/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>41791867
>shark
>owl
>tree

What does the N stand for?

>>41791964
Nigger

>>41791964
Natal woman.

>>41791981
>>41791964
its (S)hark, (N)ature, (O)wl, (T)ime, you motherfuckers.

>>41791867
The bitchy popular girls that bully and gaslight all the other girls? Yeah nah.

>>41791867
Pure girls minus Kronii. Almost perfect

I used to think so too, until literally just yesterday when i read an anon's lore essay that opened my eyes about just how much of a cunt Kroni is. I feel like a fool for not being curious until just now. Now this group is ruined for me.

Would be great if they collabed as a trio without Kroni.

Wrong.
Hell, even CHAD beats this group.

I feel bad for EOPs

>>41792204
>>41792198
This stream is GOATED because Kunti wasnt involved

>>41792204
>I used to think so too, until literally just yesterday when i read an anon's lore essay that opened my eyes about just how much of a cunt Kroni is.
e-explain anon, point me to it

>>41791867
Gura big brain games

>>41791867
>ORK > SNOT
Its not even a contest.

>>41792416
here >>41710038

>>41791867
I won't change your mind, but for me it's KIRA

>>41792575
>So in the eyes of the Kronies who felt betrayed, she had gone from understanding them and defending them, to siding with the people who mocked them and disparaged them,
holy fuck i feel bad for the kronies

>>41791867
Agreed, looking forward to Goombus being back so we can get more of them!

>>41791867
>2 mommies, 1 autist, and 1 cunny sex demon
yea..... they're the best alright.....

>>41791867
It still bothers me that they named their group after nasal excretions.

>>41792575
As a Kronie all this post tells me is that this guy has no ability to read into things more than surface level, which makes it even worse for him since even at surface level Kronii wasn't siding with people calling her fans incels and the like, so now I question his ability to comprehend anything at all. Kronii always encourages us to bring disagreements up respectfully, which many of us did, me included. She does not like to see her community fighting amongst ourselves which I also cannot find fault in. At the end of the day I think we got a good deal. Since September we have only gotten one Tempus collab in the form of Monopoly. Anyone still angry at this shit needs to sit down and look at the bigger picture and developments that have happened since then. I know I did.

>>41792575
Wow, an actual honest and accurate assessment of the situation. I agree with one of the replies though; she seems like a genuinely kind person struggling in an unfamiliar situation.
>>41795755
>Kronii always encourages us to bring disagreements up respectfully
Except on that one topic because she decided the discussion was over.

>>41795755
Don't forget that all the Tempus Collabs have been forced by Mori. Which would have been under the case of the original deal.
It still sucks she went back on her word, but she's clearly not like Mori.

>>41796210
>Except on that one topic because she decided the discussion was over.
It had to end at one point or another otherwise it would be brought up every time she streams. Imagine every stream from September to now ending with the exact same conversation.

>>41792204
>I used to enjoy THING until stranger on the internet told me that THING was shit, now I hate it
Wow thanks you really opened my eyes.

>>41791867
Seems SNOT is too confusing to some. They should have gone with Holo Cast.

>>41796591
Yeah it had to end but ending it after doing a 180 on your position is incredibly bad faith.

>>41791867
Remove Time

>>41795755
you still there, i hope u just watch don't be a member .
the slow withdrawal is a good step towards dropping her all together,
i know it did wonders for me ,
wish you the best.

>>41791867
SOTN is the best Castlevania

>>41796939
Her original position, if you want to really get technical, was collabing with Tempus. That was the entire reason this debacle launched to begin with. She then tried to make this weird compromise which ended up not satisfying anyone and then went back to her original position. So to say she did a 180 on her position is really not accurate.

>>41797012
I have been a Kronie since debut and a member since memberships opened. I was one of the first people to get a membership. I don't need to drop her because I am not mad about this shit anymore. I think everything turned out fine considering that she isn't collabing with Tempus every other day or week, and in the rare instance she does it is some funny group game like monopoly.

>>41796266
god I love it when you guys blame mori hahaha

>>41791867
yeah, until mori came in and ruined kronii.

>>41797215
>So to say she did a 180 on her position is really not accurate.
This is just word games. She promised her members one thing and then did the opposite, without discussion and also preventing any further discussion.

>>41797425
sunk cost fallacy bro
it's ok, baby steps
she was my 1st oshi, but i left , you can too.

>>41797502
winner winner chicken dinner

>>41791867
>Came out 6 months ago
>Best EN group…

The state of newfags.
Best EN collab is GurAme bar none.

>>41797591
>"the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial."
You see, this only applies if abandonment would be more beneficial to me than staying. I judge that it would not be. Who should I go to besides Kronii? Gura? I am already an original chumbud and one of the first membershrimps. I am completely comfortable in my position.

>>41792061
All right Kronii, calm down

>>41791867
Council (no IRyS) is better. Gura adds nothing.

>>41797586
>She promised her members one thing and then did the opposite
Coming from one of those said members that was against tempus collabs, a portion of that promise sucked ass. It essentially would have left us without a POV from Kronii, something Kronies already rag her about on collabs. That was my big disagreement, I want my oshi to stream her POV. Everything else she actually made good on: She does not interact much with Tempus on twitter and she hardly does collabs with them at all anymore. Ever since the low month of September everything seems to be good in Kroniiland.

>>41792559
Honestly? Just replace kronii with Bae and then it'll be perfect. I've been liking bae's streams for the past few days

>>41798225
>She does not interact much with Tempus on twitter
Yeah but the one time she did, she replied under a tweet about one of the Tempus guy's boxers... Doesn't that suck anon?

>>41798225
>>41798353
didn't she recently request someone's dick?
just move on, it'll be painful but there's many other oshis to watch, just unmember her
the 1st small step

>>41798353
>that one time she did
Yeah, that ONE time. Key word one.

>>41798475
Why do you care so much whether I unmember or not? I didn't try to stop you from leaving. You are being the personification of the "stop having fun" meme.

>>41798225
The no PoV thing would have allowed the more schizo unicorns to avoid it easier, it was just to placate them.
>Ever since the low month of September everything seems to be good in Kroniiland.
Glad to hear it.

>>41798639
as long as you know what you're in for, i rather u just stop lying to yourself and move one but i can't save everybody
>>41798554
you know it ain't true.

>>41798475
You mean how she asked Vesper to cut off his dick because he'd rather do so than to trade with her in Monopoly? Your context comprehension is terrible, but we'll forgive you since being SEA is a huge debuff

>>41798554
Just like a cheater will always be a cheater and will most likely do it again, its the same here,

if shes capable of doing it once, she will do it again

>>41798914
>You know it ain't true.
Okay, forgive me, that one time and that second time months later. What a gotcha.

>>41798971
Man I still can't believe I went ultra parasocial on Kronii, and she went kinda parasocial on her fans. Those were the days,....

>>41798960
ah the faggot brigade has show itself.
just the low IQ level reeks of a fag.
>>41799083
doesn't change it from the truth and reality.
as long as you accept that, then you do you.

>>41798971
She already cleared it up, she said she doesn't date coworkers. Did you even watch the members stream? I have more of a chance than any tempus member even if that chance is one in 7 billion.

>>41799155
The truth and reality of what? That she was sincere in her promise to keep twitter interaction to a minimum?

>>41791867
It would be perfect without kronii

>>41798960
She didn't ask Vesper to cut off his dick, Vesper told Mori he would rather cut off his dick than make a property deal with Kronii.

>>41791867
SNORyS

Shark
Nature
Owl
Rat
IRyS

>>41798960
>>41799417
>>41798475
>didn't she recently request someone's dick?
see
>>41798914
what levels of cope are you having ?

>>41799747
I assumed that he was talking about the original interaction, not the tweet. In the tweet she wasn't even asking, she was stating that it was time.

>>41799907
don't pick and choose, see it as a whole, only that particular types of people like to only see what they want to see and force you to accept their worldviews*

I'm more of a CGDCT enjoyer but when she just blatantly about-faced in the end after all that drama about understanding the section of her fans , it was a sour taste i left.

simply put, ppl watch a show like K-ON, Nichijou, Daily Lives of High School Boys(her fav), for their obvious slant,
if i wanted to watch both I'll watch something like school Rumble etc
there's a reason why most hololive fans are chill with Bae

The only good thing about SNOT is that it gives us more of the best comedic duo that is Gura and Mumei.

They should be collabing weekly IMO.

Can toss gura out. Shes more invested in being secret stuff while others in EN have to remind everyone thats shes still alive.

Devour streams were good, the other ones were boring

>>41797012
Her member streams are the best though

>>41798353
Not really. It was a good batsu and everyone replied to those tweets except the no-fun girls

>>41801779
found the cucks lmao

>>41795755
She did side with people calling her fans incels and calling GFE creepy though. That's why she also had Cover put out that statement since she KNEW there would be backlash. People try to give her credit and say "Oh poor confused dumb Kronii, she doesn't know what she's doing" but no, she's an adult fucking woman, she knew what the consequences would be. Not to mention that most of the people pushing Homoshit were not from within the community in the first place, most people were against it or didn't care. The people who were vehemently for it were the dramaniggers from Twitter and Reddit, which is also why Infinity went fucking lightspeed and had like 140 IPs in what was usually a 50 IP thread.

Think of it this way, Kronii was not the first or even the 10th Holo to collab with males. Yet she's the only one who received this backlash. Shitposters will tell you its because SHE COLLABED WITH MALES, SHE SAID UNFORTUNATELY IDOL CULTURE IS A THING, SHE SAID THEY HAD NO FEMALE FRIENDS, but no it's because she gave the appearance of wanting to listen to her fans and get closer to them, only to spurn them and decide she was going to do the opposite anyways. Kiara, Pekora, Noel, Fauna, Mumei, Irys, have all been asked about collabing with males and said they probably wouldn't. There wasn't a sudden flood of Discord raiders in the wake of those clips. Because they made their stance clear, same as all the Holos who HAVE collabed with males, Bae, Suisei, Mori, Sora, Towa, Fubuki, Matsuri, etc.

Kronii tried to play both sides, parasocial is a high risk, high reward type of vtubing. But she reaped the rewards and then hid behind management when the risk loomed. Anyone saying she was clueless is just infantilizing her for the sake of defending her, if she were clueless, she wouldn't have asked management to put out that statement. She's an adult woman and she made her choice.

>>41802766
First off, I never said she was clueless, so half your argument doesn't apply to anything I've said. Second, I was fucking there. I know exactly what happened, when it happened, and how it happened. Do not talk to me as if I am some sort of outsider looking in. I fought the homobeggars when they started bombarding Kronii's chat with their shit. I still fight homobeggars. What I am not going to do is unmember and stop watching Kronii because I believe that after everything that happened things stabilized. We have had only one homo collab since Mario Party months ago. I think she has walked the line of being in the center pretty well. The problem are the people on both sides that think anything less than what they want is unacceptable.

>>41792061
Hey dipshit, it’s a joke

>>41805065
>The problem are the people on both sides that think anything less than what they want is unacceptable.
Muh enlightened centrism. I was there too and I'm not talking to you like you're an outsider, I'm talking to you like you're a sunk cost Kronie in denial. You wouldn't happen to be Soren would you? All that will happen is when the next homo collab/interaction happens, and it will happen, you'll be left with the same feeling of unease. And if you're really arguing in good faith, then its important to note that I specifically go to lengths to explain that I and I think many others, did not leave simply because she collabed with males. That's the line that trolls and shitposters want you to believe. So no, it doesn't fucking matter that shes "only had one homo collab since Mario party months ago." That's not the issue. The issue is she acted like she cared about her fans and their input, told them things would be okay, and then did an about face with no room for discussion after. That's fucked up.

>>41802766
The Cover statement is because kronies were already harassing StarsEN fans

>>41798225
Why would you want her to stream her perspective of a tempus collab if you don’t like tempus collabs? Are you stupid? The whole point would be that it allowed unicorns to properly avoid tempus while allowing people who actually care to just go watch on tempus’ channel… which honestly, would have probably helped them grow more, collabing on their channel exclusively so that people have to go to the tempus boys channel to watch the collab

>>41802766
You mindbroke yourself into thinking that unarchived member stream promised more than it did. She never promised not to interact with them on Twitter, so if you felt betrayed by one tweet reply it's on you.

I'm learning alot in this thread. Although kronii is a cunt, she still has one of the most sex models ever, and voice.

REMINDER THAT THEY ARE ALL ANTISEMITIC MAKING HOLOCAUST JOKES
https://youtu.be/f2POsyHFEmo?t=7987

>>41805804
>She stated clearly, that while she would NOT stop doing male collabs, she would not initiate them, probably not tweet to them that much, and she would not stream her POV to them. This satisfied all but the most die hard unicorns, and again, even Aliaga Ayin was pacified. The point is, the Kronies that felt this way felt HEARD. She didn't just dismiss them out of hand, like others were doing.
>probably not tweet to them that much,
Never said she did. She just said she wouldn't interact with them much. Then again going to tweet to a boxer immediately after saying that is kind of a dick move. But you probably didn't read that or anything else since you still think people feel betrayed by a one tweet reply. Go on, just tell me MUCHO TEXTO or TLDR and then fuck off.

>>41791867
>in HoloEN
not a very high bar

>>41806010
People did freak out over that one tweet reply, that's the point

>>41792242
Vesper should really not associate with them.

>>41805512
Enlightened centrism only doesn't work in the realm of politics, this is not political. I am NatSoc, I know this well. This is a woman who has an audience on both sides of a petty apolitical issue that she feels the need to satisfy.
>The issue is she acted like she cared about her fans and their input, told them things would be okay, and then did an about face with no room for discussion after.
Really? Because I feel like she cared about what we had to say. Some people thought otherwise because they cannot handle their perfect outcome not happening.
>You wouldn't happen to be Soren would you?
No, I am neither Soren, Gabe, Gantai or the like.

>>41805751
Because when it comes to my oshi I am selfish and want her to stream her POV unless she physically cannot.

>plays both sides of the homo and anti-homo factions and does it seamlessly

>>41806180
Good for them, I'm not talking about them.
>>41806216
>I am NatSoc, I know this well.
Please go back and then kill yourself.

>>41806180
>You mindbroke yourself into thinking that unarchived member stream promised more than it did. She never promised not to interact with them on Twitter, so if you felt betrayed by one tweet reply it's on you.
No your point was this one individual felt betrayed by this hence the using of the word "You". Unless you're just some retard ESL.

>So much time has past that the girls have to name drop Gura and make up stories with her
>Clip channels dredging up VODs from year 1
>Manager puppeting her twitter
>All of this from one of the members from the "Best" group or team
Just drop the S already

>>41806668
I love it when clipniggers put Gura's image in the thumbnail even if the clip itself only mentions her, or even sharks in general, and she's not in the actual fucking clip because they know it will get views.

>>41796793
>fauna starts "oh no"ing before mumei even finishes, before even gura got it

>>41806724
Why anon, what ever could you mean! Surely all these clips are extremely relevant and accurate, and from a fairly recent point in time!

>>41806978
EN Clippers who don't translate to Japanese should just fucking die.

>>41806440
bases autist

>>41791867
Remove the whore and you're right

>>41808025
Which one?

>>41808081
Yes

>>41791867
>Muh SNOT
Why did Gura go to Japan after Mumei and Fauna left though?
Kronii was not in Japan either, btw.
Why are blue women like this?

>>41795755
Kroni is a fake bitch who didn’t put her Tempus collab schedule out until after her collab because she knew it would cause shit and she wanted to avoid it like the spineless cuntworm she is. Kroniis are pathetic faggots for still watching.

>>41809879
blue women are just automatically superior to everyone, but they everyone hates them. It's just how it works

>>41807053
based

>>41791964

>>41809879
factions~, it's quite obvious the two myth problem bitches needed to go before gura goes.

Thoughts?

>>41811919
the set up was so obvious to see when you finally step out of the ring.
those still in the membership are just blinded , i hope they can be saved, but only if they are willing to be saved themselves