/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I just want people to pay me for one.

>>412220
Nice, hopefully this thread gets some attention. Alternatively you can always fold it into /aud/ for the chance to get some eyeballs on this thing.

>gimp
>easy to use
try drawing a circle

>>412369
No art programs going to hold your hand you have to have some talent yourself

green is my pepper is not a good art program, use krita or pirate photoshop or whatever else

>>412369
>>412422
Haven't used it for a long time but remembered it not being too bad, I'll change it for the next op if there is one.

>>412220
I was looking for something like this. I've been interested in Live2d myself not just for making an avatar, but got stuck in the process so hopefully this will make it clearer for me

>>412220
I'd replace Sai with CSP since everyone using Sai has. (or just add CSP)

>>412403
talent to draw a circle

>>412369
You don't need a circle stencil to draw a anime girl.

>>412512
you don't need gimp, you can just draw on paper

>>412369
Not him, but GIMP is an editing program, not a drawing one. It also has a lot less options than Photoshop, so you gotta get creative if you wanna do the same shit.
On the plus side, it's free, it's light and there's a lot of tutorials for it. It's the only way I was able to do my model before importing it to Live2d because my computer with 4gb ram refuse to cooperate with any other editing programs.

That reminds me, Live2d is free. You can use the free version that limits the canvas size (which might not be an issue if you're not doing a big rig), and you can always use the free 40 days trial of Live2d pro if your model has too many parts for the free version canvas. Just be sure to know how to use the program at that point, since you'll be against the clock at that point.
Or if you need more time, you can always delete it and redownload it for another 40 days of premium trial.

>>412582
>Live2d because my computer with 4gb
Are you me? Also pirate SAI it works perfectly.

>>412552
Yes yes, very sardonic and clever, however you can't separate paper drawings into layers and export as a psd.

>>412611
Not with that attitude you can't

How much does a 2d model run you these days anyway?

>>412644
Haven't looked into it myself but I saw someone in another thread say theirs was ~ $400

>>412369
>drag and hold while holding ctr with the circle select tool
>hit ctrl comma to fill the selection
>shrink your selection by a few pixels
>hit delete to erase
there, ez pz

>>412606
If your computer exploded last week from trying to force it to stream and emulates a PS1 game at the same time, then yes.
The only thing blocking my road to fame now is not having a computer and poverty in general, but if there's a will, there's a way. Too bad that way is actually getting a job.

>>412582
>Live2d is free
it is but has no features
https://www.live2d.com/en/comparison/

>>412893
in photoshop
>drag your mouse while holding left click
there

>>412996
It's free if you know where to look

>>413041
fair point

Can I use Paint.NET?

>>413928
You can use whatever you want, as long as you can export the finished product into a .psd file to use it on Live2d later.

>>413977
Thank you for the response o7

is it possible to make an avatar in a pixel art style or would it look absolute horrible with the transformation/distortions the software applies to the image(s)?

>>414146
No harm in trying but I think for that separate pixel animations that you have mapped and play when needed would be best since the smooth motion of L2D stuff may look weird, also like you said the deformation would change the size of the pixels and they wouldn't be the same size anymore.

>>412220
Nice, this is a must topic for this board. Hopefully anon keep making daily general and paste bin to follow, kind of like /djt/ for /jp/.

>>414146
>>414194
It would be pretty baller if there's a compromise where the eyes go to preset positions based on the closest coordinates yours go to to emulate that oldschool appeal.

>>414146
Time to figure it out anon

>>412369
it's a picture editor you retard

We need a FOSS vtubing pipeline.

>>412369
if you cant draw a circle your a fucking idiot

>>412220
>GIMP
art in GIMP is absolute hell, if you're gonna suggest FOSS then I'd go with Krita instead.

>>414522
Read the thread >>412450

>>414516
https://youtu.be/K5NLG4MtJ10?t=1240
it's not about being smart, it's about gimp being shit for drawing

>>414621
it is however good for photo manipulation and stuff like thumbnails

>>414514
UOOOHHHH TUMMY EROTIC

>>514748
UOOOOOOH

>>414514
Stop being lazy and take to the seven seas

>>412369
>>412582
Krita is the superior FOSS drawing tool

>>412582
Krita is basically the "free" alternative to SAI/CSP, but it has some very weird masking rules and is bad at memory handling. it has a bigger default brush library than CSP to be fair.

>>418533
It's not about money or laziness, it's about principles.

>>419313
If you have ever wondered how to properly rig a model, then you need to watch Pigeon Child. He is an artist and rigger who streams his process. He tends to take commissions for non-cutesy models that fit horror, heavy metal, or occult themes.

>>412220
>Capture options:
Don't forget VSeeFace! If I remember correctly, it was developed by and for virtual streamers.

>>412327
Show your work.

>>412403
M.S. Paint has a circle tool.

>>412552
I want to see a model with a paper-like texture. Maybe someone could make a construction paper avatar. It would bring back that old South Park nostalgia.

>>414146
I desperately want to see one done in the old PC-98 style.

>>414514
>We need a FOSS vtubing pipeline.
I agree. We need the entire process covered from art all the way to streaming (and maybe even tips/donations).

>>414146
Render the avatar in native resolution, then scale up the captured window in the streaming software

None of these resources will solve the issue of you needing to be a girl.

>>412220
Just make a custom character in a video game and rig that

>>420397
^ FOSS will never make you a girl nor will it make you an interesting personality and that's the truth

>>414543
no

>>414146
I think the ideal method to make this look as least horrifying as possible (and without cobbling together a ton of hand made animations) is tracking your face to a 3d model instead and run it through a realtime rendering pipeline that downscales, aliases, quantizes, dithers etc. everything down to something like pic related. Wish I had a better example on hand than this pokemon stuff here cause I've seen some anime MVs do that same sort of technique. I just can't for the life of me find it anywhere anymore.

You could probably try to run a live2d setup through a similar pipeline maybe but idk if it'd look any good.

>>420496
yeah but who needs any of that when you can just clown on Twitter by engaging in ENVtuber drama while eternally postponing your debut

>>420767
I hadn't thought of that but I think it'd work well, even with a 2D model

>>419347
This

Imagine a very simple stick figure drawing. How long would it take to rig it in live2d if I absolutely don't know how?

>>423565
About three hours going in blind.

>>423565
Depends what you want it to do but if you wanted it to blink, look around and talk maybe 2-5 hours depending on how many fuckups you make.

>>419929
The OP only has 2D resources for now, but VSeeFace is definitely something OP should take note of for when they add 3D resources.

>>412220
bumping this thread with interest and support. While we're here, tell me about your ideas for your vtuber avatars/characters.

Mine was a techpriest from Warhammer 40k. One idea was that instead of facial animations (since most of the face would be obscured by a hood and tech implants) mood would be conveyed through eye augment light color changes (things like red for mad, yellow for afraid) and aperture slides shifting on the situation. And of course voice work.

>>423992
That sounds great. I'm still working out her character more but I've drawn her and am in the process of rigging so this thread is great for me. She's a polar bear princess who's trying to get more eyes on her country because she wants better wifi (my wifi's too shit to stream so I can only upload premade videos so I wanted to work it into her kayfabe)

>>414146
>is it possible to make an avatar in a pixel art style
Yes

wips?

I just had a genius idea for budget Vtubing:
what if instead of using facial tracking technology, you were to just puppeteer and actual, physical cardboard cutout of your character?
You could then wear one of those green screen suit combined with a regular greens screen to simply key yourself out to be complete invisible .
the various facial features could be controlled by physical sliding and rotation them along joint and tracks, the mouth could be changed by rotation a multi-sided cylinder with various mouths painted on each side and the limb can simply posed with rotating hinges.
You'd be surprised how expressive you can get with just some simple movements.
It's basically just an analog version of what the software does.
webm related, a mock-up I spent an embarrassing amount of time on

>>426170
If I ever saw this appear on my tv screen, I might kill myself on the spot

>>426170
There's a Japanese guy on twitter doing exactly that with cute designs but I don't remember his name.

>>423992
literally just a dog

>>426170
This sounds so retarded it might work.

>>426170
I really like this idea, wouldn't have the patience to do it but good luc if you try it. The only problem I could see is you wouldn't be able to do anything with your hands like play vidja unless you got it working with foot pedals or something.

>>426170
I'll take this one step further and suggest a sock puppet.

>>426341
Actual dog or humanoid dog?

>>426467
Actual dog, like Kuroi Inu, but done in a felt style

>>426492
>>426467
Kuroi Shiba*

>>426492
>felt style
Sounds cute, any wips of it yet?

>>412220
Here's a free face tracking software you should add to the OP next time : VSeeFace

>>426554
Not yet, doing my blender reps right now though

>>414016
Oh, yeah. I forgot to tell you you need to use a program that can work with layers, because you need those in order to move individual parts later on Live2d.

>>412220

If this is the technology thread, what solutions are out there for voice changers?

>>432437
Voice changes are really bad. That's why not even trannies are bothering with them.

>>432437
>voice changers
YWNBAW

>>420163
Might work as a pngtuber with a lot of animation prep. Unless there's a dithering shader out there.

>>432437
Don't bother using it for babiniku, one of the earliest vtubers was a fox loli who certainly didn't. You could use it for demon voices, robot filters, and other effects. I think it would be cool to have a pilot-themed vtuber who sounds like he's speaking through his headset.

>>426170
>>426299
@Cermrnl

>>435553
>pilot-themed vtuber who sounds like he's speaking through his headset
That'd be rad

>>435809
Tell me about him.

>>438068
https://twitter.com/Cermrnl/status/1344580420076072960
https://twitter.com/Cermrnl/status/1350019899205287939
https://twitter.com/Cermrnl/status/1358078333578219520
https://twitter.com/Cermrnl/status/1359107624973701120

>>412220
This shit is fucking cancer lmao I cannot believe this board exists. Hahahahahahahahahaha

>>426170
Isn't that just binkov's battlegrounds?
https://youtu.be/FxYwD_n21wI

>>438924
>This is not available to you

>>438068
>>442688
https://www.cermrnl.com/gallery-1

/wvt/ has some useful links
>Resources & Commissions Listings
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQHyRDZ3nxlIINfZz_wWCbgQ9gR4OgbTFhyGwq45DseUixkJJKbUmhPjnkWcmh7dOCDdxObAZXv_zti/pubhtml
>Moonikaya's Tutorials
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxzcdvWy1qVxUt9Blg4Ui0A/about
>Live 2D tutorials
https://pastebin.com/SrNNCRaJ

>>443649
These are always good to have; thanks.

>>438924
>>435809
There's also
https://twitter.com/shin___geki/media

>>435553

That's what I was thinking. I'm looking for the radio effect so the listener gets the impression that you're so many miles away and thousands of feet up.

Libre Live2D clone never ever

Based thread

>>438924
Has someone posted this to /po/ yet?

Was thinking of drawing a model for this thread that people could use to practice rigging, good or bad idea?

>>455766
go for it, dude.

>>455766
Good idea, I want to see if I can replicate Live2D-esque results with blender but I'm too lazy to draw my own stuff.

>>435553
>Don't bother using it for babiniku, one of the earliest vtubers was a fox loli who certainly didn't.
Nice. Any other tips for this?

>>435553
>I think it would be cool to have a pilot-themed vtuber who sounds like he's speaking through his headset.
Keep going anon, what else do you think would be cool

>>423992
Just a femboy with a pretty revealing outfit, that worked to my benefit though because I just ended up drawing the whole body. So I can freely draw up new outfits and throw them on the base model pretty easily

>>457505
Hazmat suit/gas mask sound effect, Comrade_Del didnt do it, alas.

Bump for interest.

I'm bumping this one, too.

>>412220
I was thinking of making one based on ASCII. Made a video back in march

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__xXwChZhbM

Anyone have advice on L2D head rotation? The hair always seems to get disconnected when I try

>>484119
this almost looks like a flat-shaded 3d model

>>484165
I had the retarded idea to add shading later but its actually harder than doing it form the start

>>483384
you do 1 deformer for the face part
1 for each bang/front hair
1 for every ponytail/ whatever
1 for hair back and long hair
then you have to manually position the hair so it turns with the head
if its still getting disconnected then you didn't fill in enough

If I were to make a character that was wearing a helmet and was only two layers, would I need a seperate drawings aside from my front-view to make my character look around 45 degrees convincingly? I'm about to put in my commission order and don't want to realize I need more angles drawn.
Do people usually get one for looking up and down too, or just left and right?

>>485261
If you want to it look 3D you need to it just like the hair

>>485453
>you need to it just like the hair
Sorry what do you mean. I definetly will need the other angles drawn?

>>485469
If the helmet is full face or big enough to "poke" out from the head when it turns you will need a top+back+2 sides parts

>>485620
Yeah it's full face. Like a stormtrooper helmet.

Will I need to go the full mile and get a 90 degree profile drawing too? Or will the 45 degree drawings suffice?

>>485890
Depends on how far the head is supposed to turn
I think 45 is enough on most cases

>>487723
Thanks boss. So just to clarify I'll need a single 45 degree profile, one looking up, and one looking down, right? 3 extra drawings aside from face-forward?

>>484334
I've been doing that, pic related is what's going on.
>>487771
>one looking up, and one looking down
The rigger should be able to do that themselves, if you could post a concept or diagram we could help out more though

>>488044
>if you could post a concept or diagram we could help out more though
Heres the mockup for the head that I'm going to send to the artist. I just need to know how many drawings I'll need to commission.
You think I can probably get away with not needing a drawing for looking up/down?

>>423992
Basically a fancy looking balck mage from FF

>>488195
I think you only need something like the green part so it doesnt look too 2d

>>488044
you need to draw the rest of the front hair so it shows when the other hair moves
its that or the order is wrong

>>488685
Alright cool. I'll probably ask my artist too, though I'm not sure how savvy she is with Live2D. I'm anticipating her not having an answer, or convincing me to get an entire seperate drawing just to get some more money out of me

>>488862
Take this with a grain of salt since I never did helmets
Look at Valefor for inspiration I guess

Bump

Another bump?

I briefly considered opening rigging commissions, but seeing some of the stuff out there makes me feel like I need to learn 100 times more.

On top of that I need to remake my own model eventually.

I like it, but there's so many things I could do better.

>>501165
You really need to work on everything in the chest area, it clips everywhere when looked at for more than 2 seconds.
Reminds me of those cheap-ass flash player games nobody played because they prefered the anime aesthetic of Super Deepthroat.

>>484203

Retarded question, but is there a way to make it so your models mouth only opens if there is a sound in your mic instead of tracking your mouth

>>507127
depends on your tracking software

>>507365
Facerig

>>435553
>pilot-themed vtuber who sounds like he's speaking through his headset
See I originally thought this would be a cool idea, but no matter how you look at it that would get really annoying very quickly.
It's a cool 5-10 minute skit. For 2 hours in a game with classical instrumental/melodic music it's awful.

>>488195
Discount Disney Mandalorean.
Even uses a Star Wars logo.
Would not watch but would copyright claim.

>>412220
>mfw I cant draw for shit.

>>511195
No time like the present to learn

>>420767
>rendering pipeline that downscales, aliases, quantizes, dithers etc
The downscalling part would work perfectly but I think everything else would fuck with the final quality too much. I'd rather use animated/interactive pixel art textures.

>>511044
>Discount Disney Mandalorean.
>Even uses a Star Wars logo.
Do you think you are telling me something I didn't know already

>>511195
You don't really need to be able to use a pen or pencil - you can learn to draw with anchor points and curves in photoshop or illustrator or what not. You don't need to develop muscle memory or have a steady hand for that, beyond that which is generally required to use a mouse.

Thus, a lot of people who work on scalable 2D models can't draw for shit, and almost no one I've known who works on 3D models can.

>>516471
Any recommendations on how to learn drawing in photoshop or illustrator?

>>412220
You should separate the "art options" into two categories, editing (Photoshop, GIMP) and digital painting (SAI, Krita, Clip Studio Paint)

Here's a template:

Art options:
Digital painting:
>Krita (free, easy to use, all OSes)
>SAI (paid, easy to use, Windows only)
>Clip studio paint (paid, more complex but more powerful than the others, Windows only)

Editing:
>GIMP (free, better than it was before, all OSes)
>Photoshop ("paid", complex but powerful, Windows and Mac only)

>>414514
We have Krita for digital painting, OBS for streaming, we are missing a rigging option and a capture option then?

>>480017
The easiest way to do that would be to make a regular one and then have a program that transforms the image to ASCII (which is relatively easy)

>>517038
Maybe a "presentation" option as well, allowing you to display multiple characters (like what hololive's software does over the network), change the background color for chroma keying, attach objects to the character's rigs, etc. It could be combined with the rigging software but it wouldn't make much sense for the end users.

>>517207
True. Maybe an OBS plugin?

>>516684
Eh, there are better ways to learn today than how I learned, but it's second nature, so I've not felt the need to learn again. Thus, this maybe a bit of LMGTFY:
old Mac:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWH76K1a4Q
Newer PC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JhcdVXt1X4

Most pen tool tutorials you'll find are actually for Illustrator, but you can port back and forth, and they do work basically the same way, save that in Illustrator, everything is scalable vectors, instead of rasterized pixels.

Suffice to say, tons of free tutorials, on Youtube and beyond, both step by step and video. Might just be best to hunt around until you find a voice/duration/format you can tolerate.

>>517207
>Maybe a "presentation" option as well, allowing you to display multiple characters
You can do that over discord, have everyone stream their avatar with a green screen then crop it and key it in obs, pretty sure that's what holo does since you can see the crop sometimes

>>517319
No idea what it is exactly and how it's involved but Holos use AirServer, and I think they change their expressions directly on their iPhones

So what's exactly a Live2D file? Is there an explanation of how it works?

>>517319
>discord
non-free
Also that would be extremely inefficient. Why stream the whole model when you can just stream the rig's positions and render it client-side?

>>517413
Answering my own question, some resources here http://sites.cybernoids.jp/cubism_e/about_moc_mtn
https://docs.live2d.com/cubism-editor-manual/file-type-and-extension/?locale=en_us

Am I good enough to open comms?
I just need to give her nipples now

>>517729
>Am I good enough to open comms?
You'll learn more by opening them and talking with clients than by practicing in the void. Be nice with your first clients, consider this paid learning rather than full-on commission, learn a lot and you'll be okay. It's all about your attitude

>>517729
You need to work on giving depth to the model. You're definitely going to make it after some practice though

>>517813
how do I give depth to the body?
the head still feels flat because the hair isnt moving that much I think

Is there a better way to zoom in in live 2d that doesn't require you to scroll in and out until you get to the right spot?

>>517729
Go for it.
What you need is proper practice outside your comfort zone, having clients is good practice because they'll bring some technical challenges to the table with some of their ideas.

>>511044
Looks nothing like a Mandalorian, lore-lette

>>519250
I know.
But it looks like a Disney one.

>>519278
?

>>519305
?

>>520478
I don't see the resemblance

>>519250
>>519278
>>519305
>>520478
Hey can you sweaty fucking star wars autists take it to a youtube comments section or something?

>>412220
bumping should be pinned desu

>>521065
Not bad but the head and especially the hair feels too flat. Try adding shadows that move maybe, or different layers of hair

>>524899
whats the easiest way of adding shadows?

>>525385
Not a pro but try moving the things like this so there's an effect of depth on the hairs