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Rushia did it to herself and I have no sympathy for anyone so stupid they forget to turn off Discord notifications.

It's really telling how kikeson has to keep coming up with new models, 3D concerts, weird 3D models (most of it an utter failure) to keep relevant because her actual streams are boring as fuck.

Don't care about that lying whore Rushia, will never watch her again

Nothing wrong with the VShojo move but they never really went anywhere with it. Would have been better to just start their own corpo but neither of them have either the capital, the motivation or the brains to actually run one.

>>43342452
what the fuck is their tallent? sucking dick?

>>43342452
Albert Einstein he could make allot of weapons

>>43342452
when is vshojoJP getting some new members? they could easily compete with niji and holo if they expanded. remember the sheer amount of hype when nazuna was revealed at AX last year?

>>43342452
I saw kson without make up few days ago.. Holyshit lol she looks like she can pass as somebody's aunt.

>>43342452
why do phaseflips hate them so much

>>43342632
Vshojo doesn't recruit. They poach. Right now there's simply no relevant indies they want to poach, that's it.
Maybe Saruei and Shylily but they're EU and no corpo wants to touch EU streamers.

>>43342493
>implying OP had any talent in the first place

>>43342452
At least Kson has the Yakuza game stuff going for her so that’s pretty cool. Does Nazuna even stream anymore? I know Miguel Gatto does even now and then but what about the tenshi persona?

Pomu

>>43342541
if they could get proper support instead whatever vshojo offers (which at this point im sure is literally nothing) they would probably be doing a lot better instead of just being generic twitch streamers

>>43342452
You, your oshi

>>43342539

>>43342636
Anon, she is an aunt.

KSon seems to have the freedom to do basically anything she wants. If (You) truly believe she's wasted talent, that just means you don't think she has talent. The other one is insane.

>>43342737
Good luck poaching JP streamers, they already lucked out on Nazuna and I doubt they'll be able to poach anyone else for years to come

>>43343210
>he is unaware

>>43343235
Kson straight up said to not expect anything at all

>>43343292
she said that In september last year

>>43342855

>>43343346
And nothing has changed unless they feel like actually doing auditions instead of poaching big names

if by some black magic my oshi ends up over there i will anti the entire rest of vshojo with a passion
kson specifically

>>43343346
Who was the last sizeable JP chuuba KSon collabed with?

>>43343634
your mom

>>43343166
I mean, isn't that a given?

>>43343739
Not to be an anti, but just stating facts: it's clear the VShojo brand is toxic in the JP vtubing mainstream. There's no next in VShojo Next.

>>43343816
I don't think you have any idea what the JP vtubing community thinks.

>>43343166
she is wasting her own talent
the rules she had to abide by forced her to be more creative with what she does
now, she has no rules. so no reason to be really creative

>>43342452
This fucking bitch is rotting away in a 1 view japanese company. In a world where Cover offered japanese work visas and their recruitment department wasn't retarded she would be having a monthly AOE2 collab with Moona

>>43343927
What do they think then?

>>43343927
What can be plainly observed backs my rrat up a lot more than VShojo ever being able to poach another sizeable JP vtuber.

>>43342452
Vshojo JP branch is basically another company at this point.

>>43343107
Aunt and all id still fuck if she offered.

>>43344121
nobody has joined holojp in over a year now
guess the japanese vtubing scene absolutely abhors hololive

>>43344079
Japs are not a hivemind but they respect formal employment. If Kson can stay employed they don't give a shit what she does. Nazuna actually far exceeded expectations for pc case sales which is why she is getting a nendoroid next.

>>43344219
That's why I asked you first if Kson collabed with any sizeable JP vtuber. What, you think she doesn't want to do collabs?

>>43344341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_BBGx-Rs2Q

>>43344219
HoloJP had 10 times the members in the timeframe of VshojoJPs existence. In the first place who the fuck thought making a branch with only 2 members was a good idea if they weren't planning to inmediately get more members? Even Sony's failure project started with 5 people

>>43344414
Karen is not Japanese

>>43342632
>compete with niji and Holo
/Scoffs aoftly

>>43342452
Riddle me this, I liked Reddit Dragon but never vibed with Kson. Even before her VShojo arc.

>>43344462
More Japanese than you.

>>43344574
because >>43343956

>>43344574
Some guardrails good. Some management good.

>>43344462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWE-JhDu_GA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjqgS4I028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRr5R8zZT6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj4Nj7J04zg
You're making it sound like she is depersonalized or something.

>>43342632
That joke was hilarious, “vshojo could compete with holo and niji”, that’s comedy gold, will you be here all week?

>>43344768
what? karen is factually not japanese nor is karen a vtuber
dude asked when kson last collabed with a prominent JP VTUBER
karen is neither of those and also not in any of those videos you linked

>>43344079
It's hard to generalize hundreds of thousands of people's opinions, but from what I've seen it's generally positive in the "it's a neat startup with some real potential" sense. I honestly haven't seen anything negative, it's all neutral or positive.

>>43344768
If you ask me I doubt vshojo would even think of getting any of these people, even the lower end holos, unless kson herself makes the decision

>>43342452
Why hasnt there been any new recruits into vshojo JP? Could have used the initial momentum of these two at the time to make twitch super attractive to Japanese audiences

>>43345000
Because they're aiming ridiculously high with who they want to poach instead of simply doing auditions

>>43345000
Because there's absolutely no reason for big names to join it, vshojo won't get them new audience and even some of the audience might leave.

>>43345096
you're not getting in 2view
get over it

>>43345257
No one's getting in at all lmao

>>43343210
The only reason they even established a JP branch was so they'd have an excuse to poach 2 of the top Holos, let's be honest.

>>43345414
didn't you ENvtuber (predebut) (they/them) types get mad at haruka for getting in?

>>43345596
>entire thread about VshojoJP
>"b-b-but what about EN!"

>>43345681
sounds like a "yes"

>>43345547
Not even top, they were already has-beens by the time they joined.

>>43346453
Rushia was pretty big, I mean she was getting over 10k viewers easily.

>>43342737
I don't think Shylily would ever join a corpo with Veibae.

>>43344414
That isn't a vtuber.

>>43342832
Nazuna is currently on hiatus.
Her birthday is in a few days, so she'll stream then.

>>43346541
Honestly that's fair, Mike's problem was that she constantly deleted the VODs.

>>43342452

>>43346827
why is she on hiatus if she's so perfectly happy?
https://twitter.com/VShojoJP/status/1625678694558887936

>>43346585
Aren't they pretty cool with each other now? They made up a long time ago I believe.

Talent Freedom campaign made me laugh, and that alone seems to have made VshojoJP worth it.
Who could have imagined that this simple motto would bring all sorts of tragedy to VSJ?

>>43346847
>VODs
Her main issue is that she's not able to stream very often due to mental and physical health issues. And frankly, when her mental health is bad, it'd be better for her to just not stream at all.
>>43346882
She had absolutely no part in making that comic considering it was written in English and she hasn't even liked or retweeted it as Nazuna. Try using your brain.

>>43346853
Just wait for my nigga Kante

>>43346965
Everyone makes mistakes.

>>43347007
i was never suggesting that she did have a part in making it
what i'm suggesting is that it was made to cover up how she isnt actually enjoying her time there

>>43345000
you're better off being in any other agency besides vshojo if i'm a JP vtuber

>>43347116
It's been obvious for months now that VShojoJP want to portray the image of her being happy to be there. It's true most of the time, but I'm not going to pretend that she hasn't expressed dissatisfaction with the way they run things.
And she should. The issues of inconsistent TL for her streams should have been sorted by now. On top of that, she clearly wants a Box to play with, something which VShojo can't offer her with its non-existent JP Branch.

Where are best offboard drama sites to catch up on / get context for past controversies?
(Eg why rushia got graduated for having a boyfriend and the other stuff she did that i don’t remember)
There’s some weird niche boards i’ve never seen before that pop up sometimes

>>43347270
Rushia wasn't dating the alien, and if you're that far behind on information, then you're hopeless.
Why not ask for a rundown of events from her fans instead of a dox site?

>>43347250
then they probably should have waiting until they had another 2 or 3 jp girls on board and launch them all at once
it's really dumb how they handled the entire vshojojp thing.
mike can likely do better on her own anyway, i dont see any reason for it to continue

>>43342452
Laplus Darkness

>>43347424
laplus actually succeeds in covers and music.

>>43347355
> you’re hopeless
> but also go ask people

>>43347376
Isn't it obvious why they launched early?
They make their money from merch. In other words, as long as the girls maintain their core fanbase, VShojo makes money from them.
Even when Nazuna announced her hiatus, they were still advertising new merch for her, so it's a success for them.

>>43347355
Can you explain the rushia stuff then? I never followed it and am pretty curious

>>43347505
I'm just shocked that there are people who are still operating on literal Day 1 knowledge.
I don't think that guy actually wants to know the exact rundown of events either.

>>43347545
>gets DM from famous utaite
>ambigious enough to make it uncertain if they're dating or not
>goes to manager to get help, manager is on holiday
>goes to known dramatuber, provides receipts to show that she wasn't co-habiting with the utaite
>also gives screenshots of her manager's convo, about being on holidays, to explain why she's going to him
>Cover finds out
>sending internal communications to an external party = NDA break
>Cover fire her for this
She wasn't dating the utaite.

>>43347509
makes sense, but its still a shitty thing to do to her.
just for that though, i'm hoping she decides to leave and the whole vshjp thing crumbles
>>43347639
poor girl panicked, did something stupid and has been pretty much all alone since then

>>43347639
you left out the part where she was asking said dramatuber for advice on how to get into said utaite's pants, which is why said dramatuber "leaked" that they were dating immediately after the yab and forced her to run to him with the receipts to try and reverse the damage

>>43347639
Thank you. That just seems so silly. I thought she was cute so it is a shame.

>>43347639
>She wasn't dating the utaite.
But she wishes she was.

>>43347873
She wasn't trying to cheat on her fans.
Most of Korekore's speculation was said without proper receipts and the utaite also said that he doubted she had feelings for him at all

>>43347877
You should watch her as either Mikeneko or Nazuna if you get a chance.
She really appreciates her EOP fans, probably more than most JP vtubers do, because she recognises how they also stood by her through her debacle.

>>43342540
I dont think it would even take much capital in the first place. Kson would really just have to get someone to make a website, draw some models, rig those models, and get a lawyer to help with registering the company. It's not a big deal.
It was pretty much just her being lazy. With her popularity, she could have easily made a good vtuber agency, she just chose not to.

>>43342504
I thought that happened when JP discord had the streamer mode bug, IE: showing notifications even when they were turned off? Not that she couldn't have just closed it and not had him on her main if he was.

>>43347928
>Most of Korekore's speculation was said without proper receipts
He showed the receipts of Rushia advising with him about her love life.
>the utaite also said that he doubted she had feelings for him at all
That was to cover his own ass.

>>43348056
She was distracted during the stream
GTAV has a bunch of copyrighted music that she couldn't let play, so she had to focus on that. And it was a collab, so her attention was divided between that and talking to Miko.

>>43347270
She got fired cause the bitch was leaking to drama channels and suicide baiting her manager and other holomem. She broke her NDA and an NDA is sacred in jp business so breaking one means you'll never work anywhere.

>>43348137
>cuck poster
>ESL
Nice. I thought they range banned SEA

>>43342452
Why do you people go out of your way to mald over people you don’t like?

>>43348042
it's sad that you don't even realize how fucking stupid you look when you write stuff like this
you don't know the reasons why she's doing the things she's doing and yet you're still here larping as some businessman
she doesn't want to be a pencil pusher office worker
she doesn't want companies to own vtuber characters/models
and yet you say that she should do both those things at the same time

>>43342493
...
Thanks?

yeah, these twos are still doing fine and hugely popular compared to the rest of the industry. meanwhile the following two are truly wasted talents who will never take off.

Yuko Yurei @ idol corp
Miyoshino Shiki @ PRISM Project

https://discord.gg/ERfF3HBK3w
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>>43348042
Most likely she had non-compete clause that prevented her from making a company for a year, so after so much time ironmouse and Melody already convinced her on joining Vshojo since it's so ''free'' and could make her dreams come true, but we are yet to see significant shit.
>B-but her concert and the Yakuza audition
The concert is expected by any company in the world already, it's a standard at this point and the Yakuza thing is not a given, she's AUDITIONING, there is a chance thay she doens't make the cut, Vshojo didn't use their connections to get her in and if she gets in it's all by herself.

>>43348300
So why didn't she create a JAPANESE company that does all she wants instead of joining a foreign company that will in no way help or change the JP scene even in a miniscule way? Or is it that instead of "she doesn't want companies to own vtuber characters" it's "she doesn't want companies to own HER character"?

>>43347821
There was a situation back in April where she was harassed very badly by the Genshin community just because of her reputation and the fact that her fans actually donate to her
They spread rumours claiming her fans were harassing people to get accounts in order to play with her or even accusing her of harrassing players
Even when it was proven that the main instigator had falsfied the story with a sockpuppet, the general response was still hostility towards Mikeneko for trying to clear her name. She ended up ridiculously depressed afterwards.

>>43348667
vshojo japan is japanese company
and she legitimately wants every vtuber to at least have the option to buy themselves out

>>43348300
NTA but do you even realize how stupid (You) sound?
>she doesn't want to be a pencil pusher office worker
she wanted to be a manager from the START but she chose streaming over it since she couldn't do both, but she wanted that ''office worker'' thing first
>she doesn't want companies to own vtuber characters/models
That's on her right to think but many know that's fucking stupid, why? because nothing prevents a talent to pump and dump any agency who does that, there are already examples of people doing so
>and yet you say that she should do both those things at the same time
No, that anon is saying she should start the agency she dreamed about, not that she should become Cover 2.0, stop projecting.

>>43347873
Expecting rushia fans to tell any truth

>>43348830
she was not close to holo management and she never applied to be a manager dumbass
that was literally a chinese rrat to divert management hate towards her
she applied just like everyone else
and you're fucking stupid if you don't understand that i meant the vshojo business model where you pay for your own shit, not giving away free stuff like cyberlive did
and what that guy was describing is nothing close to "the agency she dreamed about"

>>43348968
Her antis are by far the biggest liars.
There was a random post on 5ch on the day of her termination saying something like
>never trust an APEX woman
A random post, no info. 5ch decided that this was her post. They repeated it, ad nauseum, for months on end. Every thread.
When she went to play APEX on stream, they were giggling to themselves saying
>I thought she said we couldn't trust APEX women
Again, the entire proof was a 5ch post.

>>43342452
All the sperm that somehow lost to you in the race.

>>43349164
It's obvious she never did any of the horrible things people accuse her of doing. She is too pure.

>>43347928
Tell me, what lies to you to tell yourself to cope with the fact she is the used goods of an abusive ex boyfriend who is now a convicted pedophile?

>>43349392
No idea why you're trying to falseflag as an all affirming fan. If you have nothing intelligent to say, stop posting

>>43342737
>no corpo wants to touch EU streamers
>Apricot and Veibae, both British, are already on board
kill yourself

>>43349470
both awful people as well

>>43344856
we're here everyday

>>43349441
I should have said impulsive or genuine instead. She is the opposite of calculating.

>>43343982
she unironically should've stayed as an indie, one of the worst decisions ever

>>43349515
or PON

>>43348798
>vshojo japan is japanese company
Ok, I'll follow along
It's still owned and managed by the foreign main branch, as shown by the fact that they refuse to have anything but ex-holo tier vtubers. This has done nothing to change anything in the vtubing scene, only Nazuna partly benefits by this since kson simply joined with her model.
And besides that cyberlive sounds like her dream company and you can see what kind of shitshow it became because they let the talents keep the models

>>43349515
People go overboard when they accuse her of doing things
Video proof that explains why the "she sent private DMs to high paying fans" rrat isn't true.

>>43349470
Br*t's aren't EU you dumb nigger
>b-b-but
No.

I forgave her when it became clear she wasn't actualy dating mafu2. Couldn't care less about leaking private Cover corp shit to prove it.

>>43349813
Europe is a continent.

>>43349138
>and you're fucking stupid if you don't understand that i meant the vshojo business model where you pay for your own shit, not giving away free stuff like cyberlive did
So what's the point of the company?

>>43349523
I don't think you understand, living in Japan is her primary goal. If being a 2view in a no name corpo is the price for that, so be it.

>>43349745
there's literally two members, nazuna just joined because she's kson's friend... from working at hololive together
trying to make out some pattern out of this is just dishonest
cyberlive is not her dream company because its a fucking stupid idea to give away free stuff to random e-girls who have done nothing to deserve it
if you have to pretend that she's some sort of childish moron in order for your arguments to make sense then they're not very good arguments
>>43349978
negotiating for you with the people you pay
hooking you up with connections to people who you can pay to do stuff for you
setting up bulk deals with other members like the nazuna+kson nendos or the full roster PCs

We've been looking for new JP talents. Come home. You will even be allowed to stream on Youtube.

>>43342452
As much as I like like every talent under prism project they just don't do enough for marketing so all their talents are D list while being genuinely entertaining and free from yabs fucking dumb

>>43349863
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Europe
Retard

>>43350191
Continental Europe is not the same as "Europe, the continent"
Otherwise, are you going to claim that Ireland and Iceland aren't European?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

>>43342452
Kson was never that great and most of her appeal was in the contrast between her vulgarity and the girls around her. The other one (I can't remember her vshojo name) is a bad person.

>>43343107
AILF

>>43342737
You can't poach an indie you fucking retard

>>43348056
Don't expect the retards still shitting their pants about Rushia here a year later to actually know anything. They're genuinely dumber than twitter and reddit fags on this issue.

>>43350334
Nazuna is the most unfairly slandered person on the internet.

>>43342452
Forcing Rushia to be on Twitch is the biggest sin VShojo committed

>>43350520
Lets her stream on YT as Mike but not Nazuna? That sound likely to you?

>>43350136
>trying to make out some pattern out of this is just dishonest
It wouldn't be an argument if they showed plans or even just interest of hiring literally anyone at all, 2 members in this much time is ridiculous and specially when one doesn't know a lick of english.
And whatever kson wants doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Cyberlive might be stupid but that's the closest it gets to vtubers owning the characters they built up, Vshojo is more like a clique of people with already built characters + fanbases that grouped to sell a brand, I don't see anything to romanticize about

>>43350651
It served its purpose at the time in diverting her antis.

>>43342452
Every Holo

>>43350651
I mean it's pretty clear to see that Nazuna, a JP Vtuber who is there to attract a Japanese audience, is stuck on a platform mainly dominated by Americans. Besides a couple apex and valorant fags, no Japanese streamer is pulling constant 10k+ or even 5k on the regular there.

>>43349836
>when it became clear she wasn't actualy dating mafu2
>this is what midnbroken fadead actually believe
The best possible interpretation or what happened still makes her trying VERY HARD to get into his pants

>>43350651
We know that "something" is stopping her from streaming on Twitch. Anything beyond that is speculation.
Mikeneko gets different treatment because she's unaffiliated and she has never made any official recognition of being Nazuna

>>43351019
Again, you're going off of Kore's testimony because he provided almost no receipts
This is the guy who got an underaged girl to impersonate Rushia and start saying a bunch of sexual jokes. I wouldn't really trust his moral character.

>>43349766
This is not a proof. This is a rrat.

>>43351267
Alright, you're retarded
Explain this in actual English. How can Rushia be the only Twitter user in the history of the site's website to be able to delete her DM from the receiver's side?
The guy claimed he didn't have her DM anymore because she deleted it. No other Twitter user has this power, apparently, besides Rushia? That's why he "could only show old screenshots"

>>43350682
first off, why would they be public with their plans?
secondly, what she wants makes perfect sense because it literally exists
in vshojo
where she is right now

>>43345000
The process for new members appears to be pretty slow, in part because they have no internal schedule demanding the debut at a specific time

Look at Haruka. From what we can gather, the final round of EN auditions happened somewhere around April last year (judging based on some high-profile, VShojo-adjacent vtubers revealing they were turned down at this time).
From that point or somewhere around there, Haruka was signed on and began preparing for her debut, which was in December.

People who mainly watch other companies, and especially Japanese companies, still don't get how VShojo operates and what "talent-first" or "talent freedom" mean.
It means that a talent's movements are led by the talent. In other words, Haruka's debut didn't happen until she was sufficiently ready to do it. VShojo gave her the space to prepare as much as she needed to make her debut everything she wanted it to be.

"OK, so why haven't there been any other members in all this time?"
Well... I dunno. But there was a Japanese audition form, and that was before VSJP was even properly set up.
It's believed that due to VShojo's generationless organization, new members are debuted apart from one another so that they can be focused on as individuals.

Shortly after Nazuna's debut, Mouse had said that the family would grow "soon," and then she said the same thing after Haruka. So we know there are new members in the wings, it's just a matter of waiting for them to debut.

>>43349745
>cyberlive sounds like her dream company and you can see what kind of shitshow it became because they let the talents keep the models
Cyberlive had a lot of problems and allowing members to keep their identities was not one of them

>>43342452
>talent

>>43351437
>first off, why would they be public with their plans?
Kson said there would not be any more members for a while
>because it literally exists in vshojo
So her dream is big people with pre existing big fanbases joining a big brand? So new vtubers can go get fucked I guess. I don't know, normal companies seems like a better dream considering 2 views can get 4 digits+.

>>43351478
>he still believes Haruka went through the audition

>>43351857
I mean that's what she said, unless you want to tell me that she's lying about having previously lied about not auditioning to hide the fact that she auditioned so her fans wouldn't get their hopes up

Vshojo can't really debut new vtubers without existing fanbases because i don't think there are many vshojo fans and most of the people just like individual streamers who happen to be in vshojo.
I kind of want to see what would happen if new person debuted in vshojoJP, how fast they would die.

>>43342504
I'm not remotely close to one of whatever her fans name themselves but it's not entirely on her.
The killing blow was only set up because Cover doubled down and released a statement about how their talents are allowed to be in relationships barring Cover staff which prompted her to seek verification from a third party.
It was just a shit show all around.
But yes, this should be a lesson in compartmentalizing everything you don't want to be on screen.

>>43351995
I am one of her fans and it's important to note that she sought to clear her name before Cover released their statement.
That being said, you're correct in the sense that Cover's statement didn't actually defend her at all from the accusations. All they did was tell people not to harass her.

>>43351782
there's no reason smaller vtubers can't group up in a similar arrangement
again you have to totally misrepresent her in order to make any sense

>>43351995
The fuck are you talking about? Cover said the private lives are upto the talent themselves and they won't get involved.
Next thing she's suicide baiting and sends Korekore a load of information for no reason.

I can 100% gurantee that if Rushia did not move a single muscle she'd still have her gachikois (not as many which is expected) and still be involved in Holo.

>>43351992
Which defeats the point really.
Most people who watch vshojo ..also watch people close to vshojo.
Buff wants to join vshojo? She shares her fanbase with mouse and zen

Buff stands to gain people, vshojo as a whole? Not that many more.

>>43352172
Yes, anon. It turns out that she actually cared a lot about making sure her gachikoi don't turn on her, to the point of taking actions into her own hands.
Cover's statement, saying they wouldn't get involved in their talent's private lives, did nothing to help her. Why would that help her? Why would saying
>we don't care if our GFE streamer is, or isn't, being fucked
be some sort of defence? Unless you actually believe she was dating him?
And finally, we know the only thing she sent to Korekore was communication from her manager saying that he/she was on holidays, because she wanted to explain why she had to go to a third party to sort out the issue.

>>43342636
The entire world around you is smoke and mirrors.

>>43352295
Alright you're a deluded fandead, no point carrying on.

>>43352183
is ccv the only thing you numbersharts you can think of?
vshojo can sell merch of her and have her do promotional streams for *shitgacha of the month*, you know, the thing they exist to do

>>43352172
agreed. if she was radio silent and ignores twitter entirely, as what happened to la+ rn, she probably still here. although her antis would massive and her viewers will declined, like towa and matsuri. but still she can change her way of stream, cancel ring pre-order, changer her targets, pull out entirely from gfe things. even with 3k viewers she will manage just fine because sankisei are bloated already (look at uninteresting individual like flare). all she had to do was keep silent and go away from twitter but nah, let's involve other 3rd party youtuber

>>43352329
Kek, you claimed a whole load of bullshit and when you got called out, that's your response?
This is why nobody takes catalogfags seriously. Christ almighty, if you're going to pull that attitude, why don't you point out exactly where I'm wrong then?

>>43352183
You're really overestimating how much overlap there is between VSJ and their friends
Ones like Haruka and Snuffy? Sure, probably a pretty damn big overlap

But Buff has only recently gotten particularly close to Mouse, and she's far more closely associated with her "family" of Shia, Rose and Candii.
Not to mention her following is a tenth of Mouse's, who is so big and so well-known at this point that there's a likelihood ANY Western vtuber might have some overlap with her fanbase.

At any rate, I don't think you really understand "the point" of someone joining VShojo

>>43352395
She wasn't dating the alien, so why would she abandon the relationship with her fans? That's exactly what she was trying to avoid by proving herself innocent
Also, you're so ESL that it hurts.

>>43352295
>taking actions into her own hands
By going to dramatuber, who somehow was supposed to help her?
She was retarded and was punished for it, maybe Cover actually wanted to remove this ticking time bomb, but who will actually know now.

>>43352453
your burger fancuck should kys, Qué Cabrón.

>talent

>>43342539
Kson is really strong in collabs with people she has an ongoing friendship with.
She's not really getting any of that now, many other vtubers avoid her and one off collabs don't let her shine.
Plus she has alienated a significant portion of her pre-existing fanbase by being political and acting like a proper vshojo member.
And also of course half her content is on Twitch and fuck that, I'd rather she went back to Mildom.

>>43352103
>there's no reason smaller vtubers can't group up in a similar arrangement
The reason is that this already happens and they're just called vtuber groups, there's no companies like that because that's a waste of money and it only works for vshojo because they only hired already big hitters.
But regardless that's not what kson wanted, it should be obvious that she was sad to let Coco go and she wished companies could let talents keep the character they built themselves. Coco isn't built as an indie, she's built in a company, the character kson built is not comparable to the one of Coco in hololive and that's what she wishes to be changed.
In vshojo it doesn't make a difference, Vshojo doesn't build anything so at that point why does the company matter?

>>43352421
Oh I know the point is vshojo getting merch rights where most of the money comes from, probably a cut of the revenue as well.
In return security and advertising i.e. growth for the person.
Buff doesn't really need that though.
She can just hit the stream button and talk shit for hours about her life, zaza or just tiktoks she's liked.
She barely plays games or draws these days.
Her 3d model is basically done so she's probably going to be a vr chat streamer for a while

>>43352495
He at least helped her clear the cohabitation rrat. Also, to be clear, he was going to cover this incident regardless, and Cover wasn't going to stop him. If she hadn't done anything, he would have done a stream and spread further rrats about her
I'm not saying she didn't make any mistakes, but it shouldn't be difficult to follow the thread of logic of her actions if you empathize with her position just a little.

>>43352575
being political? spoon me anon. did she play Hogwarts or fall to tranny shit

>>43352705
he's a sea muslim who thinks eating pizza out of rainbow colored boxes is political

>>43352705
She brought up homosexuality regularly before I gave up on her, and also did that gay pizza stream.
Also I'm just not a fan of all the meat streams and every time I see her in a clip she's just pushing for low brow way more than she used to.

>>43352831
>She brought up homosexuality regularly
Anon... Kson is kind of gay

>>43352936
Always has been, but there's a huge difference between being a Japanese lesbian and being a western homosexual.
And she's a western homosexual now.

>>43352545
I always see fandead claim antis are just a bunch of esl faggots in these threads and I now believe them.

>>43342452
VSJ fucked up hard by not hiring more than 2 streamers. What were they thinking?

>>43353003
>you can be gay as long as you don't talk about it

>>43352576
same person inside
saying the same things
playing the same games
l2d by the same artist
3d model by the same modeller
but it's "not comparable"?
ogey
>>43353003
wtf are you even talking about
she's neither of those things

>>43353096
Yes, correct.

>>43353096
rightoids unironically believe this, anon

>>43342452
michael menherad first week joining vshoujo
she menherad last week
SHE IS

>>43353325
>>43353069
Did you really doubt us?

>>43353325
>SHE IS
The love of my life.

>>43353325
>SHE IS
My actual unironic wife

>>43353069
just look at the replies of bannedvtmemes
it's all latams and flips

>>43353130
>same person inside
>saying the same things
>playing the same games
>l2d by the same artist
>3d model by the same modeller
>but it's "not comparable"?
No, because she does not live in a vacuum (Well, she does now I guess)
Your enviroment also makes part of what you are, Coco is not Coco outside of hololive. Rushia is trying to Rushia outside and she's struggling. It's disingenuous to pretend that your surroundings like a vtuber company is irrelevant, especially someone like her who did her most to be with everyone in the company

It's funny how Mousey is part that "corp" but still ended up hiring an outside agent.

>>43353916
so she wasn't coco during her karaoke streams or horror game streams because those had nothing to do with the other members?
it's just brand worshipper cope

>>43354237
She's not singing in a big stage with her gen mates no mo'. Nobody cares about the woman, people only love the brand.

>>43354237
That's just false equivalence. Kson already existed when Coco existed and no one in their right mind would have said they were the exact same.
>it's just brand worshipper cope
Ah, so you reveal your true colors.

>>43354435
what fucking colors?
i like the streamer, not the company that managers her

>>43354518
An retarded anti considering she herself non stop praises cover and the girls, and if you seriously think your enviroment doesn't change anything about you then there's nothing to argue

>>43354518

It's still bizarre to me that corporation gachikois exist, but I guess it's like that everywhere. People who get obsessed with Apple, or Nintendo, or whatever. Still pathetic, though.

>>43354518
I share your world view and wish things worked that way but it is what it is. The girl's numbers after leaving hololive and nijisanji prove that nobody cares about the talent. Everyone loves the brand and only the brand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHl2-rH6GnU
Refute this.

>>43354710
I'm assuming you're a Ksongumi?
I've seen people who still, to this day, claim to be Rushia fans while simultaneously being Mikeneko antis. Think about the level of mental gymnastics that requires

>>43354811
My beautiful wife's beautiful song

>>43354664
i'm not anti any of the holo girls
and she's in the same enviroment she was before, sitting in her house in front of her computer playing video games
biggest difference is cover stole her roommate and she has different people making plushies for her now

>>43354879
>and she's in the same enviroment she was before
Either actual delusion or autism.

>>43354931
she has a manager with a triple digit IQ now if that counts as a change

>>43354879
>and she's in the same enviroment she was before, sitting in her house in front of her computer playing video games
>physical enviroment mattering to a png streamer

>>43354931

nta, but difference between actual Kson fans and Cover Gachikois is that her real fans watched her solo streams, you know, the majority of her content instead of just tuning in for one hour every week for meme review. If you were a real fan before, then the only thing that's changed for you is that she's 10x happier than she used to be. Not being a real fan, you couldn't tell she was miserable, of course. But hey, meme review amiright?

>>43355040
Same content yet her numbers flunked. You can't have recurring collab partners or big events as an indie either so less opportunity for publicity.

>>43355194
>Same content yet her numbers flunked
again the desperate cry of the numbersmonkey. You don't even know what her solo stream numbers used to be, because you didn't fucking watch her.

>>43342452
What talent?

>>43355194
she has both of those things but people don't care because it's not hololive collab partners and hololive big events

>>43355191
>then the only thing that's changed for you is that she's 10x happier than she used to be.
Seemed the exact same to me famalam, if anything the biggest change in mood was when she stopped doing asacoco for good. Your only point of reference was her getting depressed at China's bullshit.

>>43355276
That's correct, it's a damn shame. Life is unfair and that is what it is. Same thing happened to Kaguya Luna and Suzuhara Lulu too.

>>43355356
you obviously didn't watch her in february-april 2021
she was just mumbling softly all the time when she wasn't fake laughing at reddit maymays

>>43355191
>Cover Gachikois
nta but more like gachikois for other girls and doesn't really care about Coco, that's the reality for most people, they only watch Coco for the interaction with other girl so most of them stop watching her doesn't mean they are corpo gachikoi

>>43355622
She sounded lively as fuck most of the time unless some bullshit happened on chat, 100% sure you're conflating very specific moments as the entire mood on her streams

>>43355810
She sounded much happier on mildom playing kusoge to 300 viewers

>>43348336
I hate you, because you speak the truth

>>43352295
pretty much this. cover's response was the last thing she wanted, what she needed was a response cracking down on people spreading rumors.
most of the damage was done by those anti-GFE fags showing their "undying support" for her(never watched a single stream and forgot about her 5 minutes after she graduated) going to every social media site to tell her gachikoi to fuck off, she can have a boyfriend and doesn't owe her fans anything

>>43342452
Neither of them needed vshitshow. Hell, it HARMED them rather than HELPED them.

kson was dumb enough to think people would absolutely enjoy her being around the vshojo whores. Instead the exact opposite happened.

>>43359929
Someone pointed out that Kson has actually collabed with the VShojo girls less since she joined as opposed to before.
Nazuna's situation is more complicated and a lot more nuanced.

>>43359929
This is a very Jakarta-centric opinion.

>>43360334
>Everyone I disagree with is some colonial shitskin

>>43360872
It's not the fact that I disagree with you, it's the fact that you're posting using ESL SEA lingo while engaging in underage console wars tribalism.

By any objective standard, Vshojo has helped her out significantly. Compare her pre-Vshojo 3D debut stream to the live that they assisted with.

>>43353130
She's probably bisexual

>>43342452
>talent

Vshoujo didn't find any person who's useless enough to contract as a Vtuber

>>43342452
kson has talent?

>>43359983
Pretty sure they were expecting for Kson to be able to grab more JP talents or satellite vtubers to raise the brand in Japan. It did not happen so they just didn't care anymore.
Same thing happened with Hololive and Mori once they saw whatever they wanted wasn't working.

Dunno what changed, but I've just stopped watching Kson for some reason.

>>43367570
If your narrative involves putting Kson in the role of a manager, recruiter, or something else along those lines, it's incorrect.

>>43368015
It's the fact that Kson was already helping and bringing vtubers together. They tried to get her to do that but also with a vshojo banner attached to her back.
Or are you telling to me Mike chose on her own to join Vshojo and it had nothing to do with kson?

>>43368141
Of course Kson was the reason Mike join Vshoujo, but because she was a friend from hololive, is not like Kson just grab any random jp vtuber from the dark web to join

Kson should introduce more real western vtubers/streamers to Nips.
Most of them will never be fixed customers because they don't understand human language, but they will prove how boring Japanese streamers are.
It is morally wrong to include the Japanese in the streamer rankings.