaining alcohol should never be drunk because it gives you throat cancer. It can, but only in the worst and rare circumstances and mostly by people who abuse it, similarly enjoying GFE content is fine outside of the small group that take it too far and become emotionally dependent on only her

>>44156031
Not him but you don't have to take the pills they suggest and still get all the actual help from talking with them. Of course if you go to a therapist with the mindset of it being a scam then you won't actually get any help, I was the same way initially and I got help in the end without taking any meds.

>>44156139
even if it makes you a whore you need to diversify your GFE portfolio so any one loss is not as devastating.

>>44156243
>diversify your GFE portfolio
This. Having one GFE chuuba is just sad. If you're going to rp having a GF then why not rp having 5 of them?

>>44156226
i don't see therapy by itself as a bad thing especially if your insurance covers it. but joining a community like a church seems like advice a therapist would give anyways so i don't see how it being a "distraction" lessens the value community would have.

It depends on the viewer and the vtuber.
Personally my "gfe" is just watching girls say nice cute things on stream and give kisses and I feel happy imagining how that would feel in real life. Then I close the stream and move on.
I don't have any real attachment to them beyond my appreciation towards them for the content they produce and my respect of them as people because they all seem to be very nice girls.
Not saying I would not love to be in a relationship with them, physical or emotional, but that's not happening so I don't really think about it.
GFE to me feels like being stuck in a prison cell with a window that shows a beautiful field of flowers. I can't walk out and go take a nap there, I can't smell them. But I can look at it from my window and imagine how nice it must feel like.
And that's better than being locked in a cell without a nothing nice to look at.
I think they have a positive impact on my mental health.
I think women can be great, GFE give me great appreciation for them and a taste of what they can offer and a sense of familiarity with them I wouldn't have without them. I'm thankful to them for that.
I'm otherwise lonely and live without being loved.
I don't mind the boyfriend question, because I don't think I'm in any real relationship with them.
It's neat if the girl is single like me because it makes them more relatable and on some subconscious level the illusion that they're available makes the roleplay better.
But I don't mind if they have a relationship in their private personal life.
However if they brought it into their character that would be game over for me, it would break kayfabe completely.
I don't donate to any of the GFE I watch because I am poor tho.
All I can offer them is my gratitude.

>>44146423
Yeah real life relationships cannot be damaging in any way

>>44156390
They will tell you to join a community at least if you tell them you don't actually do much. But outside of suggesting stuff like that they can help with personal problems that joining a community won't fix.That's why I think he said it's a distraction.

>>44146423
it's not that bad and it usually doesn't end up like this. if you feel like you aren't into it anymore you can just leave since you don't know the girl personally. also it is nowhere near as damaging as an actual abusive relationship if at all. you don't have to pay anything and you don't have to make a commitment but making that commitment and seeing the girl grow and put out their artwork in whatever form it takes is rewarding to watch. knowing that you supported her through it whether just through watching or through whaling is the draw in my opinion. kisses and earlicking asmr are alright but the real GFE that feels more genuine than that is making a commitment to her as a supporter and being rewarded through her work that she pours her love into. if the chuuba is any good she will pour her love into her work and that is the love that you experience and the love that feels the best. at some point she will leave but the remnants of that love remains in what she has created

>>44156563
i've never actually spoken to anyone who has been through therapy and been helped by it. do you have any examples or specifics of how they helped you?

>>44156519
For real, that's how I got into this predicament myself. Quite a few bad relationships with awful women who used me as a stepping stone.
Before GFE my remedy to the problem was alcohol and hookers. Now thanks to GFE I have my drive back for self-improvement, and have I done remarkably well for myself these last few years in everything except for love.

Anyone who talks down GFE doesn't understand it, or at very least doesn't understand men.

>>44156819
>Quite a few bad relationships with awful women who used me as a stepping stone.
Well you'd think you'd learn not to get emotionally invested in women anymore and yet here you are.

>>44156874
see >>44156243

>>44155386
Counter argument. GFE is probably the laziest content that doesnt really require that much mental fortitude.
You only need to have a good Opsec and be nice to the fans while avoiding male collabs.
Relying on other talents puts way more pressure to always outdo yourself, especially when it comes to "comedian" vtubers.
Keep in mind that most of these girls literally NEVER prepare for streams. They do this as their second job, and just "wing it" most of the time. Doing GFE is unironically easier than anything else, and you can always do all those other things as a GFE chuuba too. While it doesnt really work the other way around. If someone is a non GFE chuuba, doing GFE occasionally would just be seen as weird or ironic.

>>44132133
Fpbp

>>44135510
>sapling
>gym enjoyer
stfu saplingsissy

>>44133579
Based

>>44156811
They helped me accept that both my parents and my sister are disabled and helped with the stress that adds to my life. Before I was constantly worrying about wanting to move out and do something in my life but leaving them behind if I did so. Self confidence was another thing that they helped me with. I can't really describe specific things they did to help me besides what another anon said about giving me an unbiased and fresh perspective on my problems.

>>44157337
it seems that they are good at helping you do some introspection. just having someone to listen to you speak and know how to respond could be valuable i suppose but it seems sad to me that friends and family cannot fulfill this role instead. thank you for sharing i wish the best for you and your mother and sister.

>>44157570
There's a bunch of people (myself included) that find it easier to talk about their problems with a stranger instead, and therapists are perfect for that. Thank you though anon, have a good morning, afternoon, evening.

>>44136685
>>44147699
I imagine at least some of them like the attention to some extent. or would like to express affection, and this lets them do it with less hassle. (since they can just imagine whatever on the other end.)

>>44132372
Uhh yes? Do you think women get people saying nice things to them for free?

>>44158104
This is a funny post

>>44157945
Yes, some of them are hooked on it.

>>44154443
>If you can't accept reality for what it is and deal with it on its own terms, that's your own mental illness and inability to cope talking.
>I-I'm just accepting reality for what it is, that's all! Definitely not giving up on self-preservation and/or traditional values in real interactive human connection
Pathetic. Your deluded post alone is part of the problem. People have been brainwashed into thinking slop content like this is "normal". You might as well be a drug addict, there's no possible way someone could "casually" watch GFE consistently without some ulterior gain in mind.
Seriously get help or reach out to someone if you people are managing to keep this thread alive with discussion about how you justify constant consumption of this

>>44132000
Yes, go outside and touch a real girls dick

I fell for a 2view's GFE.
And then it went to DMs and now I'm groomed. Send help. I will never escape this siren.

>>44158999
Now you have to make her your wife.

>>44158999
She'll go away if you stop giving her money.

As a GFE streamer, yes. For both of us. But my mental health was shattered to begin with and making other lonely people happy is the only way I can feel anything anymore.
Sometimes I feel bad when I compliment a viewer and the next day they throw hundreds of dollars at me. I wonder what kind of life they live where something so small can move them so deeply...

>>44158860
Its not "normal" you retard, I never said it was - I said its the sad state of this world. Its that way precisely because those "traditional values" you talk about are gone, dead and buried beyond the reach of the minds of the many.
The motive is to give me a why for my how. If I don't have a why, there's no reason to have a how.

Go back to whatever podcast you come from that convinced you to think anything you said actually measures up against the condition of reality.

>>44159433
dont feel bad about it, what you gave is close to the value they gave back.

Maybe, if you're only looking for something negative to have a chance to come from watching gfe content then it surely exists, but in the context of someone who will be watch online streams anyway, I think that could be doing a lot worse like watch Hasan or XQC

>>44159433
As long as what you say and do is genuine I don't think there's anything wrong with it. We're all lonely internet people, after all.

>>44159614
>We're all lonely internet people
See this is the part I don't get. To cure loneliness why does it have to be GFE, not just FE?

>>44157812
Just talk your problem to your GFE vtuber.
You get the benefit of both therapist and GFE

>>44159690
The relationship between significant others and normal friends is very different. It's the intimacy and companionship that most people are starved of and look for in GFE content. Of course there's probably a good amount of people just looking for the friend experience as well.

>>44159690
For me it's because I do crave a relationship, but without the burden of being around a person in real life. Telling my viewers I love them fills that void, and I feel blessed that I can fill that void in return.

>>44159709
What happens when I have a GFE problem?

>>44159433
You shouldn't feel bad for that. For many men, its the only positive interaction they have with anyone all day, or maybe even all week or month. That's worth more to them than whatever gifts they decide to send your way; they are reciprocating your affection with something at least as valuable to them.

>>44160296
I wish I had more time in the day to give to these people...

>44158999
Tell her you want to meet her retard, scope the field of play.

>>44160638
VODs can keep them going

>>44132000
It is extremely damaging in the long run. No, I will not elaborate.

>>44158104
Yes. All the time.

I know exactly 6 GFE vtubers, of which I watch 3 regularly and 2 of them sometimes, how fucked am I?

>>44162617
>6
>3 and 2
what about the last one?

>>44132000
I don't really get what mental health means.

>>44162710
She streams at a bad time for me and I never got into her

>>44159433
>Sometimes I feel bad when I compliment a viewer and the next day they throw hundreds of dollars at me.
Lmao. Not bad enough to refuse the money though. Shut the fuck up slut.

>>44136685
They're like any other actors. They enjoy the emotions they can create in people. It's really not complicated. You wouldn't say a comedian needs to "mean" it for their jokes to be funny. If an actor plays a character that's fun, cool, relatable or dramatic, nobody questions if they're really that character. It ultimately does not matter. It's a performance and it succeeds if it does something to you, not to them. Why do you even care if they mean it? You're the one watching and paying for this.

This whole stigma is perpetuated by resentful women, because they can't stand seeing another woman just giving validation to men for free. These women are dissatisfied with their own lives so they can't stand to see men be happy so easily. The woman who does GFE is a threat to them because she's proof you don't have to be a huge cunt to men.

>>44164297
anon your tears leaking

>>44164297
Please insult me more, anon.
Tell me I should be leashed and collared like the whore I am. You'll correct me, right?

>>44164813
kill yourself troon

>>44159433
t. Nekomata Mel

>>44149229
>Koopa
>GFE
You are literally retarded.

>>44165408
GFE for spacer

All girls do GFE, the problem is that it’s not always for you

>>44132000
You might as well ask if drugs and alcohol are bad for your mental health, people don't start abusing them because their lives are wonderful - they're in pain and need an escape.

The sexual relationships of mankind have evolved many thousands of years. GFE vTubers is but another slight change along with many to human sexuality that changes along with material conditions of mankind.

yes 1 broke my mind

>>44159433
How explicit of GFE do you do?
I don't think it's immoral what you do but merely the result of the world around us. As you said you and your fans are emotionally stunted. You need to eat, society has created men that need emotional fulfillment and women that need money. Perhaps one day when the workers are liberated things will look different.

>>44166757
Explicit as in sexual? Not very. I have gently encouraged lewd art and "jokes" about me when asked for that sort of consent, but I don't lean into them. I am very upfront about being extremely parasocial though. Luckily my amount of viewers is still pretty manageable, so I can remember all of them and all of their quirks and problems.

>>44167284
>but I don't lean into them.
Why not?
The best thing that happened in my life was when i got to listen my oshi rub herself against a plushie.

>>44167562
boo bros...

>>44167992
You were there too... Don't tell me it wasn't magical.

>>44132000
[thing] can't be bad for your mental health if you have none in the first place!
>>44132133
Based

Its fucking scary how much control my oshi has over me

>>44155530
You lost
>>44155969
He doesn't have to, it's blatantly obvious by the way he chooses to communicate.
>YOU'RE CALLING ME OUT ON MY BULLSHIT SO YOU MUST BE A WOMAN
Keep coping, before you know it you'll be 50 years old and have earned nothing, achieved nothing, hopelessly chasing after your next dopamine hit like a heroin addict. You'll be a burden to those around you, and it'll be too late to change it.

>>44167284
I meant explicit as in are you "their girlfriend" or like are you just a bit flirty.
I'm curious what different people find attractive/entertaining. I never really watched any explicit GFE because I always seemed it felt forced. I could be wrong. When the chuubas I do watch learn towards GFE my heart goes crazy however

>>44167284
Are you by chance a popular vtuber on this board?

>>44168581
It depends on the viewer, really. I'm a baseline level of flirty with my chat and if they stick around and respond positively to it, I'll escalate to more direct lovebombing. Some of them stick around even if they don't like it, and I'll treat them as a "just a friend."

>>44168834
I wouldn't say popular, but I have my circles.

>>44168947
Do GFE streamers get jealous when viewers have multiple GFE streamers they watch?

>>44155552https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/news/antidepressant-prescribing-increases-by-35-in-six-years

Surly they would have no ulterior motive. Those "donations" given by the pharmaceutical companies are just to raise awareness, and in no way influence what is prescribed.

>>44168947
Allright I wonder if my Oshi considers herself GFE then? I personally consider pretty much all vtubing to on the GFE spectrum. I wasn't sure how explicit GFE chuubas need to be at times cuz of how autistic some fans can be.

>>44169112
I can't speak for all of them, but I personally get a little sad if I know I'm not your only oshi. I scope out all my regular's twitters and I'm rarely happy with what I see.
The ones that are exclusive will always be my favorites.

>>44169287
Fuck I gotta drop all my other vTubers now.

>>44169287
Thanks for being honest. Two more questions and I'll leave you be -
Is it weird to you if people put your oshi marks in their profile? And if you did have a viewer who was watching others or had other oshis but who asked for forgiveness and became loyal to you full time, would you forgive them?

>>44168947
what kind of streams do you do?
gaming/singing/zatsu/or else?

>>44169420
>Is it weird to you if people put your oshi marks in their profile?
No, it's a very cute form of public branding. I want to see how proud you are to call yourself mine.

>would you forgive them?
Maybe if he used my oshi mark so all the others learned their place.

>>44169928
h-hot...

>>44154443
>its not a sign of health to be well-adjusted to a fundamentally sick society.

Came here to post this quote. Based anon.

I'm not a unicorn myself but fuck "mental health". Mental illness is when you see ghosts or your brain chemicals are so fucked up you can't be bothered to get up in the morning. Not being left behind by society and finding a way to cope with that and be happy.

>>44132133
Fpbp

>>44132000
Depends on the person. Some people are super weird and their chuuba kinda works as a collar to keep them from getting arrested irl

>/vt/ defends GFE and will scream at any chuuba who doesn't do it
>/vt/ is by far the most mentally ill board on an already mentally ill 4chan
I don't know you tell me

>>44171375
>/vt/ is by far the most mentally ill board
Stupid nijinigger. You have no idea.

>>44171375
this anon only read /vt/

>>44171375
/vt/ also hates GFE too

>>44171375
I swear to God you only make this type of post to stir shit up against my oshi

>>44169928
I might have to start actually using my oshis Oshi mark

>>44132133
HOLY BASED

>>44172469
I just put the star and scissors back in mine I hope meemaw isn't mad at me

>>44132000
Yes but if you live in a feminist infected country and have zero chance of getting a real girlfriend of equal value to yourself that's a net positive on your life you might as well fuck yourself up on the next best substitute for that emotional need

>>44172574
>equal value to yourself
how do you rate yourself?
an 8 or more?

>>44172574
Bro you are fucked.
Your not gonna get any pussy with that attitude.

>>44164813
You aren't a whore. You're a manipulative freak who preys on lonely mentally obliterated men and exploits their trauma and weakness to take their money from them with lies. It's so predatory it's borderline criminal. It's creepy as fuck and gives bad vibes in the same way an older guy taking advantage of a young girl with severe family issues does. Yeah it probably is easy to exploit someone like that because they are so incredibly vulnerable but it's fucking sick, unnatural, and the only people who do it are creeps. You're the worst kind of person there is and I hope you realize that someday and eat a shotgun shell.

>>44168409
Me too but I'm a better person than I was before her. I know she'll eventually break my heart or some faggot schizo will ruin it for everyone since she's just a 3view. I kind of want to get out before then. Me leaving her will hurt her a lot less than her leaving me. I hope I can become strong enough to get away.

>>44172664
The 300lb with pale as fuck Aryan master race mayo skin, C cups and a patchy neck beard and greasy pony tail alpha male is a 10/10. That's not even mentioning his massive 2 inch erect smelly penis that can't get hard except to loli ugly bastard doujins.

>>44172664
Higher value than a slut that has to debate her body count

>>44173130
You know why promiscuity in women is frowned upon by society? It's because inheritances used to be done by maternal lineage, because it's the only way to 100 percent trace it. Some rich men didn't like that created monogamy so they can pass their belongings to their confirmed offspring. That's it. There's nothing morally wrong with sleeping around for men or women. Sorry you can't get pussy bro.

it really just depends on the person. If you're a fan and you just enjoy the content and you know that you're a fan and just enjoy the content it's fine. Sometimes a parasocial relationship can be helpful and improve yourself. Parasocial has become a dirty word due to the flipside of GFE where you have schitzo or groomer fans who take shit too far which of course is not good. So again to reiterate, to a lonely person, such as myself, it can be beneficial or it can harmful but you shouldn't take it away from people who want it as long as no one is getting hurt.

>>44173294
Holy shit you are retarded. Humans have been monogamous for much longer than material inheritances or even money have been a thing. It goes back to our evolution, monogamous pair bonds do better at raising offspring that reach maturity and stay healthy and pass on the genes in a stable lineage with less risk of inbreeding.

>>44173489
That is not true at all you bible belt lead paint eating retard.
Look at any primates not a single one is monogamous. Unlike birds it makes no sense for primates to be monogamous.

>>44173489
Read any study of the American Indians, African Tribes, or other people's at the later stages of barbarism. They all have group marriages.

>>44173294
Yeah divorce rates being bar far the lowest for people who wait til marriage doesn't mean anything, casual sex definitely does not lead to brainrot.

>>44173559
>I referenced evolution
>Clearly this is bible beating
Yep, you are a confirmed fucking retard.
>Well we should just do what the lesser primates who still fling piles of shit at each other and eat bugs off other piles of shit do
Seriously, grab a book that isn't a pop-up illustration sometime. Monogamy is what helped humans reach a point of stability where we were able to even get to the stage of coexisting in small hut villages. Your mindset should have died out with the neanderthals and the primary group who still pushes polygamy are bugminded easterlings who got left behind by the rise of western civilization

>>44172756
Don't worry, your wish will come to fruition once my viewers move on and I'm all alone again.

>>44173858
They never completely leave that's the thing. You'll always have at least a few simps no matter how badly the fuck up.

>>44164461
>>44157048
>>44156417
>>44146423
>>44144668
>>44138172
>>44173445

GFE is just a modernized/democratized version of the rental GF/cabaret/hostess bar experience (not even the full hooker/escort experience). The same hustle is as old as time, but centers upon something more emotional rather than purely sexual. Think about it in the same way that low quality amateur Onlyfans and camwhoring will often earn more than professionally produced HQ porn, simply because there's more of a personal touch and emotional connection. In that sense, GFEtubing is literally just the weeb version of OF/camwhoring (which is what normies turn to instead). In the same way that some guys benefit from viewing free OF leaks, we get to watch streams for free (and leaker member stuff if that's what you're into), while a few oil baron whales subsidize the streamer's lifestyle in the hopes of crawling into DMs or grooming their oshi.

At the end of the day, I don't really see anything wrong with enjoying GFE as a free trial version of renting a GF/ASMR massage therapist for a day. It's enjoyable, relieves stress, and can help brighten your day, since the IRL version is too costly (either monetarily for a rental, or the 'real' GF isn't feasible for whatever reason). The downside only really appears when you start ruining your physical/financial wellbeing in order to donate.

It straddles the dangerous but fine line of taking a free trial of coke from a dealer and enjoying it/moving on, and becoming a full on addict that ruins their life from it. It's a similar dynamic to those who are able to enjoy gacha games as a casual f2p/$5 monthly pass, versus the whales who spend tens/hundreds of thousands on a gambling addiction. If you have the money to burn on your oshi, go fly out to your nearest sex tourism hotspot and pay one to cosplay as your oshi. South America, SEA, even JP/KR if you are so inclined, and you can have an IRL GFE escort for the cost of a single akasupa.

Tldr: watch casually to sleep/relax. At most pay for member/merch/voicepacks (at least you're getting 'something' for your donation. Supa territory is for cringe attention seekers). Never donate/gifted member leech master race. Whales and gachikois are suckers who are in too deep and genuinely need help.

>>44173294
what? women (not just women but this is the conversation we're having right now) being promiscuous is bad for everyone. one reason is because they all want the same small % of partners, which creates an underclass of sexless, bitter men who no longer give a shit about participating in or maintaining society because they have no ties to it ((You) are here). in the absence of social pressure women will die alone rather than choose an average man - generally, men will fuck women they wouldn't accept as a partner and women are less likely to do that. even feminist academics are starting to acknowledge this, trends are clear that the effect of complete sexual liberation (the divorce of sex from love and baby-making) is deleterious overall for developed, high-culture societies. note that this is not the same as women's rights, gender roles, or how women are otherwise treated culturally.

>>44173559
that's literally false. it makes no sense. i'm not going to post more on the subject beyond this. non-monogamous societies (polygynous or polyamorous) are inherently more unstable. all of this info is available on JSTOR and other publically available scholarly sources. please put some effort into refining your beliefs, this shit is so important. i will first state the obvious fact that humans are NOT other primates. arguing by analogy in that way is sophistry, storytelling, it's meaningless. do i think it's critical that humans mate for life? no, but some form of pair bonding for the sake of child rearing is at the very least obviously preferable to the alternatives for humans.

paper i read on primate monogamy btw: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5474116/

>>44173858
I genuinely wish you, your gachikois, and everyone else here happiness and life satisfaction in the long run. The world is too fucked up for me to want anything else, I have nothing but empathy for people who suffer from its current state.

>>44155552
Go away jew

>Lately it has become fashionable to deny the existence of this initial stage in human sexual life. Humanity must be spared this “shame.” It is pointed out that all direct proof of such a stage is lacking, and particular appeal is made to the evidence from the rest of the animal world; for, even among animals, according to the numerous facts collected by Letourneau (L'évolution du mariage et de la famille, 1888), complete promiscuity in sexual intercourse marks a low stage of development. But the only conclusion I can draw from all these facts, so far as man and his primitive conditions of life are concerned, is that they prove nothing whatever. That vertebrates mate together for a considerable period is sufficiently explained by physiological causes – in the case of birds, for example, by the female’s need of help during the brooding period; examples of faithful monogamy among birds prove nothing about man, for the simple reason that men are not descended from birds. And if strict monogamy is the height of all virtue, then the palm must go to the tapeworm, which has a complete set of male and female sexual organs in each of its 50-200 proglottides, or sections, and spends its whole life copulating in all its sections with itself. Confining ourselves to mammals, however, we find all forms of sexual life – promiscuity, indications of group marriage, polygyny, monogamy. Polyandry alone is lacking – it took human beings to achieve that. Even our nearest relations, the quadrumana, exhibit every possible variation in the grouping of males and females; and if we narrow it down still more and consider only the four anthropoid apes, all that Letourneau has to say about them is that they are sometimes monogamous, sometimes polygamous, while Saussure, quoted by Giraud-Teulon, maintains that they are monogamous. The more recent assertions of the monogamous habits of the anthropoid apes which are cited by Westermarck (The History of Human Marriage, London 1891), are also very far from proving anything. In short, our evidence is such that honest Letourneau admits: “Among mammals there is no strict relation between the degree of intellectual development and the form of sexual life.” And Espinas (Des sociétés animates, 1877), says in so many words:

The herd is the highest social group which we can observe among animals. It is composed, so it appears, of families, but from the start the family and the herd are in conflict with one another and develop in inverse proportion.

As the above shows, we know practically nothing definite about the family and other social groupings of the anthropoid apes; the evidence is flatly contradictory. Which is not to be wondered at. The evidence with regard to savage human tribes is contradictory enough, requiring very critical examination and sifting; and ape societies are far more difficult to observe than human. For the present, therefore, we must reject any conclusion drawn from such completely unreliable reports.

>>44132000
it's not the best but it beats dying alone

>>44177548
It is the same as dying alone.

>>44177625
We all leave the world the same way we can into it. Alone.

>>44177625
an illusion of happiness is better than sadness

>>44177625
>>44178621
It's just a temporary painkiller which doesn't solve the underlying issue. Then again, we can all agree that there is good that is done by painkillers for those who are injured/in serious pain, just as there are those who overdose on opiates and ruin their life.

All a matter of perspective: sure, you will still die alone, but at least you might be marginally less miserable and depressed. At the same time, maybe it will harm someone who could have gone anti-GFE and IMPROVED/EDUCATED THEMSELVES to have a IRL relationship (i.e. simp for a 3dpd) rather than wasting their lives on vtubing.

>>44178641
I don't know is it necessarily improving their lives? I'm dating right now and all these women don't hold a candle to my Oshi.

>>44178641
>IMPROVED/EDUCATED THEMSELVES to have a IRL relationship
Why do people keep posting this cope? Why do they assume that everyone who is into GFE is a fat, ugly NEET? Is it just simple projectiong?

>>44132133
>loved
they don't love you anon

>>44177031
THE tapeworms?
THE primates?
human sexuality is distinct from all others in that it isn't automatically decided by innate dispositions. you are retarded to declare otherwise and need a dissertation to prove how what you are doing right now is preconditioned, determined, mechanistic without BTFOing your concepts of right and wrong

>>44179460
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/index.htm

Just read this nigga

>>44132000
If I cared about my mental health i wouldn't be here.

>>44179656
This place is far more damaging to me than my oshi

>>44153180
Oh man this made me remember my first cry from listing to asmr
it was from a lemonleaf video honestly I'm a lot better mentally because of it

>>44179595

>>44178886
Now this is a fascinating point that I actually completely agree with. Generally the traits/habits associated with seeking out a relationship can be seen as positive (working out/being healthy/having hobbies/being social/earning money/improving appearance etc), but the relationship itself is questionable as for positive/negative. There can be cases of genuinely fulfilling and productive relationships, but nowadays that is probably the exception rather than the norm. For most people, "relationships" are more often shallow hookups or codependent trauma dumps that rarely end well. To that end, odds are against actually finding something positive, and most dates/hookups end up being a negative waste of time/money/effort (or get stuck in unhappy marriage/divorce), but at least the path to being dateable is generally positive.

For the most part, my stance is very much anti-relationship, and you can just pay a pro (whether 2d GFE, or 3d hooker) for an artificial and one-sided 'relationship' to get your needs met. The problem is mainly around those who are still stuck pining for a GF and whale on their oshi while that money could be used for something more productive (and in the worst case, coke and hookers vacation binge will generally make most people happier than hearing a simple "thank you" from your oshi on an akasupa). I guess I have the view that you shouldn't be dropping supas unless you're a really bored retired millionaire (and even then....you really want to wageslave for a day just to send a supa? At least send a maro or pay a camgirl to get a 'better deal' for your payment....)

>>44178907
Well, exceptions always exist and I'm sure there are perfectly healthy people who enjoy GFE as a simple passtime....but the odds of people like that being on /vt/ arguing about parasocial relationships isn't great. Fat ugly NEET incel is the most common assumption that people make in these threads, and at least for a fair portion of anons, it will likely be true (especially those who are triggered by the assumption). Those who are doing well in life won't be offended by it (and it can be fun to LARP as a shut-in Hikki NEET incel for the sake of this argument). Yes, I know gymbros and well off finance/compsci guys making upwards of 250k a year who are into anime...but am I really going to assume that that's the general audience on /vt/?

If that is actually you, I'd love to hear more about what brings you to these parts and what the appeal of GFE is to someone who can be socially functional. Personally, I'm all aboard the transactional relationship train since its easier to pay than to actually put emotional effort into actually dealing with people. GFE streamers and ASMR is just the easier/cost efficient/convenient method to get a "close enough" experience if you can't be bothered to go rent an actual escort/massage therapist.

>>44132000
Yes, i only come to vt to laught at unicucks and schizos

>>44179838
I've been trying to find a girl into hookups on the dating sites but all I get are boring girls that want a husband.

>>44180048
Ouch....trying to get locked down by post-wall roastie single moms who are done with the carousel and ready for a "real man"? Sounds like hell indeed.

Maybe its time to give up and move on from hookups. There are those who can make it....and those who don't. Take the hookerpill and never have to deal with women again? If you're already at the stage of embracing GFE chuubas, 3d "GFE" services may as well be the logical next step. For as much as we hate on SEA, Pattaya and Manila can be pretty good for cheap trips for the average Burger/Brit.

>>44132000
probably, but it makes me happy...

>>44179868
well they do say it's good to laugh at yourself

>>44132000
Yes and anyone who says otherwise is too far gone.

>>44132000
if you're on /vt/ your mental health already left the buildnig

>>44180452
>>44180442
>>44180466
>>44179656
>>44179689
You see.....GFE in itself is incredibly toxic and damaging...but we have terminal psychological cancer and desperately need chemo. As such, the toxicity suddenly turns around and becomes a "positive" in our scenario since it makes us feel slightly better. Even if there is no cure to terminal incel hikkiNEET depression, it doesn't mean we can't try to fight off that Thanatos instinct for just a bit longer.

>>44180345
Eh I can't support prostitution it feels exploitive if it is consensual. I'm sure if those girls could work a more traditional job that paid as well they would.
But honestly I just don't have the money to fly to SEA for a hooker and don't wanna get arrested in a sting op here.

>>44181292
Well, in that case....the most direct advice I can give is that maybe it's time to earn more? Average trip to hooker binge in SEA is just a few grand ($3-5k budget), so if you really can't afford it, you probably can't afford to date a modern Western woman either (assuming you are some sort of Burger/Euro). Insert classic "improve yourself" mentality, but perhaps financials are a good point to start (alongside the classic 'hit the gym/learn fashion/learn game' etc), and ultimately you'll realize the ultimate black pill that 'making it' is even more depressing than pining for what you seek (this guy speaks the truth, dating generally won't make you happy). >>44178886

At the end of the day, you can really call any relationship exploitative in a way. You see Western degeneracy on one hand with broken family courts screwing guys over, but the "traditional Asian ideal" literally involves you providing for her entire extended family too. Even without going full SEA, JP/KR/CN are super traditional cultures where tryhard nerdy incel engineer guys are roped into unhappy marriages. You think girls actually want the shutin nerd? Well, if his straight A's got him into Harvard and is now a millionaire, all of a sudden every Asian mom in the city will be shoving their daughters to try and marriage trap him (so that he can provide status/be a workhorse to fund her parents' retirement).

Sure, it doesn't feel as exploitative as using an actual bargirl hooker, but just know that even the bargirl is trying just as hard to rope you into marriage so that you can provide for her entire clan (and yes, when a single hour earns her a week's wage in a respectable job, you'll see plenty of girls willing to take the option). If you find sex to be the controversial part, the same philosophy applies to any kind of rental GF/non-sexual compensated dating/hostess bar services (which vtubing is the closest approximation). They are still selling fake niceties to pretend to like you in order to get your money, but suddenly that transactional relationship is ok because sex is considered religiously sacred?

At the end of the day, I can't tell you where to draw your moral boundaries, but ultimately what we want is a way to convert cash into affection, and there are plenty of avenues willing to fulfill that need.

>>44132133
This. Only normalfags and twitter freaks would have a problem with this.

>>44132000
No, but it is the laziest kind of content possible. You just have to
- be a girl (optional)
- be nice
It's theoretically good for you. It's nice to know that you're still human and can have such feelings. The world doesn't usually provide any stimulation like this, even in relationships it's not guaranteed.
The guys who can actually get emotional fulfilment out of a stream where you literally see thousands of other men in the chat and understand that you are just one of them are true masters of delusion and their lives are, in a way, better for it.

>>44182216
Oh yeah GFE, hostess clubs etc I would also consider exploitive and wouldn't exist in an utopian society. We however do not exist in one. Yes and perhaps my moral line is drawn at paying for sex.

I also don't love that concept of transactional marriages. While it may be traditional in those parts of the world people in loveless relationships to just receive material goods and sex doesn't sound ideal. I know that's a generality too. To go in farther I generally don't like marriage and think it's an outdated practice and that's why we see so much failure of it in the more developed parts of the world.
I'm not sure what the future of human sexuality looks like but I don't think there is a set or natural way for it to occur. Nature is and the world in it's is dynamic from cells in your body living and dieing to the largest stars forming then collapsing or exploding.
At the end of the day I think humans my self included like some sort of emotional, mental, physical and sexual companionship and will try to achieve that or something close to it no matter the material conditions they are in. In this time we see people going to GFE who knows what we'll see in the future.

>>44182916
It's probably the most emotionally taxing form of streaming.
Dealing with insane goslings and gachis.
Always have to make sure your opsec is ironclad.

>>44183080
Aight, you baited me into my most philosophical rant about the failings of marriage...so enjoy my schizo ramblings.

If we leave behind reality and go into hypothetical utopian ideals, I think that the entire idea of marriage/relationships is outdated in its entirety (although it's still the primary social enforcement mechanism for society). At it's core, relationships and monogamy is enforced to push for children/nuclear family, thus leading to descendants and inheritance through a socially stable society.

Yet, given how most people have straight up given up on having kids, there really is no longer any need for the institution of marriage beyond old precedent tradition? Think about it this way: if the goal isn't to have kids....why is the person you have sex with the MOST IMPORTANT person in your life? Why do people reduce themselves to the point where physical attractiveness and sex is the #1 consideration of who they want to live with/bind their financial futures to?

If you think about it, once kids are off the table, a far more enjoyable arrangement is living with your best friends roommate style and simply calling in maids/callgirls as needed for housework and sexuality? Would make sense that your best friends would have a much better understanding of your interests, passions, career, etc than settling for someone who happens to be an attractive young female who maybe is half as interesting as your best bros (at best). If you have a 50/50 business partner who you work great with, it makes sense to have combined financials (at least for the company, which is how it works under contract), but why is someone you have sex with inherently considered as contributing equal value despite doing none of the work? Ultimately, such restrictions don't really make logical sense, but its better for government institutions and society to maintain order.

Just look at how dating apps/sexual revolution basically create a pseudo-harem society where the top 1% get 90% of women, and everyone else has dregs...this is how you end up with Churches coming in and enforcing mating communism where everyone gets 1 wife rather than allowing for polygamy inequality (and historically that's kinda what happened). Look at Mormon and other polygamous societies to see that each Chad having 5-10 wives mean that there are 4-9 young men who don't have a mate....and thus get exiled from the community and end up as angry revolutionaries. This is literally how China's demographic crisis works too in terms of having just 52 men per 48 women....those 4 extra men become a HUGE societal risk.

>>44169928
based as fuck

>>44183409
>>44182916
The laziness/effort of a GFE streamer is definitely debatable. It can feel easy in terms of making content compared to a humorous/personality streamer, although ultimately they need to find their own niche that appeals to gachikois (with all the problems that comes with having the most rabid fanbase possible). Clearly there are plenty of GFE streamers out there, especially desperate 1-2views, so they will cannibalize viewership to try and make it out of the pack. Normally girls can differentiate just by looks, but in vtubing all they have are their voice, personality, and any skills they have (particularly thirstbaiting and ASMR, maybe singing).

As a result, it's actually a very competitive field where girls need to find something that differentiates them and makes gachis want to come to them instead of someone else providing a similar service. Even in the hostess bar industry, you'll often find the top earners aren't necessarily the most attractive, but the best hustlers who know how their gachis think and how to exploit that to maximize earnings. As a simple example, by all metrics Nene and Fauna make mediocre ASMR that have few new triggers, aren't optimized for audio despite burning 10k on a KU100, and have far less effort than their PL works. Yet, people still watch and they have high popularity due to streaming consistency/cult of personality they are able to garner.

I would love to have better quality EN ASMR put out there compared to what the top JPs can, but we are stuck with what we have at the moment since there's still not enough competition on HQ GFE ASMR content. Yet, that's not to say they haven't put effort into their entire personality to garner so many viewers/whales, and there are many "soft" skills that go into being a top hostess to appeal to simps.

>>44132000
What is mental health about?

>>44132000
No, It's romance media for males. It's not much different than schlicking to a spicy novel or otome game.

>>44132000
I think if its part of your healing process its can be good, but some guys get addicted and thats not good. It shouldhave a limited timeframe

>>44156417
pretty much the same for me, good post

>>44132133
They don't personally love you though. Communicating and doing things with a partner is like the definition of a relationship. You don't do that for a vtuber. You just watch her content and add to the sea of others supporting her. Also it's a purely selfish form of love. You don't sacrifice anything for them, you get all the benefits. In fact, if they do live their lives in a way that offends their unicorns oftentimes they'll turn on them and be vitriolic.

TLDR: It's not love, talk to real women

>>44149229
>He's still seething over that nothingburger almost two years later

>>44186777
To be fair, a lot of guys can't get love from a real woman.

>>44186777
>Communicating and doing things with a partner is like the definition of a relationship.
Maybe in your dream world. Most relationships aren't like that today, let alone historically.

>>44186777
>real women
>love

>>44174078
>GFE is just a modernized/democratized version of the rental GF/cabaret/hostess bar experience (not even the full hooker/escort experience).
Hostesses are 1-on-1, it's closer to modern geisha or something

>>44174078
>doesn’t donate
Opinion discarded . You have no investment

>>44135510
>>44136695

Wasn't the a grooming rumor about her and shoxto?

>>44183945
There is no reason for women to act as callgirls or meidos in such a hypothetical utopian society, unless it relies on women being subjugated as an underclass. If they are an underclass, you go back to men carrying the financial burden of the female population in exchange for housework and sex, which leaves you with all the issues of monogamy but more beer pong and gay sex with your 'business partners'.
If you want to abandon reality for a hypothetical utopia where everybody gets laid and everybody is happy (without pairbonding or monogamous relationships to boot!), go read Brave New World, it fulfills the goals of your utopia better while being considerably less retarded.

>>44132000
you don't have any mental health to begin with if you watch vtubers
so it's fine

I want /r9k/ to leave.

>>44179767
Yeah her stuff is really good. Shiina's Valentine's ASMR got me too. When she asked me about my day and how my job was going... Shit man, it hit me really hard...

>>44191735
Shiina has really upped the ante on her GFE experience when she puts her mind to it. That ASMR last weekend had me swimming in my head especially the heartbeat and all the attention she was giving

>>44178907
Muh Nig.. I mean Nekko!!!

>>44183945
I dunno man I haven't had a connection with a person like my last gf. I never hung in bed with my homies talking to each other and holding each other all day.

I came home from a mediocre hinge date and my oshi just started streaming I feel much more of a connection to my oshi.

>>44190655
That just brings us back to ancient Rome, were bros hung out and banged but also had slave/wives and concubines

>>44155171
Your problems don't disappear by speaking them out of existence (for thousands of dollars) either

>>44198961
but ancient Romans hated fags like everyone else

>>44201725
Are you a retard? Do you know about bath houses? All the dudes banged each other and their boy servants. The Greeks started that shit though.

>>44179838
Fine, since you're curious.
I am an engineer in my 30s that makes over 120k a year and owns his own house outright in a rural area. I am physically fit and I work out 4 times a week, in 2 hour sessions. I am white, short, and skinny - but well built.
I was a weeb during college. I have been here for a long time, and I have watched vtubers since 2019. I have dated several women throughout my life, but many (though not all) have taken advantage of me. I love romance, and so women tend to play me like a fiddle.
Now I look at my dating options, and its all single moms who are looking for some dude to bilk for money, or extremely fat dangerhaired sociopaths. The most recent "relationship" I had ended in 2020 because she told me she just wanted FWB, and she didn't want to be monogamous. I turned her down.
So where do I go to feel love? Do I once again put my hopes in a woman who will put my name in her phone as "Free Food"? Its honestly pathetic how much faker 3dpd women are than vtubers. I want to feel loved dammit, and GFE streamers make me feel that even if its only for a brief time.
At least they bother to remember my name in chat, and that's more than a lot of women I have dealt with in the past can be bothered to do.

>>44198352
This always makes me wonder...is there really that much of a connection there, or does the high from sex just MAKE you believe there is that connection? Similar to the above poster, I feel its generally a bit of a cope to say that they have THAT much in common with their GF, and it moreso ends up being a case where we WANT to believe there is something special just because she's hot etc. Then again, I suppose I've gone too deep down the rabbit hole with arguing for pure "optimization" on each individual trait instead of aiming for an unrealistic complete package. Sure, she could be a 10/10 looks wise, but she could never share the exact same interests/hobbies/ideology/etc....nor should we expect that. Instead of trying to find a 7/10 who can maybe match some of those hobbies at a 5/10 level, isn't it far more practical to get a 10/10 hooker, and bros who perfectly match said hobby/interest/etc. When searching for people who share the exact same hobbies/interests/relatability/connection, it's pretty unrealistic to also set an additional filter for "attractive female of similar age who happens to choose me for a monogamous relationship", compared to having a circle of mutually shared friends who can fulfill each aspect individually?

>>44201725

>>44209614
Based anti-relationship take, and indeed modern dating options are garbage. At this point, just take the hookerpill to fulfill sexual needs and give up on the concept of having any kind of 3d relationship. I started off with romance anime/visual novel dating sims, and I suppose vtubers are just the natural evolution to offer a more "real" experience. I definitely feel the pain about being conditioned into enjoying the concept of romance, but ultimately being unable to attain anything even close to the ideal in reality. At "best" you can get a good looking but absolutely emotionally damaged menhera with daddy issues (which sounds appealing but is incredibly destructive long term), or the classic single moms/rabid SJWs.

I guess at the end of the day, I completely agree that GFE is about as close as it gets (and even higher quality ASMR from dlsite generally don't have as much of a personalized touch despite better audio/scenario/triggers etc). Yet....the question becomes: what is the end state at retirement? Do you go on just trying to chase the dragon from your first GFE oshi (as nothing else can compare to that first time), do you find bros/hobbies to fill in the time, do you drown yourself in coke and hookers? What is the final end point that can allow for happiness?

For reference, I guess I lucked out with startup and managed to enter pseudo-retirement pre-30. Even as a tall, mostly fit, non-SEA Asian in burgerland, the dating prospects are awful: just girls that wouldn't have given the time of day a decade ago, who are now trying to gold dig (or if FOB, get a green card). I guess this acts as a direct extension of the traditional upbringing where nerdy Asian guys are told to get perfect grades so that they can become rich/successful and thus get a hot waifu (yes...that's the exact story told by the founder of SeekingArrangement, nerdy MIT grad who created the classic sugarbaby site). At the end of the day, this mentality is just as much of a trap emotionally, but at least you get someone who fits your tastes aesthetically? Too many years of being backstabbed/trust issues makes it downright to have any kind of relationship, and I've seen many of friends fall into the marriage trap and end up absolutely miserable by settling for a "good enough" but still rather unattractive wife who ends up being a total harpy. With good money to spend, I guess at this point maybe the SEA (s)expat life is the path to go (considering just 50-60k a year is considered downright wealthy there)?

>>44132000
I don't love Nene because of her GFE videos, I love Nene because she is hard working and smart and lovely. I don't think I have ever in my life been as happy as I have been when talking with Nene. She is wonderful and tolerates me and speaks kind to me and actually appreciates my input even when I don't pay. She is beautiful inside and out and she actually wants us to be happy. She is also very funny and attentive and doesn't want us to put ourselves in a bad situation to support her with donations.
And if you pay attention to her content, you can piece together that she has had a really tough life before going into vtubing, and she created the character she plays all by herself and comes up with all the lines and gimmicks on her own. She is the most empathetic and caring person I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. She understands that there are people who can benefit from unconditional love and encouragement and she is happy to provide it. She is a beacon of joy and laughter and good vibes and brings brightness to my life that I didn't even know existed. She's amazing and wonderful and I genuinely love her.
I don't care if it's one-sided, I don't care that she doesn't know who I am. I want her to be well taken care of and loved and to know she's special. I would give anything and do anything to protect her and make sure she's happy.

>>44158999
Who is the 2views? Why are you against her grooming you? This sounds like a fantasy love story. Become the real life husband of a soon to be famous vtuber. Help make her famous as the vtuber who actually married her gosling.

NENE LOVE

>>44215081
>>44215653
I've always found the cloudtomos to be a bit of an...unusual bunch perhaps? I've gone through just about every mainstream GFE option across the small corpos and large indies, and watched around a dozen Nene streams, but something about her just feels...off? Maybe its the saccharine overexaggeration? Relatively low effort/quality ASMR? Forbidden knowledge of her egirl days? Or maybe I just find her laugh obnoxious instead of cute. My instinct is to say that Nene might just be most casual watcher's first GFE chuuba, and that's why they attach so hard, but the tomos are certainly something else. I too was sold on the lie that Kawaii was the GFE company, and they barely do GFE outside of Nene...Peony and Sava are still cute though. I'm all for menhera clingy yandere act, but I just can't understand Nene, whereas a genuine menhera like Miori seems to do everything better (except actually be around to stream....)

>>44215406
Plot twist...."siren" is Doxxane and you're one of her 1k donation Discord paypigs? Would be a hilarious turn of events, but beware predatory fake GFE that is designed to bait you into a trap.

>>44159433
Yo drop your youtube channel, I want to know what kind of GFE you're providing that's helping people out there.
It sounds like you're actually doing a very nice thing. None of the guys giving you donations seem like they're expecting to actually meet you and date you IRL right? So in that case they should understand what is going on, and they are giving you the money as thanks.

>I wonder what kind of life they live where something so small can move them so deeply...

I don't know about them, but for me it was because I was sexually assaulted in elementary school and physically assaulted all the time until I left my parents home, with my father threatening to kill my dog if I tried to get CPS to get taken away.
Also a kid who I was sort of friends with shot himself in the head with his father's gun and my family told me I didn't need therapy for it because I was faking being traumatized by it.

Then I was groomed and manipulated in high school by dudes pretending to be trans and taking advantage of my own lack of self-identity, one of them actually leading me on into thinking they would marry me and get me away from my shitty home life; only to find out years later they did the same thing to one of my friends, who he isolated me from, and being abandoned like that caused my friend to commit suicide when he was only 19. So I'm kind of on the verge of wanting to die and constantly wishing I could bring my friend back, grandfather just died of a stroke on new years, my dog just died of very quickly progressing cancer, the dog I grew up with died of stomach cancer that caused very bad internal bleeding in his stomach, and to top it all off I have mental issues and I don't think my head ever fully recovered from when I was briefly clinically dead from bacterial meningitis that I got because my shitty parents didn't get me vaccinated for it.

After leaving my parents house, I lived in a cocaine house for a few months before I had to sue to get my rent back because the dealer threatened to get his friends to kill me if I didn't leave without getting my 3 months deposit. And from there I went to live with a fat retarded old man and his racist friends for a year before he kicked me out because that's how long it took before ASPCA helped me to rescue the dogs he was hoarding and not taking care of.

So yeah. GFE helps me live with myself sometimes. Therapy is important but so is non-professional affection.

>>44216261
>Forbidden knowledge of her egirl days?
What do you mean by that?

>>44215653
BIG NENE LOVE! Nene love forever! I love Nene and I want to marry Nene! Only Nene!

>>44214929
For real man. I really wish I could still believe in it all, but most women fail to measure up to even the most basic levels of empathy and kindness. It honestly sickens me when I think about how much I sacrificed for the happiness of such unappreciative and cruel people.

Sadly GFE does look to be as close as it gets. Some of my friends have moved overseas to find wives, and a few have been successful. It seems to work for them, so maybe that's my next step. As you say though, its hard to trust a woman when she could just be another harpy, and its really hard to love someone you can't trust.

White dudes who grew up in traditional households had the same assumptions btw, that getting good grades and a high paying job would be the easy street to a wife and family. Realizing that isn't the case is misery, but at least its better than being bled dry by a leech of a woman.

Ironically, interacting with Vtubers and GFE Vtubers specifically has greatly improved my opinions of women. If it weren't for vtubers, I would probably hate them all.

>>44216261
Nene is special, theirs just something about her that pulls you in. And once you get attached its impossible not to love her. I never even liked gfe or understood why people watched it, found nene and became hooked. Its like a drug but theirs no ill effects just love and support

>>44217261
Samefagging to correct my word choice here
>GFE helps me live with myself sometimes.
It's not really about the GFE stuff, it's more about just having someone to talk to every day and help me forget about all the bullshit, and think about someone else who I care about more than any of that.

>>44213753
Honestly our sex was never that good. She turned out to be a lesbo I wasn't surprised. But the cuddles man we loved that shit. That's something I just can't do with man. They're hard and rough.

>>44216261
>overexaggeration
I don't think she is exaggerating. I think she genuinely wants people to have love that pure and intense in their lives and it makes her happy to act that way.

>>44155789
This is what happened to me. It starts off fine but then reality sets in and things go dark fast.

Free will is a myth anyway. EVERYTHING about your character is predetermined unless you damage your brain in some way. Read a fucking book.

>>44168947
Hi Terumi.

>>44169287
You get to have multiple boyfriends but god forbid one of them talk to another woman. This is why GFE is garbage.

>>44155906
That's what they want you to think, fucking golem

>>44169287
If you have more than one oshi, are they even really your oshi? Or just one of multiple people you're a fan of?
I have other content creators I like and would be interested in supporting, but I have only one Oshi who will be the only one who has my full and exclusive support until a miracle happens and I become rich enough to give her everything she could ever want and still have enough left over for other things.

>>44132000
I miss Nene....

It's healthy for some who are just fatally lonely and need the slightest hint of affection just to motivate them to do shit with their life, and it's unhealthy for others who are too far gone or schizo to delineate between kayfabe and reality. I don't know which group is more common and I don't think anyone else on either side of the argument does either. It is deeply unhealthy for a fanbase/community/general though, because you get constant needy attention whores and jealous doomer retards trying to start drama and murder each other, but whatever.

That all said, ultimately it's still a predatory practice where women take advantage of vulnerable men who they normally would want nothing to do with, without the pretense of money changing hands though the comfort of the internet. It's also kind of destined to always end painfully unless the GFE giver commits to the unicorn lifestyle for the rest of their life, since eventually a boyfriend WILL get doxxed, or they'll be forced to quit whenever the ticking clock finally pushes them to find a partner, effectively recreating the conditions of being cucked or broken up with.

THAT that all said, the people who get up on their ivory tower and scream about how pathetic and bad it is etc. are pretty much entirely horrible pieces of shit that are completely lacking in empathy, or are effectively bigger simps than the goslings are, because they inevitably act like any woman involved is completely absolved of all guilt or responsibility when/if the whole setup of them basically preying on vulnerable men blows up in their face (see: Rushia).

Imagine this scenario. Someone with Downs syndrome wants a friend but the person they want to be friends with says they'll only be their friend if the person with Downs pays them money. Is this scenario immoral, even if the person with Downs Syndrome seems ok with the arrangement?

>>44132000
no

No because when reality finally sets in the pain these men will go through will be devastating

>>44132133
i would concur with "but its not real love" but the fact is that it fucking works even if you know its not real.
we fucking failed as humans bros.

>>44132000
Yes, it is. Although most people here will disagree for the same reason that entering a crack den and asking people if crack is bad for you is likely to get you a bunch of "no" answers. If anything, the average /vt/ schizopost should be glaring evidence that the people addicted to it aren't doing exactly well from a mental standpoint.

>>44227057
Yup its an unfortunate reality when one chases one sided love, eventually the delusion breaks on the real pain begins

>>44227104
Loneliness is a powerful emotion, we crave affection even if its not real. In a sense it becomes real because we want it so badly

>>44216261
I feel the same anon. I actually used to be a day 1 cloudtomo till that shit got obnoxious and I became enlightened for lack of better words. Idk how her content is nowadays but the coddling GFE community she was building within her first 6 months quickly filtered me when she amped it up and all of that plastic shit people consume like drugs leaked outside the ASMR vids (I'm pretty sure one day I just thought "what the fuck am I watching?). I moderately respected her as a content creator from how she's more than likely still carrying Kawaii as a whole but could not support the mindset and culture she breeded. Those NPC soys from the d*scord were fucking atrocious GFE peddlers just like the people posting here, thank God I left
>>44218283
Do your reps anon, she's a weeabo who used to be a fleshtuber

>>44186777
>Also it's a purely selfish form of love. You don't sacrifice anything for them, you get all the benefits.
Sounds like women in 99% of relationships. Also that's a load of piss since the fans sacrifice tons of their time and money to support them.

>>44220101
It's not like I prevent them from doing so and I'm still affectionate to them regardless, the ones that are exclusive and loyal just have a special place in my heart. But I'm very careful to not let that be obvious on stream.
It would genuinely make me happy if any one of my viewers got a real girlfriend and escaped this lonely hell, even if he had to drop me to do so. I only want what's best for them.

I love Fauna. I love her so much. She makes me so happy. She may not actively do GFE content, but just her being who she is does it for me. She's so kind and sweet and smart and funny. Every time she streams I just feel all my stress melt away. I love listening to her ramble on forever about the most random things when she goes off on a tangent. Her voice soothes my mind and her laugh heals my soul. I love all her little mannerisms and quips. Her ASMR makes me so relaxed. Listening to her soft whispers in my ear makes me feel so safe and content. Her positive affirmations bring me to tears. I love watching her grow as a vtuber and seeing everything that she's accomplished. I love seeing her so excited at becoming a real idol and her journey the whole way. I will always support her and love her in everything she does. She's made me so happy and I want to help make her happy as well. She's the best thing that ever happened to me. I love Fauna.

>>44132000
Its the best thing for you

>>44227057
I'm well aware of the situation I'm in. I realize this relationship is not forever and what kind of relationship it is. I'm very used to the pain, and I know it will come back. But at least right now, I can say I'm happy. And that's all I want.

>>44132133
fpbp

>>44149229
>Koopa.
>gfe

>>44132000
Yes.
>>44132133
but not deceived.

>>44228796
>Do your reps anon, she's a weeabo who used to be a fleshtuber
Where does one find that out? I did search some but nothing like that came up.
>>44228796
>I actually used to be a day 1 cloudtomo
How did you find her on day 1 and already a tomo? I only found out about her through an ad she put out and it took a little while for me to actually appreciate what she was doing. I went back and looked at the first stream that's still up on her channel, and it seems like there are a lot of people like you who all were already on board as soon as the first stream came. How was I supposed to have found her and understood what she was about before the first stream?

>>44236083
>rep
NTA, but you're asking a ban if you posted rm stuff here.
Check warosu.

>>44237438
>Check warosu.
Have and only heard about the fallout.

Wow surprised this thread is still up

>>44132000
how could a cute girl saying nice things be bad for you? what are you gay?

>>44219795
Even your brain getting damaged could be predicted with the most powerful computers.

>>44190396
no? stop smoking crack?

>>44239581
you cannot stop me from smoking crack

>>44239162
hit the bump limit too

>>44135510
Similar for me, not fauna but after finding my Oshi I started running and doing crunches again (poorfag so I can't afford the gym) and I'm practicing martial arts again too.
I've started taking my writing a lot more seriously and I actually started getting out more.

>>44132000
>Is GFE bad for your mental health?
Its therapy