/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

i watch by streamer, not company. it can be from either company or indies. it could be based on a particular game playthrough you want to watch, based on skill set, mood/vide.. literally anything including want or not wanting cuck experience, use your imagination incel brainlet

>>42151003
Holy based

Serious question. Is there any reason why someone would drink Pepsi over Coke?

>>42150876
>companies are differently structured
you're trying to compare bananas to apples

the answer is "difference in flavor"

>>42150876
You're asking why would people eat poops over normal food

Well. A lot of holos don't stream, so that's a big part of it.

>>42150876
My answer is simple Nijisanji more entertaining to watch.

>>42150876
They're more entertaining and have more appealing designs. I do wish they kept the genders separated though not just for unicorn reasons but because females love to bring drama and chaos into everything.

My oshi is in Nijisanji. It's that simple.

>>42150876
I only follow niji with good voices like chima, mellissa (rip), levi, ryushen, etc. and watch their utawaku

Tribalfagging is bad for your mental health. Most sane people just watch one company not because othey think one is better than the other. It because the vtuber that they watch and their immediate friends happen to be in one company.

>>42150876
Holostar don't have kagami hayato and Ike eveland

>>42150876
Let see.
Hololive
>Don't have Toko and Nyaraka
Nijisanji
>Have Toko and Nyaraka.

>>42150876
Who cares? You're cucked either way. Go look at the moona thread. All these companies should burn.

>>42150876
You can watch both pretty easily, and add small corpos and indies on top. Just pick and choose the individual streamers you like. Don't fall for tribalfaggers.
I watch 3 holos, 1 niji, and a few indies.

>>42150876
Idk why you don't ask matsuri

>>42150876
i like different flavors, not a big fan of vanilla

>>42151003
You're too mentally stable to be on this board sir

>>42150876
I like male streamers more than female streamers usually and I like anime so that’s why I watch vtubers, I liked Sana a lot when she was around (Kirby was fun)
But there’s not anyone left that I consistently watch in hololive anymore
Comfy streamers are of no interest to me
Ina’s art streams are nice

>>42150876
I'm not interested in woman doing an autistic larp trying to wrangle money from me. Literally just 3DPD in 2D clothing. I want to watch funny autists. Niji has some good autists like Doppio and I like pomu but overall nijiEN has too much retarded drama caused by how cliquey a lot of them are. I prefer holostars, they have autistic as fuck funny scream streamers.
>WHY NOT JUST WATCH FLESH STREAMERS
I like funny streamer autists, I don't see why the fuck it matters if I watch one that's a vtuber or not a vtuber. I'll watch whoever the fuck I want and you can blow it out your ass.

>>42150876
Sad to say, their 3d is wanting to be idols.

>>42150876
Nijisanji has so many members that there is always someone to watch at all hours. Plus Niisanji JP is a different beast its top quality. These new girls are all fucking awesome by the way. Nozomi is my favorite by far.

Sour grapes probably. Most nijinigs don't want to admit Hololive is strictly more entertaining and are bitter they got overtaken by Hololive, so they cope by watching only watching Niji. Kind of sad really.

>>42150876
I don't like extremely high concentrations of women.
I find them fine in small quantities and when they're offset by some guys, but anything with gender imbalances that greatly favor the women just doesn't entice me at all, for some reason. It's why I never touch haremshit, idolshit, and yes, Hololive.

Basically, though I'm not quite a raging misogynist, I still dislike women enough to feel that they are distasteful in large quantities. I guess it's like how a drink can be too sweet or sour. You can have the perfect drink, but add too much sugar or citric acid and it becomes undrinkable.

>>42150876
Mainland chink that's old enough to hear hololive call Taiwan a country.

>>42150876
not sure what you mean but if you mean watch them as a group, there is no reason to watch Nijisanji, Hololive is simply better choice, Nijisanji can't create the same scale of "box" like Hololive because they don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler, also thanks to accelerate make them disconnected more faster

>>42150876
If you just want to be entertained.
If you want a doll that will pander to you, no. You have Hololive for that. Also Hololive might be too bland / safe for some.

>>42150876
they actually stream, sure a bunch of those are meh but holo has so many dead hours

>>42150876
I'm not a 2019/2020 (or later) tourist so I don't have console war brainrot when it comes to vtubers

>>42150876
more variety, more permissions, more collabs, better hobby/interest spread, better timezone coverage, same idolshit concerts

>>42150876
I watch Niji because they are entertaining, simple as, there's no Vtuber's like Mito, Sayo, Rika, even in indie

>>42153919
Chink who harrassed Hololive never watch Nijisanji. Vox watcher and Aqua/Fubuki watchers are completely different being.

>>42150876
Hololive is like a restaurant that only serves certain dishes, it may be super delicious to some, but if you aren't into that kind of content (i.e. CGDGT), there's literally nothing else Hololive can provide you.
While Nijisanji has variety, I can choose from Yashiro's music game stream, Naryaka's FPS, and Mito's radio and themed zatsu all at the same time on Nijisanji's side. Or even see indies or other agencies for what made me interested at that time.
I can understand why people will only watch Hololive, but thinking others must be the same is literally retarded.

Pomu 3D ass > all holo 3D ass

>>42150876
>watch X over holo
They stream, you don't need more reason than that

>>42155030
>Nijisanji can't create the same scale of "box" like Hololive because they don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler, also thanks to accelerate make them disconnected more faster
Nijisanji literally have all of that and more. I know you don't want to watch Nijisanji, but can you not create your own headcannon on how Nijisanji culture work?

>>42150876
Because my indie oshi is in Niji and loves to stream

>>42155030
Tell me you don't watch Nijisanji with out telling me you don't

>>42156612
It's obvious he doesn't but it's also obvious a lot of the people in this thread also don't watch Hololive
So many people on either site legit parroting catalog narratives, it's so sad to see

Never had time to watch multiple vtubers. But during Gura's absence, checked out others that were shilled here. They were okay but instead found myself catching up with RL streamers like Asmongold. Checking on other HoloEN girls once in a while. Why stay in the brand? Because they are part of my oshi's family.

>>42150876
I hate Holo rigging

>>42156663
I like marine and matsuri, hololive ID is good. But, it's just niji simply entertaining better. I don't need idol I can simp for, I need dumb streamer I can watch for my entertainment.

>>42156409
no they are not, they only have more as more circle group, Hololive have way bigger box that function properly for regular games like Minecraft or pretty much any other game that currently popular in Hololive, no need for company mandated event, tournament and such, maybe you're the one that only watch Niji so you don't really understand how Holobox works

>>42156865
Sure holocope

>>42150876
I'm a holofag but I watch Ars when i want to watch something at night jst. I watch Putechi and Kanae every now and then too. They have plenty of good vtubers over there who have charisma and humor.

>>42156910
>cope
not sure who is coping here, thought you faggots don't care about being big family thing and always call that fake and only care to watch only your oshi, kek

>>42156865
It's okay. Just admit you never watch Nijisanji jp. And you don't need to pretend you know how they work. Nobody going to laugh at you because everyone know catalogueniggers are retard. It's like making fun of downie.

>>42156845
I don't really care about idols or simping either, I also watch streamers for entertainment so I'm not that different from you. I just find stereotypes so dumb, I just wish people would just watch streamers and decide for themselves because everyone has their own tastes.

>>42156865
you're trying to sell hololive on minecraft streams, come on dude. indies like neuro-sama and vshojo also play minecraft

>>42157130
Holo sell themselves as idol what do you want from me

>>42157001
This is your meds holobronies don't take copium to much

>>42150876
I watch them because I enjoyed it more. Started off watching HoloJP and NijiJP before Coco's gen debuted. I like Aqua and Ayame mostly. Then in NijiJP I liked Gibara and Lulu and Sanbaka. I think I lost interest in Holo because the members I liked stopped streaming much and yeah ended up just falling out of watching them and watching NijiJP instead. Nowadays I watch mostly NijiEN with some NijiJP never gave HoloEN a try though. Lost interest in Hololive by the time they debuted.

>>42157171
A meaningless distinction at this point since Nijisanji also do idol stuff if they really want. Anyway I'm not trying to convince anyone about anything since I do watch both.

>>42150876
The selen posters successfully indoctrinated me. I'm dead serious.

>>42156865
>no need for company mandated event, tournament and such
The fact that you think most event and tournament is "mandated by the company" already shows your ignorance about Nijisanji.
Most of the tournaments are organized by livers themselves, just like Proseka tournament recently solely organized by Yashiro and Eli, and the upcoming Pachinko tournament planned by Gaku. In fact, every recurring tournament and event in Nijisanji can be pinpointed to be started by some exact livers, but only became more company-orientated because they need more manpower to handle the increasing scale of the event.

Morning - Ame, IryS
Noon - Yuuna
Afternoon - Selen
Night - Botan, Koyori
Late night - Reine
Past midnight - Kiara

>>42157152
not trying to sell anything just stating the facts, and did you miss the "pretty much any other game that currently popular in Hololive" when a game is popular in Hololive any member who plays it will get huge boost that's simply by playing it, doesn't need to be good at it, like Vampire survivor, Holocure and now Geoguessr also quite popular, because most Holofag also follow most of other member while Nijifag most of the only follow their oshi and his/her circle

>>42150876
Holofags irritates me and in turns it reflects to their streamers

>>42156065
Doesn't matter who started it. If you're a chink and you saw it, you automatically join the other other tribe. Even game devs joined in it and started blacklisting holo.

>>42157278
>company mandated event, tournament
it meant to be separate thing i never said all of them company mandated but the point is Hololive don't even need those, simply join the current trend in Hololive, simply playing the game don't even need to collab and they will get big boost

>>42157278
Facts. Like when Mayuzumi ran the rock paper scissors tournament and paid out the prize money out of his own pocket. Great fucking tournament had some good laughs.

>>42150876
Sorry, there's no one who eats bug on stream, report their bizarre stories or doing wacky tournament in holo, I don't give a shit about idol and CTDCT contents

>>42157600
didnt haato eat spiders and spicy raman and made erotic puking noises

I watched Rosemi talk about astronomy and then she never did it again

Space is cursed for vtubers

>>42150876
Nijisanji has a lot of what I like and then some. I like Rion, and while I could watch someone like Aqua for a bit more SAO autism, I just can't really be bothered to. I don't dislike Hololive for existing, either. I do enjoy catching Hologra and StarsColle weekly, a shame the main threads don't talk about Hologra often.

>>42157068
>t.catalognigger

Holo does have way stronger sense of unity for sure. Like, no one is going to shit on a newbie if she sing Shiny Smily Story a week after she debut. Also, just like how Hologirls can't just come out and shout 'I LOVE HOLOSTARS', girls in Niji, especially the newer ones, can't come out and shout 'I LOVE KUZUHA/KANAE' or there'll be bloodbath(though Nijifags will stand up and clap if the girls say they want to fuck Maimoto/Chaika). So yeah, Niji is about as united as Hololive and Holostars.

>>42157881
Based. I love Rion. Super underrated in my opinion.

>>42156865
It's fine if you don't like nijisanji, everyone is free to not like whatever they want but don't lie anon it's really cringe

>>42157248
Exactly niji have people do idol shit as well, I don't need another reason to watch Holo right?
Holo is good I'm never say otherwise but for me they not entertain me enough
I don't like moe-moe things they do.

>>42158147
where is the lie ? i think i already explained it well enough how Holo box is basically better, i wonder where you people come from, last time i remember you people don't even care about "unity" or "family" in Niji

Aiba Uiha alone moggs every single Holomem at being an idol. That girl is something else.

>>42158305
No I mean, the people that I enjoy, I enjoy for non-idol related reasons. But yeah if you don't like "cute" stuff that's totally fair.

The girls in NijiEN are unironically better idols than the girls in HoloEN ever have been or ever will be. NijiEN Bunch of nobody vtubers given a big opportunity where they're still the underdogs but if they work hard enough one day they could be huge and reach dreams like 3d live performances and all of that. The girls actually work hard with all of them putting in more hours than anyone in HoloEN and for the most part also legitimately appreciate their fans. They've been slowly but surely growing since they launched last year reaching new milestones periodically. What do you have in HoloEN? A bunch of stagnant streamers that have basically achieved everything you can ever hope to as a vtuber right from the starting gate while putting in basically not effort at all just coasting on the success brought to them by the hololive brand name and phoning in a couple of streams a week to keep the money flowing.

>>42150876
I fucking love Toru bros if anything happens to her I will burn Japan to the ground.

>>42150876
Because Nijisanji offers things Hololive doesn't, but not the other way around. Besides, Hololive isn't even ahead of the smaller corpos and indies with the things they offer.
The only reason I can see how anyone would choose to watch Hololive exclusively is if they were completely new to vtubing. Hololive is basically what Naruto used to be for people getting into manga and anime back in the day.

>>42158834
If something happened to her, that because Monster Energy or whatever brand of cigar she smoke

>>42157881
You actually can’t watch Aqua for SAO autism because she doesn’t stream. Rion is fucking great though.

>>42158934
And Japan will burn for it.

>>42158405
>explained it well enough how Holo box is basically better,
>literally making shit up about Niji and trying to brush it off.
Trying too hard, aren't you?

>>42150876
There won't be much of a reason to watch either since Cover is desperate to turn the EN side into nijiEN by having them do as many mixed collabs or push for them in general as much as possible, plus all the homo shilling. Once that happens and they actually become that, there is no point to vtubers anymore because then it's just a bunch of guys and girls in drama and their avatars don't matter because they're all just normal streamers.

Not to mention the idol stuff isn't that big in the west because idol activities = idol culture BAD in the west. Example: kronii. Unless you know Japanese and can stick to the JP side of things, the future is very bleak for EN.

>>42159052
>making shit up
like what ? you seriously think Niji is more unity and big family than Hololive ? where you do faggot come from seriously

>>42158606
NijiEN has 3D performances of their wave songs even.
https://youtu.be/4OMLb5i8rio

Why is it always ESL who are seething over shit they clearly don’t even watch?

>>42150876
because they stream A LOT

>>42159448
Isn't it kind of embarrassing that Anycolor already has this for girls that are supposed to not be idols while the HoloEN girls have no similar full gen performances.

>>42159531
>the chant
nips don't look

>>42159448
>we're not idols guys
>sings idol sounding songs
>dances around like an idol
>does idol chants in their own original songs
I'm getting mixed messages.

>>42151003
fpbp

>>42150876
I don't watch Minecraft, as there are a ton of Minecraft streams every day and every week on Hololive while I can watch a variety of games on Niji everyday like right now there are 10 different games being streamed right now, holy fuck why are your girls so obsessed with that block game

>>42159127
>w-what do you mean my head canon is wrong? I thought /vt/ is a Black Library of secret knowledge where I can impress my fecesbook/discord buttbuddies?
The discussion is not about Niji or Holo have more 'Unity' or whatsoever. I'm pointing that you thought that only Hololive have 'Box' and Niji doesn't which is laughably wrong. Nijisanji also have their own 'box' 'unity' or 'spontaneous event' just like Hololive. You don't know about this because you never watch them and just get your knowledge from antis. That's why I urge you stop talking about Nijisanji because you clearly know nothing about them.

>>42159742
>Niji
>a variety of games
Boy I sure do love Apex, Apex, and more Apex to break up the Minecraft addiction that Pomu is known for

>>42150876
>why someone would watch Niji over Holo?
Sister Claire

>>42150876
I'm not too fond of idol culture. I know hololive built on foundation of idol schtick but I find idol stuff to be cringe in general.

>>42150876
I got board of Hololive's schtick, simple as.

>>42150876
>niji
has my oshi
>holo
doesn't have my oshi

>>42159830
>minecraft
>niji
kek is this 2022?

>>42159971
Bored*

Because Nijis actually know how to stream shit that's FUN. And even when it's not, they're at least TRYING.

Very few in Holo (Migo and Beko in particular) know what the word even means. Everyone else is content with being "muh cute chill zatsu gurl".

>>42150876
I watch for entertainment, not for brand. Nijisanji delivers what I want. Holo is ok too.
My best description of this console war would be "Hololive is FOR weebs, Nijisanji is BY weebs". If you'd like a better insight on actual japanese lifestyle then the rainbow should answer your questions. Same reason why Niji is stronger on /jp/.
Be a good person and stop tribalfagging. You gain nothing from this, especially on a mongolian basket weaving forum.

because I dont like my youtube reccs being flooded with bait clippers
and I like the big liver events

>>42159762
holy fucking retard, since my first post i said they can't create the same scale of box, how do you take that as "they don't have box" talking about headcanon the irony, fucking seething for reason and wasting time for nothing, unironically kys retard

>>42160269
I don't count EN boys, btw. They're boring as shit

>>42159830
>apex
>pomu
wtf are we watching the same pomu?

A Niji girl has played Mount and Blade.

A Holo has not.

Simple as

>>42159830
I don't know what are you talking about, retard-kun but your idols are gonna have a BIG apex event, make sure to watch that mixed section

>>42159830
Right now the games being played by Nijis
>Minecraft
>The Walking Dead
>Genshin
>Hades
>Factorio
>Super Mario 3
>League of Legends
>Mahjong
>Pokemon
>4 Zatsus
Yeah faggot, just Apex? KYS. You don't watch Nijisanji.

>>42151003
cringe

>>42160439
Same for GSGs
Riku I kneel

>>42150876
Niji love making drama everyweek, it tiring watching them.

>>42160598
You don't watch Nijisanji faggot. STFU.

>>42160439
>A Niji girl has played Mount and Blade
who?

>>42160598
Dunno I mainly watch Selen and Elira and neither of them have ever had a single drama. So I guess it depends on who you choose to watch.

>>42150876
why did this thread get to stay up but >>42160555
got deleted?

>>42160813
Could it be because it was clearly made out of spite?

>>42160877
They're both garbage threads

>>42160813
You'd know if you had 3-digit IQ.
Not that this one shouldn't be deleted as well

>>42160898
>>42160948
Why? It's a legit question. Hololive is the go-to if you want to watch vtuber, that's what most people think.

>>42160598
You watch drama channel what are you talking about

>>42160736
I got curious so I looked it up, here anon.
https://holodex.net/search?q=type%2Cvalue%2Ctext%0Aorg%2CNijisanji%2CNijisanji%0Atitle+%26+desc%2Cmount+%26+bladetitle+%26+desc%2Cmount+%26+blade
Skimmed through there were no large scale battles if that's what you were looking for

>>42161006
>Hololive is the go-to if you want to watch vtuber, that's what most people think.
"Quadrillions of flies love shit, they can't be wrong!"
Ad populum, not an argument.

>>42160323
Let's see dumb shit you posted before.
>Nijisanji can't create the same scale of "box" like Hololive
They did. They literally just did it just yesterday with Proseka. Unless you are talking about Minecraft because that shit already over long time ago. Niji Minecraft server already completed.
>because they don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler, also thanks to accelerate make them disconnected more faster.
And this is where real bullshit started. A casual Nijifans can see this statement was posted by drooling imbecile who know nothing about Nijisanji. And just parroting whatever shit antis post in /#/igger thread.

>>42161108
Why you seething so much? Just because nobody care about your oshi don't make it better dissing on other. Elitism and inferiority complex is another reason nobody like rainbow.

>>42161006
Actually, Vshojo is the go-to if you want to watch vtubers. I never heard about Holo or Niji before this board.

>>42150876
I can't speak to the JP side, but there are many reasons to prefer NijiEN over HoloEN. The main ones being that they stream more often and stream more interesting games.

>>42161006
>Naruto is the go-to if you want to watch anime, that's what most people think.
>What do you mean you want to watch different anime? You must stay watching Naruto forever.

>>42161423
If your only argument is "others like it too" then you have no opinion of your own. Kill yourself, drone.

>>42150876
but i like to be cucked it is my fetish

>>42151003
>including want or not wanting cuck experience
you had me until this moment

>>42156067
You say niji has variety but then list thinks that you can find in holo as well.

>>42150876
I got pulled into the early waves of NijiEN girls because Gura was the only Holo I watched consistently, and she was streaming less and less.

>>42160384
your reading reps...

>>42161344
NTA but low IQ take.
The holobox is a box where both holoJP and holoEN have massive overlap with each other, and are able be gathered for minor and major event en masse And nijiEN fans to an extent
The same can't be said of nijiJP, which doesn't even have access to the nijiEN fanbase. They rely on huge events and often require the participation of multiple "livers" to match a single holoevent.
>>42161834

>>42160276
>Niji is stronger on /jp/.
but they aren't
holo has been stronger since 2020

>>42159660
You can be an idol in Nijisanji if you want to, shocking I know, or you can be like Gundou and talk about how you love creampies and cannot watch porn without creampies

>>42161961
I can't find one that plays as well as Yashiro, who can be feathered as the commentator of the official national tournament of Proseka. Nor girls into games like Tarkov like Naraka, or themed-zatsudan talking about things she has seen in the most obscure corner of Japan like Mito.

>>42160276
>Hololive is FOR weebs, Nijisanji is BY weebs
by weebs do you mean japanese otaku? majority of holos are otaku. watch streams

>>42162248
I'd say that the difference is in how they treat their personas and what is their content. It doesn't matter whether they actually consume the media or not.
Nijisanji's feel is that more of "yeah we're real people, but 2D instead of 3D" and those who want to play with that immersion are free to do so. While Holopro is really pushing for that "actual anime girl/boy" vibe, at least that's how I see it. Doesn't apply to Holostars, because they are closer to what I've seen described as "boys locker room". At least the JPs, I haven't seen enough of ENs to judge.
I remember somebody comparing Niji to watching a group of people friends just hanging out and I can see that.

>>42161961
Anon do you know when the last time that a holo streamed project sekai? And no one in holo even plays the trending game like tarkov

>>42162079
NTA, but you are contradicting yourself.
>They rely on huge events
Which means Nijisanji is still able to pull en masse in huge events, and most of the time, more people than most of Holo's huge events.
Isn't this the definition of a "box"?

>>42162248
This is the difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGGhgzoov5s

>>42162079
>the nijiEN fanbase
SEAmonkeys and chinks were already watching Niji to some extent. Even back when NijiEN was "thriving" they were still failing to appeal to actual English speakers. Considering how hard their events are carried by JP tourists they really don't have much to contribute anyway.

>>42162239
The things you listed are very specific and entirely subjective.
Don't say holos dont have variety or there is nothing else they can provide other then CGDCT because you show that you have never watched them.
In holo I have the FPS god Aqua who offers me gaming excitement i cant find in niji, zatsudan masters like Marine with her obscure otaku references and peculiar personal stories, or Pekora who is an entire entertainment-producing machine on her own.
So to each his own but dont go and say
>oh hololive doesnt provide variety
because you clearly have never watched them.

>>42162408
>While Holopro is really pushing for that "actual anime girl/boy" vibe
Why do you think so?

>>42160366
Hei don't say that we have ID branch here

>>42162498
>oboretai
die

>>42162488
Maybe. The term holobox is used mostly on /#/ when discussing the flow of hololive viewers from normal daily stream A that's finished to stream B that is starting or is already underway. You don't see the same movement occurring within nijisanji between streams, that's why the anon in the crosspost called it the nijiweb and not the nijibox. Since the viewers of one nijiJP arent going to watch another nijiJP stream reliably. But you're right when nijisanji does hold these massive events like baseball, they cant get 100-300k viewers from the sheer volume of regular nijisanji fans and tourists that would otherwise only watch their niji oshi's stream and /or no one else.
Also nijisanji 3Ds outside the most popular members can sometimes struggle to reach 30-40k precisely because there is no real nijibox, whereas hololive can reliably hit more often than not 80-100k on even the smallest homomems, due to the holobox showing up everytime

>>42162498
but that's staff members she's describing. weird that you would base who is otaku on this

>>42161344
no they not the same scale as Holobox, i also put more example not just Minecraft as i said "any other game currently popular in Hololive etc" and yes they don't have as strong foundation etc, in case you also take that as "they don't have", no that's not what it means, first you can't even read and misinterpreted my words, now you're actually being delusional retard trying to argue that Niji box is as strong as Holo box, it is simply a fact that most Holofag also follow most of other member meanwhile Nijifag don't, that's already a proof that Holo box is better, i guess Niji is big unity happy family, just fuck off and try to convince newfag with your bullshit, you clearly just want to argue for no reason just to cope, trying to twists words and leaving words behind etc, i don't have that much time for retards like you

>>42163247
Holy esl

>>42152556
>You're too mentally stable
You sure? I doubt everyone on 4chan have mental stability

>>42150876
People who like streams.

>>42156065
lol
VirtuaReal is a thing anon

>>42150876
Niji has the niches I like.
There are so many NijiJP's that all fill different niches that once you actually get up to explore them you may run into the niche you like.
This may or may not occur for NijiEN too, I don't care if it does or doesn't, but I only like Kotoka from NijiEN for example, while in NijiJP I like Hoshikawa, Nui, Hayama and Ars with sometimes a bit of Riikichi

>>42164071
A lot of NijiEN is more variety based without much specialization so far. Although you're starting to get people going more into certain niches. You have Elira or whatever who does 6-10hr JRPG streams most days of the week now with Pokemon, Persona 5 and Tales of Vesperia taking up most of this weeks schedule.

>>42163247
Nice try Holokike. Projecting, twisting word, gaslighting all in one post. I bet your discord groomer must be very proud.
However, we are not talking about scale of unity of Hololives or Nijisanji. If you are saying Hololive have very strong Unity value and Nijisanji have weak unity value which is arguable I would have accepted it. But as we can see in dumb shit you posted here
>>42155030
You just dismissed them completely and claim they don't have it.

>don't have as strong foundation as Hololive,
Yes they have. It's called Tsukino Mito.
>background helper
Asuka Hina, Natsume, Gilzaren
>organizer
Yashiro, Chaika, Gwelu.
>tard wrangler.
Sachou, Kanae, Maimoto.
Since I'm just casual fans and my main are VSPO anyway, this the only livers I can give. But I'm sure there is more.

>>42163767
>scarle
>800 hours in just 6 months
why is she like this?

>>42150876
I don't find any of the holos all that entertaining. Also idol culture is giga cringe.

>>42163767
Wiwa my beloved

>>42163797
Virtual Real might as well a completely different company. And most of them are PL fans rather than Vtuber fan. Also they are the most isolated even compared to Niji ID because their fan might as well be a bigfoot or a youkai in gensokyo because nobody know what happened to them. Like I said, Hololive harasser are former Chinese Hololive fans who butthurt about Cover choosing Coco over chink. Nothing to do with Nijisanji. They probably don't know what Nijisanji is. And newfag chinks who watch Vox/NijiEn are female otaku/fujoshit who just discovered vtuber recently.

>>42150876
>Because they stream frequently
>Because they do actual playthroughs and don't pump and dump games after one stream
>Because they can keep the atmosphere engaging and entertaining
Those are my main reasons. Not to say I watch many niji's, even before the recent yab made me despise half the company most of them weren't my cup of tea.
I'd still prefer to stay within the holo garden but a consumer can only take a company not filling their desires to a certain point before they start checking out what their competitors are offering. Two gens in and it's honestly shocking how lacking hololive's en offerings are in certain areas.

>>42164669
>You just dismissed them completely and claim they don't have it.
retard can't read, well not that surprising
also
>i-i'm actually just casual not just trying to cope
yeah sure you do
>If you are saying Hololive have very strong Unity value and Nijisanji have weak unity value which is arguable I would have accepted it
>arguable
lmao, well at least you "kinda" accepted it, hope you're getting paid for being this try hard as a defense force

>>42150876
I'm a traditional idolfag that grew up in Japan. I initially started watching Hololive because I was drawn to Towa's story of being suspended early for a mistake and having to work hard for the smaller audience that stuck around. I teared up when she finally got to sing Error in her 3D and suddenly people started warming up to her. I was happy when she took control of events like Mario Kart to shine the spotlight on herself, or practiced hard at apex to win tournament and show to herself she could do anything.

But sadly, Hololive is devoid of such stories now. I can't support 'idols' that are given everything they could ever want without any effort. New debuts amass hundreds of thousands of subs and 6-digit salaries. Gura has 10k+ people still paying her membership despite the inactivity.

When you remove the idol goggles and look at what both agencies offer in terms of streaming/entertainment, I found that I just preferred what Nijisanji were doing. They always have tournaments and events going on, there's always new people coming in, there's a lot more weird cross-branch collabs you don't expect, and their 3D tech is superior. After Pomu's 3D I went back to HoloFes 2021 and watched Matsuri perform 'No.1' and she can barely move without risking the tech falling apart.

I don't get my idol fix in Nijisanji either, but I prefer their less sanitised nature as streamers. I prefer the increased volume of 3D content because they can actually use their own studio. I just prefer what they offer their viewers overall.

>>42150876
I am not a thrall to a company, it's that easy. I watch whatever is interesting to watch. You should try that as well anon, it feels nice not to be emotionally attached to an entity whose sole purpose is to siphon money from you.

>>42165458
>>42165458
>retard can't read, well not that surprising.
Let's read it again.
>Nijisanji can't create the same scale of "box" like Hololive because they don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler, also thanks to accelerate make them disconnected more faster
I'm not dumb enough to fall for your gaslighting.
>yeah sure you do
I only watch Nyarara and new girl Toru. and I watch Sumire, Beni, and Noah mostly. So yes, I'm casual. But I still know how they work compared to dumbfuck like you who literally made shit up just to spite them.

>lmao, well at least you "kinda" accepted it, hope you're getting paid for being this try hard as a defense force
I just hate holokike like you who make shit up and pass it as a gospel. Just shut up and stay on your lane.

>>42166313
>I'm not dumb enough
dunno, seems like you do looking at how you can't even read and then "we are not discussing this" but trying to argue and then backpedaling again while trying to hide your embarrassment with "i-it's still arguable somehow and i just kinda accepted it", kek what a clown
you can keep going and cope all you want tho, the fact remains that Hololive is simply better as a group as their box is functionally better no matter how you try to spin it, stating a fact is not making shit up, but i guess someone who can't even read don't understand that

>>42150876
Because I want to avoid the people that unironically use the word "cuck" when it comes to vtubing

>>42151003
NPCs on this board would never, they can no comprendo life without tribalism

>>42168007
The argument here is you claim Nijisanji don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler, which was completely wrong if you know a lick about Nijisanji and not just parroting dumb shit from #iggers. And you tried to stretch the "Nijisanji can't create the same scale of 'box'" as long as possible and then making an Olympics tier mental gymnastic, and FSB tier psyops and gaslighting on how that is not what you mean and trying too hard to hide your second point. How you try to read your own post again.
>not sure what you mean but if you mean watch them as a group, there is no reason to watch Nijisanji, Hololive is simply better choice, Nijisanji can't create the same scale of "box" like Hololive because they don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler, also thanks to accelerate make them disconnected more faster
>they don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler, also thanks to accelerate make them disconnected more faster
And then read replies on how you completely get btfo.

>>42150876
Anyone who chooses who to watch soley based on the company gets what they deserve. I just watch whoever is entertaining.

>>42162552
Mito's chats are basically stories about his own experiences of going to interesting places and talking about them, and no one chats about such themes at the hololive.

>>42165592
You could always check out some of the smaller corpos for your idol fix and for that pre-2019 Hololive feel, but with some added suffering.

>>42151003
Based streamerchad

>>42168781
>which was completely wrong
wrong, if they do then their box would be as strong as Holobox the fact that they are not is already a proof by itself, simple logic, but i also add "accelerate" as part of the problem so it's not really just because they don't have as strong foundation etc
>get btfo
sure keep pretending if that makes you sleep at night

>>42169659
you haven't posted a concrete argument in several posts while the other listed several

>>42162780
>holobox
The term you would used here is idol's hako oshi culture faggotry, no other Vtuber company in this industry has that outside of idol company like Hololive and the dead corpse .Live

>>42165592
>my idol fix
The most closet thing you can get right now is 774, especial HoneyStrap

>>42170132
argument about what ? Holobox is better ? it's already a known fact, if you don't know it's your problem for not doing your reps, if you're expecting detailed answer but simple answer is Holo box doesn't even require something like big events/collab to function properly

>>42170667
holobox isn't better, do your reps

>>42170989
>retard post
get some rope

>>42171111
approaching 3 years of putting niji down trying to make holo look good and did fuck all. No wonder your corpo is dying

>>42169659
> if they do then their box would be as strong as Holobox the fact that they are not is already a proof by itself
NTA, but what's this retarded argument?
How regular fans can watch most of the members under the brand is not judged by how many members want to do supportive work, it's simply the number of talents. Nijisanji is just too big for anyone to physically care about more than a handful of people.
Also, claiming Holobox is "bigger" when Niji's huge event often attracted more people is just simply wrong. Holobox is more "dense"; people will flow during members when they are doing similar content, but it's still smaller than Niji's "net" (recited from other anons), which is literally the result of many supportive members like Maimoto, Yashiro, Rindou, Kenmochi.
Claiming they don't exist just because of your own argument is just circular reasoning. Your whole argument is basically
> Niji doesn't have a big box because A
> A is proven because Niji doesn't have a big box

>>42168969
Marine's chats are her stories about her own experiences of doing interesting things and talking about them, and no one chats about such themes in nijisanji.
Also, eigo jouzu.

>box this box that
You mean hakooshi? Holofans watch every Holo, meanwhile Nijifans only watch like 2-3 Nijis, not caring about the other 100+ people, while being anti of other 10 or so Nijis that they really hate, so yeah, Niji is weaker than Holo in that aspect.

pretty sure that holofans watch every holo was a dispelled myth

Retards ITT who don't know what the holobox is. Maybe take a look at /#/ sometime and you'd learn something

>>42171278
>Hololive is dying trust me t-two more weeks
lol, classic
>How regular fans can watch most of the members under the brand is not judged by how many members want to do supportive work, it's simply the number of talents
yes and no, the lack of strong unity culture makes most of fan don't even know about other member let alone following them, surely the number of member affects it but it's not that simple, if that's the case then having small pool of member will automatically create a strong box which isn't true even in small corpo most of their fan don't know like more than 2 other member beside their oshi
>Claiming they don't exist
for the love of God another one who can't read ?

>>42172658
was also meant for >>42171306

>>42172440
tthe /#/'s narrative is that Holobox is bigger than Nijibox in term of number but every holo's event which is gather the entire holobox( around 200k+ now) loses to every niji's event which gather the entire nijibox (around 300k+) lmao

>>42161006
>Billboard top 40 is the go to if you want to listen to music, so you should stick to it
Drone behavior

not gonna argue using your mental illness box sorry. You can pad your stats all you want but people don't watch because of idolshit streamer workplace environment and stats show it

>>42172773
Tourists are not part of your box if they watch Koshien and fuck off. Nijisanji doesn't have a box, it has tourists. Look at how quickly Salome went from 100k to 10k CCV and no one else in NijiJP were affected by the sudden loss of 90k people. They can only get viewers for events. But the moment these massive events are over, no one goes to watch the other streams. This is verifiable from /#/ and you'd have to be retarded not to know this.

You all sound like retards using a term like "box" to begin with you know right. It's like when people call a stream a frame. Cringe as fuck.

>>42172658
>for the love of God another one who can't read ?
>lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler
Every anon in the chain was saying the "lack" you claimed is wrong, and in contrast, many members suited and performed well in what should be described as "background helper, organizer, and tard wrangler"
Your whole argument defending this in your original post is just circular reasoning. Because Niji doesn't have the "strong box" you claim so it proved your point, while the reason Niji doesn't have this box is because of your point. It's simply retarded. Just admit you don't really know and don't have any argument back it up.
>in small corpo most of their fan don't know like more than 2 other member beside their oshi
The reason I bring up the fact Niji's "net" is bigger is that it can still be functional with agency-wise events, which proves that there isn't a lack in any of the roles you aforementioned.
>>42172960
>I-it isn't because I said so
Typical /#/nigger brainlet behavior.

>>42172960
>tourists watching the people they don't know
lmao, holocope, if i don't interest in something, i will completely ignore it like many idolshit companies like hololive or that jew kike's idol group

>>42172960
same but with hololive. 2mil subs channel and getting niji viewer numbers, what happened? Holofans don't watch every holo, if any, and this is proven with the same holo#fag logic/stats and discussion about stream content

>>42173095
blame SEA thinking the new holoshill vocabulary they learned is the best thing ever

>>42172440
>Holofans watch every Holo
most retarded post ITT

>>42172960
You're not allowed to speak the truth

>>42172960
>Huge event with multiple chuubas who have different fans
>The fans get together to watch their oshi participate in the event
>event ends so the fans go back to watching only their oshi
It's not rocket science anon.

>>42173644
And you just described why there is no Nijibox. Hololive event with Marine and Pekora ends? Viewers funnel to Koyori playing Super Mario. Koshien ends and 250k people are free? No noticeable incline in anyone else's stream. Nijisanji doesn't have a box. It has tourists.

is box a numbernigger speak? i never visit that thread

>>42173751
There is no niji box, there's a niji net, which is exactly what I described.
You can't be a tourist if your oshi is in the event and you just watched for your oshi.

>>42173142
>it's not as strong but still functional with big event so i declare it's not lacking
the discussion here is Holobox vs Nijibox no one said it's not functional at all you dumbfuck but when compared with Holobox they are not as strong so yes they lack of it, doesn't mean they don't have any to fill the roles but they are lacking of it compared to Hololive, just admit you're retarded and kys

>>42173791
/#/ is kind of like a much more retarded and less entertaining version of DBS threads.

>>42173751
>waching niji's "liver", buying his "liver" oshi's merch, watching niji's event which include his "liver" oshi
>tourist
Do holobronies really?

>>42173989
>Only shows up to streams with his oshi
>Never watches his oshi's fellow livers' streams
>Meanwhile Hololive has viewers who will watch their oshi and then watch other girls in the same org because of a strong sense of shared community
How are you so retarded?

>>42173939
>no one said it's not functional at all
I see, your whole way of argument is "I-I didn't say this word why will you use this word". So convincing.
>when compared with Holobox they are not as strong
I have already stated their difference. The fact that you just keep using "strong" as some kind of buzzword without any proof is just hilarious
>so yes they lack of it
>they are lacking of it compared to Hololive
Yeah, Nijisanji has more talents than has ever planned branch-wide or even agency-wide events, and always be at a bigger scale of almost every event they planned. But somehow they still "lack it" only because:
>I SAID THEY ARE NOT STRONG
Trying to argue with a drooling moron is really like talking to a brick wall.

>>42174188
>Hololive has viewers who will watch their oshi and then watch other girls in the same org because of a strong sense of shared community
this was already proven false multiple times. Get a new marketing jingle

>>42174291
>i-i said they are different so it's doesn't mean they are better or stronger because i said so
cope,when most fan only watch because big event while the other fan of different company would watch other without big event of even a collab, it means their box is stronger, you're just trying to deflect the fact
>Trying to argue with a drooling moron is really like talking to a brick wall.
holy projecting, rumao

>>42158974
She's been on a bit of an eternal hiatus lately, innit? Bit sad.

>>42174820
And here he is, dodging the question about how he is able to claim they "lack certain role" without repeating his "strong box" headcanon.
The "strong" in your definition has nothing to do with any role you aforementioned. I have already said that when the number of talents is physically impossible for fans to do that, even if every member is supportive, this way of watching others in the same company simply because they are able to can't fucking exist.
That's why your argument is retarded. The "le strong box" narrative you want to push has nothing to do with the "lack of certain role" argument. The whole way you defend your stupid argument is by saying your narrative proves it, but somehow you fucking said it was the factor that proves your narrative is true IN YOUR FIRST POST.
Thus, you are pulling it out of your ass. Is this really hard for your moronic ESL brain to understand?
Not to mention Niji is more significant in total, which is also a fact. Your fucking "le strong box" is just a headcanon you invented to shill.

>>42170667
Are you a genuine retard? Are you literally autist? We are not arguing about who is better. We are arguing about your claim that Nijisanji don't have supportive members.
>Nijisanji can't create the same scale of "box" like Hololive because they don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler,
And I gave explanation that it exist. They do have it and more.
>>42164669
And you just keep go on and go on about how Holobox is better even tho that is not my point at all. Holobox have nothing to do with this argument. I'm arguing about Nijisanji did have supportive members/box/network.

>>42175527
Relax sister, it's just anime women. Don't need to get so defensive about your box being weaker than Holo's.

>>42172960
salome was botted though
she never even had that many tourists
a drop from 100K to 10K? c'mon now
obvious IPO scam
all the rest i agree with

>>42175604
>I-I'm just trolling.
Lmao. You lost.

>>42150876
>Nijisanji: Have Pomu
>Hololive:Does not have Pomu
Only reason for me

>>42173227
holos have been culled
their actual viewership is at least twice as high

>>42173791
>>42173973
isn't it from 5ch?

>>42176106
Not trolling, everything I said about the Nijibox being weaker is both true and verifiable by the /#/ thread, which has actual data rather than speculative rhetoric like your posts. Just telling you not to sperg out at every fact thrown your way. That's woman behavior and no one will take you seriously if you do it.

>>42175527
no amount of argument will be enough for retard like you
and Niji already got overthrown since like late 2020, having tourist watch once in a while company wide event like koshien means shit, there is no need to shill, maybe you're the one who try to shill all this time by tryhard arguing everything to make your company looks "good" lol

>>42151003
Niji made it impossible to watch just one of the streamers, everyone else has to be forced into everything

>>42175573
>your claim that Nijisanji don't have supportive members
another retard who can't even read, yet calling other people retard, oh the irony

>>42172960
>This is verifiable from /#/
Have you considered a career in comedy? This is one of the funniest things I've read in a while

>>42176568
your box and numbers are hollow. The same numbers from /#/ thread prove that. There's no need to be mad that niji had a great year in 2022 and killed all of holo's milestones besides coco's graduation

>>42176568
>HAHA I won with no agument because no argument will be enough for you!
kek. Pathetic
>having tourist watch once in a while company wide event like koshien means shit
>I-it doesn't count just because I said so
lmao, at the end of the day, coping like those /#/niggers. No wonder you are using the same narrative directly from /#/
>Koshien 320K
>NJU 240K + unknown number in NND
>Nijimariokart 194K
>Summer live 200K
>New year's eve live 200K
>Holomariokart 112K (marjong mtournament in the same weekend 130K)
>O-overthroned
Keep coping fella.

>>42176568
Why does anyone in your number thread care about silly CCV numbers and this other garbage when you can immediately see who is more successful with the financials?
(I already know the answer it's because it doesn't show hololive winning)

It's just contrarians who think popular=bad. Especially with the EN branches. HoloEN is a lot bigger than NjiEN so the contrarians will go for the underdog

>>42174188
>watching boring streams out of duty instead for your own amusement
holobronies are NPC huh

So who's trolling who in this autistic box argument.

>>42177107
is /vt/ the only board where you will be called a contrarian for supporting the most popular and successful company in the industry?

>>42176792
>>42176960
>i won once a while with big event but got constantly mogged without it
not sure who is coping here, maybe you need more event to make it up so it become "regular", i suggest more graduation rush, kek

>>42177285
>dudging all questions and started the classic numbernigger talk about daily
>wishing for graduations of his opposing tribe simply because he got BTFO'd in an argument
The true color of a pathetic Holobrony.
Really amusing ngl.

>>42177107
people have already listed reasons why people would watch niji over holo. What does holo have besides supposed popularity, a supposed box, and supposed better workplace environment? They have no little to no selling point

>>42177032
>Cover administrative expenses
Does Hololive have like four managers per vtuber or what the fuck is up with that?

>>42176470
>everything I said about the Nijibox being weaker is both true
No. You never said that. You outright said it doesn't exist, which is actually worst. Also this is not about strong or weak. But exist or don't exist.
>Not trolling,
At this point you better off just admit you are trolling.
>verifiable by the most schizo and most, may Allah forgive me for uttering this word, toxic general in /vt/ who helbent trying to kill Nijisanji because they told them to fuck off for posting Asacoco back in /jp/.
>out at every fact thrown your way
I don't see you post any fact. You just keep screaming "muh holobox" "muh holobox is stronk" like retarded parrot.
You clearly have no other argument other than "muh holobox" and it have nothing to do with this argument. You lost. Now kill yourself.

>>42176789
Let's read your dumb post again.
>not sure what you mean but if you mean watch them as a group, there is no reason to watch Nijisanji, Hololive is simply better choice, Nijisanji can't create the same scale of "box" like Hololive because they don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler, also thanks to accelerate make them disconnected more faster
And I will highlight which of your statement is the dumbest and the main point of our argument.
>they don't have as strong foundation as Hololive, lack of members who serve as background helper, organizer and tard wrangler,
This is where you are wrong.

>>42177458
>already proved Holobox is stronger
>>dodging question
>he started numberfagging to prove they are better because their number on big events
>got told the fact that they got mogged without it
>>w-why are you numberfagging
also it's not my fault many Niji graduate, i can't even remember most of their name, simply a suggestion since you want to win in number that much, no need to cry faggot

>>42150876
I was introduced to live vtubers from Nijisanji first and I was a fan of Era before she graduated, pre-recorded vtubers wasn't really appealing for me to watch back in 2016 with Kizuna Ai, Hinata, Mirai, etc.

Personally I find the Niji JP branch to cater more towards Japanese local culture, topics and hobbies as you would commonly see being discussed in /jp/. The Niji JP streams often have plenty inside jokes which people wouldn't necessarily understand or be able to relate with the topics that was brought live in their streams.

Clips generated back in 2020 from Holo JP talents trying their best to appeal to the western audience while having broken ESL English was very endearing, on top of that Coco's attempts to educate the talents with western pop-culture was an ingenious move, the streams are always a gold mine to precious moments for clips so that I can easily recommend Holo to my weeb friends back in 2020. Nowadays I feel like there are way too many restrictions for the female Holo talents stream, especially in the EN branch, even if they're good coworkers the interactions both live on stream or in twitter never seem to be genuine just because that they have to hold back so much with what they are allowed to say just for the sake of delivering a joke, up to swearing and bantering. The limitations really showed right after Coco left the company, to a point where I felt like I'm watching a PG rated 4kids anime dub every time I tune in to Holo EN's streams live. It's such a shame that I can't get myself motivated to watch more Holo just because of this, yet I watch everything else ranging from Niji and NijiEN, vspo, indies, half-ass normie twitch chuubas, phase, kawaii, anyone I see their streams entertaining.

tl;dr: I only watch unhinged streamers with decent humor for their social interactions with their fans and coworkers.

>>42150876
I watch Enna because I like watching other people have sex with the woman I love

>>42177730
They have considerably more employees nowadays. They have something like 379 last time I checked while Anycolor have around 230. I think the average wage of an Anycolor employee works out higher when you look at both their balance sheets though.

>>42178381
>already proved Holobox is stronger
Everything is proven in your head, anon.
no amount of argument will be enough for retard like you. kek.
>using numbernigger cope and thinking daily ccv race is something anyone cares about outside their little hugbox
>Get BTFO'd , crying and wishing for others' graduation but still needs to cope by b-because you want to win my little game
Now say that without crying.

>>42178363
again, they are lacking compared to Hololive if not their box would be as strong as Hololive, it's simple logic

>>42178871
>the amount of irony and projecting
Now say that without crying

>>42178935
>they are lacking (supportive members)
Wrong. They, in fact have more (supportive members).
>if not their box would be as strong as Hololive, it's simple logic
Your logic is simply retard. And I destroyed your dumb logic with a simple fact. Also that is not the argument here.

>>42178717
So at the end of this reporting period March 31, 2022 Cover had 306 employees. Their total salary bill (including everything from executive compensation down to education and training expenses on the image in the linked post) was 1,278,835,000 that works out at 4,179,199 yen average per person. Anycolor at that time had 230 employees (pg 10 below) with an average salary of 5,166,000 yen per person.
https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material_for_fiscal_ym4/123862/00.pdf
Your average Anycolor employee is making around $40k a year, your average Cover employee is making around $32k a year. According to my calculations based on this stuff.

>>42150876
I only watch Selen, i ignore the rest

>>42179717
Wow, so Cover is really a black company huh?

>>42179717
I made a slight miscalculation total salary bill should be 1,440,437,000. Which gives 4,707,310 yen divided by 306 employees or around $36k a year. So still lower than Anycolor on average.

>>42179637
>they have more
retard they can have way more but if it's not enough to create a strong box it means they are lacking, you can even have just 1 or 2 to be this "supportive member" but if it is enough to create a strong box then it is enough, it's clear that you're too retarded to understand words properly

>>42179717
>implying anycolor even pays their staff and livers

>>42180687
They do as a matter of fact and more than Cover does. The numbers prove it.

>>42178717
>fiscal reports
after the whole twitter thing where they had ghost employees and imaginary positions getting paid im not trusting any fiscal reports ever again

i enjoy watching mito/ mashiro/ rofmao

Tried watching nijsanji way back but they are just basically bootleg otk/otv but with anime avatars and that was boring.

>>42180706
>The numbers prove it.
Unless you have a screenshot of their payslip your numbers prove shit anon

>>42150876
Because it makes (You) seethe
>>42151003
but really, this. fpbp.

>>42176960
>comparing youtube magic numbers

>>42180859
This is what they call cope. Denying objective evidence because it doesn't fit your narrative.

>>42150876
its just a matter of taste, not even a matter of company just watch people you enjoy watching its not that hard.

i know a lot of people prefer niji because they think theyre less prudish but theyre not all like that.

>>42176960
HoloJP beat NijiJP in hours watched the past month (pic related) despite NijiJP streamed almost 4 times more and that they debuted 7 new members so now they have 147 vs 35 from Holo. also you can check vrabi and see that Holojp wins in cumulative peak ccv against NijiJP everyday, they get more viewers whit their tournaments than Holo's but all that people aren't invested enough to watch regular streams they are just tourists

>>42150876
Because they entertain me? What kind of question is this???? Kek, why would someone watch entertainment? Of course to watch entertainment in the first place

Has this thread just been two ESLs arguing about "boxes" for like 6hrs now?

>>42180900
>objective evidence
>no payslip
your confusing subjective evidence with objective evidence anon. objective would be you showing their payslip while subjective is you doing a self report by using the numbers available to you.

>>42181132
I'm not confusing anything. You are rejecting objective evidence of the companies average salaries because you don't like what the evidence shows. You are coping.

>>42181079
>262 replies, 101 IPs (counting me)
So, yeah, 2 ESLs with like 80 posts each and then a bunch of tourists gawking

>>42181079
boxes is the newest cope in an argument about content apparently

>>42181174
Again you are confusing subjective evidence with objective evidence anon, Are you ESL by any chance?

>>42159742
I Miss when press don't know shit about Minecraft, that is the only good Minecraft stream i watch

I only watch Holo because I like more solo content, I like the events and because my oshi is there. Sometimes when I see niji is always "collab, collab, collab, collab, collab, collab, collab, collab, collab, collab, collab" some of them survive just by doing collabs, and that's a real shit for me. I love collabs, but when the only way that people know about your existance is for being in those, idk I would get tired of it, the only niji I'm subbed is Selen.

Watch whoever you want, this isn't a "you can only choose one". And don't make retarded questions

>>42181347
I'm not confusing anything. A subjective point of view focuses on a personal interpretation of the subject, while an objective viewpoint is based on factual data. I am presenting factual data, not a personal opinion. It's about as objective as evidence gets. It isn't just my opinion that Anycolor pays more the data shows they do. It's objective.

>>42150876

>>42172318
nta, but marine is literally a mito child, and they obviously have vastly different life experiences. marine's zatsudans are more about human interactions she had before, while mito travels obsure places on top of talking about anything under the sun including stories from the film industry that she had first hand experience with. mito also does "obscure otaku talk" and her entire character revolved around being a "subculture woman" when she was starting out so i don't even know why you're so proud of that one when almost every other vtuber nowadays can do that, even sana natori knows more obscure shit than marine. sure, marine is irreplaceable these days, but there's a reason why mito isn't six feet under yet like most vtubers that came from her era, and why her existence has spawned a dozen of vtubers.

>>42181424
>I only watch Holo because I like more solo content
I assume you mean NijiEN when you talk about lots of collabs because there are many NijiJPs that never collab at all.
But still even with NijiEN if you look at
>>42163767
you see that NijiEN streams a lot more than HoloEN, so even if you removed every single collab from Pomu or Selen or Elira or whoever, it would still be more solo hours than most HoloEN stream hours with collab hours included
So I dont really think the "they only collab spam" argument really holds

>>42181424
>>42182147
I don't think NijiEN even collab that much anymore to begin with. Pomu has 1 collab scheduled, Selen has 1 collab scheduled, Elira has 0 collabs scheduled. That perception is from a long gone era.

You faggots really have free time to argue about fucking boxes huh? I don't even have much free time to watch oshi or even play games, being an adult sucks!

>>42182636
but have time shit post here. Priorities!

>>42182314
>I don't think NijiEN even collab that much anymore to begin with
Thanks God, that era of collab spam was the worst
1-2 collabs a week should be the limit instead of 3-4 like before

>>42150876
Nijisanji has Rosemi simple as that

>>42151003
>watching streams

>>42182314
>Tales of Vesperia
>Metal Gear 1 & 2
>Dead Space remake
Some pretty good games.

>>42180523
>retard they can have way more but if it's not enough to create a strong box
We are not arguing about that. Forget about dumb box. Nijisanji have more supportive members than Hololive contrary to what dumbass like you believe. This is fact, end of story.

>they are lacking
Lacking what? Again forget about the 'box'. You never explain about this 'box' and you keep bringing this 'box' eventhough it has nothing to do with this argument. It's clear that you're too retarded to understand the whole discussion.

>>42150876
If you are an EOP and now that Tempus is a thing, it's more of a "why would you watch Holo over Niji" to be honest

>>42157219
I'm in a similar boat, I still like Flare because she's literally me frfr and her cliques are fun in my opinion, but most of the time I watch VSPO and NijiJP now.
>>42157667
2020 haachama is dead, she's merely a husk of her former self now.

Gonna ignore the numberfags and answer OP's question.

I stopped watching HoloEN because of different reasons. The main one was the lack of motivation from staff and the streamers.
Only Kiara and Ame were able to do some kind of project branch wise, the fact that a Big Event from Holo is just an Amogus colab is sad. Both got tired (totally understandable) and any kind of colab is dead.
Council didnt add much to the branch. A vsinger without a 3D model, a total heresy. More introverts to the mix, and the back hort chapter. The holobros simping too hard does not help at all, the fact that everything is forgiven is actually a cancer. No drive to improve or do anything if the money keeps flowing.

>>42157667
>eat spiders
that is so children game, i am talking about 7 different spieces of bug here

>>42164685
it's her job, quite literally

>>42164685
Just look at her SC, she made 30k with 3view this month

>>42172960
if numbers actually bothered to check things, there has been an increase in subs and VOD views around the month salome debuted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3POM7P7leis

>>42151003
fpbp

>>42150876
Just watch who you want