/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>42748916
You have female friends right?

>removing "i don't understand internet men"
t. bannedvtmemes

>>42748916
im still working on improving myself

>>42748970
Based, let irrelevant 2view drama rot

>>42748970
It was a misquote and Lia apologized. She shouldn't be included.

>>42748916
Which one of these are you guys favorite?
Mine is "Improve yourself" because i can always use it against vtuber fans

>>42749087
Apologize my ass, she didn't properly apologize at all
She's fucking retarded

>>42749133
Okay dramanigger.

>>42748916
kronii's bit is so condescending it hurts

>>42748916
thank you for rewriting history pc shill
hopefully nobody will check the archives

Nobody is going to believe me when I say this, but Ame unironically seems tame as fuck compared to the other 3.
No, I don't watch her.
No, I don't give the slightest shit about her.
Yes I know she's a slimy cunt who kisses holohomo ass and does so maliciously.

It's just the whole 'improve yourself' thing is the least grievous thing on that list by far.

>>42748916
polygamous female >:(
polygamous male :O

>>42749132
I see it as one continuous string of thought.

Adding Elira to this will always seem extremely forced.

>>42749173
What if she just genuinely wanted to show concern, but she's canadian eh?

And this, is the Beast

>>42749264
other than the fish it was all just one anon's preference from the start, and you think that's the shoehorned part?

>>42748916
The best Holo-niji unity post so far

>>42749286
So she rejected you and your speech about caging and breeding her, so what.
Chill out and move on, meds first if necessary.

>>42748916
Help me out anons, what was Anykara called before they changed their names?

>>42748916
How about whoresman?
I recommend blue fag "support the cause"

>>42749212
It's a matter of context, if you have the context there you go, one of the most malicious vtuber quotes.

gimme the timestamp for the "I'm not your friend" one

If you're gonna hate on Kronii, at least make sure you are correct about it.

First of all, when people ask "What did Kronii do?" there will always be a bunch of trolls eager to jump in with responses like "SHE COLLABED WITH MEN" "SHE SAID UNFORTUNATELY IDOL CULTURE IS A THING" and "SHE PROMISED TO STOP COLLABING WITH MEN AND THEN DIDN'T." These answers are all wrong and everyone who posts them is a faggot. It doesn't even matter why they post them. Some of them are trolls just trying to stir the shit. Some of them honestly think that's what happened because they didn't follow Kronii and just listened to whatever troll post or dramatuber vid told them. Some are actual Kronies trying to make the Kronies that left look like unreasonable schizos. Whatever the case, every single answer that is along those three lines is wrong and can be discarded immediately.

What actually happened with Kronii was a little more complicated. Basically she first attempted to understand where her fans were coming from, and then abruptly did an about face and sided with the people calling them incels. It was a betrayal of trust on the deepest level, and whether or not she meant it this way is irrelevant, the effect was the same.

Basically Kronii did not have a lot of things going for her as a streamer early on. She had the Wada model and a nice voice. But she wasn't great at zatsudan, she wasn't great at games, and she wasn't great at singing, she also did karaoke pretty rarely. Which is fine, part of the joy of the Hololive experience is watching your streamer develop over time. Thus people had to find something else to latch onto and they did so by becoming parasocial with her. This wasn't helped by her choosing to watch a lot of "Gosling" movies in member streams like The Truman Show, and of course Ryan Gosling himself in Blade Runner and La La Land.

The male collab thing was not well received by this portion of the fanbase and they made their discontent known through long and lengthy posts in her community, trying to explain themselves as best they could. Whether they were CGDCTfags or just plain unicorns, or people who didn't like the drama that male collabs inevitably bring, they spelled out their grievances, for the most part as composed as they could be. I'd say the only person that came off close to being a unicorn was Aliaga Ayin's post and even that wasn't that deranged. Some of these posts were from long time members, people Kronii would actually talk and react to in chat, Kronies refer to such people as being on the "spreadsheet' which is an alleged list of her "favorite" members. The most notorious of this would be Gabe who was mentally ill and attention seeking from Day 1, but even his post wasn't that crazy.

The point is during a special unarchived member stream, Kronii took the time to read these posts, out loud on stream, in an effort to better understand what these people were unhappy about. And for a brief moment, that won her a lot of love and respect. While Reddit and Twitter were calling these people unicorns and incels, she actually took the time to read them, addressed their concerns, and even defended them, saying she didn't want people attacking her fans. She stated clearly, that while she would NOT stop doing male collabs, she would not initiate them, probably not tweet to them that much, and she would not stream her POV to them. This satisfied all but the most die hard unicorns, and again, even Aliaga Ayin was pacified. The point is, the Kronies that felt this way felt HEARD. She didn't just dismiss them out of hand, like others were doing.

Then less than a day later, she did this tweet, disappeared for a week, and when she came back said she would collab with whoever, whenever, and that was the end of it. There was no further discussion and at the same time the Hololive account made that proclamation against harassing the talents.

So in the eyes of the Kronies who felt betrayed, she had gone from understanding them and defending them, to siding with the people who mocked them and disparaged them, while running and hiding behind the skirts of the company from the inevitable backlash she had to know would follow. Honestly it would have been better if she had never done that unarchived members stream. She gave them hope that she understood, if not fully agreeing with where they came from, and then dashed it violently. That's why they hate her so much. It's not as simple as "male collabs" or "unfortunately idol culture is a thing" it is a real long standing feeling of betrayal and loss from people who watched her for over a year and thought they had a deeper understanding of their oshi and she them.

>>42748916
Crying over virtual women is very feminine of you, are you taking HRT by any chance?

That was probably worse than everything in that picture.

>>42749379
They found out she didn't really like unicorns growing up huh?
Fancy.

>>42748970
this, why the fuck was that removed? the elira shit is forced, we all love elira

>>42749264
>>42749471
>fagelira already seething

>>42749471
>Elira dindu nuffin
LMAO
Elira is the reason most nijiEN is even there in the first place and they keep yabbing.
I think they are going to re add Lia when another one pops up and make a third row

>>42749471
>We

>>42749590
>when another one pops up
Is the shit Enna did not worthy of being there?

>>42749620
Enna has always openly hated her fans so anyone who watches her deserves it anyway
She didn't pull the rug out from under anyone unless you failed to see all the red flags

>>42749620
This is about betrayal. Emna was a bitch from day one, if you got scammed it was your fault

>>42749708
Qrd? Did she ask her regulars for just FIVE. DOLLARS. A MONTH. ?

>>42749379
"Deh!"

>>42749350
Ichikara

>>42749777
There's too much to list.
But basically she claims to be a virgin and constantly talks about wanting a boyfriend, while at the same time flirting with males on stream. She got the reputation for being "the NTR vtuber" because of this. She even invited a male for a 1 on 1 collab in her bedroom and streamed with him from her bedroom flipping off her fans and calling them cucks.

>>42749834
wait so hang on... people have actually checked that she's not the 5$/M cow right?
That would just be too funny otherwise, with the same 'shtick'

>>42748916
Where is the Lia "I don't understand internet men" picture?

>>42749966
Phasecucks will always remain irrelevant.

>>42749986
Please tell that to pippa's ex-stalkers turn re-stalkers.
They could use the help before they do something stupid.

It'd be funny if blue faggot was added with "gotta support the cause"

>>42748916
I don't really see any problem with what Elira said.

>>42750533
It isn't a problem. If you go an listen to what she actually said in good faith instead of disingeously mining for trollable quotes. It's pretty clear that what she was trying to get across was that it's a struggle for her to call her audience up on things she feels uncomfortable about because she's not on a personal friendship level with them. Not "im not your friend I hate you all and don't care about you one bit" like it's been made out to be by the shitposters trying to force this.

>Phase cucks removed Lia after she flirted with a seafag for 20 WHOLE MINUTES after you cucks donated 10k to her
Why are you trying so hard? Your most popular tubers all have boyfriends

>>42749264
>>42749471
>>42750533
>>42750897
>all this cope
holy kek cucklira are so pathetic

nijisanji posters can't read threads.

>>42748916
Why is Ina's diss about watching vtubers never in these? Maybe it's because I don't remember the full quote, but wasn't it in the same ballpark?

>>42750981
Back to the rape room, bratty Pentomo
though you are right this time

>>42748916
united they become mori !!!!!

>>42749236
Polygamy to most men really just means multiple women skipping over you to fuck the same way more attractive dudes

>>42750981
There isn't anything to cope with. What Elira said with regards to friends is true for any and every streamer. It's quite literally impossible to be friends with thousands of people on a personal level. Not sure why you'd hate someone for being honest about something anyone can see. The thing that isn't true for every streamer though is how much she talked about loving her fans. Plenty of others quite clearly despise them.

>>42749379
I'm not gonna read all of this but I congratulate you on autistically writing a wall of text defending your oshi or hating on a vtuber, depending on whichever your post is doing

>>42751164
people watch ina?

>>42751307
People watch ina.

>>42751295
>there isn't anything to cope with
>proceeds to cope

>>42751355
Weak af

>>42751394
Keep coping, it's entertaining

>>42751421
>cope cope cope
Thought terminating nonsense people say when they're losing an argument on 4chan and don't want to acknowledge it.

>>42751484
>no argument
I accept your concession fagelira

>>42751307
yeah, that's fair enough
if i actually cared enough, I'd probably remember what she said in the first place

So why haven't the mods deleted this blatantly obvious bait thread yet? If the OP had a picture of Mori it would have been gone in minutes.

>>42751597
seethe

>>42751484
>>42751597
please breathe.

>>42751533
Here is your reason it's forced
>>42749264
The same Elira anti schizo pomudachi from /NijiEN/ goes around spreading his garbage anti shit narratives against Elira in the catalog too.

>>42751740
You sound butthurt lol

>>42751295
there are countless ways to explain the distance between a streamer and her viewers other than "lol I'm not your friend shithead"

>>42752004
>>42752004
Good thing she didn't say "lol I'm not your friend shithead" then?
>>I'm not good with confrontation y'know and were not friends either in a sense... like I call you guys my besties because I trust you guys but were not friends to the extent where I can just be like Hey! you know. and I hate saying it and it sucks but were not friends at the end of the day you know but yeah like I love you guys so much, so so so much like you were my I dunno like you were like my child or something... like I don't know what its called I just love you guys so so so much but were not on like a personal level

>>42752226
No matter how much you spam your headcanon it will not make it any less retarded fagelira.

>>42752226
so an amount of rejection on par with "I need another quarter for the sales tax"? shit, ok lol.
Clearly must be exiled for eternity then kek

>>42748916
The funniest part about Elira is that I always saw people here saying how much she loved her fans and she streamed for several hours because she loved her fans too much.

>>42752289
Like I said she's clearly just struggling to explain that while she does love her fans it's not possible to be on that kind of personal friendship level with a crowd of thousands of people. And she's saying that it's difficult for her to express discomfort with some of the weirder stuff her chat throws at her because of that.

Thats why you dont watch corpos lmao

>>42749379

Elira's statement is true tho? Vtubers arent your friends nor your therapist

>>42752563
Shes not even being mean or insulting about it. Shes stating it like it's a unfortunate truth "it's hurts to say it" "it sucks but" shed rather have another way.

>>42752226
>we're not friends
>like you were my child or something
that's some messed up relationship perspective

>>42752743
I think when she's talking about friends she's thinking on a one to one basis of familiarity hence the "personal level" part. Then when she's talking about child she's thinking as a collective group "you guys". There's clearly not an individual relationship between viewers and streamers when you're streaming to thousands but they do have a collective relationship to their chat.

It's like watching kids throw a tantrum when they see their babysitter outside of work hours and she doesn't pamper them

>>42748916
Why the fuck would you pick Elira over Enna for this shitpost?

>>42753418
It sure seems like the odd one out to me. One of them is implying you're ignorant if you don't agree with SJW takes, two of them are implying you must be some kind of lowlife loser if you have a problem with male collabs. Elira was just explaining, politely without insulting anyone, that while she loves her fans there's still things that cross the line and make her uncomfortable and it's difficult for her to call that out because you're not friends with her on a personal level.

>>42748916
In my opinion,
>Lazulight
-- Pomu is downright the best vtuber that exists, and it's bizarre that other people can't see that.
-- Elira gives that comfy girlfriend vibe that makes me wanna watch her. But she often does annoying noises and she associates too much with the Ethyria crowd. She's at the root of a lot of the bad in Niji, so I can't like her or support her. Although I would otherwise do so.
-- Finana isn't as bad as people think, I think she's pleasant and works well with the other two. But I can't forgive that shit she pulled, she's dead to me.
>Obsydia
-- Selen is a SSS quality vtuber and really cares about the fans. Although her personality is such a force that she's better in small doses.
-- Rosemi is genuinely a great vtuber. Maintains her character through thick and thin, is creative and smart. Highly underrated and underappreciated.
>Ethyria
-- Enna has no respect for anyone and is generally really nasty and awful. Drama-hungry contumely. Overrated for sure.
-- Millie is chaotic and has creative streams. But she disrespects her fans and is too aggressive flirting with males for numbers. Also lots of the things she does is very annoying.
-- Reimu is better when she's calm and gentle rather than turning on her bitch persona. She is only known for her ship with Vox so it's hard to get interested in her.
>Luxiem
-- Ike seems like a well adjusted and put-together guy, from the outside at least. I wish he would embrace his Swedish roots and get into metal singing more.
-- Shu is awkward and weird, strange that people are into that sort of thing. He's like a bizarre animal in a zoo munching on leaves.
-- Vox was really bad, not respecting the girl's fans and popping into their streams to talk about his genitals. He broke his brain with numberfagging obsessed with being #1. These days he's more mellow. It's not clear whose side he's on.
-- Mysta is really charismatic, he has a lot of talent. But he's also kind of crazy and not in a good way.
-- Luca has a firmly established persona that he plays well. But he's also really annoying and keeps flirting with the girls. He's bad.
>Noctyx
-- Sonny is just a typical 4channer which makes him relatable. But his gameplay streams suck, he just goofs around doing what he wants instead of attempting to put on a show for his viewers.
-- Alban is nondescript. A fun element to have in a group, but mostly doesn't make waves or get involved in drama. One of the good ones.
-- Yugo was horrible. Couldn't speak English, wasn't even male, kept creating problems for everyone else. Completely unwatchable too. Niji's decision to hire Yugo is nonsensical.
-- Uki gives off an aura of brooding hostility. He has a calm voice that can be pleasant. But on the other hand he's at the root of the cancer in NijiEN. He ruins collabs, has no energy, and he's clearly a bad person.
-- Fulgur is generally affable and reliable. But he doesn't have much force of character other than playing along with others.
>ILuna
-- Ren is just, kind of there. Doesn't really have much personality it seems.
-- Scarle is playful and ditzy. Her asset gags are fun, she's always doing interesting things every stream. She's definitely very underrated. One of the good ones.
-- Aia has tried to embrace her dorky side, but her gags are too repetitive and there's nothing interesting about her. Also her voice puts people off, if she could speak differently she might do better.
-- Aster is awful. His streams are bad, his personality is worse. Bad hiring decision.
-- Maria is ok. Her voice can be a bit annoying and she's autistic with games. She doesn't have much character other than being seiso.
-- Kyo is loud, annoying, and hungry for drama to create "content" as he puts it. He's a complete normie, and doesn't get along with his wave. He shouldn't even be a vtuber. He's a big part of the cancer in the branch.
>XSoleil
-- Zaion is a martyr for her actions. She has a strong personality and charisma, generally brash and irreverent. But her choice of games is terrible.
-- Hex is a bad human being who is clearly just in the company to make as much money as possible. He doesn't know anything about vtubers, he doesn't care. He stole his entire persona anyway. Pretending to cure people's trauma for superchats is something borderline illegal and youtube should look into shutting down his channel.
-- Doppio sticks to his character, quite admirable. But he's not that great at playing it yet, and doesn't seem that comfortable in the persona. If he could speak a bit more normally while keeping the persona it would help him. In general he seems like a more respectful and conscientious version of Luca. One of the good ones.
-- Kotoka has an ESL accent and her model isn't rigged well. It feels like they didn't even try.
-- Meloco doesn't even speak English and shouldn't have been hired.
-- Ver is a passive beta-male who is awkward and cringy, and it's unbelievable anyone watches him.

>>42751307
Triple the amount of viewers any of these will ever get

>>42754353
>rosemi
you mean the one that ignores SC's and only cared about her top paypigs? No shes fucking dogshit.

>>42754353
>Selen is a SSS quality vtuber
opinion discarded right there, cool essay though

>>42749212
>Yes I know she's a slimy cunt who kisses holohomo ass and does so maliciously.

last time forbidden knowledge was a thing, she wasn't single. (and no, not with a tempus member you deluded faggot) i don't see ame as the cheating type.
she's down bad for shojo guys because of eroge addiction, that's all.

Forced meme

>>42749173
Not really when it was directed squarely at the people who were sending her SCs saying she and the blue man were a couple now because they appeared on the same screen but god forbid shitposters wouldn't be able to breathe if they had to include context to anything.

>>42748978
Lia and Finana have similar CCV actually.

>>42749212
I don't see anything wrong with Kronii's either.

>>42752286
I think we need to rape this Pentomo...

>>42748970
This, phaseniggers in damage control.
Lia might be smaller but cucking your fans with a fat brown Asian right after milking $10k out of them in right after a marathon, will always be the most hilarious shit ever

>>42748916
There's literally nothing wrong with what Kronii said. We all have female friends - whether they're just a work friend or an acquaintance, you know women. You're confusing friend with girlfriend again

>>42754353
Is this some new pasta? I swear I saw this four times in the past three hours

>>42760783
Here's a pity (You). Don't spend it all in one place, now.

>>42748916
Kronii's statement might be insensitive to some viewers, but saying that one should improve yourself that the performer stating she's not your friend should be self-explanatory truths. We should all strive to improve ourselves anyway.
I don't know about "educate yourself" - it sounds like a passive-aggressive comment from a wannabe bully thinly veiled into moral superiority from some alphabet agenda person, so I bet it's pretty toxic.-

>>42748970
Phasecucks arent welcome

based Lia going over the dramaniggers CLEAN

>>42762139
>I don't know about "educate yourself" - it sounds like a passive-aggressive comment from a wannabe bully thinly veiled into moral superiority from some alphabet agenda person, so I bet it's pretty toxic.-
The context is she banned the word 'trap' from her chat because she considers it transphobic

>>42748916
>I'm Not Your Friend
Well I'm not your buddy, guy

I really don't get the recent shitposts about Elira. She's so, so sweet and kindhearted and fun. I get it, that it's the point, that shitposters like to target innocent vtubers just because they think it's funny and they like the drama, but it just makes me sad with how wonderful and talented she is.
She could change absolutely nothing about herself except be in Hololive instead of Nijisanji, and she'd be way more beloved here. The worst thing about her is some of her friends and if the only shit you can say about someone isn't even about them personally, then they don't deserve the shitposts.
She's genuinely a good person who actually loves and appreciates chat who most of you would like if you actually watched her. So I don't understand the shitting on her because she said that her fans don't 1 on 1 personally while still talking about how much she loves chat. She's one of the most emotionally intimate vtubers with her chat by far.
She's spent countless hours talking with chat about emotional things and being extremely close to and supportive with them, and yet few sentences is enough to make you (overwhelmingly threadwatchers) decide that she's horrible? Just because she didn't want to be sent any more sexual SCs that made her uncomfortable or have anymore fags hating on her friends in her stream chat? Yes, she could have worded things better, but anyone who was seriously offended by the most passive, gentle shit that she actually said is way too sensitive for the internet.

Define malicious vt? Girls working with male coworkers isn't malicious grow the fuck up holyshit. If anyone wonder why people who don't browse this shithole thinks 4chan is an incel stronghold is because of retarded threads like this.

>>42762797
Mucho texto fagelira

>>42762797
holy cope
your oshi is a bitch, live with it you faggot

>>42762866
>>42762888
Silly me, thinking any kind of nuance could actually exist /here/

>>42760783
lol if only

>>42749173
Even if you're baiting I don't understand this one. There are lots of misogynists out there who act like men and women can't be friends, and that's just delusional. Her comment is perfectly justified with or without the context

>>42748916
these images never cease to make me laugh, just imagine it as a vtuber, you KNOW you fucked up bad the second you see your model's stretched from the center and bold red text lmao

>>42762976
Nobody reading all that kek you simply could've just said you think she's a whore for collabing with men and you'd get a few yous calling you based. Instead you wrote too much.

>>42749173
I think she genuinely believed that her fans had female friends, literally no clue about idol fans, community or etiquette

>>42752226
>I love you guys so much, so so so much like you were my I dunno like you were like my child or something..
>I just love you guys so so so much but were not on like a personal level
Wait Elira would not love her child on a personal level, WTF did she mean with this?

>>42762997
Get a job then

>>42753418
Because they're all non-malicious statements born out of ignorance and rage that marginalize their fanbase. If anything, Enna's yab is worst than all of them

>>42761943
He's spamming it like a lunatic because he's too cowardly to make a thread to get properly shat on
It's likely just to devolve discussions in threads he doesn't like

>>42748916
Once again, you people lie about Kronii. She never asked "you guys have female friends, right?" She in fact asked "do you not have friends of the opposite sex?"
Everyone else was spot on though, sad a good point had to be ruined by a lie.

>>42755133
Ignoring superchats is based, though caring about top paypigs makes it unbased again

>>42764368
I work from home

>>42754353
I had no idea there was a niji called Ver and I watch niji streams on occasion

>>42755133
So this is why the holoen unicorns want this woman so much in holoen kek.

>>42762797
You are completely right but most people that see your comment aren't going to care. They've never watched her and they are never going to. It's just another name that holds no importance to them to shit on from the opposite tribe. Doesn't even matter to them if what they are saying is true or not.

>>42764587
Well, that sucks.

>>42762528
I'm not your guy, pal

>>42751297
NTA, but its a copy paste I saw like 3 months back before I fell into wAIfu hell and am only now seeing the light of day again, so either a dedicated cuck (many such cases) or just an anon posting what he himself saw (less likely, otherwise they would have said so.)

>>42764840
Haven't met a woman in years since Covid. Not like i care about it but it proves that what Kronii said is false.
I do not have friends of the opposite sex

God, I still cant get over the irony of "educate yourself" its a combo of finding it hilarious and also rage inducing.

>>42765163
If only Kronii thought about the exception to the rule every time she said something.

>>42763652
The only possible motivations for what she said are either her being absolutely delusional about who her audience is, or deliberate malice. No sane person would assume that people spending their free time watching anime girls play video games interact with females on a regular basis.

>>42765962
>No sane person would assume that people spending their free time watching anime girls play video games interact with females on a regular basis.
NTA, but pretty much this, another instance of her clearly having no interest in the vtubing scene before, or after auditioning other than "Oh, this is popular"

>>42749834
Maybe Nijisanji EN division was a mistake after all...

>>42762797
She gave up the game, we all know it.
Except, of all people, Elira really wasn't supposed to give up the game, because she relies on that chill parasocial intimacy (some would call it friendship) to get people to sit through 7 hours of Pokemon.
Of course, what she said is something everyone knows. But if Bear Gryllys, at the end of a gruelling, heartracing seasons battling starvation and beasts, if he turned to the camera and told me none of it was real and he was living in the lap of luxury off camera, I would enjoy that season considerably less, and it would color my opinions on everything he's done in the past

>>42762976
Don't you know anon? This place, along with just about every other general on 4chan, is just reddit lite-- a place where people can farm upvotes in the form of (You)s without any of the collateral of an identifiable username. People will deny it up and down, but that's all it is. It's the saddest form of serotonin farming that a human being can accomplish short of being a trained circus seal.

Now watch, I'm going to attach a gif of Elira Pendora to my post to draw out a couple of contrarians. I do not care if anyone responds to this post, because this topic is ephemeral at best and patently stupid.

>>42749834
>she claims to be a virgin
She has never done so at any point
You are genuinely delusional

>>42767051
You have quite a different perspective to me on what she said and what it means it seems. Because the way I interpreted it she was in no way rejecting the kind of parasocial intimacy that a chat and streamer has. If anything she came off as parasocial herself in saying it with phrases like "it hurts me to say this" and "it sucks but..." and then talking about how much she loves her chat and puts them before almost everything else. What she was doing was differentiating the relationship a streamer has with their chat from the kind of personal friendship you have with someone knowing them one on one. She even accepts that you could think of it as a collective friendship.

>>42767447
Anon... At least do your research

>>42749471
>we all love elira
Elira is directly responsible for the current state of nijien. If you want to have a good EN division for your vtuber company, just follow 2 steps:
>don't hire chinese
>don't hire canadian
It's literally that easy.

>>42767447
ok retard

>>42769183
Who are you even left with then Pomu from the first two waves and thats it.

>>42769267
Yeah, the only non-dogshit talent you lose is Selen.

>>42769315
If you are going to say Elira is at fault because she is friends with members you don't like then why not Pomu? She is part of the same friend group and would have almost certainly recommended all those same people along with Elira.

>>42754353
Petra...
Nina...

>>42765962
Her motivation was trying to understand how "streaming a collab with a guy" somehow equaled "fucking that guy".
Truthfully she's a bit of a normie and doesn't know how terminally degenerate, always online people can get.

>>42767543
That was all after the initial statement though, to couch it.
Personally, I have no particular qualms about this yab. I'll continue to watch Elira because she's not my oshi and I don't care if we're friends or not lol. I just feel sad for the unicorns who caught feelings

>>42770254
>That was all after the initial statement though, to couch it.
This kind of thing is such nonsense anon and you know it. When she says the quotable meme phrase people want to push as being awful its true and heartfelt. But when you contextualize the statement such that it shows the meaning is nowhere near as harsh as its being made out to be that's all some kind of disingenuous backpedalling that doesn't count.

>>42767314
Based famelira

>>42769847
Believe me I dislike Pomu just as much, can't say that though without her schizo fans spamming cp to get the thread deleted.

>>42764075
We're just a clump of cells to her...

>>42749173
>>42748916
>>42749261
Kronii's isn't on the same level as the other ones, you autists.

>>42748916

>>42774402
Yep, it is in fact the worse one

>>42774402
>>42774728
>>42775363
good morning, sir

>>42754353
what about Nina?

>>42749379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXPC2HXjrYU

>>42748916

>>42748970
this
nijisanji doesn't deserve 2 slots in that image. Number too small and chuubas too inferior. Only hololive should to underline their superior status

>>42780777
We need this one added

>>42781939
>>42780777
not the same, doesnt fit

>>42748916
>women: Educate yourself and improve yourself. You have female friends, right? I'm not your friend.
These four sum up women in general

>>42748970
>phase
>relevant
Like either go indie or the big boys, no use in cucking yourself with low-tier company shitters on the brink of getting canned
Anything bad happening to you because you watch shit like Phase is on you

>>42760783
Bro I don't have friends period, let alone female ones. I can't remember the last time I talked to a woman that wasn't a family member or a service worker.

>>42749212
'Improve yourself' is the worst one actually because it's directly implying that her viewers are complete losers who are in need of improving. Kronii's coment is just ignorant and out of touch, and finana's is just a bad take with her parroting twitter stuff. Elira's isn't even bad, it's just re-enforcing the boundries between streamer and audience. None of those 3 are calling their audience losers like ame did.

A man can form a closer bond with an ant than he can with a woman.

>>42748970
Lia actually properly apologized

>>42749471
elira never really apologized, she just admitted she fucked up
lia on the other hand dogeza'd

>>42785686
>elira never really apologized
>guy says you can just warn/ban people instead of giving a big talk about it for the 1% of fans that make weird comments
>You’re definitely right and I apologize for how I acted... what you said is exactly what I should have done

>>42749212
>>42749173
Yeah, I will never understand how even having so much time to plan her response Kronii fucked up so badly using the words she used, most of the people that watches the content she and other vtubers do are people with no female contact or friends in general, most of these people just want a sense of belonging or a positive human conection with someone they like. I know this because ever since the pandemic I've been stuck at home with the only other interactions in my life being my mom and her dog, but I can empathize and image people in worse conditions than mine
To this day I'm really confused if she really was/"is" unaware about how the whole Hololive/idol culture worked or she knew and just wanted to pull a "my way or the highway, 'parasocial fuvkz' ".
(That last one I see it more in Ame and her "Improve yourself" response, which as other anons said is the least offensive and actually a "good" advice)

>>42749379
Allah give us just a few seconds on this beautiful green earth and I aint spending some reading all of that, shill cunt

>>42766934
>>42749834
All EN branches at all corpos where a mistake

What Elira said really hurt me

>>42748916
Phasenigger deflection thread.

>>42748970
this one is better.
lia is the ultimate NTR.

>>42794418
that line fit's perfectly as the final piece.
phase discordtroons always make memes to shit on other corpos but themselves, fuck em

>>42769847
>She is part of the same friend group
No, she clearly is not. There's a reason she is never invited to offcollabs and offline meetups.

>>42794418
Fagelira deflection post

>>42795749
i don't even watch her or any of the 4 ones i posted.
i'm here for the drama.

>>42749173
Kronii's bit is amazing because it's a completely innocuous statement unless you are a massive loser. People are committing a massive self-own by getting triggered by it.

>dramaniggers are crying about Lia and trying to force a narrative
phahahahaahahhaahhaha

>>42748916
It's funny how Mori is worse but not in this list

>>42749173
She has the lowest IQ among EN women

i really like coming on vt because its hilarious how much people throw tantrums over regular statements on self improvement and being a decent person

>>42801523
People here watch vtubers to escape their miserable failson existences and feel a little less lonely. They hate having their failures pointed out by the very media they are using to cope. The girls who bully lonely manchildren are incredibly based, if a bit cruel.

>>42785156
>"because it's directly implying that her viewers are complete losers who are in need of improving."
>me seeing poster behaviour on 4chan

she is right though

>>42748916
all western

>>42805296
EOP board

>>42805296
Make sure to donate to Lui, ATM

>>42805296
Imagine caring about nip speaking insects.

>>42797874
Shh.. don't just tell them.. theyre funny right now

>>42748916
"Educate yourself" spoken by one of the biggest actual retards in Vtubing will never stop being funny to me.

>>42805674
>watches anime girls
Imagine being a westernbeggar

>>42794418
just add another row, the won't be the last to yab, lia deserves to be on there for the ultimate cuckoldry she performed

I swear fags here have the thinnest skin on 4chan. Every day there is a thread full of people cuddling each other and licking each other's wound over something a vtuber has said. Pathetic

>>42807059
Generalfags are just too stupid to stay in their safe spaces.

>>42749264
the elira one feels forced because the others were actually dramas that caused significant fan backlash, the worst thing elira got from hers was a few people pointing out that she should just ban the people causing her problems instead of giving a speech about it

if i had a dime every time they used the word "forced"

>>42748970
I just like Lia being removed because it means Phaseniggers lost something else and that fills me with glee.

>>42785156
she's right though,no one would be offended by that except pure losers

>>42748951
I do and I don't understand how others dont

>>42807498
>because the others were actually dramas that caused significant fan backlash
how was ame's backlash significant in any way?

>>42748951
Yeah, and I get Kronii's point. Sorry, nerd.

>>42809768
Because i don't want to? I don't want to be friends with women

>>42809622
Moderately based.

>>42810390
Get some fresh air

>>42809780
Called her fans losers.
But she hates them and they know it so only new fans were probably offended.

>>42785156
Getting assblasted by it, you actually recognize you have a problem, you just chose to stay a loser and seethe over it

>>42785526
>>42749087
>mandated apology
She doubled down on twitter until management bonked her. Her true colors were shown for a split second.

>>42748916
The Jesus Christ of Vtubers

>>42762194
>Phasecucks aren't welcomed.
Feels like you are using the meme as a badge of honor in order to shield Lia from getting associatiated...

>>42782307
Just make a new one, but for males. Given how many yabs/days Nijisanji is having, I bet we can get 3 more soon

>>42748970
>>42794418
Lia definitely deserves a spot on the list
>debuts as the poster girl of Phase Connect
>ends up with some of the shittiest numbers in the company
>TIME FOR A REDEBUT
>suddenly into lolcow/imageboard content
>caters hard to 4chan and kiwifarms by doing react streams about Chris Chan, DSP, Tails gets trolled etc
>her numbers shoot up
>TIME FOR A DONOTHON
>gets 10000$ from her relative small fanbase
>end of the donothon
>does asmr for her fans
>interrupts it to get her male irl friend on stream
>30 minutes of cucking
>fans get understandably mad at her
>"I don't understand Internet men"
>apologizes later
>time for another asmr and this time no interruptions!
>ends this one by going "lol actually I am a lesbian, no more gfe, lets just be friends"

>>42751295
just don’t even bother with catalog you can’t expect these retards to know how human social interaction works they haven’t had any in years

>>42782411
it shows no matter where you go, they're all the same.

>>42815750
Pickme Connect

>>42815896
nose too short

>>42815896
I like this meme, because you can feel the female angst put into it, with zero self-awareness.

>>42806488
It's the only one that really pisses me off. Improve yourself comes off as arrogant, female friends feels like Kronii just being a retard, Elira's mask-off legitimately made me feel sad. But fuck, Finana telling ANYBODY to educate themselves actually makes me angry. Bitch has single-digit IQ, I wouldn't let her cross the street without strapping a helmet to her head for safety. It's just so ridiculous it loops back to being extremely irritating.

>>42813186
she has a boyfriend, husband, kids and is pregnant

>>42817620
all me

>>42816953
I don't think its really right to call what Elira said "mask off". As someone that has watched her the whole time it wasn't like I was suddenly like "so this is what Elira thinks of us she actually hates us and that was all fake". It didn't feel incongruous with her presented personality at all. The way she went about talking about it was just about the most Elira way possible. Putting everything as softly and kindly as possible, struggling to even say it because of how non confrontational she is, apologizing while even saying it, being completely respectful of everyone still and assuming that none of it was being done with malice, reinforcing how much she loves her fans and how important they are to her. It wasn't some sudden shock where she showed her "true colors" or whatever. Like say it would be if she had a hot mic moment and started shitting on her fans and calling them all pathetic losers or something. I'm still fully left with the impression she does indeed love her fans very much.

But I agree that it made me feel sad that someone that has been nothing but one of the most kind, considerate and affectionate towards their fans vtubers I have ever watched felt the need to come out and say something like that because of some autismal people with no awareness of appropriateness taking advantage of her being too nice for her own good, thinking they can throw whatever they want at her and pushing things too far. She treats her fans so well that it made me kind of sad that people couldn't be considerate back to her.

>>42815896
You will never be desirable fattie

>>42815750
>lol actually I am a lesbian, no more gfe, lets just be friends
many such cases

>>42815896
mspaint core

>>42807059
E-celeb board on 4chan was a mistake. We should've gatekeep Vtubing since 2018

>>42807059
I remember when /vt/ was having a collective breakdown over ina's joke in that gg stream
fucking baby shit.
I dont know how they can live when it feels like a strong enough wind will cut them open and expose their organs

>all those walls of text
I also think it should be the phase connect whore there, but damn, why are elirafags like this?

>>42748951
I had multiple before moving in 2022 and cutting every single one out of my life. Deleted and blocked on my phone. I don't have time for their toxic shit.

>>42751164
>>42751307
There's an image floating around that shows the chuubas with the biggest following on the hololive reddit. Ina is by far the largest. Basically, takodachis are not /here/ and are the biggest fags

>>42749212
>It's just the whole 'improve yourself' thing is the least grievous thing on that list by far.
ame and finanas are the only ones that were genuinely passive agressive

>>42823053
I blame japmoot

>>42754353
>says Rosemi is genuinely a great vtuber
>says Maria's voice is annoying
Maria has proper pronunciation unlike Rosemi and sounds more pleasant too. Rosemi to this day still struggles to figure out what to say to fill the air. Very apparent in collabs where she'll repeat shit others have just said and laugh.
That said, Rosemi does play more interesting games. But neither are great.

>>42767314
(You)

>>42819292
Fagelira and paragraphs upon paragraphs of cope. Name a more iconic duo.
Bro, she fucked up and gave up the game.
>we're not friends
Doesn't matter if it's true or not. She said it, and then backpedaled with a bunch of cope to couch the blow.

Whereas a vtuber who actually felt affection for their audience wouldn't ever have that thought cross their mind.
A good example is Nina Kosaka. Despite her yabs, she genuinely enjoys her audience, takes them seriously, and has nothing but nice things to say

>>42815750
>>30 minutes of cucking
>>fans get understandably mad at her
YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL

>>42826803
>Whereas a vtuber who actually felt affection for their audience wouldn't ever have that thought cross their mind.
SHE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND YOU PARASOCIAL MENTALLY ILL ANON

>>42826803
Yes the old everything that makes her look bad is true and everything else is backpedalling card. Despite the fact that years of behaviour to the contrary shows that she does indeed love spending time with her fans.

>>42809622
Now that just makes it even funnier

>>42826803
>Whereas a vtuber who actually felt affection for their audience wouldn't ever have that thought cross their mind.
Every vtuber with a significant audience knows that their audience members are not friends on a personal level in the same way someone you know one to one is. It's a self-evident truth. You cannot be friends with thousands of people you know as only a box on your screen.

>>42748951
Just 2. One is a scrawny and crazy latina girl but was corrected by a buddy that ended up marrying her and the other is a chill korean. she doesn't understand all the korean obsession from the past decade or so

>>42749379
Glad i left her althought i will miss her talking about fire emblem heroes

>>42826822
How would you describe it?

>>42827337
Holy Cope, Batman!

>>42826870
I don't need the actors to tell me that the movie isn't real halfway through the film. That's just dissonant and unpleasant

>>42762797
>She could change absolutely nothing about herself except be in Hololive instead of Nijisanji, and she'd be way more beloved here
Are you serious? If she was in Hololive her "non-binary pals" comment would make her HoloEN enemy number one.

>>42785156
She was referring to people thatd have issues with her ever collabing with Tempus which unironically yes rope yourself if you do. She stuck by some of her guns and never ended up in 1 on 1s even on their birthday call ins she just sent a drawing both times lol.

>>42823672
There is no whore in phase connect. Why you jealous/bitter/anti? You should get off computer, go to bed, wake up, find rope, and neck yourself

>>42831314
This whole thread is full of copium. I love it, look at all the seethe

>>42834185
>women aren't whores
LUMAO

>>42834185
Lumi

>>42835866
This anon is right >>42807059

imagine caring about a mongalian basket weaving forum thinks about your chuuba.

ishyddt

>>42815896
Too accurate 4 me kek.

>>42834185
>no whore in phase
>hime exists

Choose one

>>42834185
Liachama...
Just because you watched some Chris-chan videos doesn't mean you're le ebin anomalous hack

>when newfigs take shitposts to heart
ru-rumao

>>42815896
This is so hot. I'd bust all over her face and she'd thank me for it.

>>42749379
Thanks for the big rundown, this is a big text version of what we already sort of know, just more details.
She said she wouldn't do them anymore, then showed up and said fuck you all I will do what I want and got management to issue the statement for her.
But this shows just how badly it was, the smaller details of how it all happened.
I remember one of the things often said was that someone changed her mind, possibly Ame or Mori. And that sort of theory makes some sense because she had such a sudden and unexplained change of mind that diverted so much from her initial nuanced approach.
I already hated Kronii and this really doesn't change anything for me but it's interesting stuff.

>>42754353
I only watched the lazulight/obsydia era, a bit of ethyria, and barely got exposed to luxiem, and learned about iluna through third parties and at least the stuff I know aligns well with everything on this post so I'm going to assume if it's right about half of it it's probably right about the rest.
Thanks for the rundown.
You missed Nina tho.
I think Pomu and Selen are the best vtubers in Nijisanji, Rosemi and Elira are close.
If HoloEN could snatch them that would be great, but I doubt they'd leave.
Pomu and Rosemi are legit Nijifags, Elira has her entire social clique in NijiEN and Selen benefits from the freedom to collab with males without having backlash in NijiEN.

>>42762797
Don't kid yourself, HoloEN has its fair share of community hate.
Ame, Kronii and Mori, previously Kiara all get a lot of hate within the HoloEN community.

>>42815750
I actually liked Lia, I still like Lia, but the bullshit she pulled off was just retarded, gross and very hard to forgive.
Had she truly apologized I could just forgive her but she didn't.
She didn't double down on it like Ame or Kronii but she gave a weak apology and deflected it entirely.
I can at least still enjoy her content, but I don't like her as much as I used to. She came off as not appreciative of her fans and I fidn that very sad on a small vtuber like her.
Part of the charm of small corpo is the idea that the vtubers will actually care more about their audience but she treated them like a bank account.

>>42843958
>the idea that the vtubers will actually care more about their audience but she treated them like a bank account
You can do both, like my indie oshi does to perfection.

>>42749379
Understandable, she a bitch

>>42797874
>>42806384
Roastie hands typed this

>>42843790
>Ame, Kronii and Mori, previously Kiara all get a lot of hate within the HoloEN community.
Anon, this board gives hate to every HoloEN. I see hate aimed at Gura everywhere on this board for example. The thing is /vt/ is absolutely not predicative of the "HoloEN community" at all.

>>42844494
Exactly, it's just harmless shitposting. I find the people who go "you're an anti" just because the vtuber you like did some dumb shit and it got made into a meme are the most retarded posters here.

>>42749087
it wasnt and it was more than just 1 tweet, more than enough material to meme it.

>>42754353
I agree with most of this. I do like Enna (as well as Millie and Elira), but I get why some people hate her. She is genuinely abrasive, which isn't something /here/ people can handle from a woman. I also think you're a bit too hard on Vox. I would never watch him personally, but I think the way he conducts himself around female streamers is fine 90% of the time. Even when he does behave obnoxiously, its usually in response to something a female streamer did first. It's not like he's Luca, who invites himself onto Pomu's streams and shits them up.

It's sad, but Elira's reckless generosity has probably done more damage to NijiEN than any other individual factor. If she reined in her friends a little bit, all of this could have prevented.

Kyo and Uki are the biggest problem-children in Niji EN imo, but Uki is connected to Elira and Kyo has latched on to Enna (and by extension Elira).