/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Prepare your Ina lewds

>>43408231
Recent clip numbers
>>43400857
>>43400885
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>>43400939
>>43400968

/#/ is reclining

>>43408046
>NTA but you have to be retarded to genuinely believe that stars is a toxic branding that devalues the entire brand.
Not just toxic, cancerous and you're literally retarded if you think otherwise.

>Homobeggars can only defend the Stars by comparing them to some other literal who Nijis
Nijinigger behavior.

>>43408212
Anon where did you think the bait originated?

>>43408279

Finally a good EN gold in a while

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>82,391: Marine (Hololive)
>30,999: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>30,598: Koyori (Hololive)
>30,188: Gura (Hololive)
>25,421: Salome (Nijisanji)
>25,354: Chloe (Hololive)
>24,514: Subaru (Hololive)
>23,389: Miko (Hololive)
>21,666: Kanata (Hololive)
>19,412: Towa (Hololive)
>14,312: Iroha (Hololive)
>14,025: Botan (Hololive)
>13,612: Hololive (Hololive)
>13,198: Subaru (Hololive)
>12,839: Lize (Nijisanji)
>12,811: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>10,682: Karuta (Nijisanji)
>10,554: Furen (Nijisanji)
>10,511: Nui (Nijisanji)
>10,447: Luna (Hololive)

Reminder that besides Coco's graduation, this is the most watched stream involving Marine
https://www.youtube.com/live/_gb44X05LsU
and that this makes Marine's fans really angry.

>>43408279
same fanbase

>>43407911
I bought it. Maybe it just me but I love it since I love alternate persona autism, notPekora being a meek president of the photography club activate my neuron

>>43408317
>FEBRUARY 2023 GOLDS
1) Marine (Hololive) - 48,323 - Drawing stream
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,371 - Pebot Minecraft
3) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 102,840* - 5th anniversary stream
4) Pekora (Hololive) - 34,140 - The Karaoke
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 45,516 - Minecraft
6) Marine (Hololive) - 41,228 - The Karaoke
7) Mito (Nijisanji) - 72,930 - Tsukino Mito vs Kenmochi Toya
8) Himawari (Nijisanji) - 57,917 - Honhima king collab
9) Pekora (Hololive) - 28,944 - Hogwarts Legacy
10) Miko (Hololive) - 39,954 - HoloCure new update
11) Gaku (Nijisanji) - 45,052 - Pachinko tournament
12) Mio (Hololive) - 55,820 - SMOK One-Block Minecraft
13) Subaru (Hololive) - 93,949 - Oozora Police 2023
14) Choco (Hololive) - 71,876 - 3D birthday live
15) Toya (Nijisanji) - 38,879 - Hogwarts Legacy
16) Lamy (Hololive) - 54,575 - New outfit reveal
17) Toya (Nijisanji) - 73,934* - Announcement stream
18) Marine (Hololive) - 82,391 - PekoMari mocopi totsumachi

>PER COMPANY
12x: Hololive
6x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
4x: Pekora
3x: Marine
2x: Toya
1x: Choco, Gaku, Himawari, Lamy, Miko, Mio, Mito, Nijisanji, Subaru

>2023 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
35x: Hololive
13x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
18x: Pekora
4x: Marine
3x: Toya
2x: Kuzuha, Nijisanji, Subaru, Towa
1x: Choco, Gaku, Himawari, Hololive, Koyori, Lamy, Miko, Mio, Mito, Nerumero, Nozomi, Polka, Roco, Suisei, Watame, Yashiro

>Holodex has 7 clips on Ollie's Apex Arcade or whatever it's called
>Out of those 7, 5 of them is Fauna killing herself
Did NOTHING happen in that stream or what

>>43408309
>good
can't even pass ID 3D debuts

On the Holostar branch debate, if I am Cover, then I will let them operate, if the goal is to have a market share on a specific demographic, if the ultimate goal is vtuber total domination. It seems that Cover is currently not doing well on that side but if it ain't hurting, don't remove it. But don't use hololive money to prop them up.
On the Tempus situation, there is this thing called opportunity cost. What a wasted time and effort. I don't know if the fault lies on Omegay, Yagoo or that Stars manager who resigned.

>>43408202
>the results of ACCELERATE
You know that's worse right? It looks like the upper management don't even have enough faith in their talents.
Not to mention it puts the responsibility squarely only on select few like King and Chinman.
On the other hand they have Stars members like Roberu with his steady and stable output and member like Astel that's hyper specialized. Any sane investors would prefer the Cover's than Anycolor way, especially when it's arguably safer and proven to be more profitable.

>>43408361
Idk. Fauna Cute!

*YESTERDAY'S FINAL EN TALLY*

>2/18 DAILY TALLY
30,174: Gura (Hololive)
9,418: Amelia (Hololive)
7,985: Millie (Nijisanji)
6,307: Uki (Nijisanji)
6,145: Ike (Nijisanji)


>EN GOLDS FOR FEBRUARY 2023
1) Baelz (Hololive) - 11,133 - Kinoko vs Takenoko
2) Baelz (Hololive) - 17,434 - Ministry Host Club
3) Amelia (Hololive) - 7,974 - Fallout New Vegas
4) Ina (Hololive) - 8,350 - Acessories Reveal
5) Baelz (Hololive) - 10,184 - Sausage Legend (w/ Subaru)
6) Mori (Hololive) - 9,020 - CHADcast (w/ Baelz & IRyS)
7) Mori (Hololive) - 31,776 - Outfit Reveal
8) Mumei (Hololive) - 14,044 - Unarchived Karaoke
9) Kronii (Hololive) - 13,735 - Unarchived Karaoke
10) Fauna (Hololive) - 8,880 - Minecraft
11) IRyS (Hololive) - 8,080 - Holocure
12) Gura (Hololive) - 42,601 - Return Stream
13) Amelia (Hololive) - 9,724 - Unarchived Karaoke
14) Mori (Hololive) - 11,194 - Unarchived Karaoke
15) Mori (Hololive) - 31,781 - Myth Offcollab
16) Fauna (Hololive) - 11,754 - Minecraft
17) IRyS (Hololive) - 12,370 - Unarchived Karaoke
18) Gura (Hololive) - 30,174 - Reveal Stream

>PER COMPANY
18x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
4x: Mori
3x: Baelz
2x: Amelia, Fauna, IRyS, Gura
1x: Ina, Mumei, Kronii

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
24p: Mori
21p: Baelz
17p: IRyS
15p: Fauna
14p: Mumei, Amelia
12p: Ina
10p: Gura
7p: Kronii, Vox
5p: Kiara
4p: Vesper
3p: Uki, Luca, Magni
1p: Mysta, Millie

just woke up, was 60k good or disappointing?

>>43408390
>if the ultimate goal is vtuber total domination
all it did was create competition from previously unknown corpos

>>43408407
>2023 EN GOLDS

>PER COMPANY
31x: Hololive
16x: Nijisanji
2x: Holostars

>PER STREAMER
5x: Mumei, Amelia, Mori
4x: Baelz
3x: Mysta, Ina, IRyS
2x: Vox, Selen, Pomu, Kronii, Fauna, Gura
1x: Ike, Flayon, Alban, Elira, Finana, Millie, Luca, Regis

>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
46p: Mumei
38p: Ina
33p: IRyS
32p: Fauna, Amelia
29p: Baelz, Mori
26p: Vox
23p: Mysta
17p: Kronii
14p: Luca
13p: Selen
12p: Kiara
10p: Pomu, Gura
9p: Millie
8p: Ike
7p: Regis
5p: Flayon, Alban, Elira, Finana
4p: Enna, Uki, Vesper
3p: Sonny, Hakka, Magni
1p: Meloco, Shinri, Gavis, Axel

>>43408390
The goal is diversification and risk mitigation, like any other successful company.
Even Anycolor is forced to play their game with their Lie:verse stuff.

>>43408438
a bit disappointing, expecting at least 70k but the recline is real

list of the dead/dying indies/small corpos

>Castella Inomori https://twitter.com/CastellaInomori
>Melonbread https://twitter.com/melonbread_69
>Raina Chiwawa https://twitter.com/RaniaChiwawa
>Selkie https://twitter.com/SelkieVT
>Virion Kisei https://twitter.com/virionkisei
>Sellena https://twitter.com/anelles_
>MoonJelly https://twitter.com/moonjelly0
>Suika Emi https://twitter.com/suikaemi
>Usami https://twitter.com/usami_vt
>RoaFen https://twitter.com/FenThePixie
>TsukimiLune https://twitter.com/TsukimiLune
>Etherna Celine https://twitter.com/ethernaceline
>Etherna Helen https://twitter.com/EthernaHelen
>Makoto & Akira Misaki https://twitter.com/ggnlive_withyou
>Orla Gan Ceann https://twitter.com/orlaganceann
>ProjectHarune https://twitter.com/ProjectHarune
>Lilita LaPlume https://twitter.com/lilitapuff
>Issei Kai https://twitter.com/isseikaich

places to end up for these streamers include
>NijiEN Gamers
>HoloEN3
>Phase Invaders/Phase Connect third gen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDUfwFZEICs

Other notes
Tsunderia Shuts down https://twitter.com/tsunderia_us/status/1618443736622501888
VReverie's 2nd generation of VTubers are now open https://twitter.com/VReverieLive/status/1619154341411315713
Tomopulse disbands https://twitter.com/tomopulse/status/1620192296099794944

>>43408449
>unknown corpos
Like what?

>>43408389
>On the other hand they have Stars members like Roberu with his steady and stable output
Anon, Robert is like ... 4 views ...

>>43408452
The homos doesn't even work as a backup if everything would go to shit

>>43408361
Why are you only looking at Ollie's frame for the hololive section and none of the other frames.

>>43408390
>if it ain't hurting

>>43408502
>Castella Inomori
July 30th
>Melonbread
July 23rd
>Selkie
October 16th
>Sellena
December 30th
>Usami
September 27th
>>RoaFen
January 6th
>Etherna Celine
July 27th
>>Etherna Helen
July 28th
>Makoto & Akira Misaki
November 6th

>>43408506
Now count how many second and third strings niji that could boast stable 4view.

>>43408504
Phase Connect

>>43408390
If I'm Cover, I wouldn't have named then Holostar in the first fucking place

>>43408271
This. Hololive is on the precipices of failing and the knife after it's throat is the Stars. The 50 female fans they roped in was not worth the 500,000 male fans they lost.

>>43408438
It was disappointing to me because I predicted Ina would pass Risu.

>>43408342
I will never understand why this retard keeps trying to push the Marine hates Noel thing for three years when it's never stuck

>>43408343
me on the right

>>43408438
She overperform ngl.

>>43408389
Fuck why are you comparing Star to Niji? You just said that Niji has the worse environment, then they should've have more worse subbed members. Star got everything put in table for them and still stay shitter.

>>43408256
sharts are excluded and today is marine gold again

>>43408598

>>43408438
She's the 2nd strongest Myth right now, it's not looking good for Kiara, Ame, and Mori

>>43408600
How is sex with Marine like Flare?

>>43408390
Given how holos like Nene felt the need to address the APEX tourney situation, the existence of the stars is more trouble than it's worth.

>>43408512
>all backups have to be successful
That's not how it works anon, even big company like Disney needs to diversify into video-on-demand service for example.
Disney straight up ate losses after losses in the billions of dollar until this year.

>>43408361
that tournament was despair inducing and i hope it made ollie gave up to do anything like that in the future

>>43408452
If the whole of Hololive flops, do you really think Holostars will save Yagoo's ass?
Treating them like the WNBA is not a good thing. Holostars has to learn to swim by themselves and not rely on Hololive resources. If they produce results and stay away from Hololive, Holofags won't be mad at their existence.

>>43408631

>>43408552

>>43408390
>if the ultimate goal is vtuber total domination
you dont want, else you'd have to pander to twitter troons as well, which are a small part of this community (which should have been gatekept from the start). You want to cultivate a good fanbase

https://youtu.be/rSxWa1IInyw?t=180
Apparently Cover's IPO documents also has some insight on how much sales the average talent bring to the Company. Not sure if it's also divided by branch like ANYCOLOR's docs in the right.

>>43408664
anon Holofags were mad at thier existence from the moment Rad miko debuted and he's never even mentioned hololive

>>43408438
Seeing how a lot of ppl were predictiing 80k+ and man even 100k+ it was pretty disappointing.

Saw one extra delusional tako that said "125k+ easy" lmao

>>43408633
ame has potential to surprise if the content is good, she's surprisingly liked by jaypees and somewhat mysterious to them

>>43408616
>You shouldn't compare two similar company with similar-ish business model
Are you for real?

>>43408671
Ame will be on the same day as roboco 3d live

>>43408688
Are you coping? They inclined hard after Tempus

>>43408390
>It seems that Cover is currently not doing well on that side but if it ain't hurting, don't remove it.
This lowers the bar and justifies the existence of IDStars, HoloES and HoloEU

>>43408599
They hate each other you retard. Marine is giga stacy riajuu while Noel is an autistic otaku.

>>43408729
>Ame
>Good content
AHAHAHHAAAHHA

>>43408716
You need to put your shitpost lenses back on.

>>43408729
50k or 55k with la creatividad. Her singing if she does some will filter

I think for the sake of having an entertaining race we all should help luxiem recover their viewers.
Otherwise is just gonna be holoen golds all months and who wants that?

>>43408729
>if the content is good
sir this isn't vrchat

>>43408390
holostars whole existence was to make sure that male vtuber market isn't monopolized and it did a shite job at that hahaha

>>43408452
So fucking dishonest.

>>43408741

>>43408738
If
>Ame's 3D showcase will be on the same day as Roboco's 3D live
predict the future shitposts

>>43408768
And that'll be why Noel offers Marine lessons in ASMR

>>43408633
Gura might underperform considering her shitty timeslot, so 60k could be the highest peak

>>43408826
ah so you are coping

>>43408829
More like Marine forces Noel to do that as a way to bully Noel.

>>43408703
Despite not knowing about hololive, the guy seems pretty knowledgeable on Nijisanji. He talked a bit about the dlsite drama and how nijiJP livers shies away from SC in general

>>43408768
It's been three years bro, it's time to let it go

>>43408664
They're not weaned on Hololive's teats no more anon, not since 2021.
beside there are multiple advantage of having sub-group even if they're less successful.
Like look at Holo 3D tech, you think they'd waste time testting it on Holomen? Fuck no, Stars is more appropriate to play lab rat especially because they're not Holomen level big and then use what they learned on Holomen.
It's no accident that Stars 3D always pushed the tech.

>>43408731
Fuck you just said they have different business model which lead to large disparity in sub and treatment of anycolor liver. My point is "Holo is different, all talents are treated the same and Star is still shitter"

>>43408882
So she bullies Noel by having a good time on stream together?

>>43408848
Gura still has her comeback buff since she barely streams, so I think it should go up to 78k

>>43408894
>destroys public perception of brand
>this is a good decision because corpos are supposed to waste money
retard

>>43408741
It's more appropriate to say they inclined after the absolute garbage that are Iluna and Xsoleil anon.
Why would you even compare Tempus to Phase Connect in the first place?

>>43408646
sorry dawg, but what's the point if the backup is failing too, is it even a "backup"

Alright, if I wasn't sure the homo apologist was trolling before, I'm sure now.

>>43408924
I'm betting 70k max if the debuff isn't too big. Something something cull

>>43408912
Noel isn't having a good time in those streams.

>>43408633
>2nd strongest Myth
anon, this is not a normal stream. On events, Mori is the 2nd strongest Myth

>>43408811
Who gives a shit about cripple gold
It's always all about HoloJP vs NijiJP in the real tally

>>43408941
Don't reply to the troll, Anon.

>>43408941
>Why would you even compare Tempus to Phase Connect in the first place?
Do you even read what you're arguing about?
Tempus debut created competition for HoloEN from other corpos.

>>43408967
*was

>>43408703
Average doesn't help much, especially when retards are busy arguing about which branch is more profitable It's JP for sure.

>>43408958
So despite Noel not having a good time, you are the only one who objects to Marine and Noel having more ASMR collabs?

Apparently many vtuber news group like khyo and falseyed will stop mentioning Niji to unforseen future both good news or bad news. Is this good or not?

>>43409007
khyo is dead anon

>>43408924
on a Thursday NA primetime? No way, 60k is her peak too
Kiara 40k since Saturday
Mori 70k since Sunday
Ame 50k since first time buff

>>43408894
Haven't you seen Peko's stream yesterday? Maybe Cover would use the holomems as lab rats directly and let them choose if they want to stream the scuff instead.

>>43408811
i like to watch trainwreck for the second time, count me in

>>43408996
No many people object to it

>>43409007
Were they really covering that much Niji drama? I thought these drama channels salivate more at the thought of Holo drama and sugarcoat everything Niji does

>>43408894
You do know you don't need holostars to test tech, right? They can do that with the staff that work on the 3D in the first place. If the best argument you have for the stars is "they're handy if you want people to test 3D tech" then that's extremely sad.

>>43409007
Good in the sense that "news" niggers are cancer and should fuck off. Bad in the sense that they'll still be leeching off Hololive.

>>43408729
She will bring her bullshit Smol/Low poly to her 3D showcase won't she? Well I'm tired of it

>>43409041
Like you and your sockpuppets?

>>43408498
if they wanted bigger numbers they should go for the late night JP timeslot
it'd be daytime for US, early evening for EU and night for JP
late evening US, middle of the night EU and morning JP hurts the numbers

>>43409007
Good if you are a nijifag, bad if you are a fan of any other vtuber

>>43408909
They have different business philosophy anon, their business model couldn't be more similar in general
>Debut successful chuuba and get money from merch/SC/sponsorships
>Rinse and repeat

The difference comes from what happens if 1st and 2nd strings Niji are gone. Like what we're seeing with NijiEN

>>43408438
you tell me

Wasn't the reason why ina's 3D showcase underperformed because she barely sings in it? she didn't even sung VIOLET ffs. I'm getting a headache reading the archive.

>>43408894
That is completely irrelevant

>Fauna is going to get mogged by Ame today
Kek

>>43408986
Yeah, come again when Phase broke 5view

>>43409007
people don't really care about nijisanji, hololive brings more viewers

>>43408848
Gura can easily pass 120k retard

>>43409041
sure they do

>>43409007
and where do you get this info anon? are you FalseEyeD's boyfriend or something?

>>43409064
When YouTube still had dislikes the Marine and Noel ASMR collab had loads of dislikes but the one with Choco hardly had any.

wtf Watame 15k

>>43409007
False did ignore Niji on his latest video. Idk why but maybe he is scared to use Niji IP or NijiEN contacted him to to create videos about them for a while for the drama to die over time.
But did he say that he will stop mentioning Niji for the meantime?

>>43409092
>underperformed because she barely sings in it
anon... The whole Myth is using their home 3Ds for like a year now, that is the only reason they got low numbers.

>>43409092
Singing is a debuff in 3D debut streams, nijinig.

>>43409112
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1627312192470278144
Risu is still missing, where is she? Her last tweet was 4 days ago

>>43408931
>destroys public perception of brand
proof next thread

>>43409112
Not bothered how many viewers they get, they took them from Hololive.

>>43409079
>ID
>get shilled by the biggest JPs like pekora in JP primetime timeslot with pekora lead in

>>43409079
>lost to Risu
GRIM

>Nijinnigers and Schizos start the baits threads again with the 3D.
Ina is really living rent free in their heads

>>43409092
>barely sings
She sang like 3 songs in it.

>>43409034
>Mocopi
Yeah no shit.
It's like arguing that 1st party tech is better than generic after market tech.

>>43409105
>Fauna is going to catch a funnel from Ame today
Ftfy

>>43409165
>they took them from Hololive
You'd have to be retarded to believe this given how completely disconnected their content is.

>>43409041
and that's why you have to come here and lie for three years right?

>>43409159
tf are you talking about? hololive 3D lives always stagnate every time there's a skit and go up again when they're singing.

>>43409210
Cope. Timeline doesn't lie.

>>43409183
Pekora only shilled Moona

>>43409044
>They can do that with the staff that work on the 3D in the first place
>why do rehearsal if the stagehands can do it themselves

>>43409007
Bad for NijiEN drama baiting is their bread and butter the tourists won’t show up. Having more people news on Hololive is unironically good for them

>>43409203
and that's too few.

>>43408637
sadly cover just can't get rid of the stars it would be bad PR even if people don't actually consume them.....sometimes I think that it would've been better if stars never existed in the first place

>>43409184
Tbf Risu's buff was her godly voice, kinda expect her to get 70k

>>43409227
not this one. ina 3d showcase peak in merch shilling

>>43409233
Phase fans are holo antis almost to a man. Pippa is a fan and Tenma likes the stars but their fans are genuine antis.

>>43408664
>If they produce results and stay away from Hololive, Holofags won't be mad at their existence.
DYRBI

>>43409245
And the effects were so apparent it's funny

>>43409079
It's rather interesting Ina had both a bigger waiting room than Moona and more unique chatters, despite having a significantly lower CCV peak.

>>43409213
I am telling the truth though.
Marine and her clique are bullies. They love to bully Noel, Korone and Watame.

>>43409278
Headcanon. I only care about numbers.

>>43409285
This but unironically
People don't hate the Stars themselves, but the fact that Cover keep trying to push them to the girls side

>>43409297
If you're telling the truth why is all the evidence coming from your head?

>>43409079
if Mori and Gura don't beat Moona things are going to be embarrassing

>>43409297
proof?

>>43409290
HoloID are not culled.

>>43409314
>I only care about numbers
The fact that you're saying correlation is causation unironically proves you're fucking retarded and don't give a shit about numbers.

Man kpopfags dedication (to wiewfarm) is something else
Also funny definition of streamers there

>>43409335
nijinnigers still seething... I see

>>43409332
Watch streams and you will see I am telling the truth.

>>43408942
Depends on your criteria of "failing" I guess.
Cover stakeholders clearly don't agree with you, not to mention Yagoo.
I guess the biggest takeaway is this, stars is similar if not bigger compared to 774.
Keep in mind that 774 is pretty successful, and no they're not using Patra's resources on weaker members.

>>43409287
what effects?

>>43409364
Cope, Homostars caused irreversible harm to HoloEN

>>43409372
Thousands of people watch those streams every day and yet you are the only one who says that, I wonder why

YAGOO PLEASE SAVE SALOME

>>43409290
wtf i thought moona 3d was flocked by jap tourists?

>>43409297
true and she loves to get bullied by them too

>>43409387
87k for her showcase

>>43409378
Wasn't 774 disbanded?

>>43409248
Rehearsing for a show =/= testing new tech, are you retarded?

>>43409366
>PH
flips... why am I not surprised

>>43409290
Moona's showcase was entirely singing with small talking segments in-between

>>43409402
Oh yeah she has an announcement about something,
Graduate?

>>43409366
these shitheads should all be banned from every platform

>>43409333
>People don't hate the Stars themselves

>>43409079
I was super sure that everyone would beat elira
Now i’m worried for kiara and ame

>>43409418
then why 0 nousagis appear then??:
>>43409290

>>43409422
only some of the sub units
>>43409444
I look at pinned prechat and it was about schedules

>>43409206
I don't think you get the point. My point is that why use Holostars as lab rats when they can go directly to Hololive?
You don't want Hololive lives to be scuffed? Ok. Use Holostars as lab rats for actual streams and gauge viewer reception.
But if the existence of Holostars is purely to test Cover tech, would it be insulting to Holostars and their fans? They could get potentially scuffed streams.

>>43409079
Anyone from myth not beating Elira's number will be something.

>>43409092
It underperformed because the NA time slot is dead, they don't watch shit live
unless you realize that YT still has a complete hate for verifying EN vtuber streams correctly [/spoilers]
But you can't say that or else you just get some retard saying >VOD cope

>>43409378
>I guess the biggest takeaway is this, stars is similar if not bigger compared to 774.
Absolutely delusional. Even average members of 774 like Rene are much bigger than the biggest sharts.

>a dollar spent on the stars earns 1.01 dollars
>a dollar spent on the girls earns 5 dollars
>Surely this means both are profitable and there is nothing wrong with spending dollars on the boys

Niggas must have flunk econ.

>>43409366
What the fuck?

>>43409431
Yeah man, why would stagehand need to rehearse the whole rigamarole of stage effect shits with the actual performers, just do it by themselves.

>>43408942
The point of them moving on streaming is to eat on netflix lunch.. Basically they're killing their potential enemy in the future. and disney has more money so might as well do it now or deal with larger problem in the future.

>>43409378
did you think that holostars can keep cover afloat if somehow all the girls are graduating at the same time?

>>43409498
>cull cope and VOD cope

>>43409393
I'm going to sub to competing corpos to help your point, especially since subs is the metric retard boomers care about

>>43409467
nousagis are membered to moona

How high are the chances that Mori will invite someone that will debuff her stream? I could see JP viewers going ''who?'' if she invites someone like Ironmouse and tabbing out

It's always hilarious to see the marineschizo try and find new places to spread his agenda to and yet fail to understand why nobody believes him

>>43409366
try to join some of their Discord server, you'll see how cutthroat these schizos are. They'll do ANYTHING for their faggot kekpop

>>43409505
>I spent $1 and I earned $5, that means if I spend $10 I will earn $50

>>43409333
Stars gen 1 was literally terrorized by jp schizos, newfag.
Fucking Yagoo had to back them up personally before they even debuted because unicorns hate them so much.

Ame doing the worst type of playthrough im pretty sure all 3 of her new vegas streams will have been all at different start times. Christ this woman is something else

>>43409580
The funnier bit is that he's been at this for three years and is still pulling the same strategy

>>43409396
I am not the only one though

>>43409183
>shilled
thats wierd considering i never saw any nousagi
there: >>43409290
But of course shcizos and nijinnigers don't care about that instead they just like to spin the roulette and start shitting HoloEN as always.
Stop lying about that crap already.

>>43409602
but you are though

Minecraft is evil

>>43409544
based, 10 years from now it will be remembered as the biggest blunder in vtubing

>>43409555
>They are there i swear i ENschizos and nijinniger ass
stop lying using pekora images

>>43409502
I love Rene but be real for a second.
Her biggest content is ASMR, even though she's a singer first.

>>43409555
Show me ANY NOUSAGI IN THE GRAPHIC then:>>43409290

>>43409502
>Rene
Mori should invite her and have a rap battle.

>>43409514
You're actually retarded, rehearsal is for actual parts of the performances that some tech intern can't replicate, such as if they have to do dance choreography or sing live. That has nothing to do with checking whether or not stage effects look right on screen. Testing of improvements in 3D tech involve things like object tracking or improved shaders. None of these need the streamers themselves to be there, like that clip of Yagoo controlling Roboco's model.

>>43409607
To be fair Pekora was the highest JP

>>43409378
holostars is literally yagoo's pet and here's the thing, comparing holostars to smaller corpo performance is retarded because it made you satisfied with current situation, look up or forward to see how far you were behind

>>43408551
this reminds me, didn't nijis use to make a tier list for their jp talents with...i think their median viewers ?

>>43409641
>>43409607
Stop samefagging nijinig

>>43408729
She will take off her coat, her chest with bouncy physics can bring a couple of thousand extra viewers

>>43409711
??

>>43409711
>>43409607
>highest nonID member
>thats wierd considering i never saw any nousagi
ogey

>>43409532
Cover stayed afloat when all they have is Sora and Roboco anon.
Could stars keep Cover afloat by themselves in this current form? Snowball's chance in hell
Could stars keep Cover afloat if by some misfortune they have to downsize massively and terminate all their talents except stars? No doubt whatsoever.

>new VTA group is officially named "Idios"
>they just had a amongus stream yesterday
>ccv wise it was Nozomi >> Toru > Sophia > Roco > Rika > Akari > Meruto
What is the appeal of Nozomi? She seems to have the best floor among all of them.

>>43409712
How is that more retarded than comparing stars to Cover's top billing performer?
Do you think Marvel should compare Fantastic Four to Avengers?

>>43409607
>>43409680
here faggots open wide

>>43409758
Holy delusion

>>43409743
>only 25%
>87k
>less than 10k
Thats it?
I thought was over 100k
So in other words NOTHING!!!!!

>>43409779
From her debut, she's Hololite.

>>43409813
Just look at other smaller agency like .Live for example.

>>43409823
>SEA monkey wants 100% from Pekora
ogey. This is why you monkeys have the lowest average IQ worldwide

>>43409808
less than 10k
So thats the screaming like retards like you were doing since yesterday?
less than 10k or even less than 5k???
Jesus Nijinnigers truly screaming and madling as always.

>>43409758
>Cover stayed afloat when all they have is Sora and Roboco anon
Cover was bleeding money at that time.

>>43409758
can't believe that cover is still a small company in 2023 just when there's only sora and roboco

>>43409758
If Cover sacked all the girls and was left with just the boys would the stakeholders consider the company a failure?
Conversely, if Cover sacked all the boys and was left with just the girls would the stakeholders consider the company a failure?

>>43409290
You're using unique chatters cope now? Then you just wait for Kobo's 3d because no one in Hololive can surpass Kobo in unique chatters.

>>43409836
Will she turn down Anycolor and try to join Hololive?

>>43409505
Then why spend a dollar on T3MPUS to earn 1.01 when you can spend a dollar on EN3 to earn 5?
There is nothing wrong at spending dollars for the boys, but we have to weigh in the opportunity cost.
Yagoo or Omega wanted to capture the EN homo market in exchange for the rejuvenation of the dying EN holo mindchair.
I would say Omegay's decision is good for the company but there are superior alternative decisions.
And the drama. My goodness the drama. The "unforseen" cost. Plus the unicorns seething, the goodwill lost.

>>43409711
anon...despite the jokes about her nihongo Miko is indeed still jp

>>43409884
stay mad sister, you ask where is the nousagi?
You got shown and you move the goalpost

>>43409724
Stop shitting the thread MythSchizo

>>43409697
Are you a 3D technician?
Are you saying you know better than Cover's tech department?
Holy delusional faggot.

>1 day ago
>30k views
Polka and Reine literally just burned money. It's kino though

>diversify the market cope
Fans will literally just fuck off, it's not a case of just providing alternate products to different people.
Male vtubers existing causing less interest in vtubers. Permanently. That's all there is to it.

>>43409947
that's Princess Reine for you, money is never a problem

>>43409491
Because shit like Roberu 3D mishap is damaging if it were to happens to, say, Pekora.
Especially when Cover is this big.

>Entire post detailing how Tempiss was a mistae
>"I would say Omegay's decision is good for the company"

>>43409975
nor being a 3view

>>43409940
When the fuck did Cover's tech department claim that they really needed holostars to be a thing so that they could test their 3D tech?

>>43409836
?How? I don't see that from her content.

watame 19k woooaww

>19-0
>constant Holo v Holo/Cover Doomposting

it's all so tiresome

https://twitter.com/achan_uga/status/1627305104683716612?s=46&t=2agp3cBMPuRZhp8xD6XsKw
There's going to be an announcement on a-chan's birthday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAYP0UKefNQ
This is, by far, her worst month in a while.

>>43409491
>would it be insulting to Holostars and their fans? They could get potentially scuffed streams
They don't really care anon, they're happy stars even get 3D in the first place.

>>43409467
>>43409641
>>43409680
>>43409884
>>43409823
I did :)
Now you can stop arguing

>>43409940
I guess the one thing that stars provides is being test dummys for 3d tech

>>43410009
seems like she larps like a chuuni and suprising no male collab yet

>>43410009
I said from debut. I never watched her again after that.

>>43410002
still swimming in money than any of your ''livers'' sister, stop hiding behind a Holo png kek

>>43409161
Might be in Japan

>>43410027
graduation imminent...

>>43409920
>the goodwill lost.
roru
Unicorns faggots are what pushed Cover and Anycolor to join hands in order to combat talent's hate.
Have you forgotten about what happened to Kronii's biggest unicuck?

>>43410047
I am pretty sure they are still in the collab ban period. So far they only collab with their own group.

>>43409920
>good for the company
The creation of them at some point - maybe
The way it was actually handled - No fucking way
They are a net loss before you even start thinking about opportunity cost

WATAME 20K

You now remember the 3rd gens concerts 3d ship

>>43410005
Ask them yourself retard.
All I know is Holomen 3D is relatively scuff free compared to 2020 and earlier.

>>43410011
>stream block game
>get big numbers
simple as

I feel like no one here actually understands what these overlap percentage numbers mean

>>43409899
Kobo has the highest?

>>43409934
>>43410034
> you move the goalpost
Didn't always this thread like to shit EN and MYTH because "muhhh numbers are better than yours" in a retarded way and post bait threads every time YOU FUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for moving goalpost. You shit on ina every thread in in global yesterday You don't deserve any thread or breath like like the rest of the threads you deserve to die for make fun of my Oshi you piece of shit.
Change you thread to Anti MYTH and Holo EN. Fucking irrelevant piece off shit thread

>>43409779
Pretty much like Shikinagi w/ a mix of Laplus. Has her own chunni catchphrase in "Welcome to Underground." Stays in character and has a cute laugh.

>>43410155
Why don't nijilivers have big numbers then?

Not even going to pretend vtubing has any success outside of girls being cute.
Japan is only different because 95% of men are literally too afraid of bullying to show their faces.

>>43410161
You don't say?

>>43410135
May all be blessed by her light.

>>43410164

>>43410028
At least she isn't playing Fire Emblem

>>43409607
Nips are well-mannered, they don't spam nonJP chat with their language. Unlike westurds and indogs

>>43410161
Isn't it proportion of chatters that also chat in other channel's accounts? I don't really remember.

>>43410124
just check and it's true. Seems like Niji is really following HOLO model for the girls. But some of them appear in the main channel

Oh I just realised why sisters are so bad lately. Not only are nijiEN getting dumpstered, Salome is finally a 4 view.

>>43409886
No shit, all they have is sub-1k viewers between Sora and Roboco.
Yet nevertheless they persisted.

>>43410184
only works for hololive box
she's the only one from the box that's currently streaming it

>>43410154
You're the one making the claim Holostars are absolutely necessary to Cover for testing 3D tech, put up or shut the fuck up.

>>43410164
Ok but I am a nousagi and I DID show up

>>43410155
Why won't EN try it?

Did Salome announce something fun?

>>43409896
This is such a shit analogy I can't even begin to start.

>>43410017
How bout them Finana outfits numbers...

>>43408599
He has a hateboner for marinefags because Marine spoils his image of pure NoelFlare romance and has spent the last three years shitposting here because he thinks if he shitposts hard enough it'll affect something

The moral of the story is, don't spend too much time in /u/

>>43410257
No you didn't, you just watch refresh the page to see muuh numbers crap

>>43410133
>They are a net loss before you even start thinking about opportunity cost
Kek. I just assumed they are profitable in the first place. But companies tend to act like that if they wanted the competitor out. But in Cover's case, they failed so badly.

>>43410221
>finally
Coma-chama...

>>43410257
Where? I don't see you in these
>>43409808
>>43409290

>>43410262
You say that like any of us watch Salome here

>>43410304

>>43410237
>Claim
They literally said it themselves retard.
Stars took over INNK role.

>>43410302
as in, a consistent 4-view rather than "every other week she gets one 4-view stream".

Theory: Hololive has had 3 voluntary graduations in 5 years because they make so much money. It took extraordinary circumstances to force 2 of them out.

>>43410323
>less than 5k

>>43410278
>pure NoelFlare romance
huh?

Real SEA hours in here

>>43410292
Well you see, that red bar literally show I did watch the entire thing, though you kind of just have to take my word for it that I watch stream and not VOD. Dunno why you are so mad about it, I just want to have some fun discussion, even slide in a :) so you know I wasn't serious

>>43408703
Some interesting things in here
>Dude has a friend who worked for a game studio that have collabed with Cover, he said that they are pretty good to work with and are more than happy to work again with them in the future
>Nijisanji pays an average of 4.5M, Cover 5.1M for their staff per year.
>Cover needed 4x the amount of staff per talent compared to anycolor to support their activities and other businesses
>Cover's profit margin will be significantly lower compared to Anycolor as long HoloEarth is still on development (2024 planned for release)
>Pointed out Cover is doing an IPO for Studio development and merchs supply chain development
>Cover's shareholders will be locked from selling for 180 days (expect a similar price dive as ANYCOLOR's)
>Felt that Cover didn't need to do an IPO for their goals based on their current financials
>Cover listing 5x more shares (in percentage) than Anycolor means more secondary market buyer can have the chance to own, -> less market manipulation
>Initial survey among early investors predicts the price will close at 2130 yen at IPO/first day. 3x from Cover's initial IPO price
>Conclusion: as long as HoloEarth isn't a complete disaster, it will have better market gains than anycolor considering there are a lot of things that can be easily/reliably made more efficient in Cover's operations such as supply chains and cost per talents.

>>43410326
Yeah, where the fuck did they say it, is what I'm asking you. Also source for your claim that INNK was a place to test new 3D tech.

>>43409719
>nijis
Nah, it was this thread.
Last year graph was so disheartening that only top 20 nijilivers broke the 2k barrier.

>>43410278
You hate Noel but then you get upset when people say that Marine and Noel hate each other. Why are you so desperate for them to be friends when you hate Noel?

>>43410298
Of course they are profitable in their own bubble, but not when they have to offset what they did to HoloEN

>>43410361
Seethe hour

>>43410367
>I wasn't serious
KEKKK so you didn't even watched it live, retard

>>43410326
INNK didn't test stuff on stream. They did it privately first, then did it live

>>43409992
seethe

>>43409297
Oh marineschizo, can you tell me what food does she hate?

>>43410218
it's about the statistical interpretation that most people do wrong

>>43410361
EN winning global gold causes upset and unrest

>>43410256
they legitimately do not have the autism required to enjoy playing block game for years
well, kronii does but she also hates streaming it and streaming in general
fauna is probably the closest one but she doesn't have the stamina of top JPs

Shit like this is the reason vtubers will never become popular out of Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCdxzhCszoY

>>43410348
he ships Noelflare and takes it seriously enough that he thinks anyone who says something like "Noel and flare aren't dating" or "NoelMari" hates Noel

>>43410395
Well like I said, you just have to take my word for it :), I know I watched it live though

>>43410439
Not gonna watch your 2 view.

>>43410412
Marine hates all non-fried food.

>>43410429
explain it

>>43410404
Yeah, just like Stars.
They even took over INNK old studio and some of it's techs.

my cute wife

>>43410494
45k max

>>43410385
gee anon I wonder why people get upset when you lie?

>>43410343
Isn't this obvious? Hololive is incomparable in its field as long as you have a thick skin. Even the fucking Stars make decent money now.

>>43410381
Have you seen any INNK 3D at all newfag?

>>43410503
Abayo~

>>43410523
Can you source your shit if you're going to keep on claiming that Cover has said that holostars are necessary for 3D tech testing?

>>43409079
Indochads... I kneel.

I just realize I did not watch 100% of Pekora streams, this is unacceptable
What is your streamwatching rate /#/? Mine is probably 80% depend on how busy I am

>>43410516
Do you not hate Noel?

What are that chances of Kiara getting global gold?

>>43410343
>Coco
>Aloe, maybe? If you want to stretch the term of voluntarily
Who's the third one?

>>43410375
>Cover didn't need to IPO
This is fair, but it looks like some seris A seed-type investors wanted to cash out since Cover doesn't need their money anymore, and this would also let Cover keep extra cash on hand instead of having to spend down their reserve cash fund. You never know when something retarded happens and you incur some emergency costs.

>>43410577
50%
Either she got it or not, simple as

>>43410567
no

>>43410576
sana

>>43410577
99.7%

>>43410577
Oh so you switched to kiara to bait now?

>>43410375
>as long as HoloEarth isn't a complete disaster
I'm afraid that HoloEarth is going to crash and burn, but fingers crossed it'll work out

>>43410586
Though this is just speculation. Company would never state the exact reason why they go IPO

Any interesting /news/ for past 24 hours? These forced arguments are so dumb.
Also who win the gold?

>>43410608
Nice butt

I missed Zaion.

>>43410503
if you're going to get banned anyway, post more

>>43410599
Oh right I forgot that she technically left voluntarily and not because of her back

>>43410503
chotto matte...

>>43410577
Unless she manages to really hit it outta da park, I say 33% chance. She's probably not breaking 45k.

>>43410624
Ina

>>43410624
Ina

>>43410593
Then why do you want them to be friends?

>>43410480
these percentages do NOT mean x% of the viewers that watched were from Holo Y
they only mean x% of the CHATTERS are from Holo Y
if a 100k stream has 1k chatters, that means the chatters are only 1% of ALL viewers and then this app takes these 1% and cross-references them
at the end it tells you only x% from these 1% also watch Holo Y

>>43410659
because they are?

>>43410623
Yea, its just very strongly suggested, given they announced they were gonna spend a whole lotta fucking money building a new 3d studio.

>>43410624
no

Unnämed's song is still gaining good numbers. Might hit 1 million before the 1 month threshold.

Use this whenever someone bring up unique chatters
https://vrabi.net/video/1LWLFloakec

I got curious and look up Live Aid 1985
Holy shit that concert was some real shit. I wonder if some day Vtuber will unite to have one really big concert like that too, with all of the biggest Vtuber performing on the same stage

>>43409454
People do hate them personally, but they wouldn't have hated them had they stayed in their own corner. They are hated for being unwelcomed invaders, not for their personality or anything.

>>43410669
No they aren't.

>>43410375
I mean we already knew HoloEarth was basically eating Cover's resources and that if it was a success then they are golden.

I kinda feel like comparing the two companies is apples to oranges outside of concerts. The seem to have different trajectories and business aspirations.


>Felt that Cover didn't need to do an IPO
I feel the same thing. They were spending a lot on HoloEarth but they could still expand with what they have. Let's hope the new studio does actually put them well above what they have now.

>>43410618
It looked pretty cool for the mini live last year. Don't know if it will make money or have any legs though.

>>43410618
as long as Holos play it and promote it as a chance of play along side your oshi, it'll do okay

>>43410375
>>Conclusion: as long as HoloEarth isn't a complete disaster, it will have better market gains than anycolor considering there are a lot of things that can be easily/reliably made more efficient in Cover's operations such as supply chains and cost per talents.
>cost per talent
I love how any sane person could see that cover is spending too much on their talents and how they should immediately rectify that

>>43410434
It's sad EN have to rely on block game to incline, same with ID

>>43410559
I never said
>necessary
You bad-faith retards.
I said Cover utilizes Stars as test dummy just like INNK.
I won't even lie to you, I literally forgot which stream that supports my claim, I'll get back to you as soon as I find it.
But we can see the improvement in Hololive 3D and almost everytime they tested it first in Stars.
Individual finger tracking? Izuru and Rikka literally played guitar live.
Realistic 3D object interaction? Bossu, Roberu, and Aruran played soccer on stream.
The fucking object-tacking on their Live2D?
And so on and so on.

>>43410651
Ah... Ina was today. I thought Aki's 3D Live was today... Any new date for her postponed birthday live yet?

>>43410740
The only purpose Cover has is to give holomems their money

>>43410709
>72,000 people
I can easily see it being possible eventually

>>43410722
you are the one jumping through hoops to say that two people who collab frequently and share great chemistry on stream somehow aren't friends because of reasons that only you know because of your psychic mind reading abilities, and then you wonder why people are upset

>>43410577
My rational head says about 20-30% with sub 30K gold which gonna makes this thread goes faster than light.

when was Zaion suspension?

>>43410618
It's literally VRchat but for concert anon, they have to be absolutely blasted-out-of-their-ass drunk to make that unprofitable.

Time for idolen2 to siphon out more cute girls from the pool of avaiable girls interested in vtubing from en3...

>>43410577
20%-30%

>>43410765
Audience size was one thing but that concert was historical cause it have all of the greatest bands and singers at the time gathered on one stage together. The sheer scope of it was insane for just a charity live show

Seems like there is a serious lack of Janny around here huh? The last recruitment was just a few months ago too.

>>43410770
Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman from the Myth Busters had a show together but they were enemies behind the scenes.

free bj anons, just tell marineschizo that you dislike marine and he will suck your dick for free.

>>43410747
You're the bad-faith one here. Using the ginea pig angle to try and say the Stars' existence is justified.

>>43410747
>individual finger tracking
You're saying you NEED holostars to test finger tracking instead of having an intern do it?
>realistic object interaction
You're saying you NEED holostars to kick a ball around instead of having an intern do it?
>object tacking on live2D
You're saying you NEED holostars to tack something on a live2D instead of having an intern do it?
You tried to claim that holostars was somehow integral to all of this tech shit being tested, retard, if they're not necessary then I'm glad we agree that they're UNNECESSARY.

Ina is kinda gross stop

>>43410833
and we learned about that through your psychic mind reading abilities didn't we?
Oh wait we didn't

>>43410861
No, they confirmed it.

>>43410028
Too bad for Rat, last year was decent since it's new and it fills in the gap when the other member aren't streaming, but this year hiatus people are back already, and there's more stream energy due to offcolabs, 3d showcase and whatnot so she's back at her usual position. She would definitely do much better if she do it last month when streams are scarce.

Man I wonder how Gura number would be if she dedicates herself to stream every day of the month

>>43410757
Probably in the week before friday

>>43410849
I don't get your point

Sugoi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mr1bhHgTi0

>>43410841
>justified
More like Cover's innate ability to utilize everything in service of their talent.

>>43410797
>>43410738
How often are they going to be playing on it and making concerts? It just sounds like a thing you do every couple of months, which lead to my worries about it failing. A Hololive themed VR Chat doesn't sound like something sustainable for the long term

>>43410898
Bad faith.

>>43410375
>>Cover listing 5x more shares (in percentage) than Anycolor
I thought they aren't doing a full IPO? Why are they selling more of the company than Anycolor?

>>43410879
exactly, so until Noel or Marine publicly makes a statement you are claiming that they hate each other via information that you can only obtain if you're a mind reader, and then you wonder why nobody believes you and gets upset when you spout lies

>>43410849
Hey, retard, go look at Niji 3D tech.
I guarantee you that's the result of poor optimization and "testing it on their staff".

>>43410849
HoloStar being the test subject is just Yagoo's buzzwords to make them feel important. Like a mother praising their cripple child for holding the spoon right.

>>43410577
if she gets around 50k she has a chance in a very slow day

>>43410880
>Man I wonder how Gura number would be if she dedicates herself to stream every day of the month
That would be when she return to her home. For now she will ask Ina the switch to play Kirby next week

>>43410442
but they are dating tho

trust the plan anons

Huh, I guess the wheel landed on holostarsJP today.

>>43410931
That's the total number of available shares, so that includes existing shareholders that are looking to sell now.