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BIG MONEY
Nijisanji does a lot more than just stream, they're largely a tech company, constantly trying to improve their tech(you should see their augmented reality stuff, its pretty cool). They're part of sony music to.
Now watch, someones gonna swoop in here with the listing of their stock and say something stupid.

Jouzu...Riku-kun HOWEVER !
>How does FORBES rank you?
>me? 3

>>40854973
Almost all their revenue comes from Nijisanji and Nijisanji EN anon.

>>40855127
they developed the technology to make idiots think they're a tech company

>>40855127
All me.

>>40855045
Riku is too successful to be on that list
>The Entrepreneurship Ranking 2023 in Japan is based on start-up entrepreneurs who were unlisted as of 27 September 2022, when the evaluation committee took place.

>>40854414
The business model is kind of insane. Build up a huge brand like this, and basically have chubas pay to be a part of it. And because you debut so many, it really doesn't matter if any of them can make enough to sustain a living.

>>40855492
Nobody pays anything to be part of Nijisanji.

Yeah, nah, someone mixed JPY and USD

>>40855550
No they didn't.

>>40855492
Most streamers dont live off streaming, the ones that do are the outliers, not the norm.
Even some of the more succesful ones have a regular job still and just stream at night, I imagine its nice supplemental income.

>>40854414
> billionaire
> pays their streamers a miserable amount.

Reported for /#/ content outside of a numbers thread

>>40855550
Looking it up right now at current prices the market cap of anycolor is 187.16bn yen so around $1.5bn and that's about half of the peak value it was trading it. So at one point it was likely worth over $3bn.

>>40854414
His EN girls keep getting mogged by Pippa

Not anymore
Their stock plummeted after november

>>40855162
No one actually believes they are tech company, right?

>>40855524
In practice a lot of what the talents do to drive views and engagement involves spending out of their own pockets, but this seems to be an industry-standard thing.

>>40855679
I mean you say that like it is outside the norm or something.

Imagine how bad this is for Japanese kids. They'll come home from high school after getting an A- and their parents will be like why can't you be like him?
Billion dollar or my son failure.

>>40855899
I thought you were suggesting they were paying Nijisanji to be a member, not just paying for their games or songs or whatever.

>>40855899
Yeah, and considering they don't get paid if they don't meet their quota, it's pretty much like they are either working for free or pay to work lmao.

>>40856065
They quite literally do though? Mysta just said on stream the other day that in the month when he didn't stream at all he still made money because of memberships.

>>40855854
Holy downfall kek

>>40856203
hope he sold a nice chunk of his shares

>>40855679
>Pays
Niji livers dont get salaries

>>40854414
Always funny when Niji pretends they're the little guy and they discover this.
Guess that's why Elon Musk is worshipped too?

>>40854414
>estimated to be worth
Not only was this before the stock halved itself, it's "estimated to be worth" that much, which is going to be a generous estimation if it's coming from something like the government.

>>40855524
In the end Nijisanji makes more off the streamers than they make from Niji. Their only expense for each chuuba is the models really, which the streamers more than pay back with Niji's cut. And anyone that costs the company money gets graduated. It's pretty cutthroat.

>>40856456
As far as being well known anywhere in the world that isnt Japan they are the little guy. But in terms of vtubers more generally yeah they are the big guy, highest revenue and profit of any vtuber company.

>>40856546
It's kind of impossible to know what they make off Niji isn't it? You would have to know how much they would have made if they remained indie vtubers to work that out.

>>40856518
It's not really an "estimation". They are quoting the market cap of the company at some point. What you would have to pay at that point in time to buy every stock in the company based on the price it is trading at. Like right now the market cap is 187bn yen so you would need around $1.5bn to buy the whole stock of the company.

>incorporate a tech/ar/vr company to bait investors and venture capital (cover, anycolor)
>immediately dump the funding into a otaku subsidiary that does anything but and write it off at board meetings as research
lol
lmao
lmfao

>>40856456
>Always funny when Niji pretends they're the little guy and they discover this.
Literally no one pretends niji is the little guy.

>>40857552
A lot of casual western fans probably operate under the assumption that Hololive is much bigger I would guess because their relatively popularity and fame in the west is so much greater.

>>40856456
They’ve never “claimed” anything, so this rrat says a lot more about how you view them and not how Niji views itself.
Although, even if you just talking about /vt/ consensus, they are indeed the lesser giant in a space with only two large players, as far as revenue, rankings go. Not indie, not the biggest fish. It’s like what Android brands are to iPhone (horrific analogy, but you get the point)

>>40855679
That's precisely why he's a billionaire.

hope he cashed out already because the stock tanked

>>40855679
That's capitalism

>>40858062
>Although, even if you just talking about /vt/ consensus,
So nobody important then.

>>40855679
i’m like, 99% sure the industry standard corpchuuba contract looks something like
>we will pay you once now, provide you with equipment, and let you keep all additional money from supas/subs/ads
>as long as we keep likeness/merch rights and management of such
In other words, the payment was always directly sourced from (you), the liver knew that going in, and the agency actually takes on most of the risk, so stop spinning some strange WORKERS VS RICH GUY story

>>40858881
Both Nijisanji and Hololive also take percentages of everything made on youtube. But otherwise you are basically correct.

>>40858881
>>40858952
How does Hololive and Nijisanji differ in payouts/salaries to their talents? I've been hearing that Hololive has a much more standard salary given to talent in addition to a portion of YT revenue, while Nijisanji only gives part of revenue only. Has this been confirmed?

>>40859341
https://youtu.be/u2fGW5Lt9jw
Deron here explains it.

>>40859341
Hololive from what I remember from when Kanata mentioned it ages ago gives a "salary" that isn't an amount you can actually live off of but is something while Nijisanji does not.

>>40856546
I know right? It's insane that a large corporation would make more money off an employee than an employee would make off from the corporation. Thankfully that's not what the capitalist system is normally like.

>>40856230
He couldn't sell, so these "billionaire" articles are useless

>>40860132
>>40858192
you've never had a job better than flipping burgers have you?

>>40860491
I work at an office job I make 30.15 an hour. Good pay.
Boss still makes over double that while working half the hours. His boss makes more than him while working maybe 1 day a week.

Friend works at the warehouse down the street, makes less than I do at about 23.50 an hour. Decent pay but their work is way harder than what I do. Their bosses make over double that.
Capitalism is a system designed around people getting rich off of other people's work while paying them significantly less than yourself, it's just a fact of life. Unless you're a billionaire you'll always be on the bottom of some totem pole

>>40860977
Compared to most workers I would say vtubers at Hololive and Nijisanji actually have it pretty good. If the rumoured splits are correct then they are taking home like 50% of the revenue their work brings into the company on most stuff.

>>40861181
They 100% do have it very good, just like anyone who was able to make a hobby their job.
I don't think anyone believes otherwise.

>>40854414
Is that a billion in USD or a billion Yen? A billion Yen is still a lot but not nearly as much.

>>40861250
Depends on your mindset.
Once your hobby becomes your job, it ceases being your hobby, and thats what leads to burn-out, you see it a lot with artists, they started drawing cause of passion, then it became their job and suddenly the passion is gone.

>>40860977
>Capitalism is a system designed around people getting rich off of other people's work while paying them significantly less than yourself, it's just a fact of life.
It's basically feudalism where the bourgeois replace the old nobility by using money

>>40861289
Nevermind I am dumb I just say the US,

>>40861289
USD, although the company is worth only $1.5bn at current prices so he isn't a billionaire right now still worth around $700m at 25 years old though.

>>40861298
skillissue
I fully agree tho

>>40860977
so yeah, shit jobs
I'm a programmer, business fails? I still get paid. Business does well? I get bonuses and royalties
dont compare talented creative people to janitors lol

>>40861452
You are still barely getting paid for the job you do, do you not realize that? Even as a freelancer.

>>40861452
Aren't they gonna fire you and replace you with AIs soon?

>>40861298
I don't really feel like I see this happen that much to company vtubers for some reason though. Or it usually takes a long while to set in. Like a couple of years and then suddenly they are barely streaming anymore and making excuses and being sick all the time or whatever. Those people probably lost the passion for content creation I guess. It's not really a quick onset thing in this industry seemingly.

>>40861580
Ina was feeling the burn out from art so she stopped doing arm streams for awhile.

>>40861507
I'm getting paid well and I take no risk, the company is risking their money, they're gambling so they get better odds than the sure thing
retarded communists dont know how business works

>>40861795
>Communism boogeyman
Communism doesn't even exist

>>40854953
Cope, holobrony

>>40854414
>stock valuation based on price of the last transaction for 1 share
>ima billionare now because someone will gib me billion cash for all my shares at any time
>not understanding the difference between valuation and liquidity
This is why your poor anon

>>40861917
Cope, Nijifag

>>40855127
>Almost all their revenue comes from Nijisanji and Nijisanji EN
Then what's the point of ID, why did you pander to them Riku?
Just terminate the former ID, purge their channels and write a public apology for bringing to such a horrid fandom to the vtuber community

>>40862424
If you actually look at the chart the dark blue section at the very top is everything they make from Bilibili, ID and KR combined. I assume the reason they keep that stuff is because of the poor image and fan backlash it would create if they terminated all those people. The best they could do for them was fold it into NijiJP where they don't have to report that its making a loss.

>>40854414
If that isn't a sign of on how much of a bubble vtubing is...

>>40862424
They literally do not pay them, it costs nothing to keep them around.

>>40854414
Why does his face look like that

>>40863122
that's a man? I thought it was just an ugly woman

>>40854414
>Look like an e-sports team reject
>Expect your company to be taken seriously
rumao

>>40855679
Niji dont pay their livers anon.. welp, not all of them at least.

>>40857182
Cover actually develope their techs tho. You can see the improvement each year if you are not a newfag ofc. Anykara.. well they did built an AR studio

>>40859341
They are basically the same except for each holos makes more money since they release more merchs that either personal or featured their talents and it ALWAYS sold out.

>>40854414
kek talk about a bubble

>>40861795
>risks
Yeah that's why bail outs exist lmao. Absolute cuck mentality.

>>40864012
bailouts exist because you support big government spending

>>40863558
Anycolor built their own tech to.
>>40863803
Except that Nijisanji does this to and release WAY more merch than Holo has.
Step up your bait game lads, this is some weak ass shit.

>>40864296
They exist because the corporations you support lobby the government to save them, retard. Plus even if their business "risk" pans out negatively, they themselves are at no material risk, and assuming they don't do the usual shit where they cut themselves a big fat check as they leave everyone else in a collapse of bankruptcy, they become poor wittle millionaires instead of billionaires. :(((((((

Like I said, cuck mentality.

>>40856456
>the holofag cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>40854953
some people do

>>40855679
Yeah, that's how it works. What? You think these people make this kind of money by actually paying their employees?

>>40864710
lobbying the government wouldnt matter if you didnt vote to allow the government to spend billions

Don't you vtuber newfags ever get bored of posting the same shit you've been posting over and over again since 2020?

>>40855524
Actually, going forward all the future Niji JP members will have to go through their vtuber academy. Nijisanji is the stupidest scam ever.

>>40855045
https://twitter.com/riku_tazumi/status/1328238483295535104

this thread shouldn't be allowed even usual shitposting thread are better because it at least more about vtuber than this shit, not to mention this guy face is legit looks annoying and punchable, give some edit at least

>>40858062
>They’ve never “claimed” anything
>Claimed they were the #1 vtuber corpo in the world
>Removed it when Hololive skyrocketed in popularity
???

>>40877945
>still mad that they made a true statement they were #1 that one year
>literally has nothing to do with a statement that claims they were the little guy

>>40870339
I don't think you know what VTA is lol

>>40854414
Is he Reggie fils-amae's bastard son?

>>40870265
My vote, which at no point went to support bail outs, is infinitesimal in its influence compared to corporate money, lobbying, bribes, etc.. Thinking your vote even matters is top tier cuckoldry.

>>40854414
>What the fuck... *Billionaire...?*
Problem?

>>40883674
then why do you keep voting for big government?