/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

NijiEN is literally collapsing in front of us

All of the above.

>Downfall

>>43156813
Kiara. She ruined all the early collabs and the girls didn't gel as a group because of it. Over time they drifted apart and don't care as much about their job or each other.

Surely if you keep imagining the downfall it will eventually become real. Keep it up anon!

Doesn't feel like a downfall. Honestly it's felt quite nice lately if I'm being honest. Maybe it's just because Ina and Gura are back finally, but it's the most comfortable it's felt in a long while imo.

>>43156813
All of the above but mostly Mori and Omega.

>>43156813
All of the above. But mostly Mori.

Kiara's voice debuff
Ina boring
Ina's friend + Council cruising
Failure to recruit Pomu & Selen

>>43158371
>Not shooting Selen in the head and tossing Pomu into the SEA where she belongs.
ngmi

>>43156813
Lack of synergy. Seriously, these genmates just don't click together that well.

Gura would rather hangout with her SNOT clique.
Mori has better chemistry with Irys and Bae.
Ina is off in her own world.
Kiara had a bond with Mori for a while, but that died.
Ame and Gura also had a bond, but that's dead too.

downwhat?

>>43156813
>muh downfall

>>43156813
You say downfall as if they aren't still far and away the #1 EN vtuber group.

>>43156813
Unironically jews

What's with all the myth anti threads?

>>43156882
>>43157598
>>43157675
Nijinigs spotted

>>43156813
The biggest HoloEN yab is not even close to the top 100 yabs of NijiEN. They're fine

>>43159126
>Kiara had a bond with Mori for a while, but that died.
how
>Ame and Gura also had a bond, but that's dead too.
how

>>43156813
At first it was Mori and then lack of chemistry followed by apprehensiveness and lack of motivation.

>>43156813
All of the above

>>43160574
Probably because they gave up playing their ships, Takamori and Amesame died.

Doesn't mean they hate each other like /vt/ tries to say.
How do they expect coworkers to yuribait and play a ship for more than an year without getting sick of it?

>>43159525
There was a time when they were the #1 vtuber group, no "EN" qualifier needed

>>43156813
>>43157598
who the fuck is omega and what did she do?

Probably Connor

>>43161478
En manager who /vt/ blames for everything also do your reps

>>43161478
>she

>>43156813
>>43156882
>>43157598
>>43157675
>>43160759
>>43160909
Go to sleep! (you)'ve been sameposting about the same thing since yesterday.

>>43161478
>She

>>43156813
You not taking your meds

>>43156813
Mori, Ame, Omega and Tempiss.
They could still be lazy if they wanted to, 1 stream a week and some collabs, the fans loyalty would still be high but dragging the homos on our faces created a rift in the community that will never recover.

>>43156813
All of the above. That goes double for Mori since she doubled in size.

>>43161143
i understand wanting yo watch the funny banter between you favorite vtubers but it just gets difficult to mantain after awhile, i have a great relationship with my coworkers and even i get sick of them after we spend too much time together i cant even begin to comprehend what putting up an act for thousand of people at the same time would do to most people

>>43161478
>she
Go back r*dditroon

>>43161478
As an outsider I bhave no idea either, I think it was like a manager tho had a twitter profile and got 4chan mad??? i have no idea rly

>>43162590
>both are long-time FFXIVtra
Jeremy???

I bereeb 2023 will be a better year for HoloEN than 2022
Not that that's a high bar to clear

>>43156813
Me. I am single-handedly responsible for everything.

>>43160290
Antis seething because their:
>Myth will not get 3D showcase
>Myth doesn't deserve 3D showcase
Schizoposts died yesterday

>>43162481
That rift exists only in your head, anon.

People just get bored of the same ol thing and moved on. Happens to majority of content creators sooner or later.

>>43162569
People seriously underestimate streamers.

>>43156813
Here's your giftcard retard sis.

>>43156813
Any day now, nijisisters...

>>43164734
What!? But I thought people like the same ol thing? Isn't that why fans always demand sequels and remakes?!

>>43156882
spbp

Council as a whole wasn't rock-solid either (sana quitting, kronii dropping the ball etc). Irys was kind of the last unambiguously-good decision the branch did IMO and even then she was nerfed for her model for so long I think it kinda permanently stunted her, a lot like Flare.

>>43156813
I think those few months last year where only a handful of people streamed x 2 gens of Tempus filtered a lot of people elsewhere. Gura is the most popular EN member and she stopped giving a shit.

Even JP is wondering.

>>43156813
>HoloEN downfall

>>43159340
>pedobait is popular
What a fucking surprise, Gura ALWAYS would have an advantage over the rest of her gen and even EN as a whole thanks to fucking degenerates and weirdos, why you think out of her gen Laplus was the most succesful?
Why you think the green bitch was a le to recover so quickly after her drama and reset on Vshojo like if nothing happen?

>>43161478
>She

>>43156891
its gonna happen soon
every en will graduate and hololive will regret ever thinking there was a market overseas and stop tainting the pure japanese content with gaijen garbage
youll see soon

>>43156969
>Still using Kiara as a scapegoat for the other girls not talking much, when they just had a collab where Ina, Gura and Ame did not talk much and did not want to come closer to the mics
RUMAO

>>43172710
Any day now

>>43156813
> Branch is overhyped and millions pile into the bandwagon
> Market balances back out
oh shit i didnt like this when it started and this means that i am 100% right about it failing and am also 100% right about everything

>>43156813
can they even beat shillox

>>43156969
Holy copium.

>>43161478
too young, to be in decision-making management position, gook

>>43156813
It's called talent freedom, kid.

>>43161143
you're pretty behind the times lol

>>43161143
>baerys
>okakoro
>pavonashi
>kromei
>micomet
I wouldn't count noefure, but I would make an exception because from what holos say about interacting with them, they're still a couple, just that they keep it offline. Not everything is takamori or festivaluna or crossick

All of the above.

People like Mori and Kronii don't give a fuck about Hololive and use it to actively funnel people to their RM accounts. Kronii is talking to her regulars on her RM and they aren't even bothering to use different accounts.

Management being gay means events live or die on the initiative from the girls which means a lot of it falls on LA CREATIVEADAD, which can work for a while, see Halloween, 1 year, Christmas, etc, but ultimately you need corporate resources to take that next step, which is why the 3D showcase after all this time just feels late and underwhelming.

Lack of chemistry means if the introverts are feeling down or out of it, it's up to Mori or Kiara to drive big collabs, which is hard because collabs are a team sport and people will get sick of Kiara and Mori is just a retard in the first place. See most recent collab, the announcement.

The Tempus bullshit was just stupid, alienating a core part of your fans, and even normalfags are wondering why you have 2 Homofag gens while most weeks we struggle to have streams everyday despite there being 10 EN members.

Pic related was the last time I felt any enthusiasm for EN.

>>43156813
Turns out watching vtubers on the long run is pretty boring. Plus Gura's laziness.

>>43161250
In the beginning they obliterated JP, which they should have given that the audience is 10x bigger, now even Flare will get more viewers than EN, and I've seen them fall below some IDs at points.

>>43176370
It's only been this place that's been mad about the Myth 3d reveal mostly cause they can't shitpost about it anymore. Also I'm pretty sure even if there collabs weren't scuffed niggers on here will still be complaining

>>43177130
Because this place watches streams, Reddit and Twitter only watch clips if that. They unironically watch dramaniggers and call them vtuber news journalists.

>>43177163
>vt watches streams

lol lmao even

>>43176370
Mori works harder for Hololive than 90% of the company what are you on, post your oshi's albums (plural)

>>43178223
/vt/ doesn't care about any content other than streaming

>>43156813
>Gura and Ina back from their breaks
>Kiara and Mori reconnecting after months
>All of Myth in Japan about to have 3D showcases, practicing for holofes
>All of Council streaming, got three 3D models announced too
>Both Gens got idol outfits
I don't see the downfall.
Also, HoloEN isn't just Myth, retard.

Not really a downfall per se but I think there is a noticeable drop in quality. I think in large part it's because there's way too much freedom given to the talents to do roommate stuff in hololive. 3/5s of Myth constantly shill their roommates and it just strikes me as almost kinda rude.
Myth also don't even collab anymore unless management forced them to. Not to mention the fact that people like gura take frequent breaks without even telling her chat is a bit awful imo. The gura today doesn't even feel like the gura who came in with an "A" and sang Ride on Time.
Outside of myth though, council feels like chickens running around with their heads cut off half the time and the gen is heavily carried by fauna and mumei since Kronii honestly couldn't care less about hololive and bae just kinda seems to be there.

Not to mention the lack of resources that actually get pumped into council, they honestly should have had their 3d debut by now but instead we're revealing the same shit we've already seen for like a year now but "this time it's official!"
Who gives a fuck. I dunno that's just my two cents, take it as you will

>>43156813
All the restrictions on what they can stream.

>>43179635
Bae and Kronii actively collab with there jp senpais what the hell are you talking about

>>43179898
Kronii doesn't even stream 20 times a month, there were a good amount of months in the past year where she didn't even reach double digits streaming as few as 6 times in a single month and 9 times during others. Kronii has 0 work ethic if it's up to her to do anything and bae is just kinda there to follow whatever her senpais or anyone else tells her to do. Theres never really a sense of independence from her.

>>43156813
Real bad management. But the real reason is the fact that they all spread across the world and unable to see each other IRL too often. Because of this Cover won't able to create the universal EN HQ for them. Lack of guidance and the initial hype is what letting them being lazy.

>>43179120
>All of Council streaming
Citation needed

>>43156813
It started with Mori but now the shoe is on the other foot. Gura and Ina dont stream and Ame really isnt much better. Tough as it is to admit Mori has gotten slightly better. At least she fucking streams.

Distance makes it impossible to form real bonds for most people. There are the few who cope and cling to their internet circles because they have nothing else, but most people need face to face interactions. With Myth being spread across the world and the few that are withing 3-4 hour flight distance refusing to interact with each other, the 'bond' that other JP gens have will never manifest.
Gura's constant fear of being found will never let her truly break down the wall she's built up. People say it's rational, but the JP talents both have more attention on them via their general populous, and they have a much closer proximity to the talents, meaning it would take a lot more effort for some anti to do something retarded to Gura than it would for the average JP anti.
Mori is an interesting case. Generally doesn't do very much with the JP side of things while also living in Japan. Therr was that meme that she couldn't speak Japanese to save her life, which is bullshit. I think she just generally wants to do her own thing and with her side gig eating up a lot of time over the past 2 years, her only real grounded attachment to Holo was Kiara at the start and Irys now. I think if she were in Texas instead of Japan, we would have seen her flying around to meet everyone except Kiara if they were willing to have her.
If Kiara were still living in Japan, she'd probably be closer to what Reine is for her branch, mostly EN, partly JP. She'd be interacting with other JP gens and getting along well with lots of banter because she modeled her streaming style after them. It's the same reason she went so hard with the TakaMori, she saw various JP senpai do it and copied them.
Ame is Gura, but to a lesser extreme. Relativelt reclusive, she likes to keep to herself and focus on her mino-projects. Sometimes it manifests into something larger like the smoll and low-poly streams with the rest of Myth, but I think she's gotten tired of taking the helm for bigger event collabs and has fully backed off from that roll. It's why we see less unity collabing in general for Myth.
Ina is a weird one. She's obviously here for the fun of streaming and chatting with others, but because it's a side thing she more often than not waits for others to initiate and then accepts offers instead of putting herself out there. This leads to a lot of solo content because Gura and Ame both are content just sitting solo in their streams and Kiara took a more backseat/passive approch lately because she feels like she's 'bothering' the others. On top of that, her other work makes it much harder to just drop everything and travel like Fauna, Mori, or sometimes Mumei can pull off.
All in all, it's not bad to have members of the branch who want to do their own thing, but when it's a quarter of the entire branch, you can really feel it. I think that's why people are clamering for EN3, it's because they should be able to do that and not hamper others who want to create that fun group atmosphere. There are JP who stay to themselves, JP who collab every week, and everything in between because there are a lot more members on the JP side, so the lack of interaction by some is felt much less than it is on the EN side.

>>43185352
EN3 just makes sense to revitalize interactions between members. Some people have this strange idea that more girls = less attention given to your oshi leading to her decline. Which is completely a shit take unless your oshi was an oshit in the first place.

Even the most bonded JP gen to have ever existed, 3rd gen, would be completely lacking if they could and would only interact within each other. Flare for example would never have broken out of the image as Noel's gf if it wasn't for her interactions with Polka to later form Shiranui Kensetsu and form this whole genuine interaction.

It's simple math, more girls = more chances for certain girls to find people they actually gel with, not fake being best friends just because their company decided to debut them at the same time.

>>43186468
It's so fucking dumb. Not to mention that with an EN3, people might come back to check them out and either get hooked for the first time or rehooked if they left. I will never ask for a Niji release schedule and I'd also never drop my Oshi, but I really wish they'd be a little quicker about it.

>>43156813
Not striking when the iron was hot and getting EN3 months and months ago was a big part of it. Releasing TWO gens of males that a minority of the fanbase wanted at a time people were desperate for more coverage/collab options was another huge mistake.

I have to say though, I have always suspected that perms autism and the stifling need to get everything approved through management is what is really to blame for sucking the fun out of the job and causing burnout. From what the girls have said about management they can be torturously slow at getting back to them, Ame mentioned multiple months going by before hearing back about something she wanted to do - can you imagine as a creative person getting an idea for a stream/project then having to put it to one side whilst it gets a full fucking risk assessment by JP upper management? It is enough to make you not even want to try to do anything but play the next kusoge you have the perms for.

There is not guarantee that even after something is approved they won't jump in at the last moment to cut it up/change their mind as Guras Birthday illustrates, she had something completely different planned for that but management forbid it at the last second and they had to rush Kanauru to put together that live last minute. They also cut her actual 3d live down by almost half according to her own words.

Nobody wants them to be react streamers or anything but the fact they can't even show a dumb meme here or there because of copyright autism is something I guess JP talents have learned to live with but must feel incredibly stifling for a western content creator.
All of this might have been remedied if they could really throw themselves into the things they CAN do under cover, 3D projects in the studios, idol activities, cool shit the JP get up to like legend of polka but unfortunately the infrastructure and staff just isn't there on the EN side, and the talents are scattered across multiple continents. They have had all of the restrictions of being in hololive but up until this point when they FINALLY got to Japan almost none of the support or exciting positives, I just hope it isn't too little too late to motivate them all again.

Vesper fucked my oshi

>>43156881
FPBP

>>43156813
Omega aka Loserbait aka AO-Chan aka Altare

>>43186468
HoloEN is fine as it is now, its just a lull before the HoloFes and then everything will go back to normal. If you and your anti ass want more girls for muh collabs, go watch NijiCN you fucking bug.

>>43179635
>The gura today doesn't even feel like the gura who came in with an "A" and sang Ride on Time.

I never thought I would see this on /vt/ but it really almost feels that way. Not even membered to her anymore, but whenever I try to watch her public streams these days, she just kinda sounds like a bot now or something.

>>43156813
the sense of entitlement, of course

>>43189574
It happens with everyone and everything. People change, but most importantly, you change.

In my case, Gura is the only one entertaining enough for me to keep watching in EN. Not having as much free time probably has something to do with it.

>>43179635
It always confuses me why people say that anyone other than Mori shills their roommates. Kiara streams once or twice a year and makes infrequent twitter posts and Ina is just associated with it because most people who spend more than 2 minutes looking for info can find it.

>>43189574
That's kinda how I feel. I personally stopped watching her around 2022 when she stopped streaming very often and when it just honestly felt like she was rolling through the motions. I love gura and always will but she feels so corporate these days, like she's just going through the motions and it makes me sad.

>>43156813
Omegay.
Mori just needed a tardwrangler to wrangle her and she would be a good streamer, she got Omega.
Tempiss wouldn't be an issue if Omega didn't force them.
Laziness wouldn't be an issue if the girls were motivated by Omega's shittyness.

>>43156881
>>43156813
Both of the EN big corpos have been doing awful these last few months

>>43190037
Okay and that's fair enough I shouldn't say Ina shills her roommate it's not even the shilling of the roommate thing that makes me feel like they don't care about hololive it's the constant time they take off for roommate activities. Kiara goes to conventions and brags about how she's the star of the show because everyone knows her roommate, Ina takes months off to work on projects her roommate was commissioned for and Mori you already know
it comes off to me as unprofessional and makes it feel like they really are just there to cash a check. But maybe I'm just a bitter and cynical old man anymore

>>43156813
>members constantly going on break
>two of their best girls refusing to stream for a long ass time
>irys having to use a scuffed ass model for a year and a half
>council having to wait a million years for new outfits
>gura being a bitch to ame
>one of the more talented mems peaced the fuck out and wants nothing to do with hololive anymore
>ame being a bitch to gura
>fucking mori of all people holding down the fort over the holidays

>>43190750
I honestly forgot about the fact that IRyS had her scuffed model for forever and they wouldn't give her even a fucking kimono because of it. Shit unironically pissed me off

>>43190500
>Brags about being the star of the show because everyone knows her roommate
Wut? Her cosplay shit is so sparce now that she soends more time on vacations with Hololive related talent than she does going to cons.

>>43191291
I've literally heard from people who have met her irl because she's very much open to fan meet and greets if you're a cosplayer. It may not be super often but it's often enough to where there are accounts of it and I dislike that.

>>43191613
She announced 1 con, was Kiara at another, but everything past those two has been psudo-stealth. Problem is she usually releases schedules for her weeks, so fags can deduce con dates and figure it out. What are you going to do if someone you know is a fan approches you at a con and asks for pictures? Say no and shut everyone out, possibly risking schizo behaviour to get what they want, or just say 'yeah sure, but don't be retarded'?

>>43191613
I mean, the girls can't really help having a life outside of Hololive, and it's not like a chuuba has to go into hiding just because someone finds out their secret identity.

>>43156813
100% managments fault
sabotaging Gura constantly on purpose killed Myth
also adding males

>>43192007
>>43192064
Eh fair enough.

>>43189189
>pretending I'm an anti, while you randomly shill niji
stfu nijinigger is a 9 month lull before holofes reasonable? cope harder that everything's going back to normal, not like they'll be even busier afterwards with holoconnect happening

>>43187536
Permissions are a pain in the ass, sure, but it's not like the talents are scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to making content that's allowed within their reach, even with the current management.
However, the last paragraph is entirely correct and has surely caused the market share loss of HoloEN. What the branch has lacked (and will lack, since now they can just invite them to Japan for anything) was a hefty reinvestment towards a new base of operations, studio included, outside of Japan.
Hololive's main draw is undoubtedly their 3D content. Everybody talks about the birthday live shows, the sololives, 3D programs and the like, it keeps interest in the company. When Myth debuted with flying colors, no one doubted that they will stand on the same stage as their senpais. However, Cover bet on the wrong horse with the coof restrictions and figured EN will just travel to Japan in 2021 once they are lifted to do their 3D programs. The lift of restrictions didn't come until a year and a half later. This delay, with CouncilRyS piling up additionally, caused a ton of problems with keeping up interest with the audience, and after Gura's and Kiara's not so successful attempts at making their own 3D projects, many people gave up on expecting hype content out of HoloEN.
If Cover decides otherwise and sets up a new base of operations (in NA, most likely) when they saw Myth's success, they could have been done by the time IRyS debuted at the latest and keep up interest. Furthermore, they could have put EN management as well there, avoiding the awkward meetings because of the JP timezones. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they didn't want to debut EN3 when the pioneers are still lacking their 3D debuts, so with having that under their belt, we could have them by now.

>>43156813
Destroyed a LOT of momentum by not releasing EN3.

>>43195952 (me)
One more thing:
Not only EN would have benefitted from a separate studio, but ID as well, as they also had to wait for their debuts until late last year. It would have also encouraged EN and ID to form even stronger bonds, raising interest for them as well in the process.

>>43195952
The problem is that Japanese companies don't want to invest any money into making a studio in America, realistically speaking if you opened up an American subsidiary and studio not only would you no longer require a passport/visa to do anything in Japan (which means that it's way easier to get people to the studio) but you could also throw en under the en subsidiary and suddenly you don't have to deal with Japanese autism preventing you from playing games on stream