/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>40973218
>Not a single HoloEN in the top 25
Holobros...

>>40973218
I always laugh seeing Flare and Watame in these lists. What a dumb metric.

>>40973253
No shit, they stream 2x-3x less.

>>40973678
Koyori, Subaru, and Lamy as well. This just mostly correlates with those who stream the most.

>>40973792
Koyori and Subaru are actually popular. Which is why they are near the top while the ones that are less justified are near the bottom.

>>40973678
These are the only way Nijis and Vshojos are relevant. Please understand we need to make a narrative that Holo is not dominating everything

>>40973253
/vt/'s lack of respeck put on Watame's name is often bizarre. Not the biggest chuuba in numbers, but damn right she should be

>>40973792
Hours streamed is important and should be factored in. Hours watched is used because it's a good overall view of overall streamer quality, measuring how many people they can get watching them, and how often they stream. It's no surprise that in a metric that measures overall performance the ENs are nowhere to be seen

>>40973678
They are more popular than their competition.

>>40973949
More popular than Marine who is not in the list?

>>40973253
Best Holo is Gura with 6,5M hours watched
then Kiara with 4.7M
...

>>40973989
Kaela grinding out those hours, good for her

>>40973989
Ame...

>>40973923
>streamer quality
It's easy to use a meaningless term and sound like you're right. Fact of the matter is people who look at these lists are interested in popularity.

>>40973867
Watame's up there with Subaru in subs and has almost double of Koyori's. And if you start bringing up CCV as some rebuttal I could not give a rat's ass about that nerd shit you're outing yourself as discussing

>>40974155
Gura's popularity has nothing to do with the fact that for a so called "content creator" she does fuck all. Hard work deserves to be recognized and Koyori, Watame and Lamy are all superior streamers to Gura not the least because they actually do their jobs

>>40973878
i mean they are doing better then a small majority of hololivers like id some en, matsuri, haachama, roboco, mel, choco, aki, sora etc

>>40974228
In other words, you just like to chose metrics that make the chuubas you like look good.

How the fuck does Subaru have so much CCV? I mean she's alright but she sounds like an absolute redneck with the way she talks

>>40974285
Not him but streamers are worthless if they don't stream.

>>40974356
Ask Cover who they think is worth more as an asset, Gura or Flare.

>>40974285
Pretty much every site that charts streamer performance uses hours watched anon. Including stream hatchet and Holodata. But sure if you want to pretend using it is a big conspiracy to make your lazy as fuck oshi look bad then you go ahead and use that cope, I won't stop you

>>40973989
Kaela and Koyori are going to die in about 3-4 years

>>40974228
Gura absolutely mogs Watame, Koyori and Lamy in CCV. You'd rather have a part-time Brock Lesnar in your company than a Sheamus. That's why CCV is the only metric that should matter to an educated VTuber viewer with nuance.

>>40974413
And none of them even hit 1M subs yet to show for it.

>>40974550
Sure sure whatever you say Cuckbud, just keep paying those membership fees Gura needs more NEET money

>>40974550
>Gura absolutely mogs Watame, Koyori and Lamy in CCV
This isn't true anymore. Lamy and Koyori are both very capable of getting 20k regularly. Gura is not.

>>40974408
There's no one metric good enough to rank streamers in a way that's not dumb. If you're not looking at several different metrics and thinking a little further than just making an ordered list, you're probably just interested in getting (you)'s from whoever it annoys or feeling good about your tastes, as the tone of your posts shows.

>>40974660
What's your up-to-date CCV counter website so I can have an back-to-back orgasm every time my oshi has higher CCV than yours?

How about a metric that is composed of half steaming hours, and half CCV? So that we can decently award Kaela while not making her too OP, and hold Gura's feet to her fire and prove that she's not the face of Hololive anymore and should be taken off posters, billboards, and other promotional content?

>>40974942
Somebody streaming 1000 hours to 10 people doesn't deserve an award.

>>40974805

>>40974971
Anon, that's exactly why I said that we decently award Kaela for her hard work, but also not make her too OP....

>>40974993
Brb, time to analyze the fuck out of this for hours on end

>>40975046
Conclusion: Lamy is better than Gura

>>40975010
She deserves no awards at all. What she does is not hard work.
Reminder that this isn't excusing the others' laziness. It's merely saying she is not doing anything worthwhile.

>>40975079
And Gura should graduate after reading this thread.

>>40974993
Isn't it more impressive to consistently get 15k+ everyday than 30k once a month

>>40975159
No because I like EN and they can't do that.

>>40975089
>It's merely saying she is not doing anything worthwhile.
She's creating content to watch which is her entire fucking job anon. They're streamers, their job is to stream and give you things to watch

>>40975229
The content is boring as shit, hence my "streaming 1000 hours to 10 people" comment. It's an exaggeration but it goes to show that this content she puts out isn't good and producing shitloads of it doesn't make it any better and she especially should not be awarded for doing so.

>>40973218
I did not expect to see Flare in that list. Damn Flare, you go

>>40975302
Guras content isn't any better, hence her plummeting viewership

>>40975427
I'm not arguing against that at all. You can see what content from her is considered good and what isn't.

>>40975427
What kind of Hololive content do kids these days like to watch most? GFE but with coombait? lol

>>40973974
whats a marine?

>>40975597
The Cardi B of VTubing, a living reminder that popular does not mean good

As expected, all numberfags think about is "my chuuba > your chuuba." That's why you people all deserve the rope.

>>40975847
Take the reddit pill, friend. YAGOO is best girl.

>>40973923
>it's a good overall view of overall streamer quality
>shylily
lol
lmao

>>40973218
how did Nijisanji fumble their KR when there is obviously a market for vtubers there? Isegye Idol is doing so well

>>40976006
seethe

>>40976065
isegye who?

>>40973974
Yes? She results are clear. She is not watched by people.

>>40976006
Justin Bieber is the GOAT singer because he's artist with most songs streamed over a billion times on Spotify, and because he became the first solo artist to chart three solo songs in the top five of the US Billboard Hot 100 simultaneously, as well as accumulate the most simultaneous tracks on the chart.

>>40976401
That seems pretty non-debatable. I'll let people know.

>>40976401
According to this chart you don't need a billion plays for any of your songs if you can make a thousand songs with nothing but silence if at least a million people listen to all of them.

>>40973218
Didn’t expect ironmouse to be up there

>>40973218
Based

>>40973911
Watame is a little angel. /vt/ likes drama whores and screechy zoomers.

>>40976578
>if you can make a thousand songs with nothing but silence
There are people who do that, that literally describes multiple massive genres of music. The thing is none of them get a million people listening to all of it. Some can't even get one (including themselves). Which is why they are regarded as unimpressive.

>>40974413
It's funny when zoomers think people who aren't even doing a 40-hour work week are too extremely hard-working to live.

>>40974316
This is the weirdest thing about this, who the fuck watches Subaru?

>ENfags make up massive copes on why hours watched isn't important and CCV is a better metric because Lamy shouldn't be above Gura
>turns out Lamy has better CCV than Gura anyways
This thread is too fucking funny holy shit

>>40973218
>meme watch hours

>>40974190
Subs are the most retarded EN shit ever, not a single person who is aware of youtube even outside of vtubers thinks that's a meaningful metric. HoloEN fans are the only people on the planet who take subs as a sign of popularity. If subs equaled popularity, then Kobo's the most popular shit in Hololive. But in the real world, she's just pretty middling.

>>40974316
Watchalongs actually buffed her more than anything. She can get as much if not more viewers than Pekora on these, thus it kept boosting her numbers even though she just watches anime. Literally the normie anime tard viewers want to get reactions from.
Her persona streams were pretty heavy as well during weekends.

Mouse and Shy both at 2042 hours, huh?

>>40981648
Apparently it was some error, someone posted the accurate thing and Shy had more.

>>40981210
>not a single person who is aware of youtube even outside of vtubers thinks that's a meaningful metric.
This is false. Normies only think of subs and view-counts when discussing popularity. In fact, outside of /here/ sub-count is almost the only metric that gets discussed.

>>40973218
These are always stupid cause their "hours watched" is just stream time * avg. ccv
It doesn't include VODs in any way or form, despite them obviously being important, especially for EN streamers whose audience is spread out across the globe.

>>40981210
Bad bait. Holos don't have CCVs stream celebrations, they celebrate subscriber milestones. When people think popular YouTubers, they think of individuals like Pewdiepie, and his beef with T-Series, the most popular media company, over what? Exactly, subscribers. Chalking up everything opposing your view as HoloEN shilling is very /vt/ - a board that barely even discusses other branches.

>>40980978
VTubing is one of the most exhausting jobs in the world "pound-for-pound", when you factor in everything.

>>40980842
When it comes to vtubers you do get thousands "watching" a stream where literally nothing is happening for hours because even the vtuber themselves isn't there.

>>40981164
Hours watched isn't important.

>>40981164
Gura's sample size these days is too small because she never fucking streams

>>40982070
I mean, I didn't realize we were counting mouthbreathing retards in our metrics. Anyone who knows about Pewdiepie vs. T-Series is aware it wasn't a battle for popularity, it was a battle for a meaningless metric where one person was summoning the whole online world to his side and the other side beating him while being completely irrelevant in terms of popularity because it happened to be located in the third-world and had some videos people watched and many they didn't.

>>40980991
top kek

>>40982248
And I would argue those ones should be discounted, in conversations about work or effort, which would obviously bump down nobodies like Ironmouse. But there's also some questionable aspects in merging different site metrics and treating them as equal. Twitch should be compared to Twitch and Youtube to Youtube and so on. A view is never as simple as a human is watching a stream.

>>40982305
>third-world doesn't matter
does first world even

>mental gymnastics

>>40973253
They gave up on them for homos. All we can do is get behind Pekora now

If we go by CCV only then Aqua is a top 3 most popular Hololive VTuber of 2022. Get rekt everyone

>>40974993
wtf why Gura's number so low? I thought she is appeal to normie or some shit.

>>40982741
What would an anti-normie chuuba that is still successful at her cause be? VTubing is in a dire need of an anti-hero, it's reaching WWF in 1995 levels

>>40973792
Lamy doesn't even stream that much

>>40982865
Speaking of which, HFZ is in an hour

>>40982017
They don't include VODs because it's impossible to tell whether 1 VOD view was 30 seconds or 12 hours of watch time
If you're thinking "doesn't this just reaffirm that watch time is a really stupid metric for popularity" then you'd be 100% correct

>>40973867
Koyori isn't. She just spams a shit ton of content with subpar viewership

>>40973253
>Not a single NijiEN in the top 25 even with them streaming everyday.
Nijibros...

>>40983614
Salty because his oshi doesn't stream. Cry harder.

>>40983667
>implying that everyone here has a proverbial 'oshi'

>>40983667
Koyori mogs everyone but Kaela at being live, so?

>>40983614
>10k is subpar now
Ok anon, who is your favorite chuuba that you're salty that she isn't on this list

>>40983791
45 other Holos are not on these list, so the point's good. Koyori ain't a top 5 or top 10 best Holomem for sure

>>40983919
>Koyori ain't a top 5 or top 10 best Holomem for sure
Name them, because Koyori has become one of the top holomembers unless you live 1 year in the past. She's the top of her gen along with Chloe

>>40984117
Give me some memorable moments of her, prove to the layman that she's some hot new shit

>>40974993
Based gokisei grudgeposter

>>40984338
Why are retards here simping for gens, every one of them has hits and misses ffs

You all do realize that numbers barely matter and your taste for Holomems is completely subjective?

>>40983919
At absolute worst Koyori is B-Tier in Holo popularity. Her amount of hours push her up higher on a chart tracking overall staying power but she's far above C and D-tier talents with many hours like Flare, Watame or Kaela. If you just looked at the Holos who streamed today (which doesn't gauge full popularity obviously since there's differences between games and trends and whatever else) then for today there would be an A-Tier with types like Pekora and Marine; a B-Tier with types like Subaru, Miko, Koyori, Korone, Towa; a C-Tier with types like Lui, Iroha, Ina, Kanata, Nene, Noel, Mio; a D-Tier with types like Matsuri, Sora, Kaela, Kobo, Roboco, Baelz, Luna and an F-Tier with types like Reine, Ollie, Anya, Holostars and so on.

>>40984604

>>40984261
>the metric for current popularity is something that can be satisfied by someone who hasn't been active in years
You didn't need to out yourself so quickly chumbud.

>>40984774
It's literally the the simplest ask for anyone who wants to get into a VTuber mate

>>40984876
Why the fuck do you clipwatchers think your opinion matters in a thread about streams? Do we need to make another board to quarantine you filth?

>>40984941
Still no rebuttal given, keep seething

>>40984941
Yes. Call it /hl/ - Hololive.

>>40984261
>Give me some memorable moments of her, prove to the layman that she's some hot new shit
There's screencaps of every asakoyo in every place retard, it's in fucking english

>>40985015
there should be a clip general thread fr, let people who wanna share clips pass some around. separate the pleb morons doing their 9 to 5 from the chad neets

>>40984604
Where's Aqua, Shion, Ayame?

>>40973218
Vtubers that stream on Twitch should be on a separate list desu.

>>40975597
My oshi

>>40975597
Semper Fi

>>40973218
cool

>>40973911
We love sheep

>>40973218
sweet

>>40990364
>EGA's on the collar not inborn
>Gap between thumb and finger
>arm forming an obtuse angle and not a right one with the forearm being parallel to the deck

This bitch

>>40974408
The only metric that matters is hours streamed, because I can watch more of my oshi’s streams, not graphs, you blithering retard

>>40982132
When you factor everything is about an average job. Don't talk about Vtubing being an hard job when you have some administrative overpaid job or haven't graduated from college.