/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Pekora rules the numbers domain

But vt told me that Noel and Pekora hated each other?
Why would the non-anti board lie to me?

>>4283206
>chronoir
Do they really have to make a separate channel for their pairing? Nijis really take their clique culture so seriously.

>>4283206
Those numbers for Ui-mama is proof that she’s an honorary holo

>>4283392
They are kinda low for a holo.

>>4283215
As she should

I wonder how Gura numbers would be if she took the Pekora's approach to streaming instead of the Ayame/Shion one.

16k viewers for Sora. That's a lot.

>>4283338
you sound mad

>>4283454
I'd personally be burnt out

I love Gura but watching 2-3 streams per day would be too much if she only does gaming streams

>>4283405
Ui-mama has 483k subs. Her viewers is 9% of her subcount which falls in similar range as holo fashion week numbers 7.5-12.5%. In comparison, a niji seems to have about less than double their median stream for an outfit reveal.

tl;dr her outfit reveal numbers behaves like a holo than a niji.

>>4283206
Nijiniggers should just graduate

>>4283206
Was Hal streaming the "god view" of his custom?

>>4283456
Could be because she was collabing.

>>4283206
Suityan is popular now
What happened

>>4283206
Haato is in the list without a schizo video?
Woah.

>>4285129
Today is the day of the Gen1 concert, anon.

>>4285092
Collabing with females only

>>4283277
It's your own fault for believed every rrat in /vt/

>>4283206
not even one day in the top 1, nijibros...

I'm only posting this for the purpose of showing the whole list. It's not from the "planets aligned" time frame though, so it's whatever.

>>4285092
Her latest live and Ghost probably brought in new people. Also she's streaming more again.

>>4285976
Rushia baby.

>>4285322
Festivalfags will probably buy it since its not APEX but will Haatons? Most are young now right? Its up to those two and FBK for numbers. But I assume most holofags don't care for singing/concerts.

>>4286076
>>But I assume most holofags don't care for singing/concerts.
>> t. niginigger type this

>>4283206
Nobody can debate Manjisanji anymore. Some literally who Niji female shows up on the chart, but it's only because she was collabing with a male. She will never show up on the chart again.

Manjisanji

>>4286076
>But I assume most holofags don't care for singing/concerts.
> t. nijinigger hand type this.

>>4286076
Haatons are actually some of the chadest groups in Hololive, anon. The only people that left are those who got hard filtered by her not EOP pandering anymore.

>>4286169
>trying too hard to fit in

>>4286219
I don't see you making threads or posts trying to talk about the songs in Bouquet.

>>4283454
Her voice has a lot of potential. She should keep training that rather than doing marathon streams.

>>4286317
Bloom was 3 months ago. The songs have already been discussed as much as a song can be discussed. Are you a retard?

>>4286373
>The songs have already been discussed as much as a song can be discussed
There was barely any discussion. You can check the archives even. Why lie when people can just verify this shit anon?

>>4286076
>But I assume most holofags don't care for singing/concerts.
They do. Bloom sold 50k+ tickets.

>>4286421
I'm pretty sure Bloom was discussed quite a bit you mongoloid.

>>4286187
cope

>>4286629
I can appreciate a good cope post but what exactly am I trying to cope with here? I'm dunking on Manjisanji.

>>4286710
cope

>>4286076
Haaton/Rosetai here. I already bought the tickets. The underage Haatons came from the schizo arc. Those who came from the feet and cooking arc are more mature.

>>4283392
Honorary holo that appeared on a Nijisanji event. lmao

She has those numbers because she's one of the biggest indie vtubers for years.

>>4283708
Nijisanji outfits never had such a big boost like holo, only 3D debuts.

>>4286786
>honorary holo
>honorary niji
shes neither. just a fucking leech.

>>4286786
she got those numbers for three reasons:
1-revealing her outfit a day after Subaru´s
2-half of her stream it was just her talking about Subaru´s alternative outfits
3-Subaru literally appeared on her stream

>>4286820
This

I'm tired of these "artists" leeching off of hololive by vtubing themselves after becoming famous for designing a Holo. They are all whore leeches.

>>4286941
Subaru is such a leech, holy shit.

>>4286986
try harder nijikek, next time watch your failures streams instead of shitposting

>>4286820
>>4286984
facts

>>4286984
>>4286820
>>4286986
you're not wrong. they are all leeches. THe worst of them is nabi.

>>4286820
>>4286984
Yeah but it just shows how engaged Hololive fans are that they actually know and care about the artists. Nobody knows any Nijisanji artists and none of them have become famous vtubers after designing a member of Manjisanji.

>>4287247
It depends going by that logic, since several artists for Holopro also designed characters for Nijisanji, Hayato and Rikka share the same artist for example

>>4287247
That's probably why there's more than 50 artists and only a few of them blown up.

Kill yourself brand loyalty.

>>4287289
Don't waste your time. This guy isn't here for discussion. He don't know anything and only make arguments without any perspective of the reality. It's just a troll.

>>4286820
>>4286941
>>4286984
>>4286986
>>4287090
>>4287148
All of you, take a printscreen of this post and show to everyone, NOW.

>>4287321
Cope, face it, it isn't just one schizo who recognizes the truth.

>>4287321
Here you go

>>4287396

>>4286187
yeah, at this point i think people start to accept that manjisanji is just a reality

>>4286187
>>4288932
It's such a reality that there's tons of male vtubers that don't appear there and many male vtubers below female vtubers. But those are ignored on those arguments, right? Like Belmond who has 500 to 1k viewers which has more than 30 females above him and many with less subscribers.

>>4287289
What are you trying to prove? No one cares about Rikka's artist while a lot of Holo-mamas are well-known, like Shigure Ui, Kagura Nana, Nabi, or even non-vtuber like Oshio. Literally none(zero) of the artists who is working or worked with Niji has become well-known.

>>4291429
>Oshio
>none(zero) of the artists who is working or worked with Niji has become well-known.
Tribalfag-kun please stop making retarded posts, you're embarrassing yourself yet again

>>4291606
Oshio became well known for designing Kanata. Nobody cares about the literally who Niji.

>>4286786
>Honorary holo that appeared on a Nijisanji event.
Like Suisei

>>4291606
Don't lose your time with this person. Leave him talking about manjisanji that he loves to talk a lot lol

Predict concert YouTube viewership
It's currently 30k

>>4291984
Probably stay around there. The youtube stream is only a preview.

>>4291914
She's still an indie mercenary in Hololive who collabs with the best Niji talent in order to build a vtuber nation of idols without borders. They have no loyalty to any company or ideology and sing from the heart to expand their influence across the world. That's why she is banned from Cover's Alternative campaign.

>>4283206
Hell yes, numbers!

>>4291606
Oh shit I legit forgot about her. That's a stain on Oshio's record. I remembered feeling really bad after seeing Oshio making several twitter posts pretending to care about her.

>>4292078
Apologize

Here are some numbers. Most of them are real numbers based on prices available online.

Amphitheatre-size venue: 10k (or 0 if they use their studio for an online-only event)
Equipment rental: 10-20k for a few days
Dance and Vocal Coaching 3mo: 2-4k per talent
Choreo: 3-5k per new song
Staff: hard to say, let's budget 20k
Talent: an influencer appearance fee would be something like 6k each, but likely covered in their contract

Round it out to approx 100k in expenses if they went hard and prepped for a RL audience that they had to cancel. Although I would not be surprised if the actual cost was less than 50k.

Ticket price: 5000 yen = approx $50
SPWN fee: 8% from their website
Break-even with 100k expenses: 2173 paid viewers
100k Profit: 4348 paid viewers
500k Profit: 13043 paid viewers

2nd Fes Stage 2 live viewers were scraped from SPWN at 76000 JP and 12900 EN. 5% of that for a much smaller event would be 4500 viewers. This also completely ignores the massive amount of concert merch. Merch could easily account for half again of ticket sales.

Cover was financed with $4.5 million (450 million yen) in startup capital. Making $100k from one event is good. Making $500k from one event would be incredible and is scarily plausible. Making millions from one event like they did with 2nd Fes is fucking insane.

>>4293486
And retards will still say Niji make more money than Hololive.

>>4293486
>2nd Fes Stage 2 live viewers were scraped from SPWN at 76000 JP and 12900 EN
first time hearing these numbers
any proofs?

>>4293921
I got it from here:
>>/jp/thread/S31075693#p31076778
Admittedly that isn't proof, but it's all we have.

>>4293486
bloom sold 50k use that.
nijifes is ten of thousands something pretty vague tbqh idk why since they like to show off numbers like the 191k and no.1 subs.

>>4294043
eeh, not sure about that.
video provider? any screencaps or links?
this is a numbers thread. we observe and discuss data. not holotards and nijiniggs delusions

https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1398202449752694786
This is going to break superchat records isn't it?

>>4283206
daily reminder that PPT is INCLINING. She was second in the list if you take out all the special streams

>>4294270
not so sure, he had a birthday not so while ago, thats a superchat debuff, kind off
if its just "a debut", i wouldnt expect much
though preview suggets they invested some time into production value.
yet, it probably wont match that kagami hayato 3d bomb,
and niji as a whole declined quite a bit since then

i expect 90k live viewers and 80k$ in superchats

>>4294270
Depends what kind of content. Hayato was a full band shit

>>4294270
Well, he's a host and female fans like to throw money at him. It's gonna be up there compared to other Nijis. It's not going to be above Hololive's special streams though.

>>4294108
It's all estimation or guessing unfortunately. Neither company publishes their viewership or ticket sales.
I have no doubt nijifes and other niji concerts have decent viewership and just as potentially profitable as hololive concerts.

>>4294699
I mean the top 3 all time superchatted streams are all niji males, I don't think this will quite beat Hayato but I wouldn't be shocked at all if it beats Marine and Rushia's million streams

>>4294812
With the amount of talents they have, it really makes you think how much is the profit distribution there. This current concert will probably be even for all 5 members.

>>4294818
It might be the last chance for japanese vtubers to break 100k$

>>4294790

OH NO NO NO numberbros...

Don't suppose there's any numbers on from1st ticket sales? Is it a success?

How can we save her? Last year, she and Pekora was the most popular holos among EOPs, with multiple viral memes and tons of people tuning in to her streams. Now, she rarely break 20k viewers meanwhile Pekora break 30k on the daily. Is this the start of a decline? Is it over for her? What went wrong?

>>4283338
To make their song & fanservice content doesn't drowned by their regular content. They literally streaming everyday & sometimes more than once.

>>4295030
>Platform with hundreds of thousands of content creators makes a lot of money
Vs
>50 girls

>>4295314
This cope isn't healthy anon, even this literal who model who only joined the site for a month made more money monthly than coco/rushia

>>4295694
Just imagine if Coco or Rushia were on there.

>>4283454
Her metroid and dmc shows that her numbers declines when she streams more

Here's some numbers

>>4296381
>absolute bottom tier Holo
vs
>absolute top tier Niji
Uhhhhh, okay...?

>>4296852
Dont compare Nijisanji with Hololive. The only one can beat Hololive right now is Mansanji.

>>4297031
You fags are in for a shock when the chart gets posted tonight

>>4297084
Niji has 3D debut today, right? Why would I be in shock when that shit is going to lose to Hololive, like always?

>>4283206
How?
Did they pay for advertisements or what?

>>4297204
Oh no no no, manjisanji spammer bros what went wrong...?

What makes her different from the other 3d reveals to get holo-like 3d numbers? don't think I've seen her on the rankings before, is she especially popular?

>>4297490
>barely beating the stream that was aimed for 1st gen fans, the very small group of people
Well, good for you. I gave her a try as well, her design is really pretty but damn, she's so boring.

>>4297778
She’s friends with popular people.

>>4297778
Even holofags watch her

>>4297490
No no no no

Holobros, how could we lose...

Nijikeks, I kneel...

>>4297778
She's cute.

>time difference, what is that
10pm prime time japan
vs
5pm japan / 4am or earlier in us

>>4291429
You better stop watching Korone now, because Fukahire only design men in Niji.

>>4298570
>Civia

>>4293486
>Amphitheatre-size venue: 10k (or 0 if they use their studio for an online-only event)
>Equipment rental: 10-20k for a few days
Seems awfully cheap. I admit I don't have much experience with the prices in japan, but from my experience it's about 3-5 times that price.

>>4297867
holocope

>>4297322
>>4297490
Disappointing.
I missed the start so I planned to watch it archived.

>>4298827
ogey hated by their investor

>>4298827
Kek nice one jewtube

>>4298827
lololololol

>>4298827
lol I love these retarded youtube copyright bots

>>4298827
OH NONONONO HAHAHAHAHAHA
Friendship ended with Nijisanji, now Hololive is Sony's new best friend

Can you send me a link to the site where you got those numbers thanks.

>>4299393
vnuma

>>4298635
Retardchama...

>>4283338
didn't read but i'm happy for you anon or sorry that happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNgVknQ69cc

Such a small difference in total views of Gura and Mori.

>>4298683
A business insider article quotes the number as 'around 50,000' fans watching over both days for 2nd fes.

https://www.businessinsider.jp/post-231063

>>4293486
A business insider article quotes the number as 'around 50,000' fans watching over both days for 2nd fes.

https://www.businessinsider.jp/post-231063

>>4294108
source for this number on bloom?

>>4300651
The official channel got a shitton of views lol

>>4300918
see >>4300883

>>4300651
that's actually amazing that Gura is able to keep up considering calli's channel has plenty of millions of views songs.

>>4300948
thats for beyond the stage 2nd fes, not bloom. Where did you get 50k for bloom?

>>4285976
VSHOJO BROS???

>>4300989
I must have mixed them up in my head, as far as I'm aware the only concert we have solid numbers for is bloom

>>4286986
Kek

The thread is proof that 4chan ain't shit expect for the very insecured fash.

Also fuck with Kirame, I will end this site. Fucking try me.

>>4297778
>holo-like 3d numbers
Not even close buddy. All the gen 5 3D debuts got over 90k

>Genshin Impact 190K viewers
Kek! vtubers BTFO!

who the fuck is this clown give me a redpill

>>4298683
It's the covid discount.

Notice how the day that Pekora didn't streamed is the day that a Niji ended up first.

Here are your numbers for today.

>>4302886
How can you said this with a straight face while Kuzuha lost to 3 normal Holo streams and his gay buddy lost to an indie today?

>>4302886
But it’d still be at the top unless she did some special stream

>>4302731
video game streamer for 8 years recently turned vtuber

>>4302731
It is a tranny do not engage

>>4283206

>>4303063
Holy shit Flare

>>4303063
ui still holdin strong, lets go

>>4303063
Pekora made it too easy for Senchou today
Also kanatan INCLINING

>>4298827
This is all for the retards who believe sony owns them when Sony music only invested in them.

>>4303063
not seeing the manjinigger retard today

>>4303063
damn Flare with the incline

>>4305276
It is a pretty sub par performance for a 3D debut. Hololive gen 5 all had over 90k.

>>4283454
Would change because half of her numbers are bots.

>>4305276
He'll be back soon enough. There's a fairly popular male niji debuting their 3D, right? I expect that to at least get 90k.

>>4305447
If the male 3D gets more viewers than the female one that just happened he is going to go harder than ever.

>>4305384
It's not subpar performance at all, even more for the size of her channel, which btw, is smaller than all gen 5.

>>4305509
I still don't get why people are coping just because male chuubas are becoming Nijisanji's main draw. Shoouldn't they be happy with that since they're living proof that male vtubers can be succesful? Maybe I'm not seeing the problem here but even Nijifags act defensive when it gets pointed out. Shit, if Pizza Dad had that kind of success I'd be happy for him.

>>4305602
Is 70k the maximum amount of tourists that Niji can muster? Can't wait for her to stream again and get sub 1k viewership like she usually gets.

>>4303063
A female nijisanji beating kiara kek

>>4305899
Yes? 2k is a great number of viewers.

>>4303063
>flare
what
how

>>4305229
Didnt NijiEn pull 100% of their subs on their debuts? NijiJp is slacking already baka my head.

>>4306524
?? what are you even talking about

>>4306524
>baka my head.
LOL

>>4306289
flare minecraft has a following + polka has been guerilla collabing on her mc streams in the past two weeks

>>4306289
Flare has one of the biggest MC buffs in the company plus she was the only one streaming a game at the time

>>4305892
It's more of the fact that Nijisanji is declining hard but they are maintaining the image of relevency due to a few standout male talents. Have you seen the numbers for their female talent who actually make up the majority of the company? They are very bad and few people are watching them. The reason for this is because of Nijisanji's increasing focus on males the fans who watched the females just moved over to Hololive where they don't have to worry about male collabs or their oshi talking about which Niji male the would like to fuck (this happened by the way).

>>4308982
>(this happened by the way).
Just the fact you said this means it didn't happen. Pretty good bait tho. Maybe someone will believe you.

>>4308982
This is always funny consideirng how many females have high viewership above many other males.

is this just a thread where holoniggers seethe about nijisanji?

>>4313184
this is /vt/ in a nutshell.

草

>>4313635
kek

>>4308982
>The reason for this is because of Nijisanji's increasing focus on males the fans who watched the females just moved over to Hololive
Mansanji vs Girlolive.

>>4313635
genchinkbros...

>>4308982
you mean this stream? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s6gfvO9jj8

>>4313184
any and all numbers threads should be interpreted as an invitation to come fight.

>>4313635
Could this be the thing that will save Animare? I'd gladly stay up all night watching Mimi sleep.

>>4310769
It's not about the irrelevent ones that nobody watches. It's about the top. Nijisanji males have disproportunate representation at the top of the viewership rankings. The top of Niji is comprised of mostly all males despite females making up the majority of the roster. Nobody watches the females over these star male talents.

>>4300651
Holy shit the last time I saw the total views numbers Mori destroyed Gura.
How come she catched up?
Mori needs to make more music.
If Gura makes a hit song I can't even imagine the numbers she'll get.

>>4314181
>If Gura makes ONE hit song
should I tell him?

>>4300651
mori has made like 20-30% more videos then gura has, gura's average video views is an astronomical 900k or so. mori's are also a sky high 700k, compared to pekora and korone's 350k...

>>4314181
>If Gura makes a hit song, that she can post on her page

corrected that thought for you

>>4314276
>>4314446
I know about HER hit songs.
But those were meme shitposts, now she went legit, we'll see if her legit music can live up to HER legacy.

>>4314649
Im not talking about HER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZvtUDpR5C0, shes probably waiting to release a minialbum on her birthday (June)

>>4314705
How did I miss this?
Now I'm hyped as fuck.