/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>42893736
Mumei is still the most OP by a country mile, Irys wins on for gold farm. Weakest is definitely Matsuri, and Ayame is down there as well

ayame is literary the best

>>42895833
>Stage 1
Ayame is bad. Her kit discourages collabs because you need enemies to be close to you to make use of Nakimurium and Lady of Oni, but her weapons scale poorly, and stamps don't affect the secondary effects of weapons, so her Spirit Orbs always hit like wet noodles.

Anyone have a list of the new collabs?

https://rentry.org/vehan isn't up to date

>>42896014
https://holocure.fandom.com/wiki/Collab

>>42896087
>https://holocure.fandom.com/wiki/Collab
Thank you, anon

Just found out you could cheese Matsuri main weapon by circle it around herself, X3 damage.

>>42896014

>>42895933
Nakirigumis must be hella mad

>>42895933
It really reminds me of Mio where she needs her Tarot to do the killing but collabs usually take care of it so it does nothing instead.

>>42895933
solo weapon build exist you know...

>>42897451
Well you can try comparing solo main weapon runs without the stamp and see how poorly hers scale into the late game, it's just not that good sadly.

Wamy still streaming btw

on another topic, I think every item should have a super version. Gimme Super Halu, Kek Yu

>>42897854
so just give more exp and coins without more enemy?

Subaru's police skill's broken right? I avoided enemies for ages but it never rises past 6 stacks.

>>42897988
5 halu, no strength buff, enemies split when killed

>>42897451
Yes I know, please see the part where I say her weapons scale poorly and her spirit orbs don't benefit from stamps. I've cleared Stage 2 Hard, Halu 5, Single Weapon with about 10 Holos so far, and Ayame has far and away been the most difficult. She's the only one I had to take Credit Card on because she desperately needs the weapon levels to keep up, and even at +13 with Akukin and Haste stamps she was barely skating by on slivers of health. Her weapons just feel very weak comparitivley, and the dead zone between her and the Katana attacks doesn't help either.
For comparison, the others I've cleared are Mumei, Korone, Shion, Sora, Mio, Suisei, AZKi, Miko, and Gura. Ayame took way more attempts than even the worst of those.

wtf ame can AIM now?

Do only stat debuffs count as debuffs for Aki's passive?
Does MiKorone or Snow Flower Sake work?

fastest greed stamp?

What is it?

>>42898588
Chicken Feather, think it's a Kiara clear item?

>>42897854
I'm pretty sure that's his plan. Not sure what Halu will get, though. It'd be funny if it was just instant Halu 5, except even more enemies and even harder.

>>42897451
>>42898211
She doesn't have any innate damage buffs, just haste. The biggest problem with that is her katanas, aside from short reach, don't hit enough times per swing so you can't even attempt to use her like you would Korone. Even at 150% haste her attacks are too slow to make up for the lack of damage. Ayame isn't exactly the worst but she feels pretty below average after my own attempt at single weapon stage 2 hard.

>>42898802
I hope not. I would want it all the time if it ups the difficulty as well.

>>42898802
They should make Halu available on the shop desu
Tired of rerolling for it every time I don't get in on the first level up

>>42899087
He literally did

>>42899147
It feels like he lowered enemy density to compensate for Marketing being there, been playing with max marketing and I don't feel a difference.

>>42899005
>She doesn't have any innate damage buffs, just haste.
Right, but that's not even that bad. Same can be said for AZKi and she clears without much issue. But yeah, low damage on the Katanas is the big issue. I suspect the damage was lowered some to account for the spirit orbs on the awakened version, but them not being affected by stamps hurts her in a solo weapon run.

My first Nodoka with Mr koro, pretty fun honestly

>decide to get over 10k damage+no ult achievement as aki
>fall asleep pressing up key
>wake up to complete screen
>have to do it all over again because i didnt detonate the belly dance stacks
fuck

The only tier list that matters in this game:
THE SPEED TIER LIST (0.5 edition)
>S for Speed is Life
Fubuki (225/can reach 330 when you pop Friendzone)
Roboco-San (280: Gains a 100% speed with her Special Attack)
>A for Amazingly fast
Kronii (256: technically 256.5, but I don't know how the game deals with decimals)
Okayu (256)
Gura (245)
Ayame (234)
>F for Fast
AZKi (216)
Matsuri (210.25)
Fauna (210)
Miko (210)
Mel (210)
Aqua (210)
>K for kinda fast
Mori (182)
Kiara (168)
Bae (160)
>M for Meh
Ina (150)
IRyS (150)
Aki (150)
Subaru (150)
>T for Tortoise
Haachama (145)
Mumei (140)
Mio (140)
Korone (140)
Sora (140)
Choco (140)
>Z for ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Ame (135)
Shion (135)
Sana (130/ Technically she can reach 182 with the buff from Astrology, but it is too unreliable)
Suisei (130)

Here is the list with the numbers: https://files.catbox.moe/tcxqkz.PNG

>>42899480
good to see you again speedanon

>>42899087
Kinda defeat the purpose of 'scary' items, which you can accidentaly get while opening holozon or leveling up. If it's on the shop you can ignore it forever. And by you, I mean the casual of the casual of player who just want to play as cute girls.

>>42899270
I feel like the problem is that her attack speed is actually deceptively slow for what it is since it only does two hits per swing. Didn't really have much issue when I could use her special but for her low damage output that attack speed should be up all the time instead of just every so often.

>>42899480
SA?

>>42898398
I'm pretty sure it's all kind of debuff, so both stat debuffs and anomalies should count.

>>42899875
The special, I just called it Special Ability(SA) so I could fit it in the excel box

I need to buy elims and rerolls so I can coin farm more consistently, went IRyS and didn't get Halu or Superchat until 9 minutes in

Any youtubers unrelated to hololive played this update? Dex used to but his internet's dying right now.

I just realized that when Kay Yu going to add Unison as a background song for one of the stages I'm gonna lose my shit.

Shion's portal needs a knockback on exit.
Then even if you don't use it for movement you could stand in one place and still get a use out of it.

>>42899875
South America. It's how fast they'd run if they were dropped in Brazil.

>>42900595
>Then even if you don't use it for movement you could stand in one place and still get a use out of it.
Portals don't drop work if dropped on top of one another, just the damage. I used Shion for couch potato, there is no teleporting happening.

Who's the best character for a couch potato run?

>be Lamy
>one of the most invested holo on the game
>dev still decides to delay her gen even further
what gives

>>42901077
any character with a companion basically

>>42901125
She got her award winning sake in, its not so bad.

>>42901077
Many found success with Sora, Subaru, Ame
Basically the ones with immortality bullshit and XP magnets>>42901145

>>42901077
Probably Mumei. Remember that her special gives her invuln while the screen is up now.

>>42901125
>Be Kaela
>THE most invested
>ID release all but confirmed next
>If the silhouettes are correct, it doesn't include her gen

Kay Yu works in mysterious ways.

>>42900203
idk about youtube, but twitch has a holocure category
pretty sure if you searched on youtube gaming (idk if taht still exist or not), you'll find some

>>42901190
anon what are you talking about, you can clearly see Kobo, Zeta and Kaela in the back

>>42901357
I am so fucking retarded.

>>42901156
did she react to that on her first stream?

>>42899480
I never realized Suisei was that slow since I don't even need to move when I use her.

>>42901237
I prefer long edited videos over streams, so twitch is a no. Youtube game category is probably full of indie vtubers' stream archive but I'll check

>>42901547
Not only is she slow, her weapon attack is also slow. Makes solo weapon running her a pain even with the big crit numbers

What's the trick to a starter-weapon-only run? Even after using all my rerolls and eliminates I keep ending up at a point where I have no options other than picking a new weapon.

>>42901644
there's an upgrade at the shop that limits weapon you can carry
free of charge too

>>42901644
buy the free upgrade that lets you limit your weapons

>>42901156
She has FOUR different items representing her. That's as much as Coco and Korone.

>>42901799
Frozen Sea is a bit weird, does Lamy like BL or something?

>>42901853
no, it just lamymarine colab

A bit weird that collabs show up as Level 1, they should show up as Level EX or something.

day 4 and i still havent played everyone

>>42901547
To be fair, the lower tiers differences in speed are barely noticeable, unless you spend a lot of time playing a slow one over and over and then suddenly change into anyone over T-tier

wamy...

Suddenly I've started getting this error. Any explanations?

whats the best way to use anvil bros?

>not a single holomem tried Time attack mode
It's time to remake that mode into a real stage, its such a waste of that music.

>>42902581
koyori...

>>42902581
>https://twitter.com/HoloCureGame/status/1624113170553122816
?

>>42902581
Mumei...

This game truly has desire sensor. Decided to go for greed build and greed stamp dropped only at 13 minutes.
For anyone going for it: build as visible, stamps are fire rate/greed/projectiles and akukin on the ground, swapping for bosses. I'm not 100% certain shiraken works, so the size stamp may be better option.
You can also replace limiter with full meal (survivability) or face mask (full damage).

>>42902581
Time Attack will be more popular when the leaderboards are back. So never.

Bout to do the Hard Stages with BRAT to get her to Gachikoi rank, wish me luck

>>42899480
good to know my oshi is part of the: A for Amazingly fast group

>>42903031
>shiraken
I tried it on IRyS and didn't notice any difference

What's the point of the marketing upgrade in the shop other than added challenge? I noticed it's not 0 coins like the other challenges

>>42903500
more exp?

>>42903511
it says spawn 1 more. Is that per stage? How is that not really negligible

>>42903500
It's an upgrade hidden as a challenge. It gives you more EXP and chances to drop anvils/stamps.

>>42903565
It's 1 more per wave of spawns...

>>42901190
are you blind or just retarded? There's 9 ID's, 9 silhouettes. She's literally right there in the center.

>>42903802
I already answered your question here >>42901424

I think I saw Vesper's loading screen on the TV cycle. Is that the actual first Stars reference in the game?

>>42903871
screenshot?

>>42901237
Can't find the category for Holocure sadly, I swear I've seen them before...

>>42903907
Just tried to find it again, and false alarm I think. That is Moona. I think. I thought S2 Hard had an updated image set.

Kanata playing stage 2 hard when?

69

>>42904272
I think she only play this game once right? Is there any reason she doesn't touch it again?

which talent is gonna have a summon mechanic as their weapons kinda like aki or choco ult charming others and make them kill shit? I'm actually hoping rushia to get this if she ever gets in. She'll summon 1-4 butterflies to attack her, and her ult is reviving dead mobs nearby to kill other mobs

Does bone bros change size according to boob size ?

>>42904518
Mel's bat doesn't count? what are they summoning?

>>42904518
I want Luna summon Luknight like Azir in lol

Are enchantments random. I had fun with a weapon size/weapon size Rap Dog collab.

Is there a list of weapons and collabs that work with Aqua's double throw passive?

>>42904518
All that effort for a "add Rushia pls" shitpost.

Missed the couch potato popup for the screenshot but I got it pretty easily with fauna

>>42905115
>all those drops
did you just not move and let the game play itself?

Why is Irys the one to farm with? I don't see anything in her kit that would help unless she's just super OP

>>42905301
Yes that's what the achievement is, don't move at all

Halloween Night~

>>42905339
that looks hard to do

>>42905338
The greed stamp adds a chance for you main weapon to drop coins on hit, Iryss has the highest hit rate so makes the most coins.

>>42905338
retardchama...

>>42905338
>Greed Stamp has a 10-20% chance to drop a coin on hit
>IRyS's main weapon hits a fuckton for small damage
>She has healing on her kit, making her easy to survive Halu 5

Korone also works, but IRyS is better because she's ranged.

>>42905369
I got it with amelia, it's actualy not so scary

>>42905386
Makes sense
>>42905399
indeed...

>>42905369
not if you have the 300% pickup range item, it's just annoying at the start with fauna since she kills enemies so far away from you that you get 0 exp for several minutes

>>42905369
It's really not too bad on stage 1 if you have the shop upgrades, pretty sure any character should be able to do it without much issue

>>42905409
I assume you can still use the mouse to aim, otherwise Amelia seems like one of the hardest to do it with

What am I missing here?

>>42905503
Whatever it is, I'm missing it too. So fucking frustrating. I checked my achievements and can't find a single damn thing I'm missing in terms of item unlocks.

>>42905503
IRyS's Soda ?

>>42905115
>wamy water
>cutting board
>fan beam
Those knockback weapons really help

>>42905503
>gun + katana
What item is that? I don't have it. I assume it's a collab.

Jelly, boys?

>>42905115
I'm shocked you managed to pull that off. I tried Fauna and I got knocked out when the deadbeat circles started closing in on me.

>>42905503
CEO Tears + Spider Cooking
Lava Bucket + Potato

>>42905592
Bone Bros. EN Curse + Cutting board.

>>42899480
Could Shion technically be considered faster since she can teleport via her portals?

>>42905606
>On Shion

Not really. You'll get less than IRyS does in 5 minutes during your whole run.

>>42905606
>shion

Which character can be used to unlock the ball? Cutting board collab acceptable or not

>>42905606
Say that again when you got early akukin stamp

>>42905568
yeah they were really good especially since they chained into each other
>>42905641
EN curse + fan beam (they all come from the left and right) + sapling buffs took care of them

>>42905785
I've failed to get it because collabing. My guess is that the time held for the collab item and the board don't add up.
So the collab item might count if you manage to hold it for over 10 mins

>>42905785
All flatties. Gura, Ina, Shion, Suisei, Matuli

So the 'complete the armory' and 'unlock all idols' achievements will only get harder later right? Is it better to release new achievements to create tiered achievements, or to just ignore that those achievements are technically unaccomplished with each update?

>see Ubersheep
>immediately eliminate it
>see Energy drink
>immediately pick it up

>>42906035
Honestly, the rewards are so small that I don't think it matters that they'll be unaccomplished. If you're playing as the updates come out and achieve that, you're likely gonna unlock all the characters as soon as you play the update. And you'll likely fill the armory one pretty soon after through regular play. Maybe he'll make it so it locks again and you'll get the reward again when you re-accomplish it.

It bothers me that Fauna still has Whisperer when her kit doesn't support the playstyle. It sounds good in theory (passive healing to proc Guardian Tree), but losing stacks on taking a hit sucks because she doesn't actually have any tools to keep mobs off of her. I'm not even particularly happy with the theming, Fauna is the ASMR EN of course but that's hardly exclusive to her. Her soft voice isn't exactly exclusive to her either, and I feel like it's grounds that could probably be better reserved for another Holo.
I've suggest this alternate skill before, but I'll go ahead and do so again:
>Return to Nature: Nature Shield has a 10/15/20% chance to root target, preventing movement and inflicting 1/2/4 HP life-steal over 1/1.5/3 seconds.

>>42906117
I feel like mask is better a lot of the time, the extra haste is nice but do you really need it

WHERE'S MY PURE HASTE ITEM KAY

>>42906117
I haven't used eliminate yet, does it just remove an item from the level up pool or how does it work?

was just trying to clear the stage normally and the greed stamp dropped at the 10 minute mark, I was hoping for Superchat or the Limiter to pop up because there were too many coins for me to gather

>>42906355
it eliminates it from the pool so it won't show up again, good for getting rid of items you won't use on certain characters

>>42906469
Nice, didn't think the dev would actually put in a solution to the issue of item pool bloat so that's nice to see.

>>42906160
>losing stacks on taking a hit sucks because she doesn't actually have any tools to keep mobs off of her.
Yes, that's why you Dodge. Or invest in headphones. Characters are supposed to have weaknesses and Fauna's weakness is trying to face tank. And her strength is doing whatever else the fuck she wants due to having heals and shields out the ass. I think her kit is overturned honestly, but not so bad it needs adjusted.

Is Ina still bad?

>>42906552
wdym?

>>42906351
Haste is the God stat on almost every character, so I wouldn't expect a pure haste item.

>>42906552
No, Ina is good. It's fun to watch how gigantic Harmless Takos can get now.

>>42906498
Also worth noting it does not eat your level up, so you can eliminate an item and choose one each level. Use them early and often to increase your odds of good items quickly

>>42906498
I mean, it's a requested feature from Vampire Survivors so it's not that surprising.

>>42906633
This makes it operate differently than VS though. Way better this way.

God damn it, I'm SO close to getting my armory full. Can someone please tell me what this one item I'm missing is?

>>42906544
>>42906552
At least I can rely on /cure/ having terrible opinions, I guess.
>Just dodge xD
Amazing anon you just fixed every character, good job.
>Invest in headphones
You should be doing that anyway, and it doesn't really fix the issue.
>Fauna's weakness is trying to face tank.
Fauna's kit is supposed to be built around sustain. If she can't tank some damage then it's not even good at the thing it's meant to be doing. She gets shields but the shields pop too quickly thanks to the game's lack of i-frames, giving her a playstyle that ends up feeling either win more or unable to recover from setback.
>I think her kit is overturned honestly, but not so bad it needs adjusted.
You clearly don't actually know what overtuned means anon.

>>42906572
It's just a shitposter.

>>42906708
Absolute Wall. Butting Board + Bounce Ball

>>42906783
Thanks, anon! Now I just need to unlock this "Butting Board" you speak of.

>>42906815
Sorry, all the talk about Ina has my mind on butts.

My best farm run so far. Got the greed stamp, supachat, halu and glasses fairly early on. I don't have the shop maxed, about halfway done. Pretty good
>>42906815
reach 10 mins with Ina. unless the joke went over my head

>>42906876
He was making fun of the other anon's typo.

>>42905763
Yea I had to drop it halfway through for an usaken stamp anyway.

>>42904462
Probably waiting for herself to be added like most others

>Ina STILL hasn't played Holocure

>wanted the +10 achievement
>double anvils
>double drop rate of anvils
>miss the 9 to 10 upgrade on 7 anvils (14 tries)
>beat stage
aaaaah

>>42906351
Never, can you even conceive how busted that would be on chars who already get Haste from Specials or whose normal weapons already attack insanely fast?

Feels like Yozora Mel's Genius Vampire gets more triggers from Uber Sheep than from Eldritch Horror, Nurse's Horn, Life Steal Stamp, and Kapu Kapu combined.

>intentionally run away from the boss for 5 minutes for the pacifist achievement
>don't get it
Nice game, very cool. So how do I unlock it since apparently my game is bugged?

I am actually having fun.

So seeing the Aqua builds in Time Stage I tried taking it to its logical conclusion in regular stages.
Something about Broken Dreams + Klutz is busted. It's not normally a high damage screen clearer in Halu 5 but there are just so many projectiles that enemies barely enter the screen. Plus, Aqua has the best synergy with Limiter of any character, and Brooms are a great weapon both early and late. Klutz is so good that I'm tempted to put the backwards stamp on brooms with Dragon Fire or Bone Bros forward. Anyone ranking her low hasn't played her with the right weapons.
>>42904883
Look in the Armory, any item or collab that works will have 3 orbs instead of a blast or a fist. For example Snow Flower Sake works but MiComet doesn't.

>>42906710
>You should be doing that anyway, and it doesn't really fix the issue.
Not everyone needs headphones. Fauna benefits from their ability to negate 'hits', which is what drops her shields. Daki is honestly better for anyone who loses stacks on 'damage' instead
>Fauna's kit is supposed to be built around sustain.
No, Fauna's kit is built around being slippery. Her shields help you avoid a few hits if you aren't fast enough to dodge, and can help you recover after taking actual damage. Her "sustain" is terrible compared to the likes of Mel, Okayu, or even Korone. All her heals are small %heals while she has low max HP, and her most reliable heal being tied to the shield is intentional. Playing her well means avoiding damage, not trying to heal through it.
>You clearly don't actually know what overtuned means anon.
I certainly do. The fact that she can solo-weapon Stage 2 Hard, Halu5 without having to move except to grab items, or sidestep slow projectiles, puts her in the overturned category along with Mumei in my book.

>>42907201
Mini-bosses don't seem to count sometimes. Tried it on the first boss of stage one and got nothing. Did it again with Fubuki and it went through

I feel like it's possible with a little bit of luck. In the last 40 levels i got 0 (ZERO) haste upgrades. I'll try again later, and if it doesn't work, maybe a tank build with plushie will work instead. Idea is - take a few hits while bubble is down and than heal back up during the bubble. How does band aid work with plushie? does it heal based on initial hit or post-plushie reduction hit?

>>42907407
Aqua is the only one who can actually use Bibi Hat properly, try it with Broken Dreams and stuff can't even touch the 150px ring.

>>42907620
>minibosses
But I did it against Halloween Bae on stage 1 hard mode and didn't get it

>>42907727
>Aqua is the only one who can actually use Bibi Hat properly
Yeah I like it conceptually but the size on that thing is just absurd. When's it getting fixed? I don't want a item that is useless in 99% of all characters floating in the item pool.

>>42907768
Injection exists.

>>42907768
Just use Kusogaki Shacle with it lmao

>>42907870
>Instead of getting negative damage from it you get -2 item slots from it
Wow!

Gachikoi should only be applicable to 1 member on full release. I can't condone this DD behavior

>>42907671
>does it heal based on initial hit or post-plushie reduction hit?
Does it matter? It will keep healing you 10% ever 3 seconds until you are back to 100%

>>42907906
>Not going Kusogaki Shackles, Gorilla Paw, Devil Hat, Membership, Injection Asacoco, and Face Mask

Do you even UNGA?

I need some sleep. I've gotten about half of the roster to G. Rank 20. Getting the entire roster to at least 20 is my current goal, since that's where the rank system caps out in terms of stat bonuses.

>>42908080
It caps at 21 anon, which is also what you need for max level fandom

>>42907989
If it works post-redaction, than health lost over time is taken as health redaction, like asacoco, and doesn't heal.

>>42908147
>which is also what you need for max level fandom
I don't have gachikoi on anyone yet, but it says G21 is for Oshi

>>42908211
Asacoco doesn't trigger it because you aren't taking a 'hit', just damage. You have to take a hit to lose HP, plushie or not, and bandaid will kick it at that point. And You have to heal through the plushies "pending" hp loss before you heal actual missing hp, so the bandaid literally won't stop until you are back to full

>>42908299
Well, the stat boosts stop after G20.

>>42904518
What about Nenechi summoning beetles?

AAAAHH HELP ITS NOT ENOUGH AAAAHHHHH

>>42904642
Yeah, Luna's primary attack should be a Lunaito

>>42908309
If you take 100 damage.
And plushie mitigate it to 10 damage and 90 dot.
And bandaid starts working after the damage redaction.
You are going to restore 10 health. That's it. Over.

>>42907563
>Fauna's kit is built around being slippery.
Oh yes. The kit with no mobility increase and no dodges is "slippery".
>Playing her well means avoiding damage
That's every character aside from maybe the ones that proc abilities on hit. Sustain helps a character recover from mistakes.
Fauna's kit is all over the place, it doesn't do anything particularly well and I'm very comfortable slapping it in the bottom rung among characters in this game.

On that topic, how does damage reduction work with damage reduction?
Like if you're Korone with Breastplate and Body Pillow. Is Breastplate even good in such a build, since you have so much damage reduction?

>>42908523
It says in the wiki that damage redaction is multiplicative. I see no reason to believe otherwise.

>>42908353
Nene is going to be a full summoner. She has beetles, seal, and bear as her character image

BUFF SHION OR ELSE SHE WOULDN'T PLAY THIS GAME

>>42908310
Nope, G21 is max. The first dupe gets you G2 and +1%, so you need G21 for the full +20 boosts
>>42908503
>The kit with no mobility increase and no dodges is "slippery".
Anon, she gets +40% speed and whisper IS dodges

>>42908483
No, you have to heal through the premeditating damage FIRST. So it will heal the 90 damage waiting, THEN then 10. It's not actually a 'dot', it still counts it as damage, which you can see by the numbers next to your HP bar, it just delays it's effect on you. It's setup that way, I suspect, to prevent abuse of negative HP

>>42908644
Whisper on its own isn't reliable enough to make her "slippery". Just compare her kit to Gura's, who can zoom around, dodge shit reliably, and still gets really strong CC on top of it. Fauna is just lacking in very fundamental ways.

I've done Stages 1-3 and Stage 1 Hard Mode. That being said, Stage 2 Hard Mode scares the everloving shit out of me and I don't know if I'm capable of even attempting it.

>>42908523
As >>42908565 said it's multiplicative. So with Korone's 30% from retribution, and 20% from breastplate, you'd be at 32% reduction. Tack on Membership and Daki and you'll max out at 61.75% normally, and 68.5% reduction when procced. Which is nothing to sneeze at mind you

>>42908756
>Whisper on its own isn't reliable enough to make her "slippery".
Which is why she has a Speed boost from saplings, a spammable knockback with Gaurdian Tree on heal, and a 10-second invuln + full heal on her ult. Combined with a homing attack weapon, she is incredibly mobile compared to a lot of other holo's.

>>42908817
Just do it. The stage tje,e is Stardust Song which is one of the best Hololivesong imo.

>>42908817
I cleared it super easy with Irys, just pour everything into her main weapon and pick survival stuff and you can do it. My first clear on it was using only one weapon with her.

>>42909050
*stage theme
Damn I didn't wake up so good

>>42908817
Just get a feather to have as a crutch

Jesas, it's between Matsuri and Aki for the worst solo weapon character for me. Mio's actually pretty good for solo if you get damage resistance and special cooldown buffs

>>42909367
Anon... you have 0 damage investment in items, what were you expecting? I got unlucky by never finding the Usaken stamp, but I really didn't have a hard time with her after she got rolling

>>42909367
>Breastplate + Plushie
Dealing 50% damage back lol

the game could really do with a hyper or hurry mode. everything feels slow, especially in the early game.

>>42909881
Time attack? Unless you're talking about speeding up time

>>42910047
the latter. i've gotten too used to playing VS on hyper and hurry mode.

does anyone know how to do the over nine thousad achievement easily?
what i thought was to play bae on endless since her damage numbers get crazy later on , but is there another easier way i'm missing out?

>>42910183
Charge up Aki passive to 500

What weapons count as debuffs for Aki? Anything besides Rap Dog, Frozen Sea, and Snow Flower Sake?

>>42898382
IRyS can too I heard

Just tried Shion, I don't think she's as weak as people keep saying. Her default weapon is very obviously designed around shotgunning, and if you can kite well she has decent damage output. Honestly I actually think her biggest issues are:
>Her base speed feels too low for what she's trying to do, doesn't need to be a speed demon but she should be a little faster for sure to make shotgunning easier to manage.
>Her teleport doesn't have good synergy with the rest of her kit, and in fact I've found it can get in the way of shotgunning down bosses. Even if you aren't focused on shotgunning, you're probably trying to stay in garlic range which can make it tougher to also run around and spread out your teleports.
I feel like maybe tying her teleport to her special might help, but her special also helps her rack up dodge procs so changing it might hurt her.

>>42910216
oh i didn't think of that , tyty

>>42910256
Rap Doog and Frozen Sea both place a debuff on the enemy, so they count. Not sure about Snow Flower

>>42910256
Broken Dreams

>>42910256
Mikorone? I'm Die?

>>42910283
Yeah, people saying Shion is weak are overexaggerating. She plays just fine for me. I dislike her portal gimmick, though. I don't really get any use out of it and it can sometimes screw me over if I teleport by accident to a shitty spot.

2 questions
How do I pet the dog with Ame
Easiest way to get 1 000 dmg for the achievement

>>42910361
>>42910310
I don't think status conditions like that count, I think it's strictly debuffs.

>>42910399
Press P near her dog.

>>42910399
>Easiest way to get 1 000 dmg for the achievement
see >>42910216

>Give holocure a try for the first time yesterday
I like it, it's simple but easy to get sucked into it, a pretty good casual game, but that's not the point.
>Play for around an hour and a half
>Eyes kinda hurt
>Slept poorly the day before and it was very late so I assumed I just want to sleep
>fast forward to today
>Play for about an hour and a half
>Eyes hurt again
>Look in mirror, they're red and they sting a little when I blink
>Realize that I've seen this before and that it means I've been barely blinking while playing.
I haven't even had the chance to git gud at it and already it's causing me physical harm, good game.

>>42910462
How the hell are you pushing yourself that much? The early stages are child's play. I barely pay any attention to what I'm doing and get along just fine.

>>42910432
>>42910418
thanks

Ame needs more buffs.

>>42909759
kek

>>42910591
What are you talking about? She was already good and now she can aim in any direction making her even better.

>>42908817
Broken dreams, you're welcome

>>42910462
I played first time yesterday, I'm having fun but have a feeling I still don't know what I'm doing. Tried Subaru after beating stage 1 and kinda struggled, then I tried Kiara and cleared everything else first go.

>>42910591
not before Shion, Ayame and Mio

>>42892938
I'm proud of you, Anon.
Though it'll suck when they release new outfits for er and you need to increase her g-rank to unlock them.

>>42909367
Shion's weapon is way worse.

The obese Tako thats about to vore Ina? Yeah, it's me

>>42910959
Why don't you go on a jog, fatty?

>>42910910
Shions weapon is godly, it's just her kit that is lackluster.

I still can't the game to work with either a keyboard or dual shock, which options file is the controller setting stored in, options.ini or settings.json?

>>42911280
>can't get it to work with a keyboard
What the fuck

>>42909050
>best stage theme
That's not suspect tho.

>Small Ame jumps before I use special, causing me to miss the 10 second kill achievement
>Forgot to sell all my weapon stickers, throwing away 2700 gold
I won the round, but it feels like I lost.

>>42911211
>Godly
Mumei and IRyS have godly weapons. Shion's is very mediocre. Mid-range, low ability to hit multiple targets and basically nothing that buffs it inherently other than gaki, which is not very good at doing that.

>>42911537
Just use the Aki nuke to instakill it

>>42907047
She's busy and her Pokemon perms are about to run out.

>>42908073
Is the payoff even worth it?
Knowing you'll have to rely on item rng to build around it already makes it a pain in the asshole.
It seriously didnt need 3 stages.

>>42906552
She's not the worst but she's not good either.

>>42910591
I'll go ahead and try her on S2H and give you my opinion on that statement.

I JUST WANT TO PLAY AS BOTAN GIVE MY OSHI TO ME I CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>42911981
No idea, I've been having fun collecting massive coin amounts with IRyS to try it out yet. Might be a fun build on Suisex, but swap in Hope Soda for the crit dmg instead somewhere.

>Item RNG
Not so bad if you solo weapon and banish unhelpful items.

>>42911981
>Is the payoff even worth it?
Not him but no but also I don't care because it's a fun build.
It can genuinely be worth going for on builds that want to go into negative items anyway, like any crit build is going to grab hope cola regardless.

>>42911640
>low ability to hit multiple targets
It's 3-6 bolts every attack, each with ( i believe) 6 hit limit. That's potentially 36 hits per attack, up to 60 with Shiraken stamp. Add Usaken stamp and that's up to 60 procs of explosions as well. She quite literately shreds minion waves and bosses alike in a very wide arc. Mumei's is brain-dead broken obviously, but I had an easier time clearing solo-weapon Shion than I did Irrys.

>>42912064
>Gen5
I want them too but that's gonna be the last update for the girls
>ID in June/July
>then 3+4
>then 5+6
See ya in 2024 dude

>>42912278
>Assuming there's not gonna be some Holostars mixed in.

>>42912432
Can't cure homolust

>>42912432
He already explicitly said they won't be added till after the girls

>>42911981
I think the biggest issue is that, even if you were to assemble a full shackle build, it has piss poor synergy. Like seriously, who could even use it? If you want any other core item for your holo that has no negatives youre already reducing how useful the shackle is.
I think its a solid contender for worst item in the game.

>>42909367
>Aki for the worst solo weapon character
Yeah, Aki is seriously overrated. You have no control over her weapon since it fires randomly at enemies.
It gets a little better when you give it stamps like Projectile Up, Haste Up, and Attack Up. But her weapon is pretty crap early in the game.

How fast did he patch out the stacking ult glitch on Ayame/Ame/etc? I downloaded the update 6 hours after it landed and it was already gone

>>42912523
>I think its a solid contender for worst item in the game
Ubersheep exists

>>42912278
Depends how they code the game i guess but, more are more of this should become copy paste for the coder as it goes on.

>>42911353
I have no idea, the weird thing is it used to work the last time I launched it. I tried updating it with both the installer and replacing the files manually, even fully uninstalling everything along with the save data did nothing

>>42912523
5 out of the 7 items it affects are all dps boosts, I'd call that enough synergy to work. Not a high tier build sure, but works enough to have fun with.

>Accidentally did a solo weapon Sora run of 2(hard) and didn't notice until I was 5 minutes in and no weapons were dropping.
Her healing build is still really strong.

>>42911981
>rely on item rng
That doesn't exist anymore. You have 10 Rerolls and 10 Eliminates at your disposal. Use them and stop whining.

>>42911804
I had level 5 Halu so she survived.

>>42913090
Hold it longer

>>42912603
Ubersheep is unironically viable on Mel because of how often it shits out food. Just another case of an item only benefitting one particular character though.

I noticed on my last run that the same enchanted Fan Beam kept dropping. Is that normal, or did I just hit some rare RNG? I thought each level up had its own independent enchant rolls on new weapons.

>>42913271
It doesn't reroll the enchant.

>>42913111
I'll just skip Halu and get it Mikodanye or Achan whenever I do stage 2 on Aki. I'm still not done trying everyone out yet.

>>42913402
Does that mean I'm wasting time and effort by passing up non-enchanted weapons hoping an enchanted version will drop later?

>>42906035
>So the 'complete the armory' and 'unlock all idols' achievements will only get harder later right?
It doesn't really matter. Unlike VS where the reward for finishing the armory is obtaining BY FAR the best character in the game, it gets you basically a joke reward in Holocure.

>>42913479
Yes.

I'm playing this game and it is too addictive. I now hate all of you and wish you death.

why is the stage 3 theme so fucking good?

For the +1 to +2 failing 5 times achievement, is it in a row?

>>42913479
Kind of, yes. Whether a weapon is enchanted or not, and the effect itself is rolled right after the stage loads. New weapon you get through Holozon will always be enchanted though, so that's one way to get it without spending an anvil. Even if you decline to take it the next time it appears through level up roll it will still come enchanted.

>>42913659
A game that's a clone of a game made by a dude who used to make slot machine programs and thus knew exactly what triggers the dopamine responses to keep people playing, is addictive? Say it ain't so.

>>42912141
>Shiraken
Too much being left to chance then, I hate the idea that some weapons are "good because shiraken". I often just don't get it, I certainly didn't the last four stages with Shion.
Usaken is amazing though and pretty common in my experience. The ability of those explosions to trigger other effects like slow, stun or flower is outstanding.
The more I play her, the more I hate her portals. For every one time it makes you feel like a genius and lets you teleport out of "box event", 5 times it will appear under your feet while you are sitting there and teleport you into a horde of enemies. Since you want enemies to be near them for the damage pulses it means you often get shunted into a bad situation.
On my most recent run I noticed that the "invulnerability and shot stopping" of KusagaKick still lets you trigger the Chestplate damage effects, so you can navigate into a horde of enemies to better delete them during the invulnerability 3 seconds. Really handy, helps a lot with making the special better.

>>42912587
It is annoying as hell but not really bad. Her weapons are bad early but early only lasts a little while and they are great once the game ramps up, especially with Muki online.

Finally beat hard mode stage 2 thanks to how busted Ame is.
Nodoka is a huge fuck you at the end of a huge fuck you stage too.

>>42913760
Yeah, her portals are more of an obstacle than an actual benefit.

>>42913803
i did it with Mumei solo stamp.

>irys
>mumei
>solo weap
>kaela anvil
>supers
You did not beat the game.

So what are the current must-have pieces of non-weapon equipment, the shit that's simply so good there's never a scenario where you don't pick it? For VS it's the Duplicator and Arcane Tome because the DPS increase is simply too substantial to ever pass them up, and honestly it's kinda wierd this game doesn't really have an equivalent of either (though now there's a stamp that does what Duplicator does)

>>42912587
I mean, Aki is just like Mio, you aren't playing her for the weapon, you play her for the skills. Her weapons should be used to deliver additional debuffs to proc Mukirose, best setup is probably Flower/Shiraken/Usaken, but you can slot in the Haste or Poltato PC as well. Grab PikiPiiman to be able to spam Shalleys and Muki handles the rest

>>42912523
They can be okay for nerfing the downsides of stuff like Halu or Facemask, but then you're relying on them to appear which is not guaranteed at all. My last shion run >>42913760 had me holding out for facemask that never came, leading to me grabbing the full meal instead late to just finish out my items when a box gave it. The only negatives I had were Membership (as if the coin loss even matters) and Chestplate.. and 2 levels of +12% speed gives more speed than 3 levels of Shackles will restore. Complete waste of a slot and levels that run.

>>42913910
>kaela anvil
What's that do again?

>>42913760
Yeah I've used her a lot and the scenario where I'm saved by the portals naturally just never happened. It's either me intentionally placing the portals in a set way to watch the mobs turning around repeatedly or me accidentally stepping into one when kiting the mobs and dying almost immediately on the other end.

>>42913910
>solo weap
>You did not beat the game.
What did anon mean by this?

>>42913955
Kaela's blacksmith gear means each anvil can be used twice even at level 1, meaning level 1 is functionally as many anvils available as 5 levels of credit card.

>>42913910
>solo weap
I will never understand this thought process. Aside from the aforementioned Irys and Mumei, do you honestly believe solo weapon is an easier build that collabs? Absolutely baffling.

>>42913955
Double anvil use

It feels like Aki has two ults, honestly. Her regular special + that belly dance nuke

>>42913910
>You did not beat the game.

>>42913965
Another reason to take Plush and Chestplate on her. You are going to be teleported into a swarm several times a level, have something to mitigate it so you don't just instant wipe.

>>42913834
I had Wamy BL collab and CEO tears clearing the entire stage of enemies before I could get close, then later on elite cooking for added coverage as well, also Shiraken, attack up and Polka tower stamps. And every defensive passive too which were barely enough to survive the crisscrossing bullets Nodoka uses every other pattern.
Still, fuck this made me sweat.

I have not seen a super item in 10+ runs.

>>42914085
I've seen like 2 super items since they were released

>>42914008
>ULT
Special anon. You keep saying ult.
And most people feel the same.

>>42914122
Did you not read the second sentence?

>>42914085
I hope SUPER NENECHI gets a skill that increases the rate of super items as a side effect.
You know, when she is released in 2025.

>>42914153
Why not just say two specials?

>>42914056
Those are really handy but you should get something like Dragonfire or BoneBros for more aimable long range heavy damage for Nodoka.
Although I suppose Amelia has her gun + special that can lay on some hurt for bosses instead.

>>42910591
>>42912021
ok I mean I can kind of see where you're coming from, Ame's early game is really tough because she starts pretty weak and needs to invest heavily in Bubba to get any CC. And generally she's more reliant on getting specific drops than most girls since her kit has zero sustain and zero cc outside of Bubba. But at the same time she can melt bosses incredibly quickly with a special pop and she really benefited a lot from the stamp mechanic since her basic weapon is already really good when fully upgraded. She's a glass cannon and should stay that way, but I don't think it'd break the game if Bubba's progression was switched so he stuns baseline and then gains damage as you level him up.

>>42914222
What difference does it make?
It's like saying flame instead of fire. It's the same thing either way.

So which stage is best for testing out chuubas?

>>42914299
Hard 2

>>42912587
>You have no control over her weapon since it fires randomly at enemies.
You have no control over Mumei's weapon and most people consider her the easiest character to use in the game.
Aki is incredibly solid. Her basic attack covers a good amount of space which means even without outside help she's spreading debuffs pretty reliably, and belly dancing is just another special if you play your cards right. Honestly can't really think of anything I'd change about her.

Does Shackles affect Halu?

>>42914392
I think Aki's aromatherapy is a bit mediocre. It just doesn't seem to activate quickly enough to get any stacks going with it.

>>42914293
>It's like saying flame instead of fire
KnY flashback

>>42914478
yes

>>42914478
Yes. A killer combo since you'll get more enemies for more xp, more stamps, more anvils, more horn heals and they'll be no stronger than normal.

>>42913917
With doll being gutted there isn't really much that fills that you absolutely need. Obviously early game glasses is a huge boon, and you probably want some sort of sustain, but aside from that it's very character dependent. For instance, Sana really wants Knightly Milk, but for other characters it's more of a niche option if you don't have anything else to go for. Hope Cola is amazing for any crit-centric build, but for characters that want to spam their special it's not worth the cost.
The closest I can really think of is maybe Headphones.

>>42914392
Not a valid comparison. Not only does Mumei's maxed weapon fills out the entire screen, but she also has a companion that uses that weapon too.

Aki's weapon is only passable at best if you get the Project Up stamp. Doesn't cover up the whole screen like Mumei's weapon does, but it's decent.

>>42914122
Who cares what he calls it. Special, Ult, Super, it's all the same shit and you know what he's saying.

A maxed out knockback stamp on a fast hitrate character like Korone is really fucking stupid

>>42914505
Attack on Titan? What does that have to do with anything.

>>42913993
It's also easier for Mio with the solo weapon only mode.

>>42914576
> Not only does Mumei's maxed weapon fills out the entire screen
What? It doesn't fill up the screen any more than Aki's does.
Are you that retard that tried to convince someone that Ina was shit in this patch?

Dev's oshis are clearly Irys and Mumei isn't it? how'd they avoid getting nerfed for months?

>>42914628
I prefer the stun stamp.

>>42914631
kimestu no yaiba/demon slayer.
MC asks if someone knows anything about fire breathing. He replies ''I know about flame breathing, but fire breathing is different''

>>42914392
>You have no control over Mumei's weapon and most people consider her the easiest character to use in the game.
Because it's an auto-locking speed demon whose power is effectively doubled by Friend, it's an exception

>>42914669
No, his Oishi are Pekora and Polka.

>>42914669
IRyS maybe, with how many references she gets in the game, but probably not Mumei.
In fact I'm pretty sure Mumei did get a minor nerf. Also IRyS in her first build was pretty mediocre.

Irys is so dumb for gold farming jesus

>>42914739
holy.... Is that stage 1 normal?

>>42914739
I think that stamp is going to get changed to generating coins on kills instead of hit.

>>42914718
People keep saying this but never post proof.
Any tweet or post of him claiming they are?

>>42914762
Stage 1 Hard

>>42914762
That is stage 1 hard, you can tell because it is dark.

>>42914739
Remember back when getting 90,000+ with Roboco was a milestone? Good times...

>>42914299
I just use 2 or 3. 1 is too basic and I don't like going into the Hard stages without a good idea of what I need to build for.

>>42914350
...fuck you.

>>42914928
Yeah you have to kill that fucker asap or he'll just keep spamming explosions.

>>42914663
Marginally, just because of Omen procs, but you get the same effect with PikiPiiman anyway, and the utility of collabs makes life easy for her.

>>42914781
There's twitter search function you can utilize if you don't believe it. See the devs tweet and make your own conclusion if that information is true.

>>42914727
Friend was nerfed in the last patch.

>>42914781
He has mentioned it multiple times

>>42915147
Based humble Holocure dev.
Smol Ame dev probably could have learned a thing or two from him.

Who should I gachi next /cure/? Moomers or Hope?

>>42914955
Shion's fun for that since you can use her invulnerability seconds to skip it for a cycle if your build isn't being blessed by RNG enough to damage race it.

What's a good build for hardcore?

>>42915524
Hope for money farming

>>42915839
Daki for a bit of breathing room, Energy Drink, Face Mask, Membership, Asacoco, basically just pump damage since health is irrelevant.

lol

>>42915940
Recommended characters?
I know Fauna's got that passive shield and Subaru defies death

>>42915524
>+1 Projectile enchant on CEO's Tears
>+Knockback on Spider Cooking
As if Broken Dreams wasn't Broken enough, now all the tears knockback as well as slow.

>>42915991
Avoid any damage increasing items anon, go the distant for hits!

Aqua with Bibi Hat and Broken Dreams are all you need.

I was bored and raised pickup for a bit. Kinda pointless past like 500% as that pretty much covers the entire screen already. Wanted to go for 1000%, but my Irys was built too fragile.

>>42916031
Fauna works, Bae works well due to her stun, Mumei is never a bad option, but honestly anyone you are comfortable with can handle it

>>42916317
Thanks for the info my guy

>>42914668
This same fagnigger was spouting off about Aki being bad last night. Its a porker from /v doing his contrarian autist bullshit

Akis a high tier and her basic weapon is good. Not super Mumei tier but its autoaiming with piercing and multiple bits so it covers a rpetty hefty amount of the screen and with no hit limit size increase just adds even more and thats even before getting in all the stuff you can do with Mukirose

>>42916031
I did it pretty well on Sora.
piki/breastplate/plushie/horns keeps you alive in-between ults.

>>42916456
>/v

>>42914668
Ina isn't worse than last patch but she's pretty weak and her abilities have no synergy.

>>42914739
Irys is so dumb for everything. Shits damage, shits heals, shits money.

>>42917331
>hurr durr I'm retarded

>>42917583
Good argument, cry about fauna now too and we're back where we left off.

>>42917619
I told you why you're a retard yesterday. I'm not going to repeat myself.

Does anyone else has problem with Subaru's Police skill? It feels like it stopped working

>>42917619
He's still right though.

>>42917676
You didn't say shit. You claimed she has good sustain but even korone has better heals, you say she has good CC, but none of her abilities improve it. She excels at nothing and her kit is split between extra damage, terrible heals and small debuffs to enemies that are within 150 pixels away.

>>42917773
You're welcome to answer for him.

>>42916288
If this is >>42915991 , then you wasted that godly drop. Next time, don't settle for no Superchat Time.

>>42917758
Are you actually taking damage? I noticed that headphones were going off and blocking it in my Subaru game.

>>42917863
Yeah I'm taking damage, and the "ARRESTED" sign no longer appears

>>42917833
Luckily I'm not. I got the greed stamp like halfway into my run.

I've seen the names of the new collabs but somehow managed to get spoiled on which items actually make them up
I ended up getting all of them but the ring of fitness.
is it bounce ball and CEO's Tears? like an exercise ball and sweat? I can't think of anything else and haven't booted up the game yet today

>>42918267
Correct

>>42914831
What i remember was 9k farming was peak.

>>42917758
>>42918131
It's working fine, are you sure you had any stacks? they actually buffed it since she gains 2 cuffs per gathering now instead of 1 and it arrests everything within 60 pixels instead of just whatever touched you. She's even more broken

>>42918358
So quaint.

>>42917833
I'm the guy you mentioned with the godly drop.
It was an okay run

>>42917823
>you say she has good CC, but none of her abilities improve it
She has an instant KO effect with an area of effect and large % chance of hitting, her debuff on close enemies isn't small and hurts them too. She has tons of great abilities and features.

>>42898715
Guess I'm never getting that then :/

>>42917823
Well I dont have a stake in your guys tiff but ok Fauna is based around heals for buffs and triggering guardian. Healing is like a secondary benefit with Sapling buffs and Guardian. Korone also doesnt really heal she has a small heal from coronets that is neat but her kit is based on something completely different

Now is it possible to actually talk about characters without people spurging out and calling each other retards for not completely agreeing with everything they say?

Kay Yu, explain this shit. It's bad enough that her spirit attacks spiral out of the bonus area, but even her main weapon does too.

>>42917823
>You're welcome to answer for him.
What's the point? All of the facts were laid out last night and you're still the only person in the thread dumb enough to believe in your side of the argument.

>>42918582
and Ina is fine too. I also wouldnt say she works around healing its just another part of what she does and now works bit better with building up. I still wouldnt say she heals more that she does damage with secondary effects. I played her earlier and had a great time thanks to her new tentacle buff

>>42918741
>her new tentacle buff
I love that too.

>>42918582
>Korone also doesnt really heal she has a small heal from coronets
NTA but that's only half the skill. The other part increases all healing received, so it's better than just the coronet drop

>>42918443
it sure was

>>42918914
Old UI my beloved...

>>42918503
What are the tons? You've mentioned one, and it's half a good skill. The instakill is great, but it only worked because it was paired with decent healing from the takos. The tako heal now is so weak that even doubled it's still much slower than Korone's, and it's harder to access unless you're putting out so much damage you can just wait for them to come to you. The radius of the debuff is too small to matter, and it doesn't synergize with any of the other abilities either. Ina's the character I've played the most by far, but compared to almost anyone else I've tried, even weaker characters, her synergy just isn't there.

>>42918582
I don't know how strong Fauna's heals are, I haven't used her in a while, but I did play with Korone today. She gets 6 HP from each Coronet and she gets them much faster than Ina gets takos, and she gets 1HP each tako. So yeah, Ina isn't built around healing, but even other characters that aren't built around it have much better healing.

>>42918681
What IS ina built around again? Because that's my major complaint, she has no strengths and no synergy. She's ok, you can win with her, you can win with just about anyone. But even with the greatly buffed tentacles they're mid at best.

>>42910959
Pipe down porky.

>>42918741
>>42918847
I started playing yesterday. what did they buff?

Also the end of >>42919026 was for >>42918741

>>42919026
>What are tons
All her skills are good or great. Every single one. That is way more than most characters can claim.

>>42919116
She lost the tentacult skill which increased damage to enemies that got close, and instead got +25% damage on any weapon that hits more than 4 times per attack. Takos now have a small knockback when touched, and they can stack with each other to become bigger and do more damage when they explode.
Her awakened tentacles now hit two more times, with decent area coverage so they go well with debuff/CC stickers.

>>42919242
>instead got +25% damage on any weapon that hits more than 4 times per attack
It's a bit different than that because it is the 4th hit doing +100% damage, meaning it is likely to kill outright if +25% along wouldn't. Useful if you have horns which care about on-hit and allows a new enemy to spawn in. It also synergizes better with her abilities to knockback and keep enemies from reaching her.

>>42918676
Now Ayame, there is a character with bad synergy.