/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>40973448
How do you know?

>>40973490
In japan it's pretty hard to find vegan options because everything that doesn't have meat might have katsuobushi(dried fish flake) or pork in the soup stock or sauce. So all the really fun restaurants and foods are out of bounds which is a downer on parties

You don't make friends with salad.

>>40973490
He was there, surely.

vegans are retarded

dont change my mind

>>40973490
The fact that watame had no idea that veganism was a thing and that imitation meat exists makes me suspect that restaurants offering vegan options are rare and that the places they could go to probably required reservations.

>>40973890
based japan

>>40973448

>>40973890
>So all the really fun restaurants and foods are out of bounds which is a downer on parties
Yeah that sucks. If I was in a similar situation I would've just separated from the group for few hours each day

>>40973890
Japan is famous for tofu and vegetarian cuisine.
Vegans are not welcome anywhere, not even in Japan.

>>40975610
yes, vegetarian is fine, vegan is not

>>40973448
I am glad people are waking up about Fauna's insane cult lifestyle. Vegans should be actively shunned from all social gatherings and restaurants when they start talking about their cult to try and convert people.
>No, we have zero vegan meal options for you tonight and nobody is interested, stay hungry or fuck off.

>>40976238
People are just waiting for the kronii collab. They'll forgot all about this on sunday.

Vegans are mentally ill

Why do people care so much about someone else's life choice that doesn't affect them at all?

>>40980790
It affects my oshi so that means it affects me

>>40980937
But your oshi obviously doesn't care, everyone who has talked about Fauna has been nothing but positive about her and the food they tried, so why are you so obsessed??

>>40976238
I hate vegans with all my being but that's not enough to consistently hate Fauna.

>>40973448
veganism is a mental illness and sign of one's hubris

So Fauna won't even enter a restaurant that serves meat? It's not enough to order some salad and tofu for herself? Does she know she's friends with people who eat animals?

>>40981522
see >>40981326
glad she left early so people could actually enjoy themselves

>>40981522
>So Fauna won't even enter a restaurant that serves meat
Source?

>>40981687
>?

>>40981858
Then was the point of the rest of the post?

>>40976118
There's a difference?

>>40982038
Yea
Vegetarians don't eat meat because for whatever reasons
Vegans think they're above the natural order, above the ecosystem, they don't use animal products, as in anything that had the help of animal, but even that's a vague definition, because "we live in a society", everything can and will be traced back to some form of animal influence, so vegans really ought to just stop doing anything

>>40982038
vegetarians still consume some products derived from animals such as eggs, cheese or milk
vegans do not, which means their options are incredibly restricted

>>40973448
What is with brown skinned hut dweller shitting on fauna lately. Are they seething because she turned down food their poor asses can't afford because they have no other choice but to camp restaurants dumpster for pagpag mats or what lmao

>>40973448
Wow it's like you were never here.

>>40982038
vegetarians dont eat meat, vegans dont eat anything that uses anything of animal origin
so for example vegetarian will eat eggs or cheese, vegan will not

>>40982222
I dunno why anyone would hate Fauna, she is like the least controversy prone member of holoEN and seems to get along well with everyone and genuinely have fun streaming

>>40973448
Hey guys, Bae here. Bruh. Can confirm, we were just waiting for that vegan downer to leave so we can start the fun stuff. Here's our schedule for the next week

Today: hot dog eating competition
Tommorow: fishing
Monday: safari hunting
Tuesday: burger eating competition
Wednesday: whale hunting (don't tell the cops)
Thursday: DIY leather wallet making
Friday: poisoning stray cats and dogs
Saturday: watching bull fights
Sunday: sushi eating competition

>>40982222
homos deflecting their yab

>>40981016
Because it kills muh immersion of muh CGDCT because they won't be doing any girly thing for me!

>>40982344
ew, get out faggot
stop brining up your homos everywhere

>>40982344
You're the one hating on somebody because they don't eat meat schizo. Please drop your raft on yourself and die

>>40981016
Of course she cares, anyone would because it’s inconvenient
But of course she won’t outright say that having to play along with Fauna’s eco-taliban shit was a pain in the ass

>>40982412
>>40982415
i knew it, they are already here

>>40982344
>Yab
What yab?

>>40982496
yeah, they were here the moment you entered the thread with your faggot ass

>>40982496
Yes we are, and we'll fuck all your oshis and make you watch cuck.

Gentle reminder that veganism can be corrected through rape but being born of a Jewish mother cannot be corrected. Fauna is a Jew. She will object to using a utensil that has touched meat but won't hesitate to drink the blood of Christian infants sacrificed to Satan. Don't forget that.

>>40982616
Incel mindset 101

>>40982576
>3 faunas vegan threds
>each of these threds is alive in a different period, this was dead for 3h
even if it's not (you) can see it's another discord raid

>>40982038
Like other anons said, Vegetarians are just people that don't eat meat for whatever reason while Vegans are the ones that avoid anything that comes from an animal, this is much worse than what you might think of initially because you gotta keep in mind that Vegans avoid EVERYTHING that comes from an animal, whatever it's oil, soup, meat, leather, tonics, anything you can think of and they go as far as to completely avoid any place or brand that works with animals at all, it's beyond retarded.

>>40982496
Mommy! Vegan scary!! Pls come back for milk!

UUOOOOHHHH child anon needs correction

>>40980790
>that doesn't affect them at all

Because they don't stop there you dumb retard, just like faggots getting married if you allow ONE single thing these bastards will take your fingers, your arm and your whole fucking existence to fuck you over, these are the faggots pushing for YOU to eat bugs and to own nothing, putting their voice and money on politics and whatever marketing campaign is the current hip trend to support

>>40982916
Actually i wrote this
>>40982222
And got called a tempus homo might as well larp as one of them then

>>40980790
Vegans think theyre better than normal people and want to push their lifestyle as a matter or policy AND economy
Dishonest prick

>>40983220
Go back to /pol/

>>40983220
>all X want you to be X
no

I know plenty of vegans and none of them are as obnoxious as they are in the memes. And I don't exactly live in the most vegan friendly place on Earth, but never was interracting with them a problem for me. Though I still have no clue how they, well, exist.

>>40982201
Sounds like you're jealous of them

>>40982038
Vegans refuse to swallow

>>40983638
Your mom refused to swallow too and here you are now shitposting your life away in 4chan horrible decision sea monkey.

>>40982038
They aren't even remotely the same. Vegans have to have internal debates on whether or not it's acceptable to use sugar because the process of making it includes bone char which is not ultimately present in the sugar but was still used to make it. Devout vegans cannot use it but vegans like Fauna who can't make up their mind likely do compromise and normal people making food for vegans would literally never even think about shit like that.

>>40983341
>>40983690
>No arguments so all they can do is petty mockery

Every single time

>>40980790
>doesn't affect them at all?
It does when it completely eliminates 90% of your options when going out

>>40975610
Just because they use vegetables and tofu in cooking doesn't make 99.9999% of their foods vegetarian, let alone vegan. Earlier comments were correct in that almost everything has non-veg foodstuffs in it. The only place you're going to get vegan food is in a temple. A good chunk of Japanese social activities revolve around food, so just being vegan is enough to make it nigh impossible to socialize, especially as a tourist.

>>40983727
Oh look the sea monkey mocking people is angry he's being mocked lmao what a fragile little man you are.

>>40973448
Agreed. Vegans ruin everything.

>>40985702
Since fauna ruins everything i supposed you idiots will not have a problem if she collabs with her male counter part in tempus right?

>>40973448
I feel sorry for anyone who is going to marry Fauna

>>40989110
don’t feel sorry for me

>>40983638
why? human semen is vegan along with anything else harvested from a consenting humanamusingly consentual cannibalism is vegan

>>40981016
Polite people are generally not gonna tell the internet how annoying a person someone is, doesn't mean they don't feel annoyed,

this is just another sapling deflection thread
the reason they were avoiding her and are now having fun after she left has nothing to do with vegan shit, it's because she took her boyfriend with her.
anyone who went out with her while she was there is therefore confirmed to also have a boyfriend.

>>40973448
That's a shame if true. She seems likeable otherwise.

Bae avoided her because she's a miserable, jealous cunt.
The JPs just didn't want to hsng out with someone who mogs them all.

>>40989843
>voices in his head told him that.

>>40982201
Vegetarians are based, vegans are insane people that need to be executed by the state

>>40980790
Because it affects you when you're tying to organize a nice meetup with your friend group at a restaurant or something and ONE person out of the group can't eat 70% of the menu and it's not even out of something they can't control like celiac disease or severe allergies.

>>40982038
She can't eat anything that casts a shadow.

>>40990376
They could've simply not invited her. Yet they still did fuck off retard.

>>40981522
She'll enter the restaurant but it won't be fun for her if she has to order a basic salad wherever they go. This limits the options for where the group can go together for a fun outing.

>>40990223
yes

>All they have is that she's vegan
Rumao

>>40982292
Oh theres definitely a reason, since debut

>>40990478
Because they had to

>>40973890
Sometimes the rice isn't vegan because they use a bone charring method for whitening.

Fauna sexualized the cow thing, and seeing that vegans don't like the dairy industry... she's obviously a moderated vegan, not a "cultist" like polfaggots say

>>40975610
Even their vegetarianism is suspect. They'll include fish.

>>40984085
Even then the monks in Japan consider dairy okay so watch out vegans looking for temple food.

>>40991381
Buddhist monks are vegeterian not vegans
Of course they don't mind dairy

>>40973448
Why did she off-collab with Gura?

>>40985883
Of course I wouldn't mind if she collabed with me.

>>40973448
I went vegan because of fauna. In 50 years we'll look back at the choice of eating meat eating like we do at choosing to own slaves...

>>40982344
a good percentage of /mans/ posters also watch fauna so i find this highly unlikely

The vegan in question:

The same vegan in question

The vegan in the same question

>>40991315
What does humans cumming on cows have to do with the dairy industry?

omaygot Ambatukaaaaaaam ooooooooooo

nigger sisters... it's over

Confirmed that gay porn anon is a vespie

>she rather make content involving (you)
>sisters are mad for boring off collabs

>>40991914
A luxury only aivalable to the rich?

>>40990877
Nope not really all baelz had to do was go with mumei alone to japan but instead decided to ask fauna to come with them. Knowing damned well she's a fucking vegan karen.

>>40973490
OP is Axel. He hates Fauna for ignoring homos.

>>40993221
Op is probably vesper axel is too dumb to make thread to rile up people like these topics. Plus vesper is a 4chan old fag if anyone understand how this site operates and which buttons to press its him lol

Reminder that vegans have the smelliest farts.

wtf?

>>40994191
well well well, another /here/ fag

>>40994191
? What is concerning you about this?

>>40982222
American culture ruined everything

>>40990376
She's annoying, really

>>40982222
but enough about yourself

>>40996209
Brown skinned pag pag eater spotted.

>>40980790
Because the way many vegan people behave, they *do* affect others too much and make themselves into annoying assholes.

I was strictly vegan for a short while, but soon I realized the error of my ways and became "mostly vegan." This means I won't buy meat or animal products for myself, because I'm convinced it's the right thing to do. But I will still go to any type of restaurant or dinner I'm invited to and I will choose something among the food they have, without complaining or trying to convince others they are living wrong.

my opinion on Fauna went from neutral to hard negative after this japan trip.

>>40973448
Is she actually vegan? That must be a nightmare in Japan

>>40973448
Is it spiking? Isn't it just that Bae and Kiara are extroverts who speak japanese?

>>40976238
>I am glad people are waking up about Fauna's insane cult lifestyle.
idk this weird crusade against veganism the past few days has felt way more cultish and in-your-face than any vegan's ever been to me. please tell us more about why it's insane and immoral though, we're all dying to hear your thoughts.

>>40973448
Poor Fauna. I wonder if she knows that.

>>40982222
Kek!

>>40973448
But Mumei left with her and Baelz was gonna stay for a while anyway. Kiara? Who cares? Probably none of them wanted much to do with her.

>>40976238
Who hurt you?

Crazy how you guys claim not to be normalfags but can’t help raging at Fauna because she dared to not personally conform to an entrenched societal norm. Literal NPC brain shit where you hate someone for having a value system outside the mainstream.

>>40996756
Since everyone is /here/ she does now.

>She thinks that "vegan" food she ate didnt have milk, eggs, and duckfat in it
oh NO NO NO NO vegansisters...

>this thread again

>>40982311
Fauna can't have ice cream or cookies/pastries either since everything has butter, egg or milk in them. If you take her to a café she can drink black coffee or tea and that's about it.

>>40981522
She legitimately won’t even eat from a spoon that touched meat

>>40973448
Whatever you say axel

>>40973890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfwgbMrffOE

Remember when Fauna ducked out of Gura's big brain games because she was too scared of appearing dumb? It's because she desperately needs to constantly feel superior to everyone else around her. Being vegan is also just another opportunity at feeling morally superior.

>>40997607
Do you think she feels morally superior to her cat when she feeds it meat?

>>40997711
Yes

Japan is not a country to practice veganism. Literally everything has fish or beef.

>>40980790
it's too much to explain but vegans became anti human and they are always into weird shit

>>40997711
Has she confirmed that she feeds it meat? There are insane vegans out there that mistreat their pets by trying to make them vegan too.

>>40997229
>IF YOU'RE NOT A VEGAN YOU'RE A NORMALFAG
lmao

>>40997711
She does literally own her cat, veganism notwithstanding

>>40997874
Unless the vets are making the decision to feed snail expensive vegan cat food yes i believe she does feed snail meat, because she gas mentioned that his food is formulated for his health as well as clovers

just search tokyo on happycow and there’s a shit ton of options. ngl it’s funny that fauna’s so non controversial you fucks have to use her diet to make up drama about her

>>40997940
Not what I said. Granted none of the things you guys are bitching about are things fauna said either, so I shoulda seen that coming.

>>40981016
>>40982351
>>40982481
>>40989768

Obviously they wouldn't say it outright and especially not on stream but clearly there was some frustration. The only time it slipped out on stream was here(especially Mumei):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s1Wb0z1M1M&t=2636s

>F: You used your spoon on your rice
>M: We just ate from the same ----
>F: No but you had meat on your spoon
>B: No no no we used a different spoon so we wouldn't contaminate it
>M: You could get like the edges, like just don't get the rice there if you're really concerned

>>40980790
Fauna is cool.
But veganism especially from a Marxist perspective is super cringe. To expect people of the working class to live on plant based diet is an extremely ignorant and privileged view. Look at people in the 2nd and 3rd world where their village will share their one goat a week. Are you gonna tell those people to starve to death.
The world does not have the material means as of now for everyone to be on a plant based diet.
There's a reason it's pretty much only a thing in the imperial core of the world.

>>40973490
Even Fauna herself said she had 'Paris Syndrome' while visiting Japan. Clearly it wasn't that fun for her. Hopefully she doesn't tag along next time.

>>40998181
>The world does not have the material means as of now for everyone to be on a plant based diet.
True for 3rd world countries but in developed countries the majority of land used as pasture for animals is arable for crops, resulting in net less food production by the land use and use of plant feed. Like most marxists your claims are factually inaccurate and deceptive.

>There's a reason it's pretty much only a thing in the imperial core of the world.
Veganism sort of. For normal vegetarianism though, over a third of people are vegetarian in places like India. And more were historically before western influence eroded historical buddhist/hindu traditions, etc. Pretty absurd claim there when vegetarianism is thousands of years more original to non-western cultures than to western society.

>>40998147
>you're making excuses
even mumei said it. shes just making excuses to avoid eating natto...

>>40997229
can't wait for them to start shitting on nickelback and ugg boots too, very controversial and original opinions.

>>40999225
if those are 'excuses' then that means she considers them valid reasons to not eat something regardless. Also she likes natto but had autism about eating it the right way

>>40998905
I said veganism is only a thing in the first world vegetarianism has been a thing for a long time.
You think the imperial core would switch their meat production to plant production in order to feed 3rd workers? As I said the material conditions for global veganism are not possible yet. They may one day but we are no where near close to that.

>>40998905
>out of nowhere switch to vegetarians because he knows veganism is indefensible
lmao, typical

>>40999505
>if those are 'excuses' then that means she considers them valid reasons to not eat something regardless
sure, but shes also being extra picky as an excuse. she HAD to have rice and not her rice she set aside for lunch or mumei's contaminated rice. the whole thing is less about her being vegan and more her not wanting to try natto. trying to twist it she was being obnoxious about veganism is disinegnious.
>she likes natto but had autism about eating it the right way
yes thats the meme with trying natto for the first time.

>>40999505
>Also she likes natto but had autism about eating it the right way
she'd never tried it before. watch streams.

You want to know something a while ago I saw a video of a guy conducting a social experiment. He wanted to see how vegans would react if he went to one of their little protests and fed homeless people free hotdogs. Vegan karens were telling him that he can't do what he was doing even called the police on the guy to remove him from the area the cops told them to fuck themselves because the guy wasn't doing anything wrong. Yes Vegan are capable of being inhumane hypocritical pieces of shit themselves they'd would starve somebody out before giving them anything containing meat.

>>40999509
Veganism is not only a thing in the first world. Ironically you only believe that veganism is a result of imperialism somehow because of your colonial western lack of knowledge of other cultures. Read below -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cuisine

And regardless, nobody is arguing to make everyone vegetarian or vegan. But the material possibility of it for people anywhere but goatfucking african shepard villages is not why people choose a specific diet type over another.

All I’m saying is stop trying to fit every issue into your braindead marxist “its cus the west is bad and imperial” framework. It doesn’t magically explain every single issue. It’s just an ideological cop out for actual rational analysis.

>>40973890
I don't know about vegan, but when I was there, I ate at this place that only sell tofu related stuff. Seem like a local specialties place. Noodle with tofu, bean curds, and veggies. Probably the worst meal I had over there

>>40999990
He was under no obligation to feed them hot dogs in particular and it was a rigged situation specifically to humiliate the vegans. In a life or death situation most vegans would both feed others meat and feed themselves meat, but their point is that many of us aren't required by life or death pressure to eat meat, we just do it needlessly for pleasure, and then make up fake scenarios where we're 'forced' to eat meat like going to the store, buying hot dogs, going to a vegan protest, and then seeking out homeless people to hand them to in front of the vegans in order to make them look stupid.

>>40999990
99% of vegans don’t go to protests to begin with. That’s like saying all nigs rape white women and loot stores because a certain portion of criminals do whenever there’s a race riot. Sure those people exist but it doesn’t apply to everyone in their social category. You fell for tiktok-tier reaction bait.

>>41000030
Yeah cuz Japan was never imperialist. Most Buddhists are allowed to consume dairy.
My framework is not "muh imperialism bad" is not the framework for the impracticality of global veganism. Veganism in itself is an idealist concept. Idealist concepts do not work in a material world. One should base their philosophy off of materialism not idealism because we live in the material world.

>>41000030
from wikipedia
>It is vegetarian or vegan
that basically means: the whole diet is vegetarian only some dishes are vegan
>But the material possibility of it
I guess vegan food supplements grow in the wild then, once again you're bringing up vegetarians like it's the same as vegan and nobody but you thinks that

>>41000475
It was an animal rights protest which are held mostly by vegans.

I'm glad Lui was considerate enough to give Fauna a proper vegan meal. That situation could have been an international incident.

>>41001042
>Boohoo the white gaijin didn't get her veggies how the rest of the world will cope!

>>41000827
That’s a bold claim. Even marxism itself intends to affect changes in the material world to make it more ideal. Idealist and materialist ways of thought exist in relation to each other. You can’t just be a materialist with no value system the same way you can’t just be an idealist with no sense of reality. That issue is exactly why people hate marxism for its inherent nihilism and denial of value.

>>41000891
>that basically means: the whole diet is vegetarian only some dishes are vegan
Not accurate. That is true in some cases. But what it means is it depends on the specific time and place. That’s because buddhist cuisine is an extremely wide historical category spanning over numerous cultural manifestations of it and thousands of years. Some instances of buddhist cuisine were fully vegan, others were either-or vegan and vegetarian. The point is that plant based diets including ones excluding dairy/eggs existed as a concept historically before modern times outside of the west, and there were functional buddhist communities of people who were materially capable of choosing to live that way. The religious concept of showing dietary compassion to animals is not originally a western or imperial one.

>>41001296
NTA but that isn't what idealism means to a marxist. Idealism is basically theories of historical and social change that don't relate to social structures or relations, but to the effect of "beliefs" or "reasons" with no reference to those things.

>>41001296
>trying to compare buddhist monks with woke white people
just stop

>Fauna is a mentally ill vegan
>Gura eats McDonalds
if you needed more proof that Fauna is a fake chumbud

>>41001653
Fauna is a bigger chumbud than you are though. Being vegan doesn't prevent her from being a fan

>>41001623
Not an argument. All I’m pointing out is it’s retarded to say a concept began with/only exists in relation to imperialism cus “muh western people bad” when buddhist communities were doing it thousands of years before that. By that logic do you believe it’s only cringe if Fauna is vegan if she’s white? Sounds pretty libtarded to me.

>>41001619
Thanks for the correction.

>>41001653
She bends over backwards no not be that kind of vegan, and succeeds completely.

>>41001781
Prevents her from eating Gura's pussy

I take Beyond Meat and place it in the dry goods section to make the store throw it away.

>>41001170
She would have to turn down the food and JP fans would shit their pants

>>40996555
It's just a matter of accepting that your friends want to eat their shit desu.
I personally don't like seafood and I think its gross and shit but if my friends want to go to a seafood place I'll go there and order some fries or whatever and just hang about

>>41001781
fauna had no idea what george meant when someone brought it up

>>41000943
Most animal rights activists are likely vegans, but in what world do you think most vegans are animal rights activists? Stop melting your brain on outrage bait.

>>41002266
"activist" is a bit much, but are not most vegans vegans as a form of activism?

>>41002367
NTA but that does not mean the reverse is true. I eat fucking meat everyday and still I fight for animals right

>>41002197
The amount of times I had to go to a sushi place and possibly spend 100 bucks because my friends wanted to go instead of a Brazilian steakhouse drives me nuts

>>41002565
Yeah that's true

>>40997711
well, its a cat, so yes

>>40998860
she also said she wants to go back at some point lmao. probably without holoEN members. woman moment

squeeb

>>40980790
/#/ was hyping her up as the best girl in HoloEN and it spread to the catalog as all /#/ does. now there's a backlash because she went radio silent after Bae took a break and Mumei left Japan, and veganism is the easiest thing to attack her on.

>>41003669
its a nice and deserved change of pace from orange and pink woman bad. now its green woman bad.

>>41000463
>Waiting for life or death pressure to eat meat, something humans have been doing since the dawn of time, alongside all omnivores and carnivores.
This is why universalist veganism is stupid. People don't want to choke on salads that taste like shit 24/7. Animal-based foods have complete protein while plant-based foods do not. You can't expect the average citizen to buy all the veggies and nuts and tubers just to get complete nutrition. Vegans should mind their own business while the rest of humanity embrace their omnivorous nature and get better at sustaining both meats and plants as food source.

>>41002934
Watame promised to take her to a maid cafe

>>40999990
Starving the homeless is based

>>41003669
>/#/ was hyping her up as the best girl in HoloEN
wow for once /#/ got one right

>>40973448
what i don't get is how she call herself a vegan but also own cats. there was a major disconnect when she was questioning the ethics of having free roaming deers in nara. i rather be a headbutting deer than a house cat any day of the week.

>>41006119
because cats are cute and having them around makes you feel happy. that's it. if you think her morals go beyond that you're in for disappointment

>>41006119
Both her cats were adopted from a shelter and require special food and treatment, they clearly live a better life with her than in the wild

>>41006119
it's kind of hard to hold a cat against it's will since they're not as dependent as a dog.

>>41006697
>they clearly live a better life with her than in the wild
only because they were institutionalized. by adopting them, she is creating demands for more of their kind. thats like saying it's still vegan to eat roadkill. you can't be a moralist vegan if you think any sort of animal domestication is ethical, especially with her line of thought with the nara deer.
>>41006653
?
it's not hard to lock them inside a small apartment.

>>40973448
They were too busy having sex with Fauna for proper offcollabs. Now that Fauna and her insatiable sexual appetite are gone, they can hang out like normal non-sex having losers. They miss Fauna.

>>40982222
Nice quads.

>>41006119
Not all vegans believe it's immoral to keep pets. A few do, but many vegans think domesticated animals are as consensually and naturally a part of our society as any human.

>>40973490
OP just does

They should have taken Fauna climbing Fujihttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7NuXoxV0AAkrsr.jpg:large

>>40996741
>please tell us more about why it's insane and immoral though, we're all dying to hear your thoughts.
Veganism picks and chooses which life is considered valuable and which isn't. According to vegans anything that exploits an animal is immoral, yet there is absolutely nothing wrong with consuming vegetables. This inherently creates a schism where animal life is deemed sacred while plant life isn't. What then makes animal life sacred? Is it their capacity for pain? For a long time people considered fish to be fine to kill because they believed fish didn't feel pain, simply because they didn't provide the same obvious reactions that animals do. A plant may not cry out in pain when you pluck a leaf from it; does that mean we cannot see sap as analogous to the blood from a wound? Does a plant's wilting after sufficient injury not constitute a loss of life?
At what point does the separation between animal and plant life justify the destruction of that life to serve as produce for human consumption? When an intelligence theshold is reached? Certainly some plants are more intelligent than others; in design of how they grow and seek out nutrients and flourish. (Fungi especially blur the line of intelligence in flora: https://psyche.co/ideas/the-fungal-mind-on-the-evidence-for-mushroom-intelligence )
Do we determine it by the capacity to feel pain? Then what if animals were altered to no longer feel pain from being killed? Would it suddenly make it ok? (Never mind that the first world generally engages in painless killing methods at abattoirs regardless; though this has been set back decades by the increased prevalance of halal savagery.)

There is a degree of arrogance in veganism in declaring that one form of life is more deserving of protection than another, in deciding what elements we should empathise with and in what traits a living being should have for us to pick and choose whether we utilise it for our own means or not. At least when I eat a burger I'm not pretending the cow was more worthy of life than the lettuce plant.

>>40993107
no, the poor could always get offal and other bad bits.

>>41024182
i hope you never reproduce

>>41024182
it's not the pain, it's the consciousness. do you also ask your tools for consent?
vegans are just terrified by the idea that they need to cause harm to exist.

>>41024182
the problem isn't their deaths, it's how they're treated while alive.

>>41024914
>it's not the pain, it's the consciousness. do you also ask your tools for consent?
And you completely ignore that the point was raised of where exactly we draw the line on what does and doesn't constitute consciousness in order to decide which things are acceptable under the vegan banner.
>vegans are just terrified by the idea that they need to cause harm to exist.
And yet their means of existence is subsisting on plant life that they harm to exist. Again, they deem plant life as more acceptable to kill than animal life, because they believe their perception of consciousness to be some sort of divine arbitrator to decide this. Again, fish and fungi both serve as separate challenges to this that were raised, and yet you addressed neither point.

>>41025133
And yet vegans will completely refuse to contemplate the idea of identifying and supporting better treatment practices such as free range eggs, instead opting out of the market entirely and thus providing no actual incentive for better treatment from the standpoint of the industry responsible for processing those animals. No, better to oppose the industry entirely and see it all crumble away, along with any reason to actually keep those animals alive at all. How very noble.

>>40980790
>that doesn't affect them at all?
If you know a person that is vegan and have ever been on any outing with them then it does affect you. Vegan food tastes like shit and I will simply refuse to go out with vegans because I know I'm going to be forced to dine on refuse as a result of their company, which is hardly worth the price of admission.

>>41024542
cry harder and leave this thread then

>>41024182
how do I unsubscribe from your blog?

>>41031271

>>41024182
> halal savagery
It’s been proven that halal methods result in less pain (in fact no pain) that all first world methods combained.

This thread is still going on? What is there one angry vegan arguing with everyone?

It doesn't eliminate anything fun, it literally just restricts the restaurants they can go to.

That said, I do think veganism is annoying and doesn't really solve anything, it's purely a moral standpoint. Animal lives aren't saved by them, they're still bred and killed for others to eat at a slightly cheaper price, that's it. Likewise, their carbon footprint is only an estimated 20% lower than meat eaters. You know what offsets that difference though? Flying literally half way across the globe in a plane.

>>41032072
>Forcing an animal to be alive and conscious as you cut its neck and hang it until it gradually loses consciousness from bleeding to death results in less pain (in fact no pain) compared to first world methods such as stunning the animal to render it unconscious first before sticking it or killing it instantaneously instead
The fact that you thought so little as to believe the garbage you just spouted for even a second makes me hate you immensely.

Attention faggots in this thread: natto is disgusting. Vegetarians are fine. Vegans however are tiring. The girls could probably only eat cardboard until fauna left.

>>41032970
I don't think about you at all

>>41024182
Exactly right.

>>40976118
based

>>40974254
ok

>>40973490
cope

>>40998181
>trying to spread marxism on the "hoes act like anime girls board for money" board
Don't you have a thread on /his/ to shit on? Also your comments reveal you're an high(-middle) class brown/non-white person, ergo your thought is worthless.

>>41024182
we actually inflict more suffering on plants when we have to feed our livestock with them first, exponentially more than if we went vegan. less plants have to suffer then. Now that you know this, I'm glad you're going to become vegan to keep consistent with your erudite understanding of the world.

>>41041931
The flaw here is that you're still trying to play a numbers game with life being weighed against other life. You want to act like having a cow live so that one can feed off of it is amoral because the cow eats grass, yet your attempt at an own fails to register the inherent egotism in this statement dictating that the cow's life is of less worth in only serving the end goal of food for a human. On the contrary, the cow has just as much right to life as the plants it subsides on, just as those plants have as much right to life as the insects that feed on them (and are killed en masse in order to protect the plant produce from them).
There's no hypocrisy for one to face when they aren't playing a game of moral arbitration based on trying to justify the taking of the many lives involved in their food consumption chain, which is an intrinsic part of an ideology built around making that consideration on arbitrary standards that refuse to entertain any possibility that would modify them.

>>40982038
there are different hot takes on diet
some people won't eat meat and chicken but will be ok with consuming fish, eggs, milk and plants
others will only eat plants, but might be ok with milk and if something was made with eggs or animal fat it's ok
vegans take it full retard and won't consume anything if it has any traced of anything that came from an animal
it's literally a mental illness and should be classified as such

>>40976238
agreed but also agreed with >>40981233
no one is perfect, Funa belongs to a cult of the mentally ill but that's basically her only flaw so I still like her

>>40980790
I mean it literally does affect them.
If Fauna is there they can't go to any normal cosplay cafe or maid cafe or ramen shop or anything like that cause it doesn't work for her extreme veganism.

>>41042381
Yet we would need to kill less plants overall if we didn't need to feed them to cows, so regardless of the truism that humans are more valuable than other forms on life on the planet, that still means going vegan would be a net positive according to your ad-hoc moral framework to justify the tendies you're going to be having later.

These threads are always interesting, because otherwise intelligent people are always caught off guard when they actually have to justify their life choices. Usually they make complex obfuscating moral pathways that are purpose built to justify tendies but do not apply to any other instances in their life where it would otherwise still be applicable. It's very humanising knowing that even smart people can say retarded things to protect what they like.

Everyone knows that Yakiniku is the ultimate group bonding activity. Fauna ruined so many good cuisine opportunities for the group because they wanted to be considerate to her needs

>>41040461
They often add the necessary vitamins in vegan shit, like alt-milk. I have no studies, but I do have anecdotes of vegans being into sports and fucking jacked. You people are living in some fantasy land, inhabited by your own conceptions of vegans, leftist, feminists, blacks or whoever is the current enemy of the week.

>>41043382
She didn't force them you retard

>>40973490
She didn't want to eat pussy so none of the girls could eat each other out while Fauna was around

>>41044249
They're basically replacing a normal diet that comes with all the stuff the body needs already included with an artificial diet that lacks a bunch of shit and to compensate for it they have to pick up all the missing pieces and add them to their own diet individually.
The jacked guys you know must have done their homework and compensated for their bad diet with supplements and other sources of nutritional value.
The average vegan can't manage to do that so many of them end looking like walking corpses.

Fuck vegans

>>41044249
exactly this!
people laugh at me because i like to shit into my hands and put the turd gently into the toilet. at the end of the day, i did the same business as everyone else but in a way i enjoyed. the method shouldn't matter!

>>41003984
>now its green woman bad
anon...

>>40973448
>So they just waited for her to leave to do the fun stuff.
thats not true at all

How people call her mommy when she can't even eat a nutritious meal for herself

>>41032970
You cut its neck in one slice retard. The animal does not even register he died and the heart will continue doing its job

>>41043274
You're still fundamentally misunderstanding the premise here, which is that you're trying to apply a vegan's morally imperialistic view of assigning a zero sum game to life to a person who doesn't hold the same view or see life according to the same values.
Now if there was some super vegan out there who was living purely off of synthetic faux-foods that required no sacrifice from any other form of life to create they'd have my respect for all of the week they'd live before their organs shut down, but all I see are people desperately trying to justify why the choice of life they opt to take is the least unacceptable.

>>41049192
You are so naive it's fucking incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7wUY3jnSNM

If I were a holomem I would kidnap Fauna, lock her in a dungeon and force feed her wagyu steak every day until she dropped the vegan bullshit

femaleanons add me up on discord jibunwoh#7399
and talk about interests like vidya and weeb stuff yuuka mei ling patchouli shion yuugii from touhou megaman monster hunter FU final fantasy the 4 heroes of light SFM animations. creative hobbies /m/ shows lolis kemono girls vtubers(and laugh at deadbeats.females from the DoA games pokemon the rwby anime and other stuff

>>41049749
>force feeding Fauna
Go on

Why do you make it look like having someone with food restrictions in a group is such a big deal? I'm picky as fuck, it's easier to list foods that I like or that don't make me puke at least than to list stuff I hate and absolutely refuse to eat. Besides, my dental occlusion is fucked beyond belief and I'm missing several teeth, so food texture is a big deal too, anything too chewy is out of the question. So what? When I get invited to somewhere I check the menu beforehand, and if they have nothing I can eat I just eat in advance, then order some snacks or just drinks. This has never had any effect on our outings with friends, people were able to go to whatever places they wanted, no one had to accomodate for me specifically and no one cared at all except for some grannies at family meetings trying to force their food on me. All people I've met who are picky too or have dietary restrictions do the same. And I'm sure Fauna did the same and no one gave a shit except for that time when Lui cooked for them.

>>41049749
I suspect she would learn to associate meat-eating with dangerous psychopaths. As soon as she gets out she not only goes full vegan again but becomes aggressively militant about it.

>>41049525
That’s not halal. I saw halal slaughtering before because my neighbors are muslims. What I know is the principle is you should not treat the animal in anyway that stress it otherwise it’s not halal. .

The same could be said about western slaughterhouses, they treat animals badly while normal farms try to kill them as painlessy as possible. That’s why I support local farms instead

>>40973448
That image makes me want to fuck the glasses off her face

>>40989320
So Fauna's milk would be Vegan?

>>40996741
>this weird crusade against veganism the past few days has felt way more cultish and in-your-face than any vegan's ever been to me
Echoes my personal experience. I have never directly encountered a pushy vegan trying to force their beliefs on me. I have encountered plenty of people who have gotten defensive against the idea of vegetarianism and started 'joking' about how bad and dumb vegans are, blatantly fishing for validation from me. Obviously I lose a good deal of respect for anyone who looks for social conformity to determine their beliefs.

My own take is that vegans and vegetarians have a point, death is a sad thing in general and it would be better if it didn't have to happen. But this is outweighed in my view by how unrealistic it is to achieve that in practice, our digestive system would need to be fundamentally re-engineered to make it scale. So I both believe that harming animals is a terrible thing and not something to joke about, and also that we have no choice but to do it anyway. It's a take that manages to piss off everyone, and I am fairly happy with it as a result.

If you have to take extra supplements because you are not getting enough key vitamins from your diet then you are missing the point of eating in the first place

>>40997229
the problem is not that she is vegan but that she ruined the trip

femaleanons add me up on discord jibunwoh#7399
and talk about interests like vidya and weeb stuff yuuka mei ling patchouli shion yuugii from touhou megaman monster hunter FU final fantasy the 4 heroes of light SFM animations. creative hobbies /m/ shows lolis kemono girls vtubers(and laugh at deadbeats)females from the DoA games pokemon the rwby anime and other stuff.

>>41049192
>>41032072
This is outright wrong. Modern stunning involves rendering the animal unconscious before it is even capable of feeling any pain from the mechanism doing such. Correctly executed Halal slaughter involves making a quick and effective cut across the neck that attempts to kill the animal as quickly as such a method possibly can... which amounts to a minimum of a few seconds in which the animal is aware, frightened, and in extreme pain before it is able to lose consciousness from the blood loss. In the absolute best case scenario you are looking at ~3 seconds of this suffering for the animal before it loses consciousness, from a perfectly executed cut to the blood pumping out in ideal fashion to service a quick death. What's likely is that the animal is going to be conscious and suffering for longer as the circumstances are typically not that ideal, and if any mistake is made in the cut and the targeted arteries are not completely severed the animal will be left thrashing in pain for even over a minute before dying. Alternatively even if the cut is made perfectly a complication can still occur from the severed arteries retracting into the body at the moment of the cut and becoming obstructed thus restricting the blood flow necessary for the quick death.
In addition cows have an additional set of arteries set further back in the neck which are not severed by the cut made in a Halal killing; these arteries continue blood flow to the brain and help keep the cow conscious during this period, so compared to other animals cows are known to remain conscious and suffer for longer when killed through the Halal slaughter method.
A digression: the Halal cut isn't even the most effective method of bleeding slaughter either; the Halal neck cut severs the carotid arteries whereas using a stick to sever the brachiocephalic artery causes more severe bleeding with less chance of obstruction prolonging suffering. But that doesn't get done because it doesn't align with religious doctrine requiring the slash instead.

Halal slaughter persisting in a post-stun world is an act of pure barbarism and any sane country has already enforced stunning over so-called religious freedom.

>>41050582
just force her to have an orgasm every time you feed her meat

most likely racism

>>41051335
>My own take is that vegans and vegetarians have a point, death is a sad thing in general and it would be better if it didn't have to happen. But this is outweighed in my view by how unrealistic it is to achieve that in practice, our digestive system would need to be fundamentally re-engineered to make it scale. So I both believe that harming animals is a terrible thing and not something to joke about, and also that we have no choice but to do it anyway. It's a take that manages to piss off everyone, and I am fairly happy with it as a result.
Based

>>41051396
Proof next thread?

How many more of these gay fucking 'O.M.G sisters.... Fauna is LE VEGAN!!!!' threads are you faggots going to make? Vegans live rent-free in the heads of anons on this site more than trannies and homos do, apparently.

>>41051949
why does it bother you that people are talking about Fauna's vegan practices, do you perhaps find it shameful, a topic not to be discussed with polite company?

>>41051396
>source: my ass

>>40998181
Kill yourself commie

>>41051923
>>41052117
we are all free to believe what we want, i believe she ruined the trip.

>>41051949
It’s honestly the biggest reach I’ve seen in a while. Fauna is so uncontroversial and yabless. I don’t even think she’s followed Tempus on twitter.

omg they hate each other??????

>>41051949
Vegans are almost as bad as faggots

>>41051396
She didn't ruin it, she just made choosing restaurants/cafes/etc. they could go to a bit of a hassle cause most of the places didn't have vegan stuff, so their options were limited

>>41052006
it doesn't bother me because I find it shameful, it bothers me because gossiping amongst yourselves and shittalking someone for being a vegan is female behavior and reveals what massive prissy faggots people on this board are. You can write your gay essays and blogposts jumping through hoops to justify why veganism is le bad but the plainly obvious reality is that the reason you're so triggered by Fauna being vegan is literally just because it's a socially uncommon thing and you can just use it to feel more socially acceptable by shittalking Fauna for it.

You're whining about Fauna being a vegan the same way women talk about a female co-worker they don't like just because of the way they dress or talk or some retarded shit like that. It's fucking cringe. And stop wording your posts in a pretentious way like using phrases like 'polite company' to try and look sophisticated, that just makes you look even more like a fucking faggot too.

>>41044249
>vegans, leftist, feminists
Why did you repeat yourself 3 times?

>>41052420
Do you... have any idea where you are?

>>41052420
Stop acting like a vegan. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>40973448
so this is the new homo schizo cope

>>40991914
Sure we will, schizo. Take your meds.

>>41052420
Wait until you realise "/vt/ sisters" isn't even a meme. This is a predominantly female board for gossip, and proof women shouldn't be on the internet.

>>41051825
> rendering the animal unconscious
Dude it’s not haram to render the animal unconscious, just do it in a way that does not harm them. My neighbor stuns the animal before killing it

>>41053939
If you were even remotely clued in to this situation you'd be aware that Halal meat proponents only begrudgingly accept stunning in regions where legislation leaves them no other choice. When given the option to kill without a stun, they will always go without.
And the fact that you think it's necessary to state no harm has to be done in the stunning shows you have absolutely no clue what goes into modern stunning methods to begin with, even though it was already indicated in the post you replied to.

>>40993107
Slave ownership was fairly widespread in the US south. Many middle class southerners owned slaves.

>>41044249
Are the necessary vitamins synthesized in a lab or are they extracted from animal sources?

>>41054289
I never said stunning is bad. Only I said that as long this does not harm the animal it’s halal

brain scans shows that when both used stunning, halal slaughter results in less pain

And also you are the one who are not aware at all. Islam extermists will advocate against stunning sure, but most muslims don’t follow extetmists beliefs. I live in UAE where there is no legalization forcing stunning yet most Muslims farmers use it. Stop following what the western media says about Muslims like a sheep and learn about them yourself

>>41054553
>brain scans shows that when both used stunning, halal slaughter results in less pain
This is completely and unequivocally false. Stunning results in no pain whatsoever, halal slaughter results in pain until death which takes an inconsistent amount of time. This was proven beyond a doubt in 2009 using EEG analysis of stunned and non-stunned animals being slaughtered.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19471324/

>>40973448
so true bestie

Veganism is just anorexia with morals. I mean think about it

>terrible, unhealthy diet that causes you to rapidly lose weight and have critical vitamin deficiencies
>extreme neuroticism about food and controlling exactly what you eat
>extremely defensive and aggressive towards people trying to even slightly alter the food

It's literally just anorexia for people who want to feel morally superior

>>41053506
It's easy to spot the men. For instance >>41054927 has completely ignored what we're gossiping about (the green bad woman) and is now posting science documents, which has no interpersonal weight here. You can tell by the autism.

>>41054927
> non-stunned animals
Learn to read before replaying

this conversation between those two anons about halal food has sent me into a rabbit hole of research papers about the topic. Discovered that most research papers about the topic are inconsistent (if the researcher name sounds muslim the results will favor halal food, if the researcher name sounds European the results will be against it, if the researcher name is neither (like a Chinese or Japanese name) it can go either way).

Honestly, this was a learning experience taught me that science these days are fake and mostly a way to force your propaganda through. It’s scary you can’t even trust science these days, we as society should try to remove all those political influences of it so it can be trustworthy again

>green vtuber is the biggest menhera
many such cases

>>41054927
NTA you are arguing with but this study does not show that halal method causes pain since this compare normal cutting method with stunning vs non stunning

Actually, halal without stunning leaves the animal consious but without any pain, as indicated by lower stress hormones than stunning. There actually multiple studies prove that the process of stunning causes the animal major pain, albeit only for less than 1 second

Most papers about the topic are behind paywall but I found a literature review you could read
http://article.scholarena.com/Comparison-of-the-Stunning-and-Non-Stunning-Slaughtering-Methods-in-the-Light-of-the-Current-Knowledge.pdf

>>40998860
wat

>>40973890
Im a life long vegetarian and from my own experience living in Japan you piss people off being a vegetarian there. It would be even worse if you’re a vegan because you will find it almost impossible to find anywhere everyone would want to eat that is and you will pay through the nose for everything in vegan only restaurants.

>>40980790
>doesn't affect you

>want to go out
>can't go to any restaurant
>maybe can eat a salad if it doesn't have bacon bits or certain salad dressings

>want to eat in
>the cook has perform autistic ceremonies and make food that no one wants
>or make extra food that is time consuming (making salads, washing all the lettuce etc)
or maybe they don't wash the veges for vegans since the water used is cleaned by humans (meat) and thus if you clean the vegetables under the tap then its not vegan

>>41060630
Can vegans eat vegetables? Most of them are grown with fertilizer some of which contains bits of animals. And fruit trees are pollinated by birds and bees that don't get compensated for their work, which is animal exploitation.

>>41060745
Not to mention unless the plant is hydroponics (and NOT aquaponics), then the plant is, by definition, growing in worm feces (thus its meat).
We're definitely onto something, they need to stop eating and start photosynthesizing.

>>41060630
She's not my oshi but I respect Fauna. That said when you know you have a restricted diet you have to prepare.
https://www.happycow.net/asia/japan/?filters=vegan
According to this site, there are 433 vegan restaurants in Japan and 111 in Tokyo. More than enough options to last her a trip, I'm sure. It's not ideal but she could've just got her food first and then caught up with everyone if they don't want to eat at her places.

>>40974320
thats more because she's fucking retarded

>>41061468
My own experience of happycow was that their lists go out of date pretty quick

>>41025968
>And yet vegans will completely refuse to contemplate the idea...
humane vegan friendly egg farming is not feasible, it's an unrealistic premise. chickens only lay prime eggs for a small period of their lives and it's also seasonal when you don't fuck with their natural cycle, for industrial scale farming that would be a problem and it would never work. free range labels still cull chicks and hens gets slaughtered when their prime years are over. there's no regulation stamps that are vegan friendly so she would have to personally inspect farms to make sure eggs she eats comes from hens that live their life to the fullest, you can't expect her to put in all that work just so she can live up to your standards.

>151 IP,S
>nearly 300 repliea
Not bad for a bait thread

>>40984142
And then they go on to mocking you, and projecting their own insecurities. What are you gonna say next? I have small dick? I'm an incel? You're script is getting old.

>>40973448
Is sucking dick vegan?

>>41065222
If it’s not then fauna is a fake vegan since she’s been sucking mine dry

the quality of the off collabs improved dramatically after fauna left desu

>>41068308
Just like the quality of your mom’s life after she left you

>>41068391
damn fauna was THAT bad?

>>41057960
That entire article is focused on the use of electrical full body stunning which is not something that is actually done precisely because it causes pain; electrical stunning when done is required to only target the head to avoid these problems, and captive bolt stunning is generally preferred because it avoids these problems, which that article only vaguely mentions in passing.
You can read a much more thorough explanation of how the different stunning processes compare and why stunning is done the way it's done and how it compares to non-stunned killing (ie halal) here: https://www.mla.com.au/contentassets/74517c73509148248a4b0b03d3150537/w.liv.0383_final_report.pdf