/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>4370803
Wheres nijien at? Are they dead?

Numbers

>Numbers
Top 3 tweets of ENs
>>Gura
>136255
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1390477552930758661
>87869
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1364805219465445383
>68691
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1328448510925090816

>>Ame
>126920
https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1398102087402102784
>69941
https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1392355189537972226
>64429
https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1369245496393469953

>>Mori
>101787
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1378361731110510598
>65967
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1389261938765438977
>62589
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1395414593757859843

>>Ina
>152289
https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1378477784528392196
>105041
https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1360311718526636033
>104106
https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1310371512310931457

>>Kiar...
>53230
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1342057755306123265
>48628
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1363827425835028481
>45427
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1365191405388193792

>>4370861
we don't talk about NijiEn here.

>>4370948
lol, how do you explain this nijicucks?

>>4370948
Rumao kek even vsluts doing better than niggersEN

>>4370910
We really numberfagging tweets now, lol? The pursuit of numbers never ends!!!

>>4371354
numbers is all that matter, it provide us with validation.

>>4370803
Nijisanji friendship is stronger than EN friendship...

>>4370803
Moona came about 20k short of Calli in views for meme review.

>>4370948
Nice edit. Her peak was 2600 you lying shitter

>>4371862
what's the usual number for meme review?

Nijisanji 3D Debut

2020
Otogibara Eru 01/08 52,685 ¥3,899,908
Lize Helesta 01/22 60,200 ¥2,953,193
Ange Katrina 02/10 67,985 ¥3,861,854
Yashiro Kizuku 02/17 57,519 ¥1,178,735
Gundou Mirei 02/20 46,149 ¥1,984,094
Inui Toko 03/02 58,257 ¥3,074,279
Yuzuki Roa 03/19 45,870 ¥1,741,264
Suzuhara Lulu 03/27 47,289 ¥1,863,889
Warabeda Meiji 06/19 30,406 ¥2,790,447
Joe Rikiichi 06/26 43,418 ¥2,805,861
Hanabatake Chaika 07/03 41,640 ¥2,654,243
Mayuzumi Kai 07/10 69,384 ¥3,038,245
Maimoto Keisuke 07/22 67,515 ¥1,723,168
Ex Albio 08/08 68,695 ¥2,990,711
Kagami Hayato 08/10 132,381 ¥10,269,624
Ars Almal 08/14 76,407 ¥2,387,601
Debidebi Debiru 08/18 119,092 ¥2,846,906
Yorumi Rena 08/28 75,599 ¥2,594,634
Kana Sukoya 09/12 67,234 ¥3,883,547
Kakeru Yuemoi 10/09 49,764 ¥4,587,812
Sakura Ritsuki 10/16 47,971 ¥2,628,547
Hakase Fuyuki 10/23 68,187 ¥1,800,563
Nui Sociere 11/06 72,873 ¥2,508,047
Makaino Ririmu 12/04 56,781 ¥1,434,148
Uzuki Kou 12/16 54,864 ¥4,056,336
Hoshikawa Sara 12/19 86,419 ¥3,957,746
Saegusa Akina 12/25 73,005 ¥7,509,846
Fuwa Minato 06/04 ??? ????

2021
Kanda Shoichi 02/12 49,644 ¥2,912,489
Emma August 03/12 39,181 ¥1,241,889
Yuhi Riri 03/19 46,515 ¥2,036,826
Moria 03/27 27,859 ¥725,590
Fumino Tamaki 04/09 50,470 ¥2,511,839
Aiba Uiha 04/17 66,920 ¥2,225,236
Ratna Petit 05/09 48,915 ¥2,453,501
Aizono Manami 05/14 46,539 ¥1,241,597
Amamiya Kokoro 05/28 73,118 ¥2,838,543

Top 3 Peak views
Kagami Hayato 08/10 132,381 ¥10,269,624
Debidebi Debiru 08/18 119,092 ¥2,846,906
Hoshikawa Sara 12/19 86,419 ¥3,957,746

Top 3 SC
Kagami Hayato 08/10 132,381 ¥10,269,624
Saegusa Akina 12/25 73,005 ¥7,509,846
Kakeru Yuemoi 10/09 49,764 ¥4,587,812

Nijisanji 3D Debut

2020
Otogibara Eru 01/08 52,685 ¥3,899,908
Lize Helesta 01/22 60,200 ¥2,953,193
Ange Katrina 02/10 67,985 ¥3,861,854
Yashiro Kizuku 02/17 57,519 ¥1,178,735
Gundou Mirei 02/20 46,149 ¥1,984,094
Inui Toko 03/02 58,257 ¥3,074,279
Yuzuki Roa 03/19 45,870 ¥1,741,264
Suzuhara Lulu 03/27 47,289 ¥1,863,889
Warabeda Meiji 06/19 30,406 ¥2,790,447
Joe Rikiichi 06/26 43,418 ¥2,805,861
Hanabatake Chaika 07/03 41,640 ¥2,654,243
Mayuzumi Kai 07/10 69,384 ¥3,038,245
Maimoto Keisuke 07/22 67,515 ¥1,723,168
Ex Albio 08/08 68,695 ¥2,990,711
Kagami Hayato 08/10 132,381 ¥10,269,624
Ars Almal 08/14 76,407 ¥2,387,601
Debidebi Debiru 08/18 119,092 ¥2,846,906
Yorumi Rena 08/28 75,599 ¥2,594,634
Kana Sukoya 09/12 67,234 ¥3,883,547
Kakeru Yuemoi 10/09 49,764 ¥4,587,812
Sakura Ritsuki 10/16 47,971 ¥2,628,547
Hakase Fuyuki 10/23 68,187 ¥1,800,563
Nui Sociere 11/06 72,873 ¥2,508,047
Makaino Ririmu 12/04 56,781 ¥1,434,148
Uzuki Kou 12/16 54,864 ¥4,056,336
Hoshikawa Sara 12/19 86,419 ¥3,957,746
Saegusa Akina 12/25 73,005 ¥7,509,846

2021
Kanda Shoichi 02/12 49,644 ¥2,912,489
Emma August 03/12 39,181 ¥1,241,889
Yuhi Riri 03/19 46,515 ¥2,036,826
Moria 03/27 27,859 ¥725,590
Fumino Tamaki 04/09 50,470 ¥2,511,839
Aiba Uiha 04/17 66,920 ¥2,225,236
Ratna Petit 05/09 48,915 ¥2,453,501
Aizono Manami 05/14 46,539 ¥1,241,597
Amamiya Kokoro 05/28 73,118 ¥2,838,543
Fuwa Minato 06/04 ??? ????

Top 3 Peak views
Kagami Hayato 132,381
Debidebi Debiru 119,092
Hoshikawa Sara 86,419

Top 3 SC
Kagami Hayato ¥10,269,624
Saegusa Akina ¥7,509,846
Kakeru Yuemoi ¥4,587,812

>>4370948
I call BS. Pomu's MC stream broke 2200, and her Layers of Fear stream broke 3000, yet they aren't on this numberfag list at all.

>>4372297
cope

>>4370888
yay 1M!

>>4372297
>>4372036
It's live viewer counts not top viewers you dumb mongoloids. Vnuma only logs the top 25 so nijien doesn't even show up.

>>4372337
Seems you are the one coping by removing streams that fall outside your narrative. Seethe more, faggot.

>>4370803
Another 20k for Kanatan, she´s inclining!

>>4372390
And that 1164 was her lowest number when the stream was ending, so the holobrony cherrypicked it on purpose to make it look bad.

>>4372297
It's live viewers

The other tabs has the peak viewers but only for the top 25

>>4372272
Hayato's 3D debut was just next level

Has he ever stated how much he paid Takara Tomy to have Bolmeteus Steel Dragon in his debut?

>>4372431
Or he just took a picture and didn't know she was ending

Not everyone is out to get the Nijis

>>4372297
its live viewer. In that pic, Elira started her stream at 12 pm PDT and has been streaming for more than 2 hours (around 2 pm~ PDT). Pomu started hers at 10 am and it was 3 hours long. Do the maths.

ahhh, seeing nijifags seething at their inferior numbers always brighten my day, feels so good living as holochad.
i need to go now, i'll see you peps later.

>>4372589
Holochads up in here making millions and fucking bitches

>>4370803
RUSHIA LOVE

>>4372297
So that mean they are in mid tier of girls in Nijisanji. They doing good job i guess. But the numbers usually decline after 1 month. They have to collab to get good number. Vshojo is the only option right?

>>4373480
Can't wait for the inevitable Shartemis collab. Their roommates are all part of the same circle (including Miki since she is rumored for Wave 2).

>>4370803
Why the fuck you all just pick the top 12 instead of the entire top 25? When are you all going to understand it?

>>4372272
> Sara and Debiru at highest 3D debut viewers
where's the manjisanji faggot

>>4373744
It should only be top 10. Anything below the top 10 might as well be failures as far as I'm concerned.

>>4372272
Where's the numbers for 2019?

>>4373774
You are one of those retards. I bet you only watch vtubers that surpass 20k.

>>4372138
At least 40k.

>>4373480
Honeymoon phase lasts 3.5 months

>>4373809
Unironically yes. Why would I watch anybody who isn't good enough to draw an audience?

>>4373744
Becasue I only have a limited amount of screenspace, go look up the site if you want the full 25

>>4374198
You could just use two screenshots and then put them together as one. Or use the other comment to pu tthe other image.

>>4374224
I could but I don't wanna, do it yourself if you want it so badly

>>4374137
Based quality filter, empirical evidence suggests they suck for a reason.

>>4374332
Seriously

If the sub 20k shitter people try to shill was really that good wouldn't they easily get 20k viewers? I guess they aren't that good. Sounds logical to me.

>>4374357
That would imply that anything with a big audience is objectively good
Which would mean that YouTube kid videos are the peak of entertainment

>>4374357
You must love to play COD, Fifa, Pokemon and watch transformers. It's quite funny how in here the ones with bigger numbers are seen with the most quality.

>>4371775
That was Gwelu's program. This is his highest number for this year. His regular number doesn't even reach 10k, but he had 80k live viewers last year, when he held the one million yen rock-paper-scissors nijisanji tournament.

EN collab number is consistent. Gura usually brings around 14k, Ina 12k, Ame 8k, Mori 8k, and Kiara 4k. EN collabs can get lower or higher total number depending on the program. Watch-alongs perform the worst number everything else give similar number. EN audience is different from JP audience though. The majority of EN audiences are clipfags. Kiara's 4k VOD streams are pulling off similar number as 8k VOD JP streams.

>>4374940
You must also be one of those contrarian retards that like unpopular things because they are unpopular

>>4374940
None of them are as mainstream as the things you mentioned. Literal kids don't watch vtuber. High viewers and subscribers mean they're entertaining enough for people to watch them once and come back for more, not like the Nijis where they only do locustbait streams like that baseball collab. People just left when the stream was over and they didn't even superchat because they didn't care about the talents.

BEHOLD, MY PHONEPOSTING POWA

>phoneposting
Legitimately useful since scroll capture is easy af.

>>4375314
One of these days NijiEN will get to the top 25

Today is just not one of those days

>>4375314
>Pekora and Miko make up 40% of the top 10
The power couple of vtubing

>>4375339
With how saturated the market has became, they will need to do something unique consistently to bring in new fans while maintaining the loyalty of current fans. If it makes you feel better, their 15k debuts were in the top 25.

>>4375157
No, but it's just funny seeing how the behavior is different in here for streamers while with games and movies it's different with arguments like popularity isn't equal to quality

>>4375257
why the fuck are you even mentioning nijisanji to me? jesus christ, it's like you all were raped by a nijinigger to have this much trauma.

and idk if you saw but the only ones with an agency that compete with hololive in special events or daily is nijisanji. No other agency does. If you find it on 774, react, wactor, vaspo, live, vshojo and other you can show me.

>>4375314
Nice, a top 25!

Also, nui above kuzuha. where's the kuzuha fags and the manjisanji faggot?

>>4375832
The issue with that argument though is that it disregarda the base quality of the game/movie to be popular

Are people saying Marvel movies are comparable of quality to arthouse movies like Citizen Kane?

Of course not, but there is a certain quality to the Marvel Movies that make them popular compared to their contemporaries, like DC movies or why COD will forever be more popular than Battlefield or what have you

Just saying that "popularity=/=quality" forgoes the base quality that made them popular in the first place

Also, just because your oshi or your favourite Vtuber company isn't popular doesn't automatically mean that they are akin to arthouse films or artistic games that require 500 IQ to appreciate - sometimes they just suck.

>>4376436
Sometimes they just suck and sometimes they just haven't had that much exposure.
One of my favorite vsingers is in tsunderia and imo she fucking mogs almost every holo.
She has 12k subs.

>>4376693
If you truly think she is quality, she'll get her big break eventually

Also, which one? I only watch Purin and Slugma from Tsunderia

>>4370888
I guess the paid ads on Holo channels are over now

What the actual fuck happened here, the endurance stream hasn't even started. KFC bots?

>>4376693
I don't watch Tsunderia but maybe cause she has no personality? Chima of Nijisanji also can sing but her chink design is a huge debuff that's why she's always on the bottom of any rankings.

>>4376892
The one thing YouTube is good at is detecting bots, so no.
She already hit the 1m mark and went through review as well.
Kiara and Ina have been steadily gaining 4K subs a day recently.

>>4377006
Looking at trackholo.live since the outfit reveal she consistently was gaining 2 or 3k a day, sometimes even 1k. Now as soon as Ina hits a million it goes up to 5k? I guess Holotalk did okay but not enough to get that many, and to do it just before the endurance stream is weird.

>>4377179
YT Intern-kun here, I secrelty made her channel grow slower so that my Oshi gets to 1M first. You're welcome.

>>4376841
>>4376905
https://youtu.be/RiEPUOREsk4

>>4375339
Haha no these days to even rank on the top 25 you need at least 15k or so and the only time NijiEN even came close was during their debut. They'll have to unseat vshojo to even have a chance and that isn't happening anytime soon.

>>4370803
>Pekora getting 35k with just a run of the mill stream
SHES TOO POWERFUL

>>4375314
Today is not a good day for nijinigers. Beside of that Pekora literally outshine everybody. Her solo stream get more and more viewers.

>>4377179
This always happens when they near a milestone, Aqua got 8k in an hour back then.

Todays not looking good for nijiniggers....

>>4370803
>>4375314
next time take the screenshot after midnight jst, this is getting too messy and random.
Anyways, Luna couldnt even beat the weekly meme review, she must be feeling not so good.

>>4372272
>Saegusa Akina ¥7,509,846
>Kakeru Yuemoi ¥4,587,812
They're usually flops, what happened?

Can any numberfriend explain how matsuri is at 20k live while playing Apex of all things?

>>4379333
gacha buff

>>4379469
also playboard has it at $13k already, jesus fuck
https://playboard.co/en/video/n7EE_wuGnc0

>>4379514
any guesses how far she will get this time?

>>4379643
well it's gone up to 16k in the 5 minutes since the last post so a lot, goddamn gachafags are insane and matsurisu are the closest jp equivalent to kfp

Festival reached 2 million yen for noting and continuous

>>4379156
Nowadays there are two or three people taking these screenshots, one at around midnight jst and one at around noon jst.

>>4379691
Kfpniggers arent even a threat to top 10 holojp in sc

>>4380303
sure but they're both top 5 for mental illness easily
27k now, does any gachafag here know how much she's actually spending on this stream?

>>4379156
>>4380106
I'm the usual Top25 poster that takes the screens at around midnight JST. I just used that screen to shitpost how easy it is to screengrab a full ranking. Hell, on PC I just enter full screen zoom out and then screengrab.

>>4380106
>>4380751
Please post at ~4AM JST instead, otherwise we end up with late streams from the day before still in the chart

>>4380810
No can do, that's 5am local time for me. You'll have to do it yourself if you want it that bad.

This is the biggest ASMR buff I've ever seen holy shit lmao

>>4380810
I can do that if I remember. I'm an ESTchad so it's pretty much afternoon for me.

>>4381014
Who?

>>4381323
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP3pDau1JBOukp4AjyFCgHQ

The mogging today is delicious.

>reddit shit everywhere
welp vtubing is dead, cya boys gonna just go back and watch twitch, no difference now, was okay while it lasted

>>4375339
Never going to happen.

>>4383499
>vtubing is dead
imagine actually believing this, at the current rate of growth cover is gonna be the next fucking disney.

>>4370888
i thought the niji en cover had more views?
when did they get overtaken?

>>4383499
cope and seethe

jesas

>>4383782
>gets 3D stream amounts of sc without the work or cost of one
>can repeat at least once a year
man seeing this and thinking back on all the Matsuri doomposting just cracks me up

>>4383499
As expected from Reddit shit post review dominating every single week since it's inception and making nijifags seeth.

>>4383782
so does this count as an apex stream, a gacha stream or a zatsudan?

>>4383603
Reading this make me want Pekoland to become a reality.

>>4383911
>can repeat at least once a year
yeah and the rest
>>4383946
gacha stream for sure, she played the actual game a little at the end of the stream and half the viewers left lmao

also bear in mind playboard takes a while to process supas so there's a good chance the number could still get higher

>>4384048
idk, pekora said she poos out cotton candy and that's the food sold in pekoland.
do you really want to eat pekora's poop?

>no Niji in the top streams whatsoever
You know what? I'm going to be honest here. Shitting on Nijisanji was fun because they can kinda fight back to some degree. Shitting on them now is the same as me shitting on 774 or indies that don't have connection with Holo. It's like I'm bullying disabled kid. Which is not cool at all. They're trying their best doing what they can out there, shitting on their effort doesn't feel right.

Calli still feeling aftereffects of the TTRPG stream?

>>4384183

Video view numbers.

>>4384357
Nice try nijinigger
U will be shat on until all of urs talentless irrelevant whores and faggots graduate

Expecting another very quiet day from the manjisanji nigger

>>4384713
The boys win again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNgVknQ69cc

>no niggersanji in top10
Another day of holo dominance
Though recently its every day
Feels good to be a holochad

Seethe and cope, nijishit

>>4384713
Good
Time to graduate manjiniggers from livestreaming

>>4384813
Cope

>>4384713
What in the criteria is this shit. Either way those are still pathetic vod numbers. I can't believe someone would rank mediocrity like this.

>>4384357
>It's like I'm bullying disabled kid
kek you got me here

>>4384931
Holoalt mv gets more daily views than half this trash combined

>>4384713
Sure you will post this again tomorrow, right?

>>4384428
OJOU LOVE!

>>4384428
Gura is a monster jesus christ

>>4384931
Cope

>>4384428
>doesn't stream for 2 weeks
>still stomps every other JP
How does Ojou do it?

>>4376436
Popularity always equals quality. If something is good people will watch it, simple as. People vote the stongest with their money and time. Sorry, but your vtuber with less than 1 million subs is there for a reason. They probably aren't very good.

>>4385401
Objectively wrong, popularity determines how much it appeals to the wider public. You could say that the public defines what "quality" is, but it only will work as "what vtuber is worth to watch" if you have a similar taste to the wider public
However, my opinions are also objectively superior compared to the wider public's, and the only factor that matters when it comes to defining quality is my enjoyment. Hence why popularity little matters unless you're a NPC

no numbers today?

>>4385346
Ayame creates artificial scarcity for her own voice/streams so people are more excited when she comes back.

>>4383782
mother of matsuri...

>>4384713
>>4384759
>CHRONOIR
CHRONOIR
>CHRONOIR
CHRONOIR

>>4384787
Its amazing how far Niji has fallen. I am now comfortable placing them 3rd behind vshojo now as far as overall vtubing agencies go.

1. Hololive
2. Vshojo
3. Nijisanji

Here's your numbers for today

>>4385401
>Popularity always equals quality
Absolutely NPC post.

>>4385916
Niggersanji cope in 3...2...1...

>>4385916
At this point I just feel bad for Nijisanji, they can't even compete anymore.

>>4385916
But EN is stronger than JP.
How?

>>4385883
It's been the consensus for a while now that Vshojo has been doing better than them, on the English side. Not sure about Jp.

>>4385916
The meme review with Moona was unexpectedly good, Moona love

>>4385916
Nijisanji doko?

>>4385883
>Hololive
>Vshojo
>both don't have males
unicorns win again

>>4386113
There are just a lot of jap/korean/SEA/chink men that buy into the idol culture formula and if you don't follow that formula you will miss out on them. The western simpshit is different and is just big because twitch is so big to begin with.

>>4385346
She has unironically gotten a huge EOP boost over the last two months. She is one of the most talked about and meme'd holos over on reddit.

>>4385916
Peko as strong as always

>>4385676
Just because you enjoy the tast of drinking piss doesn't mean it is good to do. If you watch vutbers with less than 1 million subs or 15k average viewers you are basically drinking piss.

>>4372272
Im glad that ars almal is being successful, she deserves it

>>4385916
>collab stream with 3 of Niji's "best" singers
>even had a holo boost since Suisei was there
>can't even beat Miko being a degenerate and betting on horse races
Holo shit

>Apex bad
>but not if Nijis stream it!
I hate this board so fucking much

>>4384357
Nah, fuck'em
They did the same thing when we shared threads in /vyt/
Laugh and point as much as you want, it's their turn to recieve the pecks

>>4386311
Falseflagger, who are you quoting?

Can we split this thread into two, one numberfag thread for deeper analysis and predictions etc., and a daily chart thread where you faggots can circlejerk about niji vs holo until your cocks fall off?

Jesus, I follow Vtubers for fun content, not to stick to a team and cheer the others to fail.

>>4385916
im so glad with each passing day manjisanji slowly but surely fade into irrelevancy, manjisanji is a shitty vtubing company and people is starting to realize that and move over to the better company, hololive.
manjisanji is a stain in vtubing industry, the fact that they're the 2nd biggest vtubing company in japan disgusts me, i hope they go bankrupt so up and coming vtubing startup doesn't follow their footsteps on how to manage a vtubing company.
hololive should be the industry standard for creating vtubing company.

>>4386373
you are free to start one anon

>>4386373
This

>>4386311
literally no one says this, kys

>>4385346
She's the mc of Hologra.

>>4386379
If you want a hugbox, reddit is over there, faggot

>>4386379
Use reddit.
This is the schizo website.

>>4385916
>Double Marine stream
nice

>>4386216
>Just because you enjoy the tast of drinking piss doesn't mean it is good to do
By the opinion of who?
>wider public
Discarded, little do I care about the opinion of plebeians
If you want to kneel to the masses, that's up to you, anon, but don't project your humiliation fetish on others

>>4386462
Marine is hooked deep with Subnautica. It's hitting all of her buttons and she said she wants to stream it as much as possible because otherwise she will just play it offstream a lot

>>4386513
>and she said she wants to stream it as much as possible because otherwise she will just play it offstream a lot
kek she´s addicted

>>4386513
Her little squeals of joy every time the computer calls her captain is something you have to experience

>>4386486
>dont care about the opinion of the wider public
seems like like this fella clicked on the wrong thread.
this is the number thread anon, not the quality content thread.

>>4384754
ah Hima finally get to her old numbers.

>>4386379
don't take it too seriously. Retards are just being retards for the sake of it.

Do we have a top 10 superchat chart for the year so far?

>>4385916
a more complete list

>>4386379
You lack motivation

>>4386779
I can put one together in a couple of days when this months numbers get aggregated

>>4386861
Please do and thank you.

>>4385916
>>4386811
kanatan INCLINING, but we already knew that

>>4386900
>>4385916
KANAKANA LOVE

>>4386811
Talk about numbers, today is weekend so the numbers is higher than normal. Beside all the collab Pekora still dominated with her solo stream. Ui had a Birthday stream so her number is higher. Its seem very normal day with nothing special. The only thing noticeable is Hololive EN collab. Even with Gura in it they only have 33k. Its pretty low.

>>4386486
This is the number thread anon and we are the ultimate chads who only care about the numbers you can bring to the table. If you want to jerk off over your sub 15k indie and act like they are worth a damn then go to your hugbox thread or go to reddit. You obviously can't handle the power of this thread.

If you have a stream that gets 20k views than that stream is a million times better than a stream that got 19k views. That is how we live here and ya better get used to it or get burned in the pursuit of ever bigger numbers.

I live by the numbers, I die by the numbers. Numbers aren't everything, they are the ONLY thing.

>>4387462
The EN collab might have been higher but it started 3 hours earlier than the scheduled time with only a last second announcement letting people know.

>>4387489
based numberfag

>>4387462
>4M+ total subs count
>less than 1% live viewers
EN whores not pulling their weights

shitposting aside, its definitely interesting why EN doesnt perform as well in collabs compared to how well the main branch does. the TTRPG collab last week only gets about 30k ish as well iirc.
I suspect they are just that awful chemistry wise.

>>4387815
EN has too many autists and the one non-autist is polarizing as fuck

>>4387815
Time zones and Gura's fanbase might as well not even know Hololive exists.
There's also the live view "bug" that mostly effects western streamers if you subscribe to that theory.

>>4387815
I kinda doubt its the chemistry that is problem, compared to JP who have 1 primetime, EN have 4 timezone with no real prime time

Oh no no no run faster Kizuna Ai

>>4387815
Its probaby due to how much more overlapped the EN viewerbase is considering the smaller amount of holos compared to JP. If ure one the ~10k that are regularly watching or following ina/amelia's streams, ure probably also one of ~30k Gura's regular viewers as well.
Thats probably why collabs between JP members gets better viewership boosts. large number of holos equals less potential overlapping viewerbase equals to more potential watchers for collabs.

>>4387815
EN has three problems

1. There's no more surprises with Myth they've become predictable. We know the limits of their creative potential.

2. Complacency. They're at the top so they don't have to try that hard. Complacency is why something like Neko-Guras rigging got a pass, if no one complained they would've left it unfixed. Its not even fully fixed now, just partially enough to stop people from complaining.

3. There's only five EN so far and three of them are constantly busy with irl issues. If one misses a stream its a big deal. One, people complain about dead hours, and two hungry up-and-comers get an opportunity to steal their audience.

Seriously, if EN2 come out with a bland set of multitalented girls busy with irl issues, it will be more of the same.

>>4387815
its because theres literally only 5 of them

>>4388445
>>4388422
>>4388405
>>4387971
fair enough

>>4384428
Based on the current growth, Gura gains 6k subs per day, so she'll reach 3M in 40 days, but I believe she will reach 3M faster than 40 days. Her birthday is in 20 days, and if she releases her singles during this period, then she should reach 3M within 30 days.

>>4385916
Damn Holo totally slayed it today.

>>4387815
EN lacks a MC like Fubuki or Mio

>>4387462
EN collab has a cap of around 45k live audience divided as follow:

Gura: 13k-15k
Ina: 11k - 13k
Mori: 8k
Ame: 7k - 9k
Kiara: 4k

Whenever EN does a collab, you can add these numbers to get a general estimation on how the collab will perform.

>>4385916
I can't numberfag to this anon-chama, it's too pitiful to look at. How can I numberfag to something this catastrophically one sided. Where are the saviourfags when you need them, niji is declining so much that they are in need of your services. The hololive incline continues it seems.

>>4370948
haruka karibu gets 1k+ consistent viewers, this shit must have been snapshotted like 2 minutes after she went live
same shit for the nijien and froot peaked at almost 6k viewers yesterday
nice chart faggot

>>4385916
Miko and Polka´s collab was actually funny

>>4390546
Ultimately there's only one number that matters, if Cover makes more profit than Anycolor/Ichikara then the battle is over. Until then any claims of Nijisanji being dead are embarrassingly wrong.

>>4384754
Funny how manjisanji retard disappear at those times.

>>4386393
I can't believe someone posts this kind of thing while being serious.

>>4386379
If you like other vtuber companies, this is the worst part of the internet to be in. You're only going to have a good time if you only watch hololive.

>>4386302
I hope you know that this was a Noripro stream. lol

>>4390870
The decline is perfectly visible cope-chama. The once mighty niji is being heavily embarrassed and completely overshadowed here. Don't be a blindfag at the currently presented numbers.

>>4375501
>they will need to do something unique
They can afford it but the foreign department doesn't want to

>>4370948
fucking lapped by bald texan guy

>>4390897
Because there are only Hololive streams on the chart. When Niji doesn't even bother to show up it's pretty hard to dunk on them.

>>4386393
Absolutely based. Kick the nijiniggers while they are down. Keep the boot on their neck. I hope all the male nijis are left homeless on the side of the street and I hope all the female nijis are forced to become cheap street whores just to make some money. Words can't describe how much I hate Nijisanji. Pure hatred.

5/23 - 5/30 numbers, HoloJP is strong

>>4393465
The bait is too obvious anon, you have to tone it down to trigger a decent reaction.

>>4393605
Considering Niji has such a huge advantage in pure numbers the fact that Hololive beat them by like 6 million views is kind of insane.

>>4393605
Correct me if I am wrong with my rune reading.
>Company/Channels/Videos/Subs/Views

>>4393605
i can't read shit in that so i will just assume that hololive completely obliterate nijisanji as usual. how do you cope nijikeks?

>>4393605
not gonna lie, its pretty impressive how many views they can get having only 1/3 of chuubas in comparison with Nijisanji

>>4393605
25% less video uploads. 33% more views... Too strong...

>>4394190
Correct

>>4394721
And that is directly holoJp vs nijiJp branches, where Niji is strongest and dominates.

>>4394920
Yep, if you include the foreign branches it becomes even more lopsided in favor of Hololive.

>>4393882
Check again it's 16 million, not 6 million.

>>4395242
Oh shit you are right, lol. That makes it even more insane.

the numbers thread that exists on 6/12 is gonna turn into shit im sure.

>>4395775
Why?

>>4394920
>>4394980
i think nijisanji is done at this point, how do they even recover? hololive just destroyed them from every angles every sides

>>4393605
Why is upd8 in the list? Didn't they closed in November or December of the past year? Is it counting VTubers that were working for upd8 and now they are indies?

>>4395933
Hey there is no shame in being #2.

>>4395874
Niji sponsored apex tournament with Hal and some pro-players. One of two things is gonna happen

>Nijisanji gets a higher peak viewership than Gura's new outfit reveal and Nijifags will unleash a level of numberfaggotry like no other after getting bullied for weeks while Holofags will cope saying iT DoEznT cOunt LOLZ

>It doesn't get past Gura's Outfit reveal and Holofags will unleash a level of numberfaggotry like no other and Nijifags will cope and seethe more than usual.

Either way, it's gonna be a glorious shitstorm

>>4396374
#3 with VShojo.

>>4396736
There is no way in hell it comes close to Gura outfit levels.
Apex is slowly starting to die out and it doesn't pull the numbers it used to.

>>4396736
im fucking ready

>>4396736
This exactly, that day expect many falseflags just for trolling no matter the outcome.

>>4396858
I normally would agree with you but this seems to be a big deal or at least that's the impression I'm getting based on previous threads. Not really into APEX but Niji is supposedly going to be inviting some top tier pro talents and with the addition of HAL this "should" draw numbers. Whether its as big of a deal as some people say it is, we'll just have to wait and see.

>>4395775
Who cares this thread is always shit

Entertainment industry is basically always like this. You will have times where you will be less relevant but eventually you'll rise back up. Even in Hololive case, they are relevant now but eventually they still stagnante and the stage will shift to Niji again.

>>4396736
I'm personally going to wait if Vnuma or Panora Tokyo puts it on their leaderboard

Not every event with a Vtuber in it seems to be included for example TV appearances of Vtubers dont get included in such sites despite them reaching hundreds of thousands of viewers

>>4397017
Who's channel will it be on?

>>4396736
When will the event start/end exactly? i might need to request a day off work for this shitstorm.

>>4397050
Not exactly. I think its more rare to have a company that's been eclipsed to bounce back. What tends to happen is a new contender suddenly appears from out of nowhere and unsits the reigning incumbent. It happened with Upd8. It happened with Enikara. It will probably happen to Hololive (eventually)

>>4397017
Is it like the previous tournaments where talents each have their own stream or will it all be streamed on one channel

>>4397126
Nijisanji official Ch. I believe

>>4397238
Anycolor isn't be dethroned yet. Hololive is just creeping up slowly but surely, but who knows if it'll actually lead anywhere.

>>4397050
>shift back to Niji again
see the trends anon, both Niji and Holo are japanese companies, the one to dethrone them is going to be a western or maybe even chinese one - some company who really knows how to appeal to the masses, in exchange of completely disregarding and ruining the industry that we currently enjoy.

>>4397071
It's on the official Niji channel, it'll be included

>>4396736
I'm going to say right now that this event should not count as a Nijisanji, or even a vtuber event at all. Sure, it features vtubers, but it also features non-vtubers, as well as vtubers from many different non Nijisanji agencies (including Hololive). Nijiniggers bragging about this is total cope on their parts for the above stated reasons.

>>4397282
Should they even be proud of that? It's apex tournament with different pros and vtubers not affiliated with Nijisanji. Even if it gets high numbers, it's not because the draw is Niji but the people that aren't related to Niji. If it's a niji exclusive tournament then feel free to gloat when it does the numbers. But if it's a tournament with a lot of famous people then it's not saying much about the talents of Niji themselves.

>>4397339
It will be a chinese company disguising as a japanese/western company.

>>4397315
AnyColor has been dethroned since the middle of 2020 dude. Where you been?

>>4397047
This thread is a necessity for /vt/ to contain most of the numberfaging in one place or else it would constantly stain the other threads.

>>4397448
They are still pulling in money and the tech is way better.

>>4397468
A few weeks ago we actually had good numberfagging with anons making charts and spreadsheets to analyze things, now it's just retarded console wars and shit flinging

>>4397440
Yea I agree, but I bet they'd do it by simply buying an entire company like either Cover, Ichikara or even Vshojo. Either that or they go poaching some of their biggest figures, and the old company crumbles from the inside out.

>>4397523
discussion tends to be good at the end/beginning of the month when the monthly metrics come out. Making these threads daily means you eventually run out of numbers to talk about and turn to shit posting.

Not that I'm complaining. I love the chaos.

>>4397476
You just can't buy your way to popularity. Nijisanji is definitely not dead, but they dont hold the crown anymore, since an year like that anon said.

>>4397403
Nijifags were smug as hell when they got FLOW to be a part of their concert and then started coping when not only did Bloom have a higher total of retweets but the actual Nijisanji content was expectedly overshadowed by FLOW on twitter. They're for sure gonna count this.

>>4397440
Most likely a company backed by Bilibili so they have the tech and they will pay bigger paychecks to talents that join them. Then they can just buy some clippers and farm the algorithm while placing ads all over youtube. It will kill the momentum of the japanese companies and they will step into the void and replace them. Welcome to the world of chinese vtubing. Say Taiwan!

>>4397476
Based off their financials, HoloALT and such Yagoo is basically staying small scale private and working on a mega project betting the farm to try and reap the profits himself. If that doesn't pan out quickly enough for them they'll call for outside money. That or there is some weird timing thing for Japanese funding rounds and they will have a massive 2021 buy in soon.

>>4397523
I'll post the views/time stuff tomorrow, im finishing it right now.

>>4397560
A chinese company buying Cover will basically cause a shitstorm that not much will be left of the community. Nijisanji will be smart to work with bilibili now. They have the talents and Bilibili will just supply the money and numbers.

>>4397623
>backed by Bilibili
hm, if Jewtube was any smart they'd do something to stop them then

>>4397629
or he just doesnt care, is simply incompetent, and pulls all the income straight into his pocket

>>4397697
The holoalt hiring call could be anything from a genshin clone to club penguin but he is trying to make a in house cash cow game, presumably gacha

>>4397686
Twitch is literally tripping over their own cock and balls for years at this point and youtube still hasn't done anything. No chances to UI, chat is still in beta testing with that antibot thing and clipping is just beginning to be tested on select channels.

You wanna know what Hololive needs to do to increase merch sales? Say it with me.....
....

HOLOLIVE
POP
VINYLS

>>4397697
if Yagoo succeeds he will literally spend all the money to make a HoloAfrica branch, that huge saviorfag. And yes, HoloES counts as africa too..

>>4397720
It's has some thought behind it. If talents eventually graduate, they can still use the models and stuff for their games and the talents can still come back and voice act as the characters for some quick cash. So technically you can expect the hololive girls to never be gone for good unless something major happens.

>>4397821
tasukete niggerman....

>>4397697
Nah. It's a definite gamble, but its a very logical thing to do. Vtubing should not be the end game for these companies. The dream basically is to pull a Nasu and basically create a self-sustaining IP that is not dependant on one specific media-type. If Yagoo pulls this off (which is going to be very fucking hard to do even with Hololive's popularity), he basically wins point blank and would basically open up a new age for chuubas

>>4397836
>>4397877

Yagoo is basically aiming for the Gaben angle right now, otherwise there would be piles of money flowing into hololive given their size to number ratio. Their current model is shopping out their impressive number brand for collabs and keeping finance in house. If Yagoo wanted to sell out it would have likely already happened.

>>4397877
Just thinking about how nasu built that empire makes my dick hard. But even that took about a decade. We are lucky is chuubas last that long so I don't see how this gamble would pay off quickly.

>>4396858
The last twitch APEX tournament hosted by DETONATOR got 400k+ peak live viewers, but on this tournament, DETONATOR, so far, only sends members with less than 2k live viewerships. Hololive sends Matsuri and Towa as tradition has it.

DETONATOR participants (so far):
Mukai (~1.5k):
https://twitchtracker.com/dtn_mukai
Akito (less than 500):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOwZcv3nIVGdM1rAr3M1NvQ
Leia (less than 1k):
https://twitchtracker.com/fps_leia
Surugamonkey0113 (~1.5k):
https://twitchtracker.com/surugamonkey0113
Alelu (~1.5k):
https://twitchtracker.com/alelu
Go_Tsukishima (less than 1k):
https://twitchtracker.com/go_tsukishima

With the current participants, we can expect live viewership to hit 100k, but to get 200k, Niji will need to invite more high profile streamers (10k+ live audience) with the last 6 spots...

>>4397877
all of that has nothing to do with actual vtubers and their livestreaming content

>>4398111
I'm sure it'll do just fine. The validity of it is just kind of iffy.

Eh, is Nijisanji trying to attract even more apexautists for their main audience really a good idea?

>>4396736
called nijipex, but only 20+ nijis participating. Its a win for big numbers but a loss for nijis. They are getting leeched by pro/normie streamers kek. Apex with vtubers vs Apex with pro players.

>>4398173
I know that, but this is Yagoo trying to make Hololive more than just a "Vtuber company". The same way that Nasu succesfully made fate more than just a "VN with aquatic based sex scenes"

>>4398173
Yes
But ultimately the only number that actually matters is the one with a ¥ in front of it

>>4388405
>>4388422
>>4387971
Cope

you guys put a lot of fate into 50 years old yakuza

>>4398074
Chuubas have already been popular for 5 years now and have only gotten bigger over the years. They have proven to have staying power.

>>4398173
>all of that has nothing to do with actual vtubers and their livestreaming content
an actually sustainable business model would unironically usher a new age of vtubing anonchama.
if the HoloAlt concept successfully shows that investment in a vtuber IP doesnt necessarily relies solely on the talent and their activities, high value production committees will be more likely to consider the medium as a desirable avenue of investment.

>>4398456
I mean hololive chuubas in yagoos company since that's what he's "aiming" for. The chuubas from 5 years ago are definitely not as relevent now. If he's planning to do something for hololive and not chuubas in general, then hololive will have to be relevent for a long time too

>>4393605
I think stuff like this just shows Hololive is objectively more popular than Nijisanji, even if they hold big ass tournaments or keep adding new members they will just fade away because they just aren't entertaining

>>4398513
Make a game with decent storyline ->Create some spin-off manga series -> Produce official anime -> Make multiple games off that anime -> Sell more merch. At some point you don't even need chuubas to stream anymore. They can stream just once a week and viewers can still interact with them through all the other media types.

>>4398560
If they can release a decent quality in house gacha game by the end of 2022 that would basically be a money printer. However they have to have no yabs and decent jp/en gens for a year and a half.

>>4398647
They are entertaining, just overshadowed by the bright and shiny new toys.

>>4398682
If they want to they can pull it off with 2 more generation until 2022 then announce a 3rd gen close to the game's release to hype up the company more. In terms of yabs...well if management is getting stricter, then it could limit yabs but at the risk of reducing entertainment to let people ride the chuuba wave until 2022.

Only one spot left. I'd call the event a success if they can get 150k peak live viewership.

>>4398665
>They can stream just once a week and viewers can still interact with them
I Seriously hope it never comes to that point. The chuubas should always still be the main attraction or you risk some dumbass from upper management trying to pull a gamebu thinking that fans will be alright with it.

>keeps pushing for apex tournaments
>why do my audience only wants to watch apex?

>>4398830
>Towa and Matsuri
If Astel really that much of a sperg? He is easily the best Apex player in HoloPro yet he doesn't get invited to these.

>>4398665
Based off what Yagoo said, he wants a VR space where you can attend live concerts, now imagine if there was a rudimentary game attached to that, and a gacha where your rolls paid your oshi money. Additionally the girls themselves could appear in game and hang out with their fans as their character.

>>4398830
Definitely over 200k. Shibuya Hal, Kuzuha, Kanae, virtual gorilla. All big draws and especially for apex. It's over for Holofags.

>>4398711
Nah they are shit, how do you lose a monopoly over the industry this badly, they are rotting, this apex tournament might give people the false impression that they are popular but it is just a fad, >>4393605 they are fucking garbage

>>4398665
how is all of that a good thing? im here to watch vtubers, not for some corporate wankery

>>4398346
Hmm...? Anon, what are you saying, all of these were from events that had pros except for the two on the top

>>4398993
Never said it was a good thing. But if it's going off the nasu route that the previous anon said, it'll likely be down this path.

>>4398884
Ayame...
Shion yo...

>>4399060
At some point they have to graduate to make room for new gens. If you aren't using your timeslots to stream then give it to new talents that actually use the time.

>>4398958
do you know japanese?

>>4398513
Just look at the Uma Musume chuuba as an example. The company made a chuuba to promote their gacha game and products with successful growth in all fronts. Now other anime series and companies alike are starting or planning the same with experienced seiyuu because it works for business.
I see Yagoo trying for this effect coming from the other side, from having chuubas to creating the game/series.

>>4399110
What timeslots, the fuck are you talking about? Those two bring in more money than the likes of Aki and Mel despite barely streaming, and nobody needs to graduate, even the absolutely lowest Holo still makes Cover money

>>4399144
I know that Nijisanji is garbage and that nijiniggers are full of shit

>>4399182
>Aki
>Mel
speaking of graduation..

>>4399248
kek

>>4398955
>Shibuya Hal, Kuzuha, Kanae, virtual gorilla

https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1349899106471313408

The last tournament by HAL not only had Kuzuha, Kanae and Gorilla but also Ayame (10k+ live viewership) and Shion (10k+ live viewership), and it got only 110k. Nijisanji will need to invite shaka or stylishnoob4 for the last spot to even has a small chance of hitting 200k.

Speaking of which, why did Ayame and Shion stop playing Apex? Im not complaining though

>>4398897
Just wait for all the constant apex streams as training sessions for the tournament.

What do Ichikara get in return from the apex tournament if their vtubers would fall into irrelevancy again after 2 days?

>>4399468
They get to collab with the apex esports people and hopefully leech a few bored jap zoomers into their fold, thats about it

>>4399468
They can put in their employment page how they hold the most live viewer vtuber stream, nijifags always liked jerking off their numbers before hololive became popular

>>4399538
Lol

>>4399538
Hololive has really taken everything that Nijiniggers hold dear, lol. It's awesome. They even destroyed them on twitter, hahahaha.

>>4399468
If they can impress some regular pro player viewers of apex, they could potentially gain more views for their chuubas apex streams.

>>4399538
Any colors really loves numbers huh.

>>4399380
Last one wasn't hosted by Detonator which the other anon said had 400k+ viewers

>>4399579
They'll bounce back...i'm sure...

>>4399538
Lmao how does it feel nijinigs? Seethe and cope faggots
This is for Aloe, bitches

>>4399616
Nijishits are the og numberfags and liked annoying everyone by saying how popular nijisanji is, you can occasionally spot them jerking off nijisanji.

>>4399616
This bragging rights are important for investors.

>>4399619
Yeah but that one actually featured super high level pros, was on twitch, and didn't feature chuubas. Normies aren't going to watch a bunch of anime characters play Apex, especially if they have to watch it on the Nijisanji channel on youtube. Normies don't even know what a Nijisanji is, lol.

>>4393882
>>4394721
It's not like that. Most hololive stream many times per week. That's not the case in Nijisanji where 4 don't stream for months and even years and others stream less than 10 or 5 times per month. So while they do have more members, only half of them stream a lot. There's a lot of context in those numbers that you guys seem to ignore or forget.

>>4393362
I was talking about the amamiya 3D debut number in first place you retard.

>>4399741
incredible post, wrong on every single word and point

>>4399799
>more videos uploaded in a month, less views gained in the same month
did you even try reading that table?

>>4399741
These are Japan normies not western normies.

>>4399799
Even so, the numbers chart shows that Nijisanji still put out nearly 100 more videos/streams than Hololive in the time period yet got 16 million fewer views.

>>4399843
If it was a male it would get more views so I don't see your point

>>4398926
That's because he barely has any connections. Once he starts playing with more people, he'll start getting invited to these tournaments.

>Nijisanji brings a bunch of normies of vtubing
>they all switch to hololive because nijisanji is shit

Nice

>>4394920
>>4394980
Except HoloJP numbers have tons of eops going to it unlike Nijisanji JP and you know it. Those comparisons between them don't even make sense. It makes more sense comparing React, 774 and Nijisanji jp than niji x holo due to how their public is complete different, with those I mentioned before almost if not all japanese while hololive is japanese and a large number of overseas.

>>4396817
That's not true.

>>4397404
It's a tournament with mostly nijisanji vtubers and funded by nijisanji.

>>4399468
Felt they're on the losing side investing on the apex tournament. Did they even capitalize their popularity back in 2019/2020 aside from merch? For all the shit cover did, I give them credit on making holoAlt as a future project. Anime, Manga, Light novels and games are always welcome.

>>4399895
Except it's not wrong
>>4399926
If you don't think a ton of western apex playing normies didn't contribute to that 400k+ you are insane. Besides, despite the numbers they put up most normie japanese would call you a fucking nerd for watching Nijisanji, Hololive, or any chuuba for that matter.

>>4399974
nobody will ever give a damn about that boring faggot
unless he magically gets some incredible numbers on his own, then people might try to leech of him

>>4397403
>>4397618
Of course it should. Most in there are going to be nijisanji members, including members with high viewership.

Towa and Matsuri barely will bring anythiing considering how many westerns ignore those tournaments, how matsuri fans hate apex and how towa's numbers aren't that big.

And the others invited aren't that big either except for Shibuya Hal.

>>4398111
Hololive didn't send towa or matsuri, they were invited by the captains of nijisanji.

>>4400022
>featured super high level pros
it didnt
>was on twitch
it wasnt
>didn't feature chuubas
it did

>>4400148
Wrong on every part. We must be talking about different tournaments.

Nijisanji really is the biggest leech in the industry

>>4400193
lurk more holoeop

>>4398248
This is just an apex tournament, not "their main audience". This is like saying that minecraft is the main audience of hololive because they made stuff in there for events.

>>4398897
Only like 10 of 103 stream apex a lot.

THis is also the first time Nijisanji made an apex event. They are not going to ban their vtubers from playing it or joining tournaments.

>>4400304
Anon are you trying to beat the record of how many posts you can make on the same thread?

>>4399538
>>4399564
>>4399579
>>4399616
>>4399678
>>4399696
My god, you're all extremely childish. There really is no way to discuss seriously about numbers on here without this incessant hate on nijisanji.

>>4400072
Not every vtuber is a leech like the holowhores.

>>4400235
Just another tournament... not that promising then if they want to reach a new stream record for chuubas.

>>4399932
Nijisanji JP only have Japan. Hololive JP has the entire world. How is that any surprising?

I don't know why you all really try those points at this point when all vtuber agencies only have jp viewers while holo jp has overseas as well boosting their numbers.

NijiJP or any JP agency (not that the others even reach these numbers niji does, unfortunately) most of the times will be behind for that fact alone.

>>4400448
>noooo all hololive numbers are invalid because they have foreign viewers
>NIJISANJI NUMBER ONE NIJISANJI NUMBER ONE LEECH APEX TOUNAMENT

Nah you lot are just annoying

>>4400536
Do they actually want to have that record? This seems like a delusional thing of this thread about numbers just because it's a nijisanji event. It's not because an event is made that it's trying to do something like that.

Why are holofags so obsessed with nijisanji?

>>4400566
Next thing you know we start separating SCs and memberships by regions.

>>4399443
Monster hunter dropped

Looks like some nipfag just woke up on his bad side and decided to start spamming replies here, kek

>>4400566
>Nijisanji JP only have Japan
So Nijisanji blocks foreign IPs from viewing their streams? Honestly didn't know that.

>>4400639
Yeah >>4399538 >>4399564 they do

>>4400579
See? Very childish. There's no discussion on here without incessant hate and tribalism.

And no on is saying hololive numbers are invalid, just saying that holo jp has that advantage while no other jp agency has it, so the numbers of course will generally be bigger. I don't know how you can read that and think I'm making fun or something.

>>4400687
I bet he spends his entire day seething at hololive one upping his beloved shitsanji >>4400566
>NijiJP or any JP agency (not that the others even reach these numbers niji does, unfortunately) most of the times will be behind for that fact alone.

Nijiniggers really are full of shit

they recently held a mahjong tournament and will have a bomberman one in upcoming days
nijisanji simply loves organizing such competitions and this apex party is no different

>>4399799
that seems more like a management problem, dont expect statistics to consider who streams and who doesnt. Thats why they shouldn't have hire so much chuubas or at least get a better contract with them next time

>>4400700
Anon, how retarded you can be? Nijisanji JP has 99% of their audience being japanese. Nijisanji is niche in the west, unlike hololive, so they get no boost for overseas. If there's even 1k overseas it's already too much, whereas in hololive it's much bigger than that.

>>4400713
No, they don't really seem to. When your company holds records of course you're going to put it. This is for investors. I doubt they had some thing before that they were going to hit those records. They just put in there when they reached that.

>>4400745
Nijishit has been shilling itself on leddit and trying to get foreign viewers, it didn't work, they just suck.

>>4400566
Honestly, now that Nijisanji has an EN branch they have spread worldwide just as much as Hololive has. This argument is no longer valid. Now it isn't just "Nijisanji only being in Japan" as much as it is "Nijisanji just isn't that interesting".

>>4400566
>Nijisanji only have Japan
Are you admitting no one here in 4chan and such watches Nijisanji yet talk about them all the time?

>>4400745
Cope nijinigger all your irrelevant faggot whores are just about to go out in a streak of graduations
Seethe and cope

>>4400566
according to that table, holo vids generates about 210k views each vid while niji does about 120k. even if all those niji views are from 100% pure blooded nipponese, you'd need to argue that at least 43% of every holo streams viewers are from filthy foreigners to claim nijis still holds the crown for JP viewers.

>>4400912
pekoras viewers are 50%+ overseas and her chat is mostly jap
so we can safely asume towa, astel, aki and other eop magnets are 70-80%+

>>4400072
He gets more viewers sometimes than some of the people invited.

>>4400852
You didn't give any argument against them no caring about numbers nijinigger
>>4399538
>>4399564
I quoted it again just for you

>>4400852
My argument isn't that NijiJP's audience isn't 99% japanese because it clearly is. My argument is that saying that is now a bad thing and not a good thing. Nijisanji has established an EN branch and have spread just as much worldwide as Hololive has. Why are the fans of these foreign branches not checking out the JP content? They do in Hololive but not for Niji. NijiJPs audience being 99% JP means there is a breakdown in the field of communication somewhere and they fail at building fanbases worldwide like Hololive has.

Hololive is crushing Nijisanji on the strength of building a worldwide coalition of fans. Nijisanjii has done the same thing but has failed miserably.

>>4400767
Sigh. As I said, there's really no discussion to happen in here. It's all nijifag, nijinigger and all of this hostility, toxicity and stupidity mixed with tribalism.

And no, I wouldn't lose my time doing that. I watch more than one agency, including hololive. For that exact fact it bothers me seeing what happens in here.

>>4400811
It's not a management problem to give them the option to stream whenever they want, as each different vtuber has different priorities to why they are vtubing, with some doing it as a hobby, others as a main thing and others as a side. If anything, that's how it should be. Shion and Ayame stream less on hololive for a reason and cover is right to give this option as well. Freedom to have your days off, to not stream and all that should be something that happen more, even more in Japan.

>>4400809
Exactly. It's not really difficult to understand when you look at how they do it. Even their own vtubers make events by themselves.

>>4400975
Pekora has acess to her vtuber analytics and even she said that the poll was wrong stupid nijinigger

>>4400975
>citation needed

>>4400001
Do not delusion yourself, eops are minority when it comes to an actual livestream numbers. They can help with special events but not regular streams.

How many n3+ bros do you expect to show up? Even with a bold estimation of 20% (which is probably twice above an actual number) it will turn 40k stream into 32k. Still miles and miles ahead of average niji.

Holo-girls have a very solid skills with presentation and chat-bantering, average niji looks like a complete amateur in comparison. Most of the nijis are akin to Choco, and numbers match.

Holostars sucks for the same reason. I do not think that Cover has much to do with a success though, probably just dumb luck from Yagoo.

>>4400862
They are saying they are the special 1% viewers that watch Nijisanji and should be treated with RESPECT!

>>4401028
then I don´t see the problem in including all of them in the chart

>>4400986
As he himself said, 70% of them are irrelevant eops, who the fuck cares lol, cant leech on these

>>4401028
t.nijinigger

>>4401032
cope

>>4372656
>toddler comes up to you, takes her pacy out and screams "I'M HORNY" while striking that pose

>>4401028
Yeah cool u can fuck off now manjinigger
Seethe cope dilate etc

Did the anon that disappeared yesterday return or is it a LARper this time?

>>4400854
That's not how it works at all. Hololive already had a public before hololive EN even existed, a public much bigger than nijisanji ever had here. Nijisanji EN don't and won't change anything for other branches, because most going into it aren't going to try other vtubers, they are going to remain on NijiEN and that's it, because for them hololive is the main thing. Nijisanji overall is still niche in here, i don't know why it's so difficult to understand.

>>4400862
I'm saying nijisanji is niche in the west, which they are.

>>4400912
Why are you calling others filthy foreigners?

>>4400998
Outside of the branch having only 2 weeks, I already explain above why this is happening. There's already a brand loyalty in the west for a while and that won't change.

>>4401028
>Sigh.

Are all nijiniggers like this, you are insufferable.

>>4401132
I see more superchat in dollars than in yen these days.

>>4401223
probably the former. either way, its a shame since the thread was fairly decent before he shows up.

>>4401256
Just one guy that acts like he's above it all but it doesn't change the fact that he's in the numberfagging thread.

>>4401105
My god, how you can turn my words like that, I don't even speak anything of japanese and I never would try to limit vtubers like that. I try to have a honest discussion in here but there's really nothing to be done.

>>4401161
>>4401210
Jesus christ. I get that you all like to be tribalistic and all that shit but at least portray yourselves better than that.

I don't get why a SCs, sub, views, etc has more or less value or is least impressive if it's not from Japan.

>>4401353
Dude it's a numberfagging thread. It's always like this. You come in basically ready to take a side and be autistic with it.

>>4401381
It's Nijinigger cope to claim that Nijisanji is bigger in Japan even though that entire point is basically pointless in the end when your competition is crushing you with a coalition of millions of overseas fans combined with millions of japanese fans, complete with the superchats and memberships that go with that.

>>4401256
No, I'm like this because I try to have a discussion about numbers in here only to be met with hostility and toxicity. I'm not disappointed because you are a "holofag", I'm disappointed with you all because of how there's no discussion to be done in terms of hololive and nijisanji. I know this is 4chan and all but in other threads it can be done sometimes. Doesn't seem to ever be the case in here.

Lastly, I began to watch nijisanji 5 months ago. I have been watching hololive since 2019 and vtubers since 2017. So no, I'm not anything like that and my mentality with vtubers isn't to pick a team, it's to enjoy vtubers independent of agency.

>>4401353
>nijisanji has no foreign fans
>I don't speak japanese
>nijisanji is the best the BEST

???

The tournament is weeks away and holoshits already seething lol

>>4401381
The original argument was that obviously Hololive gets more views/SC/subs because they have an EN branch but now Nijisanji has one as well so that argument is moot.
The intent with that was that the only market that matters (Japan) is where they are the top dog, which is honestly Japanese boomer mentality or cope.

>>4401353
go back

>>4401495
Sounds like a nijinigger to me

>>4401426
I don't come here to take any side. I'm here only to see how the vtubers are doing overall and that's it. I don't lose my time with tribalistic bs and I try to have discussion in here.

>>4401338
>>4401345
I'm not that person. And I'm not acting like I'm above anyone. I simply don't like the toxicity that happens in here and I'm trying to not do the same because my only objective here is to discuss, not offend others or make some war between corporations.

>>4401495
>started watching Hololive in 2019
>started watching Nijisanji in 2021
That is like going from well prepared filet mignon to rotting beef on the side of the road. Why would you downgrade like that?

>>4401495
Yeah yeah cool story faggot
Fuck off and graduate from life, with all of niggersanji

Why are you holofags arguing over an apex tournament? Yes, nijifags would probably get 100-150k viewers from it, but it wouldn't be impossible that EN2 or VSinger would be announced on the same day.

>>4401549
it is a nijinigger, you can tell by the terrible falseflagging

>>4401495
It's your own fault for coming into a daily numberfag thread where somebody just throws up a VNUMA screen capture and we have at it. If you want valid discussion come back in a few days when the monthly metrics are posted. The daily threads will always be like this.

>>4401499
.. where did I say this? In my vision Nijisanji is the most popular jp, hololive is the most popular in the west and overall, Maha5 is the most popular in indonesia. If I was like you, I would try to argument about nijisanji being bigger than hololive overall, which isn't the case. I recognize this. I'm only stating that hololive have superior numbers because they got both sides, and this isn't a demerit, this is a merit to them.

But at the same time, Nijisanji and Maha5 have mostly domestic audiences, unlike hololive, so they have more space in their countries. Am I also a Maha5 fanboy because I see it in that way? I don't think so.

>>4401608
This is honestly a bad time to discuss. The daily numbers aren't posted yet and the end of month numbers aren't posted yet. Right now there is just down time so everyone here is just flinging shit because there's nothing to do. Just come back when actual numbers are posted.

>>4401696
Yeah he must be from reddit or something

>>4401722
what kind of philosophical discussion about numbers can someone expect to have here anyways lol?
>these are the numbers
>oh cool

>>4401744
>I'm only stating that hololive have superior numbers because they got both sides
The point I've been trying to get you to understand is that SO DOES NIJISANJI!! Does Nijisanji or does Nijisanji not have an EN branch? Does Nijisanji or does Nijisanji not have an ID branch? They have both, just like Hololive. Why can't they attract the global audience the way Hololive can despite having the same things that Hololive does.

>>4401744
I'm just confused by what metric do nijiniggers use to say nijisanji is more popular in Japan, is it a personal feeling or some pride thing or something? Hololive has more fanart on pixiv despite only getting popular 2 years later than nijisanji did for example.

>>4401797
I was just trying to say that if you want some actual discussion the monthly numbers have a little more depth to them. Expecting deep discussion based on VNUMA screen captures is that guys own fault. It was never going to happen.

>>4401611
Because I don't care about companies behind. I watched vtubers for years without giving a shit about the companies. The only advantage of hololive and nijisanji to me, or agencies in general, is that they have an offer of vtubers that might interest me.

>>4401523
What original argument? If that was mine, it wasn't what I meant. Hololive don't get it because they have a en branch, although this helps, but because hololive, as in the brand, have the most popularity in here since 2019. HoloEN getting so many subs isn't a coincidence, they got it because they already had such interest in here, clips and many things. Ironically, many of it due to China.

Reminder, only a tribalist schizo gets offended over mean posts against their tribe on 4chan of all places.
Grow a thicker skin or be a nigger elsewhere.

>>4401880
Oh god it's a chink nijinigger

>>4401880
>Because I don't care about companies
You obviously do, otherwise you wont sperg out at every posts shitting on one of these company you allegedly dont care.

https://youtu.be/eNpjIOwMwzo

Nijisanji members actively pander to eops so I think its fair to compare them

>>4401864
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=JP&q=%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96,%E3%81%AB%20%E3%81%98%20%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%20%E3%81%98

>>4402084
It's just one, that would be the exception not the rule.

>>4402089
>the same google trends who says Kizuna Ai is still the most popular of all vtubers

>>4402089
>google trends
You realize having the bigger number here is bad right? That means more people have to google search your name because they don't know what you are. I bet Niji is higher because a lot of hardcore hololive fans are googling the name because they heard some nerd talking about them.

>>4402089
You compare it by google searches? Nijisanjis lines looks like a rollercoaster so I don't really thinks this is reliable

>>4401773
Considering how I posted on reddit for years and I only came to 4chan on the end of last year, yeah. I don't like the hugbox in there for vtubers but here it's also bad. A mid between those two would be better.

>>4401829
And the point I'm saying to you is that I never made an argument that hololive is more popular because they have a EN branch. Hololive was already more popular than nijisanji when they only had HoloCN in 2019. It was never about overseas branches but them getting clippers in 2019 like hololive moments and other stuff. That's literally how I got into hololive as well.

I don't know if you guys really think that nijisanji is a failure or if it's just trolling, but when most of their vtubers, even in overseas branches, are above the average of streaming and even vtubing, I don't know how to see it. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised when I even see hololive members like Roboco, Choco, Mel, Aki, Anya and others with 1k live viewers getting criticized even though this is a pretty good number.

>>4401876
That anon wasn't me.

>>4401880
I'm not chinese. But I'm not going to be a retard to not recognize that Azur Lane and the chinese translators and clippers were a large reason for that. Hololive moments was the biggest one and that was how I got into as well.

>>4402193
>>4402218
>>4402223
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=JP&gprop=youtube&q=/g/11g_rlkhxp,/g/11f61582dy,/g/11c6v_xmvr
youtube search by topics

Anon, you're not doing anyone any favors by shitting up the thread.

>>4402223
>>4402193
>>4402218
HOLY COPE

>>4402270
I was lucky I got into it by the talent's own videos. While they may play a big part, they threw it all away so they deserve to be shitted on.

>>4402270
Definitely a falseflagger.