/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Yes

There isn't a single EN vtuber group that has more collective talent than Myth

>>40471758
No, how about chumbuds just tell us what Gura's talent was instead since the other girls have obvious talents. Talking about feet and using childish language maybe?

>>40471919
Not a cumshart but her voice is a talent

everyone in myth absolutely has the talent but I think ame, ina, and kiara would've had a hard time getting eyes on them because its not as immediately obvious.

gura would make it huge regardless because she's a literal meme queen and her model hits the most demographics of basically any chuuba design
mori's debut music would've put serious eyes on her too even if she debuted today, there's still nothing like it in EN vtubing.

>>40471758
Gura wants to be an idol like hatsune miku but doesn't want the pressure and hard work that comes with trying to get ther
Kiara she is literally every one who has worked hard at a job harder than anyone else and still get passed for promotion. No matter how much love sweat and tears she puts into her passion it will never be enough.
Ina cunt enough said
Ame & Mori both suffers from the same after effect of placing energy on the wrong things despite being workhorses like kiara.

Did they got lucky? Yes.

>>40471960
>her voice is a talent
I pray you don't mean her mid singing ability and just mean she makes you cum because she sounds like the child you wanted to kidnap.

Not a big holofag, but they're very talented. You guys just memed them so hard you ruined them for yourself.

>>40472020
They have talent but not nearly enough to reach the popularity they had at their peak in any other circumstances. Honestly the more i watch other vtubers the less special Myth seem. In retrospect they come off as pretty middle of the road. Except for Gura of course who seems to have some sort of magic touch.

>>40472045
her mid is better than anything you or I will ever spew into a karaoke mic

>>40471758
>Gura
No, she was able to get a 1m sub YT channel before debut, most of it is having a cute voice but she could've made it without Hololive
>Mori
Kind of, V-tubers exploding in popularity did wonders for her music. Her actual skills as an artist do not warrant the level of success she currently enjoys but she had a decent following beforehand.
>Ina
Yes, she's talented at drawing but that's not particularly useful when it comes to being a Vtuber.
>Ame
Absolutely yes, she was a 2view before Hololive and would be nowhere without it. The fact that Ame lost the most relative viewership as the EN scene became increasingly saturated proves how unremarkable she is as a streamer
>Kiara
Kind of, she started off weak but she has proven she is an immensely gifted streamer and the one most committed to her job. Amazing work ethic, she needed her big break but she's the only one who didn't waste the opportunity she was given.

>>40471894
Kek

>>40471919
>since the other girls have obvious talents
Ame has talent?

>>40472269
I'm sorry but gura's vocal talents are practically shit when you have most of those cock sucking nijinigger girls outsinging most of holoen. that new esl bitch alone can sing circles around the entirety of myth including that fat-ass grim reaper of yours. even that cockblocking racist slut from ethyria has more vocal talent when doing a single note.

The right chuuba in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world

>>40472598
Enna with her 2 packs of cigarettes a day voice can outsing most of the holoEN whore 2. The only reason she was passed on the irys role is because she's chinese.

>>40471758
>First corporate EN group in a semi-new and rapidly growing medium
>Covid lockdowns at it's height forcing everyone to stay home and be online
>200% backing from Youtube's algorithm
Yes. They would not have nearly been as big had they debuted one year earlier or later.

>>40472724
And because she has a terrible personality.

>>40471758
>OP keep posting the version where he covered up Mel with his OC Shark Girl?

>>40472846
Thread is about holoEN

>>40471758
I thought this was common knowledge even before the latest shitstorm

>>40471758
But they have talent. They just don't fucking use it!

>>40472790
Yes but it is an oddly entertaining and endearing shitty personality. Also Enna literally simped for Mori in her debut stream like outright name dropped Mori in a Nijisanji Debut stream.

>>40471919
Not a chumpedos, but Gura was always very entertaining, even before hololive. Out of the 5,she was always the one certain to have success.

>>40472724
Lmao Ching Chong to you too faggot bug

>>40472901
Yes.
Kiara, Ina, Mori, Ame, and Mel. I know it was a controversial decision to promote Mel a Holo who can't even speak English into the 1st All English Hololive group but in hindsight it was the correct move.

>>40473047
>before hololive
honestly, she was much more entertaining in her PL tho I understand that some restrictions are made cause she's suppose to be a cutesy shark idol

>>40472724
SOOO true sister this is what i've been telling these chuds all along!

The reason Gura had to take a "break" is because she fell back into alcoholism which no one realized was an issue until after the big group collab. Gura was slurring like a drunken Sailor almost all 2022.

>>40473215
I bet Mori is to blame for this.

I do think they all have talent for at least one type of content, but only one of them is actually good at streaming and commentating games. They wouldn't have made it without lockdowns and being in the same company as the funny dog and reddit dragon that appeared in youtube recommendations.

>>40471894
Ironmouse mogs them all in singing, art skills, voice acting, skits, wholesomeness, humour etc

>>40473374
And having children!

>>40471919
>Ame

>>40473374
> Kiara still has her dancing
Your move mousy

I love Myth, it's my oshi's gen, but this was obviously a big part of it. It wasn't even close to the whole story though.

>>40472045
she has the voice of a true coloratura soprano: very soft, youthful, sweet, sitting high, flexible and of course it's very rare.
the "sounds like the child" or "hurr durr she fakes it" bullshit is just you having a bias nigga.

>>40473276
Mori didn't know!

>>40473096
I'm not a chink. Sorry the ccp scares you.

>>40473215
This is a pretty serious claim.

>>40472025
I swear every time miku gets her good name associated with Gura, I wanna snap a baby whale neck. Gura is the most superficial fan of Miku I've ever seen. There are tons of vtubers who are showing their love of Miku way more than this lazy Gura. They go out of their way to do crazy covers or shilling about vocaloid, not her.

>>40473866
>very soft, youthful, sweet, sitting high, flexible and of course it's very rare.
This anon actually believes what he's typing, and it's adorable

>>40473215
Nothing wrong a little drinky-winky. I say let her free.

>>40474130
I hope you were saying that when everyone insisted that my oshi (Mori) was an alcoholic last year.

>>40474175
No I was not, and that's COMPLETELY different. Mori is a sloppy, braying drunkard who desperately needs help.

>>40471758
Where have you been? This has been common knowledge almost since day 1. 'Right Place and Right Time' has always been the single #1 contributor to their explosive success, something no one else has been able to reproduce.

Also, why does it matter? The majority of major success stories in any industry across the globe, are all about 'right place, right time'. That's just par for the course. There are very few instances of pure hard work carrying someone from nothing, to something.

>>40474220
nta but at least Mori is still quite productive in spite of her drinking problem, Gura is just straight up lazy and booze isn’t helping

>>40474060
>Gura is a superficial Miku fan
>Delta is such a high functioning Vocaloid fan she intentionally trained her voice to sound like a vocaloid
Here me out. How do we get Gura to piss Delta off so bad that Delta is forced to menhera correct her so hard that Gura begins fleshtubing in a maid dress like MikeNeko?

Come on you cunny coward mesugaki shark enter the Cunny Gage with the CEO!

>>40471894
spbp

>>40471758
Their initial dominance of the EN market in 2020 came from:
- Hololive (JP) was already the most popular big japanese agency in the west for EOPs thanks to a number of viral clips (Foobs scatman, Matsuri bandaids, Migo GTA, etc.) and a steady supply of english subs for their talents (shoutout to the chink idiots at Hololive Moments, by making Hololive popular in the west you made it easier for Cover to drop China during the Cocopocalypse, lol). The western audience was primed, hungry and ready for them
- first mover advantage: When HoloEN Myth debuted, they were the first serious attempt at an EN gen by one of the big japanese agencies (of which Hololive was already the most popular one in the west, see above). Remember Nijisanji's embarrassing first attempt at an EN branch, that was just three pajeets lol? Yeah, no wonder HoloEN won, and was for a while the "only game in town", and audiences had no one else to watch. If you were an EOP and wanted english vtubers, of course you'd watch HoloEN, what else? Hololive (JP) was probably already your favorite babbys first agency because you got into them via the clips, and now you had your own HoloEN vtubers you can actually understand whole streams of, and they can even interact with your favorite HoloJP vtubers, omg!
- lockdown buff. This is something out of Cover's hands and just pure "right place / right time" lightning in a bottle moment. A large part of the initial viewerbase was never actually committed fans in the first place, but basically just lockdown tourists. Vtubers were at the time the fresh new thing to entertain them while they were bored stuck at home. Now both the lockdowns are gone and vtubers aren't fresh and new anymore, so these people have moved on. The lockdown buff, coupled with the inital novelty of it all, made Myth's initial numbers quite overstated and they have now since settled into their lower more realistic long term viability.

>>40474175
He's roleplaying as Mori in that post.

>>40471758
>was not because of talent but because they were in the right place at the right time?

That's how pretty much all celebs make it. Youtube in particular is a fucking lottery.

>>40473866
as a child voice connoisseur, she loses power when she tries to hit higher notes/chorus, so no lol. I would take a child-sounding vocal synth over her any time of the day.

Also, doesn't Mumei have the same voice as her? So I wouldn't call her rare. (And Finana's voice is in a similar range but more whispery)

I would put them at the 8-14 years old territory but that's still low for coloratura, I would consider a coloratura someone like Ikue Ōtani or anyone that can do a convincing Pikachu voice without feeling the strain (the closets I can think of atm is Marine lol) to be considered to be able to do a 'under 8 years old' child voice. (Marine should have no problem doing a childish voice but she made her choice of going for the sexy image)

I would put Gura's talent at 'memeability' and being able to improv over her voice.

>>40471758
They WERE talented. Not super talented, but they had some streaming talent. The world was just starved for HololiveEN. That's why their sub count skyrocketed. It was a good time. It's all gone now. Hololive is the only company that can push out kino content involving EN chuubas (female), so don't even tell me to watch chuubas from other companies/indies. Now it feels like everyone in HoloMyth gave up. HoloCouncil is on life support. HoloEN management gave up.

HoloMyth was best shot that EN VTubing had. That shot was fired and it missed its mark.

>>40474772
I still expect someone to be on Ogura yui, Misaki "cunny" Kuno or Rina hidaka level. People are so fazed by the vtuber phenomenon they forget what top tier acting sounds like.

>>40475030
Vtubing was never a purely female thing you secondary faggot. Hololive strong armed the western scene into purely pandering to unicorns but thank fuck that shit is finally getting push back. You fags can have your girls, but fuck off and stop trying to dictate what vtubing is when there's companies that have been around longer than you've been a fan pushing non schizo enabling chuubas. Dirty little secret, before HoloEN, the stars were regularly discussed in the holo threads with little to no resistance.

>Gura came into the chat furious one night it was clear she had been drinking heavily
>management had denied her most recent request after Gura already dropped money on it
>Everyone online at the time tried to calm her down
>in her rage she lashed out most of them rolled with it but Ina who was already close to burnout broke down crying
>Gura then laid into her so hard that Ina had a mental breakdown
>after this even Ina began her hiatus but the damage was done everyone was sick of Gura's shit
>finally realizing all her coworkers despised her Gura went into hiatus to try and cure her alcoholism

>This is why Ina was invited to Japan and given the time of her life
>While Gura was left in America
>Kronii ate a bad Subway Sandwich she actually planned to make the trip but eating 2 week old Meatball Marinara Subs be a cruel mistress

>>40471758
All of them still have something unique no one else in the industry has, except maybe ame
>gura
Generational streaming talent
>ina
World class anime artist (sana didnt work out)
>kiara
True polyglot, ex 3d japan idol
>mori
Prolific meme music creator

>>40471758
Honestly I think its a bit both. I really don't think the Council girls had anwyhere near the same level as break out talent, plus their lore was far more complex, which probably put a lot of people off. Cute shark girl is immediately explainable in a way that Guardian of Civilization simply isn't.

>>40472045
based kek

Gura's not even talented. She has a good voice but doesn't output music, or ASMR, or voice acting, or anything else. Her most notable contributions are saying a letter and talking about feet.

>>40475361
>True polyglot, ex 3d japan idol
That's definitely not unique. There's at the very least one other girl that fits this description and she was even Kiara's rival in the past.
Also being an artist has nothing to do with being a good entertainer.

>>40475522
Gura has the most important talent that a streamer needs. Charisma.

>>40475530
>a literally who tho?
You win by default if nobody else turns up

You finally noticed?

>>40471758
Well, they do have some talent. So it's a mixture of both. Being "in the right place at the right time" simply means opportunity taken.

>>40475530
Say the name or fuck off.

>>40476624
Morino Peari. Kiara used to anti her during their idol days.

>>40473374
No. I'd say "Just in lying" but Mori mogs her in that.

>>40473841
kek

>>40471758
Yes, everyone with a brain knows that anon

>>40475584
Charistmas is not for another 11 months

>>40475361
>no one else in the industry
bitch you haven't even watched 0.1% of the girls in the "industry"

>>40474372
>Gura is just straight up lazy and booze isn’t helping
this but booze isn't hurting either.
It's a red herring. Booze doesn't completely change your personality, despite what Mel Gibson claims.

>>40477908
It doesn't change your personality but it does accentuate parts of it. Like laziness.

>>40474060
Gura is a fake. She loves Miku! She loves city pop! Sure Gura, what other trends are you going to ride.

>>40480854
Anon. Nobody over 18 is into miku.

>>40471758
There wasn't any other answer to this anyway.

>>40481097
Kys.

>>40476933
Moreno peari+ Kiara's Pl doesn't yield anything. You are full of shit.

>>40476933
Morino peari+ Kiara's Pl doesn't yield anything. You are full of shit.

>>40481293
Peari was her indie vtuber identity, not her idol identity. Check this post >>14154447 maybe you'll be able to dig up something from there.

>>40473374
>singing
okay
>art skills
This is the first I ever heard this. Got anything to back that up?
>voice acting
No
>skits
Again, got anything to back that up?
>wholesomeness
subjective
>humour
subjective

>>40473374
>wholesomeness
Didn't she talk about getting cum in her eye?

>>40482028
that's worthless and doesn't prove anything, just insinuates about Kiara "disparaging Peari and other gaijin idols" on her old blog, while giving no links, no archives, not even screenshots, so no one can actually see for themselves what was said, if it was "disparaging", if Peari (or rather her actual rm) was mentioned, or if that even actually existed at all and isn't just another item in the long list of fake rrats made up about Kiara by her old schizo antis. And given how freely they used to post everything they considered "damaging" about her, from old tweets to unflattering photos, but there was never any material evidence for those old "disparaging" blogposts or actual proof of bad blood (or even just acquaintance) between Kiara and Peari, other than third-hand hearsay from schizos, makes it much more probable that it simply doesn't exist and is just another "trust me bro, no I can't post proof, I don't wanna get banned teehee, but trust me it totally happened" anti rrat, otherwise they would've included some actual evidence in the material of doxx they spam about her.

>>40474092
Shut the fuck up, that shit removed my sides HAHAHAHa

Do it again anon

>>40471758
all of them had something to offer except Gura, who's only popular for her design

>>40471919
Being an entertainer? I would say she does that preety well and also being a decent singer and cute

>>40473276
I blame gura for her own decisions. She bit more than she could chew, no excuses.

>>40477908
You too would be drunk or coke out of your fucking mind if your fanbase mainly consisted of pedophiles.

>>40471758
Gura was already popular before with a 1 million subs channel and created the boomer meme. She was literally bigger than Hololive before she joined. No one in Hololive had a million subs before she joined. Pekora's and Marines streamed to less than 1,000 viewers on average before she joined.

>>40471758
Gura was already popular before with a 1 million subs channel and created the boomer meme. She was literally bigger than Hololive before she joined. No one in Hololive had a million subs before she joined. Pekora and Marine streamed to less than 1,000 viewers on average before she joined.

>>40484538
You know who also had a million subs? Mumei she was destined to be the actual gura killer.

>>40471758
Yes, they had the novelity buff. Mori, Ame and Ina all seem to prefer solo more and Gura wishes she was with council.

>>40484604
>Gura was already popular before with a 1 million subs channel
>with a 1 million subs channel
false

>>40484604
Gura's previous channel was popular, but "just" in the high-six-figure subcount (and really, most of that were pretty much just deadsubs who subscribed for the occasional viral meme videos she made - her actual ccv when she tried streaming randomly was a meager 3view in comparison), and not yet above one million. That really only happened after her Hololive debut when the fresh influx of leforbiddenknowledge fags pushed her old channel over the line

>>40484840
Even if someone else had debuted as gawr gura. And Senzawa had debuted in council nothing would change. Because she wants to stream when she feels like it just like sen did. Senzawa used to stream what like once every two months?

>>40471919
Have you ever heard Gura sing?
Can you name a better singer in HoloEN?
Can you name 5 better singers in the whole of Hololive, or in the entire EN vtuber scene?

>>40486567
IRyS, IRyS, IRyS, IRyS and IRyS

>>40486567
risu
moona
suisei
azki
irys
EZ

>>40471758
You can just make a Niji general thread instead if doing this you know?

>>40481097
Anon, nobody under 18 knows who miku IS. The vocaloid boom was over 12 years ago

>>40486567
Lmao even Kobo can sing better than Gura.
She doesn’t even practice either, her streaming voice and singing voice has gotten worse recently.

I wonder if she’s back on the alcohol kek.

>>40487400
oh yeah I forgot kobo in my short list, her singing voice is incredible

>>40473374

>>40486567
Anon? Do you really think she's top 5?

>>40487171
>Moona
IDfags are insufferable.

>>40475356
Gura is nowhere near America she's in Sweden.

>>40487400
>I wonder if she’s back on the alcohol
She is and you should curse you favorite wigger for breaking her two year sober spell that gave us Gura as we knew her. it happened live on stream, even.

>>40477908
>randomly hating on Mel Gibson out of nowhere
Hi idolcorp.

>>40486567
irys
azki
suisei
risu
moona
kobo
mumei
bae
towa
kanata
sora
watame

>>40488166
Think? I know she's the best at what she does, but she's more a folk singer, not a diva/pop star. Her vibrato is the most beautiful I've ever heard. There's a sensitivity there that you only gain by having a preoccupation with certain sensibilities.

>>40481097
Anyone under the age of 18 mostly like has no idea what the fuck a Vocaloid is, except maybe if they're Japanese and their mom or dad introduced them to it or their favorite YouTuber made mention of either Vocaloid in general or Hatsune Miku specifically.

>>40489025
lol
lmao even

>>40489663
I know, it's funny that this thread is supposed to be about Myth but you guys can't stop talking about Gura.

>>40490020
not sure what you mean, i just laughed at obvious larper

>>40489025
>Her vibrato is the most beautiful I've ever heard
holy fuck you're delusional, do you even consume other media aside from vtubers?

>>40489025
this smells like bait but I agree with >>40490471
like seriously, go check out some Amy Winehouse or something and expand your mind a bit

>>40471758
>So are we ready to accept that the reason why [X] got so popular was not because of [X] but because they were in the right place at the right time?
NPCchama...

>>40471758
Every one of these girls is very talented in different ways:

Kiara - Very skilled entertainer/speaker/dancer, decent artist and singer
Mori - Despite what the antis say, the most talented of all. Good cartoonist, great musician/singer/writer, good speaker and funny
Amelia - Best all-arounder, great comedian and entertainer in general, talent for techincal side of things. It's a meme but she really is very creative.
Ina - Godly artist, kinda funny in her own way. Her original song is very good. Is being extremely cute a talent?
Gura - Best comedian, great singer. Best handle of entertaining her audience of anyone.
She has the it factor. Will stay popular in one way or another if this ship sinks.

Compared to the general population these girls are brilliant desu. While they were in the right place at the right time, their talent carried them for a while even though hololive and vtubing as a whole has cooled off as of late. They wouldn't be nearly as successful if they sucked. Unity forever.

>>40490768
He's right, we all know myth is mediocre at best. People loved the concept so much they were gaslighting themselves into thinking Mori raps were good.

a mix of some talent, some being in the right place at the right time but mostly riding in off the popularity of HoloJP

>>40471758
Say whatever you want, but the jp loves them, so if they say it's fine, I think it's fine
Maybe you all should stop being EOP

>>40471758
>Are we?
>Now that the dust settled?
>Oh no bros what happened?
>How do we feel about?
And you people call plebbit a hivemind

>>40490471
>>40490712
How is that relevant when we're comparing vtubers?

>>40490712
>>40490471
They're not even comparable. Comparing Moona to Gura is fucking retarded. They're effectively different genres, you don't compare blues with pop or folk, it's a different interpretation and application of musical concepts to produce different aesthetics and effects. But what makes someone noteworthy is an obsession with one of those interpretations.

>>40492242
"most beautiful I've ever heard" reads like it expands beyond just vtubers. even still, just in holo there are a least a half-dozen people who are better singers than Gura in just about every regard.
I will say though that Gura is obviously still a great singer, and I really enjoy her karaokes because she puts a lot of passion into what she sings.

>>40471758
Yes, that's how Hololive works considering the Nepo hires.

>>40491328
>Say whatever you want, but the jp loves them, so if they say it's fine, I think it's fine
Do they really? What metrics are you using as the basis for this claim?
If you mean jp fans, for example, EN doesn't really occupy a lot of their attention nowadays. The "shiny new toy omg so impressive" honeymoon period has long since worn off, the branch has gotten stale, jp interest in EN is pretty flat or down, given how little they are discussed in the jp-sphere, or for example as another indicator to measure actual "jp interest", how yen-superchats make up just a pretty negligible amount for HoloEN talents.
Or if you rather mean the jp talents themselves love EN, eeh... well, even if they hated them, they wouldn't say it outright, even if just to keep up appearances, but for actual "love", idk, they actually do very little with them together. There is very little actual regular interaction (especially compared to the claim that they supposedly "love them" very much) between the branches besides maybe a handful few talents who have any sort of meaningful connection, and most is just pretty superficial fluff (like for example Shion or Okayu saying how much they love Gura, but with little actual collab interaction followup) that doesn't amount to much. Sure, most of that has to do with half of HoloEN being EOPs, and pretty much all of HoloJP being JOPs that are not confident in actually holding meaningful longer conversations with each other, but from the meager results of things anyway the supposed "love" that JP has for EN seems pretty superficial and just lip-service. JPs think of EN mostly as kind of exotic zoo animals, if they think about them at all, given how most of HoloJP doesn't have much regular meaningful interaction with EN anyways.

It's like if you said if HoloEN "loves" the IDs. Sure, if asked, they would of course say they "love" them, what else, but if you'd be disappointed if you expect that to result in much of any regular meaningful interactions between them that actually proves their "love" is more than just empty flattering words and actually means some actions.

>>40492610
I'm not going to agree with you but I can't say you can't have a shitty opinion. We can go back and forth forever on this, which is why it's pointless to even talk about.

>>40488249
COPE. Even Suisei had to kneel to ID.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxWLXLsmwA8

>>40493149
If you like Gura's singing the best, then just say that. It's totally fine.

>>40471758
You have a point, but then again, all of /vt/ and most westerners wouldn't have even known about vtubers if it wasn't for them. Be grateful.

>>40493227
"Fine" clearly just to you considering the trash-talking in this thread but sure.

>>40477834
Go on, who?

>>40471758
>so popular
They were boosted by COVID lockdowns. They would be still popular even today, just not so popular.

>>40493285
True.. it was Gura actually who pulled me in... It was fun then she would stream minecraft sure she wasn't good at it but they were fun streams. Her little cuckle pulled me in and now it feels like it is all drifting away all the fun we had.

I'm not mad at Gura or any of the ENs because they don't stream it's because I wish we could go back to those days in November 2020 when everything else just seemed bigger then EN and /hlgg/ and we were a tighter community.

Anyway thanks for listening here is $100.

>>40489025
This is why everyone hates chumpedos

>>40483717
she did and i have always wondered about it. How old was she? under what circumstances does someone nut on the face of a disabled girl whos body didn't develop properly because of illness?

>>40496286
>the face of a disabled girl whos body didn't develop properly because of illness
Her illness only developed later in her life. Since she's from Puerto Rico she probably slutted it up in her youth. It's probably when she got pregnant too.

>>40472045
>thing bad
Very convincing anon

>>40492993
He's talking about how due to the language barrier and willful ignorance, JP's interpret a lot of the dumb offensive shit they do as kawaii. Or just straight up are incapable of noticing it. Then there's the whole fact that since the girls don't do anything for their Japanese audience, the Japs are only likely to catch them at their lives and new outfits and shit like that which means they can maintain a very positive few of them without knowing what they are like as a streamer. JP's don't even know about plenty of other JP's outside of major event streams.

>>40496422
when did she start developing cvid?
whenever she has talked about her body she made it sound as if it was underdeveloped to to her illness. Also, going to a physical therapist to walk properly.
I've also never heard anything about her having a kid, is that a rrat or has she actually said something about it?

>>40497095
I don't even watch her and I know she has a kid. Isn't she like 30? She's not young for sure given how long she's been active online.

>>40497095
I'm gonna eat a ban for this but yeah, she used to talk about it in the past.

>>40471758
Kiara is the greatest EN vtuber to ever live. One day Ame will go back in time to drop off the first eggs, giving birth to the creature we now know as the "chicken."

You see, our current timeline is the bad ending, where Kiara isn't strong enough. However, Ame needs this timeline to understand what's necessary to reach our end destination.

Every loop she places the eggs -- solidifying the "chicken" as a bootstrap paradox, but effectively creating the "chicken" nonetheless -- and next she's going to have to make the dire move of replacing someone on Myth.

Kronii, being aware of the different timelines Ame has put us through, offers to help. Ame attempts to swap Calli with Kronii, throwing Council under the bus in hopes that removing thoughts of Takamori will help Kiara reach full power. Unfortunately, Council cannot afford to have Calli. It stifles the overall success of hololive too much. Next timeline she'll have to be eliminated from hololive entirely.

We still have a long journey ahead, but Ame has us covered. Ame and Kiara are truly the two strongest EN Vtubers.

>>40471758
Yes for all except kiara if you hate her voice so be it but she actually busts her ass and earned this chance in my opinion.

>>40472020
>Meme queen

Where are the memes? No PL shit, shark stuff only. She seems like a bog-standard vtuber to me.

>>40497257
hope you don't get a ban over information posted on twitter, but thanks for showing me. I'm just going to assume she had a kid before knowing she had a very serious inheritable genetic disease.

>>40497549
The jannies are super autistic about this particular topic and nuke it every time its posted.

>>40497468
You don't have to like her memes you retard, worldwide "a" is more memorable than everything else EN has ever done combined.

>>40497549
Her kid is definitely a teen at this point so maybe?

>>40497602
just because something went viral doesnt make it a meme

>>40497667
The reveal is Ironmouse is actually her mother larping as her kid.

>>40471758
Is that how nijiniggers cope about Lazulight not being as popular as Myth?

>>40497670
But in this case it was one, so luckily for you that's irrelevant.

>>40497968
no

>>40497667
>>40497786
I can't hate the grind living in Puerto Rico fucking sucks.

>>40497468
>>40497602
nta, and I admit I am only a casual Gura watcher (well, as little as you can watch of her nowadays anyway), but yeah, for a supposed "meme queen" chumbuds hype her up to be, there seems to be actually very little memorable memes coming from her now.

Sure, back in her pre-Holo times she had the ability to put out some irreverent 30sec meme song every quarter and many of them went multimillion views viral, but what has she actually done lately? Has she lost it?
I even accept the excuse (even if it's also cope) that "n-nuh uh, you don't understand, she's still a great meme queen, it's just that ackshually Cover is cramping her style too much now, shooting down every one of her many ideas and projects (lol), that's why you don't see for example no funny 30sec meme videos from her like she used to do!"

But a truly "great meme queen" would also have the ability to work around Cover's restrictions, or push through despite them (given how big she is, they should bow to her, right?). The fact that she doesn't points to her demotivation (to use a nicer word than laziness) or that she doesn't even cares to bother anymore nowadays.

Yes

>>40471894
This says more about the absolute state of vtubing then it does about the talent

>>40474772
Could you analyze Shondos voice compared to Gura while we're at the topic?

>>40471758
cringe op

jesus christ, all vtubers are mid singing voice wise, its just because you like their personality that you think their singing is above mid. thats why i think gura is best singer fking period.

>>40497076
That but mostly about the jp talents
>>40492993
Again, I meant the talents and listen if we're going to say that en is shitty and that they shouldn't exist well give me reasons why they're actually shitty and literally ruining the brand instead of being told that some nitpicking are the worst that has happened to the internet (the closest thing I have agreed upon is calli's bullshit but that's another argument and topic) if anything what you said that jp sees EN as exotic animals is enough for me to be fine and watch them without problems, they're not harming anything for the most part so just have fun and enjoy the show
Yes nitpick the problem and voice your concerns of the girls not streaming a lot because that is valid, but at the end of the day, if the jp side are happy about the EN girls doing their things of stupidity, then we should be happy as well

>>40496105
There's something so specific that attracted me to this medium back in 2020 and definitely before the boom of it, it made me happy because it genuinely felt what I felt when growing up with the golden age of the internet, nothing else has ever recreated that feeling but this
My only regret is that I couldn't define what that SOMETHING really was back then, now I doubt myself trying to define it right now because I know have some need found bias thanks to everything that has happened since then
I don't know what's genuine or what's bias I myself created by witnessing things

Gura she has a very attractive voice/personality and would be massively successful no matter what (Ayame is the JP equivalent), as evidenced by the fact that in her past channel she had over a million subs just for posted one low-effort meme video every few months. Plus she got lucky and got a very iconic avatar design for her first outfit, it's like the Pikachu of vtubers. Her problem is she doesn't have motivation/work ethic to be a "content creator" that has to deliver large amounts of content regularly. And if you believe the reasons she gives for disappears several times a year, she has poor health as well. Ina got a very cute avatar and has a very cute personality (hence why she has the most "cult following" out of all EN, the takos) and is the most talented artist in EN but same problem as Gura, low motivation and poor health. Mori is talented and motivated but mostly towards her own stuff, not Hololive. Kiara and Ame are the least talented of Myth but the most motivated towards actually creating cool/fun vtuber content for Hololive.

Council overall is way less talented than Myth but they are more motivated to actually produce content regularly. Myth joined Hololive when there was still a "vtubers are just digital idols" mentality and Council joined after we all knew they were just digital comedians/streamers that need to stream regularly, and it shows in the people who got chosen. It's the same in JP, generally speaking the early gens have the most talented girls but the later gens have the girls that are willing to stream almost daily.

>>40471758
no

>>40471758
this

>>40471758
They literally paved the way for EN Vtubing to be what it is today.

>>40532045
EN has JP side restrictions actual western corpos don't have to deal with and extremely slow debuts killing all momentum. They are so behind the times it's amazing they remained as huge as they are.

>>40471894
This is true, but it's a hell of a low bar.

>>40532543
They're still the biggest EN vtubers. Just because they don't have the highest CCV numbers anymore, they still have the biggest media presence.

>>40476933
>Kiara
>Anting anyone
Sure thing, egg. That totally happened. Proof next thread. Am I right?