/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>43573871
First for Ina is the worst character.

And that's the last one, now they are all at Gachikoi rank.
Now I can finally get back to playing again as I don't need to worry about finishing stages with different girls.

So what are the streams for the day?

We dead

I took the easy way out to get "Hard"core done. The feather was overkill though, it never even came close to needed. I don't think I even needed the pillow either, FBK's dodge was plenty... eh, better safe than sorry.

>>43569722
In practice I think they both should get up close to the horde because the needles will do more total damage piercing multiple rows than carefully aiming the tip at the front row. Yagoos are too fast to properly kite and will be right up in your face no matter what.

>>43570446
Yagoos aren't really going to kill each other, so all it really does is make the charmed ones stop hitting you. The difference is more significant during the stage itself though.

To be clear I like playing with Choco/Mel, I just think you could take all the button inputs from a Mel run, autoplay them on a Choco run, and do about as well as the original run. Vice versa too.

Does getting to 30min on endless mode count as beating the level?

>>43574867
How much gold did you get by the end of it? Im at 6 gachis with 1.2M right now,

>>43578256
Not for Gachikoi if that's what you mean. The endless achievement is for 30 minutes.

>>43577600
yes

>>43578312
I'm at 6.5m right now.
However I started with 2.5m and all previous upgrades/gacha bought from 0.4 going into 0.5 and, with money having no real use anymore, made free use of easymode Membership and Blacksmith's Gear enhancements.

>>43577869
Speaking of the easy way out, I just left the game running with Subaru to get the 30minute halu5, kill yagoo and get killed by yagoo achievements.
With this I only have 3 achievements left:
>Pet Bubba
>Watch the Credits
>Touch Grass

>Accidentally upgrade a strength stamp with a lifesteal stamp instead of swapping them
Oops.

>>43581405
Bubba has been pet. Now only 2 left.

>>43582748
And it's done. Now I can sleb.
I gotta say, most of the achievements are easily able to be done through normal gameplay, nothing really annoying at all. Makes it rather fun and painless, as you end up naturally having most of them done just by playing so there is just a little cleanup toward the end that just feels natural.

>>43582988
Congrats, brother. That makes two of us that 100%'d it.

I am a little disappointed though. I wish the Get Some Help achievement came with a cool reward or something. It felt anticlimactic to receive nothing special after going through all that trouble.

Honestly, the only achievements worth getting are the gachikoi achievements. At least those give you the ingame bonuses of making your playable character stronger.

>>43537635
late response but my description last time was honestly pretty much an oversimplification since i didn't really want to make things too detailed and would rather leave the actual details to kay yu
about lamy i was implying more to her weapons than the sake item itself, the freeze seems like it'll be her main thing
marine being greed based is possible, i was leaning more to her perverted side instead back then which made me think of charm
towa could be both crit and range based
i based luna off being one of the holobaby besides miko, hence having something similar, but when directly compared i can see luna being more defensive/healing based instead

bump

I wish the upgrades were a multiplier instead of a straight up addition. To add 60 speed points to all characters across the board overshadows the distinction between them.

live

>Gachikoi is unlocked on a per-character basis
I guess that makes Irys holocoin farming easier but I wanted to unlock it for Bae. Oh well, gives me more to do.

>>43587403
Interesting points, thanks.

>>43596948
yeah it's minimum of 48 hours of straight gameplay if you want to gachikoi all 21 of them, it's pretty much made entirely for obessive completionists

>>43600866
I just want to get it for Bae, if I'm really so inclined I'll probably cheat in the others
>Pic unrelated

>>43600866
It was annoying that some of my previous stage completions didn't transfer over.

>>43585815
Most of the achievements you'll naturally get in the process of getting gachikoi on everyone and the benefits of gachikoi are strong enough.
I never played the gachikoi ranked idols while working on gachikoing them all, only played them afterward to grab the last few achievements. The jump in power was already astounding, both in the new stat bonuses but also in starting with +6 levels from having all skills maxed. Getting even more than that seems unnecessary at this point. Plus, having some cool unlock behind Get Some Help would push people to do it just for the reward rather than for its own sake or just something that happens mostly naturally.

>>43601289
Wait there's a cheat now?

>try editing some of the sprites for fun
>almost everything turns invisible
Huh.

I need a guide for gold farming prease

>>43606466
No, but you don't really need that sort of thing just to edit a save file. Their save files are just a json string that's been passed through a base64 encoder, so all you really need to do is decode it, edit what you need, then re-encode sav_n.dat. The only troublesome thing about it is that arbitrary strings are used, so you'd need to clear at least a little bit of progress to know what you need to edit in.

>>43608428
Gets single weapon only in shop
Pick Irys
Get greed stamp
That's it

where are the sex mods

>>43611806
This is just about the absolute worst game format for sex mods there is.

>>43611844
No it isn't. In fact, an H-Vampire Survivors type game already exists.

>>43611917
From what I saw it just adds porny sprites when you take damage or scenes where you lose, that's weak.

kiara is the most fun to play in this game
has fire trails and sheild bubble

>>43611979
You don't want to see pixelated bobs and wegane of your oshi?

>>43585815
>Honestly, the only achievements worth getting are the gachikoi achievements.
Don’t forget that all the item unlocks are also now retroactively tied to an achievement too, meaning they are also worth it if you didn’t have them unlocked previously.
Of course, sometimes less items is better as it increases the chances of getting the ones you want. I delayed unlocking Hope Soda this time around because I wanted to finish up the girls that doesn’t care as much about criteria first without it diluting the item pool.

Aki defeating spiderchama w/o using bellydance gave me blue balls

>>43612136
I like spamming her special and being able to retard dive into entire groups.

>>43607940
Maybe it was made to not be edited.

>>43609319
There is a little more complexity, such as grabbing the super chatto time and Halu items, along with turning off your attack upgrades and ensuring you have the marketing upgrades.
But that is just about efficiency. IRyS + Greed is the real core of it.

>>43608428
>Greed Sticker + Super Chatto
Irys generates it the fastest, but if you're going to gachi any significant number of girls you can just pick up those 2 items while you're grinding out stages.

>>43617360
don't even pick those and already stockpiling a lot of coins just for the all gachi route.

Just did a hard 2 on halu 5 run with Bae, she's so fucking fun.
Her special being a boss delete button feels great.

>>43617987
I just finished it with shion for the first time since Gachikoing her. Her buffs from the changelog and starting with all skills from Gachikoi helped but portals were still annoying about teleporting you when they spawned under you.
I realized halfway through that I went about building her wrong. I should've skilled the bandaid and milk (a decadence I did mostly for bigger flattening boards and broken dreams) and instead gone for Headphones and Pillow. Her Cheeky Brat skill activates when you avoid damage from an attack, so a headphones dodge will also work and I think the Pillow shield will as well, which would let me keep the +60% attack bonus much more freely. A Lifesteal sticker is more than enough for any healing issues and she'd have so much shield, dodge and damage reduction I doubt I'd need to do much healing anyway. Maybe I'll do that next run.

>>43617987
Bae is pretty strong even outside of that with her super crits and upside down skills.
She really benefits from gachikoi as it lets you skip the negatives of her +30% crit skill.

>>43617987
yeah

>>43573871
Call me when yonkisei is in the game, maybe then i will play it

>>43614597
I just wanted Blue Ayame...

>>43623361
Ewww

2x speed mode when?

>>43626847
Just play in two windows at once.

The battle continues till there's only dust left out of me!
>Previous survival time:
00:38:55
>Current survival time:
00:39:38
>Goal:
01:00:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax0QT7gVjO8

>>43623361
This is just oni Gura

>>43629932
Just because they are both blue and never stream.

>>43629932
Yes, a solid downgrade from original Ayame

Aside from getting more money, what exactly is halu used for?

>>43634534
Bragging rights, I guess. Halu 5 significantly heightens the difficulty level. Playing without it is basically easy mode.

Other than that, you get more exp during a stage with Halu 5. More spawned enemies equals more dropped exp.

Kurokami couch potato stage 2 completed

>>43634766
That makes sense, I guess with more upgrades it doesn't feel like a simply wasted slot with higher diffuclty. I'll have to farm for a bit loger first though

>>43634534
You level up faster and trigger on-hit/kill effects more, like Irys' healing or the Nurse's Horns.

>>43635078
what the fuck

>>43634534
More enemies = more xp, more stamps, more anvils.
Halu can actually make a stage easier in the long run because of how overpowering certain collabs are and the way it lets you get your set up more established early. It goes especially well with the blacksmith's gear.

>>43634534
Aside from what everyone else said already. You’re basically guaranteed all the stamps through your playthrough and more anvils as well.
Halu only feels like a negative in the first 5 mins. But once you get a proper build going, you melt enemies so quickly anyway that it barely matters

>>43635078
Stage 3 is trickier because of that swarm of Mahou Shiokko at 16:45 immediately blasting you with projectiles.

>>43636441
On the other hand, Stage 2 has A-chan which must be a bitch.

>>43637836
The worst part was actually Mikodanye, she appears to early for the build to be complete, my only feather use was because of her.

>>43637836
A-chan is actually stupidly easy to deal with trying to couch potato since she misses most of her shots when you stand still.

Has Aki been stealth nerfed? No longer getting fist spam when using status collabs like Frozen Sea. Feels like it's only triggering once on the first hit that applies slow or whatever.

>>43574730
Untrue

Mel's really fun to play, especially with horns and uber sheep.

>>43573871
oi

am i alone in being salty that ID's are gonna be the next characters instead of Gen 3 and 4?

>>43650207
Yes
Get some help

Bros, I am sad. First was the reveal of the next update being focused on ID, then I found that this game is basically a one man project and lacks manpower. It means my oshi would be playable in more than one year. That fact alone soured my enjoyement of the game.

>>43650207
No. Don't take your meds, they're poison.

>>43650207
Ehhhh, better now than later - entirety of EN is already in the game and by the time JP Gen 6 comes out many people would probably stop caring about future updates (I imagine not everyone is excited about playable JP / EN Stars). Entirety of ID branch is nowhere near as popular as JP Gen 3 & 4 (or even 5 & 6) so giving them a chance to shine right now is probably the most optimal decision. But I can relate to your salt.
>>43651773
I wouldn't call it "one-man project" when several people still help Kay Yu with it, but yeah, he does some heavy lifting for HoloCure and I'm fine with him developing it at his own pace (especially since so far each update was great outside of balance issues). At least I'm actually looking forward to each HoloCure update = can't say the same about HoloEarth release...
And yes, at current pace JP Gen 5 & 6 will probably happen only in 2024.

Controversial opinion: If the goal is to make the game harder, more enemies should not mean more xp. Halu should decrease xp per enemy slain in proportion to the increase in spawn rate.

>>43653883
Just make "decreased exp gain" a shop option.
Halu may unironically be the best item in the game because of the added anvils, exp, stamps, gold and on hit effect. I dont wanna lose that.

>>43653883
It is the same thing as curse in VS and curse was the way to get higher scores, more money, more levels, etc. The shop upgrade that just adds more fans but doesn't make them harder is different

that korone bomb collab is fucking great

>>43653772
>he does some heavy lifting for HoloCure
He is the only programmer of the game. And considering he isn't a uberneet with no life that really need to do other stuff paint the future very somber.

>>43654389
Its really fun to look at but I wish the bombs would expire after a while on bosses. Also unsure if multiple simultaneous detonations stack

>>43653883
You ever play Nuclear Throne? You know how Crown of Blood has the exact modifiers you suggested, wherein enemies drop less EXP while there is a net increase in the number of enemies? You still get a net increase in EXP with CoBlood, because more enemies will always equal more EXP.

Moreover, the point of Halu isn't to make the game harder. It mirrors the Curse modifier in Vampire Survivors, which is generally acknowledged to make the game easier

>>43611979
Isn't that basically every sprite base Hentai game ever?

>>43654389
What, it seemed awful to me

>>43653772
Cover should hire him and throw him a few developers

>>43654232
>>43655476
Never played Nuclear Throne but I looked that item up and it doesn't drop it EXP in proportion. What I'm proposing is if enemy spawns are multiplied by N, then experience points drop by 1/N.

Nonetheless you're right it doesn't say anywhere that Halu is just there to make things harder. So I'll only suggest (to the void) that the EXP rate be dropped by the shop upgrade only.

>>43655956
A small project like this works just fine with a single programmer. It's got a simple game loop that's easy to build off of. Speaking from solodev experience, the only thing I'd ask for is more people working on art and audio assets, since those things (and the lack thereof) can make or break an indie project. It doesn't matter if you have a strong programmer if you don't have enough people working on assets.

Who's fans are those bamboo shoot things on stage 3?

>>43656569
Fauna

>>43656605
Those ain't saplings.

>>43655956
I'd rather not because then Cover would probably restrict some of his ideas (they'd 100% veto the addition of Stars and JP Gen 3 & 4 would probably miss a member) - Kay Yu is doing just fine right now and I prefer HoloCure to stay as a fangame.
>>43656425
>A small project like this works just fine with a single programmer.
>It doesn't matter if you have a strong programmer if you don't have enough people working on assets.
You just reminded me of certain Kickstarter where the opposite situation happened. Almost 10 years have passed and it's pretty much abandoned now, all because "our mysterious talented programmer ditched the dev team".

>>43657087
A few threads back some anons were theorizing that ID is getting in first because Kay isn't sure if Rushia and Coco, and Aloe by extension, should be included or not.

Is there anywhere I can see the world record or best times for the timed stage?

>>43656569
They're Sukonbu aren't they? Fubuki's fans

>>43657452
Youtube

>>43654389
It is pretty awful from a usage standpoint. The delay between it "firing" and doing damage is too random

>>43657346
Pretty sure he replied to some Reddit (or was it Twitter?) post last summer that he see no issues with adding either Coco or Rushia (I'm willing to find it if it's required). Now Aloe might be an issue but it's more related to "What the hell do you make out of her kit when she had like 2-3 streams?", but props to Kay Yu if he still manage to add her because that's an extra character for me to play.

>>43659112
I'll take your word for it. In regards to Aloe, isn't Roboco's kit already mostly just centered around her character setting? Pretty sure he could do the same for Aloe if he really wanted to add her, though personally I'd be against it unless Gen 5 was okay with it.

>>43656569
>>43657581
Oruyanke, an early Fubuki mascot, it basically translates to "Something that is there" and it only exist to occupy space.

Does the super version of an item disappear from the pool if you eliminate it's normal variant?

>>43659710
>though personally I'd be against it unless Gen 5 was okay with it.
Actually, you reminded me of recent Lamy zatsu stream where she brought up her old thumbnail images that she never got the chance to use (like 150k milestone or some Apex(?) stuff) and then she mentioned her early days. The thing that hit me hard (and made me respect Lamy more) was her
>When the four of us— no, the five of us
And then she went to mention that she never played Apex before unlike Botan or Aloe.
But that's kinda offtopic, so I should probably stop there.
I do agree with you that Roboco's kit doesn't really represent any of her references (how come there's no presence of PON), so I guess Kay Yu and other devs can think of something for Aloe if they feel like adding her.

bump

>>43654389
Like the others said, it is fun but lackluster because the way it works is rather finnicky. I think it would be better if it was an actual time bomb.

dead game

hm

>>43665224
Probably because there's not much stuff to work towards if you're not a completionst, I could already afford more than half of the new content with the money I had from the previous update.

so that's it for this update, i guess
See you guys in june

What's the limit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEp52NXp1Q

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>43670990
>zero Luna's reference in the game
Luna..

>>43670990
Nice

https://youtu.be/fguxsLbnnC8
Oh hey watame too

>>43671517
Absurd.

>>43608428
I reached 132k coins at 24min, could have gone a lot higher with IRyS but my keyboard straight up locked itself for some reason, only my mouse was working (I could aim with the mouse but I died when the big wave of enemies started appearing after the Boobas).

>>43670682
Cheat engine's the limit.

>>43673005
>>43608428
Endless Stage 1, Irys(whichever rank honestly, the lower the better but you'll struggle reaching more than 20min that way) Superchat, Halu, Piggy bank, Glasses for exp, either the Kaela upgrade or the credit card one, you can pick the energy drink as well. You only need your main weapon for damage so you need to block the apparition of other weapons with a shop's upgrade. The most important thing though would be the greed stamp, if you can't find it before 10/12 min just restart the game. the stamp that makes you fire 25% more rapidly your main weapon is great too, and as for the last stamp, either the planet or the knockback stamps are great addition to your farm build.

>>43612136
You mistyped Akirose.

Looks like candy princess won her first round.

How do I make Aqua not suck?
I have her on Rank 14 and fucking base Kiara and Sana are outperforming her. I just want to use my oshi.

How does the secondary effect of Kaela’s accessory work? The accessory text uses %, but the anvil upgrade text uses flat numbers.

>>43674179
Towa's hat, gorilla hands, mask, Glasses, CEO tears+ Haachama Cooking, Frozen Sea, Rap Dog (buffed, bow it gives your enemies a 20%DED debuff).
Don't be a newbie man, she's not that weak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fguxsLbnnC8
Watame vs Stage 3! Currently 0-3

>>43674948
0-4...

how do I go back to using weapons?
Solo weapons just make the characters feel more unique and its more fun to play.

>>43674948
I believed in her

>>43676057
kek. she won with the weirdest rng, collab and items i have seen from holomem.

>>43676092
You can click on purchased stuff in the shop and individually refund it

>>43676092
If you want character-unique experiences, then only pick weapons which work along with their character traits. Choose weapons that spin around Sana. Pick fan beam for Ame/Roboco. Holobombs kinda work like Kiara's Trailblazer. Give Subaru something to throw.

It works for items too. Don't give you character anything generic. Only use Halu if she has a skill which specifically calls for more enemies like Calli's Death or Mumei's Civilization. Only use Nurse Horn if they have something that procs on heals or life steal. In the shop, only upgrade the stats that they specialize in, or don't upgrade stats at all.

>>43674632
https://holocure.fandom.com/wiki/Damage
Not the way it is advertised really. Anvil enhancements have the biggest impact on low base damage, rapid firing weapons like dragonfire.

>>43674660
>glasses
Not really worth an item slot on aqua (or most characters), the 5 level investment barely pays itself back and even then it is costing you a valuable item slot, and to get the most of it you need to grab it and pump it to level 5 as quickly as possible so you are giving up a bunch of levels early on when those levels are most valuable to getting your build established.

>>43678022
With how hard it fell off this update, Glasses are gonna need a substantial buff.

>>43678476
I just treat them as Roboco's personal item until we get another character with level-related abilities. I'm surprised there aren't more of them.

>>43678586
There will probably be at least one more character focused around high levels but we just got Roboco in the previous update so Kay was probably trying to avoid adding another one so soon. A lot of the characters added in this update also seem to be testing for more gimmicky stuff being added to the holos' kits.

>>43678476
In theory glasses can get you even more levels than before due to marketing giving you another large increase in enemies to give xp that stacks with Halu.
It is just that other new items like blacksmith do it better or cause an increased opportunity cost for the slot, plus you’ll already be getting so much xp from Halu and Marketing that you don’t need the extra ones from glasses.
Glasses are stronger than before, but their relative value dropped.

Luna playin it

https://youtu.be/AcEp52NXp1Q

>>43679026
Well there is the Growth upgrade. One weapon runs and characters that focus on their main weapon or special like Mio might be interested in glasses… but I don’t imagine you would get enough extra levels to really have it be more beneficial compared to other items you could grab.

>>43680510
>>43670990

>>43671517
Lots of characters don’t have references other than their actual character itself or their fans/mascots, meanwhile others have several.

>2024 for playable Luna
No.. why must it be this way..

I lost, Luna's gameplay made me seethe. I'm going to lie down for a while

>>43681641
get naaaa'd on

Luna's gonna be rich

>Ame doko?
lol

>>43682136
Just noticed she's playing stage mode. Even if she doesn't clear, she still wins lol.

>>43680986
Probably because Kaela alone was playing more Holocure than gen 3 and 4 combined. Also I think she is playing soon.

Shion is actually far better than I thought, her two AoE passives soften everything up and then you get up close to murder whatever's left with her shotgun. Special is useless for dealing damage though but at least it's nice as a panic button.

>>43686292
The damage of her portals got a major buff one of the recent updates.
>From 100%/150%/200% (8 – 12 / 13 – 17 / 18 – 22) to 200%/300%/400% (18 – 22 / 27 – 33 / 36 – 44)
They're still a bitch because they spawn under you and immediately teleport you but at least they deal damage to enemies too now, though the range is pretty small.
The Garlic is pretty great at Oshi and Gachikoi rank though. As for her special, it's not great outside the beginning or as an emergency escape but if you take chestplate you can do damage with it during the "invulnerable" phase.

>>43686292
Portals often being more an annoyance will always be Shion's biggest shortcoming to me. I'd rather have them be reworked to something like only working on Shion's bolts so they gain infinite piercing after exiting a portal in addition to keeping the aoe damage pulse.

I don't know how you guys keep falling into your Shion portals accidentally. I have the opposite problem where I feel like I have to be too precise to use them.

Finally... It's time I go outside and get some helps as the game demands.

>>43688012
What is your favorite character to play?

>>43655535
No, some games integrate sex and gameplay, to varying degrees of success. Sex on loss is just the easiest most boring approach. By succeeding at the game you're preventing yourself from the lewd rewards.

>>43687619
It's not even a case of falling into portals by accident, it's that every 8 seconds you need to move to prevent unwanted teleportation unless you stand still and let them stack on top of each other. Combine that with teleporting being an unnecessary gimmick to begin with and that's where the complaints come from. The 8 second cd is also way too short to allow creative use of portals.
Another anon in a previous thread also had the idea of tying portals to Shion's special so you get more control over where and when you place them.

>>43686157
Lamy has played more than Kaela, just lack the autism to stream her grinding. The only reason why ID comes first is because after Gen 3 & Gen 4, the interest on the game is going to plummet.

>>43687619
>They're still a bitch because they spawn under you and immediately teleport you
Basically annoys people who likes to play without moving. Anyone else that keeps moving don't have trouble with it unless they're miko level of pon

>>43688540
Honestly I don't really have a favorite as most are in my opinion fun to play, there's only a few talents I don't find much enjoyment playing as

>>43686157
>>43688899
Going by that logic, Gen 5 & 6 should be next with Gen 3 & 4 to finish things off before the eventual holostars stuff kills off most peoples' interest.

>>43688812
>>43688965
I guess that's it then. When I play Shion I'm almost always running (kiting?). By the time I get another portal I'm like two screens away from the other one and the area is nearly devoid of enemies when I teleport over. My biggest issue is getting into my new portal before the enemies step on it. I think the portals should have a constant low-damage knockback kinda like Ankimo.

>>43689030
>there's only a few talents I don't find much enjoyment playing as
Like who?

>>43689633
Nothing against the talents themselves, obviously, but really all that come to mind are Ina, Sana, Okayu, Miko, and Aki. It just comes down to them having a weapon, skills, or just general playstyle that don't suit me I guess, though that's not to say they're bad either cause they aren't

>>43690032
What's wrong with Miko?

>>43690261
To me her kit feels a little dull, like she was just given skills that don't have much synergy, like the only synergy is Elite giving you stat boost from healing which Eroge Hero gives but that's really it. Baby Language sometimes messes with the timed event enemies making them harder to deal with as some get slowed and some don't, and it's kinda hard to see with her special active though I know that can be fixed with the attack opacity. Even with all this though I do still know she's definitely one of the more powerful talents

>>43574730
There are two characters who I refuse to play:
Kiara and Ayame

There are two characters who I refuse to play:
Kiara and Mori

>>43690032
Enjoying Sana basically comes down to how much you enjoy abusing aoe weapons and abilities

>>43691728
I enjoy sitting back after full build Sana and looking at my phone for 5-10 minutes
It's my favorite kind of build in VS as well
It helps that she's my oshi

>>43690946
I think she has quite a bit of synergy beyond what you mentioned.
Elite also has synergy with Baby talk, as it makes her lava and lava collabs bigger. As these tend to be rapid hitting AoE attacks, the larger AoE will make it hit more enemies longer. The Nyeh also slows them down so they spend even more time in the lava, micomet or elite cooking. The nyeh also hits a group at once so large area weapons get even further benefit since then you are increasing the odds of triggering the baby talk. Even beyond the Lava bucket, her base weapon has a large AoE burst to similarly hit an entire group at once.
Furthermore, Elite gives her a speed bonus and babytalk gives enemies a speed penalty, making her even better at maneuvering and kiting enemies, with her awakened weapon inflicting a large defense debuff on groups every hit which just makes her weapons and babytalk even stronger.

>>43604538
This shit made me Mad as hell, atleast i will build up my stack of coins along the way

>>43660677
Curious about this as well

>>43691052
>>43691181
Orange woman good though...

>>43688899
Cant see it plummeting, i dont really care for stars but i want them added into this badly just to have more chars i can play with, at this point i legitimately think this game is better than VS

>>43660677
>>43692969
No it doesn’t.

>>43688899
I just want to watch Sora unlock and playing as her sister Lofi

>>43680384
Glasses and Credit Card are in a really bad position because of the fact that they have 5 levels. The 5% bonus from ranks 2-5 of glasses will add up to a full level after 20 levels (roughly speaking because of the upscaling costs) so there is often not enough time to gain a meaningful number of levels in stage mode and I always end up taking a lot of meaningless stat upgrades by the time Yagoos show up in endless. Credit Card has a similar problem of needing 5 bonus anvil drops to break even, which is wishful thinking in stage, and most of the bonus anvils being wasted by enhancement fails in endless. They need to be 3 rank items like Blacksmith Gear to have any real utility. Maximizing levels for coin bonuses is no longer a good farming method, so only the super version is ever worth running and I would still discard it in endless because I'd rather use the slot on something else.

>>43688899
I think it will stay strong until at least until 5th and Holo-X. EN 3 will probably debut some time between now and then, which could also extend the life. If fucking Yandere Simulator can survive for a decade I don't see why Holocure wouldn't have at least another 1-2

>>43693478
I have fully stopped getting Credit Card anvil drops are random AF anyway, glasses im not so sure about, though with halu 5 + Marketing i see myself maxing out without it pretty often by the 15-16 Minute of stage mode

>>43693774
Game will survive as long as they have new characters to add, i dislike holostars but i would gladly take them in this game, because i really do enjoy it that much

>>43693478
>>43694321
Not helping credit card is the fact that blacksmith’s gear is flat out better. You get functionally the same amount of bonus anvils with 1 level of blacksmith as you do with 5 levels of credit card, and levels 2 and 3 of blacksmith aren’t a waste as they actually improve your enhancements.

>>43694484
I like Halu and Blacksmith for endless. I'll take Blacksmith 1 in stage, but only if I have an elimination left for level 2.

I would love a crafting system for this game, kills would drop materials and you could use those to craft itens, weapons or stamps, with more materials or rarer materials you can then craft, Maxed out itens-weapons-stamps, Enchanted weapons and with even more/rarer materials you could craft super-itens

>>43693005
Absolutely nothing about Kiara is good

>>43694415
>enjoying dick

>>43696141
Yes.

Wait, there's a +25% damage enchant?

>>43694415
There needs to be new mechanics as well. I know I should play as all the new girls but I have not and don't plan on it either. I did however play enough of the ones I did to get a feeling for all the updated mechanics and maps

>>43696981
Yes, but it has a low weight in the roll. 1/5 as likely as the common ones like +15% damage or +15% size.

>>43697084
Girls tend to have their own gimmicks that focus on different mechanics to create a different feeling on their own.

don't die

Kaela playing in an hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY70AiGVP9g

>>43635078
>>43636441
>>43636095
FUCKING DID IT! Kurokami couch potato stage 3 completed.

1 hour challenge continues!
Previous:
>00:39:38
Current:
>00:40:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8suIa1RMmo
Note: After 40:00, Yagoos became so fast, that not even 897% speed was enough to deal with him.
I'll try a complete different approach next time.

>>43706834
>>43707347
what is it with Kurokami fans and weird challenges

>>43706834
Very, very nice.
How many feather revives did you use?
How many times did the gauntlet of projectile goons at 16:45 get you?

>>43709198
Their oshi rarely streams and they have to make up for it in one way or another.

>>43573871
How to get a green yagoo?

>>43706275
It's up

>>43710411
I don't see Gura and Ayame fans doing the same

>>43710930
Kurokami fans wish their oshi streamed as much as Ayame.

>>43710280
>How many feather revives did you use?
Two, one on Shubangelion and the other one with the projectile fuckers, those motherfuckers are ruthless, they don't miss any shot so you have to take every single one.

Uh, Kaela is kinda shitty to play this game. That Kurokami run was painful to watch.

>>43623361
modders help...

>>43712518
Very nice.

bump

>>43707347
1 hour seems like such a long way to go with the scaling. I think you'd need to find some kind of exploit.

whatever works i guess

finally beat hard mode, even if it was cheesing

>>43699223
Except they all fall flat and all feel the samey in the end.

>>43725337
What odd weapon choices.

>>43726263
i didn't want to use the board bomb collab but that happened. the concert is great btw.

>>43726292
Concert is okay but there are better options. Flattening Board is great, especially on Shion since she is flat.
But the odd one is that you had 3 other level 7 weapons that can't collab together.

>>43726344
This was also the first time I used concert so I wanted to see how it worked.

>>43726428
It is pretty nice but with the new knockback resistance build up on enemies with 0.5, I find that Snow Flower Sake is a much better light stick collab for both offensive and defensive purposes.

>>43726483
Also I did cheat with the feather but it’s mainly because of how fucking annoying that stage is at the start

>>43726263
>>43726292
Flattening Board makes sense on flat girls like Shion, but Idol Concert is one of the worst collabs. If you're not going for an endless time run then anything besides Great Wall is honestly good enough IMO.

Bump

Someone please explain the ball+board combo
It seems entirely worthless as a collab, does it even do anything?

>>43629710
How's your progress?

>>43731343
It's a shield that causes knockback and damage. The four walls have separate break values and can regen. You can spin the walls via aiming, so I suppose it's meant to help with the Couch Potato achievement.

>>43731343
you spin your mouse around and it hits and knockbacks everything it touches. It's great if you want to go for couch potato

>>43732623
Spinning around, huh? Sounds like the perfect item to go along with Matsuri's weapon.

>6 months to go for the next update.
Was good while it lasted bros.

up

>>43573871
Do you guys have any gameplay ideas for the next ID girls?

>>43732611
>>43732623
>collab
>when you can't move

>>43736352
N U T S

>>43736352
Risu deals x2 damage if you play as her in November

>>43736352
I'm just wondering if the Devs knows about Anya disliking her original look? similar to Flare but I don't think Anya talks about it much and her base look was never discarded officially. will Anya be the first playable character that starts with two outfits?

>>43737193
>whether or not Anya gets a bonus size to cutting board depends on which outfit you're using

>>43737193
Her original accidental oppai rigging was a big missed opportunity for her since she refused to embrace it. Her next model had an incredibly poorly rigged face, making it look like she was wearing a mask of her own face, but she still used it in preference to her original.

>>43573871
someone explain the step-by-step instructions for getting sub 5 min on timed, best I could do is like 6:30 with moomers
with aqua I got even worse
I noticed the tier 3 fandom bonus doesn't even apply in timed

>>43736352
already posted my thoughts in a previous thread
>>43545473
>>43545506
out of the ones I posted I think my Kaela (money grinding snowballer) and Ollie (immortal tank that's at her strongest at 0 health) concepts could be the most fun.

>>43738557
Uh, I seldom watch Anya, but always think the inexpressive face was part of the image she wanted proyect. roru

>>43727200
The wall actually has a weird synergy when characters that can stop enemies from moving like Suisei and Bae, if you stop an enemy you can part the wall on top of them for a fuckton of damage since they can't be knocked back.
Still works far better on characters with long range though.

>>43573871
>>>/v/

>>43745720
v doesn't allow generals newfag

>>43745720
>make a holocure thread on /v/
>instantly get vtuber hate replies and shit like that
Do you really want that?

>>43745720
Anon it's fine you can make another Rocksuki thread

>>43745720
Even if you don't like it, this thread is in the correct board so go seethe elsewhere.

>>43738637
First level up you need CEO tears then try to max it out asap, go to the very top as apparently spawns are better there or some shit and XP should drop near you, you ideally want at least lvl 4-5 tears by the first minute when the boss spawns, for the boss just kill it normally. Once its max try and get Fan Beam for Stream of Tears as it's the best collab for timed and practically everyone with sub 5 times has it. On a good run I usually get it right before or after the 3 minute mark. Once you have it go for items such as Devil's hat, Face mask, Knightly Milk, Membership, or even Injection Type Asacoco if you're fine with being at 1HP. Limiter is also a good quality of life item for this. That's really it, just rush Stream of Tears asap then get items that'll benefit it greatly

>>43748323
broken dreams is no longer the meta after the nerf? is aqua the go-to character still or someone else? seeing you suggested non-projectile collab

>>43748428
Nope, Stream of Tears seems to be even better than prenerf Broken Dreams if I'm being honest. My best time before it's nerf was 4:25 and now I have a 3:51 with Stream of Tears. This new strat seems to also work with every character though obviously characters with damage boosts like Mumei are a little better

>>43748665(me)
Actually now that I'm thinking about it the better times are most likely due to buffed spawns after some time, me dumb. Thlugh still Stream of Tears is practically as good as Brokem Dreams

>>43746278
I do honestly.

>>43696101
But I love her...

>>43696101
she has a nice kit for kitting and is one of the few ones that can use rrat stamp well.
nice sour grapes you have there tho.

Are collabs just flat out superior to individual weapons or are they a compromise between the components?

>>43740528
>always think the inexpressive face was part of the image she wanted proyect
It wasn't the inexpensiveness, it was the way the face and hairline were rigged. When she moved her head around the angle of it made it look like her face and bangs were just a mask she was wearing, like in the related image.

>>43749809
They are usually superior but there are some that are downgrades or do something different from their components.

>>43749809
EN curse is better alone than in any collab it uses

>>43749840
I can't unsee it now.

Man, Akai Haato's Haato form Red Heart is just fucking nuts, it absolutely melts enemies and bosses.
I think I'll do a one weapon run with her next to see if it can do the same kind of nonsense when it isn't relying on other weapons too.

>>43749914
>>43749840
No one cared who she was until she put on the mask.

>>43749914
It isn't just her, you can see it in some other vtubers if you look for it so I recommend you don't. She just has a worse case of it than most which is a shame since she already had previous rigging troubles as well.

>>43750169
>loved her original look
>is destroyed for this
sad

>>43749759
What good does the reverse stamp do her? Just aim your weapon backwards if that's what you want.

>>43749903
That shit got me 10k damage achievement. That alone makes it the best non-collab weapon, damage wise.

>>43750520
Reverse stamp combos well with Dragonfire so you have strong attacks both in front and behind you, plus her sword has large coverage and leaves a spread out amount of fire to cover more area than just the trail she normally leaves.
Especially useful in Stage 2 and stage 2 hard where enemies mostly just come from two directions.

>>43750341
Which original looks? Her intended original look our how it was actually rigged?

>>43749903
EN Curse is great but once you start getting some other weapons and collabs it can fall off a bit as enemies start dying to other stuff and break the chaining. Bone Bros is pretty excellent if you have a source of haste. Good, aimable coverage in the front and some defense in the back, pretty quick and takes enhancements pretty well. If you can’t or don’t want to use dfire, bonebros is a good substitute. The downside is that you are probably better off with other collabs like Flattening Board, but Bone Bros does benefit from EN Curse being so strong so it isn’t a bad 1st collab.

>>43748665
>>43748719
ight thanks, gonna try this out

Irys Soda is such a good item I forgot how to play as a non crit based characters, I feel weak without it

>>43757083
I usually just go for the facemask. The Soda is great on crit characters or one weapon builds but otherwise the 5 level investment and item slot are a bit much.

good run

>>43573871
hrrrrmmm

game with your oshi going schizo?

>>43759197
>Super energy drink
Nice.
Did you use optimism revives at all?
They aren't really needed for normal stages, especially stage1 hard, but it is easy to be lazy and just lean on them anyway.

>>43750006
Well that was fun and ridiculously easy, although getting the super super chatto time on a one weapon run might have impacted that a bit.

kiara funnest

>>43768756
It actually doesn't.

>>43767421
i did not, but super energy drink is fucking awesome.

>>43694415
They have an ex-military ogre man from a parallel universe who's 7 feet tall with weird super natural powers. That shit sounds cash money to me, give me the token black character Kay Yu.

I'm kinda pissed with this time as it took like 25 seconds for a gold anvil to spawn. It absolutely could've been better.

Wake up baby, new stage boss has dropped.

https://twitter.com/sakamatachloe/status/1629123441172582400

I gained 150k coins in a single run with IRyS, is that good? ( I forgot the screen on my laptop, I will post it after waking up.)

>>43770670
Kinda. I think the record when people bother to post screenshots was around 200k

if you eliminate a base item do you eliminate its super version as well?
> be me
> play like 7 stages straight with no super item dropping for the achievement
> hackerman on
> cheat engine for unlimited rerolls and eliminations
> eliminate all items
> first box that drops gave me holocoins
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>43770670
I got 310K coins on Stage 2 HARD with IRyS

>>43770670
it's not bad, but it's not record breaking

>>43771225
I didn't think so but perhaps it does.

>>43770670
It's pretty normal. You can farm more by purposefully weakening her attacks via turning off upgrades so that you can farm more hits.

>>43770470
>https://twitter.com/sakamatachloe/status/1629123441172582400
But I wanna fight Sorasaurus...

>>43772511
sorry, you will fight sakamata's demon

>>43737193
>>43738557
Context on Anya's old model? Especially the "accidental oppai rigging" part. I've heard before that she never uses it out of distaste but figured it was just rrat.

>>43750091
www

>>43771225
Apparently not, according to a few threads ago.

>>43774081
She was designed as a small, loli-esque character with a small chest.
However the rigger misunderstood the torso area and thought those bits on the side indicated she had giant boobs and rigged her that way, resulting in her having huge tits that jiggled around when she moved, which got her quite a bit of attention initially.
Anya was quite firm in regard to sticking to her artists original design intention and was quick to correct people that she wasn't meant to an oppai loli. On her new models this mistake was corrected.

>>43774081
>>43775727

>>43775727
>>43775876
Thanks. So they've never just gone back and "fixed" the OG design's rig? It's always gonna be oppai, so she's never gonna use it?

I wish we could get a pailoli holo for real

>>43776700
Well her 3D will probably be her original model with a corrected chest size. The jury is out on whether she'll get a nose in 3d though.
There have been some Holos that have gotten an updated/replacement core design due to issues with it like IRyS, Nene and Flare but Anya's situation is just rigging issues so she might get that fixed if there is a model update like some of the other holos get from time to time, though those are usually older ones. She's also the sidest girl in the sidest branch so I think there is less likelihood due to that too... though her excellent nihongo means she does have some friends with her jp coworkers.

>>43777337
There's already Luna.

Matsuri one weapon wasn't really that hard now that she's been buffed and I'm using a mouse instead of the keyboard for weapon attacking/spinning.
But it is still a god damn chore and pain in the wrist.
Nodoka was actually really easy. With such a set up (and lifesteal stamp) she couldn't really do much to hurt me while I gently bopped her with my weapon, letting GOD do most of the work.

>>43778827
I'm unfamiliar with Flare having any issues.

>>43786417
Flare's a bit of a complex one. Pic related was her original design
She really didn't like her original design, thinking it made her look too dark, dour, cool and stoic and she felt it made her need to play into that role as well. She also felt the rigging was stiff and not properly expressive. Once she got different model for new years she never went back if she could help it and eventually got a redesign that lightened and rounded her out a bit to be cuter. A bit like the IRyS situation.
Flare also really wants to be a cute character, not a cool one, a bit of the opposite of Kaela insisting she's cool instead of cute.
Flare is unsatisfied with things going beyond that too. Her character is a half-elf but often gets mistaken for being a Dark elf, which she doesn't like. She doesn't even like being called an elf instead of a half-elf and often wears features on her model that hide her elf ears.
Perhaps due to that elf ire, she gets seriously frustrated by people associating her with bows as an elf cliche ("Bow Harassment"). She's mentioned it multiple times, even as recently as two weeks ago where she said she tries to avoid even using bows in games because she doesn't want people to associate her with them and avoids art that depicts her with one. Unfortunately one of her figurines has her with a bow and she was depicted with one in the Hololive Alt animation too, though she states she wasn't involved in that and isn't what she wanted. Here's a clip of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiNL0WLz_MM
In an older clip you can see she was a bit less frustrated about it but still clear she didn't want to be associated with bows, preferring guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrJqSEPITQs
There's actually another fan game coming out in about 2 days, a mega-man style game with Flare as the main character and other members of Shiraken. Originally it had Flare with a bow but was changed to two pistols due to Flare hating bow association. It has a playable demo of a few levels, it is pretty cool. There's a thread about it up currently on /vt/ that also discusses some of this stuff:
>>43740742

>>43789163
Menhera

>>43789163
I kinda feel sorry for Lack-sensei, he is a big holo fan and 2 of his design for holopro are demanded to be changed by its v.a

>>43789163
What is wrong with this woman. Even Subaru learned to embrace the duck persona much to her dismay.

>>43789163
Half elf, half coffee…

>>43790299
I completely forgot about Aruran's new model and artist switch. At least with Flare and IRyS the new models are great and even upgrades overall. Aruran's original model was top tier great, that new one is is awful. I guess it makes him happy though.

>>43790411
>Even Subaru learned to embrace the duck persona much to her dismay.
Subaru's duck persona stems from her own personal actions, events and behaviors. This is in contrast to someone like Kaela who fights the Penguin persona tooth and nail but accepts being associated with Gorillas, because the penguin persona is just based on the design of her original outfit rather than anything unique to her and her streams while the Gorilla association is actually related to her content and behavior.

Playing as Matsuri is not very fun imo.

>>43791689
I agree, spin to win is a horrible experience.

>>43791689
>>43791902
I stopped doing that completely and went for full collab runs. The dps increase isn't worth the pain.

>>43791689
>>43791902
On that note, what about adding actual personal weapon mods that change the behavior of the main weapon? say the Haatochama schtick but applied to everyone.

Just sayin, I would love to watch Sana throw fucking planetoids instead of just rotating around her, or in Matsuri's case, throw the merlion as a boomerang

hit the nuke, the wallz and the tears

Holozon boxes after upgrading everything should do something better than just giving 3-900 coins.

>>43791212
subaru also does sound like a duck so she isn't by any means making herself nowhere near a duck. what I do have a problem with is giving her the baseball thing when she hasn't touched powahpro in years

>>43794931
like what?

>>43795306
Not sure. Giving you a random anvil upgrade?

>>43794961
Well she used to appear on a guest on a vtuber stream about baseball. Subaru herself figured that was probably where the reference came from, though it was more likely just a generic tomboy reference with her design, cap and sportiness... despite her actual character setting being a club manager for MMA and Esports of all things. I can't really think of much else she could have for a weapon off the top of my head.
What actually seemed to bother her was that the Subatomo were being represented by her duck mascot, which she is quite specific in stating is a representation of her, not Subatomo who unfortunately don't have a design of their own unless you wanna mention Ore-kun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA7VvW8Wq_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUv3lWEaLBM
Maybe Ore-Kun will show up in Stage 3 Hard, like Guyrs is in Stage 1 hard.

>>43789163
Well that just frees up the archer spot for another future holo design