/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

TO THIS?

>>41891517
Determination and good head on her shoulders

>>41891517
A company doing everything for you

>>41891587
t. Seething 2view

>>41891517
Migo's magic gamer word.

>>41891571
My ass would be too lazy to do stuff like that id rather just play games or eseomething

>>41891605
She'd be nothing without Hololive

>>41891517
>Vtuber I like is...Kenmochi Touya-kun from Nijisanji!
Oh boy...imagine if Holofags heard about this.

>>41891517
she must be god at sucking dick

>>41891571
Unironically this. She never gave up and she had every reason to. That's not to say getting lucky and falling into the right circumstances isn't a part of that journey. Determination and luck aren't mutually exclusive. If she gave up at any point when she was a nobody then she wouldn't have found hololive.

Remember:
>Suisei started as an indie with absolutely no backing at all
>had to work part-time to fund herself, worked at fast food and izakaya on top of having to take on video commissions
>released 1st original song whose lyrics basically say "please find me and notice me", didn't reach far as she wanted it to
>she didn't really know what exactly her strengths are because even if she's a jack of all trades, she's a master of none, she knows her works are painfully mediocre and she doesn't have the "uniqueness" to stand out, which gave her a severe lack of confidence that only got better recently but she still has it
>she wasn't even sure if she was actually an idol but still tried her best to act like it because it's her character, in her old streams it was even a joke to type "アイドル…? (idol…?)" when she says "I'm an idol after all!"
>everyone thought she was stupid because she mispelled Idol Youtuber as Aidol Youtuber in her first ever batch of goods and had to prove she wasn't retarded through kanji tests (she got shitty marks), whistling (she still can't do it after 2 years), and tetris (she was deathly nervous back then so she lost a couple times against viewers)
>eventually joined S:gnal in hopes of actually making something worthwhile, got kicked out after a month for unspecified reasons and was banned from doing any activities for a week
>released Tenkyuu on her 1st anniversary, meant it to be her swan song and an expression of gratitude for all the cometomos who still support her (that's why at the very end of Tenkyuu MV you can see there's a message saying "あなたに、感謝を込めて")
>still somehow didn't want to give up so she joined INNK
>promised her fans that she'll do stuff like releasing a 3rd original song, getting a 3D model after 30k subs and so on
>she got neglected and didn't release anything anyway for a year and had to commission everything for her Kakusei cover because INNK won't provide her with anything
>increased her stream times and frequency, from once a week she streamed everyday, sometimes twice for around 1-2 hours depending on her mood, but still stayed unpopular
>thought about quitting a lot of times but when her friends and the holos ask her for a collab she felt like continuing so she did
>finally moved to main branch
>got a new model, FBK and other holos dropped by to tell her she's cute and welcome to Hololive, FBK in particular dropped her an akasupa

>>41891751
Yeah, mine.

>>41891751
/thread

>>41891688
you act like she got hired by coincidence.

>>41891688
yeah I guess why she's the one with a 3rd sololive coming up and nobody else has even gotten a second.

>>41891711
even the numbers thread likes Toya, the dude is a lolicon and a holofag

>>41891711
pedos stick together

>>41891860
>>41891896
You really underestimate how important marketing and brand power are
As much as I am a fan of her as a singer you probably know at least two very small bands with lots of talent but you're just one of maybe 10 fans of them
Suisei deserves the success but acting like she'd achieve it as the exact same indie is delusional

>>41891688
She is Hololive.

>>41891771
BASED AF.

>>41892020
Yeah, she is.
Now.
She used to be outside of it, but maybe you're too new to remember that.

>>41891571
suitya grindset

>>41892015
nobody makes it from zero dude by themself. there always needs to be money behind the scenes. Hololive was more so motivation for her than anything else as it gave her a decent influx of viewers so that her efforts wouldn't be unseen as they were before.

THE PRIDE OF HOLOLIVE

>>41892191
That's Rushia

>>41892226
Who?

>>41892226
Anon, it's 2023, let it go...

>>41892226
It wasn't your fault man

>>41892226
there's the pride and there's the stain.
hope all the stain gets removed

>>41892226
the pride of shame

>>41892226
Seriously though, I still think of Rushia as the model Holomem, not the vulgar Reddit dragon, and definitely not the 'I collab with males' Suisei.

>>41892468
>Not the first post from this IP

>>41892468
>I collab with males streamer does one shill stream and keeps the rest strictly in her well produced and written music (by males)
>The other is terminated because she leaked information about her company and talents to a drama-tuber
I don't hate rushia but you are delusional

>>41892468
>the model holomem is a dishonest ticking bomb

>>41892015
They are important. Super important. But you don't fill a concert hall while being boring and untalented.
Marketing is required, but so is talent.

>>41892468
>Rushia goes on a menhera breakdown because people find out she's dating an alien (male)
meanwhile Suisei has a girlfriend

>>41892774
Suisei sucked the most cocks in hololive so it’s clearly a cover up, clever i must add

>>41892703
You can achieve success without talent, but with marketing.
You can't achieve success with marketing, but without talent.
Once again, this doesn't mean that Suisei lacks talent. She really deserves the success, but she wouldn't be there without Hololive.

>>41893015
why not both

>>41892015
Why are you fixated on this? Does it change anything?

>>41891517
focus, commitment, and sheer fucking will

>>41892567
>does one shill stream and keeps the rest strictly in her well produced and written music (by males)
That's just plain wrong, you might be pretty new and I'm not gonna blame you or anything but that's wrong.

>>41891771
man...

>>41891517
>140 viewers
Is that supposed to be low?

>>41891517
self-made model
SOVL
glad she made it
t. Suo Sango oshi

>>41893263
Not for Nijisanji

>>41893263
Sora started as a 2view.

>>41893015
Oh I see my brainfart
>>41893108
She is an example of both, but it's easy to find examples of lacking one of the two.
>>41893114
Quite a lot. This is essentially the myth of self-made millionaires in the chuuba world.

>>41891571
>>41891860
>>41891896
>>41892020
>>41891771
>>41893140
>>41893114
There are hundreds if not thousands of better singers/dancers in japan and better ones keep being born everyday
If you mean to say that hard work and focus is all that brought her here, are you also not then implying ever single better singing/dancing talent is simply lazy?

This is purely survivorship bias

>>41893426
What is Azki lacking of?

>>41893015
ever hear britney spears sing without a backing track ?

>>41893015
>You can't achieve success with marketing, but without talent.
really anon?

>>41893502
Passion

>>41893495
>Determination and luck aren't mutually exclusive
>If you mean to say that hard work and focus is all that brought her here
what did anon mean by this

>>41893015
>You can't achieve success with marketing, but without talent.
Paris Hilton was born multimillionaire and that's all it took.

>>41893495
Yes.

>>41893495
of course luck is involved. it's always involved. but she persevered until she got lucky. and yeah, that won't work for 99% of people.

>>41893495
>better
Subjective, plus irrelevant.

>>41893561
>>41893630
>>41893426

>>41893495 (me)
>Oh I see my brainfart
Yeah, you see it too. That's what I meant. Bravo.
Now you get it. Marketing is worth more than talent. *Just* being good is not enough and whoever thinks it is clearly never experienced real life.

>>41891571
It didn’t hurt that she is attached to the biggest vtuber company on the planet, as a matter of fact , i’m gonna say that’s the main reason she’s become so popular

>>41893015
No, you can't achieve success through marketing alone if you have no talent. There will be a success, but it belongs to the marketing team. You did nothing and deserve no credit.

>>41893263
Mid tier Niji was getting around 5k while Mito was getting like 20-30k or some shit at that point.

People who don't understand why she's so successful are people who never experienced trying to get their dream job and just settled with whatever they got on the first try.

>>41893426
What does it change, though? Suisei herself constantly talks about how lucky she got and how there are plenty of vtubers that are better
singers than herself, so it's not like you're ego-checking her by saying this. And people who set out to do what she does are not doing it from
a place of calculation and risk-weighing, they're doing it because they're starry-eyed artfags who feel like gambling with their lives. Make no
mistake, if you want a chance at succeeding in a creative/entertainment industry, you MUST put your future on the line. The only people you
would conceivably be advocating for are naive idiots who do not understand this and who somehow still believe that the world is fair.

>>41893495
For everyone of them that gave up and went back to working at the konbini, yes. This is true for every art form, which is why there are books and websites that are dedicated to rejection letters received for books that went on to be 'classics'. And the really mind-blowing thing is that in like, 50 years, there'll be some fad where people rediscover old vtuber music and the song that everyone will associate with 'The Golden Age' will be from some 3view you've never heard of, a Kiara orisong or something else equally incomprehensible. Shakespeare wasn't the most famous or popular playwright of his time, Dickens was basically a pulp writer though I guess Suisei's path is a bit closer to Goethe's (who became the first 'rock star' author with a book that's unfamiliar to even most of /lit/). Defeatism is the only real sin for an artist.

>>41893615
>Determination and luck aren't mutually exclusive
They CAN overlap, but they don't inherently
>>41893671
>Subjective
There are objective metrics for which we view talent in singing like working within supported register, degrees of strain, note separation control, vibrato control, consistent resonance, chest to head voice connection etc.
>plus irrelevant
This isn't a good thing, you're implying she's not a good singer just lucky and hardworking

People here are acting like success happens because of one "main reason."

Success happens when multiple things happen at the same time. Luck, basically.

>>41893801
People are just responding to OPs question.
- She didn't give up
- And was lucky enough

she got lucky sure, but she also worked her ass off and if she didn't she would not have gotten anywhere with that luck
see Gura

>>41893502
I never mentioned AZKi, I don't know why you'd bring her up here.
>>41893721
>You did nothing and deserve no credit.
You're the face and the performer, the marketing team remains unseen for most of the time.
I'd agree that you don't deserve said success if you have no talent, but life isn't fair and sometimes all it takes is getting lucky and going viral. And if the cash flow remains then nobody involved will give a fuck.
>it's not like you're ego-checking her by saying this
I'm not, and I'm aware of the fact that she's aware of her luck. All I'm saying is that omitting that highly important luck/production work is distilled naivety.

>>41893961
slight fuckup, the 2nd quote should've been addressed to >>41893801

>>41893961
anon, humans respond to stories, not facts. the myth of Suisei will always have a hold even when people know how much luck/production work is involved.

For every 1 Suisei there is 1000 worse singers/1000 better singers/1000 lazier workers/1000 harder workers but the determining factors between Suisei and those more talented and harder working is luck.

Suisei isn't a bad singer by any means but it's really fucking retarded seeing all the praise for her path to success with how much luck was involved.

>>41893993
This isn't about Suisei's words it's about her retarded fans

>>41893898
I feel like the "Luck" part is the thing most people seethe about
Because unlike gacha, you really can't reroll that shit, unless, well, you reroll your fucking life

>muh luck
yes you need to get lucky, but to even get lucky you need to give yourself chances to roll the dice
it's just a lazy way to discredit others' hard work
talent and hard work aren't a guarantee of success but they are almost required to even get lucky in the first place, and definitely needed to get anywhere with that luck

>>41893844
>objective metrics
Which can have little-to-no bearing on people finding your music pleasant.
>This isn't a good thing, you're implying she's not a good singer just lucky and hardworking
I’m implying that, with or without you giving a stamp of approval, others can find her to be more enjoyable than those whom you claim are superior by said aforementioned objectivities,

hopefully it doesn't go to her head, or her breasts

we're posting in circles
this is now a Suisex thread

>>41894223
she's incredibly humble, and not just from her words but via actions too

>>41894223
>or her breasts
dangerously based

>>41893502
Too many jobs

>>41893853
>Larry goes to church
>tithes properly
>leads a good life
>Prays to god, "God please let me win the lottery!"
>every week
>year after year
>tells God that his oldest son became a wealthy philanthropist
>tells God that his daughter became a nun
>tells God that his youngest son became a priest
>continues to be a good person and prays
>motor desperate with each passing day
>"God please let me win the lottery!"
>Years pass and the man gets more desperate
>continues on the path of righteousness
>but his faith wavers
>"God why won't you let me win the lottery"
>God eventually gets fed up with this
>a bright light
>the Metatron appears in all His splendour
>"Larry, meet me halfway... buy a fucking ticket"
And that, anon, is how luck works.

>>41893721
no matter how much shilling u get, if you're shit personality or person, the masses won't care or give a shit.
case in point Mori
went from the greatest highs, to becoming a POS all in less then a year.

>>41894352
i don't think she's complaining about her musical career payoffs.

>>41893502
if you want to compare the two
Suisei is also a very entertaining streamer with a charming personality and surpisingly good gaming skills and she relentlessly shills her stuff to her fans

>>41891896
Aqua, Sora and probably Azki

>>41894390
universal written it off as a dead investment
it happens in big corps. u throw a net a few become big , many becomes a wasted money sink cause it's just toxic.
the future is they won't invest in cover again. look at all the other good singers where are the new deals?

It's not an easy topic because there is no consensus on what makes someone deserve success.
Do luckier people deserve success?
Do hardworking people deserve more success?
Do talented people deserve more success?

According to current statistics, the luckier people get success instead of people who work harder or are more talented, so the logical conclusion is: society believes hard work and talent are irrelevant, they only like people who appeal to them on a vague, personal level.

>>41891517
>>41891571
>>41891771
>>41893140
Suisei is vtuber Griffith, but cute and dorky.

>>41894581
artia was griffith

>>41894581
do not eat the red egg suisei.
suisei put the red egg down suisei.
>who would be guts
Gotta be Subaru, I can imagine her screaming "SUISEEEEEEEEEEEEEI" in her quack voice

>>41894493
>society believes hard work and talent are irrelevant
Not exactly. It's more that society as a whole doesn't value hard work and talent and being "just fine" is enough to achieve moderate success. And from then on we're falling into an endless, possibly pointless discussion about objectivism and subjectivism and how to determine if somebody is worthy of success. You'll probably find a few chuubas, games, movies, books, cars, dishes, fucking whatever that you think is basically "overrated", but then you'll ask a few randos about it and they'll just say "i like it" and that's where it ends.
What most people forget about is that humans don't inherently follow logic or meritocracy. It doesn't matter at all if something is actually better than what's currently at the top, if they can't be convinced to change their opinions then you're not getting anywhere.

>>41894581
As a wise man once said
>All you know about me is what I've sold ya, dumb fuck
>I sold out long before you'd ever even heard my name
>I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit
>And then you bought one

>>41893502
Suisei is very talent at shilling

>>41891517
>>41891560
Blue dorito
Chinks pushed the Cinderella story when hololive was expanding on bilibili
Got dropped by chinks during the Taiwan incident but got immediately picked up by EOPs
Hi honey going viral
Micomet
Solidified the image of THE singer of hololive so she grew when hololive grew. The only ones with the same drive to become a popular singer were Watame (typecasted as that cute sheep with gangimari eyes) and AZKi (fucked over by INNK)

>>41891771
>got a new model, FBK and other holos dropped by to tell her she's cute and welcome to Hololive, FBK in particular dropped her an akasupa
The Pillar of Hololive indeed

>>41891517
She's a hardworking woman, that's all there is to it

>>41891517
Hard work.

It's 10% luck
20% skill
15% concentrated autism
5% memes
50% shilling
and 100% reason to suisex

>>41895067
I felt younger by 15 years...

I can't stand her tryhard personality

>>41891517
SUITYAN LOVE

>>41891517
>>41891560
tale as old as time

>>41894790
>dropped by chinks

>>41895415
Nobody cares what chinks have to say.

>>41894790
Please, kill yourself, tourist.

>>41895415
Typical two faced chinks.

>>41895365
Who's the hare supposed to be in this analogy?

>>41895649
Kizuna Ai

>>41895649

>no funny "to this" posts
Shit thread, shit posters

>>41895770
who and who

>>41895665
Ai didn't lose because she was a cocky asshole.

>>41895415
Wow, 1 guy! Let's just ignore all the wheelbarrows
>>41895533
ENshart, please kill yourself

>>41895876
Looks like Aqua and Watson

>>41893495
Maybe, probably. But out of those 99% won't have the determination to pursue, and in those 1% left 99% will not try hard to seek oportunities, and in those 0,01% left 50% won't have the luck, and the 50% left are suisei and other who succeded. See, luck do have a huge importance in this, but 99,99% of those people will filter themselves before reaching the stage luck matter.

Gotta love how suisei's success makes the fans from lesser companies to seethe.

These kinds of threads are always so weird, because judging by the content of the posts I don't think anyone actually disagrees with each other, but the posters themselves are adamant they do.

>>41896500
to disagree with someone you'd probably need to read their post first

>>41896427
To seethe?

>>41891517
AIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 2VIEWBROS, INDIEBROS THIS BLUE WHORE IS MOCKING US, IT SHOULD'VE BEEN US NOT HER
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK YOU HOLOLIVE

>>41891517
50 percent luck
15 percent skill
20 percent concentrated power of shill
5 percent pleasure
10 percent marketing
100 percent in thanks to the money of simps

>>41891587
>got literally ghosted for nearly a year in her first year in the company until her colleagues reached out to her
>>41892468
>'I collab with males' Suisei
She never pushed her work ethics or ideals onto her friends, you have to be a newfag or a homofag to hate her because of that.

>>41893263
No but that's not enough to her, plus she is too tired doing everything by herself

>>41894581
who is vtuber Guts in this scenario?

>>41893502
She's married which means she's only sucking one cock

>>41899750
Doesn't make sense. It's the era of cucks.

>>41896500
To be fair almost 90% of the thread is just repeating shit anybody is aware of that's watched hololive for 2 years.
So it's just people yelling surface level knowledge / bait and not worth reading, but that's all of /vt/ really.

>>41893502
I think she and other decent singers like Watame just lack the pushiness, shamelessness and external connections that Suisei has. Who is the better singers are subjective matters, but Suisei often advertise her songs or concerts and push her managers for good products, on top of her connections with big names like Arte Refact and Takou Inoue. She also gives less shit about negative feedbacks so haters can't use anything out of her to create controversies to tarnish her image

>>41892015
>Suisei deserves the success but acting like she'd achieve it as the exact same indie is delusional
who the hell has said that? of fucking course she needs something to promote herself. she herself knew this and it's why she applied to hololive in the first place. how many of the biggest and most iconic singers in history do you know that aren't signed to a label? even ado was groomed by universal, i'd hardly call her self-made.
>>41893495
>If you mean to say that hard work and focus is all that brought her here
again nobody said that (and if they do they're retarded, simple as). being good at what you do is only one part of success, i'm sure even you yourself personally know someone who is an incredible artist/musician/singer/whatever but that is never gonna be famous (and perhaps doesn't even want to) because they simply don't have the drive to reach the top. suisei, on top of having great skill, does.

>>41893502
Streams for one. She's averaging 1/week, if even. Suisei didn't start achieving liftoff until she fully committed to daily streams, and even then that was only one ingredient in creating her 'luck'. Azki isn't trying hard enough, and it's a shame since she IS in Hololive and in CY+7 that's a golden ticket just sitting on the table if she'd only take it.

>>41900668
i have a feeling azki is comfortable where she is, but maybe i'm wrong. it's certainly nice seeing her incline through these geoguessr streams though.

>>41891517
TO THIS?

>tranny lover holo

>>41900195
Suisei also gets shilled by the algorithm bigly

>>41900783
hello catalogchama

>>41901059
only recently. phony has to be a bug at this point.

>>41891688
She would be a lot more successful on her own.

>>41901681
now that's a bold statement. care to elaborate?

>>41901944
She wouldn't lose 70% of her income to Cover's bullshit cuts.

>>41901944
Got kicked out of the suisei general for saying that retarded shit

>>41901975
money is not the only measure of success
>>41901978
as i've said, that's a really bold statement, so i can't wait to see the argument

>>41902377
She could do better/more if she had more money.

>>41891771
based

>>41893495
>disregard susei's success because of thousands of hypothetical people
Dumb

>>41902416
Doubt it, her numbers raised almost instantly after joining Cover/Holo. Given that vtubers older than her haven't achieved even similar success, to say that she'd be better off alone you have to be either basically capable of predicting alternative timelines or just retarded.

>>41893495
Left wing brainrot

>>41901978
i mean she initially joined because she said being on your own can only get you so far
also we don't know if she can reclaim her rights on the newer stuff she had now like her new l2d/3d model and songs

https://files.catbox.moe/rf3fri.mp4

>>41894581
Mori is way closer to Griffith with her UMG deal.

>>41902780
I'm so happy for her...

>>41902780
She's not alone now...

>>41895920
Her corpo overlords probably did

>>41895849
>/vt/ outside of generals (read: shitposts and bait threads) being alive enough for someone to interupt OP
Come on now.

>>41891560
I feel like out of all holomems, Suisei wants it the most. Other holomems want this level of success too, but they haven't trained for it as much as Suisei. Cover after cover, song after song, she kept up the hard work to become a top tier singer. Did her due diligence as a streamer too. It became evident to me that her voice is way more trained than other holomems in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJkLCP2uu4

If anyone's gonna make it out of Hololive's karaoke dungeon, it's this girl. I hate how some of her songs have the instruments overpowering her vocals, though. The Stellar Stellar on her channel was almost unlistenable, so I'm happy she got a TFT version that focuses more on her vocals.

>>41891711
EOP faggots didn't infest vtubing back then, so no one cared.

>>41891517
>>41891560
Talented and entertaining.
I'm proud of her.

>>41893502
AZKi puts way, way, way more time into her roommate and it really baffles me honestly.

>>41891688
This is a shit tier take, you need to take your fucking meds. Suisei is the perfect vtuber.

>>41904067
She got burned by COVID completely killing her plans and momentum, since she went from 7 Lives in two years to 1 in the following two, as well as external concerts drying up. She’s also arguably more successful in her roommate’s idol group then she is in Hololive, despite not putting much time into said group, so she’s just in a strange position. Now I do think she could incline past La Priere if she put in the time and effort to Holo, but she also has an OL job on top of all her music stuff.

>>41904232
you need to hang yourself right this second. i don't care about your opinion on suisei, especially since mine isn't negative either. this whole thread is about how she got to where she is now.

the biggest dork in hololive is also their biggest talent

seriously though, i wish that we have more okayu/watame tier lives as well. showcase the talent pool to a greater degree. still an incredible place for suisei to be

>>41893495
When you are a grown up, you will learn about the real world and the unavoidable fact that the world isn't fair. It is what it is, kid.

You need at least some form of either connections or luck to make it. That has always been the case. Effort and talent have never been enough.

>>41891560
corporate shilling

>>41893495
>There are hundreds if not thousands of better singers/dancers in japan
alright name all of them

>>41906317
DD is garbage both music wise and media wise

get out

Tenkyuu was a good song
Also she probably would've succeeded anywhere with her vision and will

>>41893708
They weren't the biggest when she signed for them

>>41906481
Sora
Azki
Kanata

>>41901601
No, ever since the HI HONEY bullshit she's been getting pushed everywhere

>>41901601
Her Saga Jihen or however you spell it was a massive draw for long before that.

>>41907955
>Kanata
(You)

>>41907969
Let's not forget that same month she did the HI HONEY thing it was also when she dropped her high pitched fake voice in favor of her sex voice, and also when she released GHOST which shook the entire fucking scene

>>41895415
....Okay, why?

>>41891560
>>41891517

cover corp. people refuse to acknowledge this but cover corp has turned these girls into stars.

>>41901681
she tried two times and failed. she almost failed a third but got saved by hologirls

>>41908595
See >>41900391 >>41892703

>>41907750
no u

Suisei is one of the few holos who actually has the talent to function as a proper artist

>>41891675
You know it is kind of funny that one of Hololive's biggest popularity boosts was Miko saying the N word

Most people here are too young to remember but Suisei got popular with her tetris and gta streams. When she was mostly a singer, she went nowhere and was irrelevant while Azki was having converts and collaborating with actual artists.

>>41908963
i remember the first shiraken GTA stream. that was a blast.

>>41891771
Same with Sora. There was absolutely no guarantee Hololive would succeed and every reason to believe it would never even be a fad at all.

Suisei got here through hard work, all of gen 0 did. In the beginning, a thousand views was the best thing ever. Now they get millions.

>>41891771
So basically, she's the opposite of Gura and deserves her fame because she worked hard for it?

>>41910032
yes

>>41894790
I definitely feel bad for Watame and maybe some of the other singers. Suisei has the more marketable avatar so she wins.

>>41910637
watame does deserve some credit. she's arguably the third/fourth best singer and gets little recognition, despite the fact that she's already dropped an album and live. same is applicable to okayu.

Why does she pre-record her singing for a paid live concert? Doesn't she feel any shame in doing this? I don't care if your 'dances' are live, at least sing live too.

>>41911020
Watame sabotaged herself by not releasing anything after Ai-Mai-Chocolate for like 2 years while she was doing her vocal studies, only to drop her album over the course of like a month and a half. A more constant trickle of singles would have helped to remind people she’s a serious musician and not just the funny singing sheep with her WNF.

>>41911165
and she's also an actual streamer so she would've had to make more sacrifices. suisei also doesn't go on as long as watame, since watame was constantly on top for hours streamed before koyori arrived.

>>41911142
I think ir's specifically because itcs a paid concert, you want some degree of consistency
she does live singing on youtube lives, she's not afraid of it at all

>>41911142
>Why does she pre-record her singing for a paid live concert?

>>41911284
imagine spending hundreds on tickets just to hear playback...
they seriously get away with so much shit and everyone lets them
meanwhile real idols gets so much shit for lip syncing

The live isn't on nyaa yet. The bugs anti that used to upload everything lost interest...
Who will think of the poorfags, now?

>>41911427
What the fuck are you on? Even when there's a secondary vocal track she's still singing live on top of it

>>41891560
Covid 19

>>41911223
Watame is just built different, it might have eaten her stream time a little, but it’s not like she streamed so much less in the runup to the album, though I do think she slowed down a little preparing for the Live since that required more rehearsals. I think she could have easily kept her normal 8 hours of pushing sand, eating potato chips, and pretending to read SCs while releasing some more music. It also would have allowed her to experiment more with her sound instead of doing so on the album which lacked a cohesive feel as a result.

>>41911517
watame needs to go for more of that rock sound, which she's done a lot better as of late.

>>41891711
Toya good.

>>41911478
she was absolutely not singing live, i could tell from the first note
it's way too clean, there's no distortion. people here are deaf or have never been to an actual concert where someone sings live.

>>41911602
>Suisei sings well
>"this must be prerrecorded"
Besides her performance was not consistently perfect during the entire live, did you even hear the TRUE GIRL SHOW performance at the very fucking least? For those high falsetto notes sometimes she didn't quite hit the mark.

>>41911547
I actually like her voice on more airy, haunting ballads like Zero Footsteps. She has such a fluffy, gentle voice that’s great for softer songs like her Hello, How Are You cover, whereas anything harder then the lightest rock like My Song plays more to her weaknesses with power and projecting, imo.

>>41911668
I don't mean to say she played back from her actual studio song, she obviously sung the songs, just not right there and then live.

>>41911730
>I don't mean to say she played back from her actual studio song
I never implied you said that either.
And why would she pre-record herself and choose to go with non-perfect takes? Don't say some retarded shit like "to make it more believable", she can achieve the literal exact same effect by singing the thing live right there and then.

>>41911818
it's actually incredibly common for artists to have a recording of them singing for playback at concerts.
im not being a hater here, im just telling you the truth.
i have been to coachella, i have been to multiple BTS concerts, and other kpop concerts. the difference between genuine live singing, singing mixed with playback, and straight up playback is pretty distinctive.
suisei was playing back a recording of her signing her songs. feel free to believe otherwise.

>>41911973
I know how many artists operate, I'm not even trying to say people don't do this or even that Suichan would never do it because at one point she just might and that's fine (or not, depends on who you are), I'm just saying that this time it's definitely not the fucking case, you dumbass. If your argument is that "her voice sounds too clean" it's because we're hearing the audio in a more raw form than anyone who's physically present at the venue. It makes no sense for you to use that as an argument when the same could be said for the musicians considering you can clearly hear each instrument as well.

This not to mention her voice quality sounds literally the exact fucking same when she's singing versus when she's talking.
https://www.youtube.com/live/USmUfG_-Sn8?feature=share&t=2637
https://www.youtube.com/live/USmUfG_-Sn8?feature=share&t=2742
vs
https://www.youtube.com/live/USmUfG_-Sn8?feature=share&t=2791
Volume is the same, tone is the same, timbre is the same. I'd have to declare you clinically deaf if you truly think otherwise.

>>41912200
of course they'd use the same equipment otherwise it'd be incredibly obvious
you can still tell there's a modicum of distortion when she's talking that isn't present when she's singing.

>>41911973
Unless you were actually in the goddamn concert hall anon, you have no idea how it actually sounded there. Comparing the digital sound sent to the stream to what you hear normally at live events is fucking retarded.

>>41912490
>of course they'd use the same equipment otherwise it'd be incredibly obvious
Same equipment doesn't guarantee someone's -voice- will sound the same, people don't sound the exact literal same every time they speak. There's no reason for her to sound just as exalted in a prerrecording as she does when she's actually there taking in the energy of the performance and afterwards when she's talking to the audience
>you can still tell there's a modicum of distortion when she's talking that isn't present when she's singing.
No there fucking isn't, unless you really count her laughing into the mic and causing a bit of noise "distortion".

>they prerecorded it with flaws
take your meds

>>41912751
everyone has flaws every time they sing live
she sung live, it just wasn't at the concert.

>>41894278
An EN translation for you.

>>41912830
One of my favorite moments on this site was when someone was doing this classic "it's all prerecorded" routine during an AZKi show and then it was interrupted live by an earthquake

>>41912911
link doko

>>41911427
only a few singers do live concerts without playbacks nowadays
kizuna ai did it once and then changed to playback

>>41912958
Privated, but it was the DSTM Live and is on nyaa. I also think there’s clips of that moment on YouTube.

>>41912911
Kek, it’s rare that the Earth chimes in to BTFO some shitposter.

>>41891517
>>41891517
>>41891517


TROON-CHAN KYOMO YWNBAWIIIII

>>41912830
>believe me bro it was prerecorded even though she doesn't always hit the notes, and she sounds out of breath, and there's 0 differences between her voice when she sings vs when she talks in between songs, and she adlibs some parts, and her body language is perfectly in sync with her singing, and she ...

>>41913037
go back to your shithole

I miss old Suisei who was scarred to take a few days off instead of 2 months in one year..

>41913037
mindbroken
suisei's cock is bigger than yours

>>41913120
she had nothing to fall back on if she took breaks. now she not only has enough content to survive breaks with little loss, she also has genuine reasons to do so.

>>41913121
>go back to your shithole
>>41913148
>mindbroken
>suisei's cock is bigger than yours

/qa/ lost

>>41913295
>/qa/ lost

dont respond to it

don't acknowledge it

let him rot

>>41913325
> dont respond to it

> don't acknowledge it

> let him rot

>>41913325
Okay, but I am morbidly curious about the intersection of tranny-related basedjaks and suisei. What's the context? Those seem like thoroughly unrelated things.

>>41913418
None

>ITT seething sisters

>>41913418
During an MC section of her live yesterday, Suisei was like, "clap if you're male, clap if you're female, clap if you're not either" or something very similar to that. She got bigtime points with certain communities for that.

>>41913582
Ah, that explains it. Well, good for her.

>>41913582
That's it? Isn't that more of a joke about how websites make you choose gender (Male/Female/N-A)?

what happened here

>>41910637
she didn't have the most marketable avatar, she had to get a redesign. That option is available to anyone

>>41913107
I bet anon will say that she prerecorded her crying parts during her 1st sololive too.

>>41913889
Her design is still basically her original design which is just a blue haired girl. Very easy to stomach. If anything her avatar was the most marketable because the "redesign" didn't do anything but polish it.

>>41910637
>>41911020
>>41913889
Watame is really good but she doesn't sound like she has the vocal talent to stand out outside of the holo bubble. Kinda silly to suggest that she has an image problem.

>>41914635
suisei isn't particularly remarkable either, it's not like she's winning people over because she's particularly talented or something. Like did you watch the live concert a few hours ago? I was surprised just how much worse she was even compared her usual utawaku, the different environment or something must have really done a number on her.

But she has definitely done a lot to cultivate a 'cool', generally competent image overall, which goes a long way. Tryharding and having that payoff in success is great red meat for the fans.

Like her first big opportunity was when they invited her to the yukiyama jinrou collab, and she grinded the game beforehand and did whatever she could to leverage that opportunity into more attention. And then she kept doing shit like that. She leveraged her tetris ability to give off a super cool competent strong vibe. She grinded marika forever to win the company tourney multiple times. She acts in a way where she can so as to project that image of herself. And it works, people love it.

Suisei is just better at marketing and branding herself compared to people like Watame.

>how did she go from this to this?
want a real answer? It's the memes. It's the fucking memes jack

>>41915028
it's a mixture of talent, hard work, and luck

two people can put in the same amount of hard work and the more talented or lucky one will come out on top

>suisei isn't particularly remarkable either, it's not like she's winning people over because she's particularly talented or something
not saying she's god's gift to music, but the girl's got the vocal cords to justify her place.

>>41891771
>FBK in particular dropped her an akasupa
I kneel...

>>41915665
>not saying she's god's gift to music, but the girl's got the vocal cords to justify her place.
has she? she's not completely tone deaf and can hit the pitches she needs to on command but I don't know if I would give her much more in the way of props beyond that. Her tone quality is often just not good. I'd still place her comfortably in the top half of holos but, that isn't actually saying much.

She sounds great when she's singing pieces that are well within her range and isn't fucking around too much but she obviously isn't able to communicate to her orisong composers to take advantage of her natural strengths because they regularly have her going out of her comfort zone.

>>41916110
Maybe you just don't know shit compared to actual successful producers?

>>41916304
Her producers are great, they're just not particularly taking Suisei's ability into account. Again, just listen to her live. You can tell that she has a much easier time with tone quality in some songs over others.

>>41916110
I'll agree to disagree with regards to Suzy, but you kinda started this by replying to my Watame post, so unless you're somehow saying Watame is even on the same vocal talent level, I don't even know what the fuck you're going on about outside of sounding like an insufferable hipster

What a blunder it was for inotaku to have her sing on his label debut (using the first take she sent him for the release) and then form a band with her because he thought she was good
If only he'd taken the advice of some guy on a Polynesian taxidermy forum

>>41916588
I'd say Watame is a similar level of talent yeah. Not so hopeless that she can't hit pitches on command, not particularly impressive tone quality. They both sound fairly untrained, honestly.

>>41916711
>(using the first take she sent him for the release)
they were both recording in person.

1 thing that i feel gets overlooked is people skills. knowing the right person is a cheat code IRL.

to many people don't bother socializing or try to network. she got into hololive because she talked to people. her songs are nice probably great because she got to know great people.

to many times i talk to people and they get mad things aren't going their way because they work hard and nothing happens. but they refuse to properly socialize in their work environment

>>41915028
>Like did you watch the live concert a few hours ago? I was surprised just how much worse she was even compared her usual utawaku
Trying too hard pissbaby

>>41917350
suisei was? maybe

it seems my superiority has led to some controversy

>>41916110
>she's not completely tone deaf and can hit the pitches she needs to on command but I don't know if I would give her much more in the way of props beyond that.
The stench of a nijinigger...

>>41903682
>I feel like out of all holomems, Suisei wants it the most. Other holomems want this level of success too, but they haven't trained for it as much as Suisei
please shut the fuck up suishitfag

>>41891517
Male collabing whore and an audience full of cucks. Yawn.

>>41891517
>>41891560
Suisei is a one-in-a-million combination of talent, vision, and drive. The universe recognizes her power and rewards it.
Also she's really sexy and cute.

>>41915665
This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill, fifteen percent concentrated power of will. Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain, and a hundred percent reason to remember the name (Sui-chan!)

>>41891688
>>41891587
This is a special level of ignorance holy shit
Of all the corpos in the world, Suisei is the one who this is the least true of

>>41916110
>>41916402
I'd like to think she's challenging herself. How can you improve if you don't go out of your comfort zone?

>>41921759
sure, maybe she'll do a better job in the next concert

>>41893495
>are you also not then implying ever single better singing/dancing talent is simply lazy?
Yes, actually. Sticking it out as a nobody until you eventually encounter your big break is a part of the process, and most people don't have the willpower to suffer through it like Suisei did.

>>41891688
Every singer would be nothing without their first record label that led to discovery you fucking retard, delete your embarrassing post

>>41921614
So why wasn't she popular before Hololive?

>>41891771
I thought this was the Suipiss copy pasta but I was disappointed

>>41922126
She was popular enough by very early vtuber standards that Mito's mentioned noticing her in 2018

>>41899702
Miko. Which would make Pekora... Casca.
My god, it's all coming together.

>>41922126
Dumb question. She approached Hololive, demonstrated her value to them, and used that platform to boost her popularity.
She put in a massive amount of effort to develop her skills and brand in order to join in the first place. Then, during her time at the company, she went above and beyond their requirements in order to stand out and continue growing despite management's continued apathy / malice.

What the fuck

>>41923879
MANY such cases. I think Saga Jihen is the biggest example.

>>41923879
You might wanna look at how the Getcha cover is going and then the original mv.

>seething too much
be careful anons, you'll cook yourselves like that

Senkusha is the best song Suisei has done in a while.

>>41908963
She established connections with Arte Refact and have them helped her made a song way before GTA arc dumdum

>>41893495
t.deafchama

>>41891517
>>41891560
I know, who knew hard work would pay off? Maybe she should've been content with mediocrity and just make passive income off her simps. like HoloEN does.

>>41891517
She sucked the right cocks

>>41926162
Mori and Suisei are both the hardest working when it comes to their music though unless you were just talking specifically about Gura since even Kiara puts out a decent amount as well.

>>41926348
Mori works hard but not smart

>>41909015
A lot of people forget (or they simply weren't there at the time) that vtubing was actually kinda dying in 2018. By that time Kizuna and the other original big names like Kaguya would start to fall off from their peak in popularity and novelty. It's really easy to think that Hololive was destined for success right from the get go, but the first two gens truly had to work extremely hard for everything they got. Only by late 2019, with the debut of third gen, did the ball really get rolling, and even then, the popularity of Hololive was still minuscule compared to what it has become in the post-HoloEN era. Fubuki was by far the most popular holo and her numbers back then weren't all that better than what a lot of smaller corpos get today.
It's crazy to think that the first vtuber to ever break Kizuna's youtube sub record was Gura. Even to this day Fubuki has a million less subs than Kizuna's channel has, despite the latter being officially dead for a year. Obviously sub count isn't everything, but it really goes to show how massive that first wave of vtubing was in 2017 and early 2018 and how hard the whole scene fell off for several months. Hololive, 774 and early Niji truly revitalized the medium.

>>41926348
Kiara deserves to be seen as the hardest working EN girl desu.

>>41926398
Cool, but she's definitely not relying on passive income by just streaming.

>>41926162
it's not passive if you have to stream

>>41926348
>Mori
>hard worker
>>41926585
This.

>>41926814
I don't know about you but she puts out content as a result of that hard work.

>Suisei thread
>KFPiss and cuckbeats shitting it up with their inferiority complex

Imagine seething about the trailblazer Suisex opening the mainstream doors for your lesser oshi.

>>41927519
Umh sweaty my lesser oshi is the Indonesian treerat okay, not the chicken or the wigger.

I personally think it's a better story that Okayu joined Hololive just to play games and didn't think she was cut out to be an idol, but she put in the work and matured as a performer all the way to having her own solo live

>>41926348
Hard working people aren't fat.

>>41926348
Not the lean drinker of EN

>>41927914
You mean she won a solo live in the mario kart tournament

>>41891771
The anti-Gura, I kneel

>>41927914
And then there's Korone being a literal nepotism hire but then becoming one of the most popular holomems

>>41891571
Talent and work ethic too, also luck

>>41927519
Kill yourself, shitstirrer.

>>41928041
That explains why your mom raised you this way.

>>41927519
>anons trying to start shit
>meanwhile, the holos: https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1619520466284351491

>>41891587
>>41893495
There were thosuand better singers than freddie mercury, elvis presley, the beatles, etc. and they also got pushed by their companies, managers, etc. yet here we are, what the fuck is your point jealous seething 2view?

>>41893495
>are you also not then implying ever single better singing/dancing talent is simply lazy?
Yes. That's the truth. If they were as hard working as Suisei they would make it.

Post ur pyroxenes.

>You're saving up and only spending at 24k right, Sensei?

>>41895067
Every amv I watched as a kid just flashed through my eyes when I read this.

>>41911142
go back to /rrat/
You didn't see the live concert where she interacted with the crowd and said she look at the camera and also interacted with the Livechat.

>>41901059
>Holo
>Being pushed anywhere by holo
Bad joke all holos are culled

>>41911142
She dosent pre-record it tho? Get your facts straight before spewing shit

>>41941510
The crowd are paid actors