/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I wanna marry and breed the pengy.

Who? I have amnesia, you see.

I'm glad HoloEN is collapsing, the Japanese branch will always be the real Hololive.

Is she good again? I havent watched her at all since luca kept showing up in all of her streams

>>41697039
Being in HoloEN seems to make most of its female talents act extremely bitter towards their fans or become severely depressed

>>41697136
The more I stray out the more I realize something has to be wrong with holo en's inside culture, girls in other corpos dont seem to end up that way

They might have gotten into Council if they hadn't applied for Nijishit first

>>41697039
Their best content is collabs most of which involv males. They wouldn't get to do those in Sololive. They'd get burnt out from the lack of variety available to them just like the rest of holoen.

Begging again?

>>41697308
Why would you not assume everybody that applied for a corpo in 2021 applied to both?

>>41697210
Girls in other corpos feel like they have more to strive for. They benefit somewhat from the corpo boost, but not to the degree that it entirely defines them, the way the Hololive brand can turn anyone into a highly respected, highly subbed 4view. Small corpo girls feel that their hard work contributes to their performance. They also get away with more outlandish stream concepts because they tend to fly under the radar while all eyes are fixated on Hololive 24/7.

>>41697432
Niji enthusiasts assumed this of my oshi until she said that she only ever applied to Hololive. It’s not impossible.

If they got all the popularity handed to them so easily they would get lazy and look down on faster. Sad there's no better middle-ground

>>41697452
Part of me really hopes it is an issue with being handed success like that. I dont want to beleive my small corpos and indies will get the same way if they ever blow up

>>41697493
nobody is begging for any of the holowhores to be in nijisanji yet you see multiple threads and posts with holobeggars asking for pomu/selen/rosemi/meloco and maybe others. asking for petra in particular is peak retardation since she have always been into nijisanji

Pomu come home

>>41697796
>Meloco
I’d believe you or anyone on this, up until the Luca shit. Otherwise, it’s mostly shitposts, one exclusion possibly being Selen given her penchant.

>>41697718
Of course it's an issue. Hololive fans didn't get mad at Connor because they thought his opinion was retarded, they got mad because he verbalised exactly how it is.

Hololive dump money into and provide a cushy life for the girls far before a reasonable person could say they've earned it. Kronii made $50k in SCs on her Monetisation stream alone, for example. Gura will make lots of money over Valentine's when she love bombs her fans next month too. EN3 will be yet another batch of girls who have large aspirations until the motivation to achieve them is sapped dry by easy money. It's no wonder Hololive fans look at other companies to pick and choose what girls would be their 'dream' choices when the reverse never happens.

Selen maybe. Pomu would be destroyed by holo schizos when her yabai was revealed.

>>41698243
Im still throwing wads to those pictures

>>41698333
chumbud...

>>41698090
it happened before she revealed herself a nijifan and a luxiem sister

Petora would rather want to be able to collab with Debi than anything Holo gives.

>>41697432
In the early days Nijiniggers tried very hard to spread the narrative that all the NijiEN's are not in fact Holo rejects but true Nijisanji oldfag fans who never watched Hololive.

This narrative got completely assrape-nuked by the discord leak that showed that not only did a lot of them in fact apply to Hololive but got rejected, but also that Hololive lives rent free in their brains.

>>41698536
Looks like HoloEN scouts didn't do as well as expected.

>>41698536
Thanks for the input /#/ resident but I didn't need you to say the same thing I did while seething about the version of nijisanji fans that exists in your hrad

>>41698536
>Do the next biggest power move in the EN sphere and debut big corpo males
>Other company scrambles to recruit their own males
You simply can't just notice that.

>>41698536
>In the early days Nijiniggers tried very hard to spread the narrative that all the NijiEN's are not in fact Holo rejects but true Nijisanji oldfag fans who never watched Hololive.
Complete and utter bullshit. Everyone knew DAY 1 that Elira, Pomu, and Finana had applied for Myth but didn't get in. This was never ever EVER up for debate, everyone knew, because the three of them said it themselves in their PLs.

>>41697452
This is my rrat, but i think this is one of the objectives of the ACCELERATE plan. If you compare the NijiEN sub count of girls and men. They arent that far apart.
Nina was the top subbed for a moment, but the backlash from her luxiem colab and a long rest ended with her losing that position and Selen reclaimed that spot.
In Holo EN, myth had too much time alone. Gura,Ina, etc. would never pay the price of a long rest or a yab. So the girls have this "untouchable" status, they dont have to work and management cant impose anything by force, like a min streaming time.

>>41697432
Niji opened auditions in December 2020, and the first 6 had signed by the beginning of February. Council auditions opened in mid-February.

>>41697039
>Petra

The story of NijiEN is like this.
>first 2 waves are hired as the same batch, debuting at separate times
>They trying to copy Hololive by acting very seiso and pure
These were the legendary "lazusydia" days that drew a lot of ex-hololive fans into Niji. The girls had very good social interactions, would freely join each other's VC, and had lots of fun times messing around on stream. It was spontaneous, charming, and felt special. The best of time to be a nijiEN fan.
>then Ethyria debuts
>debuts aren't advertised well, get low views (and shark streamed over them rip)
>this leaves the Ethyria girls in a desperate scramble for numbers, start trying to leech any way they can
>start popping into VC calls, not to have fun with friends, but to leech popularity for themselves
>social atmosphere is becoming less friendly
But things can't get worse than that, right?
>Luxiem debuts
>debut streams are surprisingly weak, but quickly gain a following on Chinese social media and their popularity explodes
>start bringing in so much money it's unbelievable
>the entire nature of the fanbase changes, from ex-hololive fans, to fujos
>because of the lingering open-VC culture, the boys start randomly joining the girl's streams. This pissed off the male fanbase, because every time they'd try to watch their oshi, a male would join the stream and start talking about his dick
>Niji ends open-VC forever
Seeing the success of Luxiem, Niji changes their business strategy. Instead of trying to scoop the North American market, they'll double down on China. It makes sense, especially because Hololive is banned in China, so it's just free money.
>Noctyx debuts another wave of male alents. Enormous debut numbers, but a very weak roster of talents leaves them underperforming
>at this point Ethyria staring at Luxiem's numbers and licking their chops.
>Decide to abandon all principles and start leeching off the boys.
>Reimu forced a ship with Vox, which he played along with out of sympathy for her awful numbers.
>Nina joined the Luxiem offcollab and almost every stream of hers included the boys, resulting in an absurd number of subscribers (#1 for a while) but low viewers
>the other Ethyria girls become noticeably less seiso. Enna starts acting like a cunt, Millie starts becoming more lewd and unhinged.
>these changes start to infect Lazulight and Obsydia too, Pomu starts hanging around Luca all the time and becomes much less seiso than before. Does her infamous Pufferfish collab which drove away a lot of original fans and severely hurt her hololive appeal
Then Nijisanji decides to debut their first mixed-wave. The unfortunate result was ILuna, which was filled with normalfags.
>At this point, Kyo messages Enna on discord and they become friends (or more than friends perhaps)
>Their first collab together was so popular, they become inseparable. Start visiting each other's streams all the time. They do more collabs and each time get huge numbers.
>Millie is missing out on the leeching, so she starts trying to create ships with Luxiem members.
>Elira does her offcollab with Shu in a love hotel. Doesn't hurt her too much but becomes infamous with japanese fans.
In a later collab, all the Ethyria girls talk about how glad they are for these changes, how dropping their seiso act felt soooo good. They even said that they hoped more change would be coming soon. For this reason, let it be known forever that Ethyria is the whore wave. Meanwhile the Hololive girls are looking at the male attention Nijifems are getting and feeling jealous, pushing Holo management to debut males of their own.
>XSolei debuts next, going for a Kpop appeal. Niji has completely abandoned the Western market at this point, hires a bunch of ESL's that stream in the Asian timeslot.
>Now Ethyria decides they want to break more boundaries. Enna invites Kyo into her bedroom and they do an NTR offcollab flipping off her fans and calling them cucks.
>Several of the females are openly flirting with the males or trying to start ships to leech popularity, Ethyria leading the way of course.
>people speculating that Pomu and Luca will offcollab soon.
At this point, the remaining ex-holo fans in Niji are looking at each other nervously, wondering how much worse this is going to get. A few of them start an aggressive shitpost campaign to push back the degeneracy and make a place for male fans in a thread which had been overrun by women. The /nenfem/ thread was created, Ethyria was called out for being the whores they were. The Luca copypasta was pasted. Enna's reputation was permanently obliterated.

The struggle continues. Between the original Lazusydia fans, who remember day when NijiEn was special. And the disgusting fujos, and their Ethyria whores, desperate to push the branch into full-on degeneracy.

tldr:
Lazulight+Obsydia = fantastic, but being tainted by Niji culure
Ethyria = whores and leeches

>>41702429
>>people speculating that Pomu and Luca will offcollab soon.
It's gotten this bad? I've been watching Pomu skipping the big group collabs and without visiting threads lately. Needless to say, that point would be when I leave for good.

>>41697796
Are you saying that Niji fans wouldn't take Mumei or Fauna if given the chance?

>>41703309
Those people would get 1/10 the viewers in Nijisanji. The reputation of Nijisanji with male fans is in the gutter.

>>41703309
I don't know anything about either of them, except that saplings go uuu and Mumei was supposed to be secretly crazy or something(?). So I don't have any strong feeling on the matter

>>41702429
>mixing some half-truth withouth right lies/assumptions


Bro. Why would you ever do this? Just for the attention?

>>41697039
Keep crying bro, open pomu Minecraft is currently live now and keep dreaming also don't forget about her 3d in 2 days and her 3d AR live concert in April

>>41703309
Those 2 would become 3view if they were in niji

>>41704237
No chance, they'd be Pomu tier as a floor.

>>41702429
>>41703022
lol

>>41704283
Pomu tier at the beginning is a 3view vtuber, she has done so much more than that to become like now

>>41702429
You forgot the part where we were repeatedly ridiculed by holofags, got flooded by a bunch of those obnoxious fucks after Coco's graduation and Council's debut who ignored the previous culture and wanted their hololive 2, who then proceeded to throw a shit fit in every thread after anyone breathed in the same room as a male, shitted on every other nijisanji member who wasn't EN but still had healthy discussion, flooded the thread with tribal faggotry by repeatedly calling all the other girls whores, demanding they graduate over the stupidest things, drove out every fanbase into split threads, repeatedly flooded the thread with gore and CP when the first femanons started posting, then repeatedly whined about the good old days while shitting on every other branch member and begging the other members to revive to your dead, dying company EN branch who you scurried back to after NijiEN started becoming like their JP branch, all while it is currently going through a middle management crisis who lobotomizes the talent out of every one of it's members and clearly doesn't give two shits about them or their audience. I don't like the direction some members of the branch are going either, especially in Luxiem and Ethyria, but there's more to it than your holofag tourist narrative. Also for the record, /nenfem/ wasn't created as a pushback to the women in the thread. They very respectfully kept themselves contained in /nenmen/ once it was established. /nenmen/ and /nenfem/ were created because none of us wanted to deal with you fuck ups for the reasons stated above.

TL:DR Fuck off tourists

glad she never applied to that dying holo branch

>>41704997
All I'm getting from this is that Mythfags are cancer and ruined vtubing

>>41704556
Those two also started as 3view vtubers. In fact it's highly likely they were all in the same big vtuber server Elira ran.

>>41697039

>>41704997
>breathed in the same room as a male
That's just the issue right? EN somehow got in their mind that offcollabs with a male in your bedroom is something "normal" when JP literally never does that. When they do offcollab it's either in studio, and for a home collab it's same-gender. But in EN, Elira meets up with Shu at a love hotel, Luca stays up all night with Maria at Disneyland, and Enna goes on a NTR date with Kyo.
>repeatedly whined about the good old days while shitting on every other branch member
The good old days were GOOD, the other branch members were being complete whores and changing the culture from one that accommodated us, to one that accommodated some of the most disgusting people on earth, the Luxnoc whores.
>NijiEN started becoming like their JP branch
The JP branch isn't like this
> holofag tourist narrative
Luxnoc whores are twitter tourists
>/nenfem/ wasn't created as a pushback to the women in the thread
It was created in reaction to the Enna/Kyo fallout which was devastating the thread for a month and hasn't stopped.

>>41697039
Would have gotten an easy 2 million subs but they wouldn't have a 3D debut and their own branch concert.

>>41704997
>repeatedly flooded the thread with gore and CP when the first femanons started posting
In retrospect that was a public service.

>>41697039
Luca girlfriend

>>41713009
>own branch concert
I can't wait for the concert to happen and for it to be obvious that they put all the effort into day 2 of the concert. Because that's the one that will be printing money.
Fans of the NijiEN girls never learn their lesson no matter how many times Luxiem gets preferential treatment.

>>41703511
meanwhile, in reality

>>41703309
>Are you saying that Niji fans wouldn't take Mumei or Fauna if given the chance?
I would actively run them off; the NijiEN girls are popular with the male audience in SPITE of the company they work for, not because of it. Whatever improvement they'd get in terms of less psychotic management and more music support would have to contend with a gigantic shift to their content since the whole branch is basically Twitch lite at this point. Nobody would be happy.

>>41697718
Well, the way it looks now, the small corpos won’t ever incline to HoloEN levels of success because A.) NijiEN is still stable, B.) There’s several of them and their whole unityfag strategy makes it seem as if they’re all inclining at once.
Like, sure, maybe Idol will incline faster than Phase, or maybe Kawaii will benefit the most from refugees from other corpos. Maybe there will be different levels of success. But I highly doubt the levels of instant success Connor was talking about will ever happen in EN again, except maybe for Salome-style bubbles that quickly regress towards the mean.

>>41704997
>They very respectfully kept themselves contained in /nenmen/ once it was established.
Lol. Lmao even.
>repeatedly flooded the thread with gore and CP when the first femanons started posting
A true hero.

>>41697796
Holofriends are retards, what else is new? It was pretty unlikely in NijiEN’s early days, but it’s virtually never going to happen now with the state HoloEN is in currently.
Not that HoloEN members are likely to move to NijiEN either. It’s not because of the culture or whatever, it’s literally just rational choice and the girls’ own careers. Whatever you think of HoloEN (I dislike them, myself), they get the highest CCVs on average in EN vtubing. Moving from a job where you have high CCVs to lower CCVs is a step down. None of the HoloEN girls can ever join another corpo again if they know what’s good for them.
Because ten years from now, in whatever job they want to apply for (either a behind the scenes role in a media company or anywhere else), going from a 4view in HoloEN to a 3view in, idk, Phase Connect or Idol, is going to look terrible. It doesn’t matter if there’s a reason, the hiring manager is going to wonder what the hell happened.
I bet several HoloEN members would be happier in all aspects other than the money if they joined another corpo, but it’s such a bad career move that I would never beg for or expect them to switch corpos. Not unless HoloEN is firmly dead in the water (as in, getting regularly mogged in individual average CCV figures by other corpos).

>>41715522
Pippa is inclining to hololive numbers almost, so it is possible. It is just that she doesnt really go for the vtuber audience, she went for the dramatuber audience

>>41698333
I get that Pomu is that person from the 2010s, and that part's fine, but I'm still hoping there's a chance that the other person from the 2000s is someone else. Though I guess she was just a dumb teenager back then...

>>41714237
Sure look like you are only a catalognigger and have never looked at nijien thread for once

>>41715978
Yeah, pretty much. Small corpo strategies seem to be a mix of “copy HoloEN, but without their shitty management”, plus “find ways to break out of the EN vtubing box and draw more audiences without copying NijiEN and Vshojo”. And that’s why I don’t think there’ll ever be a single corpo to replace Hololive in the west, just like I’ve never really believed there would ever be a single Gura killer (just a bunch of smaller vtubers who slowly collect her audience the longer she goes without streaming).

>>41702429
>They trying to copy Hololive by acting very seiso and pure
Lol.

I get such a warm feeling whenever I see one of these "if Pomu/Rosemi/Selen/etc was in Holo she'd have X million subs" posts. Like genuinely I laugh at the cognitive dissonance that Holobronies must suffer when they realize they got stuck with the lazy talentless trendchasing whores who are just in it just to rinse them for every penny, while le big bad Niji got the girls who are truly passionate about streaming and vtuber culture.

It's not too late to redeem yourselves, Holobrony. I'm Pomu, and you can be Pomu too. Just accept Pomu into your heart.

>>41697039
Cry more, irrelevant loser.

>>41698923
nigga there's literally a PL video of pomu saying she wants to get into Niji.
Are you really that retarded?

>>41717167
And? She also applied for Myth the year prior, and got rejected because of no streaming experience. That's why she started vtubing as Mint.

>>41697136
Fuck off Ame schizo. Think of how much you could have improved yourself by now, if you just took her advice.

>>41697039
there is no way for them to join, being a lazy ass is one of the main requirements to get hired by blue triangle.

>>41714237
Just like Luxiem will get costumes first
Just like Luxiem will get the best merch(sisters hate it)
Just like Luxiem will get 3D first
You fags have been saying this for so long now, stop coping, they dont even get unique birthday merch, just the same copy/paste shit every other liver does.

You lost numberfag.
Christ I cant even imagine Selen being in Hololive, that woman has done a ton of work that spreads to the rest since its all unity stuff like the train, obsydia express, the lofi versions of each waves song, she would get denied over and over in Hololive, nevermind the complete and utter lack of collabs, Kiara and Fauna couldnt get a 3rd person to help them prepare for that wither thing, and now thats dead cause of the new server.

>>41716778
Do you really think Holofags are making these threads?

>>41718359
Nah they got a 3rd (Mumei) but the 4th (Gura) ditched so it got postponed indefinitely. Wouldn't be surprised if those three just did it without Gura at some point.

>>41698536

>>41718359
tbf NijiEN management did heavily focus on Luxiem (pushing the other waves to the side) as soon as Luxiem started taking off in like late-January 2022 all the way until October 2022. From all the Luxiem-only merch runs, to dropping the branch-wide "NijiScenario" in favor of the Luxiem-only animated shorts "PuchiLuxiem", to giving them a new group song on their 6mo-anniversary when the girls (or even the branch as a whole) didn't get anything similar on their 1yr anniversary. It wasn't until the tail end of 2022 that cut back on all the Luxiem favoritism that was giving them really bad optics (even from Luxiem fans themselves).

Selen and Pomu might have become different people if they had joined Holo for all we know. In the sense of gaining more money which will almost always change someone for better or worse.

>>41721637
I doubt it. Selen makes so much shes constantly making shit for all branches and commisioning shit for herself and others, Pomu made enough to move out and quit her shitty wagie job, and enough to buy a fucking pachinko machine and have shipped to her.

>>41716617
Smaller companies don't need to 'replace' Hololive, they just need to find themselves an artery of their fanbase they can slowly bleed dry.

NijiEN initially caught the Holofags and Unityfags that wanted to see what Hololive's slightly more unhinged rival had in store. They then captured the audience of people who wanted to normalise mixed gender collabs and now they have their own identy. Production Kawaii aggressively guns for the people who want GFE but can't get it in post-Tempus HoloEN or their oshi is on hiatus. Idol Corp attracts the people who want some semblance of idol purity, and Phase Connect is a magnet for demented right-leaning Gachikoi to have their basedtubers.

Hololive had a monopoly of EN fans and now they don't. That is enough for startups to smell blood in the water and start eating at HoloEN's carcass.

holobeggar thread

>>41697039
Most top10 corpo vtubers and a few hundred indies would've had 2 million subs by now if they were in Hololive.
Sucks for them I guess. They made the wrong choice and now they'll have to live with it.

>>41721886
Most based post here.
EN had a monopoly, now they dont, the vtubing world is so much bigger now and if you aint getting what you want/need from one group, theres more out there to choose from.

>>41717556
I appreciate the (you) but I think the last time I watched Ame stream was when she played CS GO during her debut week

>>41697039
no she wouldn’t, the free subs era of vtubing ended 3 years ago
selen is only 20-30k subs behind fauna and bae

>>41718968
who the fuck else wants them to be holoshit? The language and modus operandi of making shit up because they dont watch vtubers is the same as holobronies

>>41726834
I'll give you a hint. Any holofag who already watches them and enjoys them won't care about them switching corpos because they're fine with watching them where they are
Any holofag who doesn't watch them wouldn't give a shit about them.
You can tell the OP is a shitpost because they included fucking Petra in there. It's the same shitposters making low quality bait threads every day

>>41697039
numbers aren't everything

>>41721542
they paid from their own pockets for the song dumb fucker

>>41733641
For Jizz on the Cock? NOPE, that was 100% management organized and funded, hence why it was on the management-controlled Luxiem Channel (and not on one of the livers' channels) and had merch made to celebrate the song itself. (which actual liver-funded songs don't get)

>>41697039
The ONE TIME Pommers was on Hololive, she
could only ping 14k ccv.
Yes, it was on both her and Wawa's channels, but it all cancels out credit-wise.

I don't know how that would translate to projected subs.

>>41697039
Yeah and if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike.

>>41697136
That's what happens when you sell your body to a group of old businessmen in exchange for fame.

>>41721542
Honestly it would be stupid to not strike while the iron is hot and not push Luxiem as hard as they did.

>>41697039
You will watch Pomu 3D right?

>>41697039
I'm glad HoloEN is collapsing, the Japanese branch will always be the real Hololive.

Retard

>>41741674
yes

>>41743456
Holo en is collapsing?

>>41747851
Pretty much

>>41697039
If Pomu didn't join Nijisanji, she would have likely made it into Council.
I'm not sure she's what Cover was looking for in Myth though

>>41704997
deal with it lol

>>41702429
Nina Kosaka has been the best thing to happen to nijien since the obsydia debut. She's overqualified for the job. Insanely talented streamer, amazing tardwrangler, unifier, the beacon of hope for the western vtubing.

>>41697039
>2 million sub
Nah, but 1 million would be real easy, this also applied on the JP side, I think some of the new Niji girls can easily get 1M subs if they're in Holo instead.

>>41752229
Based HoneyGOD

>>41697039
They'd be unironically Mori-tier but without the music buff.

>>41716778
>>41717882
Fucking laugh at this holohater. You're the embodiment of that smiling mask/crying inside meme, while you're typing your inane shit. I'm glad the holo girls continue being popular while you're clutching your irrelevent niji whore while you're shouting at the clouds.

>>41697039
>any of those
>even get 1M subs
lol they are boring as fuck. They would hit a hard wall at around 500k.

>>41702429
All of them are reclining massively anyways the chink interest is continuing to wane Vox has become a 4k shitter now his asmr and karioke no longer surpass 10k anymore and nijis stock price is also dropping every day i guess we will be expecting some moves from niji to save there brand the only advantage they seem to have right now is events and tournaments

>>41749839
Holojp fag here it has reclined a lot but collapse isn't the proper word fauna is doing good and mumei is dropping college so she is returning to her peak gura will return soon and there is also EN 3 that will boost the whole branch

>>41754658
So the implication I'm getting here is, 20160 more minutes?

>>41752457
Nah mate holox is far more talented then the new niji jp branch and they still haven't reached a mil yet there is really no one comparable there to laplus and Chloe and also the current koyori

>>41754818
Maybe, there is also the dreaded holo expo if holo surpasses the niji expo numbers they will be the indisputable #1 in the industry there is so much stuff they can reveal there 3 potential gens for en/id/jp girls, hololive alternative and there biggest Ace holoearth which might be released globally on the expo

>>41754622
You'd know boring, wouldn't you, sapling?

>holofag only watch Hololive and live in their own buble they don't know there is "better" vtuber out there
>i-it's holofag i swear they are begging my oshi to join their company even if they don't even watch them

>>41702429
what a story

>>41697039
She would've gotten kicked out of hololive for posting nudes on the internet like a trashed out slut whore. She doesn't belong in hololive.

>>41702429
Yeah. Actually you are spot on. I recall seeing a post talking about how Ethyria leeched on Luxiem explosive success, followed by the other girls to some extent later.
Makes me wonder how things would have been if Luxiem were instructed to not collab with the previous waves in order to retain female unicorn viewership. Oh well, such posibility is now lost forever.

>>41697136
Japanese unicorn culture is a poison to western women

>>41754804
>Mumei is dropping collegue.

Holy shit, really?

>>41755342
Fauna is for intellectuals, I wouldn't expect a Pomufag to grasp the subtleties of her humor.
Go laugh at your oshi's peepeepoopoo jokes lmao.