/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

To me - Any JP5 member
To others - Sora as a symbol, Fubuki/Miko as the first viral one, Suisei as the greatest asset, Marine/Pekora/Watame as the hardworkers

Miko. I dislike her but she's one of the most active in her own activities as well as when it comes to organizing collabs

>>41483977
Pekora, Korone, or Fubuki.
No one else in the conversation.

I have never spent money on vtubers. They can leave anytime they want. I am not attached to them at all.

>>41483977
Fubuki I think

Kiryu Coco, she's the only holo who got 500k live viewers

It depends.

A positive impact, Coco like graduation would probably go to the ones that >> 41484091# said.

For a negative impact, something that would always be remembered as a dark stain in Holo’s history would be if a mem was outed for grooming their fans, or if they had a full on menhera breakdown on stream, something straight out of NSO where they make a stream just to call every other mem a whore and tell their fans to kill themselves. Maybe add some slurs for good measure.

>>41483977
It depends on the reason why the holo graduates. Miko graduating because she's burned out would have a big impact. But an unpopular chuuba Holo like Anya graduation would have a huge impact if it was because she did something like kill, rape, and eat the other IDs.

Miko or Korone. Pekora has more viewers but weaker attachment to other members.

>>41483977
pekora or miko probably

>>41483977
Gura > Pekora > Aqua

>>41483977
Korone by a mile

>>41484291
Honorable mentions, especially Pekora, but Miko surpasses them I think.
She is the protagonist of Hololive, after all.

Also I'd like to remind people of Suisei.
Although Suisei doesn't take much from being in Hololive, her contributions to hololive on a meta, company-level are perhaps second to none. A similar statement can be made for Mori Calliope, despite the feelings of many /vt/ antis.

>>41483977
Aqua.
She is the MVP of vtubing. If she quit everyone would be depressed as fuck.

>>41485039
They had two years to prepare themselves, it wouldn't come across as much of a shock. Fans would probably accept it easily too if she gave a proper reason

>>41483977
It already happened and it was Coco

>>41483977
To the fanbase, Pekora or Miko, they are rhe ones who lead the charts and losing either of them would cause the uproot of many fans.
To the members, Fubuki or Marine. If they graduate and continue activities on the Internet in other ways, I expect bad things to come to Hololive as a whole.

>>41483977
Marine will graduate in 2024 so you'll find out then

Honest answer? Probably Fubuki. She's pretty much the biggest pillar of hololive right now, with connections to all the other holos, and her leaving would have a much more drastic impact to them.
Miko and Subaru are probably close seconds. They have a lot of connections within Cover and have a broader audience than Fubuki. Other top performers like Pekora or Aqua don't have the same level of inter-company connections, so while there will still be a big party thrown when they leave as they do contribute massively to Cover's success, I think eventually things would die down like they did with Rushia. Marine and Suisei have significant meta contributions to Cover beyond just standard streaming, so their leaving would diminish Cover's growth more, but I don't thing either would be as impactful as FBK, Miko, or Shuba.

>>41485299
Fuck, I don't want to live in a world where Maine graduates...

>>41483977
FBK leaving means Cover is a black company.

Depends on the method and reason for graduation. Someone soft graduating with a few months of buildup would probably have less impact then someone hard graduating life.

>>41483977
Number-wise, Pekora for sure. She's the holder of the box, which is Hololive's main source of growth and visibility.
Otherwise I'd probably say one between Sora, Foobs and Miko.

>>41483977
Gura obvioysly. That would be the death of the company

>>41485581
>There will come a day where Maine won't say Ohio to you ever again
Whyoming

>>41483977
Pekora, fubuki, subaru, sora, watame, aqua, suisei, korone, okayu, gura, marine, the rest. In order

Not to me personally, but in general

>>41489748
Forgot miko, before subaru on the list

>>41485039
Aqua is half gone already, people are already getting accustomed to what it's like to only see her very rarely.

Actual answer would probably be Fubuki or Miko

>>41483977
Gura. Hololive wouldn't have survived 2020 without her.

>>41483977
Gura because she's viral. Pekora because she's popular. Fubuki because "you can trust cover as long as i'm here"

>>41489943
Pfffffffff hahahahahahahaha, anon, you and your silly jokes.

>>41484482
Nah any top holo graduation will surpass that at this point

FBK.

if fbk is gone, it means the company has gone black

>>41483977
Fubuki and it's not even a question.
Her status rivals Sora, she's the Mito of hololive.
Her friendship with holomembers rivals Marine.
Her public relations with other creators rivals Towa.
Her brand representation/safeness rivals Aqua.
Her position in the company rivals A-chan.
Her content uniqueness rivals haachama's.
And she's still popular.

>>41483977
Proper contest can make anything bigger or lesser the impact of it.
Any holo graduating due to health issues, with proper announcement, schedule and graduation events would/will be sad, but will not impact the popularity of cover at all.

Rushia and Coco already graduated though. In fact Rushia did worse than graduate she got fired.

real answer ? depends on the reason of graduation, any graduation with huge real scandal not just some schizo rrat could bring a company down, but there is also some graduation that would actually rise a red flag, it only applies for member who is old enough and always or most of the time always in line with company direction and have quite enough influence of it, so if someone like Sora especially her, someone who is the foundation of core aspect of the company like idol stuff etc, graduate with a reason like "creative difference" it will rise a real flag that the company is really changing, anyone can graduate and it won't really change the company financially since the brand is already big enough to afford it, unless it's something like mass graduation which unlikely to happen without any big scandal to begin with

Pekora or Miko graduating would potentially be a massive blow to Cover's number dominance, especially as they've been responsible for maintaining Hololive's momentum past Coco and HoloEN's blowups (and downfalls). I do think there are members prepared to take on their mantles just in case though, such as Suisei or Subaru, but in the immediate moment the formers' graduations would have way more impact than Rushia or Coco.
Fubuki basically held Cover under blackmail with her ''if I leave, that means you can't trust Hololive anymore'' statement. She's guaranteed to leave a significant stain unless her reason for leaving is absolutely necessary and inevitable, such as being down with a terminal illness.
EN-wise, I don't think any of the girls graduating would leave a big mark. Gura is essentially absent anyway and the rest don't really have a significant legacy upon Hololive.

>>41489279
At least we'll still have Cali...

Aloe - 2020
Coco - 2021
Sana & Rushia - 2022
It's weird to know that at least one holo will be gone by the end of this year

>>41483977
Fubuki, Sora, Pekora, Marine, Mr. Koro.
If Coco or Rushia were still here they would make the list as well.
Everyone after those 5 would be impactful but not in the tier of "biggest impact".

>>41491791
At least we already know it's going to be Laplus so there's no suspense

>>41491835
Rushia had no impact at all. Nobody cared.

>>41483977
Gura's could lead to VTubing interest dying in the West.

>>41483977
yagoo

>>41491888
It was literally a Japanese media drama sensation

>>41491947
Not her firing, retard.

Fubuki. That's like all schizo doompostings suddenly comes true at once. Cover and holo won't survive losing her.

>>41491947
And what did it result in? Rushia left Hololive but she's still active as a vtuber (and if you believe her fans she's still making the same money). Mafu and Kore are still around like nothing happened. In the end, for as big as the discussion about it was, there weren't a lot of actual material consequences.

>>41483977
Mori because there would be months of celebration.

>>41492034
> (and if you believe her fans she's still making the same money).
So her fans are calling her a liar? Because she's complained multiple times onstream that she's making way less money.

>>41485581
It would be the equivalent to my oshi Adriana Chechik quitting porn

>>41492084
Yes. They tend to claim she means things completely opposite of what she has said.

>>41491988
Well duh, you can't stream a firing. Also, February 24 was a very important day in history. (but somehow /vt/ still managed to be above /pol/ on 4stats over it, so I dunno)

>>41483977
Professional clip watcher here, nobody gives a fuck about Fubuki. Stop suggesting your obscure waifus have any impact.

>>41492034
There will be no dramatic material consequences if any individual leaves Hololive. They're just spokes on the wheel, and the wheel's gonna keep turning, and they understand that.

>>41492137
is that the girl who literally broke her back? funniest shit I've ever seen

>>41491791
That would be Marine, according to Mio's tarrot

>>41492207
You're retarded. Nobody cared about Rushia being fired. What the media cared about mafumafu having a girlfriend.
I bet you think Rushia was more relevant than mafumafu.

>>41492213
Fubuki's been pretty relevant in the stone age days of VTubing, like the Scatman meme. It'll be the equivalent of an athlete retiring at 45 (I loved them, but I didn't even know they were still going lmao)

>>41492260
Yeah, in bed with me

>>41484482
It was 490.

>>41490315
I dunno anon, JP audience has inclined a bit in the past 18 months but the EN audience has dispersed quite a bit. And Coco has uniquely situated to maximize both audiences with her role as the bridge between branches. I don't think any single talent can pull enough from both camps to surpass what Coco did. Some like Pekora and Marine will have bigger pull from JP crowd but they won't bring in nearly enough EN crowd to approach Coco.

That and Coco built up momentum with a month long farewell. So far we have only one had attempt to do similar with Sana but even she cracked and took a 2 week break before her big finale. I just don't see how what Coco did can be re-created. It had the magic of a moment that can really only happen once and all that follow will be pale imitators.

>>41492235
I mean I'll accept someone getting sued, losing their fanbase, or disappearing from the internet as material consequences anything less is a nothingburger

>>41492280
>Mio's tarot read for Marine was bad
QRD?

>>41492288
>You're retarded.
I can't believe you're using ableist slurs in the current year. I'm literally shaking and crying rn. I'm calling your mother

>>41492361
Epic own broski. You win.

>>41483977
Kanata reaches out and helps a lot of members when they need it most, I have a feeling her loss would be devastating.

>>41485039
I think an Aqua graduation would have hit ALOT harder in 2020 but she has nowhere near the impact these days.

>>41485299
>To the members, Fubuki or Marine. If they graduate and continue activities on the Internet in other ways, I expect bad things to come to Hololive as a whole.
Could you elaborate? Are we talking like them pulling a Coco and scalping talents they are friends with from Cover? Or something else you are alluding to?

>>41492235

>>41492409
Aqua or Fubuki graduating in 2020 BEFORE the chinkpocalypse would've been the biggest possible graduations, but the fanbase is too split for something like that to happen anymore

>>41488227
Not really, Hololive can survive without Gura. Now you might have a buyable argument if you meant the EN branch.

>>41492508
Probably mean the international attention to VTubing

>>41492496
Honestly imo the biggest impact graduation would have been if Mel decided to burn all bridges and take down Hololive/Cover legally over what happened with manager and Cover's limped dick response. She could have destroyed vtubing just as it was taking off and left fans with only Nijisanji and Indies / Small corportations as options. A world without Hololive would have the biggest impact, bar none.

>>41492591
You mean all the attention that goes to Ironmouse thanks to HoloEN doing fuck all in 2022?

>>41492720
fuck off Shojofag

>>41492710
Anon...nip companies bow on TV for overworking employees to death and go back to business as usual. A rogue manager molesting an independent contractor would be the nothingburger of all nothingburgers no matter how much noise Mel would've tried to make. It's sad but it cannot be overstated how little of a shit nips give about workplace misconduct

Fubuki. Her leaving would make Cover look real bad. Also Pekora, that would be gut punch.

>>41492148
None of us claim she's making the same money, sperg.
She's still making quite a bit of money.
Take your persecution complex about the fandead and shove it up your schizo ass

>>41492937
Why isn't she making the same money?

>>41492937
You claim she doesn't want to collab with men but then does it anyways. Then when she says she'll collab with anyone she wants you say she doesn't mean it like that.
Then you scan every single thread on the board to find anyone talking about her and raid them with your "bunker".

>>41483977
Korone's graduation would've had more impact in the past when she was at the forefront of hololive's relevance. Today she's not as much of a meme and while she still has a dedicated fanbase and people would be said, her graduation wouldn't have as much of an impact today as it would've a few years ago.

>>41492998
Why? Less viewers.
Mikeneko is an indie vtuber. She lost part of her audience the moment Cover fired her.
As for Nazuna, the JP side isn't embracing Twitch, so her view count is lower there than it should. And she barely streams on YouTube as Mikeneko for various reasons
Also, less merch opportunities than when she was with Hololive. It's pretty obvious stuff. That being said, someone said she made 10000 US dollars on her birthday stream, so she's still doing well

>>41493152
Actual schizophrenia. Tell me where on your body did the mean Fandead hurt you, babby. Eh? You can't just fling shit at a vtuber without someone contradicting you and now you're whining like a bitch?
Also, you clearly didn't watch her Nazuna stream yesterday.

>>41493365
How is it "actual schizophrenia" when you show up to every single thread mentioning Rushia in any capacity every single time?

>>41493388
Stop mentioning her and you won't have to deal with us
Why are you bringing up a vtuber who was terminated nearly a year ago?

>>41493388
You just admitted that you're also apparently in every thread where Rushia is mentioned. Or are you the one bringing her up?

>>41493324
That can't be true. Cover is just a leech that takes half the talents' money without providing any value. There's no way leaving Hololive would actually hurt talents or Coco wouldn't have done it willingly.

>>41483977

>>41493443
>us
And just like that you admit that you do raid these threads as a group.
Also I did not bring her up you fucking moron. Someone else did and you got massively triggered only once someone said her firing did not have any kind of impact on hololive.
Why are you sperging out at the replies and not at the first post that brought her up if that's what you're taking issue with?

>>41493472
>You just admitted that you're also apparently in every thread where Rushia is mentioned.
When? What I said is an exaggeration that's obviously not verifiable. Are you autistic? Do you not understand how real people use language?

Wait, were you so mad that you replied to the same post twice?

>>41483977
Normally I will say Pekora, but for this week it will be Suisei, because if she graduated right now the rrats will be eternal.

>>41493534
Firstly, Coco's situation always seemed like she was bothered by Cover's actual restrictions rather than anything to do with the money side
Secondly, Rushia's situation was different because she was terminated. Some of her antis are big Hololive fans who have convinced themselves that she "betrayed" the company or some other autistic shit. These were the people who were literally sperging out on Twitter when Mikeneko used a butterfly emoji

>>41493643
But she did betray the company. Why was she talking shit about hololive and asking korekore to put a spotlight on what she had said in the event that she might kill herself?

>>41492288
>Nobody cared about Rushia being fired
Holy revisionism. You holofags are so quick to dump your oshis when they don't fall in line with you.

>>41493620
No, I started replying when people started saying that
>the Fandead claim she's making the same amount of money as back in Hololive
I haven't seen anyone in our general claim this, so it's either some falseflagger saying it or an anti making it up. You're an anti, so I don't really care about your "opinion" on anything, but stop spreading misinfo

>>41493219
Thousands of KoRonin wandering around oshiless would still be a significant impact. Plus in those intervening years she's only become a bigger part of their lives.

>>41493691
>I don't care about what you say but stop saying it
lmao

>>41493717
I said your opinions. I don't care about your opinions.
I do care about you spreading lies. Spreading a lie isn't your opinion, it's anti behaviour
Stop being a fag

>>41493698
Did the Tatsunokos and Fandead stop watching Hololive? Serious question

>>41493738
You're the one spreading lies.

>>41493745
A lot of the Fandead seem to still watch Hololive. I'd say a small, but not insignificant amount stopped altogether, especially in their general.

>>41493745
They did.

>>41493783
Damn. HoloJP inclined this much after losing two of their biggest fanbases? Insane

>>41493673
I don't consider that as a "betrayal of the company".

>>41493698
Any updates on with her medical condition?

>>41493745
Not all, but some. I personally stopped watching, but you can always see some Hololive posting from their followers on Twitter.

>>41493815
Well...I suppose she didn't KyoAni the Cover office

>>41493745
I'm sure a non-zero number did, but in both of those cases they had a reincarnation to follow. I think if Korone graduates it'll be to leave v-tubing for health reasons. Probably the same would be true for Marine, come to think of it.

>>41492137
I keked so hard when she was filmed while she couldn't stand back up anymore after plunging in that pool.

>>41493870
If Korone graduates it will be because she finally won custody of her kid, and if Marine graduates it will be because she finally has a kid

>>41493815
Yeah, she was just setting up the entire destruction of it. Not betrayal when it's just.

>>41493861
She also didn't dox any of the Holo girls, which is something that antis were claiming for months. They're still claiming it here, too.
I guarantee someone will now start pushing the "she doxxed Flare" rrat or something just to spite me because her schizo antis here hate her fans just as much as they hate her.

>>41493906
>she was just setting up the entire destruction of it.
Not true either

>>41493814
>two of their biggest fanbases
Why are you even talking about them when you don't know a single fucking thing about them? They never had the biggest fanbases.

>>41493908
was the discord message from Mafu fake or not that's all the betrayal I'm interested in I don't give a fuck about Cover if she was playing with males behind our backs then she deserved everything she got and more

Tokino Sora the original holo
pekora fubuki most popular highest earning
or Gura the biggest vtuber of all
These would be the oh shit wtf is happening situation

>>41493828
No, but she's been more reasonable in her stream lengths and frequency so it seems like she's getting lots of healthy rest.

>>41493745
Fancucks are still annoying Pekora in her chat/ in marshmallows yes.

>>41493938
Then what was the purpose of those messages? Explain it.

>>41493965
There's nothing wrong with playing with male friends. Every fandead already knew she was friends with mafu.

>>41493989
Menhera venting. If that was November, it was around the time Cover refused to give her time off of work when her childhood cat died and she ended up having a massive mental breakdown. The idea that there was anything she could say that would have destroyed the company, or that this was her intention, is delusional. You clearly have no faith in Cover if you think something as insignificant as that would destroy them. Maybe you're just a Cover anti?

>>41494022
This is how mindbroken the fancucks have become...their "wife" is essentially no different from Towa and Laplus, this is the definition of putting lipstick on a pig

Botan. Imagine if botan leaves

Every time one of these threads pops up in the catalog I am reminded Rushia antis are the biggest faggots in the business. Move the fuck on.

>>41494068
Blaming her suicide on the company wouldn't destroy it? You're the one being delusional here.
>You clearly have no faith in Cover
Cool switcharoo but it has nothing to do with my belief in Cover's capabilities. It's just like fighting a false rape allegation from a woman, you can't win.

>>41483977
a few months ago i would've said gura but if she graduated now literally nothing would change desu

>>41491791
Gura and Laplus, probably.

>>41494177
>Blaming her suicide on the company wouldn't destroy it?
She wasn't blaming Cover for her suicidal ideation. She was already considering it long before November.
>random misognynist comment at the end
Oh, you're one of "those"

>>41494277
She was blaming Cover for it in those messages.
>misognynist
Not only are you some fucking freak, you can't even spell. Honestly it makes a lot of sense that a "person" like you would be a mikewhore fan.

>>41494328
You're anti-ing her for something she didn't do, while imagining that the scenario in which she did do it would play out to be a worst case scenario.
This is delusion within delusion. This is actual schizophrenia. This requires literal speculation and headcanon. Your brain goblins are arbitrarily deciding how much to hate her based on your fanfiction scenario that never happened.
As that one anon posted up there, move the fuck on. It's been a year

>>41494417
That's exactly what she did. You just excused her doing it by calling it "menhera venting" but completely ignored the fact that she was asking a massively popular drama news guys to share her messages.
Why did she have to talk to korekore? Why did she ask him to tell everyone about it? Her goal was to fuck over hololive.

>>41494485
>Her goal was to fuck over hololive.
Meds

>>41494505
Why did she tell korekore than her work is so bad she is going to kill herself? Why did she tell him to tell everyone about it?
Answer.
It's not "venting" when she's asking the biggest drama news guy.

>>41494653
We already know she said it and it had 0 impact on Cover at all.
Is this really what you've been anti-ing her over for the last year? Grow up, Christ almighty. I'm not going to reply to your next message, thanks in advance for the free (You)

>>41483977
Gura.

I don't like it watch her, but JP is stable enough where they can lose Pekora or Miko or Fubuki and still survive after locking their wounds. EN dies with Gura and if EN dies it means the company won't be as lucrative to investors and Cover does a slow death of stagnation.

>>41494781
It had zero impact because she didn't actually kill herself, retard.
Even her supposed actual suicide attempt was ignored by most people because hardly anyone believes what she says after so many suicide threats. All of that would change the moment she actually dies.
Is this really that hard for you to process?

>>41493219
There are not true meme girls in Hololive today. The attention has kinda waned, in 2020 it was all Fubuki, Korone, Pekora, Watame, at least in my recommended

>>41494068
>hiring girls that would have massive mental breakdowns over their cat dying
What could possibly go wrong?

>>41495179
Nothing. The management should have done the right thing and postponed her work.

>>41483977
Towa

>>41493534
The girls have collaborations with well-known Japanese companies, some of their merch often appears in convenience stores, some of them get solo concerts, and so on. They could hardly have any of that if they were indies.

>>41495223
It's not always possible to postpone everything, particularly when it's some work that involves other companies. You can't just go to your business partner and say that you're postponing the project because your cat died.

>>41495927
Yeah you can when it's your biggest moneymaker on the line.

>>41492763
Honestly hope ironmouse collabs with the hololive again just to see fags like you seethe

>>41494141
Doesn’t she have some sort of conditions? Would be seriously fucked up if she dies because of it

>>41493745
The thing about Korone is that literally no one compares to her. She is irreplaceable. Her niche appeal would be sort of like a hole that will never get filled when she inevitably leaves. Also considering her age when she graduates she likely won’t come back to streaming.
Most Fandeads and Tatsunokos found other similar oshis (GFE chuubas like Chloe on the former part and more “airheaded no-fucks-given” chuubas like Mori on the latter part) while still following their oshis on the outside.

>anons actually saying Gura
she's already soft graduated and nothing happened, not even to the EN branch. And even if her departure did as much as killing HoloEN, that wouldn't affect Hololive as a whole that much

It really does depend on the context.

Lets say Fubuki finds the man of her life, and decides its time to retire so she can be with him. There will be some butthurt unicorns, but for the most part people will be happy for her, since this is more or less a happy thing to graduate over, and you'd better believe that she will receive the coco treatment and get a month long celebration.

On the other hand, lets say Marine is dumb and works herself till she breaks, so she holds a 8 hour long final Kaerokie where she breaks her throat for good, and gives you a crying horse goodbye at the end of it, then quietly retires the very next day.

The Marine retirement would be far more impactful, since you never really would know why she flipped her shit and quit, and its far more dramatic than the Fubuki graduation, and people eat that up.

>>41496644
I can make the exact same argument for Marine.

>Lets say Fubuki finds the man of her life
do not tell him

>>41496899
not really, Marine's graduation could affect some holos. Not the case of Gura since nobody cares about her

It's got to be one of the pillars like Pekora, Korone or Fubuki or something. That'd start a cascade effect, it'd shatter the magic fully. For me, it'd be Miko. I discovered a dumb clip of her in early 2020 and I have watched her ever since, even doing my reps with some success. If she was gone, I'd have little reason to stick around, because it'd just feel like the space she was once in, but I do feel like that for most of the original JP members.

>>41492280
Hi Marineschizo and no, it's not happening

>>41484954
>She is the protagonist of Hololive, after all.
Before maybe, not so much anymore.

>>41491791
If my coin landed on heads, surely it will land on tails next.

What if Kobo graduated?

>>41496907
about me

>>41483977
Fubuki

>>41490569
yeah and basically nothing more happened

>>41484954
>She is the protagonist of Hololive, after all.
that's sora not miko

>>41499262
>and nothing of value was lost

>>41483977
Mori. Vtubing would improve.

>>41499852
If Hololive were a fantasy story, Sora would be a princess or some kind of deity. In a school setting, she'd be the superintendent's daughter. An important figure in the setting, but not anything like a main character (if you want to story to be good/popular that is). However, if this were a harem anime, she could be the generic childhood friend who eventually wins the MC.

>>41483977
read my words and read them well
a holo graduation can pass over without incident, but if it ever happens to a phaseconnect member, there will be casualties

>>41500362
The company would collapse in popularity without Pippa and would collapse internally without Tenma. The rest are individually negligible.

Coco and Rushia proved that Hololive will endure any graduation. It's sad for a while but people will just find other streams to watch.

>>41499852
Indonesia would descend into mass riots, but sure, nothing would happen

>>41500702
I’d believe you if this was for risu or moona

>>41500212
meant for >>41499842

>>41483977
Maybe one year ago Fubuki and Korone wojld have been like a HUGE fucking deal
But there are so many zoomers and casuals now who don't really know who they are

I think Gura is the obvious answer, to the point where vtubing would kinda die in the west, for a little while

>>41500212
nah she's the protagonist

>>41501378
Miko is the protagonist of Hololive.

>>41501217
Gura is basically graduated at this point and things are pretty much the same except for HoloEN reclining

>>41501217
Gura doesn't even stream anymore. She's borderline graduated already.

>>41501217
my man gura is basically western ayame she barely streams hell at this people would care more about ina graduating than gura

Sora or Suisei would signal something on a very macro level with Cover, Sora being the OG and Suisei, I assume, keeping her name and character still. Otherwise, it would probably be either Fubuki, Korone, Marine and Pekora that would have the biggest impact.

Okayu leaving would cause me to kill myself.

>>41501807
same but with korone

Vesper's graduation will cause a domino effect that will topple the whole company

>>41501609
>keeping her name and character still
how would this work model-wise? i mean iirc she owns her first model because she made it but aren’t the new models&redesign property of cover?

>>41483977
EN: Gura. Some anons are underestimating how important gura is. When she actually does stream shes holoEN's biggest stream and she is very popular for marketing in japan. You'll find random ads starring gura. 4million subs is also a good number to flex for cover.
JP: Sora, Pekora, Miko, fubuki, marine, suisei.
ID: should be kobo but her numbers make no sense. She almost has 2million subs but gets 5-7k average ccv and sub 200k views on vods. Makes me wonder if IDs even care to show up? ill just say moona for legacy.

>>41501427
nah sora is

>>41483977
Gura, because it would mean HoloEN is dead.
JP has so many great holos, than even graduation of one of big names wouldn't hurt them that much. That's not a case with EN.

The day Subaru leaves is the day I’m certain Hololive is about to abruptly go under and something major has happened behind the scenes.

>>41483977
Screw company impact, here's my tiers of how would their graduation impact me:
Shock/despair: Mumei, Watame, Pekora, Korone
Sadness: Zeta, Fauna, Gura, Ame, IRyS, Bae, Fubuki, Aqua, Luna, Nene, Miko, Ina, Reine
Salute/Pay respects: AZKi, Chloe, Roboco, Kobo, Polka, Shion, Anya, Subaru, Okayu, Kanata, Risu, Moona
Can't say I'd care: The rest

>>41501427
Without Sora there wouldn't even be any Hololive to speak of. She is the OG, the source of it all. Sora is the protagonist of Hololive.

>>41503757
Dumb debate. There is no protagonist, the company is bigger than any talent. It's like saying WWE had a singular protagonist.

>>41503942
say that to all the 35p who keep going around saying miko is the protagonist of hololive

>>41504096
She's just the first ever African-American member of Hololive

>>41504096
If she wasn't the protagonist, why was she the final act of the hololive 2023 countdown?

>>41504257
if she's the protagonist then why isn't she always at the center instead of sora?

>>41503092
>Gura, because it would mean HoloEN is dead.
It wouldn't destroy holoEN but it would mark a turning point where the decline would get worse. A lot of holoEN fans would start watching other vtuber groups and it would cause at least one additional graduation before the end of the year.

>>41502874
>Some anons are underestimating how important gura is.
she's been gone for more than half a year and HoloEN still exists

>>41483977
Mori's absence would leave the biggest crater in vtubing

>>41483977
What did Korone mean by this?

Depends on the circumstances.
Could you imagine if Gura came on stream and went on a rant about how much she hates Cover, told her fans to go kill themselves and just unloaded on the entirety of HoloEN until management realised what was going on and cut the stream?
THAT would have a huge impact.

But if she just graduated like Sana or Coco?
Wouldn't have as much an impact. It'd still be fairly hefty but not that big a deal.
It all comes down to the why.

>>41504514
hey now anon we don’t fat-shame RM’s here

>>41504562
That the everyday life you take for granted will one day crumble.

>>41483977
Sora hands down.

>>41492357
https://youtu.be/hVF-VvtnAfU?t=2214

>>41504605
>Could you imagine if Gura came on stream and went on a rant about how much she hates Cover, told her fans to go kill themselves and just unloaded on the entirety of HoloEN until management realised what was going on and cut the stream?
If the plan is to pay the company for damages for the rest of her life, she should try it.

>>41504562
All these moments will be lost...like tears in the rain...

>>41504477
I think LiveEN would collapse if Ame left.
As it stands they still lean on her heavily for tech support. And they're basically having no events this year because Ame decided to step back on that front (probably because she's not getting much return on them)

>>41504833
She could just refuse to involve herself in the legal proceedings. So long as she decides to never go to Japan or have any assets outside the US.
She's a US citizen and the USA doesn't extradite its citizens or cooperate in imposing the judgements of foreign courts.

>>41504934
Are you sure they are contractors to the Japanese company and not some child limited company in the US? They could easily sue through that and include damages to the parent company.

>>41502869
Worse case scenario she'd commission a new one that looks similar

Sora, pretty much.
If Sora quits it just means that Hololive is not Hololive anymore, so the rest of the company would eventually crumble into nothingness

>>41492280
or korone

>>41505217
I can't see Cover being smart enough in its foreign dealings to do something like that.
Plus we have no records of such a company. If it exists, Cover has never mentioned it and nobody has found it.
And considering EN is not entirely located in the USA? You really see them setting up such companies in every country they hire in?
Canada, South Korea, Australia, Germany, USA and I think theres at least one more.
It's more likely they're doing a more typical international direct hiring scheme. In these circumstances the contract will state which company the contract is in for legal purposes such as employment law, which is generally the one most advantageous or convenient to the employer. In this case that's probably gonna be Japan, simply because thats convenient for Cover, Japanese autism, ease of acquisition for working visas and foreign workers having limited rights in Japan.

Which puts Cover in the position that their US based talents are basically untouchable in regards to legal consequences so long as they don't have any assets outside the USA and no plans to visit Japan ever again.
And of course so long as those talents don't make the mistake of engaging with the legal proceedings in Japan.
The USA has a long history of blocking foreign criminal and civil suits against their citizens. Even in regards to Japan where there have been multiple cases of US soldiers committing numerous crimes (smuggling, theft, rape and even murder) then escaping any legal consequences by just getting back to the US military bases in Japan before the Japanese police can catch them. Sometimes the US military has opted to dishonourably discharge those individuals, but usually they don't give a shit.
There was a recent case in the UK where the spouse of a US defence worker killed a British citizen by running them over, fled the country on the advice of and with the aid of the US government and the USA has consistently refused to extradite them and advised them against engaging with the legal proceedings in the UK.

So Gura and Ame could easily avoid any and all legal consequences for any actions they took in regards to Cover.

>>41504480
Thats not my point. HoloEN will still exist but they don't pull the viewership or relevancy without gura.

Miko.

Miko can easy take the place of pekora, but pekora can't be the content/collab maker miko is.
Fubuki do not really matter, she's almost a debuff for holojp cuz of her star support.
Korone and marine are tired and leaving the spotlight.

>>41502473
Okayu leaving would lead to Korone also leaving.

>>41508620
>Miko can easy take the place of pekora, but pekora can't be the content/collab maker miko is.
More like was. She doesn't really do this that much anymore. She mostly hangs out with Shiraken now.

Why would Fubuki graduating mean such a bad thing for Cover? I'm seeing it everywhere in this thread

>>41509613
Do your reps

>>41509613
How new?

>>41509613
She's not on the same level as every other member. Her graduation would mean that the company itself is falling apart on the inside, but given the things she promotes it could also be a good thing that she leaves. In either case it would have the biggest impact on hololive no matter what.

>>41483977
For me personally? Kronii because she's probably one of the best in giving personal care to her fans and I know I won't get that type of attention from anyone other corpo vtuber.

>>41509962
Anon her promoting the stars is really not that big of a deal.

>>41510093
>Kronii because she's probably one of the best in giving personal care to her fans

>>41510125
It's not just stars. She also has tried to prop up Laplus again after she lost popularity in an attempt to keep the holoX investments from going to waste.
Anything that lines up with Cover's general interests will also be promoted by Fubuki.
I'm not even saying I dislike her doing it (my opinion doesn't matter at all), I'm just saying if she graduates it signals a certain part of the company going away.

>>41510177
>He lacks the vital knowledge

>>41510665
Based Dubai anon

>>41483977
Gura, HoloJP can survive any graduation at this point.

>>41493745
Who's feeding the orca then?

>>41483977
Gura i dont even watch hololive anymore

>>41494417
This is pretty true not just for this guy but a lot of antis in here. The opacity of the industry and the language barrier is a breeding ground for delusions over delusions.
We're kinda lucky that these people don't understand the shit that people say on the Japanese side because it's not better, just different targets (like for example Korone)

>>41509613
it's just anon exaggerated shit, Fubuki once said people can trust Hololive as long as she still there, it's just a words and let's say if she leaves on bad term but Sora still there and making a statement against her (assuming Fubuki shit talking Hololive after she left) as long as it's words vs words i will believe Sora all day

Marine.

>>41484818
Gura would only kill Holo EN.

>>41513979
I keep reading this and I don't get it. Yeah she's the most popular and shit but her leaving would make no difference. HoloEN is now closer to HoloID in numbers woah big deal. Nobody in HoloEn would miss her that much except maybe Fauna for about a week

>>41514471
This. The only ones who believe Gura leaving would be the end of HoloEN or Hololive as a whole are delusional chumpedos. Gura does bring in a lot of money, especially with merch, but that's about it.
Gura is halfway, if not more, out the door already and has been away for a while now. How has that affected Hololive at all thus far? She barely streamed or did anything before her break anyway so not at all. Things just keep moving as usual, and it will keep doing this after she actually graduates too.

>>41483977
gura

>>41515929
There's no single graduation that would mean the end of hololive, gura graduating would probably have the biggest cultural impact though since it would also take into account normies who don't even watch, maybe next to korone who would be the frontrunner if you excluded normies. Those are probably the only two that would make waves through the broader internet. It'd be like disney retiring mickey mouse as their mascot. He's barely used anymore and doesn't have a large dedicated audience, but people from boomers to children would react to the news. Logistically fubuki would probably have the biggest impact on hololive due to being tied to so many other talents and doing work behind the scenes.
However, none of that matters because the only metric that matters is which would make Watame the saddest and my underdog prediction would be Fauna since Sana already happened and Fauna is basically Watame's EN oshi

>>41525914
Headlines are for fags and the thing that Holo might lose is the normie audience in the EN sphere. I don't think there's someone who does quite what Gura does for the casual viewer in EN so I don't see any of them really moving on to other Holos. My guess is they'd jump to VShojo if they were looking for more vtuber stuff because Mouse is pretty 'known'. The rest of the hardcore viewers would probably move on to someone like Fauna or go off to NijiEN for someone like Laugh Dragon.

>>41513979
Which is more than any other will do. HoloJP has so many great holos that even if one of them graduate, it wouldn't hurt them that much as a whole.

>>41483977
suisei or mori

>>41484100
>41484100
What's there to dislike about Miko? Serious question.

>>41527246
Why would anyone say Mori? I'm being serious. I know she has a contract with UMG or whatever, but she's still overshadowed in the bigger scope by Gura in the EN sphere. Mori's streaming has fallen off in terms of attention and the same thing happened to her music. It's not off a cliff, but it's shrunk a bit.
Gura on the other had is the most 'known' EN vtuber and if cons are anything to go by, Gura has by far the biggest representation in both cosplaying and the artist alley. The reason artist alley matter so much is that if you bring shit that's less popular to sell, you're taking risks on having unsold goods. Sometimes it's fine, but the vtuber shit I see at booths that don't have a decent chunk of vtuber stuff is always Gura, meaning that shit moves.

>>41483977
Pekora is the most imitated member in Hololive. Lots of other holomems did her iconic laugh or tried to impersonate as her as a joke. She was also the biggest gateway to Hololive during the pandemic, especially for EOP's. Children and women watch her on top of the usual men. Her troll antics are the most recognizable moments in Hololive. I could almost swear that my recommended page was once filled up with NijiJP and other JP vtubers but there'd be a corner where there's a Pekora video. Then Pekora clips were all I saw on my recommended page during 2020.
If Pekora's gone, Hololive would still have Marine, Subaru and Korone for big numbers, and they'd still be a company with good talents and entertainment; but to most people Hololive would be "gone". 2020 Pekora was vtubing itself. 2020 Pekora was Hololive. For many, that never changed.

>>41531862
Eh, I know it was late 2020, but as a person who had never watched any vtuber prior, I was getting Korone shoved at me from the algorithm and saw her videos in my recc sidebar pretty frequently, so I'd say there's a little bit of that too for the worldwide recognition.

>>41503636
Maybe not go under, but it's definitely how the OVA would end. The virtual idol story of Subaru would be the Japanese 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit' of hybrid films if put in the right hands.

>>41483977
Amelia Watson. Her leaving would kneecap EN tech and stream ideas. ID would also be indrectly affected since she also does a lot of their 3D stuff.

>>41532697
>Stream ideas
Sorry friend, Ame stepped back from the EN ideas girl. Kiara's been the new ideas girl for the last 6 months.

>>41532853
name one orginal stream idea Kiara has had in the last 6 months. All of them were derived from something Ame did first.

>>41532130
Yeah, I'd say Pekora has been more important for the JP audience at that time. On the EN side, Korone, Miko and Coco were probably the most recognized members for most of 2020, at least until the PekoMoon arc.

>>41484954
>Although Suisei doesn't take much from being in Hololive
Are you serious? Her whole career was made from this and if she didn't got by chance in a subsidiary there's like 90% she would still be a 3 views.

>>41528313
>Why would anyone say Mori?
OP never specified if the impact would be a positive or negative -- just the biggest.

>>41484538
>anya graduates due to a relationship that goes public
>spins it as being graduated for stabbing someone by hugging them

>>41533436
Even then, now that she's calmed down on her outsider friends talk on stream/trying to make shit work with them (who would have guessed they disappeared when her numbers cooled off), there's really not too much beyond some retards here who would scream "WE WON" like they did anything if she actually left.

>>41505257
I think that the day she graduates is to do her thing irl, not to go back to being indie.

Many people in this thread both confusing popularity with real impact and have delusions about the importance of their oshis too. In fact, the Holo ship will always keep floating unless there's either a number of high profile graduations very close in time or if that graduations find their way as indies breaking the hololive walled garden.
Also, i'm so sorry but as much as she's the normies numberfag queen the rabbit isn't as important to the company in both innovation or connections with other chuubas. In general terms she's just a very average type streamer that bandwagons any popular trend.
It's just a question of time they would find someone else to fill that spot.

Kiara graduating would be a morale blow because you'd have to pry Hololive from her cold dead hands before she'd leave willingly

>>41532853
EN is doomed, then.

>>41534090
ogey

>>41483977
You posted her.

>>41534090
You are severely underestimating the role Pekora had in establishing the holobox and enriching it by keeping it fed with tourists ready to be turned into holofans. She historically lacked in other areas like interpersonal relations and idolshit in general, nobody is saying she's the ideal holomem (I'd probably put Miko or FBK above her in that regard), but she's pretty much the ideal streamer. A big part of Hololive's healthy streaming culture has been influenced by her and her streaming habits, and that's the bread and butter of any holomem. I'd say that easily makes her one of the most important contributors to Hololive.