/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Reminder that these are the new First Army members.

this thread will be better

previous thread

>>42481848
Name me one Singaporean vtuber without looking it up

>>42479947
She have the finished blueprint bro, soon it will no longer look like a cock

>>42481904
Recent clip numbers
>>42424153
>>42424173
>>42424195
>>42424218
>>42424298

So what did we learn from the last thread anons?

>>42481843
What does it mean to work with Miku in the first place? Isn't she just a voice program that music producers use to replace the singer for their song? So technically Cover could collaborate with her whenever they want, right?

Daily reminder that Kanae singlehandedly BTFO Covid to keep his concert in March. Watch and learn from your senpai Luxiem

>>42480558
Bettel is just by far the best streamer/entertainer of the bunch and clearly cares a lot about his content. The same can't be said for the other Tempus2 boys, who stream whatever they want and killed their momentum early with debuff shit.
I think Shinri has carved himself a pretty decent niche in odd hours and can be a a mid 1-2k streamer if he's not overlapped. Low ceiling tho.

>>42481966
Oh no no no nijibros don't look

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>45,516: Pekora (Hololive)
>41,734: Kobo (Hololive)
>35,577: Marine (Hololive)
>29,642: Miko (Hololive)
>22,026: Okayu (Hololive)
>19,497: Koyori (Hololive)
>19,358: Iroha (Hololive)
>19,239: Anya (Hololive)
>19,065: Mio (Hololive)
>17,949: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>17,898: Sora (Hololive)
>17,391: Hoshikawa (Nijisanji)
>17,329: Kana Sukoya (Nijisanji)
>17,136: Kana Sukoya (Nijisanji)
>16,904: Lamy (Hololive)
>16,881: Flare (Hololive)
>16,402: Hal (Neo-Porte)
>16,261: Subaru (Hololive)
>16,240: Chloe (Hololive)
>15,891: Risu (Hololive)
>15,867: Fubuki (Hololive)
>15,159: NeruMero (Indie)
>14,689: Botan (Hololive)
>14,246: Met (VSPO)
>13,506: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>13,462: Nose (VSPO)
>13,110: Iroha (Hololive)
>12,444: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>12,052: Nui (Nijisanji)
>11,115: Furen (Nijisanji)
>11,105: Ema (VSPO)
>10,511: Luna (Hololive)
>10,184: Bae (Hololive)
>10,074: Koyori (Hololive)

>>42481966
It is not the AI that is wrong, but people who posted in the thread that were retarded.

>>42481997
that Phillipinos get mogged at everything

>>42482025
>FEBRUARY 2023 GOLDS
1) Marine (Hololive) - 48,323 - Drawing stream
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,371 - Pebot Minecraft
3) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 85,315 - 5th Anniversary
4) Pekora (Hololive) - 34,140 - The Karaoke
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 45,516 - Minecraft

>PER COMPANY
4x: Hololive
1x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
3x: Pekora
1x: Marine, Nijisanji

>2023 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
27x: Hololive
8x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
2x: Kuzuha, Marine, Towa, Nijisanji
1x: Hololive, Koyori, Nerumero, Nozomi, Polka, Roco, Subaru, Suisei, Toya, Watame, Yashiro

>>42482000
"""""""""""Covid""""""""""""

>>42481997
Miku...

>>42482000
"Covid"

>>42481966
Goes to show what happens when you train an AI with retarded data lmfao

>>42481999
She is owned by a company bro

*YESTERDAY'S FINAL EN TALLY*

>2/5 DAILY TALLY
10,184: Baelz (Hololive)
9,873: Luca (Nijisanji)
8,876: Kiara (Hololive)
7,730: IRyS (Hololive)
6,512: Mori (Hololive)
5,604: Shu (Nijisanji)
5,434: Gavis (Holostars)

>EN GOLDS FOR FEBRUARY 2023
1) Baelz (Hololive) - 11,133 - Kinoko vs Takenoko
2) Baelz (Hololive) - 17,434 - Ministry Host Club
3) Amelia (Hololive) - 7,974 - Fallout New Vegas
4) Ina (Hololive) - 8,350 - Acessories Reveal
5) Baelz (Hololive) - 10,184 - Sausage Legend (w/ Subaru)

>PER COMPANY
5x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
3x: Baelz
1x: Amelia, Ina

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
15p: Baelz
8p: Ina
5x: Amelia
4p: Mori, Vox
3p: Uki, Luca
1p: IRyS, Kronii, Kiara

>>42481966
Subabros...

>>42482062
>$100k out of $300k in one day
actually why dont HoloEN do it, ill drop a few hundos if it ment i could go to a Gooba Live concert in the states...........

>>42482085
>Garbage in, Garbage out

list of the dead/dying indies/small corpos

>Castella Inomori https://twitter.com/CastellaInomori
>Melonbread https://twitter.com/melonbread_69
>Raina Chiwawa https://twitter.com/RaniaChiwawa
>Selkie https://twitter.com/SelkieVT
>Virion Kisei https://twitter.com/virionkisei
>Sellena https://twitter.com/anelles_
>MoonJelly https://twitter.com/moonjelly0
>Suika Emi https://twitter.com/suikaemi
>Usami https://twitter.com/usami_vt
>RoaFen https://twitter.com/FenThePixie
>TsukimiLune https://twitter.com/TsukimiLune
>Etherna Celine https://twitter.com/ethernaceline
>Etherna Helen https://twitter.com/EthernaHelen
>Makoto & Akira Misaki https://twitter.com/ggnlive_withyou
>Orla Gan Ceann https://twitter.com/orlaganceann
>Lilitapuff https://twitter.com/lilitapuff
>ProjectHarune https://twitter.com/ProjectHarune
>Lilita LaPlume https://twitter.com/lilitapuff
>Oceane Otoishi https://twitter.com/Oceane_Kawaii

places to end up for these streamers include
>NijiEN Gamers
>HoloEN3
>Phase Invaders/Phase Connect third gen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDUfwFZEICs

Other notes
Tsunderia Shuts down https://twitter.com/tsunderia_us/status/1618443736622501888
VReverie's 2nd generation of VTubers are now open https://twitter.com/VReverieLive/status/1619154341411315713
Tomopulse disbands https://twitter.com/tomopulse/status/1620192296099794944

>>42482000
Ngl but oldbie Niji are just built different or some shit. Nu-Niji is shit

>>42482102
EN has enough streams for a cripple tally again?

>>42481966
Nousabros...

>>42481999
You can use the voiceroid for non commercial projects but miku herself is intellectual property of crypton so no cover can't just do that

* FINAL 24HRS VOD TALLY FOR 02/04/2023 *
(View growth after 1 hour at end of each line)
>373,784 Kuzuha (ANYCOLOR) (41.5%)
>344,156 Sasaki Saku (ANYCOLOR) (818.0%)
>328,092 Kuzuha (ANYCOLOR) (33.8%)
>319,070 Hoshimachi Suisei (COVER) (118.6%)
>293,052 Usada Pekora (COVER) (92.2%)
>282,133 Komori Met (774 inc) (57.1%)
>220,809 Vestia Zeta (COVER) (2178.7%)
>213,291 Tokoyami Towa (COVER) (22.5%)
>209,340 Leos Vincent (ANYCOLOR) (388.9%)
>203,738 Shiranui Flare (COVER) (22.7%)
>192,828 Lauren Iroas (ANYCOLOR) (53.3%)
>191,627 NeruMero (Indie) (134.7%)
>183,842 Ibrahim (ANYCOLOR) (424.4%)
>180,668 Fuwa Minato (ANYCOLOR) (39.6%)
>172,152 Sakamata Chloe (COVER) (22.2%)
>171,059 Shirakami Fubuki (COVER) (43.5%)
>169,893 Shishiro Botan (COVER) (88.2%)
>166,388 Shibuya HAL (Neo-Porte) (48.3%)
>157,462 Kazama Iroha (COVER) (274.2%)
>151,002 Kagami Hayato (ANYCOLOR) (77.1%)

>>42482146
I am wondering which discussion make the AI think that. I mean we talk about Pekora reclining all the time

>>42481941
True and approved.

>>42481663
We use to rule this virtual shit.. what went wrong, bros?

>>42481941
>>42482205
Koyori soon

>>42482153
Talking about voiceroid, Chinks used Synth V to create an almost perfect rendition of Aliez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShG8Ij6_Hbo

Final Tally of Hololive Indonesia Kimono Reveal Stream
Source: holo.poi.cat

1. Kobo Kanaeru (Day 3 – 3rd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 41,734 | Avg. CCV: 28,503
>Prediction: 45,000 (-3,266)

2. Kaela Kovalskia (Day 1 – 2nd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 34,328 | Avg. CCV: 24,148
>Prediction: 30,000 (+4,328)

3. Zeta Vestia (Day 2 – 1st Slot)
>Peak CCV: 31,477 | Avg. CCV: 19,386
>Prediction: 40,000 (-8,523)

4. Kureiji Ollie (Day 1 – 1st Slot)
>Peak CCV: 27,510 | Avg. CCV: 17,916
>Prediction: 30,000 (-2,490)

5. Moona Hoshinova (Day 1 – 3rd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 25,496 | Avg. CCV: 18,199
>Prediction: 30,000 (-4,504)

6. Anya Melfissa (Day 3 – 2nd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 19,239 | Avg. CCV: 13,479
>Prediction: 20,000 (-761)

7. Pavolia Reine (Day 2 – 3rd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 17,659 | Avg. CCV: 11,940
>Prediction: 25,000 (-7,341)

8. Airani Iofifteen (Day 2 – 2nd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 17,216 | Avg. CCV: 12,796
>Prediction: 20,000 (-2,784)

9. Ayunda Risu (Day 3 – 1st Slot)
>Peak CCV: 15,891 | Avg. CCV: 10,544
>Prediction: 30,000 (-14,109)

>>42482238
I planned to buy stardust infinity. It seems good and easy to handle.

who is jing ying

>>42482268
What are those shitty predictions. Did people really think Zeta can get more than Kaela?

>>42482205
>Towatame at the center
Blessed

>>42481966
Noel would have a complete meltdown if she was ever kicked out of hololive. She's probably the member who'd have the worst one.

>>42482192
probably the shitty game they're going to play

>>42482116
>100k in one day
That's... that's worse than many vsingers...

>>42482000
2754 capacity, that's small.

>>42482307
Aqua

>>42482229
Those Miku X Colgate lunch box didn't do as well as they expect them to be

Will Vtubing one day become a fading fad like Vocaloid where everyone knows of its existence but no one gives a shit?

>>42482286
Unless you are a producer (either pro or amateur) there is no reason to "buy" it.

https://twitter.com/hololivetoday/status/1621730149267017728
Hololive in Taiwan

>>42482343
It was one post. I guess they can infer “reclining” from “sub 30k” now

>>42482367
Eh, you gotta start somewhere for a single-person concert, the Pits that Watame and Suisei did their firsts in weren't too big either.

>>42482085
>Summarizer ai try to summarize thread with shitty takes
>gets shitty summarize
Working just as intended

>>42482393
If they get try and push Unicorns away then yes. The only ones that remember Miku are people like Gura that call Miku their wife. It will be the same for Vtubers.

>>42482000
I don't think the nijiEN concert was canceled over covid. The question is if it was a logistics thing or a punishment.

https://twitter.com/hololive_ENcafe/status/1614835081419309056
OH NO NO NO NO NO CHINKBROS DON'T LOOK

>>42482180
Donkey holo when

>>42482393
It’s inevitable

>>42482393
>no one gives a shit?
Miku still pulls a packed concert 4x a year till this day you know.

>>42482393
>everyone knows of its existence but no one gives a shit?
Yes. That day is today, except for a very small and selected audience.
At least in North America (and the western world in general), vtubers are far far far FAR away from the peak mindshare it had in late 2020.
>Gura Taco Bell ad was 18 months ago

how long does hololyzer usually take to process a stream?

>>42482229
I blame domino for this

>>42482471
>except for a very small and selected audience
>All holoJPs have more viewers than they ever had before

>>42482455
Here is anon with a very pertinent question
>How bout one in America next :3

>>42482238
It's good but still can't replicate Mizuki
>>42482393
Not really, they are just a streamer
>>42482418
Suisei's was 3k capacity and Watame's was 2.5k capacity and then cut them half because of social distancing. I don't know about Okayu's and Mori's venue.

>>42482307
Miko, guess this is translated from CN/TW clips?
Fans called Miko 菁櫻 (jing ying)

>>42482504
It can give you SC and membership info on the fly

Holo ID spy here, moonafic's having meltdown on kikebook because they found out moona is married

holoID - outfit reveal's CCV versus average January's CCV ratio

>ID1
Iofi 17216/1158 = 14.87
Risu 15821/1863 = 8.49
Moona 25496/2583 = 9.87

>ID2
Anya 19239/1266 = 15.20
Olie 27510/1318 = 20.87
Reine 17542/1316 = 13.33

>ID3
Kobo 41734/5093 = 8.19
Zeta 30725/2543 = 12.08
Kaela 33806/3301 = 10.24

The higher the ratio is, the more tourists you have watching your reveal stream. From this data, we can see that ID2 is really just a tourist central, where they will get a bunch of JP/EN tourists watching events but not their normal stream. A true EN/JP lite where everyone knows you but doesn't watch you.

>>42482238
With how advanced AI now. I can see people can already create voicebanks themselves with just with AI and good amounts of samples

>>42482418
Suisei chose Toyosu PIT because of sentimental value, I think they could have gone for bigger venues but covid was still a thing back then. I don't disagree with the notion that they gotta start from nowhere though

>>42482399
>>42482455
AIEEEEEEEE POOHBEAR SAVE US

>ID 3 took less time to become 3k shitters as compared to selen, pomu and enna
grim

>>42482570
Kaela and Zeta have massively benefitted from the absence of an EN3.

>>42482536
>All holoJPs have more viewers than they ever had before
You are missing the big picture. Even if HoloJP ha had a 15k average across the board, that's still a niche when compared to the heights Miku reached back in the days, with North American Toyota ad campaign (among others) and a notoriety dwarfing even what Kizuna AI got a few years down the road.

Don't get me wrong, what the JP girls are doing in their industry is without comparison but I assume when anon says
>everyone
he means people in the fandom and outside the fandom

>>42482619
Do nijikeks really?

>>42482631
Kaela is literally a substitute member of Council

>>42482329
Idk why that anon keeps using my prediction without giving the context. When i first bring that up again i quote my original prediction back in early Jan where we still don't know how they gonna do it. My prediction was based on assumption that they will have 1 day for each gen, and relatively small or even no overlap. Obviously that's not what happened.

>>42482539
>burgers...

>>42482661
Yes they are actually that desperate to score a win they are comparing themselves to id now

>>42482558
I'm dumb I was refreshing the channel page instead of the hourly view

https://twitter.com/devilcaramel/status/1621824884384071680?t=ljAQ9pco1sbaFFzYdIqwnQ&s=09

>>42482650
Miku's company has other products and heavyweight clients so it makes sense that they'd be able to shill their mascot on a bigger stage.

>>42482619
>as compared to selen, pomu and enna
These 3 **inclined** to 3k shitters. You are doing them a disservice with this comparison

ID sports fes confirmed btw

>>42482742
Mumei did not even try...

>>42482107
and somehow that's true since most of the holo vs holo shit was started by that schizo with his first army bs
that AI is learning fast

>>42482762
Yeah because they totally didn't already do that by comparing them to ID

>>42482650
I mean yeah, Miku is obviously a whole different beast, but it's not like she became a worldwide phenomena out of nowhere. First you grow in Japan, then you slowly expand in the rest of the world. If HoloJP keeps inclining and getting bigger and bigger sponsorships and events we might see a similar phenomena happening in a few years.
HoloEN by itself yeah, they won't reach those peaks again, not when management is so fucking retarded.

>>42482570
It's less that they are tourist central and more that they stream a lot of boring shit

>>42482787
Isn’t it too soon? They are juggling 2 tournaments and now a SportFes on top of it? Are they going Nijisanji route?

>>42482743
Miku popularity was entirely based on fan works. Crypton "lucked out" by giving a very generous license for the use of Miku, the voice and a reasonable license for Miku, the character

>>42482539
I wish, but I can't think of any cafes in the US open to collaboration, its not really a cultural thing. Most likely location for it would be LA if it existed though. I'd like to see them try it just to see if it would be successful, but it would be risky.

>went to a random dark and darker thread on /v/, some fags are planning to grief pebot.
This is why we can't have nice things

>>42482687
Is there even a cafe that even promote anime in burgerland? Im just afraid people going to trash that place because "anime is pedophile"

Why are so many cafes and conventions inviting HoloEN instead of NijiEN when NijiEN has increased mindshare to rival HoloEN?
There are more NijiEN viewers these days than HoloEN.

>>42482821
August

>>42482329
Also, about the Zeta > Kaela prediction, Zeta had more JP and KR audiences compared to Kaela, which has a lot of EN audiences, especially in the US, which will be in a really bad time to watch her.

The final result is not that far either. I honestly think Kaela getting funnel from Ollie, the queen of tourist, is a massive factor that is just impossible to see back in Jan when we don't have the schedule yet.

The final result is not that far either, despite Kaela being the clear ID #2. I honestly think Kaela getting funnel from Ollie, the queen of tourists, is a massive factor that is just impossible to see back in January when we don't have the schedule yet.

>>42482856
Starbucks lmao

>>42482504
Depends how long it was and how much traffic it got in the chat.

>>42482856
You can limit the risk by giving EN fans enough warning, like 1-3 months in advance, that it's happening with special merch to buy, it would be fine I think

>>42482821
It's going to take place sometime in August

>>42482868
Nigga think he can just do that and get away with it. Especially after announcing it to everyone

https://youtu.be/c3SGdPwmy6k
Nijisanji Black company confirmed

>>42482816
Anon, please use your brain for a second to read slowly and understand what you just read. It's about ratio not average or peak ccv.

>>42482676
That prediction is from one anon in /warkop/. I removed it. You can use this tally now.

Final Tally of Hololive Indonesia Kimono Reveal Stream
Source: holo.poi.cat

1. Kobo Kanaeru (Day 3 – 3rd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 41,734 | Avg. CCV: 28,503

2. Kaela Kovalskia (Day 1 – 2nd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 34,328 | Avg. CCV: 24,148

3. Zeta Vestia (Day 2 – 1st Slot)
>Peak CCV: 31,477 | Avg. CCV: 19,386

4. Kureiji Ollie (Day 1 – 1st Slot)
>Peak CCV: 27,510 | Avg. CCV: 17,916

5. Moona Hoshinova (Day 1 – 3rd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 25,496 | Avg. CCV: 18,199

6. Anya Melfissa (Day 3 – 2nd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 19,239 | Avg. CCV: 13,479

7. Pavolia Reine (Day 2 – 3rd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 17,659 | Avg. CCV: 11,940

8. Airani Iofifteen (Day 2 – 2nd Slot)
>Peak CCV: 17,216 | Avg. CCV: 12,796

9. Ayunda Risu (Day 3 – 1st Slot)
>Peak CCV: 15,891 | Avg. CCV: 10,544

>>42482868
Nousagis will be doing that anyway
All rests on Botan to handle everything

>>42482868
At least share the post number

>>42482804
>If HoloJP keeps inclining and getting bigger and bigger sponsorships and events we might see a similar phenomena happening in a few years.
Nah, that's the thing. Miku (and the fandom doing most of the content) had the "ideological monopoly" on the vocaloid
Despite the existence of some "rowdy" MMDs featuring Miku, in general, you would never see the vocaloid scene branch out as far from the initial style and atmosphere that a vocaloid singing
>I want to suck cocks, got jizz in my eyes and teehee, my boyfriend which is right here singing with me ejaculates inside of me on a regular basis

Miku, the sixteen years old virtual diva (and her pals) defined vocaloid. There was no branching out.
With the vtuber scene, SPECIALLY in North America, a person learning about the fandom is more likely to find out about vtubers by Ironmouse and Nyanners (last year) or Neuro-sama (this year) than by Gura (for obvious reasons) or the JP girls.
It came to a point that, maybe, Hana Macchia prophecy came true and vtubers (at least as perceived by the North American and western crowd) are nothing but virtual egirls.
>except for the core niche of followers of the original batches

>>42482942
>That prediction is from one anon in /warkop/.
Yes, you're literally talking to that anon...

>>42482979
>>626752861

Another day, another NijiEN yab.
Elira hates her fans.
>>42482387
>>42482387
>>42482387

>>42483028
here anon
>>>/v/626752861

>>42482875
>Im just afraid people going to trash that place because "anime is pedophile"
The internet is not real life. When you stray enough away from twitter you'll notice most of society doesn't give a fuck about what other people are doing and it's only terminally online people barking loud safely behind their computers

>>42481892
Only reason Moona is leading the replay stat is because Suisei's aqua iro part has multiple clips of it made that has 500k, 430k, 320k views, and more that has less than 100k views but still pretty decent. Best non-reaction clip I've found of Moona's part is 50k.

>>42482895
GPT-3 chama....

>>42483037
They do have a lot of chink audiences, understandable.

>>42482936
What i find astonishing about this is that even with all the evidence in the world the whole vtubing community denies niji being a black company they unironically come up with arguments to deny that claim but everyone calls holo a black company even though they do the literal opposite on one every time the jelousy is real

>>42483075
Also Moona fucking advertised her part on Twitter

>>42482991
Nah Gura still has the biggest mindshare eclipsing Nyanners or Ironmouse. Both are severely declining due to males.

>>42482875
It's a perfectly safe hobby that no one is going to judge you for saying you like it now a days. There's a few maid cafe in california they could team up with that would pander to the otaku crowd well.

>>42482900
yea that ain't happening, too big a chain and too normie. Bizarre name to give too, has starbucks shown any interest at all in anime theme cafe collaborations of any sort?

>>42483091
What?

>>42483037
Apparently this was the SC that caused it lol

>>42482885
IIRC they're only talking about it this early was because M-chan wants it to take place on a seperate server that will tons of mods. not sure what kind of mod though

>>42482940
The average affects the ratio

>>42483166
These niggas' coworkers say raunchier stuff to each other on stream and on Twitter

>>42483120
A person just learning about the fandom won't be learning from Gura, given that she is absent now and has 44 streams in the past 6 months.

>>42482547
Did Suisei and Watames first ones have the capacity restrictions? I know Mori didn’t

>>42482393
They need to be replaced by something else better
Vocaloids/utaites were replaced by vsingers/vtubers, so the next big thing has to be something more advanced, AR, VR and/or AI related

>>42483171
If they still don't have proximity chat then idk what else to say.

>>42483162
You repeated the last sentence twice

>>42483222
Proximity chat on the main server would make MC even better

Today I'm feeling that Miko gold.

>>42483199
and yet her clippers are getting 100k view clips off of her still

>>42483207
The ai vtuber is rising in popularity.

>>42483199
>streams
Retard, she has a billion fucking clips about her floating around. The initial point of contact doesn't matter, it's what people will stick with.

VSPO fucking strong jesus

I want some pussy tonight

>>42483202
Nevermind I can’t tucking read apparently

>>42483193
they're not coworkers. they're part of her clique since before joining. of course it's fine for them. not for these plebs on yt chat.
no i'm not millie. i'm just going by their logic

>>42482393
Isn't Vocaloid's main issue that a lot of its star composers eventually made became professionals in their own right and no longer made anymore Vocaloid songs? A Mikufag friend once lamented that the scene was bleeding talents

>>42483246
You are missing the point. He is talking about new people learning about Vtuber in the west, not already existed fan
Citing Gura number all you like but how do you know the people who watch her are new face to Vtuber?

>>42483222
moona did mention that, so yeah it's going to be one on the list.

>>42483166
This is so mild, any JP will shrug it off with the usual "Eee kimo, kimochiwarui kore wa, yabai" Are you sure that's the SC?

>>42483244
Exactly, the only reason i can think of why they haven't done it is because maybe for some reason it's not compatible with their main server.

>>42483246
From her already existing fans that have nothing to watch but these clips you fucking moron

>>42483321
Most streamers in general get some unhinged comments after they reach certain numbers. They, for the most part, ignore it instead of giving these people the time of day.

>>42483311
>learning about
That is fucking retarded. I learned about vtubers through Hana, but beyond a few clips I never got into her and quickly found out about Korone and stuck with Hololive. Who gives a fuck where people learn about vtubing, it's where the end up that matters.

>>42483329
wow that's a very dedicated fanbase if none of them are tourists

>>42483318
Nice, literally all SMP nowadays use it it's really jarring watching SMP without it.

>>42483311
Sub growth i guess? Any way to compare that with Twitch number?

>>42483246
>>42483263
>clips
That's a fair point, and out of the tracked EN vtubers by the clip anon Gura still has a very big number of views.
I don't believe people watching Gura clips, in their majority, are "first time watchers, never stumbled upon vtubers" tho, but the current fanbase, itching for more Gura content in a very similar way people latch on Goodbye Declaration when Ayame is absent.

In 2023, when you hear people going
>vtubers? What is this and why I am hear of X so much
X is unavoidably Neuro-sama

>>42483321
That's what the was in the cross-posted thread

>>42483037
>>42483166
Looks like the members who participated in that Millie chat stream are on edge

>>42483401
>In 2023, when you hear people going
>vtubers? What is this and why I am hear of X so much
>X is unavoidably Neuro-sama

>>42483318
Contrarian opinion but proximity chat would kill Pekora Minecraft because she can’t talk for shit. I bet my fucking ass if Hololive have it Pekora wouldn’t be able to communicate with Kaela yesterday or any EN in that matter

Who's this blue girl? I saw her while shopping for figures.

>>42483037
So I watched it. Overblown but still...
You normally should avoid to speak about such things.

>>42483304
Yeah, so many composers go doing normal music...
It makes more money after all and vocaloid songs are good portfolio to go pro

>>42483401
>X is unavoidably Neuro-sama
This is setup for a legendary grudgepost once the AI fad dies.

Kaela still inclining.

>>42483263
>The initial point of contact doesn't matter, it's what people will stick with.
You likely boarded the thread mid trip and missed what is being talked about.

If the initial point of contact of a first time vtuber watcher is Nyanners, he'll get a completely different impression of what vtubers are all about than if they do it through Gura (for instance).
And in North America, with Twitch being their streaming platform of choice, that's more likely than not.

>>42483380
>Gura is ranked 20th
Why do cumbuds keep talking about her clip views and VOD views like she's Pekora or Marine?

>>42483480
>once the AI fad dies.
It's only just beginning. We have 4 fucking AI related generals on this board now. One for chatbots, one for art, one for voice ai, and one for neuro.

>>42483435
she was literally streaming when that happened retard

>>42483490
we're talking about EN chumbrain

>>42483480
>AI fad dies
I have terrible news for you

>>42483445
>>42483480
>This is setup for a legendary grudgepost once the AI fad dies.
Would it make the statement untrue? For people that never heard of vtubers, right now in 2023, the only thing talked about outside the hobby so far is Neuro-sama.
I am not saying it will have a long life because I believe this is just
>twitch plays pokemon
redux and people will get bored after a while.

But it is undeniable that for a lot of people that never ever heard of vtubers, they're being bombarded right now with Neuro sama articles and hot takes and whatnot.

>>42483490
Usually EN VOD get brought up because it is disproportionate to their ccv. I once check it out of curiousity and Gura is the only EN with impressive VOD views. Other ENs are so-so

>>42482205
>>42482331
A magical photo full of esoteric meaning. God is a holofag and this is his throne.

>>42483465
that's Power from Chainsaw Man colorblindchama

>>42483435
Elira was literally one of the few that are confirmed to not be in it, you donkey

I just realised there was a VSPO thread, thats what I get for hiding the majority of the catalog

Another niji girl just had a meltdown. It just doesn't stop
>>42482387

>>42483482
>If the initial point of contact of a first time vtuber watcher is Nyanners, he'll get a completely different impression of what vtubers are all about
Yeah, he'll see nyanners and never look anywhere else, remains completely oblivious to Hololive or Nijisanji and how they are all different.
Do you understand how hobbies work? It's like saying that the first movie a person sees in his life will forever form an impression of what all movies are like, and he will never try to go watch another movie, ever.

>>42483037
it seems to me that eliraniggas can now track her period then, this is clearly pms

>>42483546
Again.

>>42483550
Gura gets 10k less CCV than Pekora and Marine but is competitive in VOD views for most streams.
Other ENs get 10k less than Gura but are competitive with HoloJPs with 10-12k CCV.
If you look at HoloJPs with 5-7k CCV, their VODs are way worse than HoloENs with 5-7k CCV.

>>42483193
Clearly she's facing alot of pressure to snap like that

>>42483550
I thought they looked normal when you consider her most recent stream is from a month ago, but then I looked at Ina for reference and you're right Gura has usually 2 to 3 times more views on her VODs.
But then again, that's consistent with how much higher her CCV is.

>>42483471
>Overblown but still...
I mean that goes for most of these catalog yabs.

>>42483667
>Gura gets 10k less CCV than Pekora and Marine but is competitive in VOD views for most streams.
Gura's FIFA stream from 2 months ago has less VOD views than Pekora's stream from yesterday.

>>42483708
>that one stream is different tho!
Retard.

>>42483606
Again, you might have missed what started the whole subject, which is this post >>42482471
The original question is essentially
>will vtubers, like vtubers, ever reach a point they'll be confined to a hobby with no path to reach the mainstream audience
and the point being made is that the answer to that question is
>yes, that's exactly what's happening, right now with the north american and western audience.
Anon then pointed out that JP is growing, and that is what generated the topic you are replying to because (and here is the succint summary) despite the JP audience behaving one way, the reality for the North American and western vtuber scene is that most people are not having their first impression of vtubers by watching the same brand of vtubing Hololive provides and that molds their minds on what the hobby really is about.

>>42483683
Naw, clearly this major yab will have a huge effect on her numbers.
I'm guessing Elira, who has been averaging 2-3k for a year now, is going lose half of viewers after this massive meltdown.

>>42483113
Imagine if the roles were swapped. Hololive would have been all over twitter with calls to cancel them and le evil idol culture. But it's nijisanji so no one bats an eye. It's ok when nijisanji does it.

>>42483599
>>42483037
How the fuck is stuff hitting the catalogue before this thread?

my cute wife (no delivery)

>>42483672
Doesn't Ina have the same issue as Fauna where they get relatively shit VODs compared to their CCV?

holy shit mr koro is playing minecraft again

>>42482991
I mean what metric are we judging anyway? CCV? Actual mindchair? Like you are bringing Neurosama but she's still a mid 4views shitter on Twitch and her clips don't seem to be that popular either. CCV and mindchair are very different things too, like Gura even without streaming for months still sells a retarded amount of merch, she's a mascot.
Hell there are very succesful athletes who randomly stream on Twitch for mediocre numbers and they'll still be more popular than any streamer could ever dream of.
It's a complex subject honestly, internet popularity is different from mainstream media popularity, and even there you have a bunch of different categories.
Anime is so fucking huge and mainstream nowadays that even taking a decent chunk of that audience would be more than enough.

Chadcast Offcollab for today's cripple gold

https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1622510314452578304
https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1622510314452578304
https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1622510314452578304

>>42483737
Pfffft.
I doubt it, but if she does start to recline, this is a good point of reference.

>>42483667
You only need to watch for 30 seconds for a view to count on youtube. EN viewers have short attention span, they watch for 5 minutes and dip. They'd rather just wait for clips as stream highlights.

>>42483662
Not really, if this was a court of law or a juvenile debate club I would be compelled to concede the point.
Fortunately, this is a cantonese watermelon planting forum and I can make unbacked statements and count on the audience to weight whether or not they have any merit

>>42483747
Our spies are slacking.

>>42483735
>the reality for the North American and western vtuber scene is that most people are not having their first impression of vtubers by watching the same brand of vtubing Hololive provides and that molds their minds on what the hobby really is about.
Jesas you are retarded. Where is the data to support this assertion?

>>42483304
DECO 27 is actually a perfect example.

>>42483764
FUCK YEAH MR KORO, SUGI SUKI

>>42483768
See >>42483735
>>42483796
See >>42483781

>>42483760
Yes.

>>42442822
Twelve hours later
>>42482387
nijiniggers are cursed I tell you, cursed

>>42483781
Cool, then I can just call you a fucking retard and ignore your retarded posts.

>>42483772
>this is a good point of reference
>When Elira gets 1.5k on ep12 of Tales of Vespira 2 months from now
AHA I knew it would affect her eventually!!!

>>42483525
>>42483562
>sisters trying to cover for their whore
why are you lying?

>>42483819
Funny thing about this whole Elira thing is that she could have just not read the superchat, mentioned to the audience
>I'm banning that person, have some respect and don't be like that guy
but she chose collective punishment instead.

>>42483769
Is Chadcast popular enough to top the chart? I don't think an offcollab is enough to make people wanna tune in any more than if they were on a group chat.

>>42483829
You could do that all the time, there was nothing preventing you from doing it, specially the part of "ignoring" the posts

>>42483833
that's exactly what it would mean, sister
also her superchat numbers will be monitored

>>42483747
Honestly it's pretty small time drama compared to shit like the Millie secret GC yab or anything Enna related which will usually get posted here so we can dunk on them
The fact that it hit the catalog first means it was probably posted by a /NijiEN/ regular who hates Elira (there are a few)

nijien organs seem to be on edge lately

>>42483863
since when did hinano get so strong? she isn't even collabing

>>42483866
not really. chadcast doesn't really draw any tourists. their average ccv lines up pretty nicely with chadcast ccv
5k irystocrats + 2-3k brats + 2-3k deadbeats gives u around 10k

>>42483851
Ah, the Mori route. Letting the one SC live rent free in your head, and then blowing up at the rest of your audience.

>>42483730
>I-it's just one stream
Please stop being retarded. Pekora gets more VOD views per video despite having several times the amount of streams.
You have to be delusional to think they're anywhere near comparable.

>>42483887
So, another "haha laugh at the nijiniggers" incident?

>>42483902
VSPO on the incline, in Japan and in this thread

>>42483914
More like the ameway

>>42483902
Minecraft is just too strong

>>42483819
Remember the amount of daisenpai VS irys shitposting we had to go through back then

>>42483851
Probably just stressed out with whatever is going on behind the scenes with the cancellation and other shit.

>>42483940
Right, that is more like Ame. Mori made it a whole fucking arc.

>>42483887
There's a decent few luxsisters that are jealous of Elira. It's not surprising.

>>42483902
Six months apart

>>42483915
Not really. It's just a few of her most recent videos that did well, but the rest of them are no better than Gura's. You can shut the fuck up now.

>>42483902
She's the only vspo streaming and it's minecraft.

>>42483992
Retard chama you're in the wrong tab
Chumbuds are such fucking apes sometimes

>>42483960
Mori made it worse, she actually went out of her place to go to the anti place to interact with him there.
Is there any greater honor for an anti than being personally acknowledged by your target?

>>42483708
>14k avg / 17k peak ccv
>385k vod
vs
>39k avg / 45k peak ccv
>398k vod
that is odd indeed

>>42483992
These are Pekora's uploads anon, not streams.

>>42483902
Hinano too kakoi

>>42484017
Aaaand, you just proved my point anyways?

>>42484023
>uploaded over a month ago
>uploaded hours ago
How do people this dumb even breathe

>>42484023
>ratiocoep

These are two Himano apex streams 12 months apart. VSPO doing really well for themselves.

EN vtuber scene atmosphere feels negative and grim recently
Is there something that can make the situation less grim

>>42484054
He can take a VOD from a month ago and the comparison will be the same, you fucking retard.

>>42484044
Pekora outperforms Gura per VOD, while also outputting an order of magnitude more streams.
How is this hard for you to understand that these aren't even remotely comparable?

>>42484017
You only need to watch for 30 seconds for a view to count on youtube. Pekora's viewers have short attention span, they watch for 5 minutes and dip. They'd rather just wait for clips as stream highlights.

>>42484054
Here's Pekora a month ago. Now what?

>>42484044
Gura has 4M subs. Some of those people are bound to be VOD viewers.

>>42484087
>Is there something that can make the situation less grim
Take drugs, uppers in particular, and enjoy the buzz

If Pekora somehow got gold again today then I would feel bad for her. She go out of her way to decrease her number with multi POVs and still win

>>42484087
Become a Man United fan. We're winning the league. Trust the process.

Holy shit it's 20fucking23 and some retards are STILL bringing vod views. Why the fuck are you even trying? Just say that Gura has 4m subs and mogs everyone, stop trying to have a discussion, everybody knows what you're trying to do.

https://twitter.com/hololivepro_EN/status/1622505373424037888

>>42484095
They watch stream bro

>>42484093
>>42484097

See: >>42484094
There's literally over a dozen VODs to watch just from the past week, and she still outperforms Gura on a per-video basis, while Gura has a single VOD from the past month.
Do you need me to draw?

>>42484118
Make a peko version of this if she does

>ina with 0 effort pokemon and 50 minute streams
>fauna refuses to do buff content and still has a shit ceiling
>kronii back to debuff kusoge
>mumei dying and back to guerilla debuff
>bae the runt one of the 2 ENs trying
>kiara the runt one of the 2 ENs trying
>gura still dead
>irys might as well graduate with how little she streams
>ame still in debuff kusoge retard guerilla mode
>mori doing retarded mori things
its over for holoen

>>42484158
>she still outperforms Gura on a per-video basis
What does that even mean?

>>42482471
It's not just vtubers, but streaming in general that has declined for the western audience, especially gaming streams. Vtubers + gaming streams = sharp decline. Unless in JP.
Of course, some look for other content that's still trending, but aren't allowed to do so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptQMAb0_veM

>>42483062
I guess it just me then, too much Internet negativity does skew your viewpoints, i just hope they doing well if they ever get one in the states.

>>42482600
she chose it because her enstar oshi first live is also there.

Bro if my chuuba get shit number then can I cope by saying “cull”?

>>42482471
>Gura Taco Bell ad was 18 months ago
Felt like a fever dream and in retrospect, it was cringe despite initially being hype due how big a deal it was.

>>42484148
Nah, Pekora is tourist and clipwatcher bait, super good at it but low loyalty nonetheless. Explains her churn and low member numbers.

https://twitter.com/ponkan_8/status/1608170692515889152
cute mama interaction

>>42484190
The average pekora stream gets more total VOD views than the average Gura stream, and there are many more Pekora streams than there are Gura streams, so they aren't even remotely close when it comes to VOD views.
To catch up with Pekora, you need to watch several videos instead of one or two, and yet she still has more people watching her archives. Which means that just looking at the # of views per video does not paint the whole picture unless you also consider the time frame and amount of uploads.

>>42484230
You can cope by realizing that this shit is fucking stupid, everybody in this thread is an imbecile, and you should just be enjoying your oshi's stream.

>>42484182
>Fauna
>shit ceiling
That's true. She got herself a trusty 6k bunch tho, plus whatever stragglers she manage to rope in that particular stream.

The EN field is looking a little bit like "The Tortoise and the Hare" story, with the "hares" having massive eventful one off streams like unarchived karaokes, handcams and outfit reveals while others just chug along

>>42484136
>Trust the process
I am traumatized with this sentence

>>42484250
>Low member number
>2nd even on the estimate chart
What did he mean by this?
Also talk about loyalty when EN watcher been visibly leaving in drove kek

>>42484240
I genuinely was left with the impression the initial "cameo" was done without Cover involvement and, to avoid further legal repercussions, Taco Bell made it official after the fact.

>>42484230
You can cope by not giving a shit about numbers and laughing at the fucking tards here that seriously think they can derive meaning from a proven broken and unequal system that they can never actually understand. Now say the line, monkey.

>>42484194
Why does gaming stream have declined recently? Not many good games? Less time for viewers to watch streams?

>>42484280
Unarchived karaokes are much more abusable than handcams or outfits. Especially if you're one of the 3 good singers

>>42484182
>fauna refuses to do buff content
>Literally the only HoloEN that streams minecraft
>Willingly plays horror games

>>42484329
>from a proven broken and unequal system

>>42484329
Post your memberships tourist

>>42484275
>average
Ah, you mean total untrue bullshit value that you didn't even bother to actually calculate. You do reralize Gura has many VODS over 1m views or more and even one month of 300k VODs won't make any difference, right?

>>42484329
durrrr COPE

>>42484355
Go on, post backend mr youtube.

>>42483747
Holospy is currently on trial at the Hague

>>42483810
Again, complex subject. Someone who just approached Vtubers because of HoloJP will start by watching HoloJP clips and and then will look for something similar while digging deeper into the community.
If HoloJP becomes big enough to truly breach into the western larger market then they might also become the golden standard for western Vtubing, with more people emulating them and fanbases looking for that kind of content.

>>42484280
karaokes aren't "one off" eventful streams. gura has done a shit ton and still gets 30k. irys and mumei get 13k ish except for extreme debuff circumstances. the rest get around 8-10k as well, with kronii getting 15k most of the time (ill attribute that one to rarity buff tho)

>>42483199
>>42483311
What indication do you have that these other vtubers are pulling in new people rather than just shifting fanbases?

For a thread about numbers, a lot of you are really bad at math

>>42484426
this is /gossip/

>>42484401
No chance, western streaming culture will stomp away anything that isn’t like them. They are unironically tribalfaggots

>>42484355
We literally know for a fact every single metric on youtube is being fucked with and curated by both the broken algorithm and actual youtube employees.

Zeta is shilling to join her membership

>>42484424
>karaokes aren't "one off" eventful streams. gura
I am talking more about the NijiEN side, 3k streamers pulling 30k karaokes

>>42484307
Miko has higher members

>>42483037
Every day we grow closer to niji graduation relay

>>42484426
don't need math to watch horse race

>>42484425
For once you can look at the Vtubers award and the kind of people western fan give their medal to

>>42484466
Doesn't really happen anymore except for a few people in Luxiem and Noctyx.
Ike will probably get another 40k karaoke considering how he's only done 2 fucking karaokes in his career, but apart from him, 20k or lower seems to be where NijiEN is at on the high end.

>>42483207
>>42483260
AI vtubers are hot garbage. The novelty will wear off.

>>42484464
Why didn't she do that during her kimono reveal? Was the stream botted?

>>42484426
I just like looking at lines going up and down and comparing those lines with other lines

>>42484380
>>42484458
I am laughing more about the characterization of "unequal system" than about anything else.
Youtube public metrics are not accurate enough to determine their absolute values with any accuracy but they're good enough for horse racing and to spot some trends.

>>42484479
Yes and Pekora is 2nd right after her on an “estimated” chart, higher than EN

>>42484366
>Ah, you mean total untrue bullshit value that you didn't even bother to actually calculate
Ok homework for you: add up Pekora's and Gura's VOD views from last year, divide by the number of streams
Come back and post your findings, I'll wait.

>>42483276
They might unironically become a competition for niji someday

>>42482307
Probably from a cn/tw clip. Jin ying refers to miko, ‘patriach’ or ‘chief’ refers to peko.

Didn't expect Fauna to win EN gold with that stream for today lmao, pretty quiet overall I guess.

>>42483171
>>42483222
ID Sport Fes 2023 will be held tentatively around 2023-08-17 (Indonesian independence day). This time, the sport fes will be held on a separate server just like in Hololive Sport Fes 2022, and will be heavily modded. Currently planned mods includes proximity chat, and any Minecraft modders that are interested in submitting their works for the Sport Fes can contact Moona for details.

With all the behind-the-scenes drama at NijiEN, I wonder if Hololive could move in and snap up some of the better ones.

>>42484528
You do it yourself, faggot. It is your claim after all.

>>42484426
Just because they love numbers doesn't mean that they can do math

>>42484530
>someday
They're competition right now. They're getting 50k+ on special events

>>42484553
>some of the better ones.
Who?

>>42484564
Post proof nigger. Also, Niji events usually get >100k

>>42484502
>but apart from him, 20k or lower
You are letting their "new normal" cloud your judgement. Can you imagine how weird it would be if Roboco or Honma could pull 20k with unarchived karaokes on demand after weeks of 3k, 4k streams?

That's why it is mentioned as "eventful content", because it is for NijiEN and, to a smaller extent, also to HoloEN in the same way, for instance, pulling gacha is for the JP side

The state of this thread
>Say a metric is correct
>Get told their chuuba is not winning in that metric
>Ok that metric is wrong now

>>42484553
Already proven that there is no good NijiEN. There are several good NijiJPs though.

>>42484602
Scarle Pomu Selen Maria and the lolisex girls

>>42484611
The state of cumbuds*

>>42484602
Pomu, Selen, Rosemi.
Rosemi is weaker than the other two, but much more willing to change companies (she's done it before). She could be the lynchpin that causes the whole thing to tumble down.

>>42484611
Business as usual.

>>42484556
It's your claim that "Gura is comparable to Pekora despite having less CCV". I made my argument for why they're not, which is obvious to anyone with a brain.
But let me put it in a way even a cumbud can understand:
Brand A has 1 product, it sells roughly 10 units per month.
Brand B has 10 products, it sells roughly 100 units per month, with each product selling roughly 10 per month.
Are brand A and brand B on the same level?

>>42484287
https://youtu.be/0BKZFHro7iE?t=5552
I need a "trust the process" soundclip from this but I don't know how to make one

>>42484611
>views doesn't matter except when I say so
>ccv doesn't matter except when I say so
>subs doesn't matter except when I say so
>membership doesn't matter except when I say so
Welcome to numbers anon.

>>42483887
its small in scope, but anyone who is a fan of elira should be crushed by it, its basically her being a bitch and any fan laughing at it is retarded in thinking they are a bystander and not included in what's being said. Granted she doesn't have many fans so...

>>42484603
If you werent a filthy newfag you'd know this lmao
https://vrabi.net/video/mQAhby98UXg
https://vrabi.net/video/zAmNGaw-6qQ
https://vrabi.net/video/khF7WfDjoqI

>>42484611
No that's just cumbuds

>>42484250
Unironically mindbroken by pekoras numbers lol

Do the day timings for the daily rankings go off of vrabi's tracking? Or does the guy that makes those post just use his local time or whatever?

>>42484518
Right, they are good enough to relentlessly shitpost with. Hence my laughing at anyone who takes them seriously or tries to spot trends and my using this place as a thread to get easy (You)s and cheap dopamine for two years.

Why is it bad for council to overlap? looking at the 3 ID stream rn its pretty healthy even with ID debuff

>>42484606
It's just rarity buff + what their audience actually wants to watch.
Like that purple guy in Voltaction is a borderline 3view, but he got like 17k when he did a karaoke because his entire fanbase is musicfags that don't watch streams (his music views are one of the highest in NijiJP).

You can say the same thing for Gura. Most of her fans are there for her singing, which is why her karaoke numbers are so much higher than her stream numbers.

I'm not really disagreeing with what you're saying btw.

>>42484528
>>42484556
You fag claim was "Gura has better VOD view despite lower CCV compare to Pekor" or "Gura has better VOD view than Pekor for those stream that have 10k lower CCV" ?

>>42482570
Hey, i ma the anon who compiled this. Perhaps if you are free, you can also experiment it on other events ie kronii fauna irys recent outfit, towa 3d etc.

>>42484669
It's not Brand A's fault that the management only sells them one product at a time while they favorably sell Brand B's products 10x more
They're fairly the same when you consider product per sale which is what matters in the end

So who would gold today?

>>42484545
Bae has chad cast later tonight to snipe EN gold actually
And then Mori gets it tomorrow with her outfit

>>42484669
>your claim
No, you claimed that Pekora is "outperforming" Gura in VOD view on average, then you proceeded to not do any actual calculations to back that up. You just showed a few of her recent VODs. Just admit you're talking out of your ass and you just said that because you felt like it should be true.

>>42484603
If you need it in image form
VSPO debut > NijiJP debut

>>42484401
Western vtubers are too retarded to reach holo jp level

>>42484784
All I see is two NijiJP debuts.
You can't seriously claim Tsuna would get those numbers if not for her rm

For reference in Pekora's stream, Kuzuha got 22k in his best dark and darker streams. Not really sure how good JP people will take the game, but it was a meta game in twitch last time.

>>42484756
battle of the dark and darker stream, kuzuha vs peko

>>42484761
Oh I didn't think Chadcast would be in time for the 6th, then yeah you're probably right, have to imagine that'll hit 10k or so.

>>42484736
I did not claim anything at all, the retarded nousagi here makes all the claims, I just cast doubt on them.

5234622346542345345378

>>42484784
>literal noone vs famous PL
>5k difference

>>42484602
Zaion with a model that fits her.

>>42484775
>Pekora is "outperforming" Gura in VOD view on average
She is
>then you proceeded to not do any actual calculations to back that up
Because I'm responding to the original claim which is that they're comparable despite not being close in CCV, I said that that's bullshit because Pekora outperforms Gura per VOD while also outputting a shitload more, which makes them not comparable at all, hence the analogy.
Do you have trouble following a conversation or what? Also answer the question, are brands A and B comparable?

The thread currently

>>42484852
>She is
No she's not.

This is still a better thread than last night

https://twitter.com/uraakapeko/status/1622484793215844352?s=46&t=HdiPTeDGeFAWV7CEMv6gYA
Bros she is buying the DQ slime merch again

So fucking boring, haven't we've seen this schizo argument before already?

>>42484869
Prove it by doing what I said then. Also answer the question, are they comparable or not?

>>42484756
Sauce?

Comparing Pekora to Gura can't be done straight by numbers when they are in different markets. There are fewer weebs in the west. It's not like another vtuber overtook Gura. They both are at the top of their respected markets.

>>42484724
We go by JP time which is also what the numberfag sites use

>>42484894
I see, figured but just wanted to confirm, thank you.

>>42484736
It's like 2 children fighting. Endless arguments because they're talking about 2 different things.

>>42483037
ah fuck why did I see this just before I have to step outside...
I'll make it into a proper yab if there's enough material when I get back

>>42484732
>You can say the same thing for Gura. Most of her fans are there for her singing, which is why her karaoke numbers are so much higher than her stream numbers.
So you're essentially saying that Gura is treated like the EN vsinger?

>>42484803
>>42484839
Anon was asking for proof of VSPO getting 50k+, I just picked one that proves him wrong, there are other examples.

>>42484852
>Because I'm responding to the original claim which is that they're comparable
They are though. You started this by shitting on Gura and claining Peko has better VOD views. I see most of Peko's VODs are around 300k-400k and so was Gura's. Then you moved goalposts and started talking about averages and all the other bullshit. Jesas, you are so fucking retarded.

>>42483037
holy based

>>42484877
Nah last night was great

And while no one noticed Marine is active again. Both in stream and social media
She is gushing over cute donuts and answering fan tweet
https://twitter.com/houshoumarine/status/1622484520816775170?s=46&t=HdiPTeDGeFAWV7CEMv6gYA

>>42484927
I guess, but for Vsinger standards, Gura's musical output after 2.5 years is pathetic.
Good lord, is she going to sing Reflect again this year for Holofes?

>>42483037
Elira you're fucking dumb for getting your ass twisted, you're a fucking product. Act like one.

>>42484927
>So you're essentially saying that Gura is treated like the EN vsinger?
Hololive? No. Her fans? Yes.

>>42484886
You do it, anon. It is your claim that Pekora has better VOD views on average. Or that the average of all the VODs is better. Or whatever bullshit you actually want to be the real metric.

>>42484852
They are comparable tho lmao.
Gura had like a 2 year streak of 300k+ view VODs and Pekora get around 300-400k for most of her VODs despite getting 2x Gura's CCV.

>>42484967
Reflect Jazz ver

>>42484877
>>42484945
Both are shit.

>>42483037
Smart move after part of NijiEN chimped out on Twitter over the concert. What a mess of a branch.

>>42484967
My cope is to blame her original manager, before she switched at the later part of 2022.

https://www.youtube.com/live/TPa8Gqj75kI?feature=share
Gold

>>42484564
Good numbers but still not a competition for niji but it seems like VESPO is inclining while niji isn't

>>42484927
An indie vsinger has better output than Gura....

>>42484967
>Good lord, is she going to sing Reflect again this year for Holofes?
Oh god it just hit me lmao. Has anyone ever debuted an original at Holofes? I feel like that could be an option.

Gura sperm donathon soon

>>42485038
That depends, is Airman a Korone original?

>>42483321
yeah but we are talking about niji here

>>42485024
It's a day away, but almost 5k likes 26 hours before stream starts, for NijiJP nonetheless, seems like it'll be a 80k stream honestly.

Nijisanji JP and VSPO streams

>>42484936
>Then you moved goalposts and started talking about averages and all the other bullshit
Nope, I never moved goalposts, Pekora has better averages (or at least had last year) WHILE having a lot more streams
Which is why I said they're not comparable at all.
If you can't see why having more (or equal, even slightly less) per video while also putting out many times more streams makes them not comparable, then I'm sorry but you have a 70IQ. Hence the analogy I posted above (which you still haven't replied to, by the way).

>>42484145
HoloCN never left

>>42484965
I'm annoyed because I was having fun watching /ahoy/ melt down when it looked like Marine was finally ditching her fans like she's always wanted.
Oh well, it will happen eventually this year. She can't keep up the act for much longer at this point.

If singing is the best buff, why does EN singer/cover got abysmal numbers. If we compare it to ID/JP singing chuuba.
>suisei/towa etc moona/kobo

>>42484965
Thanks to that hug with Gura.

>>42485103
Shark cunny revitalized her

>>42483113
Niji lives off projection. Why do you think their fans come in here to shit?

>>42485038
Marine did her One Piece song at Holofes last year months before she released the MV for it.

Mori: Released like fucking 50 songs last year so she can pick anything
Kiara: Sparks or DO U
Ame: Chiku Taku
Ina: Violet again?

>>42485024
So Mori got no chance at Gold lol

>>42485127
>Mori
>Gold

>>42485038
I dunno about holofes but Towa debuted Palette at Bloom.
I'm half expecting a startend original debuting at holofes

>>42485127
>>42485024
>26 hours away
But yeah good for tomorrow

>>42485089
>Pekora gets more views per video
This you?