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>>41114902
>>41173579
>>41192707

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>>41196337
Who needs votes anyway? Good bread, Lioranon!

>>41196235
You did good! Except that the vote anchor is missing
>>41196299
Oh yeah, ignoring the achievements of other people in favor of your own's is prime Arctic exploration tradition. They'll eat it up. That sounds pretty good.
Also, I gotta give my inuit niggas some credit...

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>>41192942
I guess this also means we can't use any crop from /nasa/. Depending on the climate I guess we'll have to put off the sandwich and soup kitchen. Meat and cheese is pretty good on barley and rye breads but I'd like to get catsup, mustard, lettuce, and tomato. Lettuce and tomato won't be doable on the border. But Mustard seeds and dried herbs can be imported easy. Meat would have to be butchered the same day its eaten. Though one advantage of living in the north mountain is we can make a cold ice house.

>>41196682
Gotta respect them inuit niggas.

>>41197196
Look, I will say it like this. If you can design a plant species that would be unique enough and at the same time wouldn't cause problems if it spread on this planet, I'm ok with adding it. But I would personally prefer for us to start with local ingredients.

>>41197943
>>41197196
TIMELOOP ALERT!!! BAN /NASA/ CROPS!!! BAN /NASA/ BAKERIES!!! TECHNOLOGY BAN!!! GMO BAN!!! BAKERY DEAL OVER!!! GO BACK TO CLIMATE ANALYSIS!!!

>>41198246
Welp, Hoomans, you heard the guy, the bakery deal is over. So sorry.

Is screwhead actually doing the virtual sex thing every month or am I reading incorrectly?

>>41198478
I've been trying to get this fucking bakery for most of a year now.

>>41198961
Sowwy Hooman, the anon's word takes precedence. Can't have any timeloops now, can we?

>>41198246
>>41198478
Just because we can't have /nasa/ crops doesn't mean we can't help grow native crops. I think if there's a lake farm in the east that's warmer and more fertile then wheat is still possible. One year we can grow beans and peas. Then the next year we'll grow wheat. And then the follow up year after wheat we'll let the land rest. Then turn it into grazing land for cattle.

Anyway we can import dried wheat grains and use them exclusively for pastries and pies until we get a local wheat crop. Thoughts?

>>41198961
I'm not going to let a shitposting schizo ruin our plans. Anyway we can have a bakery with barley and rye. Wheat and sugar imports will be used exclusively for more expensive cakes and pastries for weddings and parties. We can even bake mincemeat pies with beef and lamb for workers.

Worst comes to worse we'll change location to the city. I'm hoping the country has less regulation for a trading post town.

>>41196155
https://rentry.org/Heishin-War-Main
Please anchor under Tsukinode Empire Lore.

I am shutting down the bakery. Sorry hoomen, but we will be taking our talents to Risu.

>>41199512
Excellent, good good.

>>41199180
Absolutely, my own, while not at all detailed, plan for this was to eventually spread over many different fields, agriculture being one of the main ones. What's better than being your own supplier, afterall? But for now, focus on that first small bakery and expanding that. The farms and production facilities can come later.

Also I really hope neither of you actually took me seriously when I said that the deal is off because of a single anon...

>>41199887 me
I think a good format for this would be in the style of the Principal logs you did, where you make either first or third person entries, establishing a timeline over time.

>>41199550
Ah ok, i see you are avoiding a vote by instead making it lore first. Sneaky sneaky sneaky. Too bad that:
A. The thread will decide if this is canon or not
B. This will not change the precedent of gobbling up other nations and this “unification” will be short term.
I suggest you quit now before the thread loses all trust in your reasonability, good faith, and cooperativeness as a writer as this will permanently tarnish your reputation to the point that you are a figure as laughable as Megas and Navyronie.
Nice job trying to pull a fast one, and i am sure all of that hard work you put into making this just went down the drain when everyone realizes what you are doing.
Others, chime in on this too. This is a major threat to the thread if they dont back down.

>>41200066
Nope. Business plan with floor draft this time. Hoomans love paperwork.

>>41200851
The 2434 and Nijimale reps can write the lore they want (within reason), as long as they stay aware that land transfers will have to go through the usual process.

>>41200066
>>41200952
I'll agree with the business plan there, reading a simple description stating just what is supposed to happen is easier than having to read it from a character perspective, well, at least for me.
>>41199550
Hey, I know that one, based off the boshin war, right? Make sure its real devastating.

>>41201287
Do you not see the problem with this? Its lore written out of clear spite and hatred by those two against the majority opinion. A middle finger to all of us. Thats the issue. Its has the potential to ruin the project if they dont back down

>>41201553
>the majority opinion.
Oh please, do enlighten me. What is that majority opinion?

>>41201831
That there should be no merger since it is a bad precedent of neighbors gobbling up old threads.

>>41193681
this is why we should use the term "hard sci-fan" like i've been saying.

>>41199550
What are you trying to prove? That you are above the law?

>>41199550
Uhhh, no

>>41199550
Fuck off you fucking coward.

>>41201940
Is that a majority opinion? Is it really? Or is that just something you made up in your mind?

>>41200952
>>41201295
Whatever works fine for me, but I will be expecting a short story here and there, from either of you guys.

>>41202377
Clearly, look at the other responses. No one wants this, even the hooman said “make sure its extra devastating” to stop them from being too powerful.

WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR

>>41202471
Why are you niggas so fucking bad at making argumentative points.

>>41199550
alcie this is really bad after you bcaked down i recommed that you stop this please.

>>41202471
Please do not interpret my desire to read about a politicaly interesting large war for these reasons, in fact, please do not mention me in any way, thank you in advance.
>>41202452
Yeah I do want to do that too.

>>41202593
Cuz they're schizos, not genuine. There are concerns with a potential merger, but this guy is just shitting up the thread. Possibly trying to discredit the stance he's parroting.

>>41202593
How is a bad argument.
>It's a bad precedent because it effectively allows two threads to unify if their reps want it.
>It's a bad precedent because meta wise, this makes no sense considering both threads are seperate
>It's a bad precedent because they backed down yesterday and now are going through with it.
>Overall, it's extremely disrespectful to our thread that they just don't give a shit.

Fucking simpleton.

>>41202714
>politicaly
woops, politically*

>>41202778
Yeah, bet its them actually doing this dumb shit to undermine actual concerns.

>>41202471
What other responses? There have only been you and Hooman, who commented on wanting it being bloody, as a samurai war should be. Hell, the war it's based on set the stage for the eventual Satsuma rebellion, which culminated into one of history's best last stands, and a kickass Sabaton song some centuries later.

>>41202919
Which nationality would Sabaton be in Vitubia? We have Finns, but no Swedes.

>>41202919
>Muh Sabaton
I too enjoy the same song structure remade 12 times an album

>>41203150
you view of how one can value a piece of music is very shallow i see

>>41202782
You dumb esl schizo
>It's a bad precedent because it effectively allows two threads to unify if their reps want it.
You moron, you ignoramous. You need to put into words how this is a bad thing, hell this seems like what someone with malicious intent would specifically not want. If two writers want to act as one thread, they don't need to merge to do it.
>It's a bad precedent because meta wise, this makes no sense considering both threads are seperate
Refer to first sentence, then reread paragraph.
>It's a bad precedent because they backed down yesterday and now are going through with it.
What the hell does this even mean, no explanation as to how this is a bad precedent whatsoever, you're spamming words at this point. Pick up a fuckin dictionary and use an argumentative point better than a meek personal attack that implies, what, indecision? Weakness? Be specific, nimrod.
>Overall, it's extremely disrespectful to our thread that they just don't give a shit.
You're just saying things without elaborating, it shows that you either lack the will, confidence, or argumentative ability to actually hold your ground. Weak shit anon, weak shit. This is horrendous, you couldn't talk OG into a corner with this fucking argumentation.

I love how something fun that my friend and I have planned as lore is getting turned into a meta conversation instead as if meta is now more important than lore. Are we not a worldbuilding thread or are we a "Checks and Balances" thread? What matters more?

This is going to take months to get wrote and is ultimately a fun project that we are planning. It's not about "map changes" nor "Meta precedents" nor "Power gaming " when those subjects never really came to mind beyond us thinking that this would literally be the response. Not excitement at the potentiality that Hooman and Cunt have shown, but crying over those silly ideas that are far from important when we have so many possibilities of great writing and fun from this! This is between me and the nijimales rep, and us wanting to bring a unique experience inspired by real world events to Vitubia. Isn't that what makes this project special or have >we forgot that?

>>41203150
I don't see how that has anything to do with the quality of their music or my enjoyment of said music.

>>41203529
it's worth remembering that lore should be subject to checks and balances, and that world building is separate from story-telling. just a nitpick, i don't want to get involved and make this any more of a problem.

>>41203454
I think it is a good response though, and you being in favor of this highlights your own bias about /hlgg/ conquest being shown here.

>>41203529
Oi shut up you, nobodies said anything even worthy of a rational response yet regarding whatever that post was.
>>41203839
Your thoughts are wrong and I can prove them objectively.

>>41203802
I am sure Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great listened to "Checks and Balances" anon when they wrote their "lore".

>>41203908
How about you actually stfu for once and let the woman explain herself, huh?

>>41203922
Alexander should have checked his partners for syphilis rumao

>>41203908
Well, it is better to lay this out now before the swine think they have proven anything.
>>41203802
How is this a problem though, out of curiosity?

>>41204000

>>41204022
Ok this got me anon, you win this thread for today

>>41203922
what is this supposed to mean, exactly? their "lore" was written by their peers, and was regulated by what people remembered, and how people interpreted what happened. we have an entirely separate set of checks and balances, it's not even tangentially related to any of those people.
>>41204034
see >>41203802
>just a nitpick, i don't want to get involved and make this any more of a problem.

>>41203922
FUCKING KEK
>Caesar, you should not cross the Rubicon, the checks and balances on the world will fault
>Hold my toga.

>>41204000
This doesn't explain alot, literally nobody has explained anything. Horrific discourse.
>>41204034
>Well, it is better to lay this out now before the swine think they have proven anything.
No. Not at all. Carry on though.

https://files.catbox.moe/mc2jbx.pdf
This was my best attempt at a Wikipedia style box. I custom designed most of those clan mons/banners and my colleague helped me with the names. More details will be added on later...

>>41202714
Hoping to get some spare time for illustrations. In the mean time what local ingredients we're working with? You say potatoes, rye, and barley. What else on the border?

>>41204550
Woaaaaa, this is kino actually.

>>41204550
>>41204852
Yea no shit that looks good.

>>41201295
>>41202919
It's going to be fun!!!
>>41204852
Thanks, i put a lot of work into them all.

>>41204951
Thanks!!!

>>41204490
Be that as it may, you will sit your pink ass down in your special corner and be quiet.

>>41205438
No.

>>41205438
yellow woman explained herself enough, idk.

>>41204820
>>41202714
So another crop I read about rice. How's the rice trade on the border next to /rrat/?

>>41205899
oh right, we do have rice, I don't doubt there's rice farming in the east, some of the climate resembles that of the manchurian steppe.

>>41206107
>mfw this small bakery will cause you to detail the region like nothing before
You're welcome

>>41206267
That depends on whether or not I'm sleep deprived enough to write it.

>>41206107
Rice and dry wheat are very easy grains to transport. Though to process rice into flour we'll need some capital. But small steps first. We can make potato bread by blending it with barley. We can make carrots into treats. And if you have local sweet berries then we can make pies.

>>41206819
Mills for rice would probably exist already in that region, ya know? Just buy the flour instead of the grain.

>>41206938
If you can keep the flour dry, maybe. So how are the local fruits and vegetables. Perhaps we can buy food from /rrat/ merchants who visit. But we need to make money. Our business is about cooking raw ingredients into cusine for convenience. We need to bake goods that are more convenient to buy than make at home. With shelf designs to ovens we can bake bread in bulk. There's also the risk of baking too much bread and having it go stale.

>>41208125
Okay I'm overthinking it again. TL;DR local ingredients will let us keep prices down as we invent new dishes to sell.

>>41208125
The fruits you'll get are mostly berries.

>>41208125
>>41208203
This bakery is doomed to fail. My wife can bake bread at home in a pot easy.

>>41209999 (checked)
What if I rent out an oven for a few pennies an hour so your wife can bake the perfect birthday cake? You can even mix the frosting yourself. Just wash the bowls and pan when you're done.

>>41209947
Berries are perfect for pies. What kinds of berries you got?

>>41209999
Its a great idea in a world that is smaller and has better transportation. Just like all nasa lore, ends in failure

>>41210369
Why would I ever want to use your facilities, a stinky foreigner, when I can use my local bakers instead?

>>41210391
>>41209999
Problems: 1) Either you're moving to an area with no wheat where barley bread sucks. Or 2) You move into an area that has wheat but already has a bakery. Technology and recipes aren't going to solve your problem. You're an alien business. You have no transportation. No refrigeration, and no luck. You're better off working for an already established bakery than making your own. Give up.

>>41210369
>What kinds of berries you got?
Fuck.
I'll come up with a list sometime soon, I don't really feel like crosschecking wikipedia right now.

>>41210491
Those are the words of a guy who never went past a bakery and got dragged in by the smell alone. Oh how I pity you, like for real.

>>41210369
I am a simple farmer. I dont give a damn about your fancy overpriced food. Driving out local bakers and millers! We will tar and feather you spaceniggers! Begone!

>>41210733
Our local bakers are better anyways since they cook with actual love and care for their communities!

>>41210717
Hoomen have these technologies as do deadbeats and kronies. Sanalites will conquer the world with bread.

I suppose another option is to rent the ovens out for bulk orders for local taverns that supply their own ingredients.

>>41210719
Get some rest. Even I need a break sometimes.

>>41210766
>>41210491
So you hoomans or what? The bakery's going to be staffed by hoomans.

>>41204550
I await this eagerly and think this is something that is a unique and seemingly well prepare project. Good luck.

>>41211214
Cunt wants to turn this into a mega corporation.

>>41211214
They are not hoomans, please do not reply to them.
Commercial bakeries have existed since forever, I'm not sure what the shitposting is about, nor do I care, so if they start saying unreasonable things please do not pay attention to them.
I think the bakery would be staffed by the sanallites, since it's a sanallite venture, but there's nothing stopping you from hiring hooman manpower.

>>41211231
I dont. I hate what this brings to our thread. I dont care if they put hundreds of hours into it. Principles matter.

>>41211310
I'm taking smaller steps. Right now the idea is to try to sell a bakery with ovens with thermometers and shelves. I baked bread by hand myself before. I know how much work and care it takes to mix and knead dough. Its hard work but fun. I'm thinking if we can't get local farms or traders for ingredients then maybe we can rent the ovens for bulk orders.

The idea with settling in a trade town on the /rrat/ border is to sell bread to traders who are too busy to settle down or workers like miners that want an easy lunch to carry. But maybe the community can bake bread themselves and we just offer the workspace to do that.

>>41211231
No fuck off with any praise to them. Only praise actual content!

>>41211918
Good, the idea of a megacorp is what rubbed anons the wrong way likely

>>41210719
Eh just assume we have most of the species that grow on a bush. Rather than straight up listing them, it's better if we talk about what kinds have special cultural, economic, or religious value.

>>41211507
The bakery will hire anyone who has the skill to bake bread. Also what's your idea of renting ovens? I was looking up medieval brick ovens and read that ovens were sometimes rented out to locals. But then again medieval ovens tend to collapse and burn everything down.

>>41210733
This space clown is unironically shilling panera over the local bakery.

>>41212137
/who/'s a democratic republic so no oven rents. It's built by the local parliaments or farming communes and paid for by the public except for ones owned by private businesses.

>>41212407
Mmm Panera's pretty good tho.

>>41212632
And that's how we get ya

>>41212632
Shill.

>>41212773
>Going to panera everyday just to see the cute brown baker

>>41212578
I have not decided that.
>>41212137
I've no idea how that would work, wouldn't it just be easier to put some ovens on your own business to avoid having to wait lines for rented ovens? I guess it could be some sort of public oven space or something, but it's not like most people will bake mass bread.

Yea, renting out ovens might be one thing too much on their plate for now. Slow and steady, remember? Don't wanna dip your toes into too many things and then have them fall apart.

>>41212578
Okay so renting the oven itself is not an option even if they're privately owned. We could sell some raw ingredients and firewood to customers that would rather bake the bread themselves in our ovens. I doubt we can sell flour but we can sell ingredients like sugar, butter, and cream. Maybe we can get a contract with a trader who specializes in sugar and spices as a vendor to sell his products on our shelf if we don't use it ourselves.

>>41213377
Ey ey ey, overcomplicating and overthinking things again. One thing at a time. Bakery. WE bake. We sell. First establish that. Then comes everything else.

>>41213377
Scratch that. This idea only works if the supplier doesn't have their own store. Which if we're in a trader town they will. So I guess we'll just start the business selling barley potato bread, butter, and rye for now then figure it out later.

>>41213209
breaddog suggested that we have a custom that was adopted by feudal societies in Europe. I don't think with the development the country's supposedly in now there's a need for people to rent one or have someone actually profit from it. Doesn't make as much sense for a democratic state run mostly by taxpayer money.

>>41213377
What if Risuners came seeking revenge

>>41213774
Again. The business is doomed to fail. Hoomans will bake their own bread at home for cheaper. And you will go out of business.

>>41213802
That is actually an interesting question. Hoomen, how long would it take for the Sanallites to gain Republic citizenship?

>>41213802
We fist fight. And if they have a weapon we shoot.

>>41213973
Risuners will bomb it with their staffs. Sending one diamond to end all Sanalite activities.

>>41214000
Risuners are experts at gorilla warfare you stand no chance.

>>41213801
I see, I had not heard of oven renting in the first place. So it didn't make sense to me.
>>41213774
Yes, so please do focus on just getting the basics down. Don't think about providing other services until you get the basics written about.
>>41213973
I mean, you'd be business owners and very quickly accepted into the community due to cultural closeness. So very quickly I assume.

>>41214000
Trips of truth

>>41214000
You will be DEAD. GONE. FOREVER.

>>41214277
Its who, it will take 20 years

>>41213973
About 350 years

>>41213801
In the middle ages ovens were owned by guilds. But the practice still exists for wholesellers. I worked as a bread vendor. How it worked is restauraunts and grocery stores would buy bread from a vendor who orders from a bakery. The vendor has to sell all the bread he ordered within the week or else he has to pay for the bread he holds out of pocket.

That said this business model only works with fossil fuel trucks.

>>41214277
>oven renting
Oh yea, it was a pretty big thing around here. Sometimes entire villages would share one oven, and the mothers would all bake bread in turns.

Remember Risu has allies in uuu that will gladly help destroy Sanalites. Remember the tree chopping next to the board.

Question. The bakery is entirely run by sanalite diaspora?

>>41214578
Trains would work fine, /who/ likely has them. I heard they have working steam engines already and probably have steam locomotives given their ironclads and great tech.

>>41214665
Their bread is made of foreskins. You would like it.

OH RIGHT! Forgot to mention, but there would be a total of 38 Sanallites going down into the Republic, and out of those 4 would depart for nasfaqg in about a decade. As for others I'm not sure. Anyone want a few Sanallites to come to you in a few years? Just keep that 38 number in mind for now, I'll put it in a rentry eventually.

>>41199550
No one is excited or even cares… all your work is worthless. Nasa bakeries matter more to us.

>>41214893
Can Risu have Brent Rambo?

>>41214665
At the start, yes. However its one or two families. And many of the family will be working odd jobs until the bakery takes off. I plan on hiring locals once we're settled.

>>41214722
Its also bread preservation too. Most supermarket breads are just chemical cakes with no nutrition but last on shelf for a week or two. Old bread recipes go stale by the end of the day.

>>41215068
That's when you make french bread! Or breadcrumbs, or croutons.

>>41215012
I'll allow it as a second generation survivor, so born in the next few decades. So his story would need slight adjusting iirc.

>>41199550
Deadbeat told you no. Cunt told you no. Clocks told you no. Comfy told you no. Retro told you no. Meatbro told you no. Where is your respect? You still act like an ungrateful newfag to this day and you are one. Hagchad will be more fondly remembered, while we will spit on your lore always.

So for local ingredients we have potatoes, barley, rye, and BERRIES. Maybe carrots? Need to do a crop analysis of the region.

I want to order a supply of wheat. How much would it cost to import dry wheat? Assuming we can grind it ourselves.

>>41215068
Freightcars with refrigeration will be a blessing when the hoomen figure that out. Soon bread and icecream will reach the whole republic by rail i think.

>>41215460
It's a grain producer. You don't have to import it. And yes grains are usually grinded when they are needed since whole grains keep longer than grinded grains.

>>41215536
Do you guys have anything that you actually import?

>>41215068
we still don't have railways by the way

>>41215598
Fuck off alice… dumb hypocrite

>>41215620
Yeah you do. You have the technology, with all of your steamships. If that rule didnt exist you would say you do.

>>41215068
wonderful. this bakery sounds like a comfy project. a stepping stone for sanalites naturalizing

>>41199550
See not even founder cares about your dumb project. No one does actually. Just stop. We all told you too.

>>41215789
Sadly my bad habits attracted shitposters again.

>>41215789
a stepping stone for sanalites DOMINATING THE WORLD MORE LIKE MUAHAHAHAHA

>>41199550
Uhh, no man, sorry.

>>41215910
Ignore them like you have been, don't even mention them. The only two that matter are being kind and posting mooms so you can distinguish them.

>>41199550
>another pomerlane copy
Do something original like meat or nasa.

>>41215598
Rubber, tea, coffee, among other things.
>>41215789
>>41215910
Aye don't worry, even if I get a little ticked off, retarded shitposters will always remain retarded shitposters.
>>41215917
Didn't we have that one old image of possible endings?

>>41216076
Still in the archives iirc

>>41216076
>Didn't we have that one old image of possible endings?
We should update and expand it, we have so many new potential endings now.

>>41216073
Uhhhh sus

>>41216073
Nice falseflag…

>>41216225
>>41216317
Thats not even her trip you morons

>>41215917
Risu will always win… gentlemen?

>>41215536
How far is the nearest wheat producer from the /rrat/ border trade town? I was told the region's soil isn't that good for wheat. I'm thinking of seeing if the lake farms in the west have wheat. Barley, rye, and potatoes are fine for bread. I just need wheat for pies and cakes.

Also how's the local milk production. Do you have dairy farms or goats? We'll have to make sugar from maple tree syrup, honey, and berry juice.

>>41216520
The milk is awful, we need to import from noel.

>>41215620
You would if you could.

>>41216506
https://youtu.be/BIes7RJosyc

I want to pet a squirrel.

>>41216590
Is the land just bad for dairy cows?

>>41216810
Unfortunately so. Plus Noels milk is the best.

Brb gonna go do some milking with Noel

>>41216952
I want to milk alice ToT

>>41216810
Christ breaddog it should be obvious who's a false flagger by this point.

>>41216810
Cum pet by squirrel spaceman~!

>>41217058
I am (You).

>>41216875
Ugh... That hurts a lot of recipes. Not just frosting but soup recipes as well. So how expensive is salted butter? Salted butter should last a while. If we have to we'll raise some goats. No, Sanalite milk is not for sale.

>>41217245
Very expensive and rare. We import from Hoshiyomia.

>>41217058
Well the mountains aren't that good to raise dairy cows. Goats are pretty good to raise. Anyway before we buy milk and cream we'll buy butter first. Salted butter will be great for potato bread.

>>41217386
that soil is rather bad anyways.

>>41216073
Hey you! Yeah you! Fuck off!! stop bullying her
>>41216076
>>41215910
sorry bro. if anything your bakery idea is just an expansion of an already existing lore. nothing wrong with that.
>>41216520
Just buy private estates and make your own farms in who. Give other sanalites jobs and make your supply self contained

>>41217513
Why should i? She deserves it for defying everyone.

>>41217245
We have cows and goats, but I really need you to stop replying to single most retarded empty headed imbecile trying to falseflag.
The cows should produce good enough milk, as a bonus, we also have goat milk as goats make up a considerable section of the livestock sector, especially in the east.
Salted butter should be available. I don't know how salt is collected, so I'll investigate that eventually.

>>41217386
The East has some steppes. It won't be the center for producing dairy but there should still be milk available locally. At least small scale sedentary pastures should be possible near cities that are built into valleys but they would be competing against crop farms for land and manpower.

>>41217680
In the East most should be from salt mines. Part of it form the sedimentary basin for the /rrat/ mountains so there should be plenty to go around. Failing that /rrat/ should be selling them.

>>41217680
Salt is usually mined in deposits. Goat milk should be enough to make cheese and butter. We'll wait on cream until we get a proper sugar supply.

>>41217513
That'll be the future after we earn enough profit.

>>41218037
Just one last ingredient. What dry sugar do you have? We can substitute sugar with honey and syrup in some recipes.

>>41218568
Not hooman, but I think they might be able to make beet sugar. Otherwise, one of their few imports might be sugar cane sugar from the likes of meat, Moriji, and the IDlands.

>>41219102
I think /nasa/ was growing sugar beets. So we'll be familiar with that. Well its bedtime. I'm going to be busy tomorrow. I'll see if I can whip up a document.

I feel sorry for lioranon, wasn't this his first bake?

Food autism is more interesting than previously thought

>>41220591
It’s fine, I’m busy tidying my lore rentry anyway

>>41217513
Founder, I have some ideas for a way to streamline /meat/'s administration and government lore. Which are both lacking and fuzzy in some parts. Climeat and PG, if you guys are around you can join in. Non-/meat/ writers can chime in their thoughts if you wish.

>Problems
1. Assumptions of unitary government
Just like every other people who do not read, is that everyone assumed that /meat/ is one unitary state that bows down to the central government in Nacatlah.
2. Vague separation of power
While we established that /meat/ is a federation of multiple administratives, we have not fully flesh out these divisions which led to some confusion. Are these divisions states, districts, counties? To top it all of some are still in the dark about diplomacy as they assume that everything has to go through Nacatlah first, when in practice each division is free to carry out their diplomacy independently.

>Real life inspiration
We have established that /meat/ takes inspirations from the Aztec and the Norse. This is actually a great boon for us for these two powers have the solutions we need.
1. Triple Alliance
The Aztec/Mexica is NOT a single unitary power. It is in fact an alliance of THREE separate similarly likeminded powers (Tlacopan, Tetzcoco, Mexico) under the guidance of the tlatoani. In practice, these states are autonomous entirely, with the capital being the military leadership. The Hueytlatoani deals with external matters of the alliance, while the Cihuacoatl is the leader of each alliance member.
2. Norse Thing/Council of Four
We've established in lore that leadership is an elective theocracy, from the intelligentsia caste through merit, in a bottom-up hierachy.
Town clergy elects district clergy, elects state clergy, elects realm clergy.
However we have not established the system in whole.
In Aztec society, the Hueytlatoani is elected from the Council of Four. This inspiration fits seamlessly well with what we have. But instead of FOUR, it will be made up of the realmly ministers you have written prior; Rikitnahualli, Rikitlachixqui, Rikitlaeknir, Rikitpochteca, Rikitemachtiani, Rikitlalchiuhqui.
Recall the number of Realm Ministers, SIX.
But it needs one more function.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_(assembly)
In Norse society, legislative is done through an assembly, the thing. I propose that things are the method inn which the leaders are elected. A town thing elects the town clergy. A national thing elects the national leader, our Council of Four shall enter an alliance-wide allthing to elect the Rikittlatoani.

>Solutions
Supranational Theocracy
/meat/ is not a single unitary nation. Inspired by the Triple Alliance, it is in fact a supranational alliance of SIX separate clergy states;
- Nacatlah (Including the island of shadows)
- Nacatlan
- Matiriki
- Atoyavik
- Ryonaheim
- Namakubi
SIX separate states, SIX Realmly ministers. And our flag has SIX eyes.
The Realmly ministers ARE the leader of each clergy state (the Rikitlaeknir is the king-priest of Atoyavik etc) with the Rikittlatoani being the alliance leader, our EU chairman of sorts. Who are elected through things of varying stages.
Each state is allowed to freely carry out their tasks independently as long as they do not go against the Rikittlatoani. This clear separation of power will allow for more complex diplomacy and arrangements. Such as Matiriki being friendlier with /nasfaqg/ and /morig/, but Namakubi despises /nasfaqg/ and /morig/ for it is also a mercantile trade power being pestered by the Black Fleet.

That is my proposal for the confusion of our government and its administration.

>>41220772
You did good for your first bake, worry not. We had plenty of good discussion so far, even if some flies were buzzing around more than usual.

>>41220772
Can't be worse than my bakes.

>>41221162
>/morig/ has a council of three
>/meat/ has a council of six
>Deadbeats have one dick
>Matiyotl have two dicks
What did numerology mean by this?

>>41221162
>SIX separate states, SIX Realmly ministers. And our flag has SIX eyes.
The hell? I swore I didnt planned any of this! fuck it fits!
>supranational like the EU
Each state is a separate nation, but under an alliance leader? Wouldnt it be easier to just make it like the HRE? An emperor with six kings under him? just switch to clergy instead of royalty

>>41221162
This draws nicely from the inspo societies while putting your spin on it, nice. I'm a bit too amused the Norse thing is called... The thing. I had to re-read that part kek. Proposal makes sense to me.

>>41222046
>Vitubian nation is not the HRE IMPOSSIBLE Challenge (gone wrong) (gone meaty)

>>41222046
That is where I chose NOT to take inspiration from the HRE or any similarly imperial systems. Under an empire, the emperor is in charge of the foreign policies. Even if a king does not want war, they are forced to under the command of the emperor.
By making /meat/ an alliance, each member is allowed to decide their own foreign policy. This allows for some 'leeway' with how we do diplomacy and trade.
Such as the Golden Circle proposal and the Ailivian Trade League, the treaty could be made with every /meat/ members except one.
Another is that it allows for more in depth connections to be made. Foreign powers can do deals with /meat/ if each member has different foreign policies. The cloak and dagger-ish leader of Atoyavik will not deal with heathens, but Ryonaheim is willing to out of pragmatism.
This solves our biggest plothole: Why would a fundamentalist clergy state do deals with other fundamentalist clergy states?
It is because we are not one nation.
Another reason for this division is that it allows us to represent our thread with six parts
Namakubi: Our stealth threads. Nobody knows it'a ours but visits it.
Ryonaheim: Our orthodox side. For discussion of Akira and co
Atoyavik: Our avant-garde side. Represents us discussing adult or weird, but non ryona, chuubas like Milk and Tsugu.
Nacatlah: Our fanfic/abuse side. Represents our writings of corpos being abused amd eaten.

>>41222778
Oh, I didn't think about it, but Namalubi would have been the seat of the government in exile, right? Or at least an important location for it.

>>41221162
>>41222778
i like it, but i kind of want to delve a little deeper into the philosophy behind each region (realm? nation? i'm going to refer to them as regions, and the whole as the nation, but correct me if you think something works better). also, if we are naturally fractured, that would theoretically make it easier for us to adapt to the janny attacks, since each region would be used to acting more independently if need be. what do you think the primary pantheons of each region would be? you mentioned milk and tsugu for atoyavik, and obviously the others would be worshipped, too, but it might give us some insight into how they think if we figured out some of these things.
also, i remember i noticed something about the 6 eyes that i thought was cool, but i don't remember what that connection was now. anyways, i love it when lore acts as an allusion to something like this, so i approve of the direction. problem is that idk how to edit it into our lore rentry, or how to do it in a well-organized manner, so whoever has that stuff covered, good luck and thank you. hopefully they are still around.

>>41223484
Glad you like it. As for the pantheon worship, I assume that Akira worship is the basis in all states. While each member has their own focus.
It can be a way to translate our thread's division of different topics. Mainline ryona indies, alternative but non ryona indies, fetish writing, jerky chuubas, etc.
>>41223438
That would be a good idea really. That island's close proximity to Ailivia would make it a good government in exile for the cult network.

>>41223700
where did you get all of these pictures? i thought i was paying attention to all the main sources of /meat/ images, but apparently not hard enough. ty!

>>41223781
From past /sbg/ threads. I just save them as I go.
Also, speaking of /sbg/. We can actually use this greatly in this new lore proposal.
/meat/ is an alliance of /sbg/, /abuse/, /tsugu/, cannibal fetish thread, etc

>>41223910
i didn't save any of the images from back then. desu, i was mostly a lurker for the majority of the time i spent on 4chan, and i didn't typically save images for long unless i figured i would use them frequently enough to justify it. i should have saved more stuff, but i am running out of space with all of my images, now.

Also a little thing I realised.
If the supranational ministers ARE the leaders of each alliance members, this will ensure mutual trust between the /meat/ states.
The Rikitnahualli is elected from the leader of Nacatlah.
The Rikitlaeknir is elected from the leader of Matiriki.
That way, even if the leader of Matiriki has power over their state, per the alliance magical activities is decided by the Rikitnahualli in Nacatlah.
In return, the Matiriki leader will be in charge of deciding the direction of healthcare and welfare for Nacatlah.
Each alliance member's fate is in each other's hands. A true ryona experience.

>>41216506
Wow. Now there are 2 fake OG trips. Why the fuck do you retards want to be like him so bad. Is it the incest the makes you faggots jealous?

>>41224697
OG makes my penis the biggus peenus

bump

>>41224427
Wouldn't that mean each leader will have no ministers/advisors since the other members of the alliance will do it for them? It'll just give the leader more work to do completely outside of their country. like having to manage your neighbor's welfare while you cant even decide how to rule yours without the interference of your neighbor

>>41229755
i think the idea is the division of labor, but i'll agree that they shouldn't be too dependent on each other. with that said, the idea of trusting the other to not harm you (too much) does have a nice parallel in ryona, but it might cause some problems in terms of the actual system. i think it might end up being a bad idea to do it like that i guess.

>>41229755
I knew you'd say that. I admit that my wording is not the best.
Let's take the EU for example. France and Italy.
The leader of France is also the director of the EU Medicine Agency. The leader of Italy is also the director of the EU Food Agency. They do not rule as respective ministers. But to harmonise, mediate, supervise each other. Each member can do however they want, but the leader of the neighbouring nation supervise how it can be implemented throughout the allied realm.
Now, do this the same with /meat/. The instituitions you wrote, the Fellows, are like the EU Agencies.
The Stadrtlartoani of Matiriki is the Rikitnahualli. They are in charge of handling magic research and distribution of knowledge.
The Stadrtlatoani of Ryonaheim is the Rikitlaeknir. They are in charge of supervising medicine and welfare.
So your neighbour is not your minister, they are your supervisor at harmonising policies between the alliance members.

>>41230260
>they are your supervisor at harmonising policies between the alliance members.
so, division of labor, right? if so, i think that is fine. each region can focus on their own area of expertise, and will supervise the others as well. with that said, we need to make sure there are two things in place to make sure it works. 1) a meritocratic system that incentivizes each region to advance and share their wisdom with each other. 2) a way to test said wisdom, ideally via experimentation of different policies. what systems can you think of to those effects?

>>41230892
>each region can focus on their own area of expertise
According to your lore here? >>/vt/thread/S18539186#p18552774

>we need to make sure there are two things in place to make sure it works. 1) a meritocratic system that incentivizes each region to advance and share their wisdom with each other. 2) a way to test said wisdom, ideally via experimentation of different policies. what systems can you think of to those effects?
Well. Founder already wrote that.
According to Founder's story https://rentry.org/vtwbg-meatreturn

"The Rightfully Won Champion of the Althing Game of Wit and Zeal;
Chosen One; Blessed One;
The Great Realm Speaker of All Abottoir;
The Wisest of the Nahualli;
The Strongest of the Vikingr;"

"For in every land, shall they be the workers and the scholars. Soldiers and priests. The society of two, of the soft hand and the hard hand.
For in every land, shall we be led by the faithful. Of an Abottoir. Who shall maintain and enforce the law of the Gods.
For each Abottoir, the gifted among gifted shall be chosen. The wisest of the wise, the strongest of the strong. To lead Fellows of The Places where their talents blossom and bear fruit.
For each leader of the Fellows of The Places, one of greatest mind, body, and soul will be chosen. To become the King of Kings, the Priest of Priests, and the Blessed Mouth of the Gods themselves. The Champion of the Althing Game of Wit and Zeal; the Rikitlatoani"

I will based the thing assembly proposal based of this and our old lore here >>/vt/thread/S18539186#p18552115

Each district will be specialised in a specific field. Each leader is elected bottom-up through things.
Someone from the intelligentsia class becomes a priest-mayor for a town abattoir. With enough merit, he gets elected as the leader for the county. Then the state. Then the country as the Stadrtlatoani. And when he becomes the leader of his state, he's in charge of supervising his area of expertise throughout the alliance.

To become the Rikittlatoani however is much more complicated. They have to prove themselves with knowledge and have military experience.
It's established that /meat/ allows transition of caste. From freemen to slaves, from slaves to free, from soldiers to scholars, mages to labourers.
>exchange of class should one's family is deemed worthy or unworthy. A lowborn labour family could be a merchant tomorrow, a noble today could be fertilizer next week.
>Sholo is a curious category, one that is sometimes dismissed by opponents of the system as a fabrication for propaganda purpose. It comprises the majority of slaves who willingly allow themselves to be enslaved, but are deemed insufficient to be wentli or awiyani for any reasons.
So the Rikittlatoani is chosen from someone who walked through both caste. As a soldier/marine/viking and as a priest/scholar/mage. Worked as a laeknir, fought as a vikingr, etc.
The balance of mind and body.

>>41230030
>the idea of trusting the other to not harm you (too much) does have a nice parallel in ryona
Holy shit!!! Ryonacracy!!!

>>41231631
>According to your lore here?
forgot about that, but i was actually thinking about mentioning greek city-states, so ya, pretty much that. everything else is great. thank you for reminding me of it. desu, i haven't been thinking about this stuff for a while. i miss the times when we all got together and came up with ideas like this, especially when we did it in our own threads. speaking of which, holy shit, the named thread has been up for 9 hours, that's longer than some of the stealth threads we've been having recently. the janny must be sleeping at this time, write that down and remember it for later!

>>41231994
Please do not call it that.
>>41232072
>i miss the times when we all got together and came up with ideas like this
Same. It's fun to get back to it.
>up for 9 hours
Yay!

>>41196155
https://rentry.org/gvvtq
Place this under stories, with the tags risu, nasa and who.

>>41221162
Your nation is dead.

>>41232814
Hi, stalker-kun. You just reported our thread again didn't you?

>>41232838
Do you want me to?

>>41232767
Sorry, place under non-canon. This is a shitpost obviously.

>>41233237
There's a section specifically for memes

>>41232863
there wouldn't be any reason for you to do it, and we'd just make another some time after it was deleted, but if you are petty enough to come here just to tell us our nation is supposedly dead, and then try to get it killed when it isn't, then i guess there's nothing we can do to stop you from being that kind of person, but imagine wanting to be that kind of person. people lie and pretend that the only way to get into the kind of stuff /meat/ is about is through trauma, but i wonder what schizos had to go through to become the subhuman troglodytes that they are now.

>>41233339
I just woke up and forgor.

>>41233365
You're feeding into their behavior by acknowledging them every chance you get

>>41230260
Thanks that cleared me up. so my faellag idea is now an intergovernment agency. while the Rikittlatoani has become something of an alliance leader. Well I originally envisioned the title as something like a theocratic priest king >>41231631
I like that you managed to link my interpetation of /meat/'s government with past ideas for this new system you got going. though now that you mentioned it, we really didnt have a unified lore on our government. we have bits and blurbs but nothing in detail. The old post mentioned our system as being aristocratic with elector nobles. This new system you propose with the thing assembly based off my poem now made it meritocratic of sorts. so /meat/ will be like an EU, comprised of 6 clergy states/theocracies, with a meritocratic election to elect its officials, and each theocracy is specialized in a specific field (farming, welfare, education, magic, faith)
I like it but my only concern is our realm wide leader, the rikittlatoani. what kind of power will he have since he's going to be the one that leads 6 nations?
>>41230892
funnily enough I wrote that poem based off our old vague ideas of how we elect the leaders. I just used the abbotoir for it.
>>41232072
What do you think each division should specialize in? i can confidently say Nacatlah would be magic since it's where the great abbotoir of the blood river's waterfall is, the capital of /meat/ as a whole, plus the island of shadows where we do our most confidential research is under Nacatlah control.
Climeat, is our climate analysis still accurate? if it is then west meat, Matiriki, would be farming since arid climate is good for crops like the three sisters

>>41215167
at the very least the modern gus need to be chaged i would say, i dooubt the rest needs to be changed given that its more for fun.
>>41215353
nah i didn't, my issue is with the current vote system and the way we hadle writing and voting overall. given the circumstances i don't see the need for a merge to begin with give that no one had issue with /ag/, /ringo/ annd /meat/ being considered a thing either.

>>41234495
>no one had issue with /ag/, /ringo/ annd /meat/ being considered a thing either.
90% sure that was one or two people and the basis for it was pretty weak, also pretty sure it was working off a made up rule.

Naval Station Bergazeet in 1144:
Commander: Vice Admiral Louis d'Avranches

Flagship: 90 Gun 2nd Rank, the Helesta

>8th Battle Squadron:
Commander: Vice Admiral Jürgen von Weißenfels
1st Division: Robuste (80), Pégase (74), Pyrrhus (74), Tigre (74)
2nd Division: Orion (80), Diadème (74), Régénérateur (74), Pomeranius Magnus (74)

>7th Frigate Squadron:
Commander: Rear Admiral Daihachi Shizuka
Victoire (52), Infatigable (52), Surveillant, (40), Atalante, (40)

>11th Light Flotilla:
Commander: Rear Admiral Iesada Terada
Zéphyr (24), Aurore (24), Renard (16), Mégère (16), Inconstant (16), Emeraude (12), Gazelle (12), Furet (12), Sylphe (12), Javeline (12)

>>41234495
The only issue I have with /meat/ is that they have repeatedly not made things clear enough to newfags and other anons about what their state is when they try to make deals with them.

Take Moonafic for example. He was told that /meat/ would join his Golden Circle, and would stop raiding him in present tense, as if they were 100% fine. That's something that is worthy of legitimate criticism and is extremely annoying because instead of explaining their situation at the moment and saying "this would need to be done in the past", they refuse to even mention that part and would go as far as to blame the other party for not realizing that.

>>41193489
>Arctic Kronie Explorer
He is a deadbeat, but he acts independently and got help from kronies due to family connections & money. His expedition happens in 1150s and his main goal is prestige, but also to document custodians which he believes live in Yabathoth. I have written the LAB to have helped him (for a price, naturally) with finding and setting up camp. Ideally I'd want to include mentions of other cultures as well, but i dont know yet. His plan is to prepare the campsite first by himself, and to get accustomed to the north as he foolishly tries to winter there alone, before the rest of his expeditionary group arrives the following spring. The actual composition of the spring expedition is unknown to me as of yet.

>>41203922
I refuse to acknowledge any writer or rep as "Alexander the Great" unless they come to my home and beat me to submission themselves.
>>41204550
OOOOOH that looks fucking good.
>>41215910
Youve dont nothing wrong.
>>41220624
It really is

>>41221162
It sounds nice, and this post really clears up the idea of how the nation works for me.
>>41222134
Lmao, yeah, we have like what, 3-4 potential HREs here currently.

>>41238364
>go as far as to blame the other party for not realizing that
Look up the archives. We have not victim blamed them.

>>41238456
>we have like what, 3-4 potential HREs here currently
Does /meat/ being an EU counts? The EU is just a modern HRE

>>41238468
Even if you didn't, this is a major problem and you guys have to admit that much.

>>41222134
>>41238456
Yeah which is why I don't really want /hlgg/ to become like the HRE too.

>>41238586
It led up to the Q&A session between me and Alice to clear up some confusion.

>>41238662
I've always been of the mind that /hlgg/ should be like the Byzantine Empire

>>41238753
Civil war everytime the emperor does work?

>>41238834
Hell yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45TzDuF5mj8

>>41238456
>beat me to submission themselves
Yea sure, you owe me two bottles of wine anyway, might as well do that while I'm at it.

>>41196220
https://rentry.org/Rumina-Culture
I updated this more! Add local flavour and entertainment!

>>41196155
Suisei History /vtwbg/
>Debut: 2018/3/22 (-2606)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dOyVEls4pg
>2018/7/2: Suisei joined the VTuber agency S:gnal (-2351)
>2018/8/4: Suisei Left S:gnal (-2269)
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1025758283309576192
>2018/11/22: First Original Song, "Comet" (-2044)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cqV5BKJHyk
>2019/3/22: Second Original Song and MV "Tenkyū, Suisei wa Yoru o Mataide" (-1644)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLak0dxBKpM
>2019/5/19: Suisei joined Hololive Productions via INoNaKa Music (-1550)
>2019/7/23: The origin of Psychopath Suisei (-1388)
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1153800366720335873
>2019/11/29: Announces her transfer to Hololive Productions from INoNaKa (-1066)
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1200286537750962178
>2019/12/1: Officially Joins Hololive Productions (-1061)
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1201080938999889922
>2021/1/29: First thread on /vt/ >>30 (Year 0)


I do believe I posted this before but it seems that it was never put on the timeline for whatever reason.

>>41238990
This does sound like the reign of the average HoloEmperor.

>>41221162
>>41222778
>>41223700
>>41223910
>>41224427
>>41230260
>>41231631
So is this gonna be compiled in a rentry?

>>41243337
Sorry, I must have missed it. Will add now.

>>41243254
https://rentry.org/Rumina-Culture
I also just added on to 'Questions and Answers' that should help simple things that don't need a huge section.

>>41243254
>>41245123
Very nice!!! I like how you detailed the differences between them while also maintaining that they are all indeed part of the same culture and people. I also went back and really enjoyed the Questions and Answers section, as it really does make things easier to comprehend when it is provides simple things in short order like clothing, ediquette, and even capital punishment!!!

>>41244484
No issue! Thanks!
>>41245123
Well done, beyond what Alice said I also enjoyed how you are trying to give reasons for why things are different in the sub cultures. That is very important in my opinion.

>>41245416
>>41245588
Thx!! I am glad you both liked it a lot!! Hopefully, soon I can figure out how to get those islands on a map and then make a map of Axia

2 MORE DAYS TO VOTE IN THE ROSTER POLL!
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScTK-LW51FdNWuvgahzbvcELM-sDDMBiYE3Zg9F_UKB_fVc-g/viewform
In other news, for those who weren't aware, /vtwbg/'s anniversary is tomorrow! To celebrate, we will be hosting a set of divegrass matches on Thursday at 17:00 UTC. I'll throw up some links here before it starts. Come cheer us on and grab a slice of cake at the door!

>>41246334
>To celebrate, we will be hosting a set of divegrass matches on Thursday at 17:00 UTC.
Wait generals can host divegrass?

>>41247800
More like we’re “sponsoring” this friendly, I guess? It will still be streamed and commentated by the same people like the last friendly, we’re just providing the occasion for more test matches before the next league.

>>41245123
I really think you did a good job but please remember that this warrior society larp isn't going to work, like ever.

Remember to hug bread dogs.

>>41245804
Oh right, I never corrected those did I? I'll do that in a bit when I get home, same with the nasfaqg map.

>>41238468
gotta work on your wording there partly still because it certainly seems to come across as that sometimes
>>41238679
lovely, but that really does't help people in thread or new people if that is all somewhere buried deep in the archives of /vt/, or worse, the cord or did you create some rentry from that?

>>41196155
More dates for history:
2/8/2018 (-2710) Nijisanji First Wave debuts /2434/
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000003.000030865.html
2/11/2018 (-2703) Nekomiya Hinata Debuts /OG/
3/9/2018 (-2643) Kuzuha Debuts as an Indie. /Indie/
3/15/2018(-2623) Nijisanji Second Wave debuts /2434/
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000006.000030865.html
5/2/2018 to 7/30/2018 (-2501 to -2281) Nijisanji GAMERS debuts /2434/
にじさんじプロジェクトから新グループ「にじさんじゲーマーズ」が活動開始!|ANYCOLOR株式会社のプレスリリース (prtimes.jp)
「にじさんじゲーマーズ」より4名が新たにデビュー!本日より活動開始!!|ANYCOLOR株式会社のプレスリリース (prtimes.jp)
6/3/2018 to 9/25/2018 (-2423 to -2139) Nijisanji SEEDS debuts /2434/
『にじさんじSEEDs』の新バーチャルライバーが登場 発表当初よりもメンバーが増え13名の巨大グループに | V-Tuber ZERO (vtub0.com)
「にじさんじSEEDs」より5名が新たにデビュー!本日より始動!|ANYCOLOR株式会社のプレスリリース (prtimes.jp)
6/8/2018 (-2411) VOIZ debuts /2434/
にじさんじプロジェクトから”初”男性グループ「VOIZ(ボイズ)」がデビュー!!|ANYCOLOR株式会社のプレスリリース (prtimes.jp)
6/9/2018 (-2408) 774's first wave debuts. /774/
7/30/2018 (-2281) Kuzuha debuts into Nijisanji. /2434/

>>41196155
https://files.catbox.moe/yzvvff.pdf
4chan thinks I am spamming so I put them all in here. Acceleration triggers them.

>>41238679
Yet I still see you guys doing this. Is it really that hard to say "Hey, this will be in the past" instead of talking in present tense?

>>41196155
https://files.catbox.moe/4fo5mv.pdf
Last update for today for Nijsanji /vtwbg/ timeline.

This involves ID, IN, KR, and lesser known ventures; also some Iinchou lore dates.

>>41252938
>>41251429
>>41196155
Going to fix some DSW dates since their thing was down....
February 7th, 1047: Birth of Tsunatatsu Ashikaga
February 7th, 1069: Tsukiyama sacked and desecrated.Visions received by Tsunatatsu
May 24th, 1074: Salome is introduced to the world and to Tsunatatsu.
First Seisen was launched formally on March 10th, 1075.
Events of it last till 1078, when Tsunatatsu Ashikaga conquers Tsukiyama and liberates it on the June 7th.

It appears that historically, there would be a crisis of the 4th century in Hololempire and Tsukinode with the turmoil of Coco and Lulu.

>>41253705
Who the fuck is lulu and why are you comparing her to Coco

>>41253705
>coco
>on the same level as lulu
Youre joking right? Sana is more relevant to vtubing over Lulu

>>41253801
>>41253948
Ah, it's like I'm back in Global circa a while back... How nostalgic...

>>41253948
i like the chocolate one but are you being serious? Lulu was one of the biggest nijiJPs ones there is

>>41254731
Sana still more relevant based solely on she was honored to be in Hololive.

I seriously dont know who lulu is.

>>41255521
No, she's more relevant because he tits are bigger.

>>41256027
>>41254731
I actually do remember Lulu and I have to say, I did feel kinda bad that her graduation was utterly and totally overshadowed by Coco, though I must also say that it was also really funny, both at the time and in retrospect.

Oi! Don't bring Sana into whatever the fuck this feud is!

>>41256342
Its really funny someone was forced to graduate over death threats.

>>41258138
Wow anon, that's pretty messed up to say.

Wait does the Corpse of Monoe do the magnet thing because Monoe was a magnet based chuuba or because Monoe got a sticky from her termination? If the latter, shouldn't other really important graduations have a similar effect, I feel like Coco's graduation and it's wave pool ripple effect throughout both the board and most of vtubing as a whole would definitely have some kind of catalog effect.

>>41259710
the so far agreed upon effect of coco's graduation is the extinction of dragons

>>41259710
I think the magnet thing is unrelated to her graduation, but this does bring up the interesting topic of how a sticky is represented... If threads are channels of energy in the catalog, I guess a sticky would be an especially powerful one that is artificially maintained by the higher powers.

>>41245123
Good job! Makes me kinda wanna write something similar too!

>>41260237
I think that's less agreed on and kind of assumed in regards to Holodragons especially since there are other dragon chuubas.
>>41260336
Does anyone remember the full list of stickied graduations? I recall Monoe, Coco, Rushia, and Sana but I don't know if that was it or not.

>>41260237
Only for holo continent. There are dragons in Niji continent for example.

>>41260623
lulu…

>>41260458
Thanks!! I really like your work too!!

>>41261791
Thank you!

>>41196155
Suzuhara Lulu…
5/1/2019 (-1595) Suzuhara Lulu debuts /2434/
8/14/2019 (-1358) Claims Eyeballs can grow backwards and she can drink lava. /2434/
【#でびるる】零クリア 除霊の酒盛り 二日目【ホラゲ耐久】 - YouTube
12/16/2019 (-1023) Path of Carnage in NIJISANJI Imagination Tournament" /2434/
にじさんじライバー妄想トーナメント戦 - YouTube
2/17/2020 to 2/18/2020 (-866) 21 hour stream /2434/
6/24/2021 (364) On her birthday countdown, Lulu announces she will graduate… /2434/
6/30/2021 (379) Lulu Graduates…. /2434/

There are so many moments that I cannot share because she is gone…The Eldritch being herself, I miss her so much in Nijisanji and she was my oshi with Arisu chan until she graduated.,,, I teared up a goodbit trying to get this, but I promise Lulu i will get you a proper sendoff in lore one day…Otsululu

Since I have some downtime I guess I have a few ideas for phases of the bakery. The first phase is getting established. First we need local ingredients from farms. We'll also be testing which recipes we can make using what we have with our ovens. We'll take a loss with our failed recipes that we'll either eat ourselves or give away for charity. Which if a failed recipe is liked we'll add it to the menu. Most of the bakery workers will be working part-time jobs elsewhere either in the mines, farms, or taverns. Only mom and pop will run the bakery full time as pop still has a lot of post construction clean-up. Once we start getting regulars we'll begin planning orders for them. If a local tavern wants us to bake bread in bulk for the night to save time then we can do that. But to start we'll be baking on demand for individual orders.

We'll play it by ear until we become popular enough to expand. We can have family members work the bakery full time but it'd be better to look into hiring locals. Then once we start getting profits we'll look for a trader who can bring us wheat, sugar, and spices regularly. With popularity we can put more bread and goods on the shelf to sell them within day. We can even sell the stale bread for pennies to those who can't afford it fresh. To turn a profit we'll have to be careful not to bake too much.

The first year we'll see what's popular with the season. Then the next year we'll bake according to the season's demands. And once we become popular enough we can start expanding our product line. I'm hoping the first year we'll make enough profit to feed ourselves and pay taxes. We just need to find demand for our bread whether it be traveling merchants or local miners and farmers. The farmers might not want our regular bread but they may enjoy fluffy biscuits or honey glazed berry and nut cakes. We just have to talk to the community and see what they want.

>>41262719
You have had nearly 2 years to mourn, get over it. You don't even speak japanese to appreciate her properly like Sanalites can Sana.

>>41263125
desu most sanallites don't speak aussie either

>>41263168
I wanna know if Kiki's ever made jokes about calling Sana a slur, I know she doesn't pay much attention to /vt/ and the wider dramas but she does have a passionate hate for abos.

>>41262719
Boo hoo, Hope all nijiniggers graduate like she did. Glad she was sent death threats, send them to Hoshikawa and Sasaki next.

>>41262719
You have my condolences. I never knew Lulu but I'm sad to know she's gone. Even once in a while I have to cry for missing Sana.

>>41263125
>>41263168
>>41263601
Drop it you assholes. Graduations still hurt to remember.

>>41263125
Stupid comparison, since we can understand sana just fine. She just was a lazy fake streamer that made up bullshit about how her dog died, or her back hurt. The fact is Lulu was sent death threats and was forced to retire over it while the Spacenigger quit and gloated about it on her PA. OG was cackling when she graduated and so was I.

>>41263860
I still can't watch her on her new account... it ripped my heart out completely so badly that I lost interest in vtubers for 6 months.

So are we going to world build or not?

>>41264085
Give me a topic and I'm pretty sure something will happen

>>41263042
Why not give the stale bread to the poor for free or give free bread to those who cannot pay? Money isn't everything.

>>41264069
Well. I don't really want to get into the debate on who's the better streamer or not. I will say this: regardless of who the vTuber is he or she will always be special to someone out there regardless of what kind of person they are. So when a chuuba graduates you'll always have empathy with me at least. Yes Sana had her faults but she was special to me. And Lulu is special to you. A vTuber will always be special to someone for better or worse.

>>41264366
<3 I never put down anyone's taste. It's about love. Ignore the idiots above.

>>41264366
Bread Man I'm already aware of the universal constant of love

>>41264209
This is actually conmon practice among our culture, to show grace to poor is a sign of kaminess.

>>41264209
Disgusting fucking communist

>>41264771
Sanalites really are jews. No food for the hungry unless they pay.

>>41264954
More jews? Rushians and their promised land larp are jews too, how many jews are we at now? meat jews, nasfaq jews, deadbeat jews, jew jews from idol, kronie jews. Am I forgetting any?

>>41264209
>charity
You missed a word there. Failed experiments will be donated to charity if it tastes good at least. Bread that are inedible messes or burnt are poisonous trash. But sometimes accidents can lead to new recipes. And if they like one of our experiments then that's a new menu item.

For giving away stale bread its complicated. I've been in this situation where I had to dispose of fresh bread instead of give it away. If you give away free bread then nobody will buy your bread. That's the corporate argument. As for us starting out we won't have much money after starting the business. Which is why many family members will work part-time jobs not even for money. Just food sometimes.

I think I'll have a three day rule for fresh bread. If bread becomes stale after two days then its sold on thrift. After the third day the bread is trash. Also to make the best bread possible we need money to buy the best ingredients. If we don't have money to buy ingredients then we can't bake bread. Now we can make preserved bread that will last weeks. However that'll take some ingredients we'll have to import for the best bread.

Plus I think it would be better to teach the poor orphans how to become bakers themselves than to give them stale bread every day. It's the old proverb of teaching a man how to fish. I'll have to ask Hoomans on their opinion about charity and if they have community services.

>>41265357
Just to add onto this. If you were poor and hungry then which would you prefer? Five day old stale crusty bread or freshly baked bread with butter slathered on it. If I were to give away bread as charity then I want it to be fresh bread to lift everyone's spirits.

>>41265357
Remember that being willing to be charitable goes a long way to success locally. Profit wont help you win the hearts and minds.

>>41265021
How is it larp when we conquered it?? That is very real i think. And no, we are charitable to the sick and needy, not jewish…

>>41265452
Sanalite, he said that…

>>41265630
Ruminanon, your lore is really REALLY jewish. The whole things gives off powerful Exodus vibes.

>>41265630
Is just bantz. Also, it's jewish because Israel is the Promised Land, do your jerusalem reps.

>>41265021
I wonder if /jidf/'s still interested

>>41265357
I'm going to remove Sanalites from business if that's how you think. The business will be owned by Hoomans. Sanalites will be the serfs to bake to what Hoomans want.

>41266033
Alright, now to see if nasarep's training is far enough along that he doesn't bite...

>>41265570
>>41265692
I'm operating under the assumption that 100% of funds will go to the business. This means after we build the building and buy the ingredients we're left with no money for ourselves. There are also other community services the Sanalite family can do besides give away bread that's more important. For example they can enlist in the town's militia to train as soldiers. We can also use what we learned about building brick ovens to repair the community ovens. For bread we can volunteer to bake for charity event like Christmas, assuming we have enough ingredients. There are ways to help the community besides giving away free bread. Fixing an orphanage for free and giving them fresh bread is great charity work. It really depends on what resources we have at the time to do it.

>>41265855
Aegbro said he is taking over there.

>>41266702
You are now serfs

>>41266702
I wonder whether there's a Hooman christmas. Most societies have some kind of christmas equinox celebration. Maybe in Holonations it's a celebration of Sora's christmas miracle?

>>41267696
No they are atheiss. No holy days allowed! Only the cult of wisdom!

>>41267982
Baka only schizos are atheists in Vitubia. Rationalism is compatible with religion when the gods are demonstrably real.

I wonder if Alice and her friends could stop shitting up discussions and rigging votes. Would go a long way.

>>41268057
Hooman are schizos then.

>>41266702
I should clarify. By funds I mean the investment to build the bakery in the first place. I need to clean up my business speak.

>>41267696
Could check the lore archive. Sanalite Christmas is space Aussies getting drunk, eating cake, and fist fighting.

>>41268163
What if Nasfaq bought you out? Or the KAG? Hoomen have trade deals with both.

>>41268163
>Sanalite Christmas is space Aussies getting drunk, eating cake, and fist fighting.
Hooman christmas is watching Moom stream and eating potat...

>>41268254
Why is everything you say utterly retarded.

>>41268380
unable to not try and rope someone else into their bullshittery

>>41265779
Mayhaps?? But why does everyone want to be jews then??

>>41268551
Jews are based, they control the world and don't afraid of anything

>>41268551
jews just so happento be associated with all sorts of cool stuff for some reason

>>41268551
No you're getting it wrong.
Everyone wants the power that the jews have but nobody wants to have the weaknesses of their people

>>41268726
>The power of the jews
>The weakness of the jews
that reminds me of a quote...

>>41265357
UH hold on.
>opinion about charity and if they have community services.
Honestly I've not thought about that, but it'd make sense to me that temples and churches would set up their own services to provide charities.
Maybe smaller communities would do the same to help each other survive.
>>41266702
>>41267696
I imagine there would be winter celebrations, I'll try to describe those sometime maybe.

>>41268616
>>41268650
>>41268726
I dont want the power of the jews nor do i wish to be known as vitubias. I want to be my own nation and not pretend to control the world.. we are Axians, and i love my Wife.

>>41268990
Think we already talked about some sort of winter solstice before. It's pretty common across the world so I don't think we need to particularly attached too much mythology for it to make sense.

Also yeah outright charity should be the job for temples and sometimes sponsored by more well off citizens. State benefits and charitable policies like giving away grains from government stockpiles would be a separate thing.

>>41269160
Don't worry, you'll get used to it. It's quite pleasant, being the jews, to be honest.
Plus, it's not like you can uncircumcise your dick. Better accept it.

>>41269160
in this world, its jew or be jewd goyim

>>41269345
>>41269424
Well we are circumcised… but still, no jewry. You all can claim to be them, I dont want to be them.

>>41268990
>>41269260
Can the Sanalite family volinteer their labor for these charities. Also can we volunteer to help repair the ovens assuming we can get the qualifications.

>>41269555
>they actually cut the baby dicks
Ah, you've sealed your fate, akhi. Welcome amongst the Yiddish. You can deny it, but you can't deny your mother's blood, labriut.

>>41269851
Never!!

>>41269555
>>41270020
rumina anon, I don't think anyone else does that to their babies.
You truly are the jews of vitubia.

>>41270128
No!!
We have no love of money or have kosher dishes.

>>41270324
mmm kosher steak and mashed potatoes

>>41270324
>they're jewifying
>they're going through jewification
It doesn't all start at once, you'll succumb to the long nose blood that runs through your veins.
Good luck rumina anon, or should I say jewmina?

>>41269626
Should be able to. I kinda just wrote that religion section in a hurry and didn't really discuss their relationship with communities in detail.

>>41270741
Is there a temple near the trade town next to the /rrat/ border? Or at least a church for services?

>>41270921
Every town should have one.

>>41270921
Aight, since I kinda see that this is becoming just a q&a about anything and everything(which is good mind you), I'd like to pull back a bit, so we don't get lost. What I would like you to do, before anything else, is a floor plan of the bakery. You talked a lot about it yesterday, so I think it would be a good starting point, so we can at least visualize some stuff.

We only circumsise to know who is a believer and who is not. If we are jews, we are jews.

>>41271592
Pretty based ngl. Slay king.

Do risuners have the smallest cocks in the world? 1.5 to 2.3 inches was what was reported by OG

>>41272012
Yes.

>>41271145
Front of the store is a walk in. I do want the bakery inside for sanitary reasons. I'm thinking about five meters by twenty or however wide the building is. Front is going to have bread on the shelf on display to buy. Behind the bakery is the kitchen. On one of the wide walls is at least three brick ovens. The ovens have two rack used to bake multiple racks of bread. A rack can hold four loaves. So eight loaves can be baked per oven. Which means 24 loafs can be baked at a time. Alternatively we can reduce the ovens to two. There's also a traditional brick oven in the corner. Adjacent to the ovens is a steel cooling rack to let loaves cool. There's a table in the middle of the kitchen. One side for mixing. One side for kneading. On the opposite side of the ovens across the table dough is laid to rest before cooking. How bread in the kitchen works is clock-wise. Grab ingredients at 12 o'clock and mix. Rest at 3. Prep at 6. Bake at 9. Then wrap and decorate at 12 o'clock. Which 12 o'clock is next to the store.

>>41272573
Alrighty, that looks like a plan. Now get to drawing my dude!

>>41272920
This. I'm sick of bakeries shitting up the thread.

>>41275149
...you know that a concrete floor plan would only open even more discussion around it, right anonchama?

new bread?

>>41275345
Pink man(the good one) is on it.