/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>40821829
Yeah, I just confirmed with the voices.

>>40821849
give me the timestamp where kiara hinted about it please

>>40821829
If by mixed gen you mean that they all are trannies of some sort, then yes.

>>40821957
Yeah sure 30:28

>>40821829
If they go through with that it would mean the instant end of Hololive EN.
And EN already is on life support. Some of the girls like Mori now have ID tier CCV which coincided with male collabs happening.

>>40821957
41:56

>>40821829
EN3 was all males, and so was EN4. We have no idea for EN5.

Austin 3:16

im calling it, a trans v tuber, tempus will fuse with holo english if its really mixed.

What suggests they would even have a mixed gen?

>>40822501
DRINK BEER

>>40821829
Right now we have 10 girls and 8 guys
Making EN3 mixed gen makes sense.
Could be 6 person, 2 girls 4 guys or 4 person, 1 girl 3 guys to balance the numbers.

>>40823039
>>>>>makes sense

>>40823053
No reason to assume EN isn't this retarded at this point.

It has got to make sense
because it won't make dollars

>>40822616
The voices in my head told me. They've been pretty reliable so far

Who knows but that's what I feel like is going to happen. They needed to release back to back tempus because they wanted to even out the numbers first before they release the mix group. That will mean EN3 is never going to be a thing. Omega wants equality and maybe diversity. He will hire a black girl that will be a under qualified (pretend to like anime and japanese culture).

>>40821829
Given how Cover really wants to commit suicide, all signs point to yes.

>>40821829
It's gonna happen sooner or later. Cover really want female viewers and mixed gender group is very inclusive and is a great way to bait female viewers.

A mixed gen signals the death of Holostars and that's something Yagoo will never allow. How the fuck will that fly with JP? Invite the girls members to events but not the boys? Either all of Hololive integrates or none of it does.

Will it be a mixed gen? No. It'll be all women but the lore is tied to Elysium because StarsEN Management really love their lore building and Omega wants a piece of it.

>>40823539
That's what homobeggars don't understand, you'd literally have JPs boycotting events if they go through with it because there's no way they'd lose their gachikoi over tempiss.
Some of them would even graduate and go at it solo if you forced them to collab. It's never happening unless they completely separate EN from the other branches.

>>40823539
It wont. Hololive was, is and will always be a all female branch
inb4 some braindead retard replies to me saying holostars is hololive

>>40823593
Why would JPs give a fuck about what people in EN do?

>>40823710
Pray tell how a mixed hololive EN gen would even work? Do you exclude the new boys from events? Do you exclude EN from events? Do you force JPs to join mixed events?
All three of those options would result in massive fan backlash and people fucking off to other companies.

>>40823783
No events for EN. Every dollar is reinvested into new tempus cock for your oshi.

>>40821829
yeah mixed my penis with your oshis vagina

>>40821829
It sounds like the most retarded move so it's probably true

>>40821829
It will be couples gen. Debut streams will be 1-on-1 collabs, overall theme is matchmaking.

>>40823783
>All three of those options would result in massive fan backlash
You're being paranoid. The girls sang and danced with Holostars on stage in front of almost 200k people and there was no backlash whatsoever.

What's more likely is that there just isn't going to be another Gen outside of Japan for the foreseeable future. Think about it. EN has 10 members , ID has 9 members, Tempus 8. It's a good number to operate with as JP has always been their only serious priority. Yagoo did mention at one point that there would be a slowing down of gen debuts. It's entirely feasible that the announcement will come in April.

>>40824136
>no backlash
Pretty sure that was due to being the usual suspects and it being a New Year’s stream. Make it a more common occurrence and that’ll change.

>>40821829
Heckin YES! It's about time we mix some talented POC into HoloEN. Tired of all these wh*te people stealing vtubing from us like they do everything else. Was really sad watching Sana leave, because you just know the real reason she left was because she got bullied and mistreated just for being a brave and beautiful brown sistergirl. Just watch as mixed Gen becomes the most popular Gen EVER. even more than any JP gen. After that hopefully they learn to be even more inclusive and diverse and get some trans and furry vtubers as well.

>>40821829
Yes. It will be a mix of chuds, chads and studs.

>>40824215
>Make it a more common occurrence and that’ll change
Sure, make it more common and people will get used to it and more and more people will be okay with the collab with the boys. The first time was supposed to be the time where huge meltdown happen but everything was fine.

>>40824840
That worked wonders with HoloEN kek.

>>40824913
>>40824840
Are we pretending the usual dickriders ccv isn't in the gutter
Mori having a stream that didn't have 10k viewers was unheard of a year ago

EN3 will be the Gura generation. Hololive have finally cracked the code for success. They will be all lolis, flat chested and blue.

The hardest part is finding the voice actresses to do the role because I interviewed all of they and they sound like Hags.

>>40821829
More like ‘nixed Gen’, no one wants that shit.

>>40822615
Cover wouldn't know how to deal with that, if there's ever a trans holo she'd pass so well that no one could tell and she'd never out herself.

>>40824136
>there was no backlash whatsoever.
reddit doesn't count you disgusting eop tranny

>>40826597
>buzzword buzzword buzzword
Ask me how I know you're ESL.

>>40826729
how?

>>40821829
Yes and we all be Magging. You too.

>>40821829
Can't find enough girls who aren't lazy bitches after getting to the second callback. Like always, some dudes have to come fix the problem.

>>40824136
>the girls
You mean the whores everyone has given up on

1/ Cover has clearly been watching the failure after failure NijiEN's mixed gens have been. These ventures have not been the slam dunk Niji thought they would be
2/ Kiara's doomposting was echoed by the Unityfag Prime Amelia Watson whould have been thrilled if something like that would happen, but she wasn't. I cannot recall the stream but it was not long after Ina left. IIRC she was talking about how Cover was getting strict about being transparent.
3/ Kiara's doomposting led to several incidents directly referencing Ina. From being in such a panic that Ina had to calm her down to talking about how she planned on spamming collabs with Ina in the new year.
I believe Ina may be walking away sprin-Summer.

>>40821829
Next gen will be Tempus3 which will be all girls

>>40830239
>Cover has clearly been watching
While I severely doubt the JP overlords would ever let EN do a mixed gen Cover also ignored how no other agency managed to have female vtubers as big as theirs other than SOME (more like 2 or 3, and nowadays only realistically 1) Vshojo members and still decided to put what was supposed to be their main appeal on the bench for what might end up being 2 years just to push 8 dudes in 6 months, so never doubt Cover's absolute stupidity.

>>40823710
Because males getting forced on the EN branch is going to make them jumpy about the same thing happening with JP.

Not even I think Cover is that retarded

>>40824840
Almost nobody watches the males because they don't want to watch the males. Forcing them into more stuff is just going to make more things that people aren't interested in.

Cover obviously shoveled out Tempus because they didn't want to concede the male EN sphere just like they had with JP. A mixed gen will never happen.

>>40832578
>they didn't want to concede the male EN sphere
And by doing that they're conceding the female EN sphere. What a smart decision.

>>40832422
anon...

>>40833304
Niji females can't even touch Kiara of all people.

>>40833304
Even Tempus mogs the entirety of NijiEN, what are you talking about

>>40821829
Mixed Gens will never happen in hololive, cover would need to exclude the males everytime the girls need to participate in a hololive even or Collab, and if they created a new group just for mixed members it would debuff both the boys and the girls, it was already hard to deal with IRyS not being part of both myth and council Imagine members that are not part of Hololive and Stars

>>40821829
That would be a terrible idea. I could see them trying that shit with Tempus and making it some kind of Nijilite offshoot, but that would probably end not so well either.

>>40822184
Mori's CCV coincided with the LEAN shit, the other girls are getting about what they usually get. At most you had kronii getting 5k streams instead of 6k and shit like that.

>>40826597
Reddit was like one of the only places that threw a shit fit over it. JPs seemed indifferent or mildly impressed with males that they'll never watch but can contain their autism for a bit when they show up with the usual suspects.

>>40829137
>Sora
>A whore
Fuck you

>>40821829
Yeah. Why? Is that a problem?

>>40825888
Lolibaba generation sounds dope.

>>40825888
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJT7J-ilMgI

Nobody thinks these things outside of /here/. You all sound completely insane.

>>40838595
I’m sure that management would just obfuscate anyone from their mainstay sites if they did voice concerns, so you’re partially correct about that.

>>40838595
Then why do you care? let the mental asylum ramble about the new theoretical batch of anime girls in peace

>EOPs talking about how JOPs would react to anything
Japanese people literally do not care about Holostars or mix collabs at all. Gachikois would throw a fit if they found out that their oshi had a bf but that's it. Mix collab anger is English only thing

>>40821829
>Is it true that EN3 will be mixed gen
Imagine thinking this right after a new set of EN stars just debuted

>>40839156
>Gachikois would throw a fit if they found out that their oshi had a bf but that's it
People didn't even give that much of a fuck when MafuRushia happened. Cover is going to push Holostars for real from the look of things. It already happened in New year stream, Holofes also include Holostars. People are like
>Nooooo the girls are gonna lose all viewers
When NijiJP girls can co-exist with the guys just fine with plenty of girls being more popular than the guys.

>>40828523
Why is gura there

>>40839156
>>40839708
Beggars are genuinely insane. What's next, anyone who refuses to acknowledge them will be terminated? Because that's more than half of Hololive right now.

>>40839708
>NijiJP

>>40821829
Yep and you'd better enjoy it

>>40821829
EN management might be stupid enough to do it

>>40840127
Nah, if Holostars collab become the norm then no one would ignore the boys. Talking with men is normal, what's not normal is acting like men don't exist. Also Cover exists to make money, not exclusively pandering to the unicornschizos.

>>40821957
The time stamp is the last 4 digits of my post.

>>40844092
>Cover exists to make money
Yeah and turning hololive into bootleg nijisanji won't bring money

>>40840107
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>40844092
Oh yeah, good luck convincing half of the girls to suddenly give the Stars attention after almost 4 years of completely ignoring them. I'm sure your authoritarian solution will work wonder for the company and none will give Cover the middle finger. Christ, just watch Nijisanji. It's right there, perfect for you faggots.

>>40844092
Your compulsion to make everything coed despite the wishes of customners is abnormal and ridiculous. Your notion that you can force your preferences on everyone else is absurd. Segregrating by sex is also normal and has been done by various institutions for millenia.

>>40823121
Nigga cant even quote DJ Quik correctly

>>40822377
If the new gen of girls arent EN3 thats really the final nail in the coffin for hololive imo

>>40844863
Not just costumers but the girls as well. Beggars have this twisted idea that the members will just naturally accept and act like the agency was co-ed since the beginning and often ignore their free agency, thinking the segregation is only happening because of' "schizo fans.

>>40844488
You say this as if the majority of holoJP ignoring men was an independent decision by the girls instead of a corporate mandated decision that can be reversed just as easily as it was implemented: essentially overnight.

Hololive started with mixed gender collabs being routine, it can easily go back to it if Cover wants to.

>>40846108
>>40844092
At least half of the JPs would fuck off and go indie instead of risking losing their gachikoi. If you think this is corporate mandated, you're retarded. The JPs know full well what they're doing and know full well they'll bleed income if they collab with males now.

>>40846215
>literally everyone just decided to stop doing collabs with nijiboys because... they just wanted to, ok? they literally HATE men

>>40846108
>>40846267
And here it is, the "the girls are forced to not do it" excuse. Motherfucker, it's been over 2 years since Hololive Productions was created, collabs with the Stars have been allowed since September or October of 2019 and we've yet to see a major change within the company. Continue to cope with the idea that the girls who couldn't care less about the Stars will start spamming co-ed collabs overnight. I'm sure you're also 100% in favor of Cover forcing them to interact with each and creating music units with those who clearly have said in the past that they do not want to collab with male vtubers.

>>40846108
It wasn’t successful until it embraced idol culture and move to a mostly sex segregated model. Why should it change? Because you demand to have your preferences forced down everyone’s throat?

>>40846267
You want them to destroy their income out of some radical feminist belief that everything has to be coed. It’s retarded.

>>40846267
Good news is, you have plenty of Nijis to watch whom have no gripe collabing with a legion of men. Where’s the issue here?

>>40826479
>'''she'''
>''''she''''
>''''pass'''''

>>40846108
Absolutely this. Subaru was so close to Maimoto she was basically his daughterwife with literal OFFICIAL merch from Cover pairing her with him, then one day BAM, it's all gone, she doesn't remember the guy anymore. People who think the girls will never interact with men are either newfags or some top tier delusional unicorns who can erase his own memory.

>>40846772
No you don't get it, Subaru actually hates Maimoto and wants to never collab with him again because uhhh uhhhhhhhhh

Anyway she most definitely independently decided to ignore his existence forever for some reason and Cover had no part in it. Also every other girl who was doing mixed gender collabs simultaneously did the same, purely coincidentally.

>>40846772
>neglecting to mention how it benefited her greatly to do so
Besides, the usual suspects still do their rounds. There’s not much reason to believe Cover targeted her specifically.

>>40846772
>we could have this kino if cover execs didn't want to extract 4.3% more value from unicorns by making their chuubas abandon their old friends
I will never forgive them

>>40846772
>>40846864
>>40847008
Alright, then go on her stream and spam her chat so she collabs with Maimoto again. If you think she did it because Cover forced her make your voices be heard, otherwise you fuckers are as pathetic as the unicorns mad that some EN girls collabed with Tempus. Do the same with Miko and Ayame as well. I'm sure they'll listen and not treat you faggots like the pariah you want to be so fucking much. Also send my regards to Oboretai, I'm sure that cunt is happy to have an army of simps trying to force his retarded opinions down the fanbase's throat.

>>40821829

>>40846772
She just chose the path that would make her more money
Is it that hard to believe that someone would choose cash over friends of their own free will?

>>40839156
you will never be japanese

>>40821829
You mean like a bunch of hapa, mulatto, yellow bone, and creole characters? I certainly hope so.

>>40847236
I would rather believe that management forced her to do a bad thing than believe that she is fundamentally a bad person

You just know that faggot oboretai is in this thread and pushing this co ed shit. If you're reading this oboretai, do us all a favor and kill yourself

>>40847557
It’s a job you idiot. It doesn’t make her a bad person to better cater to her audience’s preferences and thereby make more money.

>>40847557
Valuing money doesn't make you a bad person

>>40847655
Valuing money over friends does make you a bad person though

>>40822749
BEAT GURA

>>40847648
She offering a better product so her consumers are willing to pay more for it. Nothing wrong with that.

>>40847639
holy shit, even clippers have their own schizos now

>>40847675
If you every have a job that limits who you can spent time with while on the job (which is pretty much every job as you don’t get to just hang out with friends all day) I guess you are a bad person. You shut quit and go on the dole so you can make the femininists happy.

>>40847743
>now

>>40847557
Well it's been a long time already, quite a few girls collabed with the Stars, even ones close to her like Choco and Fubuki, and she still haven't even interacted with Maimoto. What's your explanation for that? Cover still forcing her to not do it?

>>40847743
He states as he continues his social justice crusade to force his preferences on everyone else.

>>40844092
>Ignores schools, religious institutions, and social clubs and the fact that until the 70s women going to a pub without a male family escort was considered a whore.

>>40847887
What are (You) even talking about?

Mixed? No that's a miscommunication. The next holoen gen will be woman who are canonically futanari(true futanari) they will have a rang of personalities and attitudes towards having penises. One will be really comfortable and forward about being futa, often talking about how much she enjoys using it in a variety of ways, three will be pretty neutral, more or less open or shy about it. And one will be very shy and embarassed to be a girl with a penis, this will make her a prime target to be tied down and have her penis bullied, this will also create a teasing dynamic between the talents that we at cover beleive the viewers will most enjoy.

>>40847743
Well, for Oboretai it's justified. He's a legit schizo himself.

>>40824840
If you gradually turn up the heat the frog won't jump out of the pot. The EN branch will be the test branch for the first holoPro gen. Yagoo has probably wanted this for a long time but wasn't willing to do anything risky with the JP branch.

>>40821829
Sound like fun to me. Imagine all the incels seething.

>>40850362
Futa vtubers should be way more common than they are
There's like one who isn't a guy

My uncle works at HoloPro and he told he it's true

>>40851625
Our new generation, Holo Zwitter, seeks to change that.

>>40821829
Yeah, all mixed race

>>40821829
Yes. Some millennials, some zoomers.

>>40821829
The more Cover is trying to push the males the more the fandom hates them. Even r*ddit that used to be extremely loyal to the company in the past is getting upset with them these days.

>>40854830
I would love a Hag vs Zoomer gen. Phase Connect's latest gen has that dynamic and it's great.

>>40854843
Reddit would probably be less pissed by a mixed Gen than it was by EN3's massive delay

>>40854955
Bae's zoomer collab with Vesper was a great demonstration of the generation gap.

>>40855062
Too bad it was unwatchable because it had a boring male in it

>>40855304
Too bad it was unwatchable because it had a male in it

>>40821829
No

>>40821829
>Is it true that EN3 will be mixed gen?
I wish... the meltdown in /vt/ would be glorious

>>40821829
Yeah, me

>>40858569
The return of magging!

>>40851760
Can confirm. I'm this anon's uncle

>>40821829
4 males and 1 female (male) coming up

>>40847201
>HoloPro

>>40862206
To reach gender equality I would suggest 3 males and 1 female. We need HoloEN perfectly balanced.

>>40863197
>implying that matters

>>40863235
What if Kronii officially announces that she is transitioning?

>>40866227
How about Flayon?

Aren't they going to transition too?

>>40821829
Yes. The theme will be romance and they'll be paired off into relationships from the outset.

>>40872393
Don't tease me like that, my man.

>>40872393
That would be kino and therefore not something cover could do.

>>40875960
Watching the incels seethe would be kino too.

>>40877938
>incel
>magfag
Go back.

>>40877938
Yes

>>40821957
she didnt

>>40868287
I wouldn't know. Don't watch males. Maybe they can offset each other.

>>40821829
if it is, the other half has to be either cute femboys or shotas. that's the only way i'll ever forgive cover.

>>40821829
Fauna confirmed EN3 will just be her doing 5 different voices.

Yes, it will be 4 girls and me, their human dildo.

>>40851497
yassss so true sis

>>40847743
I will end you.

>>40854843
>please pay more attention to my highly successful discord raid of this one reddit monthly discussion thread

>>40823219
>He will hire a black girl that will be a under qualified
Will she stream?

>>40823539
>Either all of Hololive integrates
All of EN will integrate. The corpse of EN will be politically correct and appropriately diverse. We already saw a reduction of JP + ID + EN large events this year.
Only a selection of talents, likely ones with connections to the JPs organizing events, will be invited to talent-organized events going forward. Then there will be no more "but what about Gura?" and "but what about the homos?".

>>40863235
What happens when another one of the women graduate? Does a male get force graduated to keep the numbers in check?

>>40896558
>All of EN will integrate
And what happens to those who don't want to? Gura and IRyS don't follow any of the StarsEN members on twitter, with the latter already being clear she's not interested in collabs, while Fauna and Mumei follow some but act like they don't exist and ignore any and all questions about them from superchats. Will they be forced into a situation of collab or termination?

>>40897121
>Will they be forced into a situation of collab or termination?
I could see their collab options shoot way down, and they will probably need to pass up sponsorships as well.
Something like Minecraft will become integrated. There's no reason there couldn't be a warp from the EN server to the server Tempus plays on.
The shit Among Us collab would have Tempus in it if they had debuted months earlier.

>>40846215
You people keep spinning this retarded narrative as if the reason Holos do this shit is just some calculated financial decision and not their own preference. Not every male wants to collab with females, not every female wants to collab with males. The reason company-wide things have to segregate out the males is for even just one female in the company who doesn't want to interact with males, like an Aqua for example.

>>40897468
>Not every male wants to collab with females
which en homo isnt a leech?

>>40897449
For the EN Minecraft servers to integrate, the EN server would have to segregate itself back off from ID and JP. Ollie had to tour the Stars on the ID server before it got merged with JP because after the merge, you can't bring non-Holos in. The EN server also had males on it and other randoms before the merge.

>>40897557
>you can't bring non-Holos in.
>non-Holos
So what are Holostars exactly?

>>40897511
It's a statement about streamers generally, one of the most popular streamers of all-time got ragged on by the press for years as a misogynist because he wouldn't collab with females. I'm told some JP Holos don't like collabing with females but I don't watch any of their non-Stars collabs anyway since it's generally with other companies I have no interest in.

>>40897639
ok but which en homo isn't a leech

>>40897617
Not Holomems. That's for sure. Policy would have to change for them to become Holomems and EN doesn't have the authority to backdoor it in. This Minecraft scenario is retarded because even in your fantasy world where EN was going around Cover's orders and risking termination to bring in Tempus, this is the same EN that has still refused to merge with ID and the only EN who even knows what Minecraft is doesn't acknowledge the Homos.

>>40897666
What does that have to do with anything? We don't even know that yet since half of them are too new to even have an identity. The biggest "leech" of them all is more accurately a cuck (Altare) and the other has a Holomem sucking on his nuts (Vesper).

>>40897737
so the only ones that aren't leeches are the ones that just debuted
yeah good branch you got right there

Tempus sweep lets gooooooo

>>40897702
>This Minecraft scenario is retarded
Just like EN management.
They already drove their branch off a cliff for a song, forcing a hard split with JP through boneheaded integration is the next logical step. Maybe the cancer even spreads to JP, but for some reason people are discarding that possibility.

>>40897762
So you're just having some weird conversation in your head, huh? Why are you replying to me?

>>40897617
Calling the girls "Holos" have been part of the lexicon since before Holostars was ever a thing. It's why neither the fans not the members call them "Lives", because the "Stars" came after the language was already set in stone, and the separation only reinforced that. The Minecraft server is Hololive only, just like the Stars' server is Holostars only, and if EN wants to bring their own male branch to it they would either have to create a new server exclusively for HoloProEN or cut the connection to the JP server, and the latter option would 100% be met with opposition, especially if it meant the EN girls would be forbidden to play in the main server. This forced unity will only create more headaches and it was never worth it over just letting those who are fine with the guys collab freely but keep Hololive and Holostars as their own, separate things.

>>40821829
Maybe they will drop the Holostars/Hololive name and create a "Holopro gen" which is mixed, or depute a tranny chuuba which is a "female" into hololive. Whatever they are cooking I think cover is selling to investors in the west so they have to "comply".

>>40897942
>selling to investors in the west
>when their main money maker is the JP branch
That's an insanely retarded rrat.

>>40897942
What investors? Cover corp is a private company.

>>40897862
I'm not arguing Hololive won't commit suicide, Japan has a tendency to commit suicide on these things. But the scenarios people present for how it will happen are the ridiculous part, they assume all sorts of things that aren't possible. You want to present a scenario where EN slowly taints everything and then Japan buckles but the step one in EN's plan is forcing Japan to immediately reverse their stance out of nowhere when EN are currently a dying irrelevant branch with no ties to one another, let alone JP. You forgot the part where EN has to first commit to their stance and segregate from JP and unite as one, then through their rising popularity, JP's decide to imitate the EN branch.

Right now there are two unique forces wanting to destroy Hololive (Omega and Yagoo) but the first hasn't earned the respect and the second doesn't have the balls to force their ideas onto the talents, all they can do is force them on the fans and hope the fans force it on the talents. Yet even within EN (let alone most of JP), many of those talents have already told the fans to go fuck themselves with that gay shit.

en is not big enough to impact anything which is why it's under 2 layers of management compared to jp
even at the very apex, en just wasn't profitable nor impactful enough in comparison

I will drink poison if Cover debuts a new all-female unit of Hololive English in 2023. We all know all future gens will be "holopro" so they can be mandated to interact with Tempus.

>>40823219
>He will hire a black girl
Yeah, me. Be ready for the kyo style 'yab' when it's revealed I'm not actually black, I just know how to talk like them

>>40898154
But Kyo is a wigger using a white-skinned model. A wigger using an actual black-skinned model would be 100x more controversial and I doubt Cover is THAT fucking retarded.

>>40898020
If Cover wants to IPO, they have to do the diversity and equality song and dance.
Only hiring women would be fine, good even, but their main product is content targeted towards the male weeb demographic, so they need to bring in fujos to balance it out. They'll do even better if some of the future talents are gay men, because that brings more diversity to their contractor roster.

>>40898020

>>40898380
>If Cover wants to IPO
Why would Yagoo want this? He already gets his talents put on billboards and storefronts in Japan.
He already made fat stacks working for imagineer and selling a different company altogether. The entire reason he made Cover was cause he wanted to fuck around in VR.

>>40846108
>as if the majority of holoJP ignoring men was an independent decision by the girls instead of a corporate mandated decision
newfag
they can choose to, the VAST MAJORITY don't you dumb gorilla nog

>>40898380
Only with vtubers that men are treated like diversity hires. I'm starting to understand the point some modern feminists are trying to make.

>>40847675
You think Cover has dudes in black suits monitoring what they do outside of work?
Maybe she wasn't actually as good friends with Maimoto as you think they were?
Why do you think she wants to collab with people that she isn't collabing with?

>>40821829
Yes but not in the way you think. It will be trannies like rev. Males under cute girl avatars for that western lgbt crowd support.

>>40898480
So if they can freely collab with men, how come the majority of them stopped doing collabs with men at the same time a couple years ago?

>>40821829
>iLuna has been a big success lets copy that

>>40902024
Nobody argues there wasn't a point where the ban was placed, or at least that's irrelevant to the point of discussion today whether it happened or not. Because everyone agrees there is no such ban now and has not been for a very long time (even if it did exist).

>>40902024
Why are you so focused on something that happened more than 3 years ago when in the last year and a half or so we saw multiple collabs between Hololive and Holostars? Just admit that you want to force all the girls to collab with the guys and be done with it. You're not fooling anyone with your stupid arguments.

>>40902430
It's far more likely that some Cover execs are micromanaging their talents and deciding who gets to collab with men and who doesn't. Just like how apparently a boob mousepad "doesn't fit Watame's brand", maybe they decided that collabing with men doesn't fit Subaru's brand but they need a dedicated Stars shill so let's make Suisei do it, she already told unicorns to fuck off.

>>40903114
>It's far more likely that some Cover execs are micromanaging their talents and deciding who gets to collab with men and who doesn't.
gonna need a source for that bucko

>>40903114
>she already told unicorns to fuck off
>t. threadreader

>>40844199
>99
I can't math

>>40903155
It is simply the reasoning that makes most sense. You can do some deluded mental gymnastics about how Cover apparently banned male collabs for everyone and then immediately reversed course and lifted the ban for everyone but for some peculiar reason only a couple JP talents decided to take up the offer while others basically pretend Stars don't exist like they're held at gunpoint. Personally I think it's more likely that Cover gets to decide who collabs with who, and they don't want some of their talent to collab with men to protect their unicorn audience.

>>40903286
>It is simply the reasoning that makes most sense.
as opposed to someone simply not wanting to collab with someone else?

Pekora is back to minecraft, send tempus in, NOW

>>40903286
Then explain the forced unity collab songs during the NYE live. If Cover gave a shit about what your retarded brain believe they do they wouldn't put the Stars in the middle of a stream on Hololive's official channel.

>>40903322
You seem to agree that there was a time in the past when Cover did ban collabs with men as the collabs all stopped essentially overnight. Did they develop some kind of acute misandry during that time or what?

>>40903366
My explanation makes perfect sense actually. Cover execs are balancing between trying to protect their unicorn income and shilling Stars. On the other hand your explanation makes zero sense. Why do you think the collab song was "forced"? I thought you believed the girls could do whatever they wanted?

>>40830239
>I believe

>>40903472
im asking for concrete proof that cover is micromanaging who they can and can't collab with at this very moment, schizoid

>>40903536
Why didn't EN collab with Nijis while the talents clearly had interest in it?

>>40903587
but we're talking about in-company collabs
do you think anyone is preventing roberu from collabing with mea?

It won't happen, this thread is a joke

>>40903472
They can do what they want, the forced part was shoving the Stars on an official Hololive stream, something that doesn't makes any fucking sense under your stupid argument. You're the one acting like the girls are unable to change their opinions and it's impossible for them to chose who they want to collab with. Mumei had that gartic collab early last year with a couple of Stars members and since then she completely ignored any question about them or the recent StarsEN members. What's more likely here: management forcing her to not do it anymore or her deciding that she doesn't want to do these types of interactions after trying it out? You don't need to answer me, it's pathetically obvious what's going to be your answer.

>>40903587
Because it's 100% confirmed it was Cover banning these collabs, rights?

>>40903635
Roberu can collab with Mea because management knows his fans love it. Subaru can't collab with Maimoto because they believe her fans would hate it. Sometimes they do Stars collabs with some other talents because they want a boost to Stars viewers. It's very simply all about money.

>>40838595
This place is containment anon.

>>40903879
so by your logic the talents themselves are just brainless puppets without any actual capacity of emotion and will, and instead everything is decided by the management?
wow why don't they make them work a lot more then

>>40903879
>It's very simply all about money
Sure is, schizo.

>>40903925
>so by your logic the talents themselves are just brainless puppets without any actual capacity of emotion and will, and instead everything is decided by the management?
I'm sure they don't like it but Cover has a reputation as the corp where management has most control over their talents for a reason. That's part of the reason why /vt/ loves them, right? "Talent freedom" is routinely mocked and Hololive is elevated as proof that women can only be entertaining if they're kept under strict management, otherwise they'll become whores like Nijis or indies.

>>40904076
>but Cover has a reputation as the corp where management has most control over their talents for a reason.
source?

>>40903472
Your entire nonsense narrative has no way to explain the forced HolostarsxHololive NYE thing because what was forced about it was not the songs, those were freely chosen and all the same girls who have always loved collabing with the Homos. What was forced is that segment appeared simultaneously in both the Holostars and Hololive streams that night. So it was forced on the Hololive audience, including the Holomems themselves since a large portion of them including those who don't interact with the Homos were watching and commentating over the Hololive stream live. If Cover wanted to keep a wall of separation between some girls and Hololive, it would not have done the one thing that didn't even allow the girls to maintain that fake barrier.

>>40824840
Like how it derailed viewcounts and fandoms for every en?
Face it trying to appropriate male female collabs was a fucking mistake omega, you ruined the branches future

>>40903692
That's what we said about homos

EN3 will have 8 girls that will form a guild that rivals tempus

>>40904076
Then explain Rushia/Mikeneko/Nazuna. She's not under Cover's management anymore, so why didn't she collab with men yet when a good part of the vshojo fanbase is trying their hardest to convince her to do it?

>>40821829
yeah, lesbians mixed with straight girls
rape is inevitable

>>40904544
Because she took a huge chunk of her fans with her. Why the fuck would she chase them away just to prove a point to a few western whores and fickle EOP fans that will fuck off after a month.

>>40904544
This homobeggars try to make it seem as if collating is the first option they'd go for, when many who have been in the business avoid it for obvious reasons. And what the fuck is this about "talent freedom" when that's a vshoujo cash grab

>>40904689
Acknowledging men's existence is the default option, yes. It's quite telling that it is quite literally only Hololive who has this problem. Nijisanji, VShojo, VSpo, 774, indies (Japanese or English) have never had this problem. The only counterexample I can think of is Nazuna, a former gachikoi farming holo, and even she tried to do it before she got shouted down by the audience that she made for herself in Hololive. Everyone else? They don't give a shit, they play games with men occasionally.

>>40904982
>even she tried to do it before she got shouted down
Source? Also can you just tell why do you care so much? It's stupidly obvious that you're not a Hololive fan, so why do you want them to become exactly like every other agency and not just watch those vtubers who are fine with male collabs?

>>40904982
>only Hololive has this problem
>problem
Where is the issue here? Why do they have to acknowledge your views?

>>40904982
How on earth would it be the first go when hololives entire market appeal is that they dont collab with men the other groups you mentioned are below cover for a reason they have no ingenuity to grab at in a industry that doesnt have much in the first place, trying to make a bunch of socially inept autists collab against your entire appeal and trying to use "entertainment" as your fall back will not work. Case in point the still growing decline of holoen. They should have kept it segregated that would have pulled at gachis even more.

>>40904982
>nooo women shouldn't have a place where they can safely do their own vtubing
kys tranny ur just mad you'd be in holostars if you ever got in

>>40905233
>when hololives entire market appeal is that they dont collab with men
That was never the appeal. Hololive started out and grew big while collabs with men were commonplace and universal. It was much later when some obsessive salarymen decided that maybe they can start milking their fans for a bit more money if banned acknowledging men exist.

>>40905345
No in the current age of vtubing that fact that they are more gachi friendly IS the entire appeal when everyone of your competitors pulls fanbases all the same, why do you think theres so many arguments over HOLOLIVE in particular with breaking unity? It's because as things stand the fact is that unicorn friendly corpos get the most traction.its what they have left.

>>40905345
Your "talent freedom" is simply a construct tranny, as soon as vtubing became a business it was dictated by the money that ran it

>>40905345
They grew big after Gen 3, when those collabs became much less common. Before that they were a Nijisanji copycat who could hardly be considered even the third biggest agency in Japan when you still had Unlimited pre-Gamebu fuck up and .Live Idol group pre-Sio fucking everything up. Stop acting like an oldfag when you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>40905345
>That was never the appeal.
That is literally the single reason why hololive is so big. Niji used to dominate all vtubing and Hololive found a niche that was so good, they ended up becoming bigger.
Now retards like you want to destroy hololive.

>>40905532
Yeah I find it hard to believe that Hololive could've survived if they were indistinguishable from the already established bigger players.

>>40821829
Why are you entertaining an idea that has absolutely no backing or reason behind it, as if it could possibly be true? Are you retarded?

>>40905954
People said the same thing about homos anon trauma from woke retardation is what causes these posts

>>40905954
I mean I don't think it'll happen but if you told me a year ago EN who be in one of it's worst dry spells with several talents in and out of commission, with EN holding the record for longest time without a new gen, and they would debut TWO homo gens within 6 months while all that's going on I would've said I don't think that'll happen either, so..

>>40906210
Even the most ardent Starsfags would call you a retard for thinking that StarsEN would have 8 members in less than 6 months a year ago. Nothing that happened after July makes any sense and things keep getting weirder the longer time passes, to the point I don't know if I should be hopeful for HoloEN news on HoloExpo, or good HoloEN news at least.

>>40905954
More than being retarded, is also clear than something must gone very wrong with the girls recruitment.
Likely a couple of candidates quitting or being discarded late for some jab or stupid reason.

And now you have also the problem of tempus debuffing unicorn money, the potential loss of top talent gura meaning less exposition, little support for 3d or events, sponsors and other income not looking so hot.
Holoen is just not this massive golden ticket anymore, they are not gonna poach those in others corpos or mid-upper size indies.

So a mixed gen can also happen by urgency, like having only 2-3 girls and so they fill in with males.

>>40915262
>Likely a couple of candidates quitting or being discarded late for some jab or stupid reason
Stop with the cope. Cover is retarded but not THAT retarded, not to mention when the open auditions started they were still THE female vtuber agency to go to, so if for some dumb reason any of the girls they got jumped ship at the last minute they would still have other options. Just apply Occam's razor and you'll reach the truth here: Cover, or at least the EN side of hiring, was not interested in debuting an EN3. Why? Who the fuck knows, but the fact that they're not shilling the auditions like they did 3 fucking times for the StarsEN side heavily implies that they aren't looking into debuting more girls for the EN side at the moment.

>>40915262
I dont think it will cause them to debut a mixed gen, but I think there is something to be said for the rrat that they cant get people who pass audition to sign up with the company. Maybe as they get closer to being holos it becomes more plain to see that they wont receive the kind of support they expect from management, or the contract terms are really bad compared to other opportunities and what the market demands these days. Any girl good enough to be a Holo can probably see that holoen is in a pretty bad state, especially after beginning official talks with the company

>>40916477
That also means they got a year+ old huge stack of talented streamers applications to check... and most of them are not interested anymore.

Is fucked anyway.

>>40821829
actually yes, all signs point to it, especially when holoEN management seems to be trying to wage war with nijiEN
>nijiEN gets males which is a big a success
>not long after, holoEN gets males to try and get a piece of the pie
>rolls out another gen of males in a short amount of time too
the last thing holoEN doesn't have yet is a mixed gen which nijiEN does.

>>40918297
And a big portion of that stack are from the dumb girls re-sending their auditions after the time limit expires (I believe it's 2 months) thinking they'll have their own Nene story of trying multiple times until Cover notices them, even when right now it's clear that Cover couldn't give less of a shit about people without a dick between their legs. Things will only look remotely hopeful when they use official channels to shill the female side of auditions, and even then it'll be too little, too late, because right now a lot of agencies, big and smaller, already have auditions going on for a while, and most people will not even consider Hololive after Cover pushed for 8 guys in record time. It's unironically easier for a girl to get accepted into Manjisanji than Hololive, and that's fucking depressing.

>>40916477
>Cover is retarded but not THAT retarded
The same cover that opened a starsEN branch despite the previous JP failure? The same cover that hasted male collabs in that same branch as if there was unanimous majority demand for it? The same cover that basically got rid of their #1 and #2 superchat earners? The same cover that hasted a second male wave after delaying the female one despite not having one after 1 year and a half and having half of the branch not streaming? That same cover?

>>40898380
>If Cover wants to IPO, they have to do the diversity and equality song and dance.
Ah can we kill blackrock now? I'm tired of their bs

>>40903587
It's Nijisanji who banned those collabs just like how they banned Kson

>>40919780
And the argument pushes the idea that Cover had a complete HoloEN gen but fucked up and decided to not debut any of them, something that has NEVER happened before. As we've seen with the new guys 2 of them were hired with the original 4 and instead of discarding them they made them wait around 6 months before debuting them with a complete gen, so why the hell the same thing wouldn't happen with HoloEN? It's infinitely more likely that the actual retardation wasn't "Cover tried but mysteriously failed" but that they aren't even looking for girls at the moment since they're still acting like the open auditions are only for StarsEN, and the only time they ever mentioned the girls' side was a whole year ago back when they announced the auditions.

>>40905954
Screencaping this post just in case

>>40920596
Yes, but you can make boys wait half a year (is not like they have any options for male vtubers) but a talented/experienced girl then will fuck off.

That's likely what happened, they had the girls but lost them waiting.

>>40920596
Uh wasn't that anon and wasn't following the conversation, I agree that it's more likely cover not wanting to open EN3 rather than having an incomplete branch to go with, I just wanted to point that cover is THAT retarded, that was it.

>>40921048
I will lose my mind if it's revealed later in the future that they had ghost girl on the bench but then she had to pick the jews in order to not starve because of the delay

>>40921048
If Cover and/or the EN staff had an incomplete branch and decided to bench them indefinitely then they fucking deserve to go back to the second place behind Nijisanji. I still don't believe they're even paying attention to female applicants just because that theory is much better than having them giving up debuting the new girls who were ready to be rolled out for whatever reason. And again, not even once they talked about the HoloEN auditions on official channels, and as much as retards love to say "but Holostars deserve all the help they need while Hololive will get thousands upon thousand of applications" I fucking bet my ass that the moment they tweet a reminder about it there will be a bunch of people saying they completely forgot about it since it's been a whole year since they even mentioned it.

>>40922082
There is no way they did not have some reserve, what if something happened early "killing" a couple of the girls when they had such huge numbers? They had to be ready.

But this mean those dumbfucks truly made tempus as eng 3, those idiots.

>>40923265
Here's the thing, if Cover had a mostly complete gen but were having difficulties to fill it out why didn't they do the same thing they did with StarsEN and shill their auditions? They did that days BEFORE the debut of the first 4 guys, but that didn't happen once during the last 12 months for the Hololive side. So having that in mind what's more likely here: they completely scrapped the plans they had for what will always be the more popular branch or they didn't have any intention of doing it in the first place? Yeah, both are insanely retarded, but one is a little less given how a similar problem actually happened this year and they were willing to deal with it.

>>40924666
They shilled boys auditions cuz they had few prospects, stareng are a new thing.

They don't need to shill for the girls, they likely get a hundred applications a week, even now.
So maybe they can also failed some poaching or nepotism hire.

>>40821829
*EN5

>>40925237
>They don't need to shill for the girls, they likely get a hundred applications a week, even now.
Refer to this post >>40922082. Also they did it 3 fucking times for StarsEN, with the last time being completely useless because it's impossible that at that point they didn't had the 4 new guys ready to debut since it happened 3 weeks before their reveal. For the love of god just use that grey matter that's inside your skull, anon.

>>40821957
yeah that's 69:420

>>40926543
HoloLIVE EN3*

>>40821829
yup, get ready

My personal rrat is that Tempus was supposed to be EN3 and next gen was supposed to be mixed, but because people pushed back, they where like "oh fuck, halt the plans find 2 more guys and debut them as Tempus2" and I believe that actual EN3 will come soon

>>40821829
no

>>40821829
Why would they do that?

>>40821829
yes
5 trannies
hololive rainbow

Absolutely nothing shows that to be the case. If it were the case, Tempus 2.0 would have been the mixed gen as it has been THE longest time ever between a girl gen.

The rrat I believe is that Holo EN 3 was delayed because of how poorly Myth and Council have been as entertainers and they're essentially rewriting future contracts and some of the people they had lined up for Gen 3 girls didn't agree to the new contracts so they had to push it back until they filled those spots.

>>40951528
>how poorly Myth and Council have been as entertainers
The no-stream period only really started at the end of the second half of 2022. For the first half of 2022 and 6 months into the open auditions HoloEN performed pretty much the same they always did, and we already know that the managers push for them to take as many breaks as they feel needed, so this stupid argument only comes from /vt/ who focus way too much on the last couple of months.

>>40916477
>Cover is retarded but not THAT retarded
Wrong. Tempiss 2 quickly become 3view. That spell doomed for the branch power people want to rely on. 3-4 view indie of course would like to fuck off cuz worse income share in corpo

>>40920596
Desperate guys will fuck around, but talented women will leave. Time is money for people with real talent after all

>>40951276
If en want to defeat vox, en must become niji - omegatroon probably