/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

holowhore are much worse

ok

>>42503685
Hololive should copy NijiEN's private server like they always do, coz their chemistry is atrocious, like they should all just go indie fucking sololive

ethyria was a fucking mistake

The story of NijiEN is like this.
>first 2 waves are hired as the same batch, debuting at separate times
>They trying to copy Hololive by acting very seiso and pure
These were the legendary "lazusydia" days that drew a lot of ex-hololive fans into Niji. The girls had very good social interactions, would freely join each other's VC, and had lots of fun times messing around on stream. It was spontaneous, charming, and felt special. The best of time to be a nijiEN fan.
>then Ethyria debuts
>debuts aren't advertised well, get low views (and shark streamed over them rip)
>this leaves the Ethyria girls in a desperate scramble for numbers, start trying to leech any way they can
>start popping into VC calls, not to have fun with friends, but to leech popularity for themselves
>social atmosphere is becoming less friendly
But things can't get worse than that, right?
>Luxiem debuts
>debut streams are surprisingly weak, but quickly gain a following on Chinese social media and their popularity explodes
>start bringing in so much money it's unbelievable
>the entire nature of the fanbase changes, from ex-hololive fans, to fujos
>because of the lingering open-VC culture, the boys start randomly joining the girl's streams. This pissed off the male fanbase, because every time they'd try to watch their oshi, a male would join the stream and start talking about his dick
>Niji ends open-VC forever
Seeing the success of Luxiem, Niji changes their business strategy. Instead of trying to scoop the North American market, they'll double down on China. It makes sense, especially because Hololive is banned in China, so it's just free money.
>Noctyx debuts another wave of male alents. Enormous debut numbers, but a very weak roster of talents leaves them underperforming
>at this point Ethyria staring at Luxiem's numbers and licking their chops.
>Decide to abandon all principles and start leeching off the boys.
>Reimu forced a ship with Vox, which he played along with out of sympathy for her awful numbers.
>Nina joined the Luxiem offcollab and almost every stream of hers included the boys, resulting in an absurd number of subscribers (#1 for a while) but low viewers
>the other Ethyria girls become noticeably less seiso. Enna starts acting like a cunt, Millie starts becoming more lewd and unhinged.
>these changes start to infect Lazulight and Obsydia too, Pomu starts hanging around Luca all the time and becomes much less seiso than before. Does her infamous Pufferfish collab which drove away a lot of original fans and severely hurt her hololive appeal
Then Nijisanji decides to debut their first mixed-wave. The unfortunate result was ILuna, which was filled with normalfags.
>At this point, Kyo messages Enna on discord and they become friends (or more than friends perhaps)
>Their first collab together was so popular, they become inseparable. Start visiting each other's streams all the time. They do more collabs and each time get huge numbers.
>Millie is missing out on the leeching, so she starts trying to create ships with Luxiem members.
>Elira does her offcollab with Shu in a love hotel. Doesn't hurt her too much but becomes infamous with japanese fans.
In a later collab, all the Ethyria girls talk about how glad they are for these changes, how dropping their seiso act felt soooo good. They even said that they hoped more change would be coming soon. For this reason, let it be known forever that Ethyria is the whore wave. Meanwhile the Hololive girls are looking at the male attention Nijifems are getting and feeling jealous, pushing Holo management to debut males of their own.
>XSolei debuts next, going for a Kpop appeal. Niji has completely abandoned the Western market at this point, hires a bunch of ESL's that stream in the Asian timeslot.
>Now Ethyria decides they want to break more boundaries. Enna invites Kyo into her bedroom and they do an NTR offcollab flipping off her fans and calling them cucks.
>Several of the females are openly flirting with the males or trying to start ships to leech popularity, Ethyria leading the way of course.
>people speculating that Pomu and Luca will offcollab soon.
At this point, the remaining ex-holo fans in Niji are looking at each other nervously, wondering how much worse this is going to get. A few of them start an aggressive shitpost campaign to push back the degeneracy and make a place for male fans in a thread which had been overrun by women. The /nenfem/ thread was created, Ethyria was called out for being the whores they were. The Luca copypasta was pasted. Enna's reputation was permanently obliterated.

The struggle continues. Between the original Lazusydia fans, who remember day when NijiEn was special. And the disgusting fujos, and their Ethyria whores, desperate to push the branch into full-on degeneracy.

tldr:
Lazulight+Obsydia = fantastic, but being tainted by Niji culure
Ethyria = whores and leeches

>>42503685
Damn, doomposters thought Nina would be an issue but she has been the most behaved thus far.
Millie and Enna are part of Elira's bitch clique looking like what Michaels did in WWE in the 90s whereas Reimu is attentionwhoring so hard that she even interrupts a Date Roleplay stream.

>>42503814
>>42504060
>holo
Rent fucking FREE

>>42504245
Yeah, basically that's the timeline. Might as well ctrl+s this post for historical purposes, cause that's where we stand this far.
I'm just gonna follow Selen until the next big corpo pops up, and then follow her reincarnation into said corpo

>>42504358
Kys holointroverts

>>42503685
Ethyria and the succeeding waves after them ruined Nijien.

>>42504245
This is pretty much an accurate timeline about NijiEN.

>>42504245
As an actual holo fag it gladdens me to see you contrarian fuckwits that jumped to Nijien get burned this hard. The rest of us told you it was Manjisanji but did you listen? Nope. I respect the sisters enjoying their blowjob asmr more than you idiots still trying to squeeze holo juice out of the niji rocks

ETHYRIA YEAH!!!

>>42504245
true and that’s pretty true. I mean, that’s true. that’s pretty true. that’s fuckin true

>>42504245
This seems more like Luxiem is what truly ruined Nijisanji (which is kind of obvious) and changed its direction.

Ethyria may have been a particularly terrible gen but let's not forget that most of them were literal fucking nepotism hires by that bitch Elira, and Finana is just as bad Enna/Millie.

>>42504245
Damn, now i feel bad for Nijisisters...

>>42503685
>and Hololive
You tried.

>>42504781
Bro you niggas ain't faring much better lol
>Gura
Died from vax/MIA
>Ame
Just sorta faded from the spotlight
>Kiara
Still has an ugly voice
>Ina
Right, she's around... doing things... I'm sure...
>Mori
Representative of yab for Holo

>Irys
Resting on her laurels from a brief bit of popularity

>Kronii
Le depressed nihilistic cynicist
>Fauna
She's cool
>Bae
Ugly voice
>Sana
Ugly voice. Also graduated
>Mumei
I don't have enough data on her, as she never speaks up.

>Male waves
So much for walled garden. Your english branch has turned into a hackneyed, ripoff NijiEN.

At least HoloJP is still good though

>>42504245
>They trying to copy Hololive by acting very seiso and pure
I missed the stream where one of the holoEN girls compared the sound of stirring cup noodles to what it sounds like when she masturbates, a month after she debuted. Can you post timestamp?

>>42506388
Lazuniggers like to pretend Finana doesn't exist

>>42504245
There's a difference between "acting" seiso and just not being a trashy piece of shit. I think a lot of NijiEN fans get that confused. I think it's what happens when you hire koreans and whites versus a bunch of SEA people for your EN branches.

>>42504781
This so much. The contrarian ex hololive fans who latched onto NijiEN in the beginning deserve all of this. We tried to warn them that males are the bread and butter of Niji. Anybody who has even seen a minute of NijiJP could have seen this coming from a mile away. They fucked around and found out you could say. Just swallow your pride and come back to Hololive.

>>42504607
how is this an insult whorextroverts

>>42503685
"You make a clique and become based. I do it and I become unpersoned. That doesn't seem fair."

Imagine going to watch a njisanji branch and think males wont be a thing. I bet 95% of you complaining on this thread didnt watch nijisanji before and thats why you are like this

>>42504245
We told you to fuck off right from the beginning and look what happened

>>42504245
Bros... I'm terrified HoloEN will become like this.

>>42507674
NijiJP guys aren't such turbo faggots

>>42505833
This anon wanted to shitpost but also show off he was a newfag for some reason

Let's all just relax and listen to enner asmr

https://files.catbox.moe/ifh2xi.mp4

>>42503685
Everyone knew the cliques were coming. Just like NijiJP, NijiEN has grown too large. They're competing over the same scraps.
Expect the EN cliques to be way more vicious and underhanded than the NijiJP cliques. I expect some fucked up shit to surface int he near future. Yugo might have been the first victim.

>>42506388
Finana doesn't exist.

I only watch Pomu, Rosemi and Selen and close the stream when I hear an other voice that isn't Pomu, Rosemi or Selen.

>>42513131
The Secret GC stream already showed how vicious they are behind the scenes, not sure how things can get any worse.

>>42508460
It already has enjoy your brotubers

>>42506388
>>42506586
Finana was always an outlier and consistently had the lowest subs and views among Lazulight.

>>42504245
> Ethyria girls talk about how glad they are for these changes, how dropping their seiso act felt soooo good.
This is exactly what fascists have been saying all along. Women are INCAPABLE OF kindness. It's always an act.

>>42507021
>Just swallow your pride and come back to Hololive.
So you are just begging at this point, huh, pathetic, never show mercy.
Everyone that has a mental illness where they think streamers are more than entertainers should suffer

>>42504545
Selen is the only streamer I have ever been able to watch play Apesex.

>>42507021
>>42504781
Most of us moved on or were since the start of nijiEN also watching other small corpos. You are still stuck in the no streams company. I firmly stand by my """contrarian"" stance of watching people that stream. Yes, nijiEN went to shit, I still have the jewbas, and a pretty big collection of indies that I still consider better than anything HoloEN has right now.

>>42503685
Fucking based, I love Ethyria

>>42508460
That’s why Gura is so important to have on the None male collaber side.

>>42513668
Get off the high horse. You watch femboy avatars.

>>42513651
lmao pomu was the one with the lowest numbers in early nijien

>>42503685
Dont care about any of these except
>get away with bullying their genmate Nina simply for not being part of their ebin clique
Which is completely justified

>>42513651
At the debut she actually was bigger than Pomu presumably because she attracted zoomers with the peepee-poopoo humor but they didn't stick around (and then she decimated her fanbase entirely)

Pomu was the runt of NijiEN for a long time and people unironically doomposted about her, only when Obsydia debuted and Petra became the ultimate flop was she not the least popular anymore.

Not sure how the fuck she managed to claw her way to one of the top spots, but bravo.

>>42513651
That's not true. Pomu's subs were in the dirt for like 6 months after she took her surgery break, Finana was ahead of her that whole time.

>>42504245
Thanks for the insightful commentary from someone who always hated them but never left for some reason

>>42504245
Timestamps for these would be nice if they happened

>>42514339
I seriously wonder how a Nijinig who only wanted "HoloEN but less autistic" could have tolerated a transformation like that and never jump ship, not even when their oshis are getting fucked on stream by men who debuted 2 weeks ago.

>>42514339
Drama is more addicting than "content".

>>42514520
So much of their culture is owning incels but they are only proving incels right: women are horrible and cannot control themselves without male guidance.

>>42507021
>>42507674
Don't bring nijijp into this faggots, the majority of them doesn't pull the degenerate shit en does. There are mixed gender collabs but there's much less (barely any) flirting and overall degeneracy.

>>42504888
Luxiem saved the branch from irrelevance if it wasnt for them evwn lazy and obsydian would be 3 views.
If anythung it was the girls who ruined what luxiem could have been since they killed what coukd have been a tight gen unity and group by doing cliques with them

>>42514041
the only male i watch is Kuzuha, i also watch hololive, nijisanji and indies. but you are the pathetic that got called out and gave me a (you)

desu I just tune in for Nina and occasionally Sellen and some of the boys. Ike is kinda nice on occasion.

>>42514856
>memememe
Who gives a shit. You watch avatars.

>>42514819
use spell check next time mr. esl

>>42514070
>>42514143
Only in subs. Pomu wasn't far behind Elira in ccv and both mogged Finana on that metric. A big part of her lower subs was having them cut twice. Only threadreaders doomposted her, because anyone that actually watched streams knew what the actual viewer numbers were. I say that as an OG Ryuuguard.

>>42514918
The point stands. Luxiem saved nijien
And tge girls ruined them on the long run

>incels think western women are too whorish to pull off anime girls
>western women own the incels by proving them right

I don’t understand the whole “degeneracy” thing. Some people here seem genuinely disgusted by stuff like Finana making that joke about stirring noodles sounding like pussy. Why? Do you watch streams together with your mom? I honestly struggle to imagine another reason why it would make me uncomfortable. Is this an American Puritan thing which I don’t get because religion? I understand disliking stuff like male collabs, especially shit that Enna pulled with Kyo. I don’t watch Niji much anymore because of those. But unironically what’s wrong with mentioning sexual stuff?

>>42507021
>>42504781
>>42513849
Yeah going 'I told you so' to the OG Lazulight/Obsydia fans might hold some weight if HoloEN wasn't a fucking wasteland (with shitty groomer males now too). Better a desert than a garbage fire, sure, but nothing to be bragging about.

I also take issue with calling it contrarianism. For my part I'd stopped watching HoloEN months before the Lazulight debut, it just wasn't that interesting to me. No, I'd say most people from that era just wanted to support building something good with their views/donos. There was a split second in time where Lazulight felt like the best vtubing unit in the planet, and I don't regret it at all even if it went to shit in the blink of an eye.

>>42514819
>it's all absolute fucking garbage now but they have NOOMBERS
fuck off back to /#/

>>42515371
Stop astroturfing.

>>42515508
Why do you anti? Honest inquire.

>>42515376
'I told you so' that vtuber could never work in the west. Even Nijifans are Chinese.

>>42515376
You fucking now is true and you know they are more grateful to the boys than anyone

>>42515573
It's more fun to hate. Loving makes you vulnerability. Hating is addicting, on the offence, powerful.

>>42515591
Women leeching off men's hard work. PROGRESSIVE!

>>42504245
I used to love watching Lazulight and Obsydia. Ethyria I didn't care much. I somehow enjoyed Luxiem but then things got worse and that's when I dropped NijiEN. I salute all nijibros that can't endure all their shit and shenanigans, I couldn't.

>>42516072
Streamers are not friends, spend your time elsewhere. HoloJP is not the last bastion, a lot of japanese indies do their exact style better. The only thing they have is box and collabs.

>>42504245
Honestly I'd be 99.99% fine with NijiEN if Luca and most of Ethyria were never hired. Most of the actual drama and unfun times goes back to them without fail.

>>42504245
fucking hell, the most comprehensive timeline I've seen on this godforsaken board. As a fellow HoloEN fan, I agree with everything you said. Maybe it's time for me to go back

>>42516217
>chink sister is having another episode
hololive is thriving
nijisanji is dying
your indie "degen" whores can't even pay their rent throught vtubing

it's over for your kind

>>42504245
NijiEN should've debuted with males from the start. Then you tourist bronies would've gotten filtered before you began and wouldn't have had to suffer NijiEN """changing course""", while those of us who knew Nijisanji since before NijiEN was even a thing wouldn't have to suffer your ceaseless whining.
>Oh nooooo woe is meeee the branch of the company known for its focus on variety and no gender segregation is hiring girls that don't cater to me and worse, MALES
lmao what a fucking tragedy
The "We want the Hololive audience" approach was a mistake.

It was the constant flirting that made me stop watching most members of NijiEN. The complete dealbreaker was the Enna and Kyo off-collab, I am not even parasocial but what the fuck was that shit. I only watch Selen and Rosemi now, fuck the rest of those whores

>>42517729
Do NijiJP also flirt with eachother on stream and do off-collabs drinking and holding hands? Lol

>>42517729
I love cock too sister

>>42504245
The only thing I'd add is Nina decided to stop leeching off of Luxiem because it was no longer profitable, it's why you're seeing her do a lot more solo streams and less off collabs.
Although the damage is done to her numbers.

>>42517842
Everything's flirting if you're schizo enough.
Off-collabs where they drink are a rarity and never that big a deal.
Not sure about holding hands since last I checked, handcam streams aren't actually allowed there. No idea why it's so different in NijiEN.

>>42518248
Well now you see the difference between NijiJP and NijiEN then

>>42517757
Roseschizo where are you? This guy needs a quick rundown.

>>42504545
Vspo EN...

>>42504245
>They trying to copy Hololive by acting very seiso and pure
You didn't even manage to make it five sentences into your shitpost before lying. Not going to waste my time debunking the rest.

>>42517729
Anon, while they didn't debut with males, they still had males at NijiEN from the start. The Lazulight debut program was hosted by both Hana and Bobon. In fact it wasn't that long, like maybe a month or two when they had collabs with NijiID males, and then NijiKR dudes. They were pretty much letting people know ahead of time what the company would be like to an extent, anyone who wasnt a fan was more than welcome to tune out.
Thing was, nobody gave a shit during Lazusydia and even early Ethyria arguably because there was pretty much no romantic tension there whatsoever, even with people like RPR or IPN. It's not until a bit after Luxiem that there was a gradual shift towards shipping within the fanbase, and it was already kind of showing with how Reimu tried collabs with some dudes before that.

>>42518889
>NijiEN is going through the shipping phase that Nijisanji proper had in 2019

>>42504245
The craziest thing is that this all went from fun to shit in only 18 months. Or really only 12 months if you count from the time of ethyria's debut.

>>42504245
>>people speculating that Pomu and Luca will offcollab soon.
Isn't it actually Elira going on vacation to see Luca?

>>42513656
I don't think so 100%, but I do find it pretty funny when a woman takes advantage of someone's kindness and then they stop being nice to her and she acts like they're the devil.
>you should just give me free stuff and be my bitch, just because

>>42517729
It should have because then it would have been dead in the water and never infected the rest of vtubing.

>>42515697
Women are fine with it if it means they can be higher on the totem pole than 'lower males'. It's why historically countries like rome trended towards dictatorship, because Caesar embodied incel rage and then they killed all the 'chads' (patricians) in a bloody revolution. Because it turns out having a lot of money and being tall doesn't give you superpowers to stop ten guys from holding you down and skinning you alive.

>>42506978
>people
Yeah what's up with that anyway, why do they uniquely lose their shit?

>>42508460
That would require them to actually stream.

>>42504245
well put

>>42520698
>Women are fine with it if it means they can be higher on the totem pole than 'lower males'. It's why historically countries like rome trended towards dictatorship, because Caesar embodied incel rage and then they killed all the 'chads' (patricians) in a bloody revolution. Because it turns out having a lot of money and being tall doesn't give you superpowers to stop ten guys from holding you down and skinning you alive.
Interesting.

>>42517729
>The "We want the Hololive audience" approach was a mistake.
Agreed, each company should simply stick to what works for them instead of trying to switch things up to capture the other's audience
Same thing goes for Holo suddenly trying to force the homos into the holobox to try to capture the twitter audience that only cares about "changing the culture" instead of actually watching streams

>>42503685
Go away vox lover

>>42504245

https://www.youtube.com/live/ACNJoq8VqmI?feature=share&t=19008

At the very least, it seems like Nina learned. I only started seeing her stuff as of FTL/space week, so I wasn't there for all her other shit, but it's been enjoyable. I guess it boils down to DYRBI and/or if it's too little, too late.

>>42513037
Thanks for the relaxing asmr

>>42504245
Wow, you have talent for writing, anon, so engaging

>>42503685
i despite nina but how they treated her was fucking disgusting high school behavior

>>42503814
how?

>>42505833
ok sister

>>42524285
I remember when the foxhag debuted she said she joined NijiEN because she loved the friendly atmosphere and interactions LazuLight and Obsydia had. Those first few months must've been rough for her.

>>42520698
>Patrician chads
Lmao.

>>42524285
qrd?

>>42516232
I unironically agree with this.

I'm going to say it, Vox is tolerable since he seems autistic and you do need someone to tard wrangle the fujos.
The only time I see mysta acting up is when this board reports on it. He's not annoying in streams.
Ike and Shu are cool and know their boundaries.
Fulgur's gen, barring yugo, is alright too. Same opinion with Ike and shu.
No opinions on the 2 new gens since I haven't seen them collab with the people I watch.

>>42504245
Sounds like the ex-hololive fans need to go to a better company.

>>42518661
I beleeb, but it's not likely.

>>42503685
Please remove Nina from the OP, she's not in the clique and she's kinda based

>>42503685
Anon no one likes Nina because she's a tryhard who clung onto Suisei's dead "hi honey" meme and tries fucking the male ENs

>>42530743
do you want phase to go absolute shit? because thats how you make it go to absolute shit
stfu, enjoy it while its still "not mainstream"
also none of them are pure, most are absolutely retarded, ex holo fans want their delusional seiso borderline retarded waifu, not another menhera... well maybe ex rushia fans do want a menhera

Yeah now buy enna's valentines day merch incel

>>42518565
>when she eats pringles
Burn the bitch at the stake

>>42537712
Menhera are the best. You're missing out on the strong shit.

>>42525275
She had Luxiem to keep her warm.

>>42525474
Millie and Enna came in already being best friends, and they already knew Reimu as well. Nina was the odd one out in that she knew none of them and has a different personality so she got excluded at the start. All 4 of them admitted to it and said they are good now

>>42513037
What the fuck.

>>42518836
Concession accepted. Move along nijicuck. You have no arguments anyway.

>>42504245
This is probably the most pathetic post on this board and that's saying something.

>>42543842
What's wrong with it? It's a pretty decent account of events thus far

>>42540730
Hah, I remember how people gloated over Nina getting excluded. I don’t recall every specific reason people gave for disliking her, but they were incredibly petty.

>>42543904
it’s an overreaching and over exaggerated projection of feeling towards events that you actually have a vague perspective in, woven in a way to to make every lowest common denominator take seem genuine. by the time you finish you’ll have not realized how much is exaggerated because he homes in on every anecdote you want to be true. at that point there’s no reason to break any point down since any asshole can run a gish gallop easily over this dudes tangents
I mean at the end of the day if you view yourself as dumber than even a midwit and hate yourself then yeah it’s a version of events that line with your awful world views and self-hatred. I hate to break it to you though but some of us aren’t depressed enough to assume the worst in women, plus public education taught us the evils of misogyny and how to avoid it.

>>42544291
LMAO Calm down.

>>42544291
>plus public education taught us the evils of misogyny and how to avoid it
Good bait but you ruined it with this bit, too blatant.

>>42513037
kekekekekek

>>42503685
>Ethyria
>a "Clique"
LMAO, Op only 2 of them are close and the others just collabs with each other because its mandated by management, stop this delusion.

Jesus

>>42521339
>because Caesar embodied incel rage and then they killed all the 'chads' (patricians) in a bloody revolution. Because it turns out having a lot of money and being tall doesn't give you superpowers to stop ten guys from holding you down and skinning you alive.
lmao, Augustus was literally killed by his wife and women had so much influence in the early empire era, stop rewrite history incel

>>42527394
>>42516232
I used to hate Vox, I mistakenly thought that he was the problem at first, but then I realized it wasn't him at all who was being an annoying cunt, it's Luca. I can't remember Vox randomly joining my oshi's streams and being an annoying cretin. Ever.
Luca is the real problem, that fucking ugly ass SEA monkey is always popping into places he isn't welcome and maybe I wouldn't care so much if he was actually entertaining but I can't stand his retarded laugh and his zoomer humor.

>>42504245
Saved.
Easily the most comprehensive and truthful timeline of NijiEN I've ever had the pleasure of reading.

>>42503685
>>get away with cucking their fans live on stream
happy valentines

>>42551995
Vox is only hated because of his fujo/yume pandering solo content (which can be easily ignored) and simply because he's successful. Bronies really don't like the fact that a NijiEN--a male, at that--outperformed many of their girls.
I vividly remember the days when they used to say that there's no way a male EN vtuber could be successful. That there's no demand and that they don't give anything that a regular streamer doesn't or whatever. It must be frustrating to be that wrong, and I guess Vox makes for a convenient outlet even though the guy himself is pretty chill.

If anyone should receive such hate, it's Hex. He seems to be everything they think Vox is.