/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>4091349
Took you long enough

>>4091378
I'm lost, is this the /morig/

>>4091349
Retards like to say mori is autistic but get angry and shock whe she is being autistic lmao

>>4091349
Most people shit on mori and not on coco right now.
How about, just a suggestion, mori was garbage, ruined one of the most anticipated collaborations and people are genuinely angry at her for fucking up.

>>4091602
No, Mori and her friends are over here >>4091203

>>4091651
the collab was doomed from the get go. the format is not suited to an english speaking audience, let alone an english speaking guest. any collab format other than this would have worked infinitely better.

>>4091349
out of all the holoen bunch, mori probably doesnt give a F about it.

>>409164
I say she is autistic and am angry at her for pushing her own mental Retardation on other talents who are uncomfortable with that.
Is she even self aware of her issues? genuine question.
She should just stop collabs forever.

MORI PREGNANT WITH DRAGON BABIES

>>4091349
We'll revisit this when Coco collabs with one of the three good EN members.

>>4091700
The show suppose to guide the Nip how EOP meme works.

As long as the nip like it then it's ok overall.

>>4091651
why? coz she was so nervous that she can barely function? People get mad for that? Must've happen to u too, bless ur poor soul

>>4091700
Then why didn't Mori try and fix it? It's your stage, you do something about it

>>4091748
>good

>>4091731
I'll admit I wasn't expecting Coco to threaten to rape Mori with the cocock and then invite her to a threesome with the CEO, all on stream.

>>4091770
If I was Mori, I wouild've merely fucked Coco for an hour!

>>4091700
Maybe so, but you know the other 4 would have carried their weight in the collab.
Gura would have bullied chat for overusing flat jokes, Ame would have fake raged at shit memes, Ina would have run out of breath from laughing too hard and Kiara would have straight up shat on the memes for not being funny, all of which WOULD have been funny.

>>4091756
thats the other way around, dumb new fag. its a holo jp introduction for you mutts and spics. look at the comment sections. 90% of those are eops.

>>4091349
You didn't realize it when they started acting as if they've watched EVERY Mori stream and were acting shocked and appalled that Mori would EVER act nervous in front of a new audience like she hasn't done this a dozen times previously?
This is just another "How do you do fellow 4channers" raid. I don't know if it's from Zhang, antis, or discorders, but it's fucking annoying that they think that we can't see straight through them.

>>4091700
Most of the people who watch it are english speakers.
Shocking for you to learn this, newfriend-chama. I know.

>>4091651
You only think Mori is garbage in this if you haven't watched a single one of her streams.

>>4091700
Yes! We want some VShojo Content!@

>>4091349
Mori looks really autistic in OP's pic, and I love her.

>>4091651
How was the collab ruined? Coco was funny as fuck. I enjoyed it. Morifags are just in shambles about their goddess looking bad next to someone who's actually witty and entertaining.

>>4091349
>an uptick in anti behaviour is the chinabugmen

nah; that's just how this place operates. No need to blame the bugmen for it. This place is a shithole

Is it really so hard to believe that your oshi made a mistake and people with little/no investment in her see her for the easy target for mockery that she is? please be reasonable anon

>>4091349
not a zhang, not an anti, i just like watching deadbraps seething, their replies are as mature as their oshi's music

>>4092327
Except we're not? Mori's acting exactly like we knew she would and we all laughed about it.

>>4091349
It's pretty obvious, they post like they have never seen a mori or coco stream before

>>4092483
Seething at what?

>>4092483
All her music are less than a year old though? Are you saying deadbeats are a bunch of pacifier wearing babies?

>>4092483
Seething at.. an enjoyable collab where both people acted exactly as they expected and their oshi was caught on hot mic saying she enjoyed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTTnA4MQkg0&t=3629s
No one is buying it, Zhang. The only thing people are seething about is the fact there are all of these dog eaters false-flagging to attempt to tear our fanbase apart.

You may shut up, now.

>>4092462
Because she didn't make a mistake, this is exactly what everybody thought would happen. What mistake is there in her being the same person she is when she's streaming by herself?
If she started rapping and acting like a stacy, THAT would have made people more suspicious than acting like a cute stuttering wreck.
Please be reasonable, anon. Or at least pretend that you know something about either of them before you start slinging shit.

>>4091349
>coco has given deadbraps a get out of jail for free card by collabing with mori
Holy shit I fucking love this bitch

>>4092512
Oh, that's cool of you, nevermind then!

>>4092768
>calli did nothing wrong
I concede, you have a point. all she did was repeat what she's demonstrated in her solo streams and other collabs. to have expected otherwise was folly on my part
still super easy to shit on, tho

>>4091349
Ya it was pretty cringe. But it had it's moments. Over all, Mori and Kiara are the weakest members of EN so I wasn't expecting too much.

>>4091349
I see what's going on now. The chinks sabotaged the collab by drugging Calli! They knew there'd be a lot of drama if Calli was barely coherent in the collab and just wanted it to end.

>>4092746
>enjoyable collab
stopped reading here

>>4092867
Didn't ask, chink. Go get crushed by an elevator.

>>4092867
I had fun watching it and i fucking woke up to it.

Coco bullying Calli for an hour was great

>>4092327
Nigga, mori fags loved the collab, it's spergs that always hated her jumping up and down screaming that every needs to hate her because she's a sperg, which is why her fans like her.

>>4091349
Except most people shitting on Mori are praising Coco at the same time. Coco was fucking great, she called out Calli for being a lifeless bore. The collab was entertaining only because Coco gave Calli some much deserved bullying.

>>4091349
>anything i dont like is zhang

>>4092936
China lives rent free in your head

Unironically take your meds

>>4091349
chinks are always around coco. around chinks, never relax

>>4091349
Don’t know why “zhang” instead of ‘ChiComs.’

>>4093199
It is not like Mori was in anyway offended so i don't understand why people are overreacting.

>>4093199
Makes it more believable to the naïve anon.

>>4091349
cute art

>>4093357
You have no idea how Mori felt. None of us do. Of course she's putting on a good face, but that may or may not be her true feelings. Regardless, I very much enjoyed someone finally calling her out for her autism.

being bullied by a coworker you barely know is different from being bullied by a friend, that's straight up disrespect, stop defending bad behavior

>>4093474
If you're performing terribly, you need called out on it.

>>4091651
>Most people shit on mori and not on coco right now.
>Chinkbot spam is back to being as prolific as ever in Coco's roommate's stream
I think not.

>>4093443
>I very much enjoyed someone finally calling her out for her autism
So now that it happened, what now?
What did this accomplish in your opinion.

>>4093474
lol how can you be this fucking fragile. the bully happens in holo jp from day one like kanatas first tostu machi stream got zero guest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEeMwOzf6e8

a bunch of whiners and crying bitches who cant keep up with jp humours. no wonder though because mutt comedy is dead due to "inoffensive" woke bullshit.

>>4091763
she's literally paid to do this shit and it's not like this was the first stream ever in her life.

If after a year of practice this is the best you can put out, then perhaps a re-evaluation of career choices is in order.

>>4093581
Maybe Calli will review the stream and find ways to improve. Maybe not. But either way it's better than saying nothing while she continues to be a drag.

>>4091885
I've always not liked Mori in collabs and thought she was a drag. It's been getting a little better though.and I think the last ITT collab, she loosened up around the halfway point and it was actually fun and that Mario Party ripoff was decent too. This just reminded me of what I disliked about her from a collab standpoint so it was kinda fun to see her get absolutely grilled by Coco for doing her usual one-line replies and uh ums over and over while trying to shirk out of the conversations.

>>4091349
I hope this is parody

>>4093691
the tabletop collab is when, on tuesday? we'll see how much effort she'll put into being more than a cardboard cutout during the collab. Especially since she's being a dm

>>4091953
the pink cat is coming for your oshi anon, and there is NOTHING you can do about it

>>4093739
I'm really looking forward to it. The two things that can bomb the collab is if Mori doesn't take the lead and direct conversation/table talk like a DM should or Kiara treats this like a regular stream and tries to any and all dead air.

>>4093726
I'm sorry, this thread isn't about your life.

>>4093739
Not disagreeing with you but your ESL is showing. You're making us antis look bad.

>>4092768
her mistake is joining hololive in the first place, she's not wired properly for live, unscripted performance

>>4093711
>she loosened up around the halfway point
That is her in most of collabs. If that Coco collab would have gone maybe little bit longer she probably would have relaxed a little bit.
Anyway Mori is collabing with Coco again so we see how it goes.

>>4093845
你妈妈死了在地狱里吸鸡巴

>>4093854
>your ESL is showing
As it should be, English natives are embarassing

>>4093854
>us antis
fuck off weirdo

>>4093406
> I want to shit on someone, so I praise them to make it believable that I'm not shitting on them

meds

>>4093891
Most collabs are not very long though Anon...

>>4092327
Basically this, Coco proved once again they she's one of the best entertainers in hololive.

>>4093474
I mean, you gotta get some content out of the bitch, otherwise she'd just mumble incoherently for the whole hour and people would leave.

>>4092803
Yeah, that's the current cope deadbraps tell themselves to deflect - No, it can't be that people actually think their precious oshi is objectively an absolute drag: because it was a Coco collab, therefore anybody criticising Mori MUST be a chink anti!!! (To see how stupidly untrue this is, one just needs to see the following: Wouldn't chinks rather criticise Coco the most? Instead, you rather see everyone who criticises Mori also PRAISE Coco on how hard she tried to carry the reapers wet blanket ass and provide some entertaining banter).

I wonder what the deadbraps' excuse will be when (not if) the next non-Coco collab happens that Mori invariably also drags down, and who'll get blamed by them as an "anti" then.

>>4093474
Oh no, poor widdle miss tough girl reaper rapper can't take a little dish, maybe she should request her next model change be a wet blanky.

>>4094036
At this point I'm not even sure if people like this genuinely have bad English or are doing it on purpose to put the blame on a bunch of ESLs. Again, not disagreeing with you. It's just hard to take people who makes the most basic mistakes like these seriously.

>>4091651
>most anticipated collaborations
anyone who was exited for this is a fucking retard.
since it was anounced i posted several times that anything else besides the reddit review could have been a fun collab(not that i would have watched it either way since i hate cringe). one of the main points of the review is to explain the memes to holos who don't get it and with ENs thats just gone.

>>4094036
But do you actually want her to get better or is it just excuse to shit on her?

This thread reads like the english section of a third world country forum for downloading cracked pc games.

>>4094202
She could do a reverse (non-reddit) meme review where she explains JP memes to EN members.

>>4091819
Based Dragon giving Reapers apprentice the Cocock. If she nails this, her celestial position will fucking skyrocket. Going full Wu Kong with a side of cringe.

>>4094297
that could be fun. i hope Coco at least considers it. Then again no idea if it would work with Chicken since she might be browsing jp memes all on her own.
anyway everything is better than Meme review in my opinion

>>4094207
Little of both. Having her drag down a lot of past collabs was infuriating especially seeing 0 callouts about her and nore heat put on her collab partners. I hope one day she can come in to a collab and be 'on' in less than 45 minutes, but only time will tell.

>>4094297
I think that she tried to get this going with that JP meme shitpost hashtag but it just didn't catch on well enough, so now we just get one or two some streams

>>4091349
>Mori shits the bed and makes a complete ass out of herself
>it's clearly only Chinese shills who are upset
Your excuses are almost as pathetic as her performance was.

>>4094752
You might need to get your sarcasm filter checked out there.

>>4091349
Mori was easy to ignore until she did this collab. Now that she's not as easy to ignore, the way people feel about her is coming out.

>>4094202
I don't think it was JUST it being a memereview stream that was dragging it down.

Coco and Mori could've had for example a Super Bunnyman collab, and it probably would've went equally flat.

See the infamous 66 minutes collab that Coco had with Moona to show that even Coco can't work magic and extract entertainment out of hardcore autists.
And similarly the SBM collab Mori had with Rikka shows that she's always this stilted with new people, so it was not JUST Coco being too overbearing or anything, pretty much any other partner would've also gotten this kind of boring appearance from her.

Mori CAN be good, but (because she's not a natural entertainer, and doesn't really make the effort to improve) it is dependant on so many factors that it happening is as rare as having the stars align:
>She must know the partner for long enough to be comfortable around them, which takes weeks if not months.
>The collab must have gone on long enough so that she is finally "warmed up", which often takes at least more than one hour.
>She must be well awake in her timezone, so not too early that she's still wake-up cranky or too late that she's already tired (or not beaten up by her various side-works she rather prioritizes), because, to circle back on the lack-of-effort thing, she cannot be arsed to at least FAKE some enthusiasm even just out of courtesy)
If all of these conditions are met, you CAN get the occasional good Mori collab out of her, as she has shown very rarely, so it's not like it's totally unreasonable (because she's not actually incapable) for the audience to expect better from her and demand improvement. That is, unless you're the type of these brainless reddit-hugbox tier "fans" I see posting cope now about their oshi is already perfect and can do no wrong.

>>4095258
>And similarly the SBM collab Mori had with Rikka shows that she's always this stilted with new people
But her first Rikka collab was great.

>>4095258
>so it's not like it's totally unreasonable (because she's not actually incapable) for the audience to expect better from her and demand improvement
Posting it here doesn't work though. If you want her to see it post it on twitter or youtube comments.

>>4094752
Your attempts to fit in are almost as pathetic as the people who think this wasn't what actual fans wanted to see, chang.

>>4095258
>I don't think it was JUST it being a memereview stream that was dragging it down.
could be. like i said i don't watch the reaper so fuck if i know how she handles other collabs. this was still a really shitty combination

>>4095325
I also liked the first collab more, probably because they were doing an activity they both could relate to very much (making music, singing some favorite songs, etc.), so they were more in their element and connected, which made the collab feel less cringe than otherwise. By contrast, the second collab felt much more stilted like a "first meeting", they just focused on the game (and by playing it "right", they were playing it "wrong", i.e. not even having fun griefing each other like so many other Holos do in this game, rather they were really reserved) , with minimal extraneous commentary, honestly the whole thing felt somewhat like a chore obligation they had to get over with just to announce the release of their song together at the end.

>>4095454
Deadbrap cope is even more pathetic than Mori's social skills.

>>4091349
Watson is going to be a lot worse collab partner. If this is truly a Zhang raid they'll do the same thing to Ame as well.

>>4094752
>>4097421

>>4097464
Every threads that you see about morifags against cocofags are prolly made by Zhangs

>>4096355
I really wish that collab would have just been zatsudan.

>>4095258
Ultimately, Calli has too much respect for her Japanese senpais to be anything other than polite and reserved around them, except maybe if it's a singing collab. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but the collab has to be set up with that in mind. You can expect her to suddenly enter into a freestyle rap battle with Fubuki for example, she's just not going to do it.

>>4097464
Watson is fine. I enjoyed the Fish Tank stream a lot

>>4098194
Then that's a problem with Jchad mismatching Mori's collab partners. Should we throw the amazoness onto the fire, or do you want to keep passing the buck?

>>4094207
I do want her to get better. No one is saying she should be graduated over this or whatever her "defenders" like to make up as ridiculous strawmens to deflect honest criticism of her non-presence in this particular collab. I don't really care what she does in her own streams, she can keep being a lame autismolord if never getting out of her comfort zone is what she wants, and I can keep ignoring it (I wouldn't complain about a solo stream of hers that I didn't like, because those are easy to avoid), but when she actually also drags down the streams of other holos that I like more than her, I'll say my mind about it.

I don't even know what's the basic problem with that, we're not the reddit hugbox where only nauseatingly forced positivity is allowed. I'm not arguing that you aren't entitled to think that stream was absolutely amazing, if that's your opinion, and you shouldn't take it personal that other people here thought otherwise and don't share your opinion. I'm also not purposefully going into the /morig/ thread to shit it up with insincere troll baiting, because I respect that this is the place for her fans and not where the discussion with people who don't think Mori is the best thing since sliced bread should take place. But the rest of the board is free range and not your hugbox.

>>4097569
>No it can't be that regular people think Mori is unfunny cringe, my oshi is perfect and can do no wrong!
>What can I do to deflect and cope? Ah, it was a Coco collab, therefore they MUST all be chink antis! Ha, that's it, now I can dismiss them easily and don't have to confront the fact that they may have a point, lucky me.
>Nevermind the cognitive dissonance for that rationalization to work, because actual chinks would never praise Coco, whereas everyone who criticized Mori is also pointing out how much Coco hard carried the collab.
>And what will I do when Mori invariably shits the bed in the next non-Coco collab as well AGAIN, which group of bogeymen will I accuse others of being then?

>>4098232
When is Watson going to learn proper Japanese?

>>4098591
So has there been any collabs with Mori in it that you actually liked?
>And what will I do when Mori invariably shits the bed in the next non-Coco collab as well AGAIN
Well it is last ITT stream tomorrow but those have been good at least in my opinion.

>>4092746
This. It was the first meme review that I actually enjoyed watching, instead of skipping through to see what shitty memes Coco picked this week.

The difference between this and any other cringe hololive collab is that both were self-aware and taking advantage of it.

If you little sensitive fags got triggered by it or think it was legit bullying just watch the last Kanata/Coco/Lamy/Botan MH collab were they roleplay and invert roles and it's Lamy and Botan acting as the senpais who are bullying their kouhais, they kept this up for nearly 2 hours by the way.

TLDR: It was fine and they had fun knowing it was cringe, no need to come up with narratives.

>>4099364
Keep seething nigger, I thought it was funny

>>4099019
just from recency, I liked the collab Mori had with Ina (doot doot), she wasn't so much of a clamped up sperg and had fun and involved herself in conversations. Some recent Gura collabs were also nice because they had a cute almost big/little sister dynamic (or some call it bro's) going.

So I know Mori CAN be good (or at least not as bad as she is in her worst collabs, of which the last one was another contender), but it has to be under very specific circumstances so that her autistic ass can be accommodated.

She needs to have known the partner long enough to be comfortable having an actual noncringe conversation. She also needs some streamtime to "warm up", usually it takes her at least around an hour of streamtime to get going (so it would be nice if they could get that done in a bts pre-talk beforehand instead of only working it out on stream and wasting precious minutes). And most importantly, it needs to cater to her timezone, because she WILL make it obvious when it's too early for her (grumpy) or too late (tired), or she's distracted by overwork of her sideprojects she prioritizes more than entertaining streams.

>Coco completely obliterates Mori during their collab
>retard OP wonders why people are talking about it

>>4094752

>board has non-stop shitposting 24/7 and schizophrenic drama over literally anything
>must be china

>>4099963
>And most importantly, it needs to cater to her timezone, because she WILL make it obvious when it's too early for her (grumpy) or too late (tired)
She's in Tokyo just like Coco is, so that's not a valid excuse.

>>4099997
>Coco completely obliterates Mori during their collab
And it was funny but people are trying to make that it ruined Moris and Cocos friendship and they will never collab again even when Mori talked afterwards that she is already planning another one.

>>4091349
Did bugs really think they can make this board any shittier?

>>4100150
No, we're just saying she got called out during the stream by her senpai about how fucking shit she is at collabing. Mori (probably) won't take it personally but she should be aware that her usual character is not something most people want when she's collabing with their favorite vtuber.

>>4100150
? No one is talking about ruined friendships or never collabing again, just because people point out that Mori was pretty lame in this first collab and want her to improve. >We're all for collabing again, even just because hopefully the ice is now broken and she can at least somewhat talk back, so it will hopefully be better than last time.