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State of an extremely cluttered EN
Reminder that these are the new First Army members.
>>42342987Aunt Louis is my favorite EN
NijiEN is in overlap hell right now.I guess that's the problem with increasing the livestreamers without increasing the audience.
Intern-kun I want a spider lady in EN3
>>42343020woops
>>42342987Graduate everyone in this pic
>>42342699is a little clickbaiter, Fauna even made sure to say that she watches as a fan and doesn't want people to push for a collab, but the AI will just answer the obvious response that is yes
I thought sonny was a flop?
>>42342699>let fauna collab with an AI with unpredictable behavior OH WHAT COULD GO WRONG
>>42342987Maybe with enough time IRyS can reach the "eh" but not embarrassing 6k mark.
>>42342987Enna's numbers look ass outside of Chinksis time
https://youtu.be/NFMmSOWPj_k20M 93 days
>Flayon currently beating Kotoka, aster, ren, and ScarleMassive success bros
>scarle 200 viewers>Xsoliel <500 viewers>Selen under 2k>Huge Propnights collab barely scrapes 3.5kOverlaps are fucking brutal. "Accelerate" lol
>>42343188What is MAISONdes?
Flopsoleil status?
>>42343280Is even worse considering shu is on that prop collab
>>42343280To be fair to the prop knight collab it has 3 POVs. The numbers are respectable if you account for that, it's way more than the sum of their parts because the only 2 non shitters don't have a pov
Who would be the designated center of each gen. I'm guessing something like>Gen 0 Sora>Gen 1 FBK>Gen 2 used to be Aqua but I think Subaru has taken her place as center for their Gen>Gamers Korone >Gen 3 Pekora>Gen 4 is tricky since without Coco, no one really stands out or at least has taken the reigns of the Gen. I guess either Kanata or Towa?>Gen 5 used to have the same issue as Gen 4 but Lamy has really started to take the reigns of the Gen. Botan is still the de facto leader though>HoloX Laplus during their debut but it's definitely Koyori now >ID 1 Moona>ID2 Kobo>Myth Gura>Council has the same issue as Gen 4. Gun to my head though? It's probably Fauna.
>>42343327Still can't believe they actually said that LOL. God I want one of those private discord leaks again, really need to see how unhinged they are at this point.
>>42343289https://jpop.fandom.com/wiki/MAISONdes
based ABe thread. Reki and Rakka cute.
>>42343364Council is bae or irys
>>42343289buncha music nerdsthat one is a KAF song collab
https://youtu.be/y6AQZdGyQmUHomobeggars descending on this clip like locusts to castigate Kanata for adhering to "outdated" and "backwards" idol culture because she doesn't want to do homo collabs
>>42343364I feel like for Council the "center" would probably be Bae simply because that's what they've kind of been rolling with up to this point. In reality I don't think they really have one.
>>42343364Fauna is literally the opposite of a center. It's probably Mumei given cover separated her from the rest of Council at Holofes
>>42343388So... not a Vtuber? Not really important for this thread then.
>>42343364It should be the member with the highest numberGen 0 : MikoGen 1 : FBKGen 2 : AquaGen 3 : PekoraGen 4 : KanataGen 5 : BotanGen 6 : KoyoriGamers : KoroneID 1 : MoonaID 2 : ReineID 3 : KoboEN 1 : GuraEN 2 : Fauna
holy fuck and also, the idea of vox and shu not opening streams only for sonny to get 4k is super fucking grim
>>42343364it is Fauna and for Gamers it's actually Mio
>>42343471>Featuring KAF>Not important to this threadThis place is full of newfag.
>>42343423>less than 10k views>all the top comments supportive of herstop trying to force this drama, nijifag
Oboretaibros?! Your response?
>>42343471Treat it as a special category like TFT Suisei.
>>42343550another essay on community post incoming?
>>42343414Irys is not Council.
Easy 3.3k for Enna, you fuckers doubted her
>>42342987HoloEN incline arc will start after Holofes, doubters better be scared
>>42343507>Gamers it's actually MioTrue, she's popular these days
>>42343550Honestly if he sees this and it's brought up enough he literally would make another six paragraph community post whining about it.
>>423429875k is good for IRyS
>>42343541There are a ton of comments and responses from homobeggars saying it's wrong
>>42343550Why do people keep discussing this? I'm time looping over and over again.
There's still no EN 3 in sight... I'll be hopeful, they'd at least wait until one month after tempus 2 debut to debut, right? Omega isn't gonna give tempus a 2 month debut buff without EN 3 killing them, right?
>>42343423Comments on here actually seem pretty tame. Probably partially because she's JP, unlikely many of these "I'm okay with it" types would be as okay if this clip was of an EN girl. They certainly weren't for IRyS.
>>42343364I don't know why you're even asking this when the 4thfes idol outfit video has the current center for the gens aside from the ones with only 4 people>Gen0: Sora>Gen1: FBK>Gen2: Aqua>ID1: Risu>ID2: Anya>Myth: Gura>Councilrys: IRyS
>>42343423Kinda disrespectful to the holojp members that do collab with men saying that there not real idols according to Kanata.
>>42343364I don't think you can call Lamy the center of Gen 5. She sorta exists in her own universe.
where's median anon?
>>42343522KAF is bad at singing.
>>42343364why do you keep reposting this crappy list, clipwatcher?
>>42343687Truth hurts. Take the cocks outta your mouth if you wanna stand with the real idols.
This epic struggle continues on.
Rosemi deserves better than this
>>42343688retard
>>42343687she made her own definition of idol, of course that doesn't mean it will revoked sora status as an idol
>>42343687Towa is literally allowed to be a whore and Matsuri needs to work harder on making songs
>>42343688True. She's also a Nene anti
>>42343687She's so desperate to prove she's a lesbian that she'll throw the others to the wolves (Didn't watch the clip)
>>42343687A lot of the ones who refuse to collab with homos don't identify as idols. Marine says she isn't and still doesn't do homo collabs. The "idol" thing is a red herring. The JPs just understand their appeal is being a live action Yuru Yuri and their fans simply want to watch cute anime girls and are happy to provide that.It's so weird that a vocal part of the EN vtuber fanbase still demands male collabs when it's obvious NijiEN is a total fucking shitfest because of it. Millie and Enna both created massive dumpster fires because of it.
>>42343364>Fauna>CenterSapkeks, you have to let it go.
>>42343731The horse race to the bottom is now very competetive.Thanks tempoop.
>>42343438Mumei i think in another world could work for it but current Mumei has visible self esteem issues that are a part of her character and it's kinda hard to market someone like that as the center
>>42343731It's funny how I could literally top the scales by logging in to any of those streams and watching on my multiple devices and accounts
>>42342891>>42342916Do their wings twitch when they orgasm?
>>42343364>designated center of each genJust look at the recent idol outfits. The center is literally the center and for those gens with only 4 members pick one of the two
>>42343778Nene and Lamy are the closest members of Gen 5 retardo
>>42343550What happened to Hololive supporting their talents to do what they want?FORCE THEM TO COLLAB FAGGOTSWHAT IS MANAGEMENT EVEN FOR IF THEY CANT DO THIS ONE THING
>>42343816It's funny how hakka is trying to become a holobirb too. Can't they fucking make their own memes? Same with Nijisanji.
>>42343770>Towa
>>42343731Machina X Flopyon
>>42343731This is probably the tighest race I've ever seen, unluckily it's a midget race
>>42343423No fucking point in bringing this shit up again. It's painfully clear that homo beggars don't care about the homos (considering their dogshit CCV) nor they care about Hololive seeing how they have no problem shitting on the girls who ignore the leeches. They don't have a single argument in good faith.
>>42343816Thats why holojps stop pandering to eops
YAGOO if you're practicing English by reading this shithole please save this 30 year old autistic woman
>>42343878Not in my head. In my head Lamy bullies Nene, even sexually sometimes.
>>42343893more manly than any /vt/anon
>>42343816Because they don't really watch NijiEN.
>>42343865Yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_FJicGd1RI
>>42343952You at least
https://youtu.be/1zPtuHG1RgYThis is for you,homobeggar and Nijichad
>>42339986I though people /here/ said Twitter and reddit don't watch streams?
>>42343736I can't believe Lamy mockingly put Nene in a torture rack submission move, fucking bitch.
>>42343364Its bae sadly. Fauna likes to be a sidekick. Mumei has MC energy but she will never live up to her potential because of self esteem issues. Kronii also had designated center potential but she clearly doesn't care
>>42343935What's worse is that the twitter troons pushing this are actively sabotaging EN. Because they whine, and whine about wanting more homoshit and then they get it and they don't actually watch the streams. Every homo announcement gets 10k+ twitter likes and tons of people saying "Wow I can't wait" and then the event itself caps out at 3k viewers, it's fucking pathetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6AQZdGyQmUThe comments keep getting better and better.
>>42343935They pander to me still
do we need to set a standard for grim territories? anything below 500 ccv is considered as part of grim gang
>>42343423I blame you mfs It wasn't that bad before the clip was posted /here/
>>42344046Screencap them, I'm not giving that shit any view
elira said when she cried a few days back there is gonna be a sad announcement today. anyone figure out what that is?
>>42343938rosemi, selen, pomu and elira did it to themselves and same goes for the fucking EN management. Why would they even think Sana or Bae were good hires? Even Amiya and Rye was probably the best shit. Like, don't they know that out of the most popular talents they have, all of them came from honest background. Did miko and pekora have great singing or dancing or drawing or VA abilities? No, they just fucking stream. Ame was one the #2 of EN, until she shits her fans and played debuff games all the time. Fuck you cover, talents doesn't mean shit. Koyori fucking proved taht streaming endurance was the way to go.
>>42344010They don't, that guy is coping. The truth is that Kronii was just more popular to begin with so even if she sheds viewers she's still going to be more popular than most.
>>42344069
>>42344097She's not marrying me. That's the bad news.
>>423440973D cancellation
>>42343938why would yagoo go through a store of broken and used goods?why would you put a plastic cup with a group of fine China
>>42344097MIllie graduating hopefully
>>42344097Honestly seems like Mysta is gonna go, he's been streaming on his roommate account recently and has never been close to anyoneHe brought some the absolute worst trends NijiEN suffered through though and his fans are cancer so I'm looking forward to it
>>42343926they literally are saying "le idol culture killed rushia"
>>42344133bae streams the most in councilmumei and kronii were the mistakes of council. they are both crap streamers that barely stream. if they didn't take all the limelight at the beginning more people would check out fauna/bae and they would deservedly have way better numbers now
>>42343816I mean, just ask them if they say picrel as an idol
>>42343504Vox is there too?
>>42344133Amiya would tank in Hololive without the perms she needs. She's better off as an indie. Based on what I've seen of Rye I'm not impressed. I like most of the other girls in her gen better.
>>42343497This is probably just my autism at work but during my LL fan days, I usually classified girls as either Centers, leaders, Aces, or support>CentersBasically the public face of the group or even just of a particular song. For example, each LL song had a designated center which was considered as a big deal by the fans but the group's centers was without a doubt Honoka or Chika for their respective gens>Leaders The people who get shit done and keep everything moving. The center is the one who has the vision but the leader is who makes it happen on and off the stage. Basically if the center is the captain of the ship, then the leader is the quartermaster.>AceThe top performer of the group. Is also be the most popular tooKeep in mind that someone can serve 2 or even all three of this roles. For example. FBk served as all three for Gen 1 but is more of Leader type for Gamers who has Korone as both it's Center and Ace. Both council and Gen 4, I think are missing not just a Center but a leader too.
>>42344244>Mumei>Barely streamsHow is it living mid 2022 still anon?
>>42344046>>42344085>The high road copeI'm okay that she doesn't want to collab with holostars as a homo fan.
>>42344241They killed Rushia because all their retarded tweeting congratulating her on getting together with Mafu was what made her panic and try to damage control though Kore
>>42344133if Hololive had more slots open Bae would be great, she's a solid singer and bilingual and was always one of the ones streaming when no one else would
>>42343764Sorry, Sora sang on stage with Star AND collabed with male, she's no longer an idol according to Kanata
>>42344097she is pregnant with Selen's child, she's crying because Selen is her sister
>>42344305That guy is samefagging himself, don't mind him
>>42344305her streaming hours are still average as fuck. shes just a lazy whore anon. stop defending her
>>42344302I always thought Council was Mumei and Bae switching the leader roles here and there amongst themselves
>>42343880I mean ...OMG THEY ARE ON STREAM WITH A MALE? WHORE WHORE WHORE, GRADUATE THEM ALLWHY IS THIS ALLOWED BY MANAGEMENT
>25,496: Moona (Hololive)Wait what the fuckI thought she would get way higher number than that
>>42344226None of luxiem have the balls to leave if things were bad.They know they are nothing without their avatars
>>42344370Streaming hours are overrated. Short streams are almost always better
>>42344302>Both council and Gen 4, I think are missing not just a Center but a leader tooI'd argue Council is missing an Ace too. The two contenders are Mumei and Fauna with good but slightly different numbers (higher floor vs higher peaks), and then there's Kronii when she remembers she's supposed to stream.
ASTEL SINGING REFLECThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jgiHsakXXohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jgiHsakXXohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jgiHsakXXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZPfCQtWCg0Marine is such a leech?
>>42344302Ace of council - Kroniino its not mumei or fauna, stop.Center - KroniiLeader - Bae/MumeiThey both do the most for council and even the whole of EN behind the scenes (especially mumei from what i've heard from the the en girls)
>>42344422In youtube i would add.Twitch is another case
>>42344404kaela failed to setup the raidwas a natural funnel so some of the 30k had to re-verify
>>42344370She was either top 2 or top 3 in streaming hours for EN last month, anon. It was Kiara then Fauna and Mumei in I forget what order. Go look at the data.
>>42344331> solid singer and bilingualWe already have Mori, Kiara and irys .
>>42344347according to Kanata, but what about according to Aqua? also Kanata wouldn't even fuck Sora
>>42344381Bae is the canonical leader, but going by collabs and general feel, yeah, Mumei and Bae take turns.
I hope Shuba still keep doing those drawings for depicting what has happened so far in the various characters' routes. They're so good and helpful to catch up viewers to the general gist of what has happened so far.
>>42344435Who's gen 0,2,3 ace?
>>42344329She shoudn't interact with males in the 1st place and then she lied. Korone said it best '' Don't lie to your fans''. The truth bite her in the ass.
>>42344491>Mori>bilingualGood bait.
>>42344404she sucks at stalling, 30 minutes in and 15 minutes out, she had to make time until the end of the stream
Numberfags, I didn't even know this dropped. someone save her.
>>42344435council's ace is still kronii. fauna isn't really an "ace" because she's still really not all that popular mainstream wise and therefore still has pretty average ceiliings. mumei is kinda in between both of them ceiling and floor wise
>nazuna's contract with vshojo ends>does back to cover and naked dogeza asking for her job back>sora feels sorry for her and asks yagoo to reconsider>a year later they make a tweet>"someone is rising from the dead" with a picture of rushia's modelimagine. just imagine the shock if this happens
>>42344504I think with council related merch (before Sana was gone) Bae tended to be the one they put in the center most.
>>42344504Bae has a chance to incline now she's met with the JPs. Several of them have talked about how attractive she is and Subaru is apparently chatting to her every day now. She can easily ascend to honorary JP status if she plays her cards right.https://youtu.be/nRb6PejwWDM
>>42344493Sora is too high-class for Kanata She also still haven't moved on after Coco left and Yui married
>>42344403with how awful Luxiem fans are it's probably legitimately psychologically damaging to him
>>42344370>Jan 2023Member streams not included hereAme# of Public Streams: 10Stream hours: 26 hours 19 MinutesIna# of Public Streams: 12Stream Hours: 38 Hours 09 MinutesKiara# of Public Streams: 16Stream Hours: 57 hours 10 MinutesMori# of Public Streams: 11Stream Hours: 39 hours 3 MinutesBae# of Public Streams: 13Stream/Space Hours: 38 Hours 13 MinutesFauna# of Public Streams: 13Stream Hours: 49 hours 8 MinutesIRyS# of Public Streams: 8Stream/Space Hours: 29 Hours 55 MinutesKronii# of Public Streams: 10Stream/Space Hours: 36 Hours 29 MinutesMumei# of Public Streams: 16Stream/Space Hours: 46 Hours 38 Minutes
>>42344381ProbablyAlot of the EN girls have mentioned mumei helping a shit ton off stream Bae has alot of projects and organizes a shit ton of collabs
>>42344530Ah good, she is still doing them. So simple yet going the extra mile helps incoming new viewers out a lot.
>>42344596That's a sure fire way to tank your rep as a business
>>42344435fauna's mindshare is awful so no way
>>42344097millie suspension
>>42343938Rosemi would never want to be in hololive. She's not the type. She'd have to do idol shit and get paid money to entertain morons.
>>42344453Marine has a box with photo signed of all the holomems, she's used to cumtribute on them
>>423445917 months ago I'd say Mumei was the ace but I think over time she's shifted over more in Fauna's direction with prioritizing her dedicated fans and viewers over tourist appeal. Kronii is the one I think makes the most sense as an ace currently
>>42344556That's unrealistic and generally I find people who have the opinion they shouldn't have male friends period comes from Homosisters pretending to be unicorns rather than actual unicorns. As long as they don't have an actual BF and don't do homo collabs that's all we ask, no male interaction in their personal life is a ridiculous strawman.t. Unicorn.
>>42343687There is absolutely no point in interacting with males.
>>42344695Doesn't help my EOP ass, that's for sure
>>42344453Marine schizo seems lonely, here's a (you).
>>42344596Aloe, Sana or even Coco have much higher chances of going back than someone who got fucking TERMINATED
>>42344226nah don't think so, the name luxiem still bringing a ton of money
>>42344302Gen 0>Center = Sora>Leader = Miko>Ace = MikoGen 1 >Center = Fubuki>Leader = Fubuki>Ace = FubukiGen 2>Center = Aqua>Leader = Subaru>Ace = SubaruGamers>Center = ??>Leader = Mio>Ace = KoroneGen 3>Center = Pekora>Leader = Pekora>Ace = MarineGen 4>Center = ??>Leader = Towa>Ace = KanataGen 5>Center = ???>Leader = Botan>Ace = BotanGen6>Center = Laplus>Leader = Koyori>Ace = Koyori
>>42344717Money is enough to change her mind
>>42344551nta but>gen0 started out as individual but if you really need to fit them on those rolesCenter: Sora/Suisei/MikoLeader: Sora/MikoAce: Suisei/Miko>gen2 a fragmented gen/different circumstance but feel the same as gen0Center: Aqua/Subaru/AyameLeader: SubaruAce: Subaru/Aqua/Ayame>gen3Center: Pekora/Marineleader: de facto Marine but sometimes Pekora took the helmAce: Pekora/Marine
>>42344559https://www.youtube.com/live/4qvYudqkNpo?feature=shareQuick question what language is Mori speaking in this stream?
>>42344798>>Leader = Koyori>>Ace = Koyori??????????????????????????????????
>>42344717>RosemiIsn't she a grifter? Just toss her enough money and she'll do it.
>>42344596there are no meds that can save you anon
https://twitter.com/hololive_ENcafe/status/1621720450710802433https://twitter.com/hololive_ENcafe/status/1621720450710802433https://twitter.com/hololive_ENcafe/status/1621720450710802433
>>42344840doesn't take much to be the queen of midgets
>>42344596Yagoo is a softie but Japanese businesses are serious about these things. If you get terminated for leaking you never come back. Even Tamaki being willing to host her is surprising considering Tamaki herself is a rather ruthless business woman who demands all her talents adhere to strict standards.
>>42344754interacting with males = increase in subs and viewersdo you think Pekora would be as big as she is now if she didn't suck off Jun early in her career?
>>42344596>mikekbeggar itt
>>42344734>prioritizing her dedicated fans and viewers over tourist appeal>proceeds to spam kusoges and fps games for 3 whole months at the end of last yearmore like she just got lazy and stopped trying
>>42344422>Kaela inclines being a stream monster>"Wow hard work is the way to go ">Koyori inclines being a stream monster>"Wow hard work is the way to go">Maybe EN should get someone that streams a lot>"Streamhours are way overrated, quality over quantity, doesnt matter how much"
>>42344329Don't be sad, she's happier now. Do you really think she'd go back to being in holo gen 3? Would she pick another timeline where she isn't free?
>>42344840Laplus is gone anon, you need to accept it.
>>42344646hmm, Coco used to be her comfort woman, now what does she do when she's down?
>>42344440Did he actually? Well i guess hes getting suspended soon.
>>42344734Kronii is mogged by mumei and fauna in ccv in the past few months.
>>42344914>Koyori inclinesDo NOT look at her numbers rn
>>42344840Koyori host most of gen6 collab content and prepare the material too
>>42344717Rosemi is a pure opportunist. She would jump at the chance. Not the first corpo she ditched.
>>42344670The money is enough until they break mentally or give up atreaming like shu did
>>42344914neither have inclined lemao
>>42344917>she's happier now
>>42344917Nah Rushia doesn't give a shit about "talent freedom". She'd go back to Holo in a heartbeat if she could. The only good thing about her termination is that it made her incredibly clingy toward her overseas fans so we get much more interaction now than we did when she had her Japanese gachi in Holo.
>>42344970only because she refuses to stream anything other than indieshit games
>>42344898Yeah but it's in those kusoges where she talks about her personal life which of course is something hardcore fans are going to be more happy about
>>42344970kronii still has higher ceilings than both because sex voice to go along with sex model
>>42345010Would HoloEN really be that much of an upgrade for her?
>>42344881nice
>>42344970When was the last time either could command 15k on a regular solo stream? She's #2 behind Gura.
>>42344329What killed Rushia was her being a complete retarded menhera. The male thing was a complete nothingburger that would've been forgotten in a couple weeks at worst. Some of the Holo girls are still dealing with death threats from Chinese antis to this day after almost two years and are doing fine. Rushia just had to keep quiet and ignore it and every single thing would've been fine.>>42344241Now that I think about it, why don't I see this kind of behaviour towards the zhangs too? I mean they killed Coco and an entire fucking branch.
>>42344717It wouldnt be the first time she jumps
>>42345032Worry about Vox, Nijicuck
>>42344596a phychiatrist can give you all the medicine in the world but it's like pissing against the wind, this retardation is in your dna
>>42344975oh no one stream, how will general trends recover
Just saw that Okayu and Towa did a duet cover a few days ago and that it hasn't broken 250k yet. Is the market for song releases by Vtubers oversaturated? Not saying its one of the best ever but I remember a day when a song reaching 1 million views in 24 hours/1 week/etc. was a benchmark of quality and now it seldom seems to happen anymore.
>>42344836Anon, she's using basic as fuck Japanese. I guess you can say that she's bilingual but I wouldn't call her a good speaker.
>>42343613Quite impressive the amount of people that left her in just 20 minutes.
>>42344596https://youtu.be/GkiCZootPB8Here,cover need downsize to irrelevant to get her back
https://twitter.com/rayp3939/status/1621713990928977920https://twitter.com/rayp3939/status/1621713990928977920NGL, this is too bold to be true in the venue lolAll the pettan Holos are here.
But like what's the point of council again?Fauna - streams random games, decent talker i guess, horrible at everything else, annoying voiceKronii - sex voice and big tits, but horrible at everything else, spams kusoges and barely streamsMumei - karaoke i guess? what else does she even do other than spam kusogesBae - the kiara of council
>>42344889business woman....
>>42345093>Now that I think about it, why don't I see this kind of behaviour towards the zhangs too? I mean they killed Coco and an entire fucking branch.Because posters like this >>42345146 are the zhangs anon. And flips who hold an eternal grudge for pic related
Kronii should do disinterested/frustrated handjob RPs.
>>42345196missing two
>>42345135There's just too many songs these days. It's probably not even worth it to make music anymore. People like Kiara, Mori, and Suisei can pump music views are an anomaly.
>>42345040She was strongly considering leaving it and already has hinted a million times she wants to settle down and quit being an e-hostess. She had no friends in hololive and felt like they hated her. I haven't seen any evidence from her directly that she would come back.
>>42345221NIJISEETHE
Reminder now you guys have 50/50 chance replying to Millie
>>42345066Does any girl in Hololive have #s as bad as Rosemi's? She's about to fall below the Pippa line.
>>42345283>She had no friends in hololive and felt like they hated her. IMarine was very close with her and she was beginning to get close with Pekora with her joining Usaken arc that she was in the middle of when she got fired.
>>42345347In HoloID, yeah.
>>42345196Why do JP fans always exclude ID
>>42345135We've been talking about youtube changing their algo in a way that nuked music views, but I think it's compounded by channels having separate tabs for uploads and live broadcasts now.
>>42345330
>>42344741If they do have male friends then whatever not like I can do anything about that, but personally I'll prefer the girl who says she doesn't have many friends, doesn't go out much, and mostly only interacts with other Holos over the girl who does talk about her outside Holo friends. If it's a larp whatever but at least I don't have to hear about it.Getting comfortable talking about outside friends and shit like that is just easy recipe to lead into a Kronii "don't you guys have female friends?" situation that makes people feel like shit. And as we learned from that incident, people not having friends of the opposite gender really isn't that unrealisticI think it's kinda silly to just lump that in as Homosisters false flagging. I think it's perfectly understandable that unicorns don't want to think about other dude's getting to hang out with and be close with their oshi. For the cgdct unicorns it probably doesn't matter but for the parasocial ones it's something no one really wants to deal with
>>42345221But like what's the point of myth again?Ame - streams random games, decent talker i guess, horrible at everything else, annoying voiceMori - sex voice and big tits, but horrible at everything else, spams kusoges and barely streamsGura - karaoke i guess? what else does she even do other than spam kusogesKiara - the bae of mythIna is good though.
>>42345167T.N6
>>42345395If ENs are treated as second class citizens then IDs are third class.
>>42345395>jp fans
>>42345475You are too
>>42344754Except, you know, she needs them to make her original song.
>>42344798Ace of 0 is clearly Suisei, and I say this as a Pioneer. Suzy pulls respectable stream numbers with absolutely insane music performance. The real question is you switch Miko and Sora since Sora has been the one who's organized multiple Gen0 collabs while Miko has much more mindchair by virtue of her streaming.
>>42345283>flashback to clips of her being awkward about jumping into conversations during group collabs>viewers thought she was being cute and shy>in reality no friends, nobody liked her, of course she felt awkwardLMAO
>>42345395Side brand
>>42345462as a takoCHAD i approve of this.
>>42345135>a song reaching 1 million views in 24 hoursThis has happened literally 6-7 times in all history
>>42345283hello anti
>>42345462Mori is second in EN for hours streamed 2022
>>42345373Then why did she send all that shit to korekore to destroy them if she offed herself?
>>42345347around 5, it's ID2 and ID1 minus Moona
>>42345330We're all Millie here
>>42345457As long as superchat money isn't going directly into chads pocket I'm fine with it. Playing some APEX offstream with some guys isn't a dealbreaker. For me the important part of the contract is availability. If she's actually single then it maintains integrity. If she's fucking chad and also soliciting donations from lonely men that's predatory and immoral. That's my take anyway.
>>42345373Petbottle too...
>>42345135I think getting the right algo traction has gotten even more important. That has always been important of course but before it felt like a vtubers fanbase could sort of kickstart the algo, now outside of the biggest Gura, Suisei tier(for music), a song can just get completely buried by the algo for seemingly no reason and dont get recommended to anyone
>>42345573You're going to complain about that and not the fact that I implied she was a shit musician?it's a meme post anyway
>>42344914Kaela and Koyori both tanked streaming non-buff games.
>>42345395Isn't this in Taiwan?
>>42345566Yes. I am a Mike anti. She shoved her knife into hololive's back, my back, and my oshi's back. If she wanted to be gone fine, let her retire. But no, she tried to ruin everything.
>>42344798I agree with most of this except for maybe the following.>Gen 0s ace is definitely Suisei now. >Gamers center is Korone. I do agree that Mio can be considered as a leader type too, especially now that FBk is just kinda chilling in the background nowadays>Gen 5s ace is definitely Lamy.
>>42345684what oshi? you watch nijisanji after this >>42345251 (picrel)
>>42345554People agreed to do one on one collabs with her all the time. People don't do one on ones with people they don't like.
>>42345373she was pretty close with coco, kanata and haachamaonly one she might have had issues with was festival
>>42344241NDA violation is idol culture now?
>>42345684You need to unlearn your Nijinig posting habits if you want to falseflag effectively Discord-kun. Too obvious right now, that reads like it came straight off the sisters hideout.
I feel like Mio is the centre of Hololive, not just Gamers.Though maybe im misinterpreting what is meant by centre
>>42345648I accept music is subjective and my taste isn’t universal. Even if most of the people who try to shitpost her music are failed Soundcloud rappers.
>>42345251Why do flips hate themselves so much?
how does this add up?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToZPEUA9nYc>7.5k ccv>less the 600 likeswhat?
>>42345457>For the cgdct unicorns it probably doesn't matter but for the parasocial ones it's something no one really wants to deal withDoes it matter really matter? All unicorns are the same in the end anyway
>>42345804You don't know what center means, but you are correct
>>42345924bots
>>42345221>>42345462IRyS remains the best HoloEN
>>42345093It wasn't even the first time mfmf has been caught messaging her on stream via discord. Did everyone memory hole that shit because it happened like a week after Coco graduated?
>>42345924They just get hypnotized by her tits.
>>42345780Bullshit, so you're telling me Pekora doesn't hate males?
>>42345970>Unicorn Holy fuck you newfags are insufferably retarded.
>>42345804Mio seems like she's turning into pseudo-staff what with her willing to do holoearth shilling and helping to organise shit like the summer festival.
>>42345969Don't lewd the Koyote
>>42346020fake, is not her home3D
>>42345924Normies don't like streams
>>42346048Ok Gabe
Holo Tech Tips when?
>>42345804Hololive center is Sora. Leader is Fubuki. Ace is Suisei.
>>42346059Yes and her idol performances are popular and all the girls love her to be involved in such things too.
>>42345457autism
>>42346121>Ace is Suisei*Pekora
>>42345768I don't have one, I'd rather have a bullet in my skull than be a nijifag. I was okay with Rushia before all the shit happened. Even after that I considered fandeads to be my friends and felt bad for them. I wished the best for them but then they turned their fangs at current holofans and most importantly other holos.
>>42346169Stage performance has nothing to do with streaming.
>>42346169Since when did Pekora appeared on first take ? KEK!
>>42346169Depend on which side of Hololive you think is the center point I guessPekora have a grip on daily streaming sure, but Suisei with her TFT now has bigger reach outside of the streaming audience
>>42346123I love Mio too
Casino~~
Isn't collab with Towa also considering as collab with male?
How the fuck are Homo numbers getting more and more grim each day? I swear at this rate they'll be unironic 2 views in a year. The only one who seems to be holding well is Fagni, everyone else is fighting for a 2k box.
>>42346249collab with Kanata is also collab with male
Nijichads, how are we feeling?
>>42346249
>>42346231>Iroha: high impact sexual violence
>>42343816>a vocal part of the EN vtuber fanbase>>42343926>No fucking point in bringing this shit up againYESSTAY QUIET, UNICORNTHE VOICESTHEY WILL BRING US MORE HOMOS
>>42345804Centers, as mentioned, is the public face of the group, or song, or even the specific promotion. They're not necessarily the most popular or whatever either. At minimum, they're like mascots. It's the reason why Sora will forever be the center of Hololive as a whole since she was the first.
my cute wife
>>42346239Maybe this is why our feetfag poster went missing bros
>>42346228Pekora's streaming raises everyone's profile. Suisei hitting the mainstream raises Suisei's profile. The former is helps hololive as a whole.
>>42346328This, Pekora is much more important.
>>42346302Ah, I was thinking it was like the centre like where things flow out from
>>42346249Is towa rm a legit tranny?
>>42346121You mean Marine
>>42346249That's why Yonkisei's bond is non-existent.
>>42343423what's really ironic about this is that what they're doing just to subvert japanese idol culture is literally a form of "cultural appropriation". another one of things they hate because it's racist, but suddenly it's okay when they themselves do it.
>>42344741As a non-unicorn my stance is that I don't want to know. If a chuuba is married great for them but if it's not part of their character or content from day 1 it shouldn't ever come up. At the same time that kind of separation is difficult to maintain forever so it's bound to be a ticking time bomb and the worst case scenario is if the guy isn't just some dude but a crusher tier meme that irreversibly ruins everyone's impression of the chuuba.
just came back after a two months break from vtubingis holoen fucking dead?
chainsawsissies...when are the holos playing our game...
>>42346426you jinxed it anon, nijiEN is dying instead
https://youtu.be/pzatXqt-rz4Important video for every numberfag to watch how broken youtube is currently
>>42346426everyone is dead except Pekora and Suisei
>>42346239is that marine on the right? tits too small
>>42346355No she's adorable newfag. If Youtube was still being creepy she would have snuck in your recommendation since she is very pleasant to look at
>>42346426yes>>42346455stop coping man
>>42346239The image poster is holo biased. For every holo booth posted there are 5 niji booths ignored.
>>42346121Center: GuraLeader: A-ChanAce: Pekora
>>42346353Your referring to leader types then. The ones who basically organize and keep everyone on the same page both on and off the stage. So yes, you're example of Mio is correct.
>>42346121Let us consult the Hololive Tree of Life.Sora takes the place of Keter which is pure unrealized potential, the void of the infinite that is undifferentiated possibility and the ground of all that comes from it.Suisei is obviously Tifaret, the sphere of beauty that harmonizes the powers of Gevurah (Judgement) and Chesed (Mercy) represented by Botan and Lamy respectively.At Yesod (Foundation) we have Fubuki who is the core pillar of the tree and manifests the aspects above, a natural entry point for ascending the tree and beginning your Hololive journey.
>>42346426NijiEN is literally collapsing in real time anon
>>42346501i'm not the one coping tho>>42344124>>42345838
>>42346228Suisei is their major concert closer since 2021. It's not even a discussion.Tbh, aqua should be their next center + secondary ace. Unfortunately, she cannot handle the pressure.
>>42346506then post the photo here, it's not like you can't upload a photo here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>42346355What did he mean by this?
>>42346386Everyone is an imperialist when they think they are right. Never forget this.
>>42346296When was the last time a Niji got a 50k 3D reveal that isnt a 1st army
>>42346426How do you even take break from vtubing? I tried but keep coming back
>>42346563the question was about holoen, nijisanji is irrelevant (in both senses of the word), bringing them up is cope
>>42346010It got swept under the rug since her gachis insisted they were messaging each other for work reasons (music collab) iirc
>>42346554>one little concert is being postponed a few months>collapsing
>>42346616gura's dead
weird how Baelz is outperforming Mori so heavily on part 9 of her Persona stream (compared to Mori's part 2). I don't really get it
>>42346473>taking public metrics seriouslyshiggydiggy
>>42346598Elira?
>>42346538I see, she's for sure at the centre of my heart though
>>42346598Elira obviously.Ofc it falls apart with Finana and Pomu right after that so Oboretai is full of shit
>>42346624HoloEN is doing well lately and they'll incline when Gura comes back and Holofes happens
>>42346625Everyone knew she was friends with Mafu since her NND days. It was nothing that people didn't already know before. It would be like if Kanata leaked she was chatting to Kson and people pretended it was a big revelation
>>42346645Mori was under heavy overlap.
>>42346645doxbeats are suffering from second hand body dysmorphia
>>42346645Persona 5 is a far more popular game then Persona 3, a better comparison would be Mori's own Part 2 of Persona 5 but I can't recall the kind of overlap she had to deal with then.
>>42346253Magni is the only one doing anything interesting
numberchads, I kneel
>>42346575I live in West Texas, not Taiwan. I just smell your tricks.
>>42346653Damn Elira mogs most of HoloEN thenSHUT IT ALL DOWN YAGOO
>>42346085>normiesgo back
>>42346711Except mfmf MIGHT have a penis.
>>42346765literally the niggers of /vt/
>>42346645Mori completely fell out from the Holobox. UMG saver her ass otherwise she'd just be Kiara tier now.
>>42346703>they'll incline when Gura comes backthis is also cope anon
>>42345924she disabled them after starting stream
>>42346765With the femboy thing, the closest thing that would work in hololive would be a girl pretending to be a mascot that was a boy
>>42346766So no proof then? I accept your concession
pippa just made over 3g in the past 15mins
>>42345536Ace is someone who you can always rely on no? That is basically miko.
>>42346854>Kiara tierYou're being much too kind to Mori. I can't remember the last time Kiara went under 2k
Is Hitman a /#/ approved game?https://youtu.be/y8owAbAxAfw
nice "first army" you got there
I would trade Mori for Selen, ngl
>>42346909>going to get mogged by ID kimono revealsWho cares lmao
It's funny how Hoshifags think Suisei is anywhere close near hololive's actual Aces like Pekora, Marine, Gura, or Miko
>>42346910Go Friend go!
>>42345924Nui, please, you'd only have to sing and dance once per year in Hololive, Yagoo is waiting...
>>42346909It is but Botan is not /#/ approved because she streams under the overlap of first army all the time
>>42346900Is she afraid 5g will fry her brain?
>>42346910Calm down 35piss
>>42346905Ace is someone who you pull out to make the big moments, they don't have to be a consistent presence.
>>42346910noon streams look a little anemic today, was there an event today or something
>>42346900Yea pippa akasupa time it's nice and loud
>>42346700Mine is cuter
>>42346900Griftkin Grifta
>>42346909Dunno, but it is approved by me, as well as Botan herself.
>>42346984more like it will blow out her ears and mine
>>42346949>Miko>Gura
>>42346910Is CCVID unironically back?
>>42346765The effect this thread has had on this board is disastrous
>>42343816yeah, NijiJP isnt a thing for 5 years!
>>42346909The new DLC gives alright numbers on Twitch
>>42346910It's a pity Subaru's 13 Sentinels isn't as popular as her other streams, her reactions to the story make these her best weekend streams yet.
why is /#/ biased towards certain chuubas even if their numbers aren't the greatest?
>>42343687>idolsand that's why she stuck as e-cabaret hostess and not someone that actually acknowledged for her performance like Sora, Azki, Towa, Suisei. Not a good streamer like Miko/Pekora and zero entertainment value to become someone like Marine.
>>42347058Still more relevant than Suisei on every relevant metric.>inb4 TFTThat shit is just a FOTM that will not impact hololive in the long run.
Bros bros bros, I think I just had a mini heart attack and im only 28.I hope I get to bang a nip hag before I die
>>42347016lol no. Ace is usually pull big numbers and is consistent.
>>42347029Who
>>42346984I think this fits better
>>42347166are you sure you didn't just have a panic attack, those feel like mini heart attacks
>>42347137Because the fans of those certain chuubas congregate here for a variety of reasons at attempt to shill this thread on them to make them board meta. Necessary side effect of being the most influential thread.
>>42346900Jesus I went to her stream and even ironically how can people watch that? Do they all mute?
>>42347183ESL, please learn what words mean before you use them.
>>42346758Like?
>>42347212I was feeling pretty chill before and after, was about to smoke and maybe I have smoked too much in a short time
>>42347218>attempt to shill this thread on them to make them board metalol
>>42347229Loud is funny is an actual thing
>>42343423This is why cross-gender collabs will be Nijisanji's strongest forte! Heck! Even with the debut of Holostars EN, the frequency of interaction between them and their female colleagues at Hololive EN is way LOW compared to the folks at Niji EN! Separate mincraft servers! Separate group concerts! Separate groups organizations!Only at Nijisanji you will see mixed gender groups like ILUNA and XSOLEIL!
>>42347142>more relevant than Suisei on every relevant metric
>>42346910Subaru and Aqua are no longer First Army.See >>42343008
>>42347142>Sakura "no golds in 2023" Miko>0 ccv shark
>>42347299What happened in May/June 2022?
>>42347330>golds>relevant metric
>>42346910Wanpissbros, did this game flop? It doesn't look very good.
>>42347282(me)The reason im nonchalant about maybe almost dying is that to me, the fact I will definitely die some day is what makes life bearable
>>42347032Idk she was telling people save for merch and that there are better chubbas who deserved it more
>>42347229Hey, she is legitimately getting like $10k on this stream so it works
>Nigga arguing about top Holos againCan we just stop?
>>42347306Miko too>0 gold
>>42347299>Metric that benefits music focused holosIrrelevant
>>42347445what do you mean, it's the power scalling reddit tier list thread
>>42347241In sport(basketball) sense a no body scoring 40-50 won't be suddenly called the ace or superstar.
>>42347394I mean it’s Fubuki
>>42347229It has its origin in her 2view days. Lowering your volume in a panic when a big donation comes in is an acquired taste.
>>42347503He might if it was a really important game
>>42347286If you can't recognise an op or don't think people are obsessed with making boards like what they like and hate what they hate you haven't been on 4chan long enough my man.
>>42347459Gold isn't a relevant metric retard.Towa has 2 fucking gold and she's irrelevant.
>>42347462>Gura>Not counting VODWhat happen to Gura VOD Cope?
>>42346910Nice bait. Still better than 90% of your livers and indies.
>>42347229I like her pipipipipipipi
>>42347587And Miko has 0 golds and she's irrelevant too.Your point?
>>42347587my dick says otherwise
>>42347462>it's irrelevant when i dont like it
Some legit mass hysteria going on in Pippas stream. People dumping red supers, some 200 and 300s too.
>>42347462>This number hurts my feelings so it doesn't matterClassic.
>>42344914>Kaela Inclining from leeching gura and ENs>Koyori from leeching first armyFtfy
>>42347642Gaaaay
>>42347111too many collabs during her signature games category ruined her numbers
Moon goddess or whatever, I see Pekora
>>42347254He draws shit, that’s already better than bore simulator #6283
>>42347650Nearly 8k in 30 minutes?
>>42347462Music number is irrelevant in music related topic. You did realize that we are talking about stage performance right?
>>42343423Lmao that comment section is great. You can tell who's /here/ though
>>42347330>>42347459>2022 gold ranking>Pekora: 57>Miko: 25>Kuzuha: 19>Aqua: 18if gold matters everyone below Aqua is trash tier
>>42347533Nope. That will not automatically makes them ace.
Pippa got hit with a massive SC train and she's at 7k SC right now
>>42347679im sorry your oshi's a lazy whore
Nigga be saying “stream does not matter” and ignore how consistent Gura schedule was in her first year
>>42346645>timeslots>P5 is more popular >actual overlap hell with the ID kimonos>Tartarus fucking sucks
>>42347686If this makes me gay I don't want to be straight
>>42347829Gura is not consistent anymore and even then she usually have like 3-4 stream a week.
I swear Pippa is the only reason Phase connect even has a chance at staying afloat in this oversaturated market
Is Magni the new star of the homo ? He's been doing surprisingly well lately
>>42347650Instead of just reporting on the money, how about explaining why>>42347594Songs aren't VODS you idiot. VODs are stream archives.
>>42347829good times
>>42347744Iofi,Ina, Mumei, Ganma, Marine, Gura, Nene Koyori, Korone and a shit ton of indie Vtubers do that. It's a very common stream idea
>>42347893Yes but my point is you absolutely need to stream a lot at the beginning of your career to get anywhere. Even Gura follow this
>>42347918He's been picking buff content, compared to the rest of the shitters
>>42347918He is spamming too much buffs. Hopefully he won't crash and burn
>>42347783>>42347915why aren't you posting pippa images then?
>>423476507500 USD this stream.
>>42346766>I live in west TexasI’m sorry that sounds truly horrible
I still think people underrate Marine, as insane as it sounds. There are a lot of holos who have one strong point but Marine thrives in pretty much any setting on top of having "star power". If I had to pick just one holo to act as the ace for the entire company I would absolutely pick Marine.
>>42345282>put kiara on the same lvl with mori and suiseiDelusional kfp
>>>/vt/homoposters
>>42347918He's their best hire for sure
>>42348011NTA but people who say shit like this have generally never been to the place in question. West Texas is a nice place if you don't like cities and massive pollution.
>>42347918>LatelyHe have always been stronger than most, if not all of them>Draw>Sing>Host gimmick events
>>42347781I didn't say definitely, I said maybe
>>42347984Gura didn't stream a lot. 3-4 stream/week is just average numbers of stream no?
>>42348036He throat issues hobbled her but I agree. Marine at her best is a powerhouse not even Pekora or Suisei can match
>>42348042>Putting Mori and Suisei on the same levelDelusional cuckbeat
>laplus returns>streams regularly 5 times a weekWhat do you think, anons?
>>42347879A male can't be this sexo
>>42348042Has Suisei's most recent MV even hit a million yet? Been months.
>>42348077That's not good
Oboretai when?I am waiting for your essay
>>42347918Interesting that the karaoke basically got the same as a game stream. Are karaokes not big buffs for tempus?
>>42348148>4 of those are valorant>she stops after 3 weeksi've seen this one before
>>42348106You're gonna be the one that saves meeeeeCos after alllllllYou're my wonderwallllll
>>42347930Meme
I would unironically think that if flayon goes into EN 3 as the first transgender vtuber, it would be a massive success because he has that trap model
Welp, someone posted it on reddit.
holostars should find their own blue superchat gimmick, that is a god way to get a nice number of SC
>>42348169Please stop posting this literal who and giving him the attention that he wants
>>42347915Tenma does 450 to 1000 viewers depending on the game and Lumi averages 700 or so on twitch. But yeah Pippa since holiday season has gone a bit beyond i remember shitposting nijien with her when she was getting 1 off 1k streams now shes like a 1.7k average
>>42347999because moom images are the best
>>42348036cool pasta, but marine is reclining
>>42348169stop posting yourself here spectrum
>>42348218Blue only works for females. Red and black are the male buff colors
>>42347879everytime i look at him i got a bonner
>>42348273Flygon...
>>42347999Since he didn't here
>>42348169change your fucking font now it's disgusting
If I had to bet on phase or idol corp I would put my money on idol 100%. I can see them getting huge in the next year. Phase has a lower ceiling because of the type of fans they attract, there’s not as wide of an appeal.
>>42348036I genuinely think that Marine is the true peak of vtuber right now, not Pekora.She's basically the combination of Pekora's CCV on steroids with Suisei's song number on steroids.Not to mention all the sponsorships that she got.
>>42348273For Tempus it might be purple, Magni and Bettel, how's Hakka?
>>42348303I want to show him my aPEX lEGENDS IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
>>42348273there's no black superchat you dumbass
>>42348036Marine is quite unique in that she's able to elevate whoever she collabs with. I have never seen a bad Marine collab
>>42348358The Holo blue and the male red. Males sense
>>42348273So purple must work for those in between.
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1619171550284107776https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1619171550284107776https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1619171550284107776NijiEN AR live rescheduled to 11th of June
>>42348341Depends on their solo poach they got debuting in 2 weeks for idol. Could be the big break
>>42348036Pekora outperformed her in every metric except subs.
>>42348036She unironically only started beating Pekora in sub after streaming less and release more musicsDunno how that work, but for the vast majority of her career this thread have always put her below Suisei and Pekora until recently. Seeing you guys saying this like it’s a revelation is funny
>>42348341first they need to kick Pippa out of the small corp throne
>>42348434Fuck you, I was in middle of typing "Holofags in shamble". Give me back my chance to shitpost
>>42348434Goobscare..
>>42348125Eh i honestly doubt she can have a pekora/miko average/median if she stream as much as those two.
>>42348434cumpscare...
>>42348434towa baby...
>>42348218Isn't that literally what Gamma does with banana and unchi stickers?
>>42348401>I have never seen a bad Marine collab
>>4234816935p = toxic fanbase
>>42348273But Astel is blue...
> I actually don't mind about girls not wanting to collab. What I DO mind however is the girls not acknowledging the existence of the boys Those clips you guys posted are full of comments like this and yet "ZA BOIS XD" are all 3 viewsThank God there are tutorials about how to fight against this shithttps://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
>>42347930>Instead of just reporting on the money, how about explaining whyBecause nobody knows. It's was a regular light debuff-stream and people just randomly started throwing Akasupas towards the end of it. And they aren't stopping.
>>42348214It only has one comment, they don't want to see it if it's not prohomo.
>>42348344>Marine is so OP that the creator had to nerf her giving her the throat hort disease so that she wouldn't overshadow everybody else
>>42348473Lets just be fair, Unison and Treasure Box are incredible songs and she deserves the elevated status after releasing them
>>42348487>kick out the person who gets 1.5k CCV regularly and is current raking in a ton of cash for mysterious reasonswhy would anyone do that
>>42348434HOLOKEKS STATUS???
>>42348401Where's SuiMari collab?
>>42348434Interesting replies
>>42348192None of them are particularly great though they could improve. You could say the same about the girls but I think people are more willing to listen to a tone deaf cute girl than an average sounding guy.
>>42348558>3view becoming almost 20kProved my point
>>42348610unvaxxed and watching streams
>>42348273anon, i'm talking about the blue SC gimmick, like Coco's or Aki's
>>42348341Idol competes with HoloEN and NijiEN for viewers, there isnt a big massive ubtapped market there Phase (Pippa) doesnt get their viewers from vtuber fans, they get them from fleshtubers and drama youtubers. They have a completely different set of viewerships from every other vtuber group so it is impossible to say what their ceiling isPippa could hit a slamdunk with some Hogwarts legacy drama and get like 10k viewers that has never seen a vtuber in their life. That chance doesnt exist for idol, they have to gradually try to get HoloEN fans to watch them over their former oshis
>>42348341If HoloEN gets even 1% of their shit back together they're going to be hurt a lot more
>>42348605True. But I just want to point out how this thread only start shilling her after all that. Before Treasure Box this thread doesn’t even think of her as superior to anyone and is more of a Jack of all trades, master of none
>>42348704ilosers and xflopseil...
Pekora:>stream: 10/10>music: 5/10Suisei: >stream: 6/10>music: 10/10Marine:>stream: 9/10>music: 8/10
>>42348514maybe, yes, that's how he is in the lead of SC
>>42348446And average CCVAnd song viewsAnd 3D Live ceilingAnd ...
>>42348704hey anons, i think that the more numbers nijien has on their debuts, the less numbers they will have on regular streams. How do you rate my hypothesis?
>>42348752Please refer to them properly as flopsoleil like their senpai dubbed them as
>>42348704Surely Riku will cease accelerating after this.
>selen 1.4k stream>assume superchat reading>its actual gameplay portion stilldragoons explain?
>>42348758Wrong.Pekora:>stream: 9/10>music: 5/10Suisei:>stream: 6/10>music: 9/10Marine:>stream: 10/10>music: 10/10
>>42348473she has more female viewers and a more mature audience, both of which tend to spend more. theres a reason why pekora is hungry for more fem nousagi.
>>42348434
>>42348843Now you are just being biased toward Marine. As far as being a musician go no way Marine is better than Suisei
>>42348758>pretty solid gamer>great artistMarine is pretty top tier in a lot of ways
>>42348843nice try marine schizo
>>42348770NTA, but to be fair, of cause Marine has higher average ccv when she streams way less
>>42346314Cute!
>>42348947Don’t take him seriously
>>42348166
>>42346314right, mumei still didn't tweet her idol outfit...
>>42348166comeback when your chicken can actual sing or pull this number
>>42348893one more week, anons... one more week... then after that week, EN 3... stay strong.
Pippa hit 10k supas.
>>42346931Mori is cringe but Selens laugh AND voice is terrible. KYs
>>42348909No I'm talking about song numbers.Music wise Maribako completely mogged every single one of Suisei's songs.
>>42348434Damn. 1.8 million views already?
>>42347879I never knew i was gay. Now i want Towas meaty cock. Onegaaaaiiiii
>>42349033Maribako MV is great, but the song itself is just above average.
>>42348979That's not her recent MV retard.>>42349007>Counting songs not even from her channelClassic hoshifag.
>>42348758>>42348843Still wrongPekora:>sex: 8/10Suisei:>sex: 7/10Marine:sex:10/10
>>42349007>Not her channel.
NATURAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALINCLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE
>>42349115Wrong thread idiot.
>2.0 IRyS even weaker than 1.0My theory is that she no longer has a compelling storyline attached to her to keep people invested. The waiting for 2.0 arc made her seem like an underdog and that made people wanna support her. Now that she no longer has anything hold her back she’s being exposed as a weak streamer.
Bros
>>42349189is so sad that the rest can keep most of the raid but he just loses it like nijiEN
>>42344025Mumei is more like the MC of a CGDCT show. For an idol unit Bae is the undisputed center. Hell even the Coat of Arms thing council got has Mr Squeaks in the center of it.
>>42349206IRyS has to go on break so fucking often cause she doesn’t know how to take care of her throat.
>>42349206>sub ccvid viewswhole branch reclined anon
>>42349189I fucking hate Tempoop. Stop hiding your peaks you failures. FUCK. Why wont the girls raid
>>42348747I suppose. Understandable considering her fitness in the past
I don’t buy into the throat hurt excuse, how can PekoMiko and even Suisei recover from it so miraculously but Marine can’t?
>>42348704We need more waves
>>42349257Okayu does that better
>>42348758>>42348843>>42349141All wrongPekora:>Strength C>Endurance B>Agility A>Magical Energy A+>Luck EX>Noble Phantasm A+Suisei:>Strength B+>Endurance A>Agility B>Magical Energy B>Luck A+>Noble Phantasm AMarine:>Strength A>Endurance D>Agility B>Magical Energy B+>Luck A>Noble Phantasm EX
>>42348704NijiEN gonna be carried by WHO next week?
>>42348707Idol has more "yab" girls than Phase does. Pippa is just so popular it gives the wrong impression. Her only co-weirdo is Lia (RIP). The rest are on the normal Holo-reject spectrum. All the Idol girls except the eel are actually insane.
Furen inclining?
>>42349025>>42348707Pippa having a menhara moment
>>42349461You should switch Suisei and Pekora enduranceI am still hoping she get to touch Lostbelt saga at one point
Someone brings Watame to the venue
So what's next after Holofes
Can we stop pretending that Suisei is in the same level as PekoMiko and Marine?Even her musics which are her strength has reclined recently.
TARKOV
I don't think people understood my point at all. I didn't even say that Marine is the best, or more accurately perceived as the best at any one thing. I'm saying that Marine is good enough to be seriously compared to top holos regardless of whether it's music or some other type of content. How many holos can be said to have that kind of versatility, at Marine's level?
>>42349502Must be day that ends with y
>>42349461go away fateshit
>>42349306Just going to be another casual 5+ hour stream even though her throat isnt 100%
>>42349526why is Watame disabled?
>>42349526Gura statue mogged
>>42349558But she is a top Holo, no one denying that beside Marineschizo
>>42349271>the rest can keep most of the raidDon't worry anon, Tempoop ruined that too!I think even their audience is getting tired of the raid shit.
>>42349526B-based?
>>42349526is that doll sextoy ?
>>42349598Cancelling the NijiCN concert took a lot out of her so she's just taking a break from walking.
>>42349598She cannot walk after our seis horas
>>42349635Does a bear shit in the woods? Does Towa have a cute little penis?
>>42349545Myth, Councilrys, ID2 3D showcaseID3 3D debut
Kneel to Homobeggars !https://www.youtube.com/@VaporCh/videos
>>42349526Watamage will ruin all of nijiens mindchair in taiwan now
>>42349526Deep in the night one may hear whispers from the Watame sexdoll
>>42349616>4 hr declineTHEY MUST HATE HIM
It's funny to see you guys speak about Marine lol and raise her above Pekora just because you don't like the queen.
>>42349479Sure and with that they can get a lot of vtuber fans that likes yab girls or whatever.But Pippa doesnt get vtuber fans. she gets fans that has never watched a second of Hololive and has never even heard of nijisanji. That is why her buffs and debuffs are so widely different from other vtubers and why her incline was so different from other vtubers.
>>42349616i think you showed the worst example, but i get the point
>>42349726Numberwise Marine is better than Pekora
>>42349696and wheelchairs too
>>42349526Watamage is resting, before she going on a karma streak.
Sold out already?https://twitter.com/Hisame6666/status/1621733088031297536
>>42349734>That is why her buffs and debuffs are so widely different from other vtubersNo her buffs/debuffs aren't any different from your standard Twitchnigger vtuber.
why is one guy arguing with himself about whether pekora/suisei/marine is better than marine/pekora/suisei?
>>42349677No. She has a girthy one. > t. I know....
>>42349774>average ccvless streams = less chances for debuffhow did marine's rimworld do? how about subnautica? she streams 2 hrs max on her zatsu and utawaku
>>42349726It's night time in the west, horny hours. That means Marine is on top.
Rough stuff, but Pippa started talking about how she'd take her own life if she ever dropped down to 100 view territory (or if she ever hit 10k because she doesn't believe she'll ever reach that number again) she's having a rough moment.
>>42349726do you think how many members out and inside hololive compare to her
>>42349726Pekora may be Queen but Marine is Queen Dowager
>>42349839>pekora/suisei/marine is better than marine/pekora/suiseiSuisei is NOT on the same level as Pekora and Marine. Stop pushing this garbage.
holo vs holo, it not even sea hour
>>42349819Tickets for what
>>42349948why did you show up pretending you're not the dude i'm talking about?
>>42349957not everyone is a nijinigger shart-kun. I'm a pekomarifag
>>42349772>i think you showed the worst exampleNah. This is the usual Tempiss raid retention rate which works even for a super reading, they rarely lose any of them, at most a few hundred over a few hours. That guy dropped 200 in the first ten minutes, another 200 30 minutes after that, and declined further from there.
>>42349872true numberstacy talk
>>42349025>5 view>in dollars
>My dream started involving me going full Doom Eternal on the HolosWhat’s going on with me bros?
>>42350001that's why i said the worst example, because flareon and bazinga are the runts
>>42349957SEA is a mindset, not location/skin colour anon.
>>42349872Pippa needs to take a break from /here/ I'm actually worried for her
>>42349695It's the clickbait title that gave him that much views
>>42349812Hopefully she takes down holo fes next.
>>42349872I mean if I lost 95% of my audience and had no idea why, I'd be pretty suicidal too
>>42349872Isn't she inclining? Why even mention this now
>>42349948where is Pekora and Marine's sololive? Didn't they flop their sankisei live so hard that it was dubbed the worst paid live in the history of hololive
>>42349115It’s like saying peanut’s kun is the peak of vtubing because his meme song destroys all holo metrics.
>>42349726I believe Marine is than Pekora. If she was allowed to copy her content streams Marine would mogged her hard.
>>42349206You are right about her lacking a storyline, but she's not a weak streamer. She's literally Kronii on steroids in the sense that she's amazing during collabs and weaker on solo streams, but even there she absolutely mogs Kronii.Her problem (outside of the obvious constant breaks) is the fact that she only has CHADcast as a group with consistent interactions. Which is a group with fucking Mori and Bae and they basically just meet once per month nowadays.An actual MC arc with a stronger group of girls could help her a lot, but she's too passive to ever do it.
First Army members updated
>>42350180pity baiting is pretty common amongst retard grifters who want more money and viewers
>>42349866>Marine is on top
>>42350181>Didn't they flop their sankisei live so hard that it was dubbed the worst paid live in the history of hololiveIs that what the voices in your head told you
>>42350232let miko out, put suisei in
>>42350195If Marine streams the same amount as pekora she won't have the time and energy to do her other projects and her throat will die. I love both of them and watched them since debut but they each have different priorities.
>>42349844>weare going to need proof anon
>Nigga now switch to shitting on SuiseiBruh
>>42350232Remove the 2 on the left as well.
>>42350164Don't worry Millie. We are here for you. We need you to live so the dog can still be fed.
where's the no bitches poster when we need it...
>>42350319he's multitasking
>>42350280NTA, but anon, this live was legitimately awful. I don't think ANYONE who actually watched it will tell you it was good. A good 70% of the runtime is dedicated to some bad skit.
>>42350319You know they would stop if you stopped giving them attention, unless you're the one doing it to begin with.
>>42350214Both are shit in group collabs and are constantly trying to control or lead the situation and talk over people instead of going with the "flow".
>>42350181>pekora>sololiveshe don't have enough original song to perform sololive.
>>42349352>Why wont the girls raidit would be like sharing a bf
>>42350280NTA but name a worse one then
>>42350319Suisei is too successful these days so he shifts his target.
>>42350272Why doesn't she just join hololive?
Hoshifags in this thread have been really insuffereble since her TFT garbage
>>42350468She's not a male
Got this from global you nigga now make the word “Grim” funny to me
>>42350347They didn’t even bring it up on their new years program during the look back on major Hololive events iirc
>>42349734Yup. This guy started stealth shilling pippa recently and he and his fanbase kind of makes fun of the traditional vtubers and their fanbase.Here is an interesting segment in a recent stream where they start browsing and laugh at /vt/ till the end of the stream :https://www.youtube.com/live/VfNkdMJJqcs?feature=share&t=23629
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>>42350272Have her /vt/ simps memed her to a level where she longer needs them or is that inevitable betrayal and transformation into a twitch meta normalfag still pending?
>>42350482Hoshiyomis are actually laying low after her second First Take video.
>>42350221those people who made that cartoon have males, diversity and tr0nsnow they want to do the same to this hobby...
>>42350549I would lay low too after something flopping that hard
>>42350221Of course lmao
>>42350398Anything with Nene
GUYShttps://imgur.io/qgLNzh9
>>42350468Unironically? Her content isn't good enough to cope with Cover restrictions and she'd lose the only thing she has going for her by being an "anti-vtuber" so to speak.
>>42349872Grift Connect is something else man
>>42350608If you click on this, you're fucking retarded
>>42349352Looking at Tempus raiding doesn't do anything when you raid a shitter. Continuously raiding the shitter will annoyed your audience and make them turn off autoplay. Once autoplay is off it could be a permanent thing. Abusing raids like this is only going to end in audience fatigue.
>>42350221add these two
>>42350468She earns more money than HoloEN
The only true First Army>but Miko0 gold and slips too frequently>but MarineA true soldier is not always MIA>Suichancollabs with m*les. she is tainted>Aqua and Shubalol. get with the times
>>42350578It's not bad. Just not Stellar Stellar good
>>42350221That guy is literally spam replying in every thread. Why do homobeggers go so hard
Realistically speaking, can there be another round of holorust this year? No, KanaLuna farmville doesnt count.
>>42350636This. She basically shape her contents around what is trendy on TwitterJoining Hololive won’t let her leech Asmongold or being a /pol/tard
>>42350221He posted about the clip being raided by 4chan as soon as you posted this.
>>42350701It depends on Pekora. If she plays it the others will follow
>>42350535That already happened a while agoCapipis are zoomer normies who want to skinnydip into alt internet/imageboard culture
>>42350682A flop is a flop
>>42350714I guess that's why the sisters seem absent rn. Too busy shitting up that video
>>42350772Post membership
>>42350757Like clockwork, huh. It's always the same story with these women.
>>42350701No. Minecraft new server is just too good for views and content.
>>42350701It depends on pekomiko
>>42350701Only if they drop all the retarded rules thats meant to baby them
>>42350701if the managers didn't touch the game, i might happen
>>42350790Membership of who?
>>42350636I remember when she first went off the rails with the build a bear drama, got bonked by management, and went full depressive menhera. Great day in vtubing history.
>>42350835they didn't touch the game tho
>>42350701only if Towa stops being a salty bitch and organizes something, she is the one that wanted to play Rust in the first place
>>42350810Holorust with Botan as the stage hazard pls.
600 COMMENTS DOOOOOORRRRYYAAAA
>>42350848who does she go from build a bear to build depression?
>>42350858Ah yeah the Laplus Rust dramaI really find it hard to defend Laplus after that
>>42350772And it is not a flop.
>>42350858Towa just wanted to play with her leech friends. It's not about Rust.
>>42350608I need some Mio in my nostril
>>42350858Please understand, she only wants to play with her e-celeb friends
>>42350701They need JP vs EN and ID arc
>>42350844Subaru needs to finish 13 sentinels quick. The game is becoming a number poison
>>42350854who make the fucking boring rule? the game also have bug that make Peko can't do PVE
>>42350883Botan is overrated trash, even Ame and Selen are better at games
>>42350956>>42350950eh has her other accounts and they're not exactly hidden.
>>42350967one of the girls if i remember
>>42350978>ameHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>42351014anon, you said it wrong, it was>selenHAHAHAHAHAH
>>42350978If only Weight Loss is a game...
>>42350636Disagree. I think she is talented enough to modify her content to fit Hololive standards.
>>42350967It was up to a vote among the girls iircSo they killed it themselves, management was responsible for the shitty map in S3 though
>>42350978Botan actually won an event as Botan unlike Selen "Apex predator losing to Tempus, Ollie and Reimu"
>>42350978>botan>overrate> chose 1 anon, don't be retard like that
>>42351077>Pippa>Talented Woah
>>42351077I wonder if she will be as savvy as Fauna.
>>42350221I had a good laugh at this>flair>suise>Chloe rejecting GFE
>>42351113>Selen lost to OllieIs that a weighing contest?
>>42351149No she's too menhera with an equally menhera boyfriend.
>>42351200Watching Naruto really does seem to give people brain damage.
>>42350126>retard seeing an opportunity to feel self importantYes, anon. It's all because of this mighty website. Kill yourself.
>>42351200Flare and Chloe are quite heavy on GFE. Chloe uses every gachi bating trick in the book and makes the ones who love her feel extra special. Flare needs no explanation with all that giggling and sweet talk she does.
>>42350701Reminder Gura and Ame haven't interacted since Ame told her tofuck off in Rust
I don't understand the male collab debateThese women are selling an experience/product, male collabs would disrupt that for significant enough part of the audience for it to matter, and the gains do not fucking exist.It's simple math. Why all these arguments about the philosophy of it?
>>42350272She said that at the very end after hitting 10k in donations, anon. The 100 ccv was the less important number in that sentence.
>>42350468I mean you say this but she literally said in a con QnA that she would ditch Phase connect for Hololive if she got in lolI don't think she'd ever pass the auditions but I mean hey who knows maybe getting buddy buddy with Mori on twitter might pay off
>>42351338But enough about gold diggers.
>>42351200>Fubuki not GFE>why narutard always like this
Towa and watame are better stage ace than Pekomarine.
>>42351399Lets be honest, who in the EN sphere would say no? Some of the more menhera indies, anyone in vshojo except Nazuna, and some of the NijiEN girls would say no.
>>42351376Homobeggars are just antis. Just treat them as such
the correct one
Autistic woman
>>42351587Imagine not putting gura in first army.
>>42351567>>42351376This, they just antis using a homo friendly chubba as their shield.
I consider first army to be the ones you have to remove for Nijisanji to win the month. Last Month it was Pekora, Miko, Marine, Suisei, Koyori, Korone, and Subaru.
>>42351376I think debating the philosophy of it is fun because Hololive made me an idolfag
>>42351528>some of the NijiEN girls would say noWhich ones? I think each and every single one of them would sell a kidney to be in Hololive.
>>42351695We need something like Bloom 2.
>>42350978just that she's not? watch the battlefield tourney where she smoked pros you clipnigger
>>42351695>jfif.jpg
>>42351690and you'd be stupid for doing as such if you consider koyori anything but a third rate shitter
>>42351718The ones that barely know english, anyone in Ethyria, and Elira.
>>42351663Gura is definitely a first army in the No Streams group
>>42351695https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitter-view-original-ima/bkpaljhmpehdbjkoahohlhkhlleaicel?hl=en
>>42351746If you remove the top 7 performers in the company she pushes hololive just enough to win the month.
>>42351376I know, it's that easy but it's obvious that the other side doesn't give a single fuck and it's just arguing in bad faith. I tried explaining countless times to the sisters my point, even from a completely objective consumer perspective and every time they would just go "lol incel lmao cope and seethe". Seeing the homoshits flopping so hard feels extremely good.
So what /news/ for today?
>>42351726Yes, Bloom 2 Electric Boogaloo
>>42351870Anon didn't take his lithium so he is very upset at the stories he makes up in his monkey head.
>>42351870Pekora should stop streaming and takes an idol route.
>>42351376
>>42351766Really? Do you think they unironically enjoy being literal accessories for a bunch of slimey groomers while seeing the HoloEN girls getting the center stage and ten times more viewers, money and opportunities?
>>42351993But her dream is to be a big streamer and if she abandon her dream for something else, well, that is not very idol-like isn’t it?At least she is getting better at dancing
https://youtu.be/EVqlnY0t5pEMARRIED WOMAN LOVE!!!!!
>>4235208720k?
>>42351809who fucking cares, she doesn't pull shit, stop talking about this army shit if you're gonna be so flimsy with the fucking term that you're gonna include people like that
>>42352087the true test to see if her numbers are not a one time thing
>>42351870Sad bae news her outfit is experiencing further delays which made her really upset to the point of tears yesterday. It's likely is on the rigger side bc jujube.
>>42348947Skill issueMaybe tell her to stop playing shits like DQ if she wants to keep her numbers
>>42349007That doesn't look like Suisei channel to me ...
>>42352119>>42352153AZKi's numbers are better than people expected. I'm predicting 15k minimum if there is no heavy overlaps
>>42349007I went to her channel but I don't see this one
Married wouldnt stop me, even if it should
>>42352061Well, pekofags want her to become an ace when people talk about the stage ace in the love live format.
>>42352246TFT is her channel
>>42352121I'm going to keep saying Koyori is first army since it makes you seethe so much
>>42349598Because she doesn't need to walk when there's people carrying herShe's actually very deadly when needed (See THE END from MGS3)
>>42352017They almost had a full concert together. HoloEN hasn't often close to an exclusive concert. Also not everyone wants to be in lives. Selen wasn't happy doing idol reps.
any prediction for holo id kimono day 2?
>>423497262 million subs
>>42352311>Spectrum
https://www.youtube.com/live/R0kw9E4CSiY?feature=shareKanata's sister collabing with males!
>>42352311well, he's certainly on the specturm
>>42352353you're so smart for announcing to everyone that your opinion is worthless and you're fueled by spite like a teenage girl, no wonder you're a fan of this powerscalling shit, nice feelings faggot
>>42352269Honestly, I've flirted with married women before and it's fun. They don't expect anything so sometimes they let their guard down.
Have (You) kneeled to royalty today?Last chances before we wait for next tally
>>42352311Kill yourself Spectrum. Stop posting your own shit here
would it be bad manners if anykara announced a Luxiem exclusive concert next week? they're already done recording the parts, getting the mocap data anyways
>>42352428Reine will be the winner because of the Pochi buff
>>42351376The crux of the issue these people have seems to be some kind of culture war shit. They think the experience these girls are selling and the fact that they act like pure idols is predatory and morally wrong. i've literally seen people who will say shit like "vtuber are great, except the ones that do that predatory idol shit"The math doesn't ever play into it with these people, they think the pursuit of the parasocial idol dream is a moral issue, as crazy as that seems.
>>42352428iofi 100k
>>4235223320k tonight, I belieb
>>42349957Today is Sat t.SEA
So do we count TFT as Suisei's achievement or not?
>>42352465>so sometimes they let their guard downand then its:
yab
Why are IRyS's numbers so shit lmao.I swear now Holo ID>> Holo EnImagine having a sub 5K stream with 0 overlap with En and the first stream since you got back lmao.So much for the " Vsinger " of en
>>42352481Of course not. Riku has to reward the money makers and the shitters should've tried harder if they wanted a concert
>>42352523>Not on her channelWhat do you think?
>>42352478
>>42352536Aki is sexiest holo hands down
>>42352549ID is officially a bigger branch than En. ID has more overlaps with JPs than the En do
>>4235022135p, explain yourselves?
>>42344010The thing about being left with only yesmen as fans after enough yabs is kinda true.I remember during the early days of Mori, deadbeats were the first to shit on her when she fucked up. They did it because they expected better of her and she at least tried to take the criticism to heart and improve back then.After the cuckbeat thing, half of them left and she's left with only yes-men so even if she wants to ask for criticism and places for her to improve now, there's no one left to ask anymore...
Since when spectrum become a thread celebrity? I swear anti one of the First Army is the easiest way to become one nowadays
>>42352311What's the video?
>>42352549ID does more streams ID has better contentID have better singersIt's not that hard if you think about it. On the other hand, the only good En is Kiara
>>42350221https://wesave.chat/user/UCBdcU39IKdecfKZDUp3JL2w