/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>42356265
If you're really that curious do your archive reps instead of trying to start another time loop

>>42356265
Kronii's was much much worse.
But that doesn't excuse Amelia.

>>42356265
She hasn't collabed with males ever since unlike Kronii

>>42356265
Because Kronii was worse?
Going back and forth, lying, "unfortunately idol culture is a thing".
She basically keep adding fuel to fire on every occasion.

>>42356265
Ame never lied to her fanbase or disrespected the values of the company she works for. She has also contributed A LOT to EN vtubing, whereas Kronii has contributed nothing of value and got paid just as much. Kronii is worse and this is coming from someone that hates Ame.

>>42357439
>Ame never lied to her fanbase
I agree with all you said except this part. She told them her content wouldn't change and that she would only join if it was a group collab, she proved that wrong immediatly by hosting a male worms tournament herself the next month.

>>42357540
which was a group collab, and hasnt had another collab since

>>42356265
Everybody on this board loves Amelia so when she decided to welcome the homos that almost nobody here wanted she generated a lot of seethe, myself included. Some got over it, some act tsundere but still watch her and some turned into actual antis.

Kronii was all wishy washy about it and didn't want to fully commit to it at first, and kept making the situation worse with stupid comments and braindead ideas to compromise. While Ame just fucking ripped the bandaid off.

>>42356265
Ame didn't have unicorns because they were already filtered near Myth debut.
Kronii unironically had the biggest unicorn fanbase in Council and one of the biggest in HoloEN. A lot of them were also doxfags. Basically her fanbase was pure cancer.

>>42356265

>>42358105
I actually read all of that. Good high effort posting.

>>42356265
>Kronii was generally indecisive and kept trying to find a nonexistent middle ground (tacitly accepting that there’s merit to unicorn concerns)
>Ame made a decision and stuck to it
>“unfortunately idol culture is a thing” is a more inflammatory phrase than “improve yourself”
>Kronies are one of the most mentally ill fanbases in HoloEN

>>42356265
Ame's only done group collabs with homos and the "improve yourself" thing
Kronii's has done 1-on-1 homo collabs, apparently has more genuine laughs in said collabs (dunno, didn't watch), and flip-flopped on homo collabing in the worse way possible for like a week or so

>>42357439
This is what mental illness and parasocial relationships both fueled by loneliness looks like.

>>42357439
>She has also contributed A LOT to EN vtubing
Name a few things please.

Kronii also killed her kitten through negligence

Kronii turned out to be a lying, spiteful piece of shit, who cried to management and they had to put out a statement and hold her hand. Watson was the same smuggo bitch as always, teacucks were already used to Ameway, but Kronii's sudden sperging caught everyone off guard. And then she just kept digging the hole deeper, unlike Watson. She's 100x smarter than Kronii, she knew what she was doing, made her point, then it's back to earning money. Kronii is just a goddamn moron.

>>42356955
It was only much worse cos it was more relatable. For all those guys who've asked out a girl and they said no only for the girl they've been interested laughing genuinely at another guy is painful. It basically triggered unwanted memories for guys, even those who have girlfriends atm. The laugh was so true genuine to god that you lost spirit.

>>42359553
NTA but for starters she made her own 3D studio that Kiara used for her concert. She also is the one who got them into VR chat so that they could have pseudo 3D streams and often is the camera man for them. Ame's organized a lot of group collabs whilst Kronii just accepts invitations if sent to her.

>>42356265
Nobody gives a fuck about Amelia Watson these days.

>>42360221
Didn't she also commision the chibi models? That girl works hard, genuinely. I have so much respect for her even if i don't watch her

>>42357439
She said cross branch collabs would only happen every now and then, but then she decided to organize a three week collab series, joined the gratic phone collab and did the astroneer collab, which she wanted to become another collab series, but it wasn't received that well, and all this happened in the span of a month.
She has done better to quench her homolust on stream, but I haven't watched her after that

>>42360369
Christmas cover, the VR world, designed merch 2nd the most behind Ina, 10 minutes Smol Venture, a new karaoke sync program, ametaverse, & shit tons of other work because she got so embarrassed being credited, she asked others to remove her from the credit.

>>42360369

Sort of, several were made for free (and unprompted by Ame) by a dedicated fan, it was only after that did she apparently give the person money to make more.

>>42356265
she likes money, after worms she hardly mentioned homo

>>42360495
She un-monetized her own streams now.

>>42359553
Outfit predictions with art was done first by her before Coco did it iirc, she started the trend of leg pngs that all of holo started doing after she did. She built the 3d studio, was responsible or helped with almost every event stream holoEN had in their first 2 years including for example councils anniversary. She gave people like Kanauru a chance who have then gone on to work with hololive officially creating music videos along with all his help for Guras birthday live and Kiara's 3dlive. Her constant use of Vrchat to make up for the lack of official 3d for so long resulted in an offical partnership between them and cover for holomeet.
I am sure I am still missing things.

Say what you like about Ame but she has been nothing if not influential.

>>42360495
LOL
LMAO

>>42356265
If you were actually there in the early months of Myth you'd know Ame's oshi is Shien and has mentioned watching him a few times. Kronii absolutely hasn't mentioned or even acknowledged any male until Vesper came along and then she's now the EN who's collabed the most with them next to Mori.

>>42360369
As she has said in her chikutaku game release stream and members posts, she works hard in spurts and potatoes between them
I appreciate what she provides for EN, but I'm frustrated at her tendency to procrastinate and abandon projects on the fly

>>42360462
This was pretty funny
https://streamable.com/s4fb0s

>>42360462
This was pretty funny
https://streamable.com/s4fb0s

>>42360330
Why are you here though? In a thread that's discussing her and Kronii?

>>42360789
>They are just normal people, I don't see them as any different
>Had to address the tempus question before they even debuted
>Has self imposed rules for collabing with them
>Won't call into their birthday totsus
>Knows she has to "balance" them out
>Knows her fans are sensitive about them

I love Ame but even if she wants to treat them as normal people no different from collabing with hololive members it is completely fucking obvious she doesn't and her doing whatever she wants is just cope. She is painfully aware that most of her fanbase just tolerates the homos instead of enjoying them but she is also incredibly stubborn so trying to force her to do anything was always a losing game.

Things have calmed down since the collabs came to a hard stop and she doesn't seem to have any interest in starting up the drama over again so my best guess is this is her way of bowing to her fanbase without giving the schizos sending condom money for Altare superchats the satisfaction of thinking they were the primary reason. Or I could be wrong and she might start saviorfagging tempus2 after valentines day and holofes

>>42360585
Didn't her mane-chan force her to turn it back on

>>42361251
Yes, then she turned it off again next stream.

>>42360789
>She actually apologized to the unicorns
I don't know how to feel about this.

>>42360789
When was this? Before or after?

>>42361503
It was after the astroneer collab

>>42360789
>I get that there's separation between Stars and stuff... But i just see them as people.
That's the nail in the coffin, she doesn't care about the walls Hololive built

Because Amelia's a good VTuber on her own, it's as simple as that.

>>42361761
She's the Sora Fubuki of Holo EN.
The pillar & the foundation of EN.

>>42361761
>she doesn't care about the walls Hololive built
Bruh, blame that on Yagoo. It stopped being an idol company a long time ago. It's like complaining that pro wrestlers of today aren't keeping kayfabe 100% of the time

>>42362374
>It stopped being an idol company a long time ago
According to management Hololive is not an idol company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h9opriUmu0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUKCb4NmpEs

>>42361210
Well put. I personally can't watch any holo that doesn't understand that most holo viewers aren't there for mixed collabs or just ignores that fact.

>>42361761
That’s not what she was saying retard

>>42361251
And now she’s playing games that require her to turn it off.

>>42364858
She's somehow scared of getting gachikoi again, but not fully looking at some of her member posts. Ameway never makes sense

>>42366012
She is just too kind to take more money from her fanbase, it's not rocket science. Some people are just that kind with no ulterior motive.

>>42366294
She should get rid of membership then. Someone might accidentally get parasocial

>>42367313
She is fine with parasocial though.
The point is only taking what she needed and she already said to her fans to spend the membership money on something more useful.
God, she is just too kind sometimes.
She even overdid the charity rewards despite losing a lot of money on the event.

>>42367692
She is a saviorfag. I guess she takes pity on the remaining parasocial teamates and feels too guilty taking their superchats

>>42356265
Kronii's fanbase is full of mentally ill retards. Kronii tried to have her cake and eat it. She wanted to do whatever the fuck she wanted while still receiving boatloads of gachikoi money from her insane fanbase. She spent 2 weeks trying to appeal to a middle ground that doesn't exist in an effort to keep her status as one of the biggest holos. It predictably failed.

>>42360495
This is how you know this anon is a terminal cataloguefriend, Ame is one of the least concerned over monetizing her streams and frequently turns off superchats

>>42360495
>amelia
>money
these are the people consistently shitting up the catalog by the way.

I like how Ame antis have to bend themselves into a pretzel to somehow attach ulterior motives to Ame. Shows what ugly-hearted creatures they really are.

>>42369585
It's not hard to understand that since her youth she has been a terminal saviorfag and contrarian. That affects how she treats the homostars and her fans

>>42356265
Everyone already knew Ame was used goods and not worth the effort

>>42358105
Good post, best explanation of the situation

>>42356265
She went from being the face of global and /vt/ to being an afterthought
It's less due to her shitting on unicorns and more to the fact that she acts like a fucking bitch all the time and treats her fans like garbage.
If she were your girlfriend, you would have broken up with her. She's not a girl you enjoy being around for long periods of time.

>>42359959
Stop saying this in every homothread since fucking august, you are the only anon who actually thinks like that.

>>42370932
lol, lmao

>>42356265
/vt/ doesn't actually care about the whole unicorn/idol culture shit. They just want drama to talk and make shitposts about. As soon as new drama comes, the last one is dropped and forgotten. I've been on this board since it began 2 years ago, and it keeps happening over and over again.

>>42369387
turning off SC is just a form of coping. she knows theres expectation on her as a company employee, not a free agent, and the payment of that is superchats and deeper fan interaction. so she lets herself off scott free when she doesnt accept payment in the first place. its pre meditated stop-gap.

>>42373143
That's a good 90% true. This is just a mean girl drama board for neckbeards and /pol/adjacent permavirgins to vent at streamers which are mostly women in this space.
The other 10% are deep into the blackpilled hole and are one yab from necking themselves if it causes their oshii to graduate for good.

>>42373203
>>42369585

>>42356265
Despite her comments she still gives unicorns a bit of crumbs with her whole "I will only do group collabs. I will never do 1 on 1s with a dude" stance

Also in her case it felt more like she just used them to play her big group games

>>42373424
Vtubing is the red pill of a generation to the awfulness of women.

>>42373486
the exact same can be said of people who bend themselves into a pretzel to somehow explain away the actual malicious shit shes said in streams.
what i said merely shows that shes trying to separating herself from anxiety and guilt, that she understands will come her way, if she acts the way she wants. not her being explicitly malicious.
how is it unreasonable to tie what shes said into the actions she takes?

>>42357540
>she would only join if it was a group collab
>then hosts a group collab where she joins
Where was the lie anon?

>>42371032
Ehh i agree with him, kronii revealed just how much of a persona she puts on during that stream because she turned into a completely different person as soon as a man was on stream, the super genuine laugh proved that to a lot of us, it’s the first time kronii peeled back her mask and a lot of people noticed, it ruined the rest of her content cause now we were all acutely aware of how fake she is

>>42373841
This is based, teacucks are fucking pathetic, probably because their oshi is a terminal sidekick, despite being set up as the main character for her branch, she just looks so much better in someone else’s shadow

>>42373841
what did she say that was malicious

>>42356265
Ame has always been like this. She's cultivated a fanbase that outside of the few crazy unicorns. Kronii on the other had did the exact opposite of cultivate her fanbase, than was surprised when that ended badly.

>>42369300
Good comparison is Kiara. Fanbase is just as deranged and you see how she bends over to keep that going. Kronii didn't think she could do it.

>>42360462
Worms tourney was pretty good but it was clearly a case of the other EN girls letting her down when it came to doing something she really wanted to do for months (Mori and Kronii basically only joined when they saw a large group already formed).
Gartic phone collab was cause Ollie begged her to fill out an empty slot.
Astroneer wasn't well received since it's a shitty stream game and even the others playing it got bored (not to mention they self segregated for the most part).

>>42374460
the initial improve yourself conversations. and parts of the subsequent one (during the worms collabs or after not sure but separate from the next convo i speak of.) if you scroll up to the streamable above. she notes that she knew parts of her fanbase are sensitive. which means she knew she would hurt and upset people by doing what she did, yet did it anyway.

these sensitive people, likely downtrodden in real life but none the less looking to escape that and enjoy a particular kind of content for a short while. content that they were able to get unchanging from Ame for well over two years. was suddenly redirected and then subsequently told to fuck off, and that despite knowing full well the pain shed cause would do the ameway anyway. how altruistic savior fagging of her.

>>42361210
For saviorfagging, I think she just felt like she should've helped them out getting their foot in the door but now it's their own responsibility to help each other out with the 4 new guys. Even Mori doesn't saviorfag them anymore when she was constantly promoting them early on. Mori mostly only cares about Magni and Vesper and Ame seems to only like Magni somewhat these days.
>>42374658
Kiara does whatever she wants and her fanbase will go along with it. She brings up the homos more than any of the other girls whose name isn't Mori/Kronii but she still has no interest in collabing. She talks about her male/female real life friends a lot so it's not like they go apeshit when she mentions a male. What you fags don't remember is that when Kiara asked the "Can I collab with males?" question to her chat, it was directly after Mori got her condom money SC and the lean arc.

>>42375076
after watching the streamable again, the second instance i speak of is the third one i mention. so dont read the parentheses part. other than that my statement still stands.

>>42356265
Ame had a lot more time to filter the unironic unicorns and goslings from her fanbase in the first place, for example the Amegeddon happening just a short while in after debut, plus she never made it secret and was quite open and public about her liking the Homostars (jps, since they were the only ones around at the time), so it was there for anyone who wanted to see and no one but the most deluded gosling could believe she would ever be a complete no-males pure idol or whatever. Plus, what with her having a general "gremlin" personality, her being antagonistic and pissy with her fanbase wasn't also much of a surprise anymore, so it made much less waves but was almost expected. Also she had built up a lot of goodwill with her background support and projects that pushed the branch forward, which blunted some of the impact and her support of the males could charitably interpreted as just being another way of her unity.

With Kronii though, her fans just had much less time and preparation to deal with the sudden switch. Hell, some of them even deluded themselves previously that she was toootally some man-hating lesbian, based on roommate crumbs, so they thought she was "safe". Well, cue the males debuting, and boom she's suddenly now all over their dicks, which caught her fans by surprise (much more than Ame and her fans, because see above), which coupled with her less than ideal way of expressing herself about it evaporated a lot of goodwill in a very short time, and unlike Ame she doesn't really have anything else going for her that she contributed to the branch which would counteract that. Also, her backlash had more impact because unlike Ame she made the mistake of trying to engage it, which (coupled with her suboptimal way of talking about it), only furthered the backlash because it gave the opposition just more attention (basically rule number one on the internet, don't engage lol), which coupled with her general menhera nature gotten so bad that even Cover had to step in and actually issue a statement (again, only bringing more attention and making the issue bigger than it needed to be)

>>42375307
>when Kiara asked the "Can I collab with males?
IS this the secret? DO we just want to be asked? If Ame asked first and just did whatever she wanted after would the backlash have been
smaller?

>>42375076
>the initial improve yourself conversations. and parts of the subsequent one (during the worms collabs or after not sure but separate from the next convo i speak of.) if you scroll up to the streamable above. she notes that she knew parts of her fanbase are sensitive. which means she knew she would hurt and upset people by doing what she did, yet did it anyway.
what's malicious about it?

>>42361368
She didn't, it was incredibly passive-aggressive.

>>42375659
the backlash would be far far less but the results would stay the same. in the end people on a sliding scale are mostly indifferent to down right disapproving of it, at least in this instance. if your able to understand this why ask at all.

>>42358105
Tldr i cant read

>>42376056
Kronii tried to reconcile with unicorns only to turn around and tell them to fuck off in less than a day

>>42374948
It was still dumb of her to do pretty much weekly collabs with tempus for a month after saying they would only happen every now and then. Especially when she knew a lot of her fans weren't into that

>>42375659
The problem with Ame is that she attacked her fanbase (which she like to do anyways, its her thing) after giving a pretty good explanation. Not like it really matters anymore since she barely collabs these days anyways and if she does it's almost always girls only.

>>42375711
>malicious; having or showing a desire to cause harm
she knew she would cause harm to the sensitive people who dont like the collabs and change in direction. instead of simply doing that without comment, which would merely be callous, she instead desired to prod the subjects with comments that accomplish nothing, except belittling their way of life and method of thinking. when she has no way of knowing what circumstances cause these people to become sensitive.
this only further proves that she isnt a savior fag or a nice person, as she quite willing to disregard people who may be in need of help, in favor of people on the verge of success.

>>42358105
i agree with all that except the member stream, if you watched it you could tell she was shitting all over her fans. she said things like "I don't think I was ever GFE", "it was never part of my brand", "help me understand why you have a problem with it", remember when she pulled out some article on why parasocialism is bad. The point is in that stream she never tried to sympathize with her unicorns, she basically told them to shut up and pay her, the only reason she told everyone to not start drama was because she didn't want that to be the whole conversation around her channel. The whole reason she uses the dumb sandwich/spider memes was to deflect from the homo collabs, her stupid self imposed rules were a futile attempt to assuage her unicorns.

>>42377089
You still haven't posted this malicious comment she said

>>42377330
dont be a retard. iv made reference to the exact conversations she had. https://youtu.be/FJ0CDB8qfzI?t=1840 https://streamable.com/s4fb0s
im not going to transcribe these for you. if you have a different take on why she would say such things be my guest.

>>42378092
>You should do something productive instead of crying about male collabs (very few ones at that)
Seems like pretty good advice to me

>>42378254
so according to Ame, people trying to keep their favored form of relaxation is not a productive application of their time. therefor it belittles their efforts. and she herself cant throw stones in this glass house, as she tries to be a productive member of hololive, then fails to do so by her own admission. further insinuating a haughty attitude towards these people.

>>42377183
I am not a member so this anon might as well be talking shit.

>>42378863
If not even five male collabs disrupt your "relaxation" and turns you into some weirdo seething in the comments (calling her a whore and etc)than you should improve yourself. She also said you don't have to like male collabs she's not forcing some of so terrible thing upon you
If you don't like the once in a blue moon Collab skip it. This is my last reply to you, you can keep complaining about something that happened months ago if you want, or move on. Your choice

>>42356265
Because she fucked up hard but then Kronii fucked up even worse

>>42379488
youve brought up no objective refutation to any claim iv made. you are spent logically and thats fine. i accept your surrender. but dont act like you werent here complaining about a month old happening as well. your just as stuck here as i am.

>>42378863
I don't think her bringing it up again further down the line to make a passive aggressive comment like
>I am sorry I hurt your feelings, I hope you can recover
Was particularly necessary either, speaking as a fan who had stuck with her despite not wanting the collabs in the first place I just wanted her to stop bringing it up at that point or addressing superchats about it.
In my opinion the only outright malicious thing she actually did in the whole saga was the surprise Altare karaoke appearance preceded by the "uh oh". That was her lashing out and she felt the need to bring that up and try to explain/justify it at least twice after the fact and has since memory holed it, I really do think she regretted doing that. However if a portion of her audience can sperg out and complain in some cases with a lot of vitriol then I think one moment of sperging from Ame can be forgiven.

Ame essentially made the exact same mistake as Kronii but not quite as badly, she gave an answer in that first marshmallow that whilst certainly not something gachis would want to hear, was a direct answer and free from any judgement towards her fans "I would be open to group collabs with tempus".
She should have left it at that instead of revisting the question a second time but this time implying that if you don't like the idea of her playing with men you need to improve yourself, then at least she would have had the moral highground over all the subsequent sperging in her comments sections for weeks. But as it turned out she made it into a emotional argument that was about "character" first by going in that direction.

Regardless she is a pretty savvy person overall and despite her brusqueness she does care about her fans, I think she has realised at this point there is no passion for homo collabs, I seriously doubt she goes back to doing them outside of the very occasional special event once or twice a year.

>>42382241
kek thanks for this, fun tool to use on catalog threads

>>42382394
It sure is

>>42379488
No one should call her a whore, but everyone should definitely say their opinion. The idea of male collabs is so fucking stupid that she should improve her knowledge of her audience too. Hell, recognizing that people merely tolerate that content should ring an alarm

>>42356265
It's not the backlash, it's how their fans either renounced their status or embraced being cuckolds. That's why these yabs are hilarious. Unicorns are both a blessing and a curse.

I see many unicorns here, keep seething losers

>>42356265
I still think Ame was the worst, and ironically, her leaving slots open from Worms - ensuring that all the girls get harassed for weeks - caused the current Kronii x male arc too.

>>42392416
>her leaving slots open from Worms - ensuring that all the girls get harassed for weeks - caused the current Kronii x male arc too.
That's a new one. I haven't seen this cope before.

>>42375307
>What you fags don't remember is that when Kiara asked the "Can I collab with males?" question to her chat
The point was she got her answer, and has followed it.

>>42357404
>>42356955
Kronii never did anything as bad as Amelia's duet with Altare

>thread on pg 10
>Random bullshit gets posted
>Silence
>Repeat

>>42393806
I'll take singing along with a pre-recorded song than laughing like a teenage girl in heat with the Alucard ripoff anyday.

Ame's a cunt, simple as.

>>42356265
>>42393806
https://files.catbox.moe/wgnb1p.mp4

https://files.catbox.moe/9cnuua.mp3

>>42394658
>https://files.catbox.moe/9cnuua.mp3
So she gets really into the game she's playing. Cute

>>42356265
Because Ame is just an autistic girl who speaks bluntly. When she called Gura a bitch, when she told chat to improve - those were signs of a girl who doesn't understand normal communication. I can forgive Ame for having a disability as described by the ADA, it would be wrong and bigoted of me not to.

Kronii was entirely an attitude issue and she shits on the entire culture that has helped her even have her career.

>>42356355
fpbp

>>42356265
>Improve yourself
vs
>Don't you guys have female friends?
Which do you think it going to sting the audience here more? This place just can't handle how based Kronii is.

>>42399874
>unfortunately idol culture is a thing
>It's not like I interact with them on twitter. *interact with them on twitter*
>I keep my distance. *doesn't keep her distance*
>tells members one thing to save face but then does something else
Yeah man, really based.

>>42400191
Glad you understand.

>>42400191
>one measly twitter reply
>goes months without any homo collab or mention
Seems fine to me

>>42405164
did you wait an hour to respond to your own post just to bump?

>>42405403
No I didn't pay attention to what page the thread was on

>>42406086
good one