/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>41462342
Let's see her after hololive.
>another ass 'accidentally' on cam te he~
Pathetic.

She seems more happy being a twitch cam whore ngl.

>>41462342
she joined to sex them all
>but she never sexed her sex friends
same-looking puzzles don't match each other

>>41462342
Her humor works better in hololive because of the juxtaposition of being an idol, but being kinda crass. Her humor worked better when she was among members who tried to keep that image. In VShojo she's just another member who says dirty jokes, there's not much comedy dynamic going there.

>>41462342
Hololive would not explode in popularity without her since she is the reason why HololiveEN exists. And consequently there wouldn’t be a /vt/ if HoloEN didn’t exist.

>>41462342
A bunch of other girls aren't a good fit for Hololive either:
Matsuri
Noel
Towa
All of EN except Fauna and Gura
All of ID

>>41462342
in hindsight that avatar was really good.

>>41463396
Her first Live2D model was kinda bad, but her 3D and the other Live2D models were much better.

>>41463328
This. The redditdragon is solely responsible for the degradation of the hobby.

>>41462342
Neither is 75% of HoloEN

>>41463619
>degradation of the hobby.
HoloJP is still mostly the same.

>>41462342
Savior of Hololive.
(You) should go back to your farm.

>>41462342
Retard, she's only a bad fit for nu-hololive, which exists entirely as a reaction to her. She was perfectly in line with the company back when it had a soul

>>41462342
They all loved her, so clearly you're wrong.

>>41463363
Why Towa? She’s a great singer and entertainer.

>>41462342
>She wasn't a good fit for Hololive
Perhaps not, but for the time she was there, she made a damned good showing of it. By their own telling, even the Holomem who are "a good fit" enjoyed the time they spent with her. Does that change anything? I don't really know how to score that.

>>41463328
>>41463619
Adding nuance on 4chan is a losing game, but I feel like trying. Coco was my oshi, but it's dishonest to say "{{big, industry-wide thing}} is all because of her!", whether good or bad. Nothing in an industry as large as vtubing is monocausal. Even movements and changes within a single medium sized company will have multiple causes. She was incredibly influential, no doubt. We'll never know the full story, but she contributed to Hololive's early dominance with the overseas audience (contributed, but did not solely cause).
Some people don't like her? Or don't like what they perceive her influence as having been? Fine, but they won't deny she was influential.

>>41463363
The fact they're all in Hololive means your perception of Hololive is wrong

>>41465077
onicorns don't like me to play apex with men

>>41462760
>>41463074
get rid of your own whores before calling others whores.

>>41464180
I pity those newfags who want so desperately to fit in, they never had the chance to watch the best hololive September 2019 - July 2020

>>41467206
That period was peak newfag already though

>>41468565
>the peak of Hololive attracted a lot of new viewers
that's crazy bro

>>41463363
Oddly enough, Noel, Towa, Fauna and Gura are my 4 favorite Holos, with Nene rounding out my top 5.

i suspect coco/kson just wanted the freedom to do irl streams and to collab with anyone she well wants to. holo keeps their talent constrained to their own little circle.

>>41468743
Hey don't get girlbrain snarky with me, it's just funny that the old tourists get to call others newfags now.

>>41462342
Hololive made her better than how she normally is, that's the power of actually-good / focused management.

also this >>41463912
hell 75% of HoloEN management isn't a good fit for working at Cover Corp either. at LEAST 75%, probably "almost all of it" at this point.

>>41468941
She already was doing IRL streams. She just wasn't having fun under the new restrictions and felt like it made her streams not fun.

what is the criteria for being fit for covercorp anyway?

>>41469445
Knowing someone at covercorp.

>>41469167
That's how it goes. I was on this site in 2007 and people then talked about oldfags who were there for two whole years since 2005. Now people who are young enough to be my grandchildren are called oldfags.

>>41462342
not being a good fit unironically made her stand out and get popular. she was a good dichotomy split from a regular member. thats why she had success

no i am not discussing k*on, fuck off.

>>41470141
kson on her own is still massively popular

>>41469910
i wonder if there's a lot of nepotism going on there. not that that would make it different to any other company in any other field

>>41469925
True, it's just that the oldfags in this case are like people who got into a book series or something by skipping the first three and starting with the last, but they're now also the main audience.

>>41470666
Your shitty analogy also applies to the regular normalfags he's talking about.

>>41470141
This, a retarded foul mouthed comedian in a movie among a group is a great character

A retarded foul mouthed comedian among other retarded foul mouthed comedians is no longer a great character.

>>41471221
>A retarded foul mouthed comedian among other retarded foul mouthed comedians is no longer a great character.
you can apply this for about 10 actors

>>41471221
>A retarded foul mouthed comedian among other retarded foul mouthed comedians is no longer a great character.
Ask me how I know your only awareness of Kson's streams comes from the /vt/ catalog.

>>41462342
She made them tons of cash seems like a good fit to me. Stop being butt hurt about her signing with vshojo. When yagoo did everything in power to make her quit because he was afraid of inferior bugmen.

>>41472226
when thats the only presentation you show of yourself...

>>41471221
More like Kson is kinda sad people don’t tune in to watch her RL flesh streamer self.
She even mentioned it during streams, her joining Vshoujo seems like a big midlife crisis.

I mean what other reason would someone with her goodwill join a corpo for groomers and whores?
Outside of Nazuna, everyone in this corpo is an E-thot.

>>41471221
Do you even know how much interaction he has had with the other vsj's?
only ignorant retards keep repeating that shitty argument.

>>41462342
her tits were too small

>>41472226
>>41472416
I don't watch kson or Vshojo because I don't like the whores (melody and mouse are tolerable, I guess) so don't take my opinion too seriously

>>41472392
lmao what'd she do to you?

>>41470742
Broadly, sure. It's pretty specific and makes more sense if you were around for the old threads before the clipboom though.

>>41472392
rushia didn't deserve to join there

>>41472392
>Kson is kinda sad people don’t tune in to watch her RL flesh streamer self
>She even mentioned it during streams
Her IRL streams get more viewers, and no she did not say that, it's literally the opposite of reality.

>>41472468
>seething about something I don't know
are you bored anon? your oshi not streaming or something?

>>41472558
She dared signed with vshojo with out my consent reeeee!

>>41464180
nah, it's not about erolive but more the contrast in culture because she is more western so yes she was badly fit but doesn't necessarily mean bad for Hololive because she bring contrast and it's the reason she stand out in the first place

>>41464180
she still stuck out because she's not fully japanese, and she spoke english. that too was a big draw. forget erolive.

>>41471221
>among other retarded foul mouthed comedians
You seem EOP and wouldn't watch her anyway, but just in case you want some data on who she is "among":
Kson has an informal group of mostly JP vtubers known as "Kson Friends" (again: informally) that she collabs with the most frequently. Pic related. They have their own Minecraft Server and ARK Server that VShojo don't use. I did a quick count of collabs since Kson joined VShojo (so since July). I am working from old schedules for Twitch streams, and a few YT collabs that were not on her channel. I also am excluding collab shorts and IRL-only collabs. I counted...

4 collabs with VShojo (excluding Nazuna).
2 appearances at a VShojo event, e.g. the "afterparty" clip of the Iron Mouse concert.
13 collabs with Kson Friends (excluding Nazuna), probably missing a few not on Kson's channel.
5 collabs with Nazuna, might have missed some that were on Twitch.
A few collabs with other vtubers/streamers that don't fall into either bucket.

So no matter how you want to count Nazuna (as a "foul mouthed comedian" or not), Kson is far more involved in collabing with a mix of indie, or small corpo, JP vtubers than with VShojo.

>>41474223
one image faggot

>>41473784
>she is more western
She literally talked about Japanese culture more than anyone else there, it's why so many salarymen were attracted to her. She was one of few working adults in a company of mostly zoomers.

ctrl+F "Asacoco" 0 results found
The fuck is this topic

>>41465888
This

>>41472297
>when thats the only presentation you show of yourself
t. Catalog reader EOP newfag.

>>41478025
nah, i just dont care.

>>41478188
you care enough to have it rent-free in your head.
the fact that you keep answering proves it ,schizochama

>>41478912
rent free or just me stating my opinion?

>>41479058
You aren't allowed to have an opinion on things you are ignorant of due to you not watching them. It's completely illogical.

>>41464042
>mostly the same
ahhh let's see
>aqua doesnt stream
>shion doesnt stream
>marine doesnt stream
Yes, the same.

>>41484441
I don't think you understand the context, anon

I FUCKING LOVED THIS BITCH.

>>41474223
Then why DID she join VShojo, the company nobody asked her to join? I just don't get it. Did she take the fall just so Nazuna would have Vitamin B upon joining?

>>41490337
She is a proponent of the idea of talent owning their own brand and wants to popularize the idea. She also benefits from the support that they provide. She literally did a whole stream explaining her reasoning.

>>41490337
VShojo can help in some of the things she needed help with (merch producers, venues and 3D tech), and doesn't try to micromanage her identity or brand. She had already been friends with Melody and Iron Mouse, but the overall style or "reputation" of the VShojo EN talents on places like /vt/ doesn't seem to be on her radar. She still hasn't interacted with Nyanners, Veibae, or Silvervale much, if at all?

>>41490337
I've always seen the
>she only joined for Mikeneko's sake
line of reasoning as being massive cope. Besides, if you had to pick between either Kson or Nazuna benefiting from being part of VShojo, Kson is by far and away the one benefitting more. And no, I don't mean this in a insulting way

>>41490337
>why DID she join VShojo
Because of their business model?
Are there any other agency (at that time) that would allow her to do whatever she's doing right now?
Do you have any recommendation, anon?
Also, they don't blacklist her and they can provide support for her activities.
Maybe you don't like some of their other members, but if you put that aside, it doesn't sound that bad.

It says a lot when the person responsible for Hololive having sustained popularity overseas and was constantly pushing the boundaries of what content is acceptable is deemed a 'bad fit' for the permissions black hole Hololive actually is.

she's too honest and too nice for the shitheap that is the japanese entertainment industry