/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Thank you rrat.
Tried with Mori a few times too but she desperately needs a good weapon early on to keep her safe between the slow-ass scythe swings and I couldn't find that luck in a number of attempts.

>>42918436
>>42917863
Alright I figured out what was happening, seems like the effect doesn't happen if you have damage numbers turned off which is really stupid

>>42919134
4th wah is an ok damage buff. The void is ok, but you don't really want to let enemies close to Ina. Also it slows her harmless takos. AO-chan is her best skill, but the harmless takos don't really work as a healing source, even doubling healing.
And none of these skills synergize with one another, which is the biggest problem she has.

>>42919385
>100% every 4th
Horns is ok for her if you couple it with AO-chan because the instakill does proc it, but it's still a separate healing item doing the legwork, her own healing source from the takodachi may as well not be there. If takos did % healing, or if they did a bit more flat healing, we'd be on to something.

I do agree that she's in a much better place than last patch, I just wish she had a more noticeable strentgth you could build around.

The Gold Digger

What weapons/collabs benefit from 4th wah the most?

>>42920320
>Damage and exp items
Anon?

>>42920596
Micomet and Flattening Board

Has anybody been able to get low Aqua time runs? I've tried a couple of times and can't press it under 6 minutes, so I was wondering if those sub 5 minutes rely on lucky enchants/anvil spawns

>>42920283
>And none of these skills synergize with one another, which is the biggest problem she has.
They do. Her attacks knockback, her void keeps enemies from reaching her further and AO-chan murders swarms of enemies with 1 hit KO's. All the knockback and slowdown give more time for AO-chan to work his magic.
A can't touch this build, without needing to worry about dodge boosts.
Don't forget she's Flat, meaning she also gets a big bonus from Cutting Board: More Knockback at first, and then flattening board for major 4th Wah Damage.

>>42921010
I tried two runs rushing broken dreams and was still over 10 mins

>>42921010
>>42921102
>Not getting a sub 4:45 Aqua time

Aki with the projectile up stamp might as well be her getting a minigun

Best build for farming coins?

>>42921215
I gotta turn up the opaqueness for Aki, her Mukis just flood the entire screen so I can't see a thing.

>>42921278
Irys + Greed stamp with superchat time.
That's it.
Why does everyone need to ask every thread?

>>42921344
Because nobody lives in this thread and the OP has outdated guides.
Also, newfag board and nobody knows how to do archive reps

This is dumb

>>42921010
>>42921102
By looking up videos I noticed that people get much faster kills/spawns than me. Are enemy spawns affected by PC specs?

Does Hope Soda not improve Bae's crits?

>>42921532
keep going, this is with stamp at 13 minutes

True chumbud getto! halu5 came late at 7-8 min, but kaela's item is OP as fuck.

>>42921551
From my experience the spawn rate is tied to the remaining fans, the lower it goes, the more spawns you get. I could be wrong though, but in my 6 min Aqua run it felt like the spawns where insane by the end.

>>42921604
>kaela's item is OP as fuck
it is? i've basically been ignoring it because it looked like something aimed for people doing endless runs instead of stage mode

>>42921653
I was still getting slower spawns than vids I saw. Same builds, but enemies weren't spawning at even half the rate. And idk what is the reason beyond my PC being potato
>>42921731
it makes each anvil an additional level up, obviously it's op

I feel like this build would work for lazy afking in other maps too since the breastplate reflects a lot of damage on anything that walks into you.

>>42921731
Without it I probably not gonna be able to max upgrade on all my collab weapons and added 4-5 enchanments for each weapons, which squished nodoka fast.

What do you do with Subaru anyways? It feels easy to just become unkillable, but I can't kill jack shit with her either and by the end I'm just holding back and running away as fast as I can.

>>42921731
its good because if you get lucky anvil drops you can have a collab by 5 minutes

>first time using Choco
>get halu 5 because why the fuck not
>breeze through endless
nice
Now onto maximizing marketing as well

>>42922417
Get the breastplate, stand still and let them kill themselves on you

>>42922417
She doesn't need that much to become immortal, so you could just grab plushie and nurse or bandage and likely be fine for facetanking stuff. then get shackles, towa hat and gorilla glove. Or if you dont want shackle/gorilla you could grab facemask and piki piki or idol costume to spam her ult more often. her actual baseballs kinda suck so just get good collabs like rap god, broken dreams, frozen sea and micomet.

>>42922646
My first time trying Choco was my first time playing the new hard mode stage and I cleared it, I feel like she won't get much attention because she isn't great for crazy farming or time attack but she's probably one of the easiest characters to clear "difficult" levels with for new players without maxed upgrades and shit

What characters can finish a stage without moving? 4 tries and i still cant do it

>>42922978
Sora was ezy

>>42922978
Most of them.
Try Amelia on stage 1. You can aim with her weapon now and Bubba hits enemies and grabs loot for you now. Her Special gets saved for melting bosses.

>>42922978
I did it with IRyS

>>42923040
fuck maybe i am retarded, i didnt think moving the mouse was allowed

>>42922978
Just do this >>42922313

Well I got Gachikoi status with Mumei, I'm happy

>>42922978
You literally posted one of the easy ones

Anyone have a list of the new Super Items? Just got this one for the first time.

>>42920283
>>42921039
Horns really was the missing piece of the puzzle for me, without it Ina's sustain is bad, with it it's as good as Korone's thanks to the instakills proccing it, only problem is it falls off during boss rush periods because giant enemies means less clusterd together for AO-chan to take them. But it's still good enough healing to facetank as late as minute 28 in Stage 1 Hard. I probably should have swapped gorilla arm for plushie though, the last minute her defenses crumbled and I got killed.

how do i just play with my main weapon? when i level up it doesnt' let me skip picking like regular items

>>42923859
There's a powerup for it in the shop.

>>42923859
You buy the thing in the shop to turn off the other weapon slots.
If you mean no items at all then you can't do that

Am I crazy or are all the defensive items just bad now? Like what do you even take to try to keep Perfection up on Kronii, all the healing sucks

>>42924019
Body Pillow would probably be enough.

Wow. Plushy is a MUST for any healing/sustain character. It saves me so much

I keep dying as Bae...

>>42924229
Just roll 6

>>42924157
Yeah it's insanely good now. I really like the rework.

what's your favorite of the new character portraits? for me it's Ina, she's just really cute somehow

Reminder that
>Halu
You didn't beat the game
>Headphones
You didn't beat the game
>Blacksmith's Gear
You didn't beat the game
>no Halu
You didn't beat the game
>super item
You didn't beat the game
>main weapon only
You didn't beat the game
>Mumei
You didn't beat the game
>IRyS
You didn't beat the game
>Sora
You didn't beat the game
>Roboco
You didn't beat the game
>Subaru
You didn't beat the game
>Aqua
You didn't beat the game
>shop upgrades
You didn't beat the game
>gacha ranks
You didn't beat the game

YOU
DIDN'T
BEAT
THE GAME

>>42924395
You forgot
>didn't turn on the 1 hit kill option
YOU
DIDN'T
BEAT
THE GAME

>>42924395
ok

>>42921604
I wonder if I should go with Kaela over glasses and hope my luck holds up. Glasses seem easy enough but I cant help but think that might have a similar effect while letting me toss around enchantments on everything

>>42924395
>>42924466
>Not using Anya's control scheme
YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME

>>42924546
What the fuck is wrong with her

>>42924395
But anon... disabling gacha ranks is a shop upgrade..........

>>42924546
the fuck?

>>42924546
>down: up
sides: gone

>>42924639
That was the only contradiction you saw?

>>42924395
>Halu
>No Halu
kek

>>42920738
I tried without damage items and got the same score but 2 minutes faster.

>>42924546
There's your next achievement for the ID update.

>>42924317
>This is a human

>>42924317
shion is pretty smug

>>42925072
Did you have the usaken stamp? I'm pretty sure those little explosions can also spawn coins.

>Easy run through S2h
>Forget to mitigate the -20% speed from chestplate
>Nodoka immediately facestomps me with her lasers
Alright, Noted.
I'm also noticing that the difficulty isn't just her attacks, it is that there aren't many other enemies spawning in during it so if your build favors hitting and killing hordes for healing like Horns + Plushy (and Ayame for her haste) then you'll suddenly run into trouble as that gets cut off. Halu will likely make that much easier.

>>42924546
this kris is built in its own way

Got the greed stamp around 2 mins in. It makes a massive difference since last few runs I got it around 15-18 minutes and only got 150k.

>>42925604
Yup. I might try the Fox stamp instead of Bat, and sub out Limiter for a healing item next time.

>>42925604
Not that guy but I agree that I think usaken explosions can also drop coins. At least it looks like they do

Finally, my first mistake was trying to do it with Sana

>>42925862
I usually build TNT collab, and Body Pillow when playing her.

>>42921215
Aki's hair funnels might be the coolest of all the new weapons.

>>42925862
And of course, the game is over-generous on the next run. That super chicken feather wasn't even needed, Halu + Shackles meant that I had functionally +10 levels and had over 10 anvils, was drowning in anvils. The extra spawns really helped with keeping my healing up too.
>>42926429
TNT actually sounds like a good idea, since then you can cut them up with your blades on it. I might try that next stage since I need 1 more stage to gachikoi her. Body pillow too, since then you can get "free" hits to get your force field going.

>>42919776
This new update feels really fun with the amount of extra customization. At first I just thought it was a nice vs clone but at this point it probably surpassed it. That game stagnated hard with its ideas while well, respect where it's due to Kay.

>https://twitter.com/CaliYaki/status/1624907466030092290
Yeah there's definitely something that affects the spawn pool that >we still have no idea about.

Is Irys the best unit in the game?

>>42927618
yeah what's a 4ch tier list for all the characters now? or at least where the new ones stand.

>>42927618
As she should beRyS

>>42927800
If you're just going to clear the stages (which I imagine is what most players will do and then stop) I honestly feel like all characters are pretty viable with this update, which is nice

>>42927928
yeah but what about endless halu5, I think that's what we used to base it on last patch? I enjoy shion rn, her attacks and teleport are great but idk how she'd fare in endless

finished Aki and Aqua's gachikois. that's enough for today, i think.

seriously tho. 100 minutes for all 29 girls is overkill.

>>42927999
No one said being a DD is easy.

>>42927990
She wouldn't, too squishy

>>42927990
I just died to Nodoka doing a one weapon halu5 shion run. She's certainly not the best, but her weapon with usaken is just too addicting to use.

>>42928810
Shiraken/Usaken/Akukin is absolutely amazing with her

>>42929281
Should definitely take some defensive items this try, I went full offensive and got swarmed by the end.

Isn't the sake with cooldown enchant just too broken? Or do endless mobs start ignoring perma freeze

>finally decide to give Aki a try
>she's absolutely cracked
mmmm belly...

>>42929429
You need defense for Shion because your portals are going to fuck you at least once or twice during the run.

Is this a bug or did I just unlock this item at starting level 3 from now on?

>>42929454
They don't, but the "scripted attack wave" parts ignore it, flying around the screen inside ice. Enemies that shoot at you still do so too, and Nodoka ignores it too.
It's still really good.

>>42929866
You unlock that one by doing more than 1000 damage in an attack.

>>42929893
Yeah this stage was too easy compared to last patch stage but I hadn't played in a while and it carried me hard. Got two wrong items and couldn't even make another collab lol

>deal over 10000 damage in one attack
literally how
I'm not even sure how I randomly get like 2 or 3 attacks that hit for over 1k sometimes out of nowhere

What is the minimum you think level 2H needs? I tried with my fresh redeemed Aki and got my ass kicked. That surprised me, because I breeze through the previous levels rushing Halu 5 and Marketing 5 with ease. But 2H has become a wall to me. I can't find a build that don't keep me behind the curve. I think my best attempt was 16 minutes or so.

>>42929956
but I had a devil hat that whole run? why does it say I unlocked the level 3 version?

>>42930032
Aki's belly dance.

Does Dragonfire proc 4th wah a lot or are there better choices aside from Ice Sake, Mikomet and Cutting board?

so who are the characters that are better to not enable 1 weapon mode when playing? I'm guessing Bae is one because she probably does better with more collabs doing 4x crit

>>42930124
>>42929866
Oh, I see what you mean. I dunno, but probably.

Which items am I missing?

>>42930204
I'm Die, Thank You Forever probably does it. You'd probably not want it as your first choice but with Flattening Board it'll be easy to kill the things holding it and then doing the screen wide blasts.

Any Mel fans wanna confirm whether or not her skillset kinda pays homage to her work? Aside from the ban thing we know she' was a ban magnet in 2020-2021

>>42930365
nvm I forgot google exists

>>42930374
Can't get it and Flat Board at the same time, sadly.

>>42930983
Oh damn, you're right. My bad.
Flattening board is the better choice then.
Does BoneBros get the flat bonus too since it uses the board?

oops

>>42930616
>mel's cooking
her 'cooking skill' is amazing
>acerola juice
she doesn't drink blood, she drink this juice
>genius vampire
she is.

>>42930616
>She's a vampire
>She drinks Acerola Cherry juice instead of Blood because blood is gross and she likes Acerola juice
>Her cooking is.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmIaCcbFJ_8
>She got banned a lot
Seems to hit all the well known or character check boxes that are not super impolite.

>>42931076
That's what you get for being cocky

>>42931076
The risks you took were calculated.

>>42931149
>>42931333
Thanks nice attention to detail then

What does EN curse actually do? Is it damage over time, debuffs, what?

>>42919776
what is hit rate? the tick rate of constant skills?

>>42931755
Projectile that (if it hits something) will bounce off and hit another enemy. Really good when going up against crowded mobs. It bounces off them and strikes them all like crazy.

>>42931762
Yes. So things like Spider Cooking use hit-rate instead of cooldown

>2hufag, should in theory be good at dodging projectiles
>Struggled vs Baelz in hard mode 1 for hours with mel
>Decide to just go full single-target damage build ignoring any kit-synergy to outpace the pseudo-enrage.
>Have to blow a chicken feather to win anyways
>Do hard mode 2
>Beat it first try with coin farming build

>>42920320
>>42925072
How do you deal with the Greed Stamp RNG drop? You just pray it drops early or there is a catch?

>>42931967
Although some like MiComet use both.
If you enchant both weapons before collab you can get some interesting effects. My favorite so far was Knockback on Broken dreams, every single droplet inflicted knockback.

>>42927561
Totally thinking out of my ass here but maybe staying center of the stage? In my 10 min+ runs I was kiting all over. I'll have to try one just staying mid.

So I figured out the time mode trick. First off, it takes a lot of restarting as you want mask as first item and then follow up with the tears. Run to the top of the stage and max the tears, then spider cooking. EXP from kills outside the arena will spawn at the edge, so no need to run around for it. As mentioned earlier I'm quite sure that spawn rate is also tied to the remaining mobs needed, the lower it goes, the more mobs spawn in.

>>42932182
Go for Halu and Marketing to increase enemies so there is a higher chance of it dropping early. You'll want that anyway so you can have more targets to knock coins from.

>>42930032
Isn't Kusogakick a single attack?

what a funny little bastard

Are there tiers for the new Collab weapons? Is Flattening Board still king?

I finally updated Holocure after I stopped playing it last June, but now it says "the version of this file is not compatible with the version of the Windows you're running."
The thing is, I can play this game just fine before.

>>42919776
Maybe the reason next update is about ID and not gen 3 because Kay wants to implement dead rising mechanic from Rushia properly. He successfully added friendly monsters mechanic with Ina and Choco

>>42929516
>The entire screen starting to glow as Aki's hips are gathering enough energy to wipe a small country off of creation

>>42933247
Anyway, how do I fix this? Anyone else had this problem before, or just me?

>>42930032
Aki is the easiest way. anything over 500 hipstacks should do that

>>42933440
Well. For starters. Which version of Windows are you running?

>>42933264
>first time playing Aki
>I wonder how long it will stack
>wait, I'm already at the end boss and it keeps stacking
>release and delete everything at once
So this is the power of belly dancing.

>>42933247
From the change log: Terminated the support for 32-bit (x86) operating systems. The game will not launch on these systems.

>>42933609
32-bit
>>42933633
Noooooo

>>42933633
>32-bit operating systems
I'm amazed that people still have dinosaur PCs from the stone age.

What's the strat for 10,000 damage in a single attack? I was thinking Aki Belly Dancing, but I don't really want to run around for 30 mintues if there's another way

>>42934083
Don't think it's even possible currently without that. Just think of it as some kind of Pet Bubba achievement where you're literally required to use someone to clear it.

>>42934083
>30 mintues
I did it in pic related, and I only charged the belly dance for 10 minutes

>>42933633
Damn I thought x86 users were all tablet/phone users. There's still 32-bit pcs or laptops?

>>42931755
it lets you get bone bros

>>42933247
The game uses realtime lighting now. In stage 3, characters and enemies cast long shadows and the game has to calculate all that in realtime.

Maybe the lighting is too complex for a simple 32-bit OS to handle.

Alright I'm turning down attack opacity I can't fucking see my cool ayame slices + bone bros. Instead I'm just seeing micomet and sake giving me eye cancer

Did Keala beat stage 2 hard?

Does Haachama feel incredibly weak for anyone else? The poison mode doesnt feel like it actually does anything and you lose the knockback from the projectiles, and the buff to the haachama cooking is also hardly noticeable and it still sucks

>>42935384
Go full tank mode and you can tank Yagoo for a while

>>42935384
The buff applies to collabs using it too. Use it to make the already strong broken dreams even stronger.

The lifesteal sticker seems worth it for slower weapons, doesn't it? It's very decent healing and those weapons aren't gonna be proccing on-hit effects like explosions or extra shots often anyway.

Is there a max G. Rank?

>>42937534
You stop getting bonuses at G rank 21.
I dunno how high it can go though. Some people got it pretty high.

I've got 95 hours in Vampire Survivors, and this is scratching the itch that it leaves between updates. I wish I had played this sooner.

Feel free to disagree
t. played most of them only once

Was Yagoo weakened? I made it to minute 32 with Bae using
>Snow Flower Sake
>I Die Thank You Forever
>Bone Bros.
>Micomet
>CEO's Tears
>Injection Type Asacoco
>Halu
>Nurse's Horn
>Membership
>Kusogaki Shackles
>Gorilla's Paw

>>42937885
I'd put Shion in the requires effort tier.

I'm done with the general achievements, now I just need to grind the character specific ones.

keala just beat hard 2

>>42921731
1 rank of Kaela's item is as good as 5 ranks of Credit Card.

>>42938372
Using IRyS with Trumpet stamp.

What final weapon would you go with here? I'm doing an Endless run and trying to farm coins while spinning in place. I might be stuck in my ways in that I like relying on Spider Cooking to finish enemies that get too close but I don't know what's better statistically. I have the option of Lava Bucket or Idol Song right now.

>>42922978
I did it with Shion first try. I doubt she's the best though.

>>42939118
Broken Dreams.

>>42939118
With Irys main weapon, you only need 2 AoE collabs, then you should focus on anviling each to 6+. Any more is just a waste of time.

>>42937885
What did you have in mind with this list, just clearing stage mode or halu5 endless?

>>42939118
If your aim was to farm coins then you're kinda failing at it already, so just pick whatever. Coin farming with Irys involves maxing the weapon limit upgrade and try to jack up her HP, Spd and Haste instead so you can get more coins out of the Greed procs.

>>42939815
stage mode, its a first impression opinion anyways

>>42939920
>maxing the weapon limit upgrade
?

>>42939118
I just used the main weapon, wish I got the greed stamp sooner than almost halfway through.

>>42939118
By spinning in place do you mean circling around the same spot or literally standing in one spot and swinging around your aim?
Because if it's the latter then that piggy bank is doing nothing for you.

>>42937885
I definitely agree with Matsuri. She's the highest-skill character in the game.
>>42938004
I don't know if using the teleportation bullshit is a requirement, but she's definitely on the same tier as Mel.

>>42940105
In then case I don't think its too off the mark. I will agree with the other anon that Shion requires more effort than not, even though I love her play style, and I personally found Haato to be really good

>>42940368
Shop upgrade (downgrade?) that lowers the number of weapon slots you have.

If you have this enabled, you fill out the slots much faster and the Level Up screens will start giving you HP/Spd/Haste upgrades much earlier.

>>42940368
In the upgrade screen, there's an option to limit the amount of weapons you can equip. At full upgrade, you can have your main weapon only.

Buff Ina.

>>42937534
99999 or maybe unlimited

>>42940412
If money grinding is your goal you want to avoid grabbing the anvil items.
You want to be doing as little damage as possible and enhancing your weapon is just detrimental both from the coins you sink into it and extra damage you're making it do.

>>42941336
gotcha

>>42940572
Is Matsuri worth the effort? I mean really. Unless it is just for bragging rights high skill stuff usually has to pay off somehow

>>42940572
>I don't know if using the teleportation bullshit is a requirement
It isn't, but it's annoying. Somethings they spawn under your feet and teleport you into a mob of enemies.

>>42941654
It's fun

>>42941654

The game asked me to update it. What changed?

All I noticed was the new cursor sprite.

>>42930032
I just cleared it with EN Curse in a random run. The damage increase after spreading seems to be multiplicative

>>42941654
Maybe for timed runs? Ebifrion hitting twice with fast spins and perfect WASSHOI doing so much damage is pretty strong.
I don't know how Kay Yu feels about game balance, but more effort doesn't necessarily equate to better pay-off. Like >>42941755 said we might just have to accept that fun is the only thing we'll get from the extra effort.
>>42941701
Yeah that's for sure.

>>42940572
>>42941701
Yeah, Shion's teleports require skill to mitigate situations when they fuck you over more than anything.

>>42941654
If you like her play her, thats what i do

>>42941654
Matsuri is flat. +50% size and +30% damage to flattening board is a pretty damn nice bonus.

>>42941654
NTA but in my opinion after trying her multiple times, nah. Being able to swing Ebifrion wildly with your mouse is neat, but unless you somehow set up a macro for it you probably won't even have the time to do it consistently once the ranged mobs spawn. Also the knockback is pretty counter intuitive since you won't be able to hit them more than once that way, and GOD needing her to get hit to proc but Seiso just isn't that good to make her viable for immortal build that people use a lot with Sora, Subaru etc.
She's pretty fun to play though so there's that.

Best collabs for Bae spam?

just did the Pacifist achievement with Aki, nuking Watson at the end with a single belly dance shot was funny

I've grown to used to IRyS's built in healing. I've died with other characters at random spots. Bandage and Headphones are more than enough for IRyS

>>42940924
Based Hoshiyomi

>>42920054
nah, cleared it with Scythe only today, she just really needs the Akukin stamp and the Energy Drink

>>42942881
I accidentally did that achievement and the Survive 30 minutes with Halu 5 one when going for level 100 with Robocco.

>>42942277
Oh yeah I don't think this single player game needs to be balanced at all. As long as each of their self contained kits works the way it is intended that is enough. Sana going for size/aoe? Great. IRyS having fast attacks to combo with her healing/crit/damage? Great. All of Roboco's stuff with exp? Great.

Do we have a collab, item, character tier list yet?

>>42944286
What even will the tier list be based on? Some throw out BIG DAMAGE, others just can't die and tank YAGOO like forever, while there's some other like Irys that makes you a millionaire with only a few runs.

>>42940924
Cute today, too.

>>42935384
I really enjoy Haato because she plays like two characters in one, letting you switch up when you need to or for different parts of the game.
Early on Haachama is excellent since the weapon is stronger, longer range and the poison can help kill groups to get you started. Once your other weapons are online you can switch to more passive, tanky Haato strategy. With the knockback from Red Heart + Spider cooking, with the Facemask, enemies couldn't even reach me before dying even before I got knockback from the spider cooking. Broken dreams just made it even more powerful. Meanwhile she has a crazy +30% defense and 7 points of healing every 2 seconds if you do get hit by a projectile or something, or want to run through an enemy wall. The -30% defense to enemies from Red Heart helps all your other weapons really melt the opposition too.
Those Kusogaki shackles were the last three items I had,turns out I didn't need them but with Nodoka why take risks?

Is time mode just dumb?
The single strategy seems to be to rush broken dreams and hope you get the spider/tears/anvils you need to get it before 3:30.
Just an RNG fest you keep resetting.

>>42945082
how do you unlock Shackles and Soda, I need them for last two items and I don't want to bumble through characters
I'm guessing Sora/Shion clears?

>>42945441
Shackles is 10 minutes as Shion
Soda is 10 minutes as Irys.
I purposefully haven't unlocked the soda yet because I don't want it diluting the item pool even further. Even with 10 eliminations I get loads of garbage I don't want.

>>42945441
Soda is IRyS

>>42945441
you can check the achievements tab if you want to unlock items

Irys is surprisingly good for money grinding.

>>42946214
you're like two days behind the meta and it's not a surprise but yeah she's dope

>>42946214
I love the camera picture

What Ela does wrong?

man, the Super Credit Card is kinda silly, is it new?

>>42930032
I somehow got it with Korone randomly without even trying to build damage so theres sogtta be something things counted as a single attack that hit tons of enemies and add it together as an option besides Akis butt attack

>>42946523
Silly penguin loves the feather too much. Wasting a slot on an item that doesn't do anything for you unless you mess up completely, and even then if you had an item actually helping you in that situation you might not have needed the feather to save you.

>>42944674
Based on the only thing that matters.
Hard Mode
Halu 5

>>42946593
It's new and it is silly powerful. I love the thing.

>>42946214
IRyS is good at everything, her weapon just melts any enemy in front of you and all you need to do is go in a straight line back and forth and nothing can touch you

>>42946615
with Mori + single weapon it's kinda easy to hit 8k during special on the regular, I'm pretty sure you can also get there with solo weapon bae + crit mults

I don't know if anyone else decided to waste their time on this particular endeavor, but I was fucking around with the bug that lets you stack special buffs with Mori and have discovered that eventually your big dick damage will get a little too big and start doing 1.

>>42946643
She had plushie, headphones, bondages and full meal as defensive items. Do you really need more?

>>42930616
>>42931149
>>42931333
>>42931638
Ya its pretty accurate for her. I was browsing through another general earlier and they were shitting on the game creator for being a ENfag who only goes for the most obvious low hanging fruit references. Dunno, just seemed like a real bad take imo. Seemed like they were preparing in advance to be offended by how their oshi would be portrayed.

>>42930032
Aki is by far the easiest. Charge up belly dance for a while then blast everything with a hip attack.

>>42946881
Imagine Kay putting all the deepest inside jokes to the point that not even the Holos get the reference.

>>42946881
I mean he probably does go for low hanging fruit a lot but what is he supposed to do?
Have in depth knowledge of every holomem?

Couch potato on the first try, thanks Fauna.

>>42946688
>Halu 5
In some ways it is easier to do Halu 5. The extra enemies give you loads more xp, stamps and anvils. They also give more targets for life-steal or other on-hit or on-kill effects.
I find Halu gives about +15 levels over not having it, so even with the 5 spent leveling it you're a +10 levels which can make a huge difference to rounding out a build.

Ina's tentacles need a 50% dmg buff at LEAST to be competitive with everyone else. Or hit 2/3 times more.

>>42946702
ye, it's kinda out there

>>42947122
It was cool seeing the holos that recognized the headphones during the earlier releases.

>>42946593
I got Super Credit Card and Blacksmith's Gear on my first Mumei run this update.

Complete nonsense

>>42922417
just finished stage 2 hard with subaru, needed horns, breast plate, daki and plushie to stay alive. shes hard to kill but her damage is low so you need to rush to max her baseball and get an early collab to not get swamped

>>42946786
Not really, unless she want to proc piki piki piman like a madwoman. I usually use 2 defensives, halu and then full damage.

>>42947693
>shion's face when

>>42947564
UHHHH ACTUALLY INA NEEDS 100% DMG BUFF ON TENTACLES, HER CONVERSION NEEDS TO BE FULL SCREEN, AND HER TAKOS SHOULD HEAL HER FOR 100% HP. ALSO, HER USELESS SLOW ABILITY SHOULD INSTEAD DECREASE DAMAGE TAKEN BY 50/75/90% TO MAKE HER COMPETITIVE WITH KORONE.
THERE, NOW INA IS BALANCED

>>42947564
We are not having the Ina discussion again...

>>42948110
It's just one schizo on loop who thinks that shitposting hard enough itt will somehow get the attention of the devs (who absolutely don't post here.)

Is Absolute Wall and I'm Die, Thank You Forever the worst collabs and are actually worse than the individual weapons needed to collab it? I'm Die, Thank You Forever is okay at best and I don't even know if Absolute Wall is ever working correctly. Sometimes it does knockback but most of the time it doesn't

>>42948341
I might be crazy but I think Absolute Wall tics more often if you rotate it.

>>42948341
I like I'm Die, on Halu 5 it feels like it's always popping

how to finish watch tv ?

>>42947564
her skills are just bad now, her playstyle is all over the place

>>42948457
Stand in front of a TV in stage 2 and don't move at all for 10 seconds

>>42948398
It does. Each wall has a separate ICD on hits so if you spin it it becomes a blender.

>>42948341
Knockback got nerfed to have diminishing returns so you cant fend off bosses forever with the same attack. I think the other pieces count as seperate hits so theres that

ImDie doesnt win late game stuff on its own it just hits the whole screen helping clear out things that have already been hurt by other collabs. Usually it takes a few hits to take out late game enemies and ImDie provides that last hit everywhere

>>42948541
>Samefagging

>they added the custom pointer
It's almost there but it should be slightly larger since it's the same color as the EXP.

Does the kusogaki shackle remove the extra halu mobs or just the buff to hp they get?

>>42947564
Her tentacles aren't for damage, they have good coverage so load them up with stun / slow, and either the last debuff, size buff or heal buff, every option's good.

>>42948149
No, I'm the one who was arguing yesterday. While I stand by most of what I said, Choco horns x AO-chan does give her the sustain she's missing in her basic kit and puts her in a good spot. She's the only sustain character I've tried that needs outside heals to survive though, unless we're stooping to counting Suisei or something.

>>42948083
All she needs is better healing.

What's the best way to get the Power Leveling achievement? (5 times in 1 second)

>>42949128
>What's the best way to get the Power Leveling achievement? (5 times in 1 second)
Sana and don't move

>>42949128
any character that can mostly stand in place
preferably a rainbow traingle dropping
stand around and just kill waves of shit, then grab the triangle to succ it up rapidly

is there a list which weapons affected by Aqua's Dojikko?

Fix to Ina.
- Takos get faster the longer they are out and are based of Ina's speed. Start off at .9 speed and ramp up to 1.25 over 15 seconds
- Takos aren't affected by Void
- Tentacles pulls the enemies it hits into itself at the middle. Second chain pulls the enemies into the tip of the tentacle.RD0JM

>>42949348
>Tentacles pulls the enemies it hits into itself at the middle. Second chain pulls the enemies into the tip of the tentacle.RD0JM

What

>>42949125
No she doesn't, just get a healing item.

>>42949581
Why is she the only healing character that needs a healing item?

>>42949076
just the buff

>>42949668
She isn't a "healing character". She is a character that has healing. Lot of characters with more focus on healing than her need healing items, like Mel or Choco.

>>42947544
Do any collabs work for Halu 5 or are there better ones in terms of damage or utility?

>>42949688
more specifically, it removes things in an items description that are in red

>>42949721
Her healing is pointless if you need to walk into enemies because the takodachis are too slow and are stuck in the group

>>42949798
You don't need to do that. Shut up about Ina, no one here agrees with you.

>>42948960
if you wanna believe that, sure. my problem with her skills though is that the takodachi skill basically contradicts itself, if you want it for healing then you can't stack them, and if you want it for burst damage then you can't get the healing. and neither side are particularly great either since the heal is so small and the damage is just a one-shot burst. forbidden wah is cute and all but it just doesn't fit in the way cult did and really killed her stand-in-the-middle identity. everyone and everything hits 4 enemies at a time with basically everything no matter what they're doing so what's the point of it

I haven't tried mel or choco, but even suisei has more functional healing than Ina on her basic kit. You could triple Ina's healing and she wouldn't outpace Korone's heals (although to be fair she shouldn't).

>>42949854
I agree with him though.

>>42949881
So? Her healing isn't the main function, it is a skill that 1 hit kills in an area. The healing is just a neat bonus, they could remove it entirely and the skill would skill be great.

>>42949948
>they could remove it entirely and the skill would skill be great.
Exactly, they could remove it entirely because it's the worst healing in the game and she needs a separate healing item to function properly.

>>42949948
Or crazy thought here, just make it so the takos move faster so they actual do the secondary thing the skill does. If you don't have them, then buff up the damage output or make it so they takos fly away. As they are right now, they just clutter the screen and have certain weapons target them instead of enemies.

>>42950091
>have certain weapons target them instead of enemies
do they really do that? that's pretty awful

>>42950071
>function properly
If you git gud you don't need healing. If you don't, then any character need a healing item. She needs one less than others because she has some healing already and her skills don't run off healing to function like a real healing focused character.

Ina is overpowered still, she needs to be nerfed. Please remove her healing.

Anyone else think about why certain collabs are a thing and then it hits like a truck? That just happened to me with Ball+Tears.

>>42950236
Really? Doesn't seem worth giving up Broken Dreams for it.

>>42950160
i mean the reason her healing sucks now is because inalock was the best thing in the game

>>42950160
If you git gud you beat the game in hardcore mode and don't use any of the damage mitigation skills or healing any character could have. That doesn't change the fact that she's a sustain character with the worst healing in the game, and there's multiple aggressive damage characters with better sustain natively.

>Make GOD activate faster/instantly
>Rework Ebifrion
>Tell us what her special buff even gives you after perfectly timing it

>>42950304
>worst healing in the game
Mio's passive heal exists though.

>>42950278
>Inalock was the best thing in the game
Broken things aren't good, they're just broken. It is why Subaru is awful right now, she's mindless "sit in a horde and refuse to die" tier that struggles ot lose. And even then she isn't as broken as Inalock was.

That's a pretty substantial buff to previously useless skill.

>>42950278
They overcompensated. Takos no longer proc on-kill effects, no longer heal percentages, and their flat rate is the lowest there is and the rate of healing is slower than just about any character with heals as well. She's not BAD or anything, but with a small buff to healing she'd fit into her own role nicely without getting overpowered.

>>42950360
Man I haven't played Mio since like twice last patch so I'll take your word for it but Ina's down there.

>>42950362
by "best" i meant it was one of the strongest strategies. point is you weren't surviving yagoo hordes by getting good

>>42950400
>Making Subaru better
Well, that skill was pretty mediocre. Did they nerf sunny optimism yet?

>>42950400
>Instakill mobs
Does it work on boss mobs in endless mode and such?

>>42950418
It was so broken you had to quit because you couldn't die. It was broken in the sense it actually "broke" the game's ability to function properly because it wasn't functioning properly. Takos should never have triggered on hit effects.

>>42950277
The thing that's hitting me like a truck is the reasoning why you're able to combine ball and tears.

>>42946881
If I'm thinking of the same thread then I do think the devs could've done better for Subaru's weapon. Like a police weapon or a mini version of her special. That being said I wouldn't be surprised if some people disregard that Kay's favorites are Pekora and Polka simply because he implemented EN first

>>42950477
It wasn't on hit but on-kill, and on its own that wouln't cause Inalock, you had to buff your HP so that the % heals would outpace yagoo's damage. Everything together was the problem.

>>42950494
is it cause of ToT

>>42950477
i'm not arguing that anon, i'm saying that they completely ruined her character identity by nerfing her over that. you can look at most of the characters in this game, read their skills, and come up with a game plan on how to play and build them. ina's skills are all so mediocre now and don't fit with one another so you don't get that synergy anymore. and her kits was one of the best in the original release, too, so it's a real shame

>>42950498
Subaru does like baseball, even if her character is the manager of an MMA club and has interest in esports.

The ball+tears collab is crazy when you're surrounded by the tougher lategame enemies. Just a million balls bouncing endlessly in a shrinking space. Not sure how good the damage is but it looks powerful.

>>42950457
Anything that's not a mini-boss or a major boss.
This includes tough near-invincible tank mobs that run at you in formations.

>>42950588
>ina's skills are all so mediocre now
They are all great. She has not one bad skill, not a single one. There are some characters where you only max their skills so the level up stops offering them to you. Ina isn't one of them, every one is great.
>and don't fit with one another so you don't get that synergy anymore
They do. Literally going to copypaste because this has already been discussed. Her attacks knockback, her void keeps enemies from reaching her further and AO-chan murders swarms of enemies with 1 hit KO's. All the knockback and slowdown give more time for AO-chan to work his magic.
A can't touch this build, without needing to worry about dodge boosts.
Don't forget she's Flat, meaning she also gets a big bonus from Cutting Board: More Knockback at first, and then flattening board for major 4th Wah Damage.

>>42950559
You're a funny one.
The bouncy ball is an exercize ball so the is CEO weeping over Ring Fit streams.

>>42950588
Not that guy, the way I see it is to work as intended she'd have to be able to sit still, knocking away enemies while the takos move to her and heal her. But the heals aren't good, the takos are too slow and she doesn't have enough knockback on the tentacles to keep things at bay, they're slow and hit large areas in one direction. That said with the right stickers and choco-horns you get something resembling that, the horns do good healing thanks to the instakill circle, and the tentacles can slow and stun, and optionally lifesteal depending on how you build them.

>>42950683
For what it's worth I appreciated that talk, since it showed me Choco-horns fills the hole she has in her kit, But the hole's still there, she should have better healing on the takos to put everything together.

aki with frozen sea is fucking broken

>>42950941
add broken dream too

>>42950871
Many, many character want Choco horns way more than her. Choco, Mel, Sora, and Fauna for example get more out of the horns than Ina does, who is only getting healing out of the deal like a normal character.

>>42950941
>>42950962
And Rap Dog to complete the trifecta.
ALL THE MUKI FISTS

>>42950683
so if you're basing her entire playstyle around takodachi stacking then the 4th wah skill makes absolutely no sense, right, it's one big burst attack hitting everything so it doesn't fit. every character, every weapon, every playstyle hits 4 enemies with an attack so you could toss that skill on anyone and it wouldn't matter, it's like they gave it to her just because they thought of the 4th wah joke. the void zone barely helps this strategy at all, you're going to have to be darting around in order to let the takos stack up so slowing nearby ones is helpful? but it's not going to make or break the whole plan, she was fast enough to do that to begin with. and it's still ignoring the heal part of the takodachi skill, in order to do this whole thing you have to pretend it doesn't exist because they need to stack up. so now she has a skill that you have to ignore half of to play the other half. all that to do what, blow up a boss with a big tako?

>>42950871
i mean that's how it used to work, her whole kit was built around standing in the middle of a hoard, scaling off the size of it, slowing anything that got close, and healing off the takos that moved towards you. it's nowhere near as cohesive now

I haven't played Ina in a while, have takodachis always combined together? I was having fun making a huge one.

>>42951006

Horn works well on her because the instakill means she's getting heals even during the tough mob rushes, since it's constant kills and constant heals, but the healing pace even with choco horns doesn't compare to korone's base heals, it's just decent enough that she can make the rest of her abilities work. They did expand the void's range and it does ok damage.

>>42951110
Well, she still has the slowing, and the void has a bigger radius and does decent damage on it's own, it's more like they mixed and improved void and Tentacult, unless I'm completely misremembering. But yeah, I do think she needs work. At least Choco horns put her in a decent place. I was even able to facetank stage 1 endless mobs for a good while up to minute 29, it's nice being able to actually get takos to walk all the way to your position so their knockback and heals actually work as they should.

>>42951276
Nah that's new. It's a pretty fun addition.

>>42950941
Aki is a cool character.

Ina is a fine character who is blessed with 3 great skills that work together well and can allow her to build in several different directions with items and weapons. More characters should be built like her rather than single meme strategy characters.
And hell, anyone complaining about anything with Ina when a travesty like Shion exists is laughable.

finished Ayame's gachikoi. Now time for me to go to bed. Later

>>42951428
Good job anon, you've played Ayame more than she streams.

Someone in a previous thread said Kaela's Blacksmith's Gear isn't retroactive. Luckily, they're partially wrong. Anvils spawned before you get it can't be used twice, but upgrades to your weapon applied before you get it still get stronger when you upgrade blacksmith's gear.

This, but for the Inalock autist that don't understand the character was revamped.

>>42951599
Feel better?

IRyS is waaaaay overtuned, lol, the base weapon is ridiculous with the stamps, she screenclears better than Mori during special

>>42951428
Ayame, now that is a character that could use some love more than Ina.
I get that you can't expect other weapons to go outside her radius, but I'd hope you'd give her a bonus radius where at least her Character Weapon won't kill things before they can enter it.

>>42951818
Yet they refuses to nerf her or Mumei while they gut some other characters for no reason

>>42951818
We know
Did she get any nerfs at all this round cause she was also broken as hell last time, and now she can print money on top of everything

>>42950637
The ball damage is mid. Its not really spectacular outside of closely packed groups but its better than the bottom tier collabs. It doesnt hurt that Tears dont really overlap the really good collabs so its a nice last one to grab

Do you think Blacksmith Gear will be separated into 2 different items in the next update? One for using anvils multiple times and one to boost the modifier?

What do you pick for your final weapon usually (the one that you can't put in a collab). Any decent solo weapon that isn't also part of amazing collabs?

>>42951888
>gut some other character for no reason
lol

>>42951975
I like using the cutting board or spider cooking to create a little bit of space around me

>>42951910
No, but I do think the double anvils will be turned into a % chance.
As a bonus, you might be able to use an anvil more than just twice like that.

>>42951975
EN Curse or plug-type asacoco are decent picks. CEO tears if you somehow didn't use it for a collab.

>>42951975
I often use Book for a little knockback and since I dont like any of its collabs. I also like Axe EN Curse and Haachama cooking. Ive tried balls as well but jury is still out on it

>Finally get greed stamp at minute 19 as irys
>double my coins between then and defeating the boss
FFS

https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1625029768264712193

>One Weaponing Matsuri
Never again.

Starting on a new install, who do you guys reckon could do couch potato without upgrades?

>>42924317
Probably Fubuki

god damn

>>42952872
cooling down from this run, but it made couple things kinda obvious
>main weapon could probably fire a bit slower, at like 60% haste it was already a constant stream of death
>Greed stamp should trigger on-kill, not on-hit

Eh that wasn't so shabby.

>>42948398
if thats true then itd synergize immensely well with matsuri whos weapon is more effective if you spin it.

>>42954639
You'd probably knock enemies too far away with her main weapon for Matsuri to synergize with it, even with Matsuri getting the flat wall bonuses.

Someone make the next thread