/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I hate to admit it but it's true.

>>42678187
Trust in holojp she still has a chance to make a comeback she should make pekora her role model

>>42678187
she needs to just lean into her music more, she has one of the best voices in hololive

I miss her too, catalog spammer.

>>42678187
is she streaming?
youtube 24.12.2022
twitch last streamed 4 months ago
twitcast?
bilibili?
nicodouga?

>>42679129
Completely dead, nothing in Hololive, no twitter, no roommate account, and no Valo i heard. Maybe a new roomate account somewhere, but probably not since she now know the backlash being active on roomate but neglect Holo.

>>42678187
don't forget to buy the merch
it looks like you really love her

>>42680018 (me)
forgot link
https://twitter.com/zozojp/status/1619893167368683520

>>42680018 (me)
and this

>>42678187
this is what happens when you give a woman especially a nip woman thats early 20severything without requiring sacrifice and work. Cover has themselves to blame.

>>42680257
yea she needs a better manager who can guide her

>>42679594
>she now know the backlash being active on roomate but neglect Holo.
lol
she doesn't give a single fuck about that.

>>42679594
lmao
As long as she is still breathing, she won't stop playing Valorant or the current hot FPS games in Japan.
More than likely, she learned OPSEC better while assigned completely to no delivery roles, just like Aqua.

>>42678187
ngnl I do want her back

>>42678968
Everyone with great voice are suppressed because Suisei won't let anybody surpasses her

>>42681428
lol susei is so dogshit, i love how faggots act like shes some insane talent, shes not even a 2 octive in classical terms, she sticks to basic ass anime garbage that has to be over engineered to hide her lack of mechanics, at least most of the other holos know they arent the best, thats the endearing part, nothing worse then ppl who think they are wayyyyy better then they actually are.

>>42678187
that was must be some serious mental illness

>>42679129
Nah shes completely offline publicly
Someone said her roommate is locked in a legal battle with some psychotic stalker who antis her to hell and back whose an ex or some shit i dont know how much is true but that contributed pretty much to most of her mental breakdown
She'll be back

>>42678187
I hope ppl arent still membered to this trash heap, for their own sake

>>42681749
i will say this ive never seen the nips hate someone as passionately as they hate her. I honestly think their end game is her killing herself.

>>42681596
sure

>>42680018
Man I fucking hate つ,っ, ツ, ッ, and シ

LaCute

She wasn't real leader of HoloX anyway, entire organization is run by Lui

Is this the mandatory NijiENkek deflection thread?

>>42681596
>t.seething 2 view that couldn't get into holo

>channel has grown by nearly 30k subscribers since she went on hiatus
Is doing nothing and still experiencing growth that your average Niji would kill to experience really something you can define as a "flop"?

>>42681596
Doesn't matter, Cover has decided to fully support her musical endeavors, so they will bury other talents that might surpass her. This is also why no singing talent was accepted in later gens, despite lots of talented indie singers like Quon Tama applying.

>>42682826
>The nips
A tiny, derranged faggot force on nyfco =\= the Nips. Hell, Ayame gets 500% more shit than Lap ever has and even then it's only from a tiny subsection of schizos

>>42682826
really? I'm not familiar with the japanese fandom at all why do they hate her so much?

>>42683804
They don't

>>42683569
please link me something from any of her channels that isnt over engineered trash, that actually shows legitimate musical talent, please for someone that claims that its her passion and she spends all this time practicing, her mechanics are atrocious

>>42683843
they do you fucking eop retard, they despise her, what other holo even has a fraction of her antis, they legitimately hate her you stupid fuck.

>>42683973
Give proof then

>>42683706
lol thinking some cringe amatuer doxx site is the the only source of opposition and criticism of hololive jp, yup you are an eop retard or one of the dumb niggers who paid 15k yen for her dogshit RM asmr trash

>>42683973
Proof on claims with at least 3 cited sources?

>>42681596
This poster? Clearly a woman.

>>42684019
> AKA im a stupid catalog reader, that is too retarded to do any digging on my own, so ask for sources when i actually want to be spoonfed the discords and actually groups that know whats going on

Fuck yourself, do your own reps, its no ones job here to give you shit. You are like the same faggots in noel threads that ask for her asmr torrents bc you are too retarded to find them yourself.

>>42683938
Let's go with this first, who do you think that doesn't have atrocious mechanics?

>>42684081
So you don't have proof. Typical /vt/ anon trying to make anons hate vtubers by spamming the catalog with anti threads

>>42684096
o they all do, outside of sora who actually has some decent RM performances and some classical training. but most of them know they arent great, and thats the endearing part of hololive karaokes and lives, then you have blowhards like sui who think they are amazing and then you listen to them live and its laughable, and then you listen to her studio cuts and they are so obviously over done by the engineers to make it something that its not.

>>42683463
they had a figurehead they could lose with little to no effect on their plans. sounds like a proper secret society to me

>>42684125
keep fishing bro someone will be a good samaritan and spoon feed you.

>>42678187
yea laflop on my cock

>>42684197
Trying way too hard. Instead of astrosurfing, why don't you explain why you hate Laplus? Is she more popular than your oshi?

>>42684081
>when i actually want to be spoonfed the discords and actually groups that know whats going on
English doko?

>>42684081
>>42684171
I mean come on. Clear estrogen coming from these posts. Only women can hate like this.

>>42684233
trying for what, you unironically think La+ doesnt have some of the most dedicated anti's in vtubing to the point where even her RM accounts are straight up on lockdown, you right dude, shes so loved that shes been on a mental break for how long now? And how long will she remain silent?

>>42684306
so you wont actually engage in dialogue, you have no points to refute, you have no arguments to put forth, you have nothing except LUL YOU MUST BE WOMAN LUL H8TER LUL, useless fuck, at least engage in the discussion if you are even gonna respond.

>>42684312
Oh, you're even more pathetic than I thought. You don't hate Laplus because of anything she did, do you? You just want the boards and anons to actually matter

>>42683973
No they don't, Lapanti. Your shit is is hilariously recognizable. Nyfco has rotten your brain

>>42684390
k bro keep paying for that RM asmr i hope your 15k yen was worth it lol

>>42684004
Calm down, Lapschizo. You're going to give yourself an aneurysm.

>>42684416
you right bro shes so popular she went from the head of her gen to the dumpster to a multi month break to not even performing at her 1st anniversary with her gen, stfu, you retards actually defending this cunt shes literally the worst that vtubing has to offer and you defend her.

>>42684347
Clear emotional unbalance due to period hormonal flux. Most people just take a mydol anon.

>>42684422
Why are you talking about her RM? Just feels like an autistic tantrum at this point, sis

>>42684004
>15k yen
It's 50k actually.

>>42684470
>>42684422
>>42684347
>>42684171
>>42684081
>>42684004
>>42683706
Female posts

>>42684474
again nothing to offer, the 80iq retards on this board cant refute anything they just have 5th grade jabs, sad what this board has become actually used to have quality content and discussions now its just the same 500 retards making the same 10 threads all day sad.

>>42684512
>now its just the same 500 retards making the same 10 threads all day sad.
The irony

Kek this is one violent meltdown from the Lapanti. It will be funny if she remains on break and hits 900k subs. I can see this fag killing themselves out of autismo rage

>>42684422
I will jack off to it while you spend your free time trying to make anons hate someone you barely even care about

>>42684551
you are the same faggot that cries when members dont stream enough so its rich coming from you.

>>42684551
It's vomiting its unhinged thoughts into every post. Can't even slow down to use capitals and correct syntax. 8/10 meltdown

>>42684551
>this fag killing themselves
English very gold!

>>42684554
jacking off to an ugly nips asmr lol at least noel gives you a good view at the assets, you are a sad motherfucker

>>42684574
Damn, you reached the stage where you start to imagine every one as one person extremely quickly this time. Think it's really time you start taking those meds, before it's to late.

>>42684602
So true sister you tell em. Your so strong and brave and all your dresses fit well, you don't look like a clown when you go out on another failed date.

>>42684171
And you don't think hololive is pushing Sora? She practically got the same treatment that Suisei's get, if not more. But people still goes for Suisei.
Have you considered that maybe people have different taste in music? Not everyone really pays attention to "mechanics" these days. If you still wants to hold to your believe that those are important then its up to you, but don't expect for everyone to have the same view as you because there are other factors that make Suisei more popular as a singer.

I love Lap simply due to how much she has mindbroken this one faggot. He has literally spent 8 months crying about her endlessly both here and on /jp/

>>42678187
How is she a flop?
Unless you just mean she doesn't stream.

>>42684670
>replying to female posts

>>42684670
like what, honestly curious, bc it sure as fuck isnt her live singing,

Shit thread post lapuss.

>>42684718
Simple answer: she's more fun to watch.
That and a good enough singing talent, whether you like it or not.
If these mechanics is the only thing that matters, then Sora should've been bigger, unfortunately its not.

>NijiEN vtuber gets suspended or graduates
>NijiSis makes a Lap anti thread as a deflection cope
It's a well established pattern by now.

Honestly asking, why do JPs hate laplus?

>>42684855
Honestly answering, they don't.
>30k growth in a period where she did literally nothing

>>42684892
Glad to hear it!

>>42684855
>Uses capitals at the start of his sentence to try and hide his presence
>Forgets to capitalize her name
You really do have to try harder than that, sis

>>42684797

>>42684942
Lapluss is a cat.

I hope she puts on a 3D when she returns and has the other HoloX girls there as a fun punishment game for missing their group 3D

>>42684718
NTA and don't watch/listen to suisei but they probably just like the cut of her jib. Sorta like how more people will show up for their oshi's amateur asmr stream over some random pro.

Suisei has me convinced she's a good singer, I like her speaking voice, and she's got a great personality.

>>42684973
That's what I was thinking the return stream might be to be honest. They do that clunky intro they had to do for the anniversary, then it cuts away to her walking back to her chair and finishing the intros.

>>42680408
She needs a shock collar, this is literally the solution every time

>>42684968
Indeed. I hope she can become a tanlined brat later down the line as well. That would require then bringing back unique swimsuits though...

>>42684983
Stop coping lmao, she's good.

>>42684855
Lying about what she's doing when she's cancelling streams.
Asking people to hold her accountable if she fucks up and then telling them that she actually won't apologize for anything.

>>42681596
You can stay mad because hololive is an idol'ish company and not some opera/theater troupe. Their prowess in classical singing is irrelevant to their job.

>>42678187
Does she still streaming?

>>42684983
I think this is why I'm not too fond of western normies. When they like her personality, voice or that tomboyish attitude, they try to sell the shit out of her talent and look down on slightly lesser talented for not being as endearing as enough. I think I noticed this annoying habit harder when the gen 6 debuted. They were selling Laplus's talent over so hard while slightly look down on other fellow gen girls. It is ironic when all of them seem to be doing good number except Laplus.
>>42685816
If vtuber industry didn't exist and west still obsessed with western pop culture, you'd be like the majority of people calling Lady Gaga or Lordi great singers. I mean sure Suisei is good singer but there are definitely better ones like Chima.

>>42683430
based

>>42681596
adoschizo is that you

>>42685855
Kek it's the autist obsessed about "lying"

>>42678187
pink women influence,
no refunds
i still don't get why hololive keeps that shit?
corrupting and teaching all the stupid shit she her self does and fk it up for all of them

>>42686279
How can you say she didn't lie?
You didn't even watch her by youf own admission. Why are you so obsessed with "defending" her?

>>42686073
If chima were so great like you nigger said, she would already blow up. What is your excuse again? She already in a big company, got the same exposure, her phony cover blew up but still can’t maintain her momentum and direct people to listen to her orisong.

>>42678968
Her singing is okay at best. I do like her voice though. Too bad she's a fucking retard and not adorable retard like Aqua or Nene.

>>42687317
ok suisei has one massive fucking thing going for her, her opsec is immaculate compared to literally the entirety of the vtubing industry, even in the deepest hellholes where the doxxfags are in all the gay little secret discords, there still isnt a verifiable doxx of suisei thats ever been agreed upon, that goes along way with her allure, no one really knows who she is or what she really looks like, and faggots can sit there and say that stuff doesnt matter but we all know thats a massive lie.

>>42681596
*mogs your entire bloodline and all your singer friends combined*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGxCviYC0Jg

>>42686355
Noone said she didn't lie schizochama, it's just stupid to be obsessed with it. It's some Japanese girl that you will never know, shame she's not streaming but beyond that who gives a fuck?

>>42686073
>you'd be like the majority of people calling Lady Gaga or Lordi great singers. I
I mean... Lady Gaga IS a fantastic singer. The fact that there may be more skillful singers out there doesn't change that and you're an idiot for suggesting otherwise. Skill is not the only ingredient for success, otherwise you should be pissing yourself over why that one random opera singer (which >DEFINITELY< mogs ANY singer you have ever listened to) isn't super famous, unless your oshi is Luciano Pavarotti.

>>42688003
lol are you deaf she has to sing in low keys in the wrong octave bc she can't go above a b flat without sounding like dogshit, and live is even worse, she knows it too, shes too scared to every go full blast bc she doesn't have the skill or mechanics too, I get it we all love holos for their endearing singing, just please dont paint suisei as some maestro bc shes just not.

Cover's biggest mistake was letting the whore Labitch take advantage of Hololive and especially deceive Eroha

>>42688191
>appeared on first take twice and broke records while doing so

>>42688225
lol broke records because of her singing??? or bc shes backed by cover and has one of the biggest vtuber followings in the world?? I know its hard to rub your 2 braincells together.

>>42688191
>low keys in the wrong octave
sister is clinically deaf, that explains it.

>>42688225
As much as I don't want to agree with the other anon, TFT isn't exactly a good measure of how good of a singer someone is

>>42688191
I gotta applaud you for convincingly making suiseiantis look unapologetically retarded and jealous. Staying committed for over 3 hours and all.

>>42688314
exactly lets see her go on without her fucking avatar and see how shes received lmao

>>42688270
sure if you like singers with the range of your local church choir, suisei might as well be Mariah Carey

>>42688314
It's funny because literally no comment under those videos ever criticized the singing, only her looks at worst.

>>42678187
did she die irl

>>42688191
>lol are you deaf she has to sing in low keys in the wrong octave
She's singing it exactly on the same key and same pitch as the original.
>>42688003
Oof, goosebumps everytime on that last TOBIDASE.

>>42684470
Lol she didn't even do anything you uninformed dumbass. You seriously believe everything you read on the internet, get a life.

>>42688502
lol and the song would be infinitely better written in a higher key with a singer that doesn't have the range of your aunt in the christmas choir, that is literally the entire point of my criticism, she has bad mechanics and terrible range yet everyone here thinks shes some insane musical talents, its the same fucking retards who say gura is a good singer, from a technical and mechanical perspective you can pick suisei apart.

>>42688611
you sound extremely jealous. Maybe your oshi should be better.

>>42688553
make sure to have ur aka supa ready for her when she comes back lol

>>42688611
>lol and the song would be infinitely better written in a higher key
No it wouldn't.

>>42688191
Calm down, Oceane.

>>42688667
my oshi actually streams and has a healthy relationship with her audience im good bro, its the retards that support and defend cunts like the one this thread is made about and the like who stream less then 200 hours a year, enjoy paying for their financial security while they quite literally offer you no content.

>>42688427
I'm not saying her singing is bad, it's just that in the end this is art, and art is subjective. For me and you maybe suisei is good enough, but unfortunately she isn't good enough for that classical anon. And while we're there...

>>42688369
Why are you even here if no vtuber is good enough for you? If you're just mad because Sora's skill isn't being acknowledged, then tough luck. No matter how much you insult Suisei for her singing skills, as I said above, other factors decide their popularity in this industry. If you want to please your ear then go watch the stuff you like, why waste your time here.

>>42688611
>that is literally the entire point of my criticism
you literally said "lower keys in the wrong octave" you fucking animal. why are flips so retarded?

>>42688673
At least I can afford an aka supa, miss 2 view.

Can someone QRD what the FUCK happened to her?

>>42679129
>>42679594
>>42681749
She khs, didnt she?

>>42688716
bro shes a borderline tenor, women tenor sound like dogshit, especially in this type of genre...this isnt even a debate its a fucking fact, she has no high range quite literally none. You have no knowledge of actual music theory and are defending this girl to the death bc you jerk off to her avatar lmao.

>>42678187
dont bully my daughter wife

>>42688750
>my oshi actually streams and has a healthy relationship with her audience
don't worry, Suisei actually does too.
she's still more successful than your oshi.

>>42680257
Learn about hag supremacy

>>42688750
>while they quite literally offer you no content.
she just released an album i'll be able to listen to forever, a cute behind the scenes video for the recording of a song, a concert, two guest appearances in a music channel, announced a second weekly radio show, and became the TWO TIME MK CHAMP, i think she's past the threshold of "not giving content".

>>42688819
Menhera alcoholic who just used hololive as a stepping stone, not even a year after debut and not a lot of streams. Initially had a few antis which were okay but she ditched the holoX anniversary making a lot of holoX fans hate her. Probably what broke her. Honestly nothing of value was lost

I don't give a shit about her flop, but the question is: WHERE IS SHE AND WHY IS SHE EERILY QUIET. It's like she doesn't exist now

>>42688823
>women tenor sound like dogshit, especially in this type of genre...this isnt even a debate its a fucking fact
nothing funnier than deaf niggers who watched a single music theory video on youtube trying to dissect real musicians in a mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>42688981
She is playing valorant on a secret alt, while she gets a cheque every month from the 15k+ members she has for not streaming

>>42683938
Lol who gives a shit about "musical talent"? You're insanely naive. The only thing that matters in the music industry is marketability, you retard. Welcome to the real world.

>>42683647
Compared to her growth out the gate, absolutely. She went from the dominant force in HoloX, to being to projected to hit 1mil barely a month or two ahead of Iroha, who is 200k subs below her presently

>>42683647
Given how many resources cover spent to promote her as the new holo star, she flopped hard

>>42680960
probably not but company might raise eyebrow on customers being pissed

>>42680018
I'd buy Chloe's. What a semen demon.

>>42688991
>real musician
>Suisei

you should do stand up, youll be great.

>>42688011
I explained why she's hated you fucking retard.

>>42689244
They don't care either.

>LaFlop
Your meme doesn't make sense.
La and Flop?
I get Le and Flop (lebron james meme /sp/ keeps repeating ad nauseum) but Laflop?

>>42678187
I need some Laflop cunny

>>42678187
>best design in hololive since pekora
>doesn't stream

>>42690745
they care about every little detail because Japanese company PR

>>42681596
look at this classical music connoisseur just barging into our anime nerd treehouse.

>>42680018
no daki, no onahole, whats the fucking point.

>>42684081
tsundere ESL-kun a cute!

>>42693117
She have lifelong cock ring merchandise instead

>>42680960
>doesn't give a fuck
have to take months long mental health break, sure.

>>42678187
Cover needs to complete the La+AI before fes starts

>>42689124
Thanks for acknowledging she's only there thanks to her corpo backing and for other skills that have nothing to do with music

>>42678187
Was Kobo exposing her playing with males the final yab that did her in?

>>42696023
Nobody except this place gave a fuck about that shit. Everyone already knew she played with men months before that.

>>42683463
>Female executive takes over the evil organization as the final boss
What are some tokusatsu for this?

>>42696023
no it was Tayo1 accidentally showing their discord chat when drunk and the rrats it spawned. Having the lowest debut anniversary numbers despite getting the biggest push was just the thing that pushed her over the edge

>>42696335
How many times do you numbershits need to be told that she doesn't give a shit about numbers?

>>42696205
Retard

>>42688191
>she has to sing in low keys in the wrong octave bc she can't go above a b flat without sounding like dogshit
I have no idea what any of that means, but she sounds good to me.

>>42696335
Rrats started way before that when they followed each other around the time of a valorant lan event and Laplus wore similar glasses to him in a picture. He didn't accidentally show the discord, he just didnt care.

>>42696368
>How many times do you numbershits need to be told that she doesn't give a shit about numbers?
How would you know?

>>42696416
Prove me wrong, ENfaggot. The only reason you think the shit eater's "expose" is a big deal is because you don't know shit about JP.

>>42696461
From watching her streams, retard. I know that's completely unthinkable to people like you.

>>42696368
>muh numbershits
rent free

>>42696416
He's right anon. All the jp antis were all over her way before the Kobo shit. It was all about her roommates valorant account a few months after debut.

>>42696547
So headcanon then?

>>42696666
When you make up a narrative revolving around numbers that doesn't fit her personality at all, anyone with a brain can only come to one conclusion.
What's next? Are you going to claim you've actually been watching her avidly since her debut?

>>42696806
You're the only one posting headcanon.

>>42696809
>When you make up a narrative revolving around numbers that doesn't fit her personality at all
And what's that personality anon, the one as Laplus or the one as her roommate?

>>42696870
She doesn't care about numbers. That's all that matters for this conversation.

>>42696950
she is too drunk to care.

yooo lachads we got a general now?

>>42697086
good I was sick of holox laughing at us

>>42697086
hai hai hai hai

>>42684081
Sounds like you're just not very confident in your sources, if there are any at all.

time to end with koyo!

>>42678187
Who?

I don't know which is funnier, Lacucks who defend this, Ayame but somehow even worse, whore, or the Laplus schizo who is freaking out as if lapu killed her dog, must be that time of the month

>>42703230
You are the laplus schizo, kiddo. She is not bad or wrong in any way. Only nyfco faggots hate her.

>>42704002
>Everyone that disagrees with me is the same person!
Hilarious
Thanks for helping me choose, it was a close one, but you were able to somehow outschizod a raging lunatic

>>42704797
If you think Laplus is bad you are laplus schizo. What's so hard to understand about this? You need to be a completel insane schizo to think she did anything wrong.

>>42704865
>its good that she doesn't stream for months
Ok anon, I get what you mean, my bad

>>42704925
That's not her fault, schizo.

>>42704989
>cover banned her from streaming
Sry bro, didn't know. I just assumed she didn't want to stream

>>42704002
>>42704865
I'll probably get called laplus schizo and also get the usual "they all do it" response, but lying is very clearly wrong

>>42688818
Unlickely she is japanese not american.

>>42688611
>>42688823
This is so stupid there's no way you're serious, even more so since you presumably some amount of musical background.

>Nessun Dorma would have been way better written for a bass, but Pavarotti can't even hit an F2 what a fuckin noob.
Even classical singers change the key on pieces when they pick something outside of their vocal range. You're absolutely correct that Suisei isn't at the level of a classically trained professional, but pretending like she isn't good at all is completely disingenuous. She's in the upper tier of holo singers, and overall solid.

Speaking of which, Gura's technique may be poor, but she has the strongest pitch out of every holo I've listened to by far. Even beyond holo, her sense of pitch is very strong, better than most music students coming out of undergrad. I'd much rather listen to someone with fantastic pitch and shitty technique over someone with perfect technique and shaky pitch.

you can tell these antis are retarded because they went with "Laflop" when "Floplus" was right there.

>>42688892
your fetish is irrelevant here.

A reminder that 99% of this board is EOP
The majority of posters cannot watch JP vtubers. An even greater majority do not browse 5ch or any other JP sites that discuss their vtubers to any degree of depth.
The only reason for the almost daily Laplus bait threads is that she has a single, extremely dedicated anti schizo on this board who has made it his life mission to post these threads
This schizo antis multiple vtubers, but seems to have settled on Laplus for now. The proof is that if you mention any of his other "targets" in this thread, he will come out attacking them, often talking about already debunked rrats.
This is your public service announcement

Laplus is very hated on by nips. Denying this is just proves you’re an EOP. As of the reasons she’s hated, well, she’s done everything in the books to be massively disliked, both as a person an as an idol.
>funneling viewers to her RM.
>using her holo clout to get herself into male e-celeb’s circles and even going to irl events to meet them.
>tell gachis she won’t be playing with males, that she herself is an unicorn and that it was ok to gachikoi her only to end up becoming a party girl オフあり
>putting close to zero effort into her job as laplus while opening an absurdly expensive fantia (like thrice as expensive as Noel’s which gives you consistent and very good content)
>telling she would stop rm activities “indefinitely” to only stop them for like 2 months and during those months she still posted.
>starting a weird utaite group even though she puts zero effort as laplus and didn’t bond with any holo to this date.

There’s is more but this explains why she’s hated.
People who say she’s not hated are just either trolls or subhumans. She IS hated a lot by the nips and the fact she went from having the highest numbers on that 3D reveal to having the lowest numbers on her anniversary all this while having an amazing time slot (unlike koyori, chloe or iroha).
Keep in mind this site is not a good place to discuss JP vtubers: no one here speaks japanese. I do speak it and only come here from time to time but overall you won’t get Japanese speakers in any hololive thread nor vtuber board.
And to the anon who was saying nips want her to khs, sure her legit antis might want it both a lot people who dislike her just want her away from their oshi. Also keep in mind nips are really, really punishing: they’re not pathological enablers like westerns and that’s why you see a lot of “I’m sorry” streams whenever something happens.

>>42713240
thank you for explanining japanese-speaking anon.

>>42713240
One thing I don't understand about the Lapdefender's logic is that according to them, nips don't hate La+ yet she isn't streaming, because of the nip antis? Something doesn't add up... Which one is it? Is she lazy or do nips hate her after all?

>>42714522
There are many issues here: first, laplus fans on this site are one of the worst subhumans in this site. They just deny reality beyond possibility and even if you try to talk to them it’s no use. They don’t know Japanese and just utter random shit to enable her. I remember the saying “never play chess with a pidgeon. The pidgeon just knocks all the pieces over then shits all over the board. Those are her fans here. I’ve even talked with fandeads during last year’s disaster (I even translated some stuff from her twitcast for them) and not even them are as unhinged as these pseudo laplus fans.
Now, of course she has fans. She is in hololive. She will have fans forever even if she becomes a serial killer. That’s just how this works, but to say she’s loved is pure derangement.
What Cover did was suspending her. No matter how they phrased it it’s a light suspension because they’re afraid she might fuck up given how much shit she got on herself.
Now, addressing your questions: yes, she’s lazy but more than that is the fact she doesn’t give a single fuck about hololive. Never did actually. All she cares about is playing fps to go out with “the cool people” aka fps e-celebs. Keep in mind not even Towa is like this. She plays with males but she cares about the games and compete while also displays how she loves hololive and you can easily see how holomems love her.
Do nips hate her? Yes, a lot. She’s easily the most hated active holo along with matsuri in JP.
Nobody knows if she is mentally affected because of hololive “antis” (I’ve yet to see her being harassed. Most antis just want her out and laugh at how bad she is at best). Threats and harassment aside, she’s easily the worst holomems I’ve ever seen and even if I don’t agree with those two things, I do agree with her antis in that she’s deceitful and she doesn’t belong in hololive.
At the very least I want her to stay forever away from my oshi.

>I’ve even talked with fandeads during last year’s disaster (I even translated some stuff from her twitcast for them) and not even them are as unhinged as these pseudo laplus fans.
Out of curiostiy, you're not one of those schizos who has been attacking the Fandeads, are you?
Either shitposting about Rushia or one of those weird antis who keeps posting
>she's not your wife
in their thread on the daily, right?

>>42715428
True. Speaking as a fan of hololive.

>>42715611
Happy anniversary fandead

>>42715428
no japanese believed Matsuri's intruder excuse?

New gen when

>>42715743
Had a feeling that you had a grudge.
I'll be frank: dedicating your life to anti-ing any vtuber is an absolute waste. Spending so much time wallowing in negativity is a vile way to pass the time
Also, you're spelling pigeon wrong

>>42715428
Who is your oshi? I assume one of the Holos?

I hope she has a comeback, I'm tired of the best models going to waste

>>42715428
>>42715689
>I'm not an anti, BUT I am an anti
Lol, get a job, you clown.

>>42715611
No, I’ve never mocked them. I was in their newly created JP thread back when the whole shitfest happened and I actually was fond of Rushia because she streamed during dead hours that where really good for my time zone. I translated some stuff from her twitcasts even. The whole thing hurt me too because I respected her.
>>42715786
Her die hard gachis either believed or coped. The rest obviously didn’t believe it. Even if it were true it’s really, really hard to believe something like that given she didn’t moved from that apartment after that happened.
>>42715993
Someone from hololive JP of course. I don’t watch anything else. I’m not telling who because I don’t want people to associate her with my personal opinions on a fellow member of her company.

>>42716496
What are your current thoughts on Mikeneko/Nazuna, then?
Also, I suppose it's worthwhile asking what were your final thoughts on Rushia's incident. Do you believe that she had betrayed her gachis or not?

>>42716673
I haven’t been following her a lot recently but I do know she collabed with males and her fans were sad about it.
I honestly don’t know what to think about her anymore: she went from being the gachi queen to just kinda “forget” about it and do some weird shit involving males. We are talking about someone who didn’t even acknowledged the existence of holostars for fuck sake. It’s weird, honestly.
> final thoughts on Rushia's incident. Do you believe that she had betrayed her gachis or not?
The mfmf shit was weird although I don’t believe they lived together or were dating, there’s still something she hasn’t explained yet (at least to my knowledge) and that’s why did she ask the dramalord about mfmf’s past relationships. I remember she told she would explain everything (she apparently couldn’t because of legal stuff) but again to my knowledge she hasn’t. We have to agree asking about that stuff is weird unless you’re thinking of someone as a dating candidate: who asks about body count and shit just to be friends with someone? The only thing makes me give her the benefit of the doubt is that she’s menhera insane and she was apparently abused by an exbf so maybe she’s just legit scared about deceitful males.
Depending on that she might have deceived them. Even if male collabs aren’t cool I don’t condemn that as a betrayal (although as nasu/Mike she promised she won’t do them and still did them). The real deal is the twink shit and to this day that only thing that remains unanswered makes me doubt.
I have to say I’m happy she’s not my oshi as nowadays to stay with her as a gachi just means you have to close down the doubts in your heart and cope a lot, which ultimately is something I don’t like.

>>42678968
Her singing is mid, all she really has is some cuteness

>>42713240
she wouldn't have had as much trouble if she didn't try to get that gachi money

>>42717615
Well, she's back to promising not to collab with men because she seems to understand that her fans don't like it
It's hard for her to understand this because a lot of the Japanese have gone so far into "all affirming" her that they'll literally agree to anything. I've even seen one of her supposed biggest gachikoi outright tell her that she can have a one night stand if she wanted to (this was even weirder because it was during a conversation where she was saying that she wouldn't do something like this since it's wrong)
It's probably worth noting too that Mafu was actually friends with her abusive ex. Obviously she still has to answer a few things about her intentions there, but the way she's been acting sort of just doesn't make sense if she actually was intending to cheat on her fans.

>>42715428
>>42713240
you don't speak Japanese.

>>42718371
The whole thing is weird. To some degree you can trust her but I personally don’t like that the trust line and the cope line are kinda blurred with her.
As for her promising she won’t be collabing with males now because she knows her fans don’t like it is weird to me: did she know it already? She was the top one gachikoi holo, the one who didn’t even acknowledge holostars even though there were picks of them on stream just suddenly forgot her fans don’t like anything involving males? It’s weird. And you can justify everything with “hey, she’s retarded and menhera”, to what I agree, but (and again this is a personal appreciation) I don’t like to live my life bending stuff to justify everything someone does. She shouldn’t be doing one stuff after another to make her fans pull out justification after justification. It’s not fair to her fans.

クソスレきえろ

>>42720204
How closely did you keep up with that anyway, out of curiosity? Like did you see the response on Twitter?

>>42718356
To some degree you are right but that doesn’t save her from all the lies and all the unfulfilled expectations after Cover’s massively pushing to become the next Pekora. Her problem started there but it escalated so much it’s not even about unicorns and gachis hating her. Why do you think she went from the most viewed 3D debut to the least viewed anniversary? Of course a lot of gachis dropped her (she even acknowledged most of her viewers are school kids and at that age you are not the stereotypical money throwing gachi) but the main thing is that she lost hakooshi’s support. You don’t go from 120-130k viewers to 80k because you lost 40-50k gachikoi but hakooshi. For example, myself: I watched every single holox anniversary live but hers. And there’s a lot of people like me who don’t hate her nor anti her but just plainly don’t like her and don’t want to engage with her in any capacity or to have our oshi engaging with her.

>>42720542
I was following kinda closely until after 3 months since the shitfest. Afterwards I occasionally checked her Twitter but since she kept deleting everything and pay-walling the content I just lightheartedly checked on her by going on her threads and asking about stuff to fandeads (mostly on /jp/).
At some point I reached the conclusion it’s very unlikely she will ever address the question I asked above because honestly whatever she says it will be something you would only digest by coping. I don’t feel confortable having to justify people day and night and since she wasn’t my oshi and she wasn’t in hololive anymore I just disengaged completely.
I still lament a lot what happened and think hololive lost someone good (at least the Rushia I knew was good, leaks and all the weird shit aside).
I thought joining vwhorejo would help her (I despise the company but I thought having kson around would help her with her mental distress) but it’s just not the same. I hope the best to the fandeads but again if she were my oshi I don’t think I would have the mental fortitude to stay because it’s really exhausting to keep up with her.

>>42717615
>>42718371
Mike wanted to date mafumafu. It's so obvious and you need be completely blinded by love to deny that. She damn near spelled it out.

>>42722071
>source: I made it up

>>42722564
The source is her saying she wants to get into a loving relationship, retard. Why would she talk to mafumafu at all? Are you implying that she really did have zero friends at hololive and needed a man to have someone to play Apex with?

I’m so confused about all this shit. Does everyone here just gloss over the whole “parasocial relationship being weird” thing?

There’s just a constant back and forth about if you should love them unhealthily, or hate them unhealthily. Like there’s no “casual” option. Just two extremes.

Maybe I’m just a normie, but this shit is so odd to me. みんな沼に落ちたかなぁ〜頑張ってね!

>>42720582
The turning point is Holorust. One of the narratives is that it was created for Laplus because of the leak. Then, she had 2 streams with minimal impact and didn't care to participate in the server wipe. That server have Pekora, Miko, Suisei and Fubuki. They are arguably the most influential cast ever assembled. Laplus's action was viewed as lacking effort and enthusiasm. Therefore, the box gave up on her. I know she has motion sickness but that doesn't matter. She needs to endure it especially when her sempais grant her the chance.

>>42722905
What are you talking about? Laplus isn't hated just for "parasocial relationship" bullshit. Even with lots of people leaving her she still has a bunch of VERY forgiving fans (ironically the kind that she spoke against early on) still supporting her.

>>42680018
omg painted cunny toes i'm gonna coom

>>42723373
Even with her motion sickness she could have streamed Rust for at least an hour or two a week.

>>42681596

You:
>she has no mechanics
Vocal Coaches:
>I love her technique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ2vrS851xs

>>42722071
I didn’t deny anything. I just said there are stuff unanswered and that personally since she wasn’t my oshi to begin with I don’t need such answers. I even said the whole thing is really weird, so don’t try to frame me as someone neglecting stuff.
>>42722905
This is a western board so a lot of people here are fake otaku, mostly know as ironic weebs. When anime went mainstream a lot of these people got on the anime related boards and polluted them. If you go and hang out with Japanese fans you will quickly realize how normal it is to be “parasocial”. Even antis endorse such kind of behavior. You don’t see Japanese going on with the “muh parasocial le bad” narrative and even holomems are parasocial with their fans (polka, watame, Noel, possibly korone), some are parasocial to a lesser degree (miko, okayu, nene, kanata) and some of them are parasocial with their own oshi, like kanata. Otaku culture was and will forever be weird shit regardless of normalfags beliving they are otaku because they watched naruto and SnK.
>maybe I’m a normie
You are since you are unironically using “normie”.
>>42723373
The rust shit was started both by laplus and towa and both of them were cunts because the former played twice for like 2 hours total and the later never played and this was after one was found out joining e-celeb discords to play it as laplus and the other talked about how management blocked her from playing it in servers with random and non-holos.
Laplus motion sickness might be true but then why would she join the e-celeb discord to begin with? The point is she only cares about getting surrounded by e-celeb males who play fps. I honestly buy her motion sickness because Rust and minecraft really fucks me up but valorant doesn’t, so I share that with her.
Now, if she really cared about games she would’ve played something else and call it. If she cared about valo she would be amazing since it’s the only thing she plays, yet she’s trash; why? Because she’s only interested in the game because she plays it with people who are famous on the internet. That’s it. If she cared about hololive and her fans she would’ve done a lot of projects, collabs, get closer to holomems just like the rest of her gen did, but she didn’t; again, why? Because she doesn’t care about hololive outside of the money and the clout she gets to push her rm and getting closer to e-celebs.
I still remember there was a marine mengen where she talked about the fashion sense collab and chat told her to invite laplus and she said no. Keep in mind senchou also invited iroha to her shouwa live because she was interested in her and since they haven’t had a collab it was a perfect chance. Laplus also got forced into fubuki’s birthday stream even though she had nothing going on with anyone on that stream…
It’s amazing how much shit you can get from her. Holy shit how did this girl managed to pass the interviews? What a culture misfit she is.

>>42723744
I mean, why do fans need to be “forgiving” anyone. That’s so uncomfortable.
Just watch them if they’re interesting. I don’t care about their personal lives, at all. I don’t care what they do with the money, who they fuck, who they stream with, etc. They don’t need my permission, or my forgiveness. That shits weird. I just watch their streams, we aren’t responsible for each other lmao.

This all just feels so…sad and lonely. Like some rent-a-relationship shit.

>>42725859
towa's complaining was only because of their explanation of why she couldn't play with those people being poor/shit especially since she played with a lot of those individuals in the past, not the actual matter blocking of it, they re clarified at a later point and she understood and said nothing afterwards

>>42726186
I don’t know nor care if you’re trolling but at least regarding hololive JP the bond between holos and fans is not considered healthy by western standards. In the JP side is extremely common for fans to say their oshi “I love you” and holos also say that back to fans (for example Koyo just did it yesterday on her Twitter).
If it’s sad or whatever that’s just your thoughts on the issue. All I can tell you is that in hololive JP the bond between holos and fans is not the same bond someone like xqc has with his chat. Holos legit cry to fans because they are afraid of getting forgotten and shit like that, some of them reach the point of begging them to not leave them, tell them they love them… and no, it’s not a game, it’s not “kayfabe” and it’s not manipulation: they are weird as fuck and a lot of them are damaged to some degree hence why they do stuff like what I described.
A lot of people don’t know any of this because they barely watch streams and don’t speak Japanese to understand them. The whole thing is really, really weird by western standards and it’s mutual.
If you want vtubers casually that’s ok but don’t be dumb as to believe fans are crazy and holos are queens: both are fucked up but at the very least it’s honest.

>>42726186
I'm confused by your confusion. Have you never gotten annoyed at some streamer, decided it didn't actually matter, and just kept watching? That's being forgiving.

>>42726186
Too much posturing/10. If you didn't care about their personal lives you wouldn't be here. I've never financially supported or interacted with the twitch or reg youtubers I watch despite really enjoying their content and I don't engage with their audiences either. It's all entertainment and don't think of them outside of their respective platforms.

Ignoring how you're also in this bait thread, what threads do you normally frequent on /vt/?

>>42678968
her edited voice is good*
she's tone deaf if you heard her sing live

>>42728050
She's been on the first take and nailed it, we know that's bullshit.

>>42722905
リア充爆発しろ、カス
マジでおまえは観光客なのくせにもまだここの常連客を舐めてるのか?こんなにウザすぎ奴っしょね?人それぞれって日本人よくそう言ってるんだろね?だから、うっせえ
消えてええんよ、あと二度と戻るなと思います

>>42728310
well, before you go, let me just say thank you for telling us about the other side, even if the others don't appreciate you, i do.

>>42728523
b-but that was my first post in the thread...

>>42728778
How was i suppose to tell? we are all anons. Thank the other japanese speaking anon for me?

>>42728936
>thank him
no way, fuck that normalfag

>>42729151
To be fair, this is 4chan. How normal can they be?

>>42728936
I’m that anon. The anon who wrote in Japanese above is not me.
I’m also glad. It’s really hard to just talk here without people coming and trying to derail the conversation even when you’re just talking about stuff that happened.

>>42729277
Normalfaggy enough for them to fuck off with healthy relationship ゴミ
>>42729354
And also my oshi is LITERALLY my girlfriend and if she cheats on me I'll fucking stab her

>>42729577
Anon, I’m the anon who said he speaks Japanese and I’m also gachikoi. Why would I say anything to you for feeling that way?

>>42729876
"healthy"ガチ恋って何?

>>42726186
She asked to be held responsible if she ever fucks up. She said she doesn't want her fans to just uconditionally nod and say "good job" at everything she does.
Nothing about that is weird and ironically enough you have more in common with the "parasocials" than you think.

>>42730016
I never claimed I’m healthy. I do believe I regulate my feelings good enough to not go full schizo though.

>>42730432
Oh nvm I know who you are

>>42678187
The herpes have taken over

>>42730643
I doubt it since I barely come to this site. But anyways try to behave regardless of how you feel toward your oshi. Being gachikoi doesn’t mean you can’t behave. And if you’re gachi of some JP learn Japanese in case you haven’t yet.

>>42688949
what do you mean, she's the best entertainer in her gen.

>>42732318
and? she's maybe the entertainer in her gen but she didn't really contribute anything to hololive.

>>42732318
it doesn't matter how entertaining she is if she saves most of it for her rm. I want to see her interact with holos not the fps shitters she likes

>>42678187


"Gura Killer" curse strikes again. Shame since she had the most anticipation out of all of holox, only to shit the bed in the end.

She was 19 when she debuted. Of course she won't like vtubing when she wants to roast it up.

>>42713240
But I thought JP girls could do no wrong and weren’t whores like EN?

>>42737210


The race is not always to swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that's the way to bet.

>>42736642
japs can start legally drinking at twenty?

>>42742484
Yes but she was doing it way before that.

We can all agree though that La+ easily has the best model in HoloX right?

>>42696335
>>42711364
it is funny how the anti posts here were just blatant mistranslations.

>>42745213
Yeah in reality she did nothing wrong and isn't hated by more than one guy. She actually had the most populr anniversary stream.

>>42722723
>"The source is her saying she wants to get into a loving relationship, retard"
>anon distorts a singular sentence into whatever he wants
The sentence is basically just her going "I'll have a normal love life someday...", in the kind of tone meant to segue into another topic, which is exactly what happened

>>42744597
I like her model, but lui and Chloe are more my speed.

>>42745530
It was literally pert of her "report" about her relationship with mafumafu. There was no "another topic" that followed.

>>42678187
La+ is weird in a bad way.

Lui got the same energy as Botan where it's comfy streams with a mature lady who just wants to have fun playing games and feels extremely genuine. Can even cross language barriers.
Chloe is a natural money maker cause she played with open cards since her debut so nobody can even pull a rrat how greedy she is. Plus, she knows how to juggle between brat and protecc.
Koyori is a streaming monster and while I havent seen the stats in a while, there was a point she was crushing everyone in how many streams she does.
Iroha is very basic but sometimes people just enjoy a girl who isn't out there like the others and appears more down to earth.

What does La+ have aside from appealing to cunnyfans?
Her entire gen is skyrocketing past her in what they do, her gimmick got old very fast and she ain't exactly very active.
I do believe HoloX was a very powerful gen, Lui is fantastic, Chloe knows how to present herself, Koyori is a monster and Iroha excels in being basic.

But La+ doesn't do much and you basically just hear bad things that it sounds like being in Holo got to her head.
There was also that one time where she brought her actual roommate just to prove to chat it wasnt her boyfriend.
She doesn't know when to shut up and just needs to have that last word in proving people wrong. That is pure egocrap and nobody likes that and I am sure management didn't either.

>>42746971
Laplus had great chat interactions, and you're a catalogfag

>>42678187
Already forgot about her lol. Rarely watch any holox besides Chloe.

>>42723373
>>42724762
>motion sickness
There are several chuubas I watch who have motion sickness and they take medication to make it bearable, so seeing how she usually doesn't stream for long hours, with a bit of effort she could play the game on occasion
Also, people who have motion sickness usually can't handle high velocity fps games like Valorant, which is kind of ironic

Laplus needs to make a comeback stream before valentines to milk some $ then stream some weird lovey dovey shit during valentines to milk more gachis. She can have a break again later just to make vt seethe

>>42746971
>Chloe is a natural money maker cause she played with open cards since her debut so nobody can even pull a rrat how greedy she is
Don't even trying to antagonize you but you talk exactly like a EOP clipwatcher. The whole "I love money" thing was just her playing it up for the laughs. She was having fun. Everyone loves money but she's way more than that joke and to even bring it like as if it were a personality treat of her just shows you don't watch her and don't understand her.
You sound exactly like the people spamming "friend" in Fubuki's chat or "boing boing" in Rushia's chat when she was in hololive.

>>42678187
sugoi

>>>/jp/42517256

>>42678187
funny

kek