/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

seek mental aid
you're not correct in the head

>>42580363
>Wasn't Coco already made example?
true it look like they forget china won

Ogey

gee i wonder how much she pays mituki for her L2D designs

>be rich as fuck thanks to hololive
>"lol i pay 700$ for art no big deal, just stop being a poorfag lmao"
wtf is wrong with her?

>artist paying another artist for their work's worth
ok

>>42580363
>complaining about art prices
Use AI you cheapo. You literally live in an age where you have that as an option

Some people have jobs, money and can afford this hobby. I know brown seamen don't understand this.

>>42580363
based Lofi

>>42580363
>By doing this, she provoke million of pajeets to attack Hololive

>700 bucks for a comission of ONE character
no fucking way does that take longer than 6 or 7 hours to draw, wtf is that hourly rate.

>>42580363
It's Iofi, no one cares

>>42580363
based lopi

>>42580579
>just stop being a poorfag lmao
Yeah, and? Maybe you should get a job instead of scrolling twitter and 4chan all day.

good on her, if you're happy for the commision that you decide to pay for, then the price is irrelevant

There's commissioning Pochi for $700, then there's commissioning XxX_SonicInflationFan_XxX off DeviantArt for $700.

>>42580363
relieved she didn't defend her own art being worth 700 dollars, that would have been hard to justfiy

>>42580363
Most incoherent post I've seen today. Congrats. She's just saying you have the right to charge whatever you want to charge for your art. Why devalue your time, effort, and skill to be more accessible to poorfags?

>>42581248
most drawfags don't get 40 hours of week of paid commissions so 100/hr isn't that great

>>42582976
because the artists are also the poorfags

>>42582879
KEK

>>42580579
The artist with an inflated ego is not a meme

>>42582976
You have the right to do so, but if there isn’t demand at the price it is a poor decision. Supply and demand influence price.

>>42582879
This, she don't even charge that much lmao

>>42582976
If someone is willing to pay that price then more power to them.

>>42580363
A 700$ art comes with a blowjob or what?

>>42583210
And if someone is willing to pay that price, wouldn't that prove there is a demand for their ability to that point?

>>42583210
this, and its laughable that artist that are already deep in the industry/overall popularity are boasting that it's ok for EVERY artist to charge outrageous amounts for commissions. good luck as a sub 1k followed artist trying to sell your flat colored basic artstyled drawing to people for more than 50 bucks lol

>>42583210
>>42583252
Right, it's up to the artist to factor in demand. This is pretty apparent to anyone doing freelance/commission work.

>>42580363
Please learn English before you post here or you will embrace you and your whole race.

>>42583385
yeah but you're a lot of hypothetical layers in... please be intellectually honest about the fact that these discussions are vastly being held by both broke artists and their broke audiences

Real question is how much for a Iofi buttjob?

>>42582638
False equivalence, a job won't make you rich.

>>42582976
>>42583385
>FUCK YOU COMMIE YOU WILL PAY 700 DOLLARS FOR MY ART
>IF ONLY RON "COMMIES GONE" REAGAN WAS STILL PRESIDENT
Lamo the internet and the massive porn drawfag industry have made artfags so fucking mental.

>>42583524
I mean sure but loafy can afford to commission those prices. As a broke artist you just have to gitgud to be able to justify your abilities at that price point, and as a broke commissioner you have to accept that not every artist will be in your budget.

>>42582638
Average monthly salary in her country is $800

As someone who has paid thousands of US dollars for art commissions - and who has now spent more than a thousand dollars on writing commissions - you simply have to accept that the price is set by the artist and is usually non-negotiable, and you have to respect it.
The fact is, a lot of professional artists do not rely on commissions for a living and in fact do it on the side. When they set such a huge price tag, they're not setting it with the commissioner in mind - they're setting it thinking, "this is the baseline for what I'm willing to spend my free time on." They're throwing out a hook into the water for some extra side cash and if there are no bites, it doesn't matter to them because they're unwilling to spend their precious free time on extra work for any less.
So when you criticize their price points, be aware that you're probably just not the target audience for what they're selling.
Now, on the other hand, if someone sets a massive price point and then actively COMPLAINS about not receiving any commissions... then feel free to fire away with the criticism cannon, because they're most likely tall poppies in need of a good trimming.

>>42584144
>has paid thousands of US dollars for art commissions
Furrychama? I know those fuckers are loaded, I remember some faggot whining that he wanted to do good commissions, but he had to accept furry ones because no matter what price he says, the fuckers always pay.

>>42584144
Yeah that last bit is a big problem with artists overestimating their abilities and their demand

>>42583912
well yeah, but that's exactly why it's a shit idea for loafy to say it. She's scolding her audience for not being about to pay ridiculous prices for a frivolity they can't afford, and that the market is oversaturated with.

>>42584211
Nah, not furry, although a fetishist none the less. Perhaps worse, though I always make sure that who I'm commissioning is comfortable with what I ask beforehand, laying out a complete plan and noting that I'm willing to compromise in order to make them more comfortable.

It's a business and you're paying for a product, but artists and writers are humans too. It's best to make sure the experience is smooth and pleasant so that an amicable relationship can be formed.

>>42583038
Plus you gotta deal with some really weirdass people asking for fucked up shit.

>>42583038
Not to mention that you have to add price of equipment, workspace, software etc. in there too to make a living

There are artists that do full body for $50, just buy what you can afford. I'm sure there are some out there that want $1000 and some furrys that pay it.

>>42580363
>Did she know that the current trend is dunking on drawcels as much as possible?

Seething NAIgger. You will never be an Artist.

>>42584482
Are you the Wonder Bread man?

>>42580363
Google says in 2021 the average income in Indonesia was $10k....

>>42582846
/thread

>>42583750
Genuinely can't tell what point you're trying to make. How is it communist to buy or sell an expensive commission? These are explicitly functions of capitalism. Please take your meds.

>>42583038
ngl, I of didn't think about that, I feel fucking stupid.

>>42582976
your art is worth what others are willing to pay for it. if you are setting it at 700 and there is no bite, then yea, set it lower. you are free to set the price whatever you want but you are delusional if you think everyone is on the same level skill-wise.

>>42585026
They usually charge a premium for that. It's one of the reasons regular artists who don't like furry will still draw it, there's a lot of rich furries who will think nothing of spending way above average prices for commissioning their fetish.

>>42580363
I commission art quite frequently and I cannot tell you how often artists overvalue their work. It's always 70-100$ for a fullbody regardless of if it's shit or not.

The best artist I ever had sells his work at around 30-60$ depending on the detail and he makes a fucking killing off me because I'm a repeat costumer. Better to earn 50$ 3 times in a month, than 100$ once.

A lot of artists are fucking annoying. They will swear on god it's a minority but I have worked with too many to think otherwise.

>>42584144
why the fuck do you like bread so much?

>>42583038
most drawfags should get a stable job and do commissions on the side until they can switch over.

>>42583210
and this is the comment that will make artists really upset for some reason. The idea that just because you price is 100$ doesn't mean anyone is going to pay 100$

>>42582846
This.
Artist price depends on their fame and skill.
Iofi is just retarded.

>>42586153
It's a simple concept, but unfortunately some artists can't see past their ego's and that's why you get to see this discussion come up again and again

>>42585288
Hah! No, I'm not. I'm nobody special, just someone interested in rather nasty commissions of particular beautiful anime girls in compromising situations with tentacles or insects in their breeding cycles. Not a furry or the bread guy, but a freakshow all the same.

>>42586992
>or insects in their breeding cycles
It must be a bitch finding people to draw that.

>>42580363
Do people really sell full body and colored arts for 100 bucks? I never do commission but I feel like 50 is the most I would charge for art like that, regardless of skill level.

>>42587115
People sell sketches for 100 bucks, anon. Sometimes even euros.

>>42585977
Artists also criminally undervalue their work. Your very small sample of the art market isn't indicative of anything except you found one guy who also undervalues his time, work and money and you hit that well as often as you can before it dries up.

Drawfag who wanted to make a career out of it here.
the truth of the matter is that trying to make a living out of it is simply impossible now, the market is oversaturated and as several Anons here pointed out most people who want to commission something are broke too.
Over time I've seen that unfortunately to succeed being an artfag is by making your name more famous than your own art and this is only achieved by chasing fads, networking or in desperate measures leeching off someone more famous, I think that's why there is so much drama in the online art scene, at least on Twitter.
Even finding a niche to establish yourself in isn't that easy as most of even the smaller ones are already covered.
Andy Warhol was right, the key to success as an artist is knowing how to sell your name and not so much how good your skills are.

>>42587082
To find an artist with an art style that I like and within my price range? I've never had a great deal of trouble on the art side. I'd say I've had a lot more difficulty on the writing side of commissions than art-wise.

A lot of people make clear what they will and won't create on their commission sheets, so as long as you're polite, you'll find yourself in good company. Many creators are perverts too, you see, two of whom I commissioned even shared similar interests to mine. I spent a lot of money on those two.

Most of my commission hunts have been on deviantart through commission groups and the like.

>>42587115
Yes. $100 is fairly standard, too. However, you can find many artists eking out a living in poorer countries who charge significantly less for their talents. I typically pay well in excess of what they're asking, because not only does it mean my money'll be going to a good place, it also means that they're more willing to work with me on changes and variant options.

>>42587440
Just start drawing porn art commissions, it doesn't matter how shit your art is, people will spend disgusting amounts of money on their fetish. It worked with one of my friends

>>42583038
Most drawfags should try to get a job then.

>>42587575
Exactly this. If you're desperate for success, you need to service the depraved. Typically we're good business because there are few people willing to cater to us. It's not an untapped market, but it's nowhere near as saturated as the vanilla market is.

>>42587115
Artist will sell fucking sketches for 50 to 100$ Anon.
Artist have overinflated egos.

>>42585977
This. Same for me. I often see bad art being sold for much higher than it should be.

>>42587802
That is a cheap price especially if the artist is good. People paid 5-10$ subscribe to patron just to see the sketch to learn. If they have 50+ subscribers in patron, selling sketch for 100$ is generous

>>42583506
>Please learn English
>or you will embrace you and your
Anon please

>>42587531
I happen to share the same insect breeding fetish as you.

I hope to eventually get you to commission art off me, but where can I drop you a line?

>>42580579
Art is a luxury and there's plenty of artists in plenty of price ranges.

>>42588494
Do you have an example portfolio of your artworks? Twitter, pixiv, et cetera? I can drop you a line there. If not, then I can set up a burner e-mail. Though I have in fact collaborated with three individuals straight from 4chan, I'm not enthused by the idea of putting it down to an unproven artist due to the fact you may be lying.

>>42587586
>>42586115
>get a job
They are able to get people to pay absurd amounts of money for what they do.
There is no argument for why they should get a job, thus working more for the same money.

>>42580363
Yopi art police strike again.

>>42588658
Understandable, just look for (or archive search) a cryptic post in /wvt/ in a few weeks about insect fetish breeding porn or something.

>>42589543
You're asking me to monitor a thread I don't frequent for an ambiguous amount of time here; I'm not going to do that.

Here. Drop a line to this e-mail: tofeye6154@crtsec.com
I'll be monitoring it for another few hours. If you consider me equally untrustworthy - of which I don't blame you for - then unfortunately we'll be at an impasse and you'll have to simply hope I come across your artist profile at some stage.

>700 AMERICAN DOLLARS for a piece of DIGITAL art
AI might not be that bad

>>42589543
Send an e-mail to burner1231985@outlook.com. Ignore the deleted post, I forgot temp mails obviously don't have passwords. Major brain fart.

>>42584142
You retard. The minimum wage in Brazil is 200$ a month. You really think Indonesia is 4x better? Get real

can we all agree that it's so insanely fucked up that talentless retard hacks of ID1 are still being given money. how is iofi STILL in hololive.

>>42581166
That probably explain this board right now with all of the harry potter game shit threads.

>>42580505
won what? you chinese fag should go back to eating every animal.

>>42588821
maybe read the thread before posting
>They are able to get people to pay absurd amounts of money for what they do.
the whole point of this thread was that most couldn't and iofi is an idiot.

>>42590183
The same reason Sora still is: they were here first

>>42580363
If I'm not willing to spend 100 dollars on a full body it's because the artist isn't good enough to be charging 100 dollars. I'll gladly pay that much for some quality titties. Bad artists need to get good if they want to get paid well instead of charging 75 dollars for shit that wouldn't even sell well on Fiverr.

>>42580363
It is honestly a mystery how she hasn't graduated yet.
>artist vtuber
>can't draw
>alien vtuber
>not interested in sci fi
>is a bitch to her coworkers
>is a bitch to the broad hololive fanbase
>disrespects her own fans constantly
>can't sing
>can't dance
>barely streams
>barely makes money
>spends her base allowance she gets from hololive on overpriced commissions that no one appreciates or sees
How the fuck is she still here but Sana left, this is a curse

>>42589935
Stop being a fucking moron. That's a reasonable price for a piece of artwork for an AAA company that has all registered all legal copyright on it and can use it to market it for profit everywhere and as much as they want.
Also as a fun fact, AI created stuff cannot be copyrighted under American copyright law.

>>42585026
Anon that literally no longer matters after your first degen commission, it's like seeing a dead body, after you see one the next doesn't really affect you anymore

>>42591446
And you are also retarded, read the fucking article, it hasn't gone to court yet, no cases involving AI art have been ruled on in the US yet.
The United States Copyright Office is arguing that the creation of protections has specific terminology involving "hands on authorship."
In a court, it can be very well argued that finely tuned AI is just as hands on and requires an expert in order to get equal results, it's a slam dunk argument when you consider the average person that tries to use AI can't even get hands to look right but any regular user can.

>>42591446
>AI created stuff cannot be copyrighted under American copyright law
i can hire some third worlder to fix the hands and no one will be able to tell if it's ai or not. however, in a year, ai art will be indistinguishable from meatbag art.

>>42591446
>this digital art that I used someone else's brushes and textures for is my IP guys
>but that AI art that uses many different peoples brushes and textures is not your IP
Uh huh, this is why digital artists are jokes

>>42580363
While i can respect the hustle, i am absolutely never paying people over 50 dollars for a commision, no matter the situation. I'm too much of a poor motherfucker for that, so lower prices do heavily affect your chances to get commisions.

>>42591446
You know you can train an ai on microsoft paint artwork and it would be completely okay to copyright it, right?
Every single digital artist that keeps attacking ai doesn't realize they are on a house of cards, imagine if your art studio program required you to accept them having partial ownership and control of your drawing because you are using their tool assisted software, arguments that go after ai can destroy digital art

>>42591380
Sana don't have a backbone like she has.

>>42592944
https://streamable.com/87iwv8
I laughed

>>42580363
kek, poor fags btfo

>>42592259
the brushes and textures are almost always used with permission, quite literally licensed the same way the the app you use to draw it on is. Are you being disingenuous on purpose or did you not know this?

>>42593306
Permission is not the requirement for copyright protections, this isn't even the case.
The case is whether or not human hands are being involved in unique creation of AI art.
To further dunk on you, did you ask that pig or horse for permission to use it's bristles for that physical brush to paint?
How could you claim you had ownership of that art piece without using your own hair for a brush?

Poorfags, arsfags and SEAniggers are seething hard rn

>>42589538
Why is it whenever art comes up she has to throw a tantrum

>>42593524
>To further dunk on you, did you ask that pig or horse for permission to use it's bristles for that physical brush to paint?
this seems more like a dunk on yourself

What's the big deal here?
Why not just find cheaper artist?

>>42596390
>What's the big deal here?
Holo giving her take on twitter is always a big deal.

>>42593524
you really believed in your head this made you look smart

>>42596390
Iofi has some weird antis

>>42598036
the only people that pay any attention to her lmao

>>42580363
For $700 you'd better be given the rights to use it for commercial purposes.

Why did Iofi commission an artist instead of drawing the picture she wanted herself?

>>42600314
because she is absolute shit at drawing. I wouldn't even call it being shit at art it's below calling it art.

>>42583038
most drawfags take months to get out 4 fucking drawings. if they worked the same amount of hours as a normal full time job, theyd make more money than average.

>>42600475
there is not nearly that level of demand except for the top like 0.01% of artists.

>>42580363
She made a blanket message of encouragement to freelance artists. She's a good person.

>>42595322
Artfags gotta artfag

>Iofi is the living embodiment of NO LOWBALLS I KNOW WHAT I HAVE
All she needs is a pair of obnoxious wraparound sunglasses

>>42580363
I'd want to see who they're seething at for selling a "100$ full body" art. There are a lot of 4digit follower artists who overprice, yes. But if someone like Kawaisaw opened comms, you best be sure id pay like 300$ for a full body uncolored sketch. It all depends who you buy from. I wouldnt even pay 50$ to some artists and I end up splurging close to 1000$ a month on comms from some artists, each.

>>42580363
I hate that the reality of artist is that their popularity matters more than their actual skills.
As someone who studies art myself, I have seen multiple artist that draw some real mid level shit and still make more money or get more Likes in their arts than other artist with higher skill level.
Meaning if you have a big following on your art accounts, you can easily charge 100 bucks or more and it will sell just fine.

>>42580363
If your shit isn't selling it's too expensive. If you're getting more customers than you can handle it's too cheap.
I'm a genius. Please clap.

>>42580579
Go seethe on reddit. You'll fit right in with the other deadbeat commies. Try getting a real job.

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