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>>40320023 ANIMALS!!!
>>40331419 VNUG LORE!!!

Nazunaanon, Please stay around. This thread can be very rude sometimes, but I promise you that its just because we are autistic retards!!!

Uooohhh! ToT

>>40409290
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>>40409229
Submitting for PPT
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You guys need to chill about the whole province thing a bit and not ahve liek 10 people go at ti at once.

Alice I love you!! ToT

>>40409404
thx for being so kind!! i guess i found that out, but i did something wrong clearly tho!

>>40409661
Nobodies even fussing ya goon. It's normal bants, get with the program grandpa

>>40409699
By wanting cool land that isn't occupied??? No, it's not fair for us to throw at you all of these things at once and basically demand you comply when you have barely an idea of what's going on.

>>40409699
Some dip their fingers into lore stuff they quite frankly should piss off from because thats not their lore or otherwise i will start rewritig the /meat/ exile and other stuff if they feel so strong about it.

as for the province stuff. the province map as is has one issue that was not taken into consideration when it was made as in that places closer too the equator are way bigger than things oon the north and south of it. the 5 provinces you chose are incredibly large in contrast to even 7-8 in other places but people are a bit too stupid to properly word that. plus the reason the island was left as one big province i think was for people that wanted primarly have that island as a nation and not as a fifth province added to the land.

the thing sadly is not very perfect and people should better voice WHY there are perceived issues, not jsut say its a potential issue.

sorry that i myself didn't have time to respond more properly before but i am involved in divegrass stuff and we had a game today so i had to stay vigilant over there.

>>40409876
well, i liked the last proposal. it worked for me but anon said that i was being mean to map creator and making new lands...

Where is the Lunaito
I want to offer a fraternal friendship of blood and iron

>>40410021
You cannot stop me for writing for other threads ohohoho

>>40410024
I think it is a good compromise Well, of course I think so, I make it.

>>40410021
Also, the provinces are not like, set in stone. They can be modified if needed, they're not perfect, they're more like a starting point.

>>40410024
And that anon was being a retard because "making new lands" is actually just "making the island a bit smaller"

>>40410033
Of course, I forget if I had mentioned an official knightly collaboration but that'd be based. What did you have in mind?

>>40410082
You can't even write for your own thread, Pink Man, much less other threads...

>>40409699
By no means did you do anything wrong other than ruffle jimmies of head canon perhaps of what they think your lore should be. I agree with retro that its not their business to dictate to you like that and I think the proposed map (2nd one) is reasonable.

Welcome, I am the hoshiyomi rep. Nice to meet you, and I hope we can write one day.

>>40410033
>>40410251
Shit I should've used one of the muscle luna's I had for thematic post continuity

>>40410024
>>40409350
CHANGE RUMINA TO THIS PLEASE <3

>>40410299
I thought I already said I was writing stuff for /ag/ and /lig/

>>40410183
thx for doing that!!
>>40410241
I was confused when he said that..
>>40410334
Thx and nice to meet you. Let's do it!!

>>40410024
yeah i think this should be fine, and while the provinces there might be bigger i want to remind all the oldfags that when /wvt/ used to be there, they were EVEN BIGGER, this is half of what the nation there used to be, so sayign this is too large is a vast overstatement.

and if people feel that the provinces there still are too big because people forgot to account for the whole planet shift thing then fix it and make provinces there smaller so that new people that don't know that don't get confused when they look at it an just go off what is given to them.

>>40410408
>>40409290
fixing this for them

>>40410563
The province system aimed to fix the problems of shit being too big and this is still to big. 3 or 4 provinces at most.

>>40410640
Then Nazuna anon's point should be true, fuck all nations. Province them all and let's reduce them like you said anon.

>>40410513
Writing vs. Have Wrote.

>>40410251
Open alliance, joint naval patrols. The alliance can be offensive or defensive, I think offensive alliance is cooler though there's no war I intend to start.
Trade agreement of your sugary food and alcohol for silver and other minerals like iron. Diplomatic friendship.

I don't know how technical you want to be, I'm a beginner I suppose.

>>40410731
Starting with /who/, who has two cities named.

>>40410640
>The second smallest nation on the whole continent
>too big

>>40410640
Bro, do I need to show you the size of PCG and VSJ? India and China sized? /lig/ right next to them is also massive. Btw, only pyon is smaller...

>>40410513
Saying you write for them and actually doing that are two different things.

>>40410998
>>40410513
I already wrote for them!

>>40410891
Offensive is good, I've been planning to invade /hlgg/ but it's beginning to change into more of a pre-invasion warm up, either way I don't want to drag any allies into it so we'll be good with offensive.
Trade stuff sounds good too, we'll throw in any new chuubanite information we discover and invite any researchers you have to the artic base we've got going on with the Deadbeats. In terms of technical stuff I think a treaty or just a basic lore entry would work, I'll get on those most likely this weekend but it really isn't a rush.
>>40411154
Yeah what he said!

The only lore i will drop for rumina is we are monotheist trinitarian as a thread.

>>40411261
umm BASED?

>>40411261
well if the last proposal by alice is fine with you then i personally thinkk its fine and i doubt other reps will care for the size with that too much either anymore.

if you want to create any lore with neighbours, i am your neighbour to the south and i also talked a lot with the last /lig/ rep and got a rough idea of what he was going for so i am more than willing to help out once you want to tackle that kind of thing.

alsoo might i ask how important the fact that you fought for a new home agaisnt people is for you? because if the finding a new home for yourselves is the more imporotant bit i would like to make a suggestion maybe that you could consider with no string attached. but if you want to focus on other things first then i don't want to overwhelm you.

>>40411518
I think we should fight for it, because we had to fight as a thread and still do!! Thanks retroanon, you and alice are very helpful and nice among the others that have been very nice!! Let me think for a while

>>40411583
ok, np, thats why i wanted to ask before i made the suggestion so i don't muddle your stuff

>>40411255
Global? Right for the jugular? What are you Oda Nobunaaaga? That sounds fun.
Oh and I want to buy pumpkins off you and designate pumpkin farms as sacred lands to be cultivated and protected. My people will go psycho if they can't get their favorite food. Something like that haha.

>>40411875
>What are you Oda Nobunaaaga?
Nah he's just delusional kek

>>40411875
Global will pay for the invented slights against the Candy Kingdom uses to justify its conquest. I'll need to flesh out /hlgg/ as a nation before I can take over its ports though, it'll definitely make for some fun lore whenever I get around to it.
Do not worry, the pumpkin industry is a safe investment. I might make a order of luknights for rural farming or have lunaitos to specifically optimize in farming and agriculture since Luna spends hours doing that type of thing, it would reasonably be a big thing culture wise.

>>40412228
You aren’t conquering it.

>>40411583
Think you guys just got nuked by chuubanite.

>>40413919
They did, its canon and was part of the laws at one point kek. Bunch of ghouls there now.

>>40413919
>>40414095
Nuked?? more like our friends all betrayed us on the orders of the holoemperor.

>>40414148
Off topic: but meatbro is a cool dude, and not scary.

Hey Nazuna anon, I suggest you look up Sabelianism.
It's an idea that the christian trinity were all different 'states' of the same being
This fits RuMiNa well. All three deities are different states of the same roommate.
The fallen self: Rushia
The true self: Mikeneko
The self she wants to achieve: Nazuna

>>40414428
Bring up that image of meatbro on the soc-cord

>>40414931
Ok i will

bump for the /vtwbg/ bros

How are things this Friday?

>>40421246
watching ame, and waiting on that character sheet for the robot girl.
By the way, to the other hooman, tell me if there's anything on the list I should write about, since I can't think of anything right now.

>>40409229
https://rentry.org/8s7gf
my first lore entry, under rumina arigato. May they forever be cursed for their treachery!!

>>40425754
Oh hey, hooman mention. I think the extent of our real world involvement was that we got a really annoying fandead/hooman for a little while.
I'll agree with the depiction, most of the holofanbases were pretty agressive against the fandead, innit?

>>40426653
Yes it was us against the world!! I didn't know about that part so nice touch then by accident!!

>>40426767
By the way, I'll ask what exactly are you planning to have as cultural influence, you planning on going full roman or more general mediterranean influences? Or maybe something entirely unrelated. Do tell.

>>40425754
Very nice intro!!! I always love letters because they can give so much detail in them about a situation, culture and history without telling too much. The way Rushia is mentioned is rather unique, and especially the "My Wife" part, is that religious? What of the word Rumina in this context too? All of hololive just was cursed...

>>40427182
It was the top of my head honest!! Idk about naming schemes yet sorry!!
>>40427317
Thx!! It was easy to communicate this way instead of those big blobs I saw others write...
Our thread called her, "My Wife" often. As for Rumina, I like it as a word so it seemed nice to end a prayer with it i guess.
MAY THEY BE CURSED :D!!

>>40427775
>It was the top of my head honest!! Idk about naming schemes yet sorry!!
Alright then, no worries, we don't have anyone from sankisei anyways, so you can grab from anywhere and it will work, considering the situation, you could have a really fun thing with the modern era having a different culture from the past due to interaction with the new peoples. All up to you, just remember to relax

>>40422279
I'm hit with a sinus infection from allergies. So tonight's dinner is hot pockets. Taking it slow for the weekend. I think I gave enough info to /uoh/. Don't know what else to do at this time. Thinking about building a prototype d20 system so I don't have to use OGL. Debating if I want magitek punk or space cowboys.

>>40428770
>Debating if I want magitek punk or space cowboys
Space cowboys sounds easier to organize, as a concept anyways.

>>40428446
Thx!! I will be fine i think with a little help from my friends!!

>>40415267

>>40430406
>plushies
>girl toys
That him???

>>40430406
who?? Looks girly and kawaii.

>>40428770
I always wanted to have Phantasy Star but with space cowboys. And by Phantasy Star I mean the older Megadrive titles where they're more like Star Wars.

>>40422279
A bunch of stuff. I kind of lack the motivation to write stuff recently. Right now a thing that needs to be done is to figure out the pre-republic relation with Hoshiyomi. I'll get back to the agriculture, geography and other cultural stuff that needs a rewrite soon.

>>40432537
You know what? I just remembered I never did write about the fort system, I'll try to work on that.

>>40430406
who the fuck are these weebs?

And the results are in!
WARanon
WORLDBUILDING THREAD BTW
Magic Is Everything
Just write, niggers
Nuefag Died For Our Sins
Fleet Measuring Contest
stealth /meat/ thread
"I will keep this brief"
The Great Autism Singularity
Another fucking chuubanite argument
45+ chapters of milautism
The Legendary Lost Kingdom of Fish Pajeets
Flesh & Bones Conspiracy
An Onobot playing divegrass
Holy Ghost
ABANDON SCIENCE HAVE SEX WITH SQUIRRELS
The armor does NOT come off
The Brick
____CUTOFF____
A group of overqualified OC makers
Do NOT annex the forest
A deadbeat with a fridge
Stop these baseless accusations!
Takeus Longclock the Archivist

After looking over the results and checking it together with how much we can feasibly do for new players we have decided to cut the 5 players with the least amount of votes. It sadly wasn't as clear-cut as we had hoped but with the new models that need to be made and the updates we'd like to provide for existing ones, this was the fairest we could come to as a conclusion.
This gives us 5 new players to add to the roster, but before we vote on which of the new suggestions will be added, I wanted to run an idea by you guys. Since we have a /risu/ rep in ABANDON SCIENCE already confirmed, and several other /risu/ suggestions that would all be splitting the /risu/ votes among themselves, how would everyone feel about taking the /risu/ ideas off the main poll and moving them to a separate vote over what to call the /risu/ player? That way the most popular option has a better chance of being on the team. Let me know your thoughts on this, and keep a lookout for the next poll coming in a day or so!

>>40434276
Oh and the chuubanite as well... We never picked it back up.

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>>40425754
/morig/ was one of the few holo threads that was friendly to rushia/fandead during that whole thing, maybe the Black Fleet could be replaced by something else there?

dump

>>40403704
They probably represent vastly different things so it’s fine!
I borrow quite a bit from the Kalevala and Finnish mythology (in particular the role of music and songs in magic) for /vnug/ so I think I should include more references to it! It’s implied that knowing and singing about the origin of something (iron in this case) gives one control over it (the flintlock mechanism in this case) but I don’t know if that would actually work so I made it ambiguous enough to justify it in other ways. It’s funny that you mentioned lyrics since my music of choice when writing that part actually doesn’t have lyrics

>>40425754
Welcome!

>>40447978
headbump for /vnug/ bro

Palkyries eating watermelon.

https://youtu.be/oM-TBYPLz-U

Chapter 1: nait

Chapter 2: vait

hump

>>40440391
>Since we have a /risu/ rep in ABANDON SCIENCE already confirmed, and several other /risu/ suggestions that would all be splitting the /risu/ votes among themselves, how would everyone feel about taking the /risu/ ideas off the main poll and moving them to a separate vote over what to call the /risu/ player?
Sounds good

Where should I start if I want to get into this whole thing?

>>40471245
Welcome! This (https://rentry.org/vtwbg-intro)) should do to get you started on the basics of rules (which to be frank is more etiquette ) and the settings. If you have any other questions just ask. You can either be a rep for your thread (meaning you have a vote in any decisions to change the setting) or you can just participate as a writer for your home thread. May I ask you which thread do you use the most?

Generally, we advise anons to focus on one of their home threads which I have come to regret to an extent. But really you can write for any threads, just know that if a new anon joins and wish to represent a thread they have the right to alter your lore. And that nations with active writers can refuse any requests/additions from anons that don't frequent that thread(nation). Though anons in the thread would also tell them to try reconciling as much difference between the original and any new lore as possible. Really just try to write something for your

>>40440391
can we cut more of these off.

PG if you are there, newsuner had some ideas for risu chuubanite concepts and I would like you to go over them. Don't worry about being fully autistic here, I can be the inbetween if needed.
>>40326416
(POST ITS REPOSTED)
Ok, newsuner here. Lay out my thoughts about Risu Chuubanite
>Chaos (Active and Passive)
Active verison of this is used for the rockets and magical stuff.
Passive leaks into our society, which is chaotic and one of the reasons why we are disunited and tribal. Aggressiveness and Horniness is also a passive effect here. In effect, we are both warlike and peaceful, naturally chaotic.
This reflects Risu's nature.
>Apathy
Passive. It reflects our thread's apathy towards many things but also reflects Risu's own apathy at the moment. It is another reason why we are disunited is because we don't care. I can see us unironically using drugs like marijuana. There is also a doomer part of this which Risu herself has played into this year that has caused this to emerge. Our threads die fast and cannot stay alive, which can be attributed to that but I don't know how to show that in world.

>Does this get rid of the magical trees and all of that.
I am not certain whether these two elements change that but it shouldn't. The key traits of risuners and our thread are apathy, chaos and the same level of horniness as most generals.

>>40471245
Aside from the rules and other stuff, I am going to generally ask you two questions
>1. What do you like to write about and what is interesting to you?
>2. What thread would you like to write for?
Welcome, I am the 2434 rep and happy to help!

>>40473345
what is this supposed to be? the use of active and passive, as well as the mention of chuubanite seems to indicate that these are supposed to be the effects of /risu/'s new chuubanite, but all i see here are vaguely emo-sounding words representing the current state of /risu/ according to newsuner. if he was trying to describe their core concept i would argue that he may have missed the point. these two ideas seem to be meant to represent entirely separate, potentially incompatible ideas that only correspond with surface-level observations of how the thread is only at this very moment in time, rather than some inherent truth of what the thread itself represents. a core concept should transcend time and circumstance, and should describe all of it in as elegant, and distilled of a way as possible. what is this supposed to be, what intention do you have in involving me in this? if i had to describe risu herself in regards to chaos and apathy, based off of what little i have seen of her, i would say she has energy spikes that follow the system of order that someone with add might sympathize with. as in, it's definitely not chaotic, and definitely not apathetic, but someone who doesn't know any better might mistakenly use those words. with that said, that's just my interpretation of risu the streamer, which i admit is not very much, it just feels like that is what you are describing, which would make much more sense given what little i do know about this subject. personally, i would doubt that risu the streamer's core concept is defined by those energy spikes, but if they made up an important aspect of it, the core concept might be described by a river or ocean, with waxing and waning waves that sooth as easily as they drown, and that go in whatever direction the current takes them, i would not use the words apathy or chaos to describe it for any reason, and in any context, they are not only separate ideas, but they are hardly compatible. apathy is death, and there is nothing more orderly than the dead, empty void that is imagined with the concept of apathy. also the trees would require a rework with the possibility of being removed entirely if we change the nature of the chuubanite. what are the actual effects of the chuubanite supposed to be?

>>40473345
what is this supposed to be? the use of active and passive, as well as the mention of chuubanite seems to indicate that these are supposed to be the effects of /risu/'s new chuubanite, but all i see here are vaguely emo-sounding words representing the current state of /risu/ according to newsuner. if he was trying to describe their core concept i would argue that he may have missed the point. these two ideas seem to be meant to represent entirely separate, potentially incompatible ideas that only correspond with surface-level observations of how the thread is only at this very moment in time, rather than some inherent truth of what the thread itself represents. a core concept should transcend time and circumstance, and should describe all of it in as elegant, and distilled of a way as possible. what is this supposed to be, what intention do you have in involving me in this?
if i had to describe risu herself in regards to chaos and apathy, based off of what little i have seen of her, i would say she has energy spikes that follow the system of order that someone with add might sympathize with. as in, it's definitely not chaotic, and definitely not apathetic, but someone who doesn't know any better might mistakenly use those words. with that said, that's just my interpretation of risu the streamer, which i admit is not very much, it just feels like that is what you are describing, which would make much more sense given what little i do know about this subject. personally, i would doubt that risu the streamer's core concept is defined by those energy spikes, but if they made up an important aspect of it, the core concept might be described by a river or ocean, with waxing and waning waves that sooth as easily as they drown, and that go in whatever direction the current takes them, i would not use the words apathy or chaos to describe it for any reason, and in any context, they are not only separate ideas, but they are hardly compatible. apathy is death, and there is nothing more orderly than the dead, empty void that is imagined with the concept of apathy. also the trees would require a rework with the possibility of being removed entirely if we change the nature of the chuubanite. what are the actual effects of the chuubanite supposed to be?

>>40477049
I feel like chaos and apathy in terms of streamers is pretty common with alot of them and should be used less as themes for what chuubanite can do and more to describe the tendencies with how easy it is to work with magic quanta, as in chaotic tendencies result in chaotic mq patterns and apathetic tendencies result in low energy or flat reaction patterns.

>>40471245
A shot of whiskey and thinking about what a chuuba based society would look like

>>40477675
no, that just overcomplicates the mechanisms, replaces old mechanisms, pollutes the symbiology, and adds an unnecessary exception in the symbiology that at the same time reduces the value of those concepts which are given unearned exceptions for the benefit of those who are indecisive and unwilling to put in the effort to figure out a better idea, at the cost of the opportunities of those who are more deliberate in their descriptions. we have systems that are meant to represent each idea you just described, combining them haphazardly and without any logic behind it can only lead to negative results.

>>40478275
So how would the emotional/content tendencies be represented through the lense of the chuubanite system? Chaos as a concept is pretty vauge in terms of what it implies.

gentlemen?

>>40478674
i gave an example with what he offered. most of the other examples are actually formulated in a coherent way, so he could take inspiration from them, too. if he is around, he could get into a conversation about it. would be easier to help if i knew what he was thinking.

>>40477049
>>40478275
Man, I just started, you didn't need to be an ass. I just needed help figuring the core concepts and you call it "emo-sounding", call me "indecisive and unwilling to put in the effort to figure out a better idea". I am sorry I didn't have it down perfect immediately bro, my god, why even bother with this when the people who are autistic about it are total pricks who want to demean anything that isn't perfect in their eyes to what their standards are, and also refuse to even help after I asked 3 times.
Fucking hell, I chose those simple words because I think they embody Risu and the thread better than anything. As a thread, we are apathetic and keep dying because of it. Risu herself has said "She barely cares about streaming anymore." Ask the other Risuners, and they will tell you this.
Surface observations? Motherfucker I have been here since the first Risu thread and I am telling you that is what we are like. We don't give a fuck generally, and over 2022 became Blackpilled. Why do I always have people that aren't even Risuners telling me that my observations are incorrect from their brief surface analysis.

>>40480125
Not to mention it took another Risu writer to even get anyones attention. FFS

>>40480125
Why do we only get the stupid tree rats...

>>40480594
Tree rats rule the world kek.
>>40480125
As the original risuner in this thread your pretty much right. And dont let the crazies get to you btw we just have an infestation of them.

>>40480837
So he is crazy? Fucking hell...

>>40481192
He literally just said that apathy and chaos are conflicting descriptions for a core concept

>>40481298
Then chaos it is. Apathy can be shown in other ways.

>>40477049
>>40478275
Ey yo you in a bad mood or something? This came off extremely aggressive.

>>40481651
Meh, he was given fully autistic card. I don't see the issue here.

Wait since most of /hag/'s population is 30 to 40 year old women getting pregnant and having families, does that mean a significant amount of the populace has developmental issues associated with being born to older parents?

>>40481766
Nah, he might word shit in a way he doesn't mean sometimes, but this was different.

>>40481835
Iirc haganon mentioned that their life cycle is a bit different, women reach the point where they are hags faster, and stay one for longer or something. So you might be looking at 20yo hags. Might also just be misremembering it, would need to wait for him to come on.

>>40481863
Not really? This doesn't seem any more aggressive than usual, just an assertive and no nonsense tone to me.
The surface level part isn't saying its a surface level observation of all of risu, it means a surface level observation of how risu is right now rather than how risu has been throughout its thread's existance and a lot of other negative seeming dialect there just seems like, "maybe you misunderstood this or used the wrong words for that" it's at least not mostly hostile.

>>40482138
idk, calling someone better much lazy and emo sounding is beyond normal for him.

Lunaito, have you ever considered writing for hlgg normally at all?

>>40482497
What does normally mean?

>>40482138
This>>40482431. I have seen enough of his posts and had enough convos to know this ain't how he usually is. The thing that really shows that is the "what intention do you have in involving me in this?" at the end of the first paragraph.
That comes off as if he's annoyed at being involved and he doesn't want anything to do with it. On a chuubanite discussion post. But hey, I'll wait for him to come on to gimme the deets, perhaps it really was me misunderstanding.

>>40482581
Instead of focusing on invading them, you could write actual lore for them and interact with other nations.

working on Ruminanity, our religion!! how do you find out dates?

>>40482985
Yeah that's the point
>>40482431
>>40482619
I don't really see where he's calling it lazy,

>>40483106
>Dates.
973 for final yab
976 for graduation (adjusted is 1109 but idk if that makes sense)
Don't have it for Nazuna in VSJ though,

>>40483125
>"ndecisive and unwilling to put in the effort to figure out a better idea

>>40483184
Thx!! what does adjusted mean?? i would want it to be at 976..

>>40483254
Yea but that wasn't in response to the initial post, that was a response to the chaos and apathy pattern suggestion

>>40483294
Since it is the only adjusted date, I have to assume it means how someone made it canonically that date somewhere but I don't believe that it should take precedence over what you want.

>>40483478
Thx!! I will use the normal dates...

how do you upload images to a rentry?? i rlly want to upload this that i made... all me btw, drew this by hand!!

>>40484041
Upload them to imgur, then get the link to the image itself, not the post(open it in another tab works) and then there's instructions in the "how to" rab on rentry. Iirc it's something like [text](image)

>>40484126
okey thx!! i have figured out a lot last nigth and today on that..

>>40482619
my attention has been split for a while and i haven't slept for a few days but feel like i still have a lot of stuff i need to get done. sorry if i came across as an ass, but it doesn't quite look like the guy was given the right idea of what to go for before he did it. even now, by simply taking one of the options instead of explaining how they worked, or what "apathy" was supposed to imply, i feel like he isn't quite getting it.
>>40480125
the way you describe it makes it sound like it's mostly angst. i also said you get to decide it, and that you know more about it than me, but the way you describe it now makes it seem like you don't even know why it still exists, and are simply waiting for the inevitable time for the whole thing to just die off. is there a reason for you to keep coming to, and making the thread beyond habit, do you think others might have a reason to come back to your thread? what is it that separates your thread from literally any other, especially on 4chan, where everyone is chaotic and apathetic? was there ever anything unique or interesting about your thread initially? same questions apply to your chuuba. yes, it does sound emo. also, did you read the buildup to >>40478275? i wasn't saying anything about you, i was talking about the idea that >>40477675 suggested.
>chaotic tendencies result in chaotic mq patterns and apathetic tendencies result in low energy or flat reaction patterns.
it creates a system that
>reduces the value of those concepts which are given unearned exceptions for the benefit of those who are indecisive and unwilling to put in the effort to figure out a better idea, at the cost of the opportunities of those who are more deliberate in their descriptions.
don't take what i say out of context. also, yes, i would typically describe "chaos" as a surface-level observation. chaos defies order, and is unpredictable and uncontrollable, that's how i typically view it. describing anything as chaotic implies it lacks order, which is more often an admission that you don't understand enough how it works.
typically when people say chaotic, they mean energetic, not because the words have anything in common necessarily, but because the knee-jerk reaction to seeing a small glimpse of an energetic system is to assume it is chaotic. if you are saying it is chaotic, and also apathetic, then this is not a question of which word you want to stick to, this is a question of which words you actually mean, and what the connecting line of logic is between them. both are necessarily surface level observations because there is no way they can both be the core concept. i worded in in a rush, and i wont deny that i wasn't in the best of moods at the time (still am not) but it wasn't exactly my intention to come of as a prick, it just seems strange. i figured if you had an example, such as with the river/ocean idea, that you could get a better picture of what you might want to strive for.
as i said, i doubt it is that simple, and you know your thread better than i do, but that is the way i think you should try to think about things, an underlining concept that connects all aspects of your thread. if there is an element of apathy, you should not disregard it by choosing to only represent the elements of chaos, you should seek to find where the connections between these two ideas are and find a word that describes said connection instead. you should also really think about the thing that keeps your thread from taking the final step into the void, because your description sounds more like a doompost than anything else.

>>40409229
https://rentry.org/Ruminanity
Rumina religion!! Some things done, need to do more.. Uxor Vult!

>>40487466
So this is pretty much copy pasting Christianity and deliberately not telling the truth about Rushia yab. Idk how you can denounce all other religions as wrong when you acknowledge that they are part of the same pantheon. Also, your great trek isn't logical. How are you getting 200,000 people over to whereever you are, and actually winning? The Black Fleet, and the Hoshiyomis would destroy you on the way, unless you magically have the best navy in the world which is problematic. And from what I am reading, you are going to be causing issues for Retro so I question your placement now even more since you went full crusader larp.

>>40488212
>something something highly illogical

>>40488212
im just trying my best anon... im sorry but idk what to do to satisfy you or the others if this is really that bad... but also, no i am not changing it because i will just say that it all makes sense with magic and divine will!!

>>40488212
Speaking for myself... We do not care and will not attack so leave my nation out of your little headcanon adventure into space please!
>>40487466
Very well done! Don't listen to that anon, I think it looks great and makes sense given the situation overall. This is very well detailed, and I think you are bringing something very special to this project so don't let the whiners weigh you down when you can fly!

>>40488423
No it isn't, anon is just trying to spark a conflict by roping different factions into it. In all likelihood, you'd be protected by the Black Fleet and probably escorted to your new homeland because of the Holodeath pantheon.
The one thing you probably shouldn't do is overly rely on magic to solve issues though.

>>40488597
we don't want their escort!! We will make it on our own fine, i believe!! thx for the offer..
>>40488576
Thx!! I am happy you think i am bringing something very special, makes me feel really good that you think that actualy!! :)

>>40488772
Its not really an offer since I dont write for them but it could work as an example of how you get from the Holocontinent to the Indie Continent.

>>40488772
No problem! A positive atmosphere is built of genuine praise and admiration, I think. I am really interested to see how you take this as this, as between your intro piece and this, I feel like you are showing something really unique and unprecedented in my opinion. Keep it up!

>>40488871
that's okey!! But i already wrote of them attacking us before venture, so it wouldn't make sense anyways!! also forgot, i am not using magic to solve the issues..
>>40488978
Thx again!! <3

>>40488212
>>40488423
>>40488597
I don't think highly of Rushia and her situation, but I like the attitude. It reflects the general's psychopathy towards her. In fact I dare say this Nazuna rep is the perfect embodiment of the Nazuna general. If somebody writes lore like that it doesn't necessarily mean it's the absolute truth, it's a history written by them.

But I do really think you should take a beaten down pilgrim's approach. That would suit your history wouldn't it? As someone who was cast out by others. You don't need someone else's happy escort, but you don't need to fight your way out either. You could consider it both a crusade and an involuntary expulsion.

>>40489125
Thx!! im not giving my own thoughts but i am part of my general i write for so i will embody it!! tryign the approach of both actually!! We had to hold off against all odds and lost millions in the process, all things sacred and holy destroyed aside from a few that i am not revealing :) but our divine right brings us to the new land, where we genocide the natives as my Wife would want us to. TO answer those will ask about vshojo, the general really doesn't accept vshojo at all... i originally was going to write for vsj reluctantly because im not really a fan myself but wanted to write for my Wife.

>>40489125
Exactly my thoughts too, it's a perfect representation of that general in my opinion and tells their own story rather well which is why I am really happy with this and think it deserves a lot of praise considering the perspective.

>>40488423
I have to agree with the others aside from negative nancychama. This is one of the better representations and the most "Rumina" way of doing this in my opinion since you aren't leaning into anything but your own general's thoughts and perspectives!!!!

>>40489780
Thx!! <3 All this praise is making me feel grateful and happy!!

Now we need the other side of rushia yab to be written on

i don't really see the point of arguing over the religious view of a nation differing froom how the rest of vitubia sees things. obviously beliefs differ strongly oon lots of things.

only critique i see some valor in is moving that huge amount of people over an entire ocean from a place that was without sea connection at all, tho obviously that shouldn't really be set in stone, to a place that would defend itself is really stretching the limits of disbelief a bit. i can see the valor in discussing this a bit more on how to make this work more proper. i can udnerstand the desire of wanting to do this alone from a thread perspective but for inworld maybe there should be some leeway given to involve some nations in this like potentially vsj+.

>>40488423
Welcome to the club of pic related

>>40485386
You feeling okay, friend? If it's because of recent incidents I'm just as burnt out.

>>40491359
There are lots of ways that it could hypothetically be done, but that's up to the Rumina writer to decide or if they want to leave it for now.
>>40493104
I saw Akira talking a bit about a Call of Cthulhu scenario, which I thought was pretty cute.

>>40493104
that's part of it, but it is also irl stuff that i shouldn't get into much i guess. i'm fine, so don't worry too much about me.

>>40491359
I will figure it out with help when i get on map!! I think!!

Hoshi, I have a clever idea that will allow us to flesh out our own history while making sense of things during the background during the time of Rushia yab... How about a war between us over some random island that occupies our attention, and yours from Rumina indirectly...

>>40495908
Good... that works for me too since we do need to flesh that out!

>>40494504
in regards to help, i actually would have a proposal about soemthing i spitballed a bit with alice together that might actually explain a lot of the things with your lore and how its feasable,

in regards to the nation that used to be there, i would propose /ccu/ to have been there.

/ccu/ is a thread that died around the same time as the yab happened and it features chuubas that now are part of /lig/. with /lig/ being the neighbor of this and retro reich being allied with /lig/, there could have been a conflict between /lig/ and /ccu/ about their gods and us two fighting them is why they were already in a bad shape by the time you arrived. Your people then fighting with zeal for a new home was for them what broke the camels back and made part of /ccu/ come to terms with /lig/ and flee annd immigrate into /lig/ while other parts were fought off or driven out to other palces by you and creating what is the current land of /rumina/. part of current /lig/ might also have been former /ccu/ land, who knows.

/rumina/ having helped solve this conflict would also be why /lig/ and /vrt/ would feel positive towards you and welcome you as neighbors among us.

i think this would explain how you managed to beat a foe on their hometurf despite having needed to cross an ocean and with /ccu/ and /lig/ having ties to each other in this way also means that its not just some nation sacrificed as a scapegoat to make your lore work. it would also answer some logitistical issues liek how yoou mananged to get some supplies in the early days sicne /vrt/ and /lig/ would have helped there. and /vrt/ is also one of the bigger naval nations so maybe we even helped you with relocating some people, might have even asked our allies in /2434/ for some help there, but that last part about helping with relocating is not something you need to invovle at all, i don't want to be too pushy here, jsut some idea.

it also would create some interesting history for the continent as a whole. Maybe mr. bearfucker wants to involve /yah/ also a bit in this since it might make for some interesting dynamics for him and /yah/ too.

i hope this idea sounds well for you and keeps enough of the lore as you wanted it for your nation intact as you envisioned it.

assuming i get on the map where is suggested, what will my neighbors think of the total genocide of the locals??

>>40496357
You just answered my question below!! What if we just showed up on that island without warning?? who else is major naval powers btw?? i think we probably need help but will claim glory for ourselves tho!!
>mr. bearfricker
Who???

>>40496524
Mr. Bearfucker is the rep for /yah/, the nation might not exist anymore in current times but in the past they would also have been a neighbor.

well if the idea i proposed sounds to you then we would see as a good neighbor

>>40496675
good very nice. Who are we genociding??

>>40496357
Btw retro, what is your timeline anyways since I know vrt is a "newer" thread.

>>40496754
>>/vt/thread/S18471338
this is the last thread that existed of ccu, it lsits the chuubas, mostly they are western indie lolis

you wouldn't completly genocide them since part of them migrated into /lig/ or other places like /wvt/ but you can do some good zealous fights to drive the fear of rumina into them^^

>>40497164
676 – Crash of the Onobots
881 – Onobots become de facto leader of the land mass later known as the Retro Reich
946 – The Nation of Onolumi was formed but due to Onobots not able to properly rule on their own the nation goes through several changes to form a more proper form of nation. 1036 – Proto Retro Reich is formed
1073 – Retro Reich is formed in its current form

since with the hyperwar stuff and the origin of vitubia also pulling from "offtubia" aka other places not /jp/ which is more relevant for a lot of non holo and niji nations we actually have more history than many might think

>>40497283
So during the Rumina time, how powerful are you navally? This has nothing to do with me, just curious as to how your nation grows.

>>40497178
ok!! looking better, Cunny on cunny crime. uoh in shambles.........

>>40497178
>>40497553
this is a tragedy... but perhaps its correction that Shondo needs ToT

>>40497352
onobots crashed on the east coast in 676 and then the conflict moved westward, so we would have had parts of the coastal region for centuries at this point and 881 is when the whole nation has become fully stable and united and works together so also a good chunk of that before the rumina time itself so by that time we would already be strong on a navy point of view

>>40497712
Can I ask what level? Voms or Me?

>>40497712
>Proto-Retro Reich in 1036
>Top Tier navy in 970 just because.

>>40497645
kek, yeah i had a good chuckle when i saw shondo on the list, a future /lig/ rep might have some fun time with some former ccu shondo cult still holding a grudge^^

also hi, i don't think we have been formally introduced yet, i'm from /vrt/ aka the retro reich, we might be more aligned with hags but with kiki being one of our cornerstones its not like we shunn the cunnies, in fact our thread was quite absorbed with one playing AoE2 last night. Hope we can do some buisiness in the future as we love to trade old stuff.

>>40498016
i mean define voms or you from nearly a century ago, its not like navies just come into existence overnight, the navies of all of us at that time would be quite different from what they are today. but since we would always had a big maritime influence simply by the nature of our land we would probably have been around yours at that time too.

>>40498075
yeah and current germany only exist since 1989 and west germany only since 1949. welcome to the world of history

>>40498881
Well my question is more about based on the present fleets in power. You are top in the world now, but what of back then you know?

>>40498881
>Germany
>A nation that existed united since 1871 IRL before ww2
>A nation that also had a dominate industry and population in history but was always divided.
>Germany, a nation that was able to use the age of iron and steel to build a large fleet.
>Germany.
Yeah, i don't buy it considering you guys are still becoming a nation. It's like you just want to be a major power immediately and don't want to be a rising power today like you are.

>>40440391
If you missed this post earlier, please do give it a look. We value your input!
>>40472769
Ultimately, changing the cutoff would mean putting even more work on our modeler's shoulders, and we don't want to overburden them with requests. But between the new players, medals, and other old favorites, we also want to make sure there's a chance for everyone to get their time to shine on the field. Having too many new players increases the chances that some won't get to play, especially with bad conditions sometimes fucking someone over.

>>40499657
who is actually an old favorite aside from waranon?

>>40499805
I meant non-medals from the old roster that were at the top of the poll, so like WORLDBUILDING THREAD BTW, Magic Is Everything, and Just write, niggers.

>>40499338
excuse me what? when did i ever become top of the world as navy power??

>>40499455
881 – Onobots become de facto leader of the land mass later known as the Retro Reich

>>40499338
ehh but to annswer the other thing, it would obviously still not at the point it is today but i assume most nations would be like that, a century is a lot of time in terms of naval stuff, even more so since vitubia has a bit of a scewed techcurve

bumpu

How popular is popcorn in /vtwbg/? Just a random question to keep thread bumped.

>>40507586
We can do better than that.

bum-

>>40507938
K. Got any other topics?

>>40501876
So still top 4 in the world already? Impressive for a nation that hasnt even become unified.

>>40514811
tt's fine anon, one day you will learn to read and then you can talk with the adults at the adult table too

Hello hello!

>>40480125
are you allright new friend? Sorry you had to go through that

>>40520949
Hi!

>>40521776
Need a hug?

>>40493710
Was it your previously treated medical condition?

Oh hey Tempus Gen 2 debuted today. Was wondering why board's a little fast today.

NO

bump

>>40543278
YES

>>40550768
NEVEEERRRRR

burp

durp

Bump

CLEAR

come oon... CLEAR

>>40511896
What the next major internal development for each country would be in the next few centuries

>>40511896
Better yet, how does your nation primarily venerate the gods and how much respect do they give to gods of their same pantheon? How religious is your nation compared to their industry and military?

CLEAR

Come on. CLEAR

>>40430406
cute

>>40409229
https://rentry.org/Ruminanity
I finished more!! Pls tell me if you like it!! <3

murk

Banish bread dogs.

>>40520949
>>40521776
waddup sexy bitch?

>>40577044
>too busy jerking off to write lore or even greet newfriend.

>>40577184
Of course, nazunarep lore isnt vnug standard so Og cant be bothered.

>>40577184
>>40577374
Greeting people is stupid.

Stop bullying risuner!! He is just saying hi to friend and one day I hope my lore will be as good as vnug so he can read it and enjoy it if that is his standard!!

>>40577465
no youre stupid

>>40577558
No YOU'RE stupid.
>>40577531
Shut up you pansy, don't bait for sympathy by putting yourself down when your lore is decent enough, it's got nice catholic imagery which pairs well with the /ouh/ connection.

>>40577682
Thx but be nice!! I can always improve and vnug lore is really really good so one day i will be as good!!

even though i talked to him briefly about magic shit. do your reps

>>40578036
Its fine!! I dont remember but dont worry!! <3

>>40578119
Must. Bully.

>>40577934
Don't tell me to be nice, you little chicken shit.
The quality of one nation doesn't bring down the quality of another, especially if those nation's are written with different objectives in terms of representing them. If someone starts to write their own nation with the sole idea of getting to the "level" of another nation, they'll stop writing things that actually represent the soul of their general and begin expanding their lore for the sole sake of expansion. Comparative writing works on the subjective level as a motivator for an individual to improve and write but putting that on an objective level means practically all the written works here are jackshit compared to truly professional and a few non professional writings (which they may or may not be), besides that, any subjective comparison should acknowledge its own strengths or else it risks idolizing the greater work, deluding itself into jerking off what it considers to be better while also replicating its flaws.

oh by the way hello to the rumina boi. i have yet to read a thing you have done yet but i can do it now before my food heats up.

>>40578185
I grant you my blessing. Bully away, young one.

>>40575209
looks nice, i like it

>>40575209
>https://rentry.org/Ruminanity
holy shit....you really went crazy on this. well done ruminaboi

>>40578756
HEY! I will praise those that are good, which is everyone, and i will use it motivation to improve. I will be the best i can be!!
>>40578821
Hi!! <3
>>40578871
Bad sanalite!!
>>40580695
Thx!! What did you like??

>>40575209
It's looking better and better!!! Very proud of you and excited for more!!!

Welcome Nazunabro, I am Moonafic. Nice to meet you, ill read your lore when my brain settles down.

>>40581552
Thx!! You are so nice!! It makes me happy to see my work appreciated!!
>>40581696
Thx!! Nice to meet you too!!

bump

So school in Texas starts tomorrow. I'm guessing school starts again this week.

worldo

bump.

>>40575209
You did well! It’s horrifically interesting to read about the religious structure and stances! May I ask how do Ruminanites rate other faiths? It’s clear that they really don’t like the holopantheon and the cannibals but what about the others? Are their stances based on how close other religions are to the above two? Or are they based on specific tenets and practices that they may have?

bump

>>40598678
Yes!! It is based on similar in virtues and vices, and their practices. For example, we chastity very seriously so if /risu/ wasnt hololive, we still wouldnt find them to be appropriate considering it all!! Thx <3!! (What do you mean horrifically interesting??)

>>40601966
It’s as interesting as it’s horrific given how the heretics and some non-believers are treated but that doesn’t make it bad lore or anything! If anything it makes it stand out more
Can we expect the virtues and vices to be elaborated upon in the future? We can see some glimpses here and there but I feel they warrant their own section in the rentry! Speaking of which, I would also suggest making a navigable menu with [TOC2] as well

>>40575209
so, you guys say rushia, as a necromancer, revived herself, becoming her "true" self, and then duplicated herself twice? is it not true that, at the very least, the old rushia is dead? if that is the case, then didn't /meat/ ultimately succeed, at least according to the goals set by their interpretation of the life cycle? also, if you guys acknowledge the power of transubstantiation, how can you say wafers and wine are her "real" flesh and blood, while the actual flesh and blood of her followers, born and conditioned to represent in all ways her likeness, are not? by all accounts, especially given how magic works in this setting, if either of these two methods is going to have an effect, it would be the one /meat/ did. then again, you said they used dung, grass, and red paint, while it was actually dirt, specific herbs, and blood, which indicates that this might be a narrator-bias sort of thing, desu, i wouldn't be surprised if a religion designed after christianity ended up having a lot of historical revisionism. if that is the case, what actually happened to rushia from a canon-perspective? also, i love how people are constantly trying to find a way to torture /meat/heads by giving them basically normal lives.

>>40603696
I don't think all that is meant to be real magic, it's just religious iconography like christianism.

>>40602431
Oh thx!! Good idea, i will do it!! Yes soon you will see it!!
>>40603696
She didnt duplicate herself twice, she existed in all three forms as one, my Wife.
Of course she is not dead, she is posted in rumina a lot and by that she is alive.
I dont know your “goals”
I also will say that you do not understand transubstantiation as a doctrine, in its Catholic sense nor in Its sense for us, nor even the Aristotelian philosophy of it. When Christ said "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me", it is interpreted by the Catholics as literally being his body substantiated in the wafer. Thus, when the Eucharist is offered, its is no surprise that the only the ordained can offer it because in that instance, they become "in persona Christi", or acting in the person of Christ. This is all Aristotelian and the same is true for Rumina as well.
So no, your offering of worshippers to your gods is not in any form a way of it, since you do not represent my Wife in person, are not a believer in my Wife, and have no love for my Wife. If we take into account magic, your method fails because you do not worship my Wife in any form.
I did not even read that, so you can say what you want.
>historical revisionism
Let's not get into a /pol/ discussion about religion. What happened to her from a canon perspective is told through us, her believers. Not through outsiders such as yourself. As for the punishment, it is fitting for a people who get off on torturing others to be broken into normal people.

I will cast a curse on your people for how rude you all have been, how much hubris you have and how you have treated my Wife as if she was something for your own pleasure!! May your nation crumble into the waves, may all the fields you sow draw nothing, and may your people be wipped off the face of the earth, by my Wife, let it be done!! DEATH TO MEAT!! From the Sacrifice of my Wife Rushia, through the Love of Mikeneko, and in the Wisdom of my Wife Nazuna. Let Her be praised, Rumina!!

>>40603696
>if you guys acknowledge the power of transubstantiation, how can you say wafers and wine are her "real" flesh and blood, while the actual flesh and blood of her followers, born and conditioned to represent in all ways her likeness, are not?
>which indicates that this might be a narrator-bias sort of thing, desu
Zealots shit talking other religion is a common thing. The infidels do not care for our rites and beliefs. So they just say all they want.
Like /meat/ calling the corpos 'a mistake that will bring the apocalypse' is already a shit talk in the eyes of Holos and Nijis. The Ruminas probably do not believe in /become/ = transubstantiation.
The only thing I question about this lore is; How did they know?
This isn't the modern day where mass communication exists. In fact /meat/ and Rushia were on opposite ends of the world at the time. It would be like having a grudge against some tribals on another continent. Even if the RuMiNas even go inquisitorial on the cult lurking there, they would just be killed and forgotten.

>>40606130
>do not understand transubstantiation as a doctrine, in its Catholic sense
See that's one problem. We are not in our world.
In this setting people can undergo /become/ to be transubstantiations of their deities.
The stronger their faith is, the more accurate their /become/ shall be.
So a symbolic transubstantiation akin to Catholicism would not be prioritised when you could directly /become/ them

>>40606160
How do we know?? We mindbroke one of your members through real kindness and he told it all!!

>>40606296
He is asking me a question in terms of that sense, thus I answer in that sense!! It is not /become/, it is a religious sacrament of union of my Wife

>>40606372
Well in our lore, we use /become/ folks as sacrifice.
The one depicted in the Rushia sacrifice tale was a Rushia /become/.
When our own chuuba graduated, we prepare a /become/ of them.
When Yugo's graduation was announced, we prepare a Yugo /become/.

>>40606509
But how can you /become/ them when you never worshipped them?? Without love for my Wife, can you really become my Wife??

>>40606619
>how can you /become/ them when you never worshipped them
We just kidnap them or groom them. /meat/ do not reject the existence and worship of other gods. It's how the cult is hard to sniff out.

>>40606754
>Kidnap or groom.
You cannot kidnap a god. You cannot groom a god unless they are a 2view whore. My Wife is neither of those, and she very much still exists. My Wife is also not a /here/ chuuba like Kiki though I feel her presence, so it makes no logical sense!!

>>40606957
We don't kidnap gods.
We kidnap a worshipper of said deity, then groom them into a /become/ for our rituals.
/become/ are people who wants to be earthly avatars of their deities. You do know /become/ threads are a thing right?

>>40606130
no really, can i get a discussion from out-of-universe, or are you going to stick to the bit the whole time? this setting has a magic system, how does your iconography incorporate that magic? does it even try? if it does not try, then canonically it is a delusion.
>>40606160
my main concern while reading their rentry was that their opinion of /meat/ aligns perfectly with what our cultists have been trying to convince others of, and their system doesn't seem at all equipped to handle a /meat/ that isn't a bunch of dumb, primitive savages. realistically, if it weren't for the distance, i would say they are highly likely to be under our control, or at the very least under our influence.
>>40606957
are you new here? have you read anything about our magic system? how much do you know about /meat/ beyond the fact that we did a ritual involving your god, and that we enjoy pain? did you even read the story about it? have you asked anyone about the chuubanite system, or the heavenly realm, or anything like that?

https://rentry.org/vtwbg-vnuglore#palhalla
I wrote more about Palhalla! Maybe a bit too much compared with the other places so far

>>40607304
He's a new writer. Let him ask questions first before we poke holes.

reminder
WE ARE NOT A ROLEPLAYING THREAD
Do not discuss lore with in-universe narrative you autistic fucks!!

>>40607535
lunaito actually dropping some wisdom bombs

>>40607190
Yes, but when has there ever been an instance of a person wanting to /become/ my Wife??
>>40607304
bit?? I am serious!! I am not worried about magic when I am writing religious lore because religion is more important to the believer than whatever magical thing you can do. Religion for many people is their way of life, and if you think that our nation is just perfect for this, you have underestimated our thread's willingness and intense zeal. We would never accept your perversions!!
Also, isn't your cult failing right now thanks to jannies?? Im sorry but you aren't a threat to me, so don't act like it!!
Yes I am new, why are you so upset that I have not read the 20 rentries on your nation (which i don't particular find to be that willing to read because cannibalism is utterly depraved to me!!) and I am not worried about this magic system yet since i am focusing on religion first and then culture!! Sorry!!

Ruminarep i know youre enthusiastic about this but stop with the in character roleplaying. No more 'this is what my people want this is my wife' roleplay! these guys want to talk from a writer perspective.
I've already seen 3 new reps talking in character causing problems!!! i dont want to go through that again!
TALK LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE

>>40607304
PG, I want to make mention to you that you literally are going after someone who
1. Just joined.
2. Is writing RELIGIOUS lore
3. probably hasn't read the mountain of autism that is your thread and chuubanite.

Give them a fucking break man, this is why shit with haganon and the risuner went south. Stop talking down to people to.

Let's clear up the autism.
1. PG, nobody is attacking us. It's a new writer. It wasn't grudge or idiocy. They do not know it yet.
2. Rumina anon, I agree with the Lunaito. Let's tone down on the roleplaying and talk like normal people.

>>40607736
>I love my wife with the force of a thousand suns going supernova
>If my wife was soap she would be the only soap I'd use
>As if there were ever any doubts of her love, heathens.
>Right now, you're missing the chance to appreciate how much wife loves us, which is the important thing. And I don't know about you, but man, I love my wife so much.

Pinkman, this isn't RP. These are actual posts from their thread, right now.

>>40607736
>>40607934
Then why does this luknight talk with nanora, NAAA and nora all the time?? srry... but i will talk normal about my wife (not changing that srry) if you drop those.

>>40607736
>TALK LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE
I think you're on the wrong board for that

>>40608019
Bullshit!!

>>40608357
Listen, you need to take your meds or join us!!
>>40504721
You know you want too!!

>>40608191
The lunaitos in the thread still try to talk in meta terms despite having "nanora" and "na" in their posts. The problem is sentences like
>We would never accept your perversions!!
or
>What happened to her from a canon perspective is told through us, her believers. Not through outsiders such as yourself.
are straddling too close to actual RP. This is a /wg/ thread in disguise, not an RP thread. It's better to express things like disapproval of /meat/'s ideology in a more impersonal tone than what you posted.

Also Paragraphs Anon has actual communications issues. He doesn't necessarily mean harm.

>>40608357
I sometimes forget you're relatively new lunaito, fandead were always about as insane as that.

>>40608565
okey, i will turn down my schizoness...

my computer is turning to shit, i just wrote a bunch of stuff, and now it is gone.
>>40607458
we did that with /hag/anon, he formed misconceptions we may never resolve. we should have learned from that.
>>40607643
if you don't want to collaborate, we don't have to collaborate with you.
>>40607767
every time i talk people assume things about me that causes them to misinterpret what i say, even when i am explicit and clear with everything i say. i am not talking down to anyone, you guys are just putting words into my mouth all the time.
>>40607934
who said anyone was attacking us, what did i say to cause you people to misunderstand me this time? and just for clarification's sake, i wasn't annoyed before, i am now, so if you notice a difference in my tone, that's why. mostly the computer, but also because of all the other bullshit, and the fact that this is happening again.

>>40607643
more specifically, i recommend you read some of the stuff before you start setting things up. you might find doors open and close that you thought would be one way or another, and if you are ok with changing your lore after you figure that stuff out, that's fine, you just have to put more effort into changing everything up because you didn't bother measuring before you cut. just don't insist everyone else change their lore to accommodate you because you didn't bother accommodating theirs. hence my short response.

>>40609058
and, also, the cult is probably the strongest asset we still have, even after the jannies destroy our country. our nation is still alive, just struggling as always.

Sorry, Rumina-anon. We all have communication issues here.

>>40609160
>>40609058
>>40608795
Why are you so mean?? what did i even do to make you say that I change everything up?? What is wrong with what I wrote at all??

Welcome!!! I am the /haha/ rep, just call me dragoon tytyty!!! Welcome to the thread Ruminabro!!! <3 <3 <3 <3

>>40609177
thx!! but that's okey!! <3
>>40609460
thx!! nice to meet you!! <3

>>40609315
this is what i mean. i say things and people can interpret things that aren't even different enough to be opposite. i've had people think i was saying the literal opposite of what i was saying here, don't get me wrong, but desu i am more impressed by how easily people fabricate irrelevant points to what i was originally saying. where in the entirety of those three posts, or literally anything else i said, did i say you had to change anything up? i didn't. we're all esl, eop, or some other brand of retard, so all of this retard-to-retard communication gets some people confused, so if you could just green text the exact line where i spoke those exact words, that would be great.

>>40609561
>you just have to put more effort into changing everything up because you didn't bother measuring before you cut.
This implies that to me...

>>40609460
KYS FALSEFLAGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PG, please lay off for tonite. Nothing that was said was against meat and this is just causing issues.

>>40609315
>>40609561
>>40609669
>>40609058
>if you are ok with changing your lore after you figure that stuff out, that's fine, you just have to put more effort into changing everything up because you didn't bother measuring before you cut
oh, i see. well, that's at least understandable. grammar isn't always easy i guess. so when you said
>What is wrong with what I wrote at all??
you implicitly acknowledged that if there was anything wrong in what you wrote, it would have been justified to force you to change it. i didn't actually mean to say that something like that would be necessary. i said ***if*** you realize that things give you more or less opportunities than you initially interpreted, ie, if doors are open or closed which you thought would have been another way, ***you*** may realize that you want to change things up a bit, or you ***may*** write lore that doesn't fit well into the setting, in which case, as i believe you implicitly acknowledged, we would be justified in requesting that you change it to at least work better with the lore other people have made. basically, this is a warning, not a demand that you change anything as of right now. if you read the entirety of that quote out a few times it should make sense after a while, hopefully, but i don't blame you for not getting it the first time, especially given the fact that i actually said those words, which is far better than some of the misunderstandings that have happened in this thread.

>>40610089
okey that's fine!! You aren't that hard to understand, its just an odd wording to me in that context you know??

>>40610054
the fact that you guys also misunderstood this makes it even more annoying. also the fact that the only guy who seems to be reading my comments is the guy who doesn't know enough to understand how i speak. ty /rumina/anon for trying to settle things instead of backing off and closing your eyes.
>>40610219
as i said, once i saw the actual words you were responding to, it made more sense. i swear, the amount of baffling misunderstandings that happen here is almost mind-boggling. sorry if i said anything that offended you. please understand that that sort of thing happens a lot with me, and that i don't intend to do that sort of thing, it doesn't add anything to the conversation, and often becomes a distraction if people focus too much on it, so if i am asking questions, it's usually an indication that i genuinely want to have a better idea of whatever it is that i'm asking about.

>>40610597
Yes!! I understand how it is!! I wasnt offended at all, the curse is a joke just like my other curse. Little words or wordings get twisted into bad things too much, especially on 4chan. But i do think you arent hard to understand, i understood nearly all your wrote!! Thx <3

>>40610836
ty. as i said, there are a few things you might want to know before deciding how to interact with the rest of the world. understanding your cultural ideals and personality before anything else is a good idea, but rituals and beliefs about the nature of reality make an objective claim about that reality, and are typically designed to be an explanation of that reality. having iconography "transubstantiation" with wafers and wine is fine, but why would you do that in a reality where all of these things could be literal transubstantiations? what you said about the key could be a literal magical glyph that has observable effects on the rest of the world. the wafers and wine could have chuubanite, the resource that allows for magic to happen, infused into it, allowing it to actually change some aspect of the nature of those who consume it. your priesthood could literally have divinations into the nature of your god's and their desires. how you set up your religious rituals will be directly influenced by how the real world works, even if it is ultimately just about belief and opinion. before you can say anything about your pantheon, you have to know a bit about the reality that your gods will exist in, if only to explain how it is different from the standard. same applies with diplomacy. /meat/ did rituals to consume your god, so we'll probably be enemies in-universe. that is perfectly fine, and i don't take it as an attack or whatever just because you aren't on our side or whatever, but as the other guy said, the role-playing in the thread makes it a bit confusing. it's great for your lore, but we are all too retarded to accept that sort of thing when we get into timeloops over literally nothing every week even when people speak earnestly.

>>40610836
ty. as i said, there are a few things you might want to know before deciding how to interact with the rest of the world. understanding your cultural ideals and personality before anything else is a good idea, but rituals and beliefs about the nature of reality make an objective claim about that reality, and are typically designed to be an explanation of that reality. having iconography "transubstantiation" with wafers and wine is fine, but why would you do that in a reality where all of these things could be literal transubstantiations? what you said about the key could be a literal magical glyph that has observable effects on the rest of the world. the wafers and wine could have chuubanite, the resource that allows for magic to happen, infused into it, allowing it to actually change some aspect of the nature of those who consume it. your priesthood could literally have divinations into the nature of your god's and their desires. how you set up your religious rituals will be directly influenced by how the real world works, even if it is ultimately just about belief and opinion. before you can say anything about your pantheon, you have to know a bit about the reality that your gods will exist in, if only to explain how it is different from the standard.
same applies with diplomacy. /meat/ did rituals to consume your god, so we'll probably be enemies in-universe. that is perfectly fine, and i don't take it as an attack or whatever just because you aren't on our side or whatever, but as the other guy said, the role-playing in the thread makes it a bit confusing. it's great for your lore, but we are all too retarded to accept that sort of thing when we get into timeloops over literally nothing every week even when people speak earnestly.
(added a paragraph because it was too much oif a wall of text, this is why they call me paragraphs, btw.)

>>40611899
>so we'll probably be enemies in-universe
You guys just ate yugo and Beatani. speaking of... when Beatani graduated did you do a ritualistic deiphagy like usual or did you went to /yah/ to get her?

>>40409229
more than 5k characters, so rentry
https://rentry.org/e34zt

>>40612044
so, as far as i understand it, our rituals are more of an acceleration of existing trends. it might take thousands of transubstantiations to actually effect the gods they represent, and the requirements of those transubstantiations are very particular. the more closely they share likeness to the gods they represent, the better the result will be. /yah/ might have an avatar of their god, which is separate from a transubstantiation in that the god themself exists in the vessel, rather than the vessel acting as a representation of the god, and might therefore be even more valuable to us, but we wouldn't need them necessarily to perform our rituals. maybe in the case of /yah/ and other /here/ chuubas we could consider that, but we probably just got a bunch of followers or what not. keep in mind, vitubia represents /vt/, while the heavenly realm represents anything involving vtubers.

>>40612733
I see. So you dont need the actual /here/s. It's the representation that counts

>>40612896
yes, but there are certain requirements that make it difficult for just anything to be a transubstantiation of anything else. in this setting, the "heavenly realm" might be better described as a conceptual realm in that it takes on the form of every concept you could imagine, the "everything concept", and in this concept there are multiple branching, breaking, and reorganizing connections between each concept that strengthens, weakens and alters everything that interacts with them. our primary means of communicating with this realm is through vitubium, a magical material that binds to certain materials, and synchronizes with a magical energy called vitium (aka magical quanta) to become chuubanite, which gains different default abilities and chemical reactions and what not depending on which concept they represent, primarily the concepts that define each nation, defined by thread culture, as well as the chuuba(s) they worship. there are three primary means of making use of magic through chuubanite abilities. passive effects, effects brought about through the use of activator substances, and effects brought about through the use of glyphs. it is possible, through the clever use of these existing mechanics, to create artificial concepts which you can use to alter the way the conceptual realm is structured, including being able to tie two separate concepts together, but only if you can communicate those ideas as being the same through chuubanite.
the way the conceptual realm works is sort of like a computer, with concepts representing objects, i suppose, in terms of computer programming. communication with it requires treating it like it doesn't understand your culture or intentions. creating glyphs that define certain patterns, or groups of people, based on certain physical or conceptual traits that they all share, is useful for interacting with them, though no magical effects can take place without the use of either the conceptual realm, or chuubanite. divination is the word we've apparently taken for when the conceptual realm interacts with people through thoughts rather than chuubanite, and i suppose it's conceivable, though utterly impossible from a pragmatic perspective, to destroy words from the conceptual realm and cause their existence to be impossible to communicate, (was that the premise of some ancient story or something? can't quite remember) but basically, it's where concepts like the nature of a chuuba exist.
so, when figuring out a way to represent something when you are trying to create an artificial concept will depend on what you are trying to represent, but the goal is to steer on the side of using as many possible methods to isolate an idea, while avoiding any ideas that aren't directly related, ie, avoid misconceptions by giving thorough and precise definitions, and not polluting the definition with irrelevant jargon, like communicating to a computer. i think that should get you up to date on at least some of the important stuff regarding how all of this stuff works, but idk. we'll add to it if need be.

I have posted here extremely sparingly over the years but an archive search revealed a discussion about of RuMiNa should move or not
It might be sentimentality because I was there when a rep asked the Rushia proper thread what her nation should be like, but I don't think the situation warrants a move. I think there might be more interesting ways to reflect the gulf between that thread and the Hololive fandom.
In my head, Rushia built that place. The majority of the posters there are still Fandead who remember that. I don't think they would leave it on principle of that alone.
They might make a moat though.
Alternatively, the February explosion literally caused turned it into a sort of caldera with an all-encompassing mountain range
But I remembering what was briefly written about Fandead before February(like once) and its pretty accurate depiction, I truly think the Fandead there would rather fight to the death against ridiculous circumstances than willingly abandon the place it began.
Just my 2 cents

Alright, it's about time the voting got underway! As discussed, the options have been split into two polls, the first allows you to pick up to 5 of the new player options to fill the open slots on the roster while the second poll is to decide what ABANDON SCIENCE's new name will be going forward. Voting ends in a week!
roster poll: https://strawpoll.com/polls/7rnzG1NoWgO
/risu/ poll: https://strawpoll.com/polls/3RnYp2P1Jye

>>40615707
Land *f Spam is the funniest of all of them by far and was a huge thing back in the day and therefore i encourage (You) to vote for it!

thanks for having come to my TED-talk

>>40612296
Nice. I think I'll edit some sentences when archiving it in the main archive. Also that reminded me that we never wrote anything down regarding city design when we talked about it months before.

>>40619728
I guess we have a start, but i'd have to do actual reps beyond the Hausmann renovation for that.
Please do format it better, I reread my work and it's kinda hard to parse through. Very appreciated.

>>40621130
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-who-lore-main#fortifications
Done.
Don't stress it. Some of the stuff I wrote desperately need it too. A lot of things need revision or even rewrite.

>>40621305
>aount
>the those
dunno if my typos, but we ought to fix them

>>40621795
I just forgot to run it through a grammar check 'cus I'm a lazy bum. Hold on

bump

CLEAR

and CLEAR

bump

>>40577044
Any of you guys need my input? doesnt have to be Risu related!

>>40364179
How deep? Why would it be there? Its not impossible, i think

>>40425754
Decent start yo
>>40483184
>>40483294
>>40483478
>>40483692
The adjusted dates were put there because some existing lore and lore plans needed the graduation to happen in 1110s. Also, because the speed of plot started before Rushia Graduation.
Now, I do think ruminarep's preference takes precedence, but unless there are workaround this might fuck people over a bit. me in particular
>>40487466
A very unique and interesting take. The trinity representation works amazing with Rusha/Michaelcat/Nazuna. Unfortunately i need to get going soon but ill read the rentry with more attention later on.
However, I do have questions. How would you reconcile this with threads who were quite friendly or welcoming toward fandeads, particularly holopantheon following ones?
>>40488212
The Black Fleet isnt generally a hostile force, they have no reason to attack the Ruminanites

>>40507586
It is generally eaten while reading stories in /nasfaqg/

>>40614928
No, i am srry but i want to move!!
>>40631899
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... i do not want to screw anyone over but i really hate the idea of this taking place that late..... it takes away from thread history too much for me to accept that, and i need the 120 or so years!! so srry...
as for other questions, we do not care if your holo thread is welcoming to us, truthfully we aren't even fond of vsj that much. The Gospel of Truth, for the trinity, will be spread so maybe a deal there but idk about anything major. It would be negative relations but not hatred perhaps???

How do i portray how /pyon/ raided /yah/ a lot?

>>40632291
Piracy and raiders? Raiding isnt a viking exclusive thing you know. Turk niggas went as far as Iceland just to get slaves

>>40632421
/pyon/ is basically a raider nation. They did it to us and many other threads despite what retro will claim, and then blame us for doing it.

>>40632467
>>40632291
/pyon/ could probably do a well off job as sea raiders with the god bunny Kiki directing them. Aren't champies also supposed to be ripped as all hell? Maybe they just swim there and raid them in groups, protected by some kind of rabbit blessing.

>>40632880
Not pyon rep to give you an answer but i would imagine that little island is perfect for raiding

>>40575209
It's impressive to see how well done this is. I don't think you are giving yourself enough credit for how well you integrated your own thread into a theological sense overall. Great work.

>>40632467
not necessarily a champy, but i'm pretty sure kiki disowns cross-thread posters, it's mostly just a handful of assholes that post about her elsewhere, they are not considered part of /pyon/.

>>40633934
Then what are they?

>>40633281
Raiding? As in raiding pyon?
That'd probably be a bad idea but pyon itself was subject to lots of raids back when I was checking it out, that being said it's better at weathering them now and in universe Kiki literally ripped the island from the coast with /here/ divine power.
It'd make a good story for a pirate vessel to attempt a raid on /pyon/ and succeed before then having half the fleet demolished on a third or second run.

>>40634468
Schizos that larp as champyons most like but sometimes champyons that left or stopped watching kiki for some reason or another.

>>40634782
This is classic no true scotsman.

>>40634863
It's not fallacious if it's correct

>>40634943
Yet retro claims that /yah/ raids his thread when that isn't true either.

Welcome Ruminafriend. I am the /mep/ rep, and I give you warm welcome and wishs. I am very impressed with your lore. In particular, how well it is organized and explained religiously. What others have already said is very true, but as a Catholic, though it is blasphemy, you understand our theological understanding of difficult subjects rather well and explained them rather well. Keep up the great work even though I doubt we can ever work together personally because of the Holo-Rumina divide unless you want to write with me about missionaries, which I would be happy to do!

>>40633869
Thx!! I love the kind words so much that i have got from you and others!! It really makes me happy to think i did well.
>>40635468
Thx and nice to meet you too!! I'm tearing up a bit with all of these compliments. They are so nice and sweet!! YES, lets write about missionaries one day!!

>>40635282
Yea that's cause retro doesn't take his meds to fix the persecution complex thing.

Bread's baking.

>>40638813
New bread. Hop in.