/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>42258859
I don't know what was cover thinking in hiring this shitter holyshit lmfao.

>>42258901
/vt/ kept saying that they will throw all their money at Cover if they hired a trap/shota.
Cover listened.

Haven't watched him yet. Is he actually a /m/an or is it purely lore/design?

I bet op picked an image of when the stream just started, theres no way the numbers are still that lo-

>>42259806
It's nearly doubled.

>>42259530
A Yugo would have been better. Voice is still too low, same range as Ike.

Not to mention the shit ass game choices.

>>42258901
The /vt/ sticky and reddit were literally cooming all over themselves because "le epic shota vtuber".
A month later and he's now the runt of homoEN and is close to being the runt of the entire company because he's close to uproar.
Is this proof that listening to reddit is a surefire way to run a company into the ground?

>>42259930
>YOUR VOICES HAVE BEEN HEARD!
WHOS FUCKING VOICES OMEGA?

>>42259806
oof. At least now he can see eye to eye with his jp senpais.

>>42258859
>Shota
>Flop

Is this too much of a surprise? Shotas arent attractive to anyone, unlike lolis, hags, or muscular men

>>42259930
Can he rival Uyu?

>>42260002
the voices inside his head

>>42260122
It usually takes around 6 months for the debut buff to end. So yes, he could easily do so.

>>42258859
>pump out shit chuubas for the sake of it
since when has cover adapted the nijiniggers business strategy?

>>42260163
Vesper should be at least double that. I guess half of his audience left to see the new Homos

>>42259930
>listening to reddit
listening to /vt/*
This shithole was the one that kept begging for a shota.

>>42260191
They left because he outed himself as a retarded dipshit.

>>42260180
For whatever reason Yagoo is constantly seething about us not wanting to watch male vtubers

>part four of an overplayed visual novel
>appeal to women but insist on playing Mega Man games
>Too feminine to appeal to the bros

>>42258859
He could have chosen a "12 year old kid screaming and ragequitting" personality and he probably would have a better audience than whatever this is

Also what the fuck is he playing

>>42260040
You take that back, I love shotas
This guy is just too gay for me to have oneesan fantasies

I used to call him male gura before his debut

>>42260339
You know the drill. Tits or gtfo

>>42260361
>before his debut
Retard.
Bet you've watched like 20 hours of holo content in 2 years

>>42260306
I can actually see it. The audience would be comprised of other kids, but they wouldn't donate and send twitch chat lingo.

However sponsorship & merch I can see it. (Especially if it's gunpla derivatives & gaming gear)

>>42260339
Post tits.

Could someone tell me what exact personality would make an EN shota work?

Seiso and innocent? Doesn't act like a gay twink? Literally asian?

>>42259890
Doubled from fucking abysmal to just plain terrible… you act like an EN holoPRO vtuber (who just recently debuted mind you) getting below 500 views is in any way acceptableI

>>42260276
Nigga getting below 500 on anything is fucking pathetic, yuko yurei had more live viewers on a fucking sleeping stream and she’s a small corpo vtuber

>>42258859
I told you that design should've just be retooled into a sassy mecha loli for EN3 and it would have tons of numbers, motherfucker isn't even really into mecha

>>42260339
Yeah. This was more or less my point. What he could have pandered to with his model is already a low market, (how many women actually watch vtubers?) And to top it off he somehow didnt even catch the attention of an already low market

>>42260538
>Could someone tell me what exact personality would make an EN shota work?
Be a woman, not kidding. There's a reason barely anyone uses male voices for shotas

And people say that there's no more market for EN3 but no matter what it happens you will never see a EN girl having a 3view stream

Tempus 2 really ruined Tempus, I haven't watched any of them since. They lack the aame chemistry, they're all boring. The Council of Tempus

>>42258859
After uproar and now this what is wrong with cover genuinely

>>42258859
I dont get it, where are the majority of people who dont mind the stars? Where are the thousands that were screeching chudcel at me?

>>42260713
>motherfucker isn't even really into mecha
Wasn't it established at some point that designs are made before talents get recruited, so talents can't even choose the design they're going to get? Makes me wonder why you'd give a mecha design to someone who's not into /m/ then

>gets raided to 1k
>slowly dripping down to 700 already
This guy is actual viewer poison

>>42259930
There is no market for shota in the west like loli

>>42260163
None of those numbers are good by hololive standards, even the biggest run of a female gen would have as many views as all those streams combined at a beat minimum

>>42258859
why wont the Unicorn and CGDCT haters watch these fags...... Gura pls help, acknowledge them pls

the fact that the most successful en corp shota is fucking Kyo really shows that majority of female viewers don't like the average shota type

>>42259530
What part of vt was saying that? Some faggot split or what?

>>42258859
nigga needs to get a job, streaming is clearly not working

>>42260603
Yuko is an outlier in the same way Pippa is. Not really fair. She mogs the rest of her company.

>>42260913
Its true, even female pedophiles here prefer loli over shota

>>42261146
No she doesn't. All of Idol do pretty well for small corpos. They're all outpeforming the non-Vesper/Magni part of Tempus, despite not having the blue Dorito branding.

>>42260795
True. I feel like they should have let them be as two separate branches. Calling them part of the same gen forces some camaraderie that doesnt exist since they are the same gen by name only

His problem isn't the shota debuff, it's just that his personality is Nijisanji-lite and his voice is grating. He's also turbo autistic (unironically).

>>42260795
You have no idea what you're talking about because the other 3 new dudes are pretty good, specially Bettel.

>>42261277
The autistic part would work if it werent for the model. I feel the major problem is his model

>>42261355
Sorry sister. The new fags aren’t so good

>>42261355
>shinri
>>>hakka
>good
Sister please get better taste

>>42261355
Countepoint, i’m not gay so i’m not gonna watch some shirtless homo, a literal clown boy and an edgy anime twink

>>42260921
>why wont the Unicorn and CGDCT haters watch these fags
Because their hobby is ruining hololive to own the chuds, not watching faggots.

Imagine if they actually casted normal dudes.

Tempus 2 is better than Tempus 1 all around. They just came later and most of the drive to watch Tempus 1 was politics so people are already hitting their quota of owning the unicorns.

>>42259806
This dude is the barry Horowitz of tempiss what an absolute fucking jobber.

>>42260885
They design the models and then look for voices to fit them. Granted if you do get far enough in the interview to be hired you're allowed to make some changes to the design but not drastic ones.
>Source?
9-5

>>42261830
>Granted if you do get far enough in the interview to be hired you're allowed to make some changes to the design but not drastic ones.
it's already been confirmed that none of them were allowed to make any changes to the model.
source: i actually watch their streams unlike you threadreaderfags on /vt/ pulling shit out of your asses

>>42259930
We didn’t bully redditfags enough, they feel too comfortable here

>>42261695
Tempus 2 launched like a naked Japanese man hopping out of the bushes, ready to hump some 30 year old business woman.
Nobody saw it coming. I'm here every god damn day and I only know Gavis Bettel and Spandex Lad. There was no build up or hype. When do they stream? Who the fuck knows! What do they stream? Who the fuck knows!
The designs aren't for straight dudes either. Like. Cover. Listen.
Nobody likes twit and shit it for a reason. They do not represent the West.

They should've hired a woman to take flay spot. His model is wasted on a shitter who can't even reach tempiss numbers on his own.

>>42261893
>There was no build up or hype. When do they stream? Who the fuck knows! What do they stream? Who the fuck knows!
you only think this if the only source of vtuber is off /vt/. it was all over social media.

he sounds like a girl, should apply for EN3 instead

shotas are for self-inserting. that's why onee-shota is the best thing out of Japan, meanwhile loli is problematic

>>42261880
can confrim. left reddoot and nefer come back

>>42261929
Let him recast sana model kek

>>42260917
reine...

>>42260742

I have no idea what his personality is like. What model would suit him if a shota didn't? Wasn't his pl popular?

>>42260885
Yes they gave it to him, which makes it weird because hes a fucking poser

there are about 5k total homo watchers in the whole world, they just slosh around to whoever is streaming. the new ones could get 2-3k if they were the only ones streaming, especially while Noir was going schiz
but now that he's back it just makes it obvious they cannibalize each others views

>>42258859
These new guys did more damage to HomoEN than any anti of "unicorn" could ever dream of. They managed to bring in ZERO new fans into the homo box while proving how retarded management is for doubling down on these shitters instead of debuting EN3.
I won't watch them but still based.

>>42262493
This. Even holoen streams eat into Tempus views. They do well enough that I think it's a gross exaggeration when people call them failures but they've largely failed to establish any new market for themselves. Breakouts in the vtubing industry are still largely people who manage to claw out new markets.

>>42261880
Yes i do, you are all truly wonderful. I dont miss reddit

>>42260917
Vespa can easily do double that, which can beat Kiara on a bad day. Not a good look desu.

>>42260361
Retard didn't hear about Gura killer curse

>>42261925
Which one? When they got announced reddit got locked and end up in mini civil war. Twitter also had mixed reactions with many people either saying it's too soon after first one or lamenting it's not EN3.
The hype died before it could even begin.

>>42259930
Actually they shut leddit down when those guys debuted so... it's retarded anyway

>>42260271
I believe someone told yagoo holo should have more gay and woke fan

>>42260361
Anon the gura killer curse is not a toy.

>>42260538
Look at Mashiro. He's rising even faster than his old channel

>>42258859
i love him but his game choices are awful

>>42258859
Should have debuted the homos under a joint nijisanji hololive banner

>>42261355
People said the same for tempiss 1 and all of them are shit. I'll never watch them

>>42260538
Ash Ketchum. Naruto. Most shonen protag. Lad going on an adventure.
I get that it's a Japanese company but outside of surface level Japanisma, most people EN side want someone they can relate to.

>>42260885
Yeah, and hololive/holostars don't have any input on their designs.

>>42261105
literally (you) and I can prove it

>>42261893
>a naked Japanese man hopping out of the bushes, ready to hump some 30 year old business woman.
That Japanese man, me. Didn't read the rest of your shit though.

>>42260271
>Just fire the top earner they said
>It'll be fine they said
Then Niji stole the top earner spot and holo paniked, desperately try to find someone who can take that spot back

>>42263601
I want Rika to smash me with her thighs

>>42263559
Please do. If I said I would watch a trap from Cover the I’ve forgotten.

>>42260271
Yagoo is a closeted homosexual perpetually seething that his grooming subsidy project will forever remain an afterthought joke to a majority of the Hololive audience.

>>42260040
theshota with the topless fag voice and vice-versa.
That would have been for the shota, don't really care about the other.

>>42263601
A-Anon, I can see her...

>>42258859
Those are average holostar numbers
What is the issue?

>>42259530
Yes, a cute shota, not a retard that makes tranny voice constantly.

>>42263868
He’s on the lower end of the average Tempiss viewer spectrum to compensate for being so high up on the autism spectrum.

Fill in the blank!

OP is a ______

>>42263977
>2 raids
>2 hours later

>>42263977
>after a raid
>after baiting in the other fag chat
KEK
graduate this flops

>>42263977
If you screenshot it a sub 1k stream from a supposed unified Hololive production EN branch and unironically think that those are good numbers then you should kill yourself. Get more of the trannies on twitter to watch their kind if you want these 3 views to measure up.

>>42260538
Maybe an otaku who actually is into things other men like. A lot of vtubers are normies.

>>42263977
it's literally just proof of >>42262493
same viewers sloshing around with raids

>>42263977
>The combined might of the other 2 Homo's raid only amounts to this small of a gain
Anon....this isn't the own you think it is...

>>42263977
Jesus
I mean, that's all he wrote in OP

They sacrificed the true EN3 for this shit.

>>42258859
I never understood hatoful boyfriend. it's a horrible game choice btw

>>42264044
NTA but this nigga is on his 10th hour on a shitty meme JRPG. I'm surprised anyone is even watching.

>>42264215
Lmao. So they both raided this other faggot and he averages into the 700’s? Where are the terrier fags? The redditards? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahhaa

>>42264243
They didn't sacrifice shit. The reason why EN3 isn't here is that western whores are all the same.

>>42264352
Twitter*****

>>42260244
How so? I've been too busy watching the cute girls to keep up with Vesper

>>42260191

Vesper decided to go psycho mode, and not in a good way, while off in Japan. People like unhinged, they don't like ACTUAL crazy.

As much as I try to stand up for the guys, I feel like Tempus is a complete failure and they should walk away from the EN guy streamer business model, it's not going to succeed.

>>42263977
he literally got raided by two seperate homos who both had over 1k viewers, the fact tha he only kept like 20 percent of themis absolutely fucking pathetic

>>42261893
I may not have seen it coming but I did see and screenshot Flayon sitting next to Altare in FFXIV before the announcement.

>>42264324
my guy it's a dating sim about birds, that shit is funny as hell, whenever any youtuber plays this is does incredibly well, this game is actually a buff believe it or not, people like watching the funny game where you date literal birds

>>42264382
Nope the reason is, because there was nobody worth a damned hiring before during the no talent poaching era. Now is fair game.
Pomu
Selen
Elira
Rosemi
Kotoka

>>42260122
Why does Uyu have such low viewcounts and donos anyway? He looks generic ikemen anime boy, nothing particularly offputting

>>42263977
>was at 1k after the raids
>already dropping below 700
Lmao
And don't say it's the game, the exact same thing happened to his megaman zero stream yesterday, 500 viewers for the entire stream, get raided to 1k+, drop down again to 700 after 15 minutes
Tempus viewers just don't want to watch Flayon

>>42264754
>He looks generic ikemen anime boy, nothing particularly offputting
It's simply not a good enough design, plus he's boring

>>42264754
man has a business on the side, stars is mostly a part -time/hobby for him.
Also, he does pull his weight cuz hololizer registers his member streams a BFE. Homos (even shit- tier as OP) should follow his example...or Vesper's if they just want numbers.

>>42263977
OP is a talented forecaster of Tempus' being an embarrassment on the brand the Hololive EN girls built and let them leech off of. A 3view is still a 3view

>>42258859
The thing is that he is playing a boring VN like Hatoful bf. If he choose to stream other popular game, he wouldnt be that low. He reaches almost 2k in his mc stream i think, not that amazing but it's kinda his fault for choosing shitty games in the early days.

>>42265151
>vn with routes
>while voice acting
>boring
yeah, that is not how it works.
nice try.

>>42265151
What's the excuse when he's playing the objectively best megaman games?

Being in theater made me hate theater kids

>>42265151
I don't even think his bitch ass has any say of what he gets to play for now he still fairly new and management is obviously sabotaging him already because he's turning the fujo away instead of attracting them because they're forcing him to fujo bait like a desperate son of a bitch.

>>42265249
Honestly the content in vn is still pretty boring even though he does such a good job at voice acting. Haha le pigeons funny. As for me i see Hakka, especially Bettelboth have better game and content choice than Flayon.

>>42265386
Let's be real, do girls really interested in Megaman?

>>42265450
Hakka only redeemable quality is his music.

Unless you have a critically dependent shota fetish that you need to satiate every hour of the day, I can understand why he's not exactly fucking popping off with thousands of viewers. Really, just fucking think about it. This kind of character design, voice, and personality doesn't necessarily appeal to the English speaking parts of the world.

A lot of people aren't a 35-year-old Japanese woman who wants to listen to and watch young boys. It's a specific archetype that I'm not surprised isn't all that popular among the English audience. Even with good game choices, the design is too off-putting for people who don't want to fuck shotas. Realistically, he's still significantly more successful than a majority of the people live streaming on YouTube, but the reason for his lower popularity has a lot to do with his specific character.

His design and personality made me not interested in him from the start. And that Pummel Party collab ensured I'll most likely never give him a chance. Ultra gay.

>>42265601
Fuck no. He should play girl games like the sims women love those.

>>42265642
>Really, just fucking think about it. This kind of character design, voice, and personality doesn't necessarily appeal to the English speaking parts of the world.
This is exactly why he should choose Asia streaming hour. I'm an asia with shota fetish, barely can watch his ridiculous livestream hour.

>>42264754
I can't guarantee you that everything I'm saying is correct / based on facts, but from what I recall:
>is a part of Uproar, a gen of HoloStars that wasn't really well met by viewers in general
>shortly after debut started to do very long streams, almost endurance tier, and that wasn't easy to digest for viewers
>quickly burnt out from his own schedule and had to change it (people claim that this is one of the reasons all Cover vtubers that came after Uproar are limited to 1-hour streams during first few weeks after debut in order to not burn out)
>his new streaming schedule didn't really have anything impressive anymore
>somehow all that ended up with him being the least viewed HoloStar, and this infamous reputation kinda keeps him at low viewcount
>seems like he himself doesn't really mind improving it because he has IRL family business

>>42264617
Why would they ever "walk away" from StarsEN? Most of them are doing much better than the StarsJP and a good number of ID. Once they do the initial investment for the model it's not like they have to spend much after that. One of the newer JP guys is literally almost a 2 view and they still gave them 3D.

>>42265677
This is why I said he really has a shitty choices of games. He should make up what audience he is aiming for, even Luxiem don't need to play vn like hatoful bf to attract female viewers.

>>42261355
>Bettel
You just outed yourself, redditsister. kys

You have one chance to debut as an EN Shota. How would you make it work?

>>42258859
I actually like the homos and think they're funny, but Flayon is a little too faggy for my taste. I'm surprised he isn't more popular because I thought female viewers would like the niche he filled.

>>42264617
>Tempus is a complete failure
No they aren't lol they get Niji numbers at worst, and that's a whole functional company

>>42266156
Tempus viewers are mostly male parasocials looking for friends, and then otomecore. Flayon is fujobait and completely misfired.

I do expect him to do better as time goes on though. He's got more tangible talent than most Tempus talents and he should be consistent and reliable as he evens out based on past activities.

>>42266237
all of tempus 1 are doing pretty well. there's no clear runt of the litter.
tempus 2 has bettel as the clear standout but shinri is actually doing okay, he has a small audience but they seem loyal.
hakka i don't know. flayon is clearly struggling.

female-anons add me up on discord Wappa#3196

and chat of stuff like creative hobbies /m/ shows lolis kemono girls vtubers (and laugh at deadbeats.)fantasy the 4 heroes of light SFM animations females from the DoA games pokemon digimon vidya and weeb stuff yuuka meiling patchouli shion yuugii from touhou megaman monster hunter FU final the rwby anime and other stuff

>>42260900
I swear he is, his debut was quite impressive with lots of things to show, second stream, I couldn't pass minute 15, I had to change to something else because it wasn't even good for BGS
>>42265249
VA vtubers are boring as fuck, having an impressive vocal range is amazing and gives a start, but won't keep an audience, most ppl do "VA" work on their own heads while playing, these people are just capable of reproducing it, if you wont use that hability to do something funny or give more sauce to the game, you might as well just be doing a VOD

Oh no, Tempus 2 is underperforming even with the debut buff. Looks like it's time to release Tempus 3 to help them.

>>42263659
All they have to do is debut another loli and they're golden
Council underperformed because there were no lolis

>>42266146
sell my soul and pander to fat bitches.
I believe is the only way.

>>42266394
I still have no clue what they were thinking unless they were in danger of getting poached by Niji
I have a rrat that EN3 keeps getting delayed because they've had to replace a few members who didn't want to wait for that sweet sweet corpo money.

>>42266312
>they are doing good
>they need to show number to cover from now on
>"doing good"
sister better get that wallet ready for the graduation merch

>>42260191
Other wilds has that problem, people who watch other wilds have already played it, the selling point of the game is playing it witouth knowing shit about it so anyone that hasn't and wants to just skip those streams till after they played it, also is a 12 hours stream

>>42266146
Get in as a "shota" or whatever, but shift entirely to shounen the moment I'm streaming, embrace the shounen anime protagonist archetype the whole way.

>>42266545
Graduation is harsh, the worst that happens is that they don't have solo studio/music department stuff and staff gets reassigned.

>>42266545
With how shit numbers from starsJP is and how low the numbers of everyone after luxiem in niji are, the other two dudes that aren't bettel are doing "better than average" while the shota is just a secret uproar agent

>>42263712
>I would watch a trap from Cover
Theres your proof

female-anons add me up on discord Wappa#3196

and chat of stuff like creative hobbies /m/ shows lolis kemono girls vtubers (and laugh at deadbeats.)fantasy the 4 heroes of light SFM animations females from the DoA games pokemon digimon vidya and weeb stuff yuuka meiling patchouli shion yuugii from touhou megaman monster hunter FU final the rwby anime and other stuff

>>42266146
Does my design permanently debuff me? Crash and burn everything with no survivors, probably impossible to carry such mess no matter how good I am.
Is my design good enough? Pull a Kurapika type of character and never break kayfabe, keeping a chill personality even during membership streams and donation reading.

>>42260795
>my toys broke and I don't wanna play with them anymore
Every time. Now run off and ruin another hobby.

>>42259930
It's because hes an autistic fuck who so far has ruined every collab hes in, quite literally the MORI if Tempus but without the numbers to justify his shit.

>>42267074
why won't you die

>>42261105
The catalog

>>42265749
To add to this, some time around debut fans criticized his attitude (he'd banter with Uproar and yelled a lot in games) and it definitely affected him, he walks on eggshells more often now, even Astel said he holds back now (and called him dumb for it) and has closed himself off, which is why Astel often invites him to play.

>>42259530
kira was a lot better about having streams where he just acted normal

>>42259751
He's /m/ but he has bad taste.

>>42258859
i don't know if the other new holostars are doing well or not, but i just never hear them mentioned or talked about anywhere. it's to the point where i haven't even memorized their names yet. i feel like it's, once again, due to a lack of engagement and marketing from cover.

How is the leader of Tempus less than 1k for a remake of Dead Space?

>>42263810
That's not even showing anything anon. Now THIS is showing something.

>>42266146
A shota design is such a debuff in the EN market that Flayon could try streaming during Asian prime time hours. There is competition but there is more of a demand.

>>42271661
Idk i don't watch his bitchass anymore after he snubbed vesper on twitter. Yes the old fag isn't innocent at all but altare exposed himself as being a petty fucking manchild as well when he responded to nijiniggers and outsiders before his own gen mate even the girls would've handled this situation like professionals.

>>42259930
When the designs for Tempus 2 were revealed I thought this guy stood the best chance to catch on because at least his design caters to a niche. Turns out he's a little too niche.

>>42270937
The second Tempus had some of the worst marketing I've ever seen. They essentially just had a tweet and a trailer. The first wave had a website to countdown a week before hand, a comic, a debut watchalong by Bae, Ollie, and A-chan, engagement from some of the girls on Twitter, and even Omega came out of hibernation. The second wave was set up to fail. Flayon, though, has way more problems than marketing and design

>>42265873
Is the Reddit in the room with us right now

>>42260306
>Also what the fuck is he playing
Meme joke dating sim game where you date pigeons that is years old so anyone who did care has already seen it 20 times over by now. It’s also part 4.
It’s a bad stream choice.

>>42258859
Only a few message more and this thread will have more comment than the stream have viewer, gogo anons.

>>42275472
Sounds like a homostars issue, HoloX dropped 1 day after they were announced and they are still the biggest debut

>>42258859
I feel bad for him imagine if it was one of you guys

>>42266146
Kill myself

>>42276233
>HoloX
>still the biggest debut
Myth is and it’s not even close. The only one who has had a comparable debut growth has been ID3s Kobo.

>>42259930
>Is this proof that listening to reddit is a surefire way to run a company into the ground?
the company is doing fine, but he isn't.

>>42276484
Actual debut dumbass

>>42264617
What did he do in japan?

>>42264911
Well, they are expecting a MALE streamer, not a troon.

>>42276254
You just need to put shit into perspective (aka the kind of thinking that makes cynics on here scream COPE)
The stars are the bottom rung of Hololive. But when you go outside that bubble, other than the bigger names of Niji, VShojo, VOMS and insert any group I forgot here, they are pulling better numbers than 99% of other VTubers out there. They have managers to handle shit for them, some expenses like the base model (2D and 3D) paid for them. And their numbers look better when you look at streaming as a whole and there are people on Twotch right now streaming to an audience of 0.
Life isn’t about millions. If you’re a streamer and you consistently get double digits of people who out of the whole internet are coming to you for entertainment, you can’t make a career out of it, but you’re doing something right.

>>42276707
He was out of med, so he got into withdrawal syndrome because he couldn't take the time to check and fill the form to take med with him. But not enought in withdrawal to not jump into the next collab where girl would be present and altare would be absent despide the around 3 weeks before taking med would actually have an actual effect.

>>42276707
He apparently takes medication for anxiety and didn't bring them because he was scared if they were illegal in Japan. He just barely did anything, skipped out on the 6 month anniversary atream and went home. Seems fine now.

I'm watching Shinri for the first time and he... just really really sucks. Even among vocal fry boys he does a way worse job of keeping it up than Vox and Vox 2.

>>42277088
You open my eyes i dont feel bad for him anymore

>>42258859
More people in this thread than watching

>>42277914
Really you should feel bad for the audience. Cover representatives looked at their HoloEN audience and said yeah. This is something they'll relate to.
Those people from those raids were ready to be entertained and only found suffering.

>>42266146
Make female loli alternative persona and stream with it

>>42267656
>Fell for the baits by attention whores and noisy minority
NGMI

>>42276254
It's better being a male in Niji. See Kyo, he turned Enna fan into cucks

>>42266146
In a word: Kusogaki.

>>42277877
He's not meant to be vox he's meant to vesper 2.0 someone who can talk and play games he's vesper replacement axel magnis and altare keeps shilling him exclusively to the fan base for some reason.
But he'll never be the old fag.

>>42261105
I said it, but he's not gay enough. I need some Aster-tier fag pandering.

>>42277877
>wanting more Vox-style chuubas
kill yourself immediately

>>42278757
>>42279348
I was specifically talking about his voice. He does that vocal fry every third male indie does but it constantly cracks.

>>42279192
ACCELERATE THE GAY

Is it the shit games he's been playing or is he just not entertaining as a streamer?

I can save him…

uh

>>42279794
I think he's fine as a streamer but his game selection is dogshit and his direction is terrible. There's no fujo fanbase for holostars which seems to be his main target. Pander to the girls or pander to the guys but don't pander to the girls that want to see you pander to the guys.

>>42266146
Shota-Oji

>>42280060
holy hell that's half of his previous stream from hours ago
>>42279794
A ton of people were watching Okayu clearing Angels of Death in a single (or was it two?) stream, and it had more viewers than her FE streams (where she was having 3-4k on average, but I can't blame her or viewers because TRPG is fun to play by yourself but worst genre to watch)
Anya split her playthrough across several streams and she was still getting like 1-3k per stream (unless I misremember)

>>42280385

Female vtubers will always get more views, even if they are 10x more boring than a male counterpart.

Also JP branch seems to get insane numbers. Miko will stream to 30,000 + viewers same with Pekora.

I did see Soda-chan only get around 400-500 about a year ago doing Minecraft.

Flayon just needs better game selection or to find his niche. It's still very early on and only numberfags would complain this much.

>>42266146

No one outside of vt really cares about numbers, why is this board in particular so obsessed with this?

>>42277088
I equate it to a bench player on a professional sports team. Say what you want about talent (or perceived lack thereof), the fact is they're in the big leagues, they're in the 1%, hell maybe even the 0.1% of the entirety of their profession. Even if they were to retire tomorrow, they still made it to The Show. For every "Hall of Fame" talent (the ones who sell the tickets, who put asses in seats), there's a thousand or more that just *made it*, something so few ever get the chance to do.
Yeah, the flashy 5-6 number ccv's look impressive, I mean, you're talking the equivalent of theaters and stadiums at those numbers. But the fact remains, even with what people perceive as "shitty" numbers, there are 10,000 indies who would kill for that number.

>>42260913
ever heard of the catholic church

>>42281078
Investor care about numbers where you think stream ad revenue comes from?

Looks like he's returning to his original view count https://streamscharts.com/channels/aisriale

>>42258859
So he's gonna be the first to graduate next year when they don't renew his contract lol

>>42281474
Ah . . . home

>>42261236
>They're all outpeforming the non-Vesper/Magni part of Tempus
No they aren't. Their biggest talent has an average of 499 ccv, boosted by the recent marathon. Most others are hovering around 300 while Regis has 2.9k and Axel has 2k.
I don't think I've ever seen a noombers-post from an Idol-fan that wasn't exaggerated in some way.

Girls don't care about mech stuff + he is not doing enough GFE stuff, his streams are aimed at no one.

>>42282387
What else would you expect from the jewish corporation doing nonstop viral marketing to shill their vtubers here?

>>42266146
>>42278716
I gotta second that, Kusogaki seems like the best way to go about it. Perhaps with some delinquent gap moe?

>>42281078

>>42282387
I can testify, idol isn't near the homos without a big event/announcement stream yet but by small corpo standard they're doing really well. Just the other day before Yuko's donothon Rin managed to hit 1.2k viewers on her "announcement stream" but they usually tend to gravitate towards mid 3views on regular streams

>>42266156
My guess is because he doesn't have friends to fujobait with
>Tempus viewers are mostly male parasocials looking for friends, and then otomecore. Flayon is fujobait and completely misfired.
this

The truth is that everyone on this board and vtuber watchers in general are normies who can't deal with kayfabe, most of the board doesn't even watch vtubers they only care for numbers console wars so when they see a kayfabe heavy vtuber (a good vtuber) they don't know what to do with it

>>42283716
No, I like Kayfabe. His is just not interesting.

>>42283021
Wouldn't a Kusogaki only work with an older member, specifically female? If Aoi Nabi made a male vtuber brother for Ame that was a Kusogaki

This wouldn't have happened if cover hired a tranny gen instead

Magni is still popular even after the magging meme? 2.6k is still pretty high for a holostar after months of streaming.

>>42281078
Cover hasn't released EN3 and they keep trying to force holoEN viewers to watch Tempus. It's misdirected anger which has nothing to do with Flayon but the numbers make it easier to complain. Yagoo doesn't care about holoEN and is letting them stagnate which is the real problem.

>>42284347
You decide.

>>42283930
Pretty much every other holo character is older or behaves more maturely. All of the HoloEN males certainly.
The girls are of course a rather tricky subject but of the EN females that actually want to collab with males more than they want to do well in their job it would work pretty well too. Kronii's character is a narcissistic jerk that can easily act smug and demeaning to a weakling kusogaki while also allowing for her to get some gap moe element when there is the occasional reversal such as if she lost to him in a game.
Amelia goes for that annoying gremlin aspect too so she can pretty easily use that to play off him at times while also putting him in his place.
And Calliope is an actual, not just character acting, shotacon loser. Her attempts to be motherly or cool to a kusogaki that wants absolutely none of it has lots of potential.
And then there is ID who also has several people that don't mind playing with the boys and interesting personality combinations.
This is all hypothetical of course, as I don't think they should add any more HoloEN males. Certainly not now, the hell were they really thinking with Tempus2 before Girls 3.

just saw this faggot model, and i wonder why everyone call him a shota, his model looks 13-15. not shota enough, no wonder its a flop. retard who approved this model should neck himself

>>42283930
Homobeggar have no shame. kys.

>>42283716
No, I just have zero interest in males because I'd rather watch girls being cute. Seeing how hard Cover is trying to push these fags makes me happy to see them flopping.

You’d be suprised how many people like woman sleeping content

>>42260795
I see that genwunners are the same brand of retard in literally every corpo huh
The OG Tempus is just as boring. Don't kid yourself.

>>42261042
Kyo is just being himself
People say that if kyo had a more shota like voice/personality that he’d be more popular but I can only imagine the opposite
I think the gap is part of his charm

>>42261277
His personality is too safe to be Nijisanji-lite

Weren't there a lot of people who were excited to know HE got into Holostars? What did they see in him? I find his energy to be too much, even though he seems like a pretty decent voice actor.

>>42261480
Hakka is big little bro energy, it’s cute

>>42265412
Turning the fujo away by fujo baiting?

>>42268451
Thanks for the lore, stars fan

>>42272104
It’s more the personality imo
Kyo does fine despite having a shota model even though no one who watches him would call him a shota by this point

>>42272178
He doesn’t reply to a tweet fast enough, sister come on get some hobbies

He should move to Asian prime hours. Something like 10-11 pm JST. SEA women LOVE shota.

>>42291619
>Astel and Izuru while not really shotabait but still the smallest and most twink-like have the most SEA fans

Anon might be onto something.

>>42266146


Shota is a half measure. Go full trap or bust.
Throw in some ore-sama gap moe and you're golden.

>>42266146
Break into the one scene that shotas are coveted in IRL: cinema.
Unironically, film review and critical film analysis would be the only way a shota vtuber could ever succeed. Vidya would be a death sentence.

>>42291881
I'm a Nijifag, so I'm speaking from experience. It works for our EN boys.

>>42285824
>during no overlap
>mostly collabs
GRIM

>>42291244
Kyo leeched his entire audience off of Enna

>>42294867
based
whores suck

>>42294972
I borderline hate Enna but she has more talent in her little pinky than Kyo could ever dream of

kek

>>42295026
ogey Enna

He's cute in like a pathetic way. Just want to cuddle and stroke his hair until he stops embarrassing himself every week. Needs more time to settle into his role of sexual assault victim.

>>42262332
Well known in the vtuber community but nobody would watch him because he's boring. Things don't change big surprise

His design is ugly much like most of the EN branch post-myth and he doesn't even look like a shota. His voice also sounds like your typical poorly done anime English VA.

>>42260851
At least with Uproar the StarsJP branch is completely separate from the HoloJP one, so their existence didn't delay a JP7. For StarsEN case it's stupidly obvious that the EN side is managed in a different manner and are more integrated with HoloEN than how it is with the JP branches, just look at how Cover didn't shill the girls side of the auditions once during the entirety of 2022 while they did it 3 fucking times for guys, with the most recent being only a couple of weeks before the new debuts, so the existence of Tempus Part 2 most likely pushed the debut of HoloLIVE EN3 further and god knows if we'll have any news about it during the Expo.

>>42264382
>western whores are all the same
And western fags aren't much better. "But muh streams" doesn't mean shit if they're boring as fuck.

>>42259930
He was never a shota for me, those people don't know what a shota looks like!
He should have been more or less like this:

>>42260742
Bingo! Finding a male who can actually do shota voice is not an easy task, that is why in Japan they almost always use women for young male characters (like him) or shota

>>42281188
Altar boy chuuba will save stars.

>>42263879
He stopped the tranny voice a long time ago and avoids doing it now. He deserves a second chance.

>>42288570
Faggot who listens and enjoys fabricated horse porn cock of the girls is telling someone else they have no shame.

>>42260913
You guys said this about male vtubers and then Luxiem happened.
>but the west-
Their meet & greet tickets sold out at a convention in LA. Keep in mind, they had way more slots than the second niji m&g with the rest of the waves.

>>42301027
>LA
filled with SEA and other asians, doesn't really count

>>42261171
The name is lolicon you uncultered swine!

>>42301027
Yeah women like ikemen, shota is a lot more niche compared to loli however.

>>42264720
They were playing together on stream before the debut and you have the screenshot to prove is that what you're saying?

>>422588
If he and Miyabi collab they might make it to 300 viewers kek

>>42261941
I like shotas the way I like lolis, If you like shotas just for self-inserting then you don't like shota, you like to be dominated by an onee-san and is easy (for you) to imagine that when the MC is not some big muscular dude.
Loli is not problematic, the people who think so are just retarded.

>>42291989
Based source!

(SEQUEL games like SEQUEL Blight and Awake if you guys wanna know)

>>42258859

>>42287194
Exactly that, he is NOT a shota!

>>42268499
I miss him, never been able to get into VTubing again since his graduation...

>>42292367
>16 streams
>4 are collabs
>"Mostly collabs"
If you're going to cope, at least find something reasonable

I'd watch him, but I don't like watching streamers who play story focused games because it feels too much like a react stream. His art streams are nice though.

>>42300967
Hmmm? you make no sence so i guess this is projection. Well enjoy you "fabricated horse porn cock of the girls" whanever that mean. The abyse of no shame, homobeggar with huge projection issues.

does anyone think cover is making money off these boys? OF COURSE THEY ARE

listen, i like this little fag, he is gonna last longer than you think. also imagine getting paid to be a c-tier letsplayer hidden behind an anime avatar.

he will be fine

>Character design is him wearing a body suit so tight it exposes his bully button
>Complete ken-doll anatomy at his crotch.
Unironically why I don't watch, even if it's not on display it takes me out of it so much. I'm not even coming at it from an UOHH I CRAVE SHOTA DICK angle is just looks bizarre

>>42260339
>Too Gay
>>42279192
>Not gay enough
Well which one is it?