/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Vesper is a bigger asshole, terrible person, menhera etc.

But Kronii actually betrayed her fans, lied to them, shat on idol culture, etc.
Maybe not out of malice but I don't give a fuck, she deserves to be shitcanned.

>>41685772
love can blossom the most unexpected way

>>41685772
That seems like a dream come true situation. Can I get rid of both?

>>41685772
My two oshiis...

Vesper. He's more unique of a find and no other corpo has a Vesper.

I have no fucking idea what you're all talking about

>>41685772
>the most popular holostar vs a has been who tanked her numbers
I think the answer is pretty obvious.

>>41685772
I'll let Ojou decide for me

>>41686580
She mog your retard with a SC reading stream when he fucking struggle to get to 3k

>>41686580
Nah Magni is the new hot kid on the block, Vesper fucked his chances up with his little menhera act.

>>41686607
RIP Kronii

Keep my dignity and scrap all of western vtubing

>>41685854
This. Better to have a smart asshole than a dumbass nice guy. One can be convinced to play along for mutual benefits while the other can burn the whole stage down because some fans are complaining.

>>41685772
vesper
if there's some way we could throw in the rest of tempus, that'd be great too

>>41686739
>he doesn’t watch holostars

>>41685854
>betrayed her fans, lied to them
wait what did she do?

is there ever a day where holofags don't hate on their talents

>>41685772
how is this even a discussion, Kronii stays.

>>41685854
I don't understand why Vesper is seen as a terrible person, please explain.

>>41686580
Yeah. Bye Vesper.

>>41691783
She collabed with... men.

men shouldn't become vtubers

>>41686624
>Holos get bigger numbers than Homos
woah....... it's like... it's always fucking been....

>>41685772
Fire Mori.

>>41685772
Vesper.

Will SEA ever stop making these catalog bait threads?

>>41692564
the only right answer

>>41685772
I'll take kronii. She's at least more reliable than a fucking autistic 40 year old virgin who is a week away from comitting a massacre because he's off his meds.

Fire Kronii. Get Vesper on permanent meds.

>>41685772
Let Kronii go so I can keep watching her without having to deal with the rest of Hololive

Can't we get rid of both? Send the rest of the males + Mori and Ame while you're at it

>>41685854
>shat on idol culture
based

>>41685772
Mori

>>41693865
Then stop watching an idol company retard, you might actually be as dumb as kronii.

>>41685772
Cut tempus, cut everyone who’s collabed with them. Then EN will be pure

>>41691928
>ignored Tempus anniversary completely, didn't appear for the collab despite literally streaming on the same day solo
>ignored another off-collab with Axel he was supposed to be part of
>refuses to explain wtf is going on and just tries to ignore the elephant in the room out of existence
>goes to japan without his schizo meds, then whines about le hecking anxiety
>keeps spamming about his shitty solo cover song nobody gives a shit about instead of explaining why he's ghosting his genmates
>likely had a fight with Altare (rrat)

That's just the recent drama, the fact that he got suspended for 2 weeks for losing his shit towards his own manager should have told you enough about the guy

>>41685772
Vesper is just an unmedicated schizo. Kronii drag him in and his whole group down to her shitty drama to bust her ego, and before all of that she stolen Shien's lyrics and only credited him on the 5th line on her description once his fans called her out on her bullshit.
No one who watches the boys respect her and the ones who do are sub-human Collab beggars who don't look pass her fake persona, she has to go.

>>41691783
>collabs with men
>kronies mad about getting cucked
>promises to not do it anymore
>suddenly goes "actually fuck you, I'll collab with males all i want, fuck idol culture btw"
She would have just been another Ame/Ina/Mori mini-cuck, but the dumbfuck just had to make false promises and then go back on it on top of having a meltdown and blatantly doing the collabs out of spite (for her fans)

>>41694637
This but save Ina, her song recordings for that song probably happened before they even debuted and she didn’t know how UNHololive they were going to be at that point. She has even mentioned the new homos and have like 10-15 secs to talk about the song

>>41685854
fpbp

>>41685772
Kronii applied to hololive as a joke, same as Mori, but Mori at least streams and has generally accepted her roommate will never be as famous and Mori, whereas Kronii still thinks this is a temp job.
So Kronii.

>>41685772
Kronii adds nothing to hololive. I would keep Vesper.

>>41685772
>EN branch is a mess but it can still be salvaged
No, it can't. Just rebrand IRyS as a JP vsinger and throw out Myth and Council. Nothing of value would be lost.

>>41695070
>Ame mini cuck
Kronii did a bunch of shit but Ame sang one of the most romantic songs in history with Altare and was swooning all over him during it. I think that's way worse.

>>41692180
So just like what Ame, Mumei, Kiara, and IRyS did?

>>41694463
Nah fuck you

>>41699132
Vesper adds nothing to hololive too because he's holostars you dumb fuck.

>>41694921
I don't see how this makes him an asshole.

>>41685937
just one unfortunately

>>41695070
>promises to not do it anymore
that's a lie

I haven't watch any of the homos, but I would keep Vesper and throw Kronii to the trash. Every branch needs some action, HoloEN already has Mori, then starsEN needs Vesper.

Kronii is doing a Mori rn, but she doesn't make the big chunk like Mori with the music, so she doesn't have any motivation to stay in hololive. She's gonna take as many paypigs as she can and graduate this year or next one, there's no use in keeping her

It has been ordained by the very stars themselves. He WILL come home. You cannot halt the inexorable machinations of the universe.

>>41701428
It's just a schizo from /MANS/. Anybody with empathy, their presumed oshi included, understands that right now the dude is operating at half power and under extreme pressure. It's his fault he let it get this bad but they're ignoring that he did apologize for the erratic behaviors lately(even though it was shitty and late)
tl;dr: painted nails typed that

>>41685772
I honestly don't care if either of them go but if it was Kronii it would deeply affect the rest of her genmates who are all close with her, not to mention that they'd carry the stigma of being the first generation with two graduations
Vesper on the other side has already soured his relationships with the rest of his branch and his managers, he can be let go and most wont even miss him

>>41685772
as much as i hate the homos, i hate kronii way more

>>41685772
Kronii, of course. She has nice tits.
Seeing a Tempus graduation being speedrun would be funny as hell too.

>>41685772
Gura. She doesn't work

>>41702384
She still has at least 20x more subs than any male.
Your next cope will be "dead subs!"

>>41702551
No, she doesn't stream
Or do you only watch sub numbers

>>41702613
So you're just a catalog watcher.
Looking forward to your coping in a few weeks.

>>41701223
based

>>41694463
ok idolfag

>>41702687
How many goba streams you watched in last few months? I was watching kiwawa btw

>>41694921
You know he's been off his meds right?

>>41701157
Except she couldn't keep her stance on it. Said she doesn't use twitter that much, proceeds to joke about vesper's undies. Said she won't collab unless invited in a members stream, proceed to say otherwise in public, then talk about hating idol culture in a clipfag's video to the point where the clipfag had to delete (hide?) the comment before it went too far.
Even vesties are tired of her.

I don't understand why the representation of a fictional character streaming with an other representation upseting you fags,

They will be nothing else than parasocial relationship

>>41685772
You know if one goes, the other is going to follow. No point in choosing.

>>41685772
Just fire them both.

Fire them both.

>>41701157
Anon, I like Kronii(I just see her as some rare specimen of human being) but even I can say she made a massive 180, sweep the evidence under the rug, and took a new stance. It makes me wonder if she really, actually thought her fanbase only saw her as something more than an object of carnal desire, or their GF. Like, really, I really wanted her to stick to her guns and she would have been easily be able to collab with Vesper or the others through group collabs under her conditions. Having that Retard of Gabe didn`t help either.

Vesper, for sure. HoloEN arguably suffers more from having too many people who really don’t want to be there than from Tempus existing. Kronii leaving would be far better for HoloEN than getting rid of someone from the sister agency.

>>41708604
I mean, they did though.
Just look at this board's views on Kronii being a talking pair of tits and being upset whenever she tried to hide them.
She felt uncomfortable with the audience she generated and wanted a new one, and saw the boys as a way to get a new audience.
Clearly worked well with the likes of Gabe fucking off to some other chuuba.

>>41691783
You're probably gone from this thread and there's a good chance you didn't care/post this question in good faith in the first place but I keep seeing these fucking baits and threads all over the place and seeing as how /vt/ is a bunch of clip casuals, I'll try and answer the best as I can, as someone who used to be a Day 1 Kronie.

>Honest Effort Essaypost Incoming

First of all, when people ask "What did Kronii do?" there will always be a bunch of trolls eager to jump in with responses like "SHE COLLABED WITH MEN" "SHE SAID UNFORTUNATELY IDOL CULTURE IS A THING" and "SHE PROMISED TO STOP COLLABING WITH MEN AND THEN DIDN'T." These answers are all wrong and everyone who posts them is a faggot. It doesn't even matter why they post them. Some of them are trolls just trying to stir the shit. Some of them honestly think that's what happened because they didn't follow Kronii and just listened to whatever troll post or dramatuber vid told them. Some are actual Kronies trying to make the Kronies that left look like unreasonable schizos. Whatever the case, every single answer that is along those three lines is wrong and can be discarded immediately.

What actually happened with Kronii was a little more complicated. Basically she first attempted to understand where her fans were coming from, and then abruptly did an about face and sided with the people calling them incels. It was a betrayal of trust on the deepest level, and whether or not she meant it this way is irrelevant, the effect was the same.

Basically Kronii did not have a lot of things going for her as a streamer early on. She had the Wada model and a nice voice. But she wasn't great at zatsudan, she wasn't great at games, and she wasn't great at singing, she also did karaoke pretty rarely. Which is fine, part of the joy of the Hololive experience is watching your streamer develop over time. Thus people had to find something else to latch onto and they did so by becoming parasocial with her. This wasn't helped by her choosing to watch a lot of "Gosling" movies in member streams like The Truman Show, and of course Ryan Gosling himself in Blade Runner and La La Land.

The male collab thing was not well received by this portion of the fanbase and they made their discontent known through long and lengthy posts in her community, trying to explain themselves as best they could. Whether they were CGDCTfags or just plain unicorns, or people who didn't like the drama that male collabs inevitably bring, they spelled out their grievances, for the most part as composed as they could be. I'd say the only person that came off close to being a unicorn was Aliaga Ayin's post and even that wasn't that deranged. Some of these posts were from long time members, people Kronii would actually talk and react to in chat, Kronies refer to such people as being on the "spreadsheet' which is an alleged list of her "favorite" members. The most notorious of this would be Gabe who was mentally ill and attention seeking from Day 1, but even his post wasn't that crazy.

The point is during a special unarchived member stream, Kronii took the time to read these posts, out loud on stream, in an effort to better understand what these people were unhappy about. And for a brief moment, that won her a lot of love and respect. While Reddit and Twitter were calling these people unicorns and incels, she actually took the time to read them, addressed their concerns, and even defended them, saying she didn't want people attacking her fans. She stated clearly, that while she would NOT stop doing male collabs, she would not initiate them, probably not tweet to them that much, and she would not stream her POV to them. This satisfied all but the most die hard unicorns, and again, even Aliaga Ayin was pacified. The point is, the Kronies that felt this way felt HEARD. She didn't just dismiss them out of hand, like others were doing.

Then less than a day later, she did this tweet, disappeared for a week, and when she came back said she would collab with whoever, whenever, and that was the end of it. There was no further discussion and at the same time the Hololive account made that proclamation against harassing the talents.

So in the eyes of the Kronies who felt betrayed, she had gone from understanding them and defending them, to siding with the people who mocked them and disparaged them, while running and hiding behind the skirts of the company from the inevitable backlash she had to know would follow. Honestly it would have been better if she had never done that unarchived members stream. She gave them hope that she understood, if not fully agreeing with where they came from, and then dashed it violently. That's why they hate her so much. It's not as simple as "male collabs" or "unfortunately idol culture is a thing" it is a real long standing feeling of betrayal and loss from people who watched her for over a year and thought they had a deeper understanding of their oshi and she them.

>>41685772
your mom

>>41701972
Your average Holo girl gets torn apart for less by people who want to talk about how much better Tempus is

>>41713237
>homofag fans are also cancerous
shocking

>>41710038
>So in the eyes of the Kronies who felt betrayed, she had gone from understanding them and defending them, to siding with the people who mocked them and disparaged them, while running and hiding behind the skirts of the company from the inevitable backlash she had to know would follow.
Honestly this is the thing that made me think Kronii really sucks as a person. I'm not even a Kronie and I was able to feel that sting when they got hit by this. This is genuinely a bad thing to do to someone, like violatingly so.

>>41717367
If she did it on purpose, that makes her a shitty person. If she really GENUINELY had ZERO idea of how it came off, then she spent over a year talking to the same fans everyday and just wasn't paying attention at all and took them for granted. Not sure which is worse.

>>41685772
I hate Tempiss more than I do liars, so Vesper.

>>41718037
Why the fuck is this one anon spamming random wojaks lately?

>>41718378
Who knows why shitposters do anything.

>>41717671
To add to this, when Kronii tweeted to the holostars, you had some people spamming videos from her unarchived member's stream on the issue.
Also Kronii mentioned she didn't get permission to do the member stream and said some disparaging things about management in the stream like they weren't giving her any support and their advice was just to ignore CGDGT and unicorn members, so it's likely the week break was her getting bonked by management.

Regardless, she fucked up by immediately tweeting the holostars.

>>41703136
Intentionally going off your meds is an asshole move. He decided to do it.

>>41718846
In light of how it all turned out, management was right. She should have just shut up and solidified her stance. It was that moment where it felt like she was actually going to give a shit and then immediately turned around that caused the most harm.

>>41718846
I feel It wouldn't have been as bad if she didn't respond to a tweet of the fucking underwear of one of the stars. It looks as more of a fuck you.

>>41718846
>>41719244
that's why she should leave,
no value would be lost,
i'll do my best to get any to leave her stream
even 1 kronii fan leaves is better for everyone
some oshi/women are just terrible human beings, and some people are just too blind to see

>>41719372
I disagree the fuck you was doing the unarchived member stream, where she seemed closer to her fans than ever, then immediately coming back, making a short terse statement that this is the way things were going to be from now on and no further discussion would be tolerated, and getting Cover to shield her. It was a draconian way to crush all dissent.

>>41719521
at least you left a toxic oshi,
better earlier then not.
in some sense i'm thankful for mori, gathers all the shit to her orbit.

>>41685854
fpbp

>>41710038
Damn that's harsh.
If this is really what went down, I feel sorry for the ex-kronies, and those who are still kronies. That really is a betrayal of trust, regardless of the intention.
I imagine that, maybe, just maybe, management told her that she'll have no choice but to participate in male collabs, and even stream her POV when required to. to prop up the males. it was either that, or she would face some sort of sanction that would put her job at risk.
but that's just me shoddily applying Hanlon's Razor. if true, though, I also feel sorry for Kronii because picking one part of the fanbase over her job is not an easy decision to make, regardless of what the logical decision is.
Anyway, the well was poisoned, regardless. There's no going back.

>>41718846
And the solution was actually just shutting the hell up and let the thing die by its own, but she's so retarded that she has to do that membership stream, shit on management that for once in their lifes gave a good advice and go to the channel of Nerrev to fight in the comments. And all to end up going back to management and ask for their help. I see really normal that she had to change managers at least 3 times, not everyone is ready to be in charge of a lazy menhera

>>41719706
Mori was undoubtedly some of the reason Kronii turned out the way she did though. That fat hamplanet gathers shit into her orbit but as her mass increases, so does her gravitational pull. If she was fired, a lot of problems would disappear.

>>41685772
Do I have to keep one?

>>41701981
Nah his branch are saviorfags. If Vesper really did graduate they would blame themselves. But I think they recognize that he's enough of a menhera that he's currently a ticking timebomb so they're reinforcing unity with the rest of the branch. If Vesper starts taking his meds, showing up to group events, and does a sincere apology, they wouldn't have an issue with it.

Lmao looks like nijifags restocked their Steam Gift cards.

>>41719797
Yeah no, there are members of EN that haven't collabed with males, Fauna and Irys come to mind. The threads during and immediately after that stream were full of posts claiming they were so happy and they'd never felt closer to Kronii, the whiplash of the boxer tweet and her immediate reversal probably caused at least one to commit suicide.

>>41710038
That's horrifying because in some ways it's like a backstab. So it is technically worse than simply telling unicorns to fuck off early on
Based autist paragraph poster. Keep spreading the truth

>>41718378
Isn't there always some fag spamming a random image in every thread every week hoping it becomes the next big meme or something? You know how autistic people are in /vt/.

>>41720021
That tweet really fucked things up for sure. What gets me is that this was all so avoidable. She coulda talked to management first about the misgivings of the fanbase, then do an (authorized) members' stream where she would let the unicorns down softly. What mattered at that time was transparency between her and management, and her and the fans. What we ultimately got was a result of a lack of that transparency.
I know this is basically crying over spilled milk. It's just that so many fuckups like with Ame, Mori, and now Kronii are all so avoidable in hindsight. Truly, we live in the worst timeline.

>>41720152
Meanwhile shit like your image reduces it to simple troll explanations of why people are mad at Kronii, when that's not it at all. Nobody gave a fuck about the female friends comment, it was seen as a clueless gaffe at most.

>>41720437
She didn't even have to let the unicorns down softly. The male collabs were a hard wake up call, plenty of people were ready to leave then. But she pretended to hear them out, raised them up higher and then slammed them to the ground. She should have just let them down hard the first time instead of baiting them and then doing it again.

>>41720840
That's assuming that she really wanted to troll the unicorns and goslings. Which is probably not in her best interest. Because that would make sense, right? To let them down hard the first time. Why have the members' stream at all?
It's possible that she first wanted to handle the situation at her level by doing the members' stream. I think it was a legitimate effort on her part since she also peppered it with misgivings about management according to this post >>41718846. Unfortunately for her, management got involved, the week break happened, and she had to go down on the unicorns hard.
Either that, or she really just hated that part of the fanbase. Personally, I'd prefer to apply Hanlon's Razor.
This is just all theorizing, anyway. It's just sad, is all. Kronii had a lot going for her too. I wasn't a fan of hers much, but a lot of my friends liked her. I dunno these days, though.

>>41721333
You're giving her too much credit. I don't think she really wanted to troll them but she either didn't see how it would come off (I doubt it) or she decided in the end she didn't care, which is cold.

>>41685772
Some of the EN girls love Kronii to bits. Keep her for the sake of one-on-one collabs.

>>41721469
Yeah, maybe I am. In the end, the effect is still the same anyway, despite her (hypothetical) intentions.
It's always the promising chuubas that get yabs like this. I guess I just feel for Kronies since I already got burned with Mori and Ame

>>41685772
I don't know who the one on the right is so kroni

>>41719409
I appreciate what you're doing, I really do. But anyone who hasn't left her at this point is a lost cause.

>>41719409
based, keep fighting the good fight.

>>41694921
many reasons and it might be any of the following
>he still has a temper
>he has social anxiety now that four more people are added
>he probably got in trouble again and doesn't wanna explain
>had a fight with altare I guess? idk
>he's hatefucking kronii
>actual big project he claims to be doing (probably a cover song)
>he just doesn't like collabs anymore after the monopoly ordeal
go with whatever rrat you want

>>41685854
If all the girls refused to acknowledge the males there wouldn't be any issue in the first place. The fallen ones should graduate.

>>41725465
EN as a whole should graduate. Save the few good ones, transfer them to JP.

>>41718975
Pretty sure he said he couldn't bring them into japan?

>>41728810
He said he THOUGHT he couldn't bring them into Japan. Which is retarded, maybe do a google search, or call your manager and you know, FIND OUT? Worst case scenario? Bring them with you, Japan says you can't bring them in country. You'd be out your medicine for a few weeks, which he is anyways now and he definitely has the money to buy more. It's a weakshit excuse.

>>41685854
seethe

>>41727888
That would be the optimal measure. Too bad Cover corp. is not exactly known for taking optimal measures.

Honestly I'd rather get rid of both. Kronii and all males.
But if I had to pick I'd rather get rid of Kronii.
If the guys stayed on their fucking lane I would have nothing against them but it's bitches like Kronii dragging them into Hololive that are the real problem.

>>41733266
This makes no fucking sense, if you got rid of the guys, there would be nobody to drag into Hololive in the first place. Kronii would just be a lazy sack of shit, which while not ideal, is hardly unique in EN sadly.

>>41685854
vesper has the excuse of being a rookie while Krooni is confirmed evil.

>>41733266
>it's bitches like Kronii dragging them into Hololive that are the real problem.

the only holo who had an __off collab__ with a male talent is Hakos Baelz. She's the one breaking all the barriers, not krooni.

>>41735188
Bae at least was honest and upfront about who she was and set expectations early. Kronii didn't, despite having multiple opportunities.

>>41733266
oh sweet a schizo thread

>>41735188
yeah I'd love to get rid of her too
>>41733423
I'm just being reasonable here, I think it's easier to get rid of a few girls than the whole male branch with 2 gens already

>>41736011
Mori, Bae, Ame, Kronii alone are the size of a male gen. If we're being super strict, you'd have to get rid of Ina and Mumei too.

>>41733266
>but it's bitches like Kronii dragging them into Hololive
>Mori and Ame and literally are the only ones who setup multiple "unity" collabs

>>41738335
Kronii sets up male collabs now too. It's one of the things she went back on. At first she said she'd only say yes if someone asked and wouldn't be the one to initiate.

>>41737523
Ina and Mumei are fine.
>>41738335
Times change. People change. Circumstances change.

>>41685772
Fuck Kronii, she didn't even know Weather Hackers or Ahoy. Even if you hate men with a passion for some reason, that should be unacceptable for anyone who actually enjoys Hololive.

>>41685772
Neither, fire them both, nothing of value would be lost. Fire the rest of the council too, and Mori. And Ina, and Gura.

>>41694921
Oh no I can't believe he got mad at the heckin' based EN management who treat the talents like queens! (Granted, they do let them just go on hiatus for months at a time, at least)

>>41701157
>Mumei, Kiara, and IRyS

Which males did they collab with? I'm drawing a blank here

>>41741432
It's some schizo who thinks IRyS is fucking her sound engineer or something.

>>41685772
Neither, get rid of both

>>41685772
Remove both

Keep Vesper.

Kronii is a one note personality. You know what you're going to get and what that is is just average.

I'm not exactly thrilled with stressed out no meds Vesper, but his usual weirdness I find enjoyable. If he returned back to tame unhinged instead of literal unhinged, keep this psycho away from me level that is.

>>41685854
this wouldn't have happened if there were no males in holo

>>41710038
That's fucked up. I wasn't even there for this and I get upset reading this. What could possess her to change her mind so quickly? There's gotta be something behind the scenes.

>>41741432
>mumei did one single group collab with stars JP, where she barely talked and just keep being the creepy kid in the back with her drawing
> Kiara participated in a card game tournament where mori friend where, and she keept flirting with game teacher, who is a female
> IRyS it's just schizo who say that because she have her rigger in her firend list

>>41685772
>Vesper
Hire brotuber white guys to be his friends, give him meds

>Kronii
Brainwash her into thinking idol culture is good and if it's failed, kick her out

>>41742162
>Keep Vesper.
Why?

Vesper, and its not even close.

>>41747806
This

This thread, but disregard every homofag reply

>>41685772
>>41685772
>, however one of these 2 has to be let go for the situation to heal,
Says who? Based on what?

>>41701972
He's working in a corpo. He should be more professional about it

>>41685772
>keep
Don't worry if one goes the other will soon follow. They're too much in love already

>>41685854
> shat on idol culture, etc.
HOLY, I didn't know Kronii was this based! I hope there is at least one unicorn out there that killed themselves because of her.

>>41685772
Keep kronii, fire that manchild and offer eveyone ITT a loaded shotgun to relieve themselves with

>>41743123
Mori.

>>41710038
I'm not reading that...

>>41685772
I still watch every Kronii stream (except the male collabs) despite all this. I realized as long as Fauna isn't like this I'm alright but if Fauna or Gura collabs with men I am done with HoloEN. Anybody in EN can collab with males and I don't care but if either of these two do it it's fucking over

>>41710038
holy shit what the fuck. that's so long man

>>41710038
Dare I ask who's your oshi now

yeah right we should get rid of OP instead

>>41710038
This post is good anon, you explained everything properly. Especially this one
>So in the eyes of the Kronies who felt betrayed, she had gone from understanding them and defending them, to siding with the people who mocked them and disparaged them, while running and hiding behind the skirts of the company from the inevitable backlash she had to know would follow.

t. ex-kronie

>>41710038
>Then less than a day later, she did this tweet, disappeared for a week, and when she came back said she would collab with whoever, whenever, and that was the end of it. There was no further discussion and at the same time the Hololive account made that proclamation against harassing the talents.
I like to think that Mori is a contributing factor to this lmao, because didn't kronii all of the sudden become like Mori's partner for all the homo collabs?

>>41686739
>little menhera act
you mean when he threw racial slurs at the staff because he got caught asking for factorio codes while using gura's name? I don't know man, that's kinda based if you ask me

>>41753489
i'm proud of you that you left
only faggots and cucks are left.
let that cesspool rot, she made her bed now sleep in it.

fire both, keep Kronii's model and recast her

>>41707259
Yeah, I love and I am parasocial for Kronii, but then she lied and fucked everything up. Now I have another oshi. You will never understand cuck- I mean anon.

Keep Vesper because he absolutely shits on “women entertainers” unless these oshis are giving you guys IRL head then just watching them is a pathetic cück mentality. Support bros support bro talents.

>>41753169
If you have this reaction pic then im gonna assume you are/were a Kronie and present when the homo shit went down.

>>41710038
didn't she did something similar recently.
>gfe-baiting asmr
>"that person you were jealous of, that can be you now" iirc
>turn around and did another male collab with vesper and magni where they go full unhinged and vesper mentioned cutting his dick in front of her
hopefully you didn't fall for that a second time

>>41725436
>he just doesn't like collabs anymore after the monopoly ordeal
He only had himself to blame for that. Only a retard would keep triggering another retard (Kronii's fanbase) KEK

>>41685772
Kick Mori instead

>>41754088
He’s the Bae of his gen where he thinks screaming during collabs = entertainment.

>>41685772
I don't even want the homos in hololive, but from what i have seen vesper seems like an alright guy. I like him. Kick the clock woman.

>>41710038
Sad that this post is in a sea of literal fucking trash. Very valid points here, my only addendum is I genuinely believe Kronii is a kind person (to a fault even) and she did not make this 180 in a closed system, someone she looked up to or at least trusted whether it was management, a senpai, genmate of hers, or a friend from outside hololive convinced her (or pressured her) that this was the best move. Kronii is not a rock-the-boat type person and she doesn't cause drama intentionally so this whole thing came off as very ooc for her.

I don't think she should graduate, but she has a very long road if she wants to repair any sense of trust from fans and she knows that she has burned some irrevocably. The people claiming she is some evil bitch who needs to leave immediately are incredibly short-sighted and likely blinded by anger. While she did break the trust of many, holding a grudge against her, anti-posting her at every opportunity and repeating the first three quotes this anon said ad nauseum just make you look foolish and further galvanizes anyone who supports her and most people in between just think you're a retard.

At the end of the day, she's a girl in a unfamiliar position trying and fumbling to do the right thing, I think she's stumbled hard here and the people who are supposed to have her best interests in mind betrayed her, whether aware of the outcomes or not and now she has her bed and has to lay in it.

>>41760732
I'd have to disagree. You are being way too kind to Kronii here. One of the things that post doesn't mention was the immediate and huge influx of outsiders to the comments, "people" from Reddit and Twitter flooded in to fight their Holy Culture War against the "incels". Thats why the comments by her longtime members stood out so much and why she held that members stream. Even someone as oblivious as Kronii recognized that they were being raided not by regular members of her community and she even said as much, saying that it was obvious that there were a bunch of outsiders trying to stir shit. I do not think she was a girl in an unfamiliar position and fumbling to do the right thing. I don't think it was a stumble. She knew from the outset that a ton of outsiders were calling the fans of hers who didn't like the collab incels. She said as much. And yet in the end, she STILL chose to side with the outsiders. You can blame Mori or whoever you want but we won't know what happened behind the scenes, at the end of the day, she was the one who made the decision and she is a big girl, she should bare responsibility for it.

Also as was stated, the people repeating the first 3 quotes are probably not ex Kronies to begin with but rather lazy trolls trying to get (You)s. That doesn't change the fact that what she did was heartless and cruel. She will not regain the trust of those she wronged, and the people still with her have unwavering blind trust in her so she never needed to prove herself to them anyways.

>>41735248
What opportunities? Tempus didn't exist

>>41761874
Kronii cultivated a parasocial atmosphere from debut. Not just by watching Gosling movies in membership as was mentioned, but also by talking to her fans deeply about things, interacting with certain regulars, and failing to rein in chat if they got too weird. A good example of this was her first Inscryption stream in which an attention whore sent a suicide bait SC in which Kronii was credited with saving someone's life. Now normally, you need to take a firm stance and shut that shit down immediately. Instead Kronii let it pass, along with a bunch of others. She made no distinction between Kronii or her RM, interacting with her fans on both accounts, even the ones without the decency to make alt accounts to watch her RM. She still does this. Even up to the unarchived member stream, she dug out a book on parasocial relationships, read a bit from it, and concluded things weren't that bad, and said people should enjoy the best they could. She never established clear boundaries like other chuubas have and enjoyed the benefits of it, (increased interest in streams, increased desire to purchase goods and membership) all the way up until she pulled the rug out. She literally had her cake and ate it too.

Compare that with chuubas like Rushia or Lamy who commit to the bit or ones like Suisei, Fubuki who state from the start that while they can't stop people from loving them, they will always hold them at a certain length.

>>41685854
man i hope more kronies off themselves

>>41762287
Why does that mean she shouldn't collab with males? I enjoy when she talks with her fans deeply about things and the fact that she played DbD, Mario Party or Monopoly with males from her company has no effect on that

>>41762430
It means she shouldn't be a two faced lying bitch who wants the money and attention that come with parasocial baiting, but is too much of a feminazi to commit to it fully because that's "incel culture". If she had been clear from the start like Bae, people wouldn't be as angry with her. Note how much more money Kronii made than Bae. Is that because she's a better streamer than Bae? Bae's model is also pretty good, so it's not like you can say that it was just Kronii's model that did it. No it's because she played with the parasocial side only to drop it when she couldn't be bothered anymore.

>>41730072
I feel like you cucks are the ones seething because we’re preventing full unity

>>41762882
Unity is one of the most misused terms on this board and that's including unicorn, GFE, parasocial, and idol. Unity used to be that you wouldn't actively anti the Hololive girls. That's it. You praised the ones you liked and didn't say anything about the ones you didn't. Now it's been expanded to include Homofaggots, indies, Nijis, whatever the fuck people want it to mean, all while trying to borrow the goodwill of the Holo girls, since those other categories don't have enough of their own.

>>41762597
Parasocial doesn't mean she has to pretend to be your girlfriend, retard

>>41762597
>feminazi
You are such a sheltered retard if you think she of all people is a feminazi.

>>41710038
thanks for this insanely long schizo post
I think it sucks that kronii and many others in holoEN aren't doing the kind of content I like but when you talk about "betrayal" and stupid shit like that you play directly into the idea that people that want GFE can't differentiate fantasy from reality. it sucks that people that want this kind of content have little recourse or don't have a ton of (popular, quality) alternatives but to get psychotically mad and write long posts about it exactly proves what others are saying about GFE and the stupid "unicorn"/"incel" slur.
the relationship between the streamer and the watcher is inherently asymmetrical, even in the absolute ideal circumstances. your best option is always to support the content you like and drop the content you don't. if someone directly asks you why you can give your reasons -- like you're doing here -- but, generally, nobody is actually asking you at this point, and I don't think the EN branch of cover really wants to hear this kind of reasoning even when it is asked.
does it suck to be misunderstood and to have your hopes built up and then destroyed? does it suck to want something and then have someone tell you that you can't possibly want that? like, yeah. but that is life. and if you were basing your well being on a particular streamer understanding you, if you invested more time and money than you were willing to sacrifice for what was always only a potential for the kind of content/interaction you wanted (which, at the end of the day, I think this is what this is really about), YOU fucked up. That's on you.

>>41762597
>feminazi
she literally leans into caricatures of those kinds of people during the vesper collab. she openly calls karen a karen despite it being a harmful female stereotype

she's shitty, but feminazi is not a label I'd give her

looks like the kronii defense force has arrived.

>>41685772
>With these characters deaths, the threat of atrophy is reversed. Restore a saved game to destroy the weave of fate, and persist in the doomed world you have created.
Beat all of Tempiss to death with Troonii’s lifeless body then frame Mori for it.

>>41685772
kill vesper
fuck kronii

>>41764945
At least Mori has kept her cat alive.

>>41765168
Dont fucking jinx it

>>41685772
Vesper because if kronii graduated fauna would be sad and i cant have that

>>41765485
they'll all get over it.
just like when Sana left.
Fauna still has Gura.

>>41765850
This, plus they can still keep in touch off stream. You know until Kronii has a depressive episode and ghosts everyone for months because she takes her friends for granted and putting effort into relationships conflicts with her laziness.

>>41765938
i'll await her fall from grace and become a onlyfans whore.
seems only fitting, could have an simple job vtuber with the girls but goes full crash and burn, deserved !

I think you guys need to make your own fantasy vtuber league to fulfill your drama autism.

any porn of kronii and vesper?

>>41764181
baffling post

>>41685854
FPBP, the clock gets the glock, Vesper shall live for another day

>>41695070
That shit's based, actually fuck all of you. You niggers genuinely should kill yourselves. Can't agree more with Kronii here.

>>41764181
You didn't actually watch Kronii.

>>41725436
What was the monopoly ordeal?

>>41764181
It's pretty insane to say that an 'asymmetrical relationship' is some sort of justification to throw up your hands and go 'well, let's suck it up, no hard feelings'. Lots of these exist in real life. If a politician just blatantly backtracks on campaign promises, do you go 'haha, you were a fool for voting for him, if you really believed he would do it once he's unremovable for a term it's on you?' No, you are perfectly entitled to express your opinion on his inaction or action, even though you have practically zero influence on them carrying it out or not.