/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>42050746
>Thoughts?
None, I don't give a fuck about Holostars

>Hey guys, evil management says I have to make more money
>So if you guys could spend more money, you could save me from evil
DYRB

Considering all the shit they get for their piss poor performance, they damn well fucking should.

>>42050746
So let me get this straight they knew it was a dead end branch added more faggots into it and now they're realizing their investments are worth dick?

Why is a professional streamer for a big company not doing at least one memlimit stream a week?

the fuck is this dogshit reddit clickbait garbage
fuck off nigger this isnt your politics tabloid, youre not a journalist

>>42050746
>Thoughts?
Shouldn't have taken on more people if the ship's already sinking.

>>42050746
good, if they can't pull their own weight they don't deserve to be in the company

Well, why would I join x streamer's membership?
Assuming I'm not starstruck (lol) what's in it for me?
The talents need to answer that question and act accordingly.

>>42050746
Don't most of JP treat holostars as an afterthought? Temma, Izuru, Shien, Oga, and Uyu (maybe others). No wonder management is pissed at them.

>>42050746
>Oh no I will have to do more Fanservice and have to do more memebership streams
How is this a bad thing for US the viewers tho? I wish the EN girls I follow did Members streams like koyo

>>42050746
I feel like that last line was only said ironically.

What are you expecting from this thread?
Is making a clip from a membership stream that at the end will just be used for more shitposting, leeching, or numbers posts since most of this place doesnt watch or care about the stars worth it?

>Starsfags on full damage control already
You love to see it.

>>42050746
>Thoughts?
0. Idgaf about the Stars. Barely anyone does.

>>42050746
Couldn't care less about homostars. Graduate all of them and nothing would change in the industry

>>42050746
wow they really are beggars

>>42050746
You don't know how bad things are when you have to compete with cute girls and femboys.

The absolute state of the homos.

>>42050746
fucking finally, time to stop being a waste of money surviving with the girls revenue

>>42050746
Great news. With how much cover has invested into holostars compared to crumbs that girls get it is great to see the management finally beginning to demand some results.
Hopefully faggots who can't pull their weight will get graduated.

>>42050746
My though? none, just reality catching up. Stars were a pet side project who never actually did well. They probably got are getting their last chance around here, you see the desesperation for month with all the chilling who resulted in nothing but income loses for cover. At some point thing that don't work just don't work and getting free from sink cost falacy is about the best for everyone, the stars members included.

>>42050746
Very interesting but have you heard about the latest Millie yab?

>>42050746
>Fanservice
Uhhh Starsbros? I thought you told me they didn't fujobait?

>>42050746
Astel was worried about a policy change that he called a silent nerf. That he was expecting sad announcements this year and seemed to be considering graduation. It seems like Cover is either reducing their salary and/or reducing their revenue split. I guess Oga was angry enough to flat out tell his fans what was happening. If this gets really bad a few holostars might decide to go indie.

>>42050771
It might be a company wide change and Ollie was also recently talking about sad news.

LMAO at all the nijifags ITT trying to deflect from their yab

>>42050746
Although the upkeep for the vtuber itself isn't that high, you gotta remember that Cover invests a ton into StarsJP. I think there's more money pouring into support StarsJP than HoloEN/ID combined.

I hope they pressure the girls to do more fanservice too

>>42053087
>there's more money pouring into support StarsJP than HoloEN/ID combined.
i love how confidently /vt/ spouts straight up lies without any source.

>>42050746
good, its about time these leeches start pulling their own fucking weight

>>42050746
BLACK COMPANY

>>42052867
>Ollie
So the shitters got told to get their shit together.

>>42052867
Astel has a history of doing huge complicated birthday projects that eat up tons of studio time, and he's bitched about Cover resisting this every year. It seems like he finally got a firm no because they're just too busy to do what he wants again.
Ollie also didn't mention any sad news, she was just talking with her manager about how she could improve her numbers, and they basically said "stop playing Apex off stream and making schizos angry"

>>42052867
The salary is pretty negligible, it's part time minimum wage tier iirc. Also, wasn't Astel's thing that management won't budge on letting him do high production 3D lives anymore?

Idk even Axel and Kiara said there will be changes. Management probably decided to standardize things like stream a certain amount of hours per week and such. Nobody gets special treatment, even those who suddenly disappear from streaming.

>>42053338
Kiara's comments were in October and she hasn't said anything since. Funnily enough the timeframe she was complaining about lines up with when Tempus 2 arrived
Everyone else complaining has been on the Holostars side and I'm sure that's not a coincidence

>>42053338
Kiara's shit isn't even related, hers is most likely that her alternate hairstyle got delayed which is what she said recently.

>consistently give the guys gay as fuck models
>no one wants to watch them
No steering of the ship is going to change anything. Cover dug this hole themselves.
Murabashi Inasogo does not want to come home and watch Oga twerking.

>>42053141
Just look at amount of 3D stuff made by them. Studio isn't free. It cost money to make their 3D streams.

>>42053338
Sounds like a good change, if the company keeps offstream workload low enough to stream, which considering other streamers i think they do anyway. Time to get rid of the non existing projects excuse

>>42053459
They straight up don’t recognize this for some reason. Same with shota/femboy models. Like how many fucking shota models that fail miserably are you gonna make until you realize nobody wants to watch them.

Theyre trying to corner the fujo market and its not working

>>42053301
>Ollie also didn't mention any sad news, she was just talking with her manager about how she could improve her numbers, and they basically said "stop playing Apex off stream and making schizos angry"
lmao can I get a qrd on this or a vod time stamp

>>42053464
Most 3D stuff is funded by the girls/guys themselves. Cover is pretty bad about investing their money back into talents. I think their 3D debut is about the only thing they actually front the cost for.

>>42050746
At least they'll have to try to not be dead weight any more. Robechan's literally the only one carrying his own weight. Some of them have been doing this for 3 to 4 years now, imagine this being all you have to show for it.

Cover management is on drugs seriously that’s the only way I can explain this retarded behavior

>>42053592
bettel in the new tempus wave is doing well, the ikemen route is the safest route for a male vtuber

So holostars was never a passion project. They just wanted a piece of the Niji money pie. Cover is so greedy man seriously

>>42051517
>the guys who do actual bfe and love their unicorns treat stars as an afterthought

>>42052798
That's tempissfags, JP stars fans are literally all lonely femcels

Management should be pressuring these subsidized faggots to make more money. Just because they’re Yagoo’s closeted pet project doesn’t mean they should go around being fucking nobodies under a corporate banner forever. They should improve themselves.

>>42053802
What? Of course it was. The amount of shit they've received for years despite being irrelevant 3-views is ridiculous.

>>42053459
>existing HoloPro audience is mostly male
>men have a low tolerance for gayshit
>women already latch on to attractive male characters in non-gayshit media anyway
>literally no reason not to focus on making cool male designs that have lots of mass appeal
>make them gayshit anyway
I'm afraid the retardation is terminal.

>>42053743
Sasuga Cover. You could make anything in the world. Your imagination is the limit!
You picked furries and normie models. Cool I guess.

>>42051677
He did it so people could come in and shit on them for being coattail riders propped up by the actual popular side of the company. Simple as.

>>42053592
>>42053459
The weirdest part is that Yagoo flat out said that Tempus was aimed towards a male audience.

>>42053867
Seeethe

Be ready to have their asses shoved straight into your face on 4thfes

>>42050746
>star fags are finally getting gutted
B-B-B-B-B-BASED

The girls have been making Holostars live like kings for free for a long time. It's finally time they start making some money to give back

>>42053087
That’s crazy. Imagine spending more on the Holoshitters close to home when they could spend much less propping up any EN or ID and get a better return.

>>42053802
It was a passion project for sure, sounds like something changed in upper management recently where they want Stars to start showing results for all the support they've been given.

>>42054113
Shinove leaving is probably what kicked it off, he had a weird amount of pull to get them things way outside what they deserved.

>yagoo out of nowhere telling his fuckboys to finally earn their share
My rrat is that Vesper's meltdown + the usual JP/Astel menheraness had something to do with this

>>42054337
Or maybe IPO

>>42054232
Yeah, from the stories JP stars have said in the past, he would actually fight upper management to get them stuff. Astel's first 3D live (with the train) only happened because Shinove was fighting for Astel.

>>42053968
doesn’t really square with the audition asking for experience with female geared content
I think they just had no idea what direction they wanted to go

>>42054517
No one would hire Vesper to pander to women, the dude's literally your drunkard uncle except he grew up on anime and CRPGs

Upper management saw how much cash StarsEN is pulling with memberships and started asking why the JP branch isn't anywhere near that. Tempiss has a massive culture of gifting memberships, so it's not a surprise they want something similar in the JP branch.

>>42053459
I think this was part of the reason why Kaoru was well on his way to being the top homo before bailing. Having a good model anyone could enjoy looking at plus hitting it big with shit like beyblade asmr.

>>42054863
It's because of the twitch culture to gift subs and the only benefit are emotes. While JP culture is more reserved since memberships open up more personal and exclusive streams that current members would not want open to the general gray fags. That is unless you are a watamate that wants to eliminate all gray in chat,

>>42054812
Vesper has been acting like a little bitch though, so that may be relatable to women. Birds of a feather and all that.

>>42053459
>consistently give the guys gay as fuck models
Unironically this. I stopped watching Aruran because of his model change, but his was worse because he WANTED to be some bitchboy instead of a cool older guy that wasn't bara-bait or some other gay shit, just some cool design. And he fucking dropped it. Unbelievable.

Shinove...

>>42055260
Everyone says that but the truth is that he made the least money out of the entire branch and the old man model was probably a big part of the reason why, unfortunately random 4chan posts from people who don't even watch holostars saying that his model is cool don't put food on the table

>>42053087
>I think there's more money pouring into support StarsJP than HoloEN/ID combined.
LOL, imagine being this delusional

>>42053968
That is a big misinterpretation of what he said. Yagoo said Tempus is intended to appeal to both women and men. He meant vtubers that could appeal to women without alienating men, not ones that would be primarily targeting only men.

>>42050746
Cover finally realizing where all the money to invest in their Holostars vanity projects actually comes from? Huh. Maybe these dipshits will realize they can't keep cannibalizing the existing audience.

>>42055462
I tried watching Aruran and talked to him in Japanese and got told to read the room.
Like with Watame I just jumped in and was like fuck yeah, sheep girl wooo and made her laugh. No time invested.
Aruran has a way of doing things. He's an investment. Why do I need to read this room, this specific room, in a 5 story apartment complex?
So yeah. Imagine as an audience member trying to mold yourself to get along with Aruran, and then justifying a superchat or membership. I say this as someone who wanted to join Holostars and initially have Aruran the old man as my Japan buddy.
In that scenario I had trouble bonding with him. Imagine some random or actual troll. Shoulda just stayed a pizza slice, champ.

>>42050746
>Thoughts?
Even if it has more bells and whistles a sales job is a sales job. Hit the numbers or hit the unemployment line.

>>42053087
Ok, buddy.

>>42053301
Did the voices in your head tell you that? Astel's last anniversary in December was cutting it so close they didn't even rehearse, but sure, he's "eating up studio time." Also if you bothered to watch him instead of spouting nonsense you'd know the director and staff were happy with how things turned out and are glad Astel's ideas help them learn how to handle new things (because it helps all the other talents too), and said he was looking forward to working with Astel again.

He also mentioned the thing he was talking about was company wide, but sure, it's him they specifically said no to.

>>42056129
>Also if you bothered to watch him
No one bothers to watch the homos, that's precisely the problem they're facing anon

>>42055902
Lmao. Having to “read to room” to type comments or interact with a streamer. Dude sounds like a complete faggot.

wow thats too bad still not watching the homos and definitely not membering them

>>42051652
What's Koyo's membas like?

>>42056129
Whatever this change is, only holostars are really complaining about it, and Astel seems particularly put out. That suggests it's not money related, since he's seemingly one of their best earners. I can't see what else he'd have to be mad about besides his creative projects being impacted.

>>42056171
>Anon makes false statements
>Actually if you watched him you'd know that's not true
>lol who even watches them

Every single time.

>>42050746
Please, Cover, let us just return to our bro corner in irrelevancy, I beg of you...

>>42054232
Him probably leaving was perhaps due to the upcoming changes.

>>42056664
Too late, EN dragged them into the shit

>>42056873
People keep saying this but he explained why he leaved. But I guess /vt/ doesn't believe anyone can ever be genuine and will just say he was lying.

>>42050746
>Thoughts?
Gotta fund raise more homo money so they can make homoID branch for maximum homo coverage.
Not even Cover is that stupid.
My serious answer is some suit probably thinks they aren't making enough money and is putting the squeeze on Yagoo to prove they can turn a bigger profit I dunno.

>>42052551
>has invested into holostars compared to crumbs that girls get

Imagine unironically, truly, genuinely, believing this. Baffling.

>>42050746
I don't know how much, if any , of this is true but it's bad for all branches male or female. It puts pressure on the talents and sour the mood.
The more popular tanlents won't care but the rest will feel the pressure creeping as it affects the lower tiers.
I hope it's not like that

>>42057502 (me)
One of the good thing in hololive is that nobody is left behind. Things might not be fantastic but you won't get thrown out. There's always another day for new things to come.
This changes that positivity

>>42057502
Nah it will only be bad for the homos. lower tier holos are already earning more than middle tier nijis discounting their ridiculous 3D debut superchat and that also means more than 90% of vtuber in the industry.

>One of the good thing in hololive is that nobody is left behind
And will always be true to Hololive. Holostars already left behind the moment they are debuted, about time they start earning their keep.

>WHY WESTERN MAN MAKE MONEY AND NOT YOU?!

>>42050746
I guess they're finally cracking down on Stars low performance. Its sink or swim from now on. Vesper better start pulling his fucking weight instead of being an antisocial dramaqueen

>>42053464
The talents largely fund those projects themselves.

>>42056256
The JPstars all behave like entitled faggots that way because they get coddled by Yagoo like his favorite pets.

>>42050746
Of course, Agencies are not charities.

>>42050746
Management wouldn't be in this trouble if they didn't create a Holostars in the first place

>>42050746
The holostars don't try, but they complain a lot. It's not just the gender that is disliked by the holo-live fans.

>>42057502
>>42057652
>It puts pressure on the talents and sour the mood.
Nigga i rather them start to pressure Stars rather than let them coast as they are now. Also
>This changes that positivity
I'm more inclined to agree with this anon >>42058117

>>42058117
>Nah it will only be bad for the homos.
We cannot rule out that the girls will have tighter objectives, too.

If this is true, the push for VG early debut was to see if stars is worth the investment to more groups in the future.

>>42058717
What objective lol. considering how flaky half of the roster is the only objective that needed for the girls are actually to stream, that's all. And even then, they can just do 1 stream per month and still earning more than a stars who stream everday in a month. So yes, there's a reason why the homos are the only one who complained about it.

>>42050746
So what I take from this is that cover is not only siphoning money from Superchats but even from memberships. Fuck corpos.

>>42053176
They aren't talking about the girls is more like the homo investment didn't pay off and cover has to recoup their losses.

how much of a cut does cover take from superchats and memberships now? 30%?

>>42050746
What an unreasonable request...

>>42059278
I think it gets negotiated by girl, probably depends on how much they make. I can't see some of the lesser earners sticking around if they were getting huge chunks of their money sucked away.

>>42059278
35% is the industry standard (from 70% that already cut 30% from youtube). you apparently able to renegotiate the cut on contract renewal.

>>42053464
Looks like you are new to hololive, hm?
Aside from branch-wide events or gen-wide outfits, marketing and merchandises, everything else is handled by the talents financially.
There isn't such a thing as Cover paying for things.

>>42051148
JP stars hasn't added new people in quite a while. Get your shit straight.

>>42059792
uproar sisters... we don't exist...

>>42058260
Kek probably true

>>42059792
U-Uproarsisters, ww@...

>>42059792
I’m pretty sure half the point of holostars en was to boost the international popularity of the JP holostars, which has not worked at all, and now we’re here

>>42055260
The saddest thing is that (at least from what I saw) his average viewership didn't even increase after that, so what was the point
Didn't really watch Aruran ever since he traded pizzadad model for DJboy model, mostly just watching Oga now out of all HoloStars

>>42050746
Is this because Tempus is doing better than them?

>>42059446
sorry i'm slow, 35% of the overall or 35% from what's left over after youtube (so 24.5% of the overall supa/mem)? either way that's a pretty hefty chunk

>>42060461
must be a compromise
>Ok guys, the StarsEN to raise StarsJP popularity masterplan? Failed miserably. We know there's no way to save this project anymore, so let's at least raise the fixed income per month.

>>42060461
Japanese autism shaders fully activated? I could see the Japanese Stars managers being upset and confused as to why EN stars is more popular and punishing the JPs.

>>42059392
i would actually think it's the other way round. when you're a higher earner you have more negotiating power, and even a low earner in hololive in probably making more than she would if she were with another company, even accounting for cover's cut

>>42060614
Sorry, it's my ESL ass, but it's 35% from what's left from post-youtube cut (70%). So it's technically 50% split between the company and the talent. You can negotiate the cut by raising one to decrease the another on contract renewal apparently, at least on holo. dunno with other corpo.

>>42050912
I think the majority of vtubers do 1 membership stream a month or less.

>>42060707
>and even a low earner in hololive in probably making more than she would if she were with another company
Nazuna practically confirmed this kek. The former top earner in holo actually complained about income now.

>>42060707
Lamy was able to negotiate her SC cut around 5-6 months in iirc

>>42059881
>>42059911
That was almost year ago guys...

>>42061816
Still more recent than HoloEN or even HoloJP.

>>42061816
kek this just made me realize, for the past year, Cover debuted 12 holostars and 3 hololive. No wonder they're pissed now.

>>42053627
why would not streaming Apex make people mad????

>>42050746
>Thoughts?
I hope they won't make it and get disbanded.

>>42055902
>just jumped in and made her laugh
Is this what delusion looks like?

>>42060695
I wish I was a JP Holostar with a JP mommy mane-chan punishing me...

>>42061069
They all got changed at some point, Lamy wasn't the only one to talk about it. Everyone still assumes it's 50% but I don't think that's been true for a single holo since early 2021

>>42050746
I thought holocorns were saying Holostars was leaching off of Hololive's profits. How can that be true when management is telling the boys to make more money?

>>42062474
You can make her laugh as easily as making Kaela laugh(silent laugh but still). She is very easy to amuse and is unironically parasocial with her audience.

>>42062857
It's exactly because they were leeching off. Something changed in upper management and they have enough of this.

>>42063205
Did the voices tell you that?

>>42063358
No, I won't elaborate, but I can confirm that it's true.

>>42063358
Sister... I know for you women, this thing called logic is completely foreign concept, but it's just simple deduction. Homos are asked to increase money they earn. That means that whatever they earn right now is not enough for upper management.

>>42057007
I can't read Japanese why did he left ):

>>42050746
>begging
Like oshi like fans

>>42063051
Watame is just a sweetheart, very empathetic i think hence lots of laughing and crying, but is that parasocial?

>>42059911
>>42059881
Uproar is not holostars :')

>>42063358
work the process of elimination with every braincell left in your head, sister. Holostars manage to get all the benefits that hololive gets despite their indie startup-level numbers. And now the management asked them to increase their earnings, a year after they practically shafted new bloods for Hololive in favor of more Stars. Put the 2 and 2 together.

>>42050746
You mean they need to IMPROVE THEMSELVES?

>>42053918
>literally no reason not to focus on making cool male designs that have lots of mass appeal
How does a cool male design look like?

>>42063500
no proof then, tell the third voice in your head to fuck off

>>42064428
As I said, I won't (and can't) elaborate, but I can assure you that it's the truth. I will leave it at that.

>>42062857
>>42063358
>woman
>being this dumb
Yeah, it checks out.

>>42063358
the voices in his head makes more sense than the voices in your head anon

>>42050891
Wrong, Tempus gets hella membership gifts and subs meanwhile JP stars don't get shit if anything Tempus making bank from memberships put pressure on management to make changes on the JP side.

>>42064376
The ones that sell popular manga, anime, and video games. And only the audience determines that.

Unfortunately for anon gacha games heavily influence vtuber designs, and most gacha male characters are quite effeminate.

I wonder if the relative success of Tempus EN compared to Tempus JP has put JP under a lot of pressure like "if they can do it, why can't you, you lazy bums?"--I mean StarsJP have been kinding of getting away with things under the idea that it's just impossible to do anything under the cover banner with male models.

EN proves that wrong. Hell. NijiJP proves that wrong. They have many successful males. Maybe the StarsJP boys just...aren't that good?

>>42050746
so someone who is not a stars fan would go so far as to get their membership to report here where 95% hate the stars for existing( and many other reasons as they said pff) just to attract their fellow losers' thoughts. How ironic

anyway thank you anons for contributing to the stars even a little bit www

>>42065606
Stars fans don't exist sister. That's why management is telling them to start earning money pronto.

>>42054439
Bingo, they will do the purge like niji did when they IPO

>>42050891
tempiss is far more successfull than the jpstars, which probably is the reason they started pressuring them to "do more"
it's what I expect from dumbsuits, they see the number and not the reason aka western culture of gifting memberships

>>42062144
same reason Kronii playing on the MC server off-stream made people angry
>If you're already playing it, why not make money out of it by streaming?

>>42050746
I mean, it's good for them? Both for starsboys and Cover. Don't get comfortable at your current state if you want to survive in entertainment industry. But of course management also have to help them with ideas how to make people want to join their membership

>>42065560
Management has known that the Stars brand is a deterrent which is why they tried to rebrand with UPROAR (not Stars, remember that) and Tempus.

>>42050746
Nijichink deflection thread.

>>42064943
Of course they got tons of gift. They got $1 membership for stickers. No one in StarsJP have that.

>>42066218
People didn't even care if she was a mute for the whole stream. They just wanted to watch her play Minecraft.

>>42054863
This, StarsJP had no pressure and now that StarsEN is actually getting numbers the JP branch is being asked to keep up.

>>42062857
Holocorns make up unfounded rrats all or the time, Astel wouldn't have to spend tons of his money on shit if he had access to Peko money. It's pretty clear the holostars were always running on their own income. I really think this because Shinove is gone and the higher management is wondering why JPStars isn't making numbers when ENStars is making numbers just fine.

>>42050746
Uproar's performance compared to Tempus was probably the final straw.

>>42065560
>Tempus JP
The fact that this anon said "Tempus JP" symbolizes the entire problem. Imagine streaming for 2-3 years and getting out earned and overshadowed in a handful of months by your gaijin junior branch.

>>42064376
Anything by RAITA, even his goofiest/weakest male designs are great

>>42050746
>I'll need to do more fanservice
Perfect.

>>42066573
moron, you're only able to gift T2 $5 memberships.

Most of StarsJP is doing absolutely nothing to attract new fans and just settled on milking the fanbase they already have for merch. On the one hand I don't want them to be too stressed but on the other hand I'm glad someone finally told them that they actually need to attract new fans to keep their careers going long term. I'm curious to see what they will do, especially Hanakishi, the ones who previously put the least concern into numbers.

>>42069250
>hanakishi
temma should just learn english and inherit all of those high paying western fans tempus got

>>42063939
https://twitter.com/ReiganEv/status/1584460405912797185

>>42069337
Nobody is going to watch an ESL when native English speakers are available.

i feel bad about how much better the clown is doing than the rest of tempus 2 in terms of supas. the difference is a lot bigger than vesper and the rest of tempus 1.

>>42065560
Anon, even Holostars fans knew if there was ever a StarsEN they would overshadow JP, because the EN market is just way bigger. Lots of people who watch Tempus won't watch StarsJP purely because of the language barrier.

As for the JP market, NijiJP has such a chokehold on it that it's not just Holostars, there are very little male vtubers who can compete with them. And now that Niji is pushing its members to do idolshit, they're pushing Holostars out of the one box they could have succeeded in too, because they were already popular long before Holostars got decent traction.

Not to mention, unlike Niji, Holostars don't benefit from their brand name. The main Hololive audience will not watch special Holostar events, some of them don't even know there's a male branch.

>>42050746
Step your shit up StarsJP

>>42071756
it's a meme desu

>>42071925
You should be happy at least one guy in the second wave is getting some success. I honestly thought they were going to get Uproar'd.

I'll say this about StarsJP: a lot of them don't act desperate enough for a group with <1k averages.

>>42074906
Because the faggot CEO will pay for their 3D and whatshit anyway. Why the fuck do I need to work harder when my boss will give me special treatment for me than other coworkers.

>>42066331
>Management has known that the Stars brand is a deterrent
That's a consequence of the early decision to ban any association between Hololive and Holostars. I remember the old days when I first got into Hololive and thought that the Holostars must have something wrong with them because the girls never mentioned them, despite existing inside the same corporate structure. I wonder if it's a common issue for new fans even now and if the recent push for "Hololive Production" branding is an attempt to unfuck that issue.

Cover should pressure the Homofags, every bit of management that supported them, and all the girls who promoted them, into an early fucking grave.

>>42074906
Except for Roberu, Aruran, and Astel, the JP boys see Holostars as a side hustle. They aren't economically dependent on being chuubas and it shows.

>>42075090
It's a smart choice but a choice made far too late. The truth is the stars should have entered the JP market a year earlier than they did, because the market wasn't as saturated.

>>42050746
This is because YouTube has gotten more retarded, it's going to affect the stars more heavily but I imagine this affects everyone

>>42075727
>YouTube has gotten more retarded
What are they doing this time?

>>42054903
honestly if i could guarantee a model like that i'd apply
i want to at least feel something from my own model, make it feel like a real character worth caring about

>>42060321
I wonder why. My best guess is that the girls who already knew Japanese were either already watching them or not at all. It's just so much easier to watch streams when you can understand the talent and chat. And ironically a good deal of Japanese speaking girls I know actually seem to prefer cute girls to guys.
Stars have it rough I guess. I'm not really sure what they can all do together to promote themselves more, they already seem well networked with the other streamers at their viewership tier.

>>42075090
>>42075479
This. Holostars should've entered the market a year earlier and under the Hololive label.
Instead, they treated the branch they created like an invasive species and quarantined them off until it was too late.
Cover could've conquered the entire vtuber sphere, male and female but they caved to the idolbuta immediately.
People want to talk about the final yab but the stupid policy to ban Hololive and Holostars may as well have been that for stars

>>42068627
The EOP uses terminology they know from the marketing material directed at them.

>>42079839
Yeah, they should have just fired the entire Holostars branch when it became obvious that their growing audience just wanted to watch girls.

>>42079839
Fuck off, hololive blew up because people want to watch cute girls, not Niji 2.0

>>42079839
Fuck off beggar faggot, not even the stars themselves like you.

>>42064943
Tempus jobs are secure well the first gen say the least. Can't say the same for VG and stars jp.

>>42080223
I'm not begging for more collabs in 2023 retard
I'm saying anyone with business sense would realize the idea of starting a male branch then not attaching them to the growing brand is actually retarded
Doesn't even have to be collabs, just fucking acknowledge them together on posters or under the official main twitter account
And again, this is talking about when the branch started

>>42080116
Hololive blew up thanks to miko and her nigger moment.

>>42080374
No that's retarded, attaching a stagnant branch to a growing branch will end up killing them both

>>42080540
Motherfucker they weren't stagnant day 0

>>42050746
I Wonder if this is the sad news lots of vtubers were talking about

>>42080336
What are you on about VG has blended will into the StarEN fan base. Bettel being the super star of the group like vesper and the rest hitting 800-1.9 ccv. it could’ve been that StarEN success is what prompted the manager to put pressure on starJP.

>>42080588
>acknowledge them together on posters or under the official main twitter account
That's not a Day 0 only activity, if they prove to be stagnant, decisions have to be made

>>42079839
idol is the core of Hololive production, they acknowledge Holostars enough as part of the same production but the still a different group, Hololive is female idol group while Holostars is male idol group

>>42050746
Meanwhile Robel keep yelling "don't join my membership" over and over again in his latest zatsudan

>>42080737
He's trying to graduate to a better company

>>42080374
How do you attach a "male only idol streamer" branch to a "female only idol streamer" branch? The fact that people were harassing them shows their fanbase already KNEW about them, which is the only thing your idea would do, make more people know about them. If anything that would only damage the foundation of both branches if you immediately started trying to shove the two obviously conflicting projects together.

>>42050746
>MONEY MONEY MONEY
Holy shit, I feel bad for them. Meanwhile literal faces of Nijisanji don't have their memberships enabled.

>>42075253
Is there a rough idea what the others do? I would have thought Roberu would've seen it as a side job too but I'm not that familiar with him.

>>42050746
Time for the holostars to start an only-oshis

>>42050746
>Cover debuts a male vtuber unit
>virtually nobody wants this
>they're 3views as a result
>Cover keeps hiring male vtubers nobody wants for some reason
>"oh shit these guys don't generate much revenue"
>management asks them to make more money
>apparently this arduous labor amounts to having 3 member streams per month
>At least two Holostars whine about it
It's all a bad comedy

>>42056256
>>42058404
schizo posting as usual

>>42079839
>Holostars should've entered the market a year earlier and under the Hololive label
Holostars never should have entered the market at all.
>an invasive species
That's exactly what Tempus is. Stars JP to a lesser extent.
>the stupid policy to ban Hololive and Holostars
Backing off on intergender collabs is the only thing saving Hololive right now. And even then irreparable damage has been done to Hololive by Tempus.

>>42081169
you should feel bad about your countless whos first, at least Holostars got support they can have their own fes and such meanwhile countless whos in Niji they just left them rot, kek

>>42079839
Should've been disbanded a long time ago and leave the market to niji which is obviously doing better

>>42055462
He does it to himself. He had plenty of opportunities to play into it and turn it into his thing, and had many opportunities that gave him enough exposure to do so. Fucking ironmouse had been in his chat plenty of times during outfit reveals and such. He squandered every opportunity and then turned himself into some generic anime boy, dumping the last thing that made him truly unique. My 4chan post doesn't make him any money, but he doesn't know how to make money for himself to begin with and it's all due to his self-sabotage. Being "the old man" worked for Vesper, Aruran has been in the company for way longer and still failed to capitalize on that.

>>42082638
>meanwhile countless whos in Niji they just left them rot
Man, I really wish you're right, I don't give a fuck about the literally whos in Niji but they keep getting support that should've go to better livers instead. The fucking 5th anniversary 2-weeks long event is filled with literally whos with 0(zero) heavy hitter to carry their asses for fucks sake.
>>42082867
Why would they leave the market to Niji?Nijimales doing well is the exact reason why they need to keep pushing Holostars, just like how Niji just debut huge all-female group to try to fight Hololive, though it's not gonna work because the dumbfuck management is making those girls collab with males a week after they debut.

Free trial is over, time to make money

>>42050891
Tempus actually does preety ok holostars not soo much holo has invested way more in holostars jp they have been active for many years, have there own hologra,3d modles,concerts but haven't inclined only robaru is a 4 view it's unfortunate since they have worked very hard for years but aren't able to find there own audiance don't think holo will just let them go though having a male branch is good for the companies image

>>42065560
The thing is that most of the time for JP males, only Nijis are really successful with some few exceptions like Hal. Even the non-founder Neo Porte boys are doing worse than the girls and they mostly have FPS viewers. Holostars is actually one of the biggest male only Vtuber group in Japan and they're not even popular.

>>42083656
i'm right tho, got appear once a while for company anniversary event is not a support, Holostars still can produce songs and 3d quite often, meanwhile Niji just keep throwing shit to the wall hoping some of them sticks

>>42081368
I remember Temma saying that he has a part time job, Oga has a day job which is why he only streams at night, same with Uyu with his family business (I think cafe?). Rikka and Shien just got a job as seiyuu for a BanNam project though so there's that.

>>42081368
Talking about it in any more depth would be doxxshit so all I can say is that they have multiple priorities

>>42085118
Again, I really wish you're right but the reality is the literally whos just recently did multiple 3D events, all of them got less than 10k viewers, and they just shitted out 24 original songs in 2 months, more than half of those songs are for the literally whos.

>>42084920
>Tempus doing well
>StarsJP are 3views, which does turn a profit but they need to do more
>JP audience is oversaturated, less potential new fans
>JP audience doesn't donate as much money
>Hololive brand doesn't help them grow >Any growth they gain is based on their own effort
The only advice I can give to them is to look at Roberu, because he is one of them and he got out of 3view territory. They need to collab more with other chuubas that are indies or from other companies, they need to get out of their comfort zone, they need to capitalize on things and moments that make them more popular. Roberu is good at all of these things and he reaped the benefits.

>>42085631
retard-kun a lot of those people you listed is not lowest tier of Niji, being 3 view is already mid tier for Niji, Holostars is literally at the bottom but they got decicated events for themselves like Fes,Hologra they got support as proper branch, while Niji just cut off other branch and merge them with the rest trying to milk them as much as possible

>>42086612
>being 3 view is already mid tier for Niji
Holy fucking shit, I hope no one believes your bullshit.

>>42086341
Roberu is popular despite being a Holostar, there were nips who watched him and didn't even realize that he was a Holostar. The others will have to do the same thing and transcend their "Holostar" label and be seen as just chuubas, chuubas that are part of the broader JP chuuba community. Bawically they will have to LARP as indies who get support from making friends with others, since being part of their company isn't giving them a viewership boost. Astel has a slight buff that he gets from FPSfags for this same reason, some of his fans see him as a gamer first and a Holostar second.

>>42087007
yes that's their average as company 3view-1k ish, not my fault only some of them got good number while most of them is literal who tier, even decent indie chuuba is better than most Niji

>>42086341
That and they need to stand out more in collab. Aruran doesn't really get new viewers from his collabs because he doesn't really stand out like Roberu.
>>42087302
I even saw some tweets wishing Roberu to move into NoriPro.

difference here is JP is completely isolated whereas EN their audience is everywhere. Pretty sad because people just wanna watch Roberu more than the rest of them, his ship with him and Mea is doing very well

>>42087302
Too many of the JP boys are too fucking introverted for their own good, Roberu's sheer charisma boosted him to the top. They probably can't do it as well as he did but they can try a bit more to go outside the box.

>>42087774
At least they watch Astel sometimes too...

>>42087696
>Aruran doesn't really get new viewers from his collabs
I think he's trying a new angle where he hosts gameshows with JP and EN participants like the two recent telephone game collabs. He's not the dominant personality but the streams are on his channel so that's where the viewers need to be to watch it. They've been good streams so maybe he'll get a bump.

>>42084107
Cover is not going to drop the JP boys, quite the opposite. It's clear that since the EN boys (and Roberu) are popular, the management has now been fully convinced that Holostars can be popular. They used to have the soft cushion of lowered expectations (back in the day even people /here/ believed that male holos could never make numbers and were doomed), and that's gone. They have been un-blackpilled and are going to push the JP boys harder, as if they were brand new vtubers trying to put their best foot forward. Time will tell if that pays off or not.

>>42088220
if they were going to drop the jp holostars they would have done it in early 2019 and 2020 when it was truly hopeless even the holostars themselves thought they were going to be dissolved back then

>>42058260
/thread

>>42050746
>Management PRESSURING Holostars to Earn More Money
Of course its only JP

So we can expect Cover to go the Niji way of dissolving and merging the branchs if they don't perform well alone? I guess it's to be expected. They just need to step up their creativity and go out their with their ideas. Maybe collab with people you wouldn't expect to help get eyeballs on them.

>>42064943
Tempiss has only existed for 6 months. And their top earners is currently busy destroying his channel and burning bridges.
Let's see how much money they make in a year or two once the hype of a new branch has died down and the consequences of Vesper's actions materialize.

>>42058960
How is this news, we always knew that cover takes 33% of all youtube revenue

>>42091697
it's news to him because he is a retarded newfag

>>42050746
>Tempiss flops so fucking hard that they kill the entire holostars branch
Great job Omega!

>>42091526
It's not just Vesper and it aint even just about the money. It's about the drama period. Since Tempus debut it's been nonstop fights and girls taking different sides while fans and trolls argue and insult eachother.
And now several talents have taken non stop breaks, had to have a cover issued statement, and Tempus has had yab after yab.
I am positive cover JP is probably wondering if keeping Tempus around is really worth it, the fact that they cut Rushia loose when she made so much money means it does not matter how popular they get if they continue being a headache.

>>42091446
Cover doesn't allow for them to do much of anything. Gura has been depressed for like a year and a half over not being able to do react content. It's shitty "content" to begin with, but it's something basic everyone except them have access to. Cover is also doubling down on the male vtubers, for whatever reason. They are not a smart company.

>>42092275
All of this is only true in the alternative reality of /vt/

>>42092619
Axel I know it's you. You cant cope any longer, your group is falling apart.

>>42092275
They won't ever again dissolve entire branch. I could see them firing Vesper since he's lately a center of every drama including tempus internal ones and he already got suspended once, but not entire branch.

>>42093323
Half of the drama involved magni. Vesper technically had drama but most of that was the girls using him to cause drama so that one is I guess not his fault.

>>42086341
Hololives biggest strength is the abhorrently strong holobox they have created,the box is so strong it can transform an 2view into a Ludwig tier stremer and it is something completely unique to hololive no other organisations on the internet except maybe k-pop can replicate it, stars can try to do the same but it is very hard to make something as abnormal as the holobox it's very clear they can't intigrate into the already existing holobox. tempus is able to do ok because they have stolen luxiams audiance holostars can't incline if they rely on hololive they have to find there own audiance so far only robaru has been able to do it

aren't the english homos making pretty good money? west is used to watching males because of twitch and JP branch doesn't really have that audience

>>42050746
Maybe if Cover actually learned how to fucking market the boys they'd be so much more popular. Especially the new Vanguard boys, they're perfect yume and fujo-catering designs and personalities. They could be the fabled "Luxiem-killers" but none of the staff have talked to a woman in their lives so they don't bother putting in some minimal effort to get them out there more. It's fucking baffling.

>>42056363
Salty coins and milk

>>42093323
They already did dissolve an entire branch, why would you think tempiss would be treated differently than CN? they are litteraly the same level of cancer, or actually worse for the company.

>>42094350
Tempus actually makes money retard, staff is worried about StarsJP, learn to read

>>42093709
>>42094693

>>42093431
Holostars JP tried the "Holobox" method and it's a debuff. They need to do the Roberu method and do the complete opposite (collabs with tons of chubbas, even literal whos, until they gain notoriety)

>>42094350
Because situation is different? And no, it's not the same. No matter how shit situation is right now, it's nowhere near shitshow that was Taiwan drama. 4 members of CN were supporting antis.CN management went rogue. EN and JP fans were furious of Cover kneeling to China by suspending Coco and Haachama. Dissolving CN branch and cutting ties with China was last resort.

>>42094350
Actual mental illness kek

>>42093431
>tempus is able to do ok because they have stolen luxiams audiance
doubt it. their stream times are awful for chinese sisters, best thing they have close to a CN primetime is altare's morning streams, followed by shinri's which are at 10-12pm CN. also a lot less pandering.

>>42092066
fucking retard
tempus is such a success (on management's eyes) that the stars jp are urged to do better

>>42050746
Luxiem did really cuck them over huh

>>42050771
fpbp

>>42050746
Should have hired men who love women instead of gays, it is not a coincidence that the playboy and woman lover Roberu is the biggest of StarsEN

>>42096141
>StarsEN
StarsJP, sorry just woke up

>>42071925
What's the difference? I don't check supa numbers

>>42066024
thats why botan talked about wanting to grow her numbers
why ayame streams more suddenly
why pekora wants to do more tourneys
why kiara talked about sad news coming later
why astel talked about sad news coming later and wanting to reach 300K in february otherwise it will be difficult for him to continue being a vtuber
and now oga talking about memberships
it seems like cover really is going public
but why? they dont need it. i dont want them to end up like nijisanji

>>42097620
Because investors want to cash out

>>42097620
The investors want to cash out.
An IPO is how they do that.
Yagoo probably wants out too, he's realised he made a deal with blood sucking vampires who corrupt everything they touch. He's already been booted out of the company for the most part, he's just kept around in order to avoid the company losing face publicly, maybe some contract shit too.
Either way an IPO is his opportunity to bail.

>>42096174
It's not entirely misplaced to consider him honorary EN, at the very least.

>>42086612
Retard, males being 3view is the lowest tier in niji jp, literally right at the bottom while in holostar 1k is already considered as top tier star jp

>>42050746
>Males acting like damsels in distress
You hate to see it

>>42097979
why are they so powerful? how they manage to destroy everything. do they come with purse of gold and knowledge?

>>42101472
Basically whenever you accept investment you accept their involvement in managing the company.
The investors only care about making their money back plus profit.
So short term revenue is the only concern especially in the lead up to an IPO which is when investors tend to cash out.
It's not unusual for early investors to basically destroy a company in order to get a high IPO price then run off and leave the new stockholders scrambling to try and put the company back together.

>>42099343
I just had to check. Some of them are actually doing worse than StarsJP. lol It's practically miraculous. How bad do you have to be to fail this much as a male in NijiJP?

>>42102957
Nijis main problem is numbers.
They keep putting out people and the company gets its return on investment during the debut buff. After that they basically cut support and its sink or swim.

>>42050746
Are the managers braindead? If they want more members, then debut more females. They don't get to make these roomtemp iq business decisions and then put pressure on the victims of their lack of foresight to cover up their mistakes.

>>42103914
Considering the vtuber boom is over and HoloX was...iffy.
It's no wonder that Cover is generally looking to consolidate and build on its existing talent rather than go full niji and pump out gen after gen.

>>42102957
You must be a newfag. That's Shibuya Hajime out of all people aka the most hated niji liver to exist. The fag's practically staff and already said that he's the last member to graduate from the corpo. The asshole doesn't care about numbers at this point as he claims to be rich.

>>42102957
>shows Hajime
Kek imagine comparing numbers (outside of niji ID and KR male) and you choose this motherfucker of all people. Even diehard niji fans hate the guy and he's been around since their first gen

>>42104115
>>42104195
How was I supposed to know? There's like 300 nijis now or something, I'm not gonna spend time getting to know all the nobodies they've got. lol

>>42104115
>most hated niji liver to exist
qrd?

>>42065560
>nijijp males
Ever wonder how most of the popular ones there are males? The name manjisanji ain't a joke

>>42079839
>acknowledging that you need to rely on the girls
Utterly shameless why couldn't they just grow under their own branch as holostars?

>>42102957
>hajime
Kek

>>42105414
Someone explained it in the archive do your reps

My god, just give up.

Male vtubers lack any real mainstream audience.
The girls are different since they can "roleplay" a anime character, homos can't do that.
You know, most of comedy anime/manga got a full fermale cast for a reason, the males are for self insert romcoms and action stuff.
So a girl vtuber can easy do the comedy cute girl doing cute things in random game, but a male vtuber can't pull a damn goku do goku stuff in random game.
A "broVtuber" is just a normal dude streamer with a cringe and pointless anime avatar.

The only roleplay and identity for a male vtuber is being a homosexual hotdude for the fujos, a high income but also small and super saturated market.

I mean, i do get cover trying, vtubing is still a "new" market with surely a untapped audience, but they need to experiment for that, not put out more of the same.

>>42050746
> we need more memberships.
> let's force talents to do mixed gender collabs.
> fans start cancelling their memberships.
Management is absolutely retarded I hope whomever greenlit Ollie's tournament gets fired.

>>42112659
>You know, most of comedy anime/manga got a full fermale cast for a reason
That's because you only watch incel anime. My favorite comedy anime are Cromartie and Daily Lives of Highschool Boys

>>42064069
both.
but you point out a good part about my oshi that doesn't get talked about much. thank you

>>42113140
Fujos/yumejos are unicorms too

>>42113140
Dude that's the fucking point.

How the fuck do you make a cromartie vtuber?
How do you pull a "high school boy" vtuber out of the setting?

A cute girl do cute things can do it WITH ANYTHING.

>>42113636
Bruh you ever seen either of those shows?
They're comedies. It's about being funny and entertaining.

>>42113636
Vtubing is highly sexualized with many sexy/beautiful avatars and such. It makes sense why most straight men won’t give male Vtubers the time of day. As much as a lot of faggots and women here want to claim otherwise. There has to be a draw to a male vtuber much greater than the avatar or whichever corpo the male vtuber is in for a lot of straight dudes to even give them a chance. Personally I’m not going to watch male vtubers because I only got in to watching Vtubers in general off of cute/hot anime avatar women doing whatever. It was something new that I couldn’t get anywhere else but anime (even then it is not the same). If there aren’t any anime girls streaming that I like, but there are 8 anime guys streaming. I’d just tune out of the guys and watch fucking MoonMoon or Jerma or Disguised Toast or Ster or Penta or Buddha or Oney… etc. etc. It’s just the way it is for a lot of people.

>>42114450
Remember Shinri's debut, with all the pregnant emote spam? I literally never came back after realizing that was who I would be sharing a fanbase with.

>>42113957
No, the point is about being something ONLY male vtubers can be.

You can't make a miko or a pekora out of a real face streamer, but is easy to do it for vesper/roberu.
That's also whey they are and will stay small, they compete with ALL normal streamers.

>>42114450
That's just... nature.
Males like pretty fermale anime girls, but for males they need to be "cool".
And how can you be "cool" in minecraft?

>>42114693
I didn’t watch a single of Tempiss2s debut streams. I’m sorry. I am no longer giving StarsEN a chance. I’d rather watch Scarra RP as a blue dinosaur playing TFT for 24 hours straight than sit through whatever Holopro is trying to do with EN at this point.

>>42114736
Yah you said it well with the Goku comparison. Guys look at Goku doing cool shit and love it, and then they look at Bulls in the same episode and they enjoy the hot blue haired woman just for existing. Unfortunately guys can’t do Goku cool shit streaming behind an anime avatar. They need gimmicks or sexy voices or….. actual talent. Like if a guy can play an instrument incredibly well or are incredibly good at whatever games they play (I know some might not consider that talent but idc).

>>42115214
Look at Bulma.** lol

>>42115214
The problem with the latter is that any talented guy worth his salt is not gonna be a fucking male vtuber.

>>42114450
Do vtuberfans actually watch those guys though? Part of the fun of the culture is that it attracts web savvy and weeb savvy people.
The non vtuber guys I watch are also those types; people who at least have adjacent interests.

>>42115313
True. Also imagine being a godlike guitarist or wind/brass/percussioninstrument player that can’t even show themselves playing because it would break immersion. Like is it reeeaally that impressive or cool if no one can even see you play. Idk. I wouldn’t care as much.

>>42115313
The solution can't be "just hire talended people" if those talented people can just do better real face.

Male vtubing need to be crafted into something only male vtyber can do.
But how and what.

>>42115429
I imagine many do. I’m under the impression that Vtubing really has gone mainstream, or at least isn’t the tiny exclusive hobby it was before. I have family that works in schooling and they’ve had heard children talk about vtubers. My own parents have heard of Vtubers. I know it is all subjective though on what is considered mainstream. I just think that as Vtubing is reaching or has reached a more mainstream audience it will attract mainstream viewers. For instance. MoonMoon jokes a lot about Vtubers. Not always making fun, but giving props to them for being able to do what they do and get good money from it. He even watched Korone’s “English only or you will End” stream clips and was saying pepeloni pizza etc. Pewdiepie has acknowledged Vtubers, has even made an avatar I believe. OTV has streamed as/with Vtubers. the Vtuber net is wide and is getting wider etc.

>>42115437
There's a reason why the most famous facecam streamers are males while the most famous vtubers are female. Guys don't need to hide their faces to be popular if they are entertaining but people don't give a shit to real girls because they look just like a piece of meat to the large audience(males).
A girl to succeed needs an animated model to make her existence disconnected from sex and focused on her entertaining value.
>pic related

>>42115699
Then that just shows Stars CAN succeed if the net is growing wider.

>>42115855
The biggest vtuber is still Kuzuha. He's just not part of EOP culture /here/.

>>42115930
Yah, if they get more women and gay men in the net. But with how terribly Stars has been handled in EN and JP they might as well be hand net fishing at the opening of a stream while Nijisanji is out fishing with a fleet of fishing boats.

All a male vtuber needs to be popular is stop with fucking streaming or at least make your channel focused on 10-20mins videos.
I can easily watch Watame doing whatever for hours just because she's cute but male vtubers are cringe and should focus on edited videos instead just like the good old days.

>>42052578
Did you have a stroke while typing this, anon?

>>42105412
Then stick with your nobody in star jp instead of falsefagging like an idiot >>42086612

>>42116107
That’s a good idea. Which is why I think that HoloPro will never do it. Honestly Magni is a retard for not doing some short form videos or actual video content as he has the experience. Although I do understand if he’s saving all of that energy for his RM. Just because these dudes have turned into anime streamers doesn’t mean they have to stop, or never start making actual videos. VODS aren’t the same whatsoever.

>>42115987
He will never be part of western culture.

Kuzuha is all network, he's the "chosen one male rapresentative" of japanese vtubing culture, boosted by the niji huge group and the connections made along the way.
As streamer he's just a fps average one, who cares.

>>42050746
holostars could be doing way more to be more popular, to get people to actually care about them and what they're doing

I never ever hear about them doing anything interesting. They have a foot in the door already and they're content to just be dead weight instead of leveraging the opportunity they have. it's sad

>>42050746

>>42117307
The fags are under the impression that if they do what the girls do (stream, music, collabs) it will be enough. Unfortunately you need a little something extra to LARP as an anime fag and be popular.

>>42054337
Isn't Vesper as close as Stars has gotten to being successful?

>>42118544
Not really.
Magni is almost at his sub level.
Altare has beaten his sub peak.
Axel isn't far behind Magni.
The vanguard boys are climbing steadily.

>>42115987
He's not, but even if he was, he'd still be quite far from worldwide top streamers. The girls on the other hand are right there at the top.

>>42099343
>company
retard can't even read, no one cares about Holostars but it's the fact they are on par of average Nijisanji because their bar is that low, go make most of them graduate so your company average would be better if you care that much instead of crying here

>>42118641
>Ame is more successful than Miko because she has more subs

>>42115987
lol

>>42118641
>subs
holy cope