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Mario Kart tournament deflection thread

Expanding a group that just started and wasn't very popular to begin with may not have been the best idea.

Pretty high considering that's before they debut and being in holostar. Already at 132k for their teaser video that's been out for over 2 days. They'll get more when they debut. Now it's a matter of if they'll hit 100k subs or not within the important first month where they will have the most viewers for them. Possible but doubtful they'll do it.

>>40438439
Tempiss1 had novelity and that's all. Tempiss2 have nothing. People aren't even interested in getting into drama. It's the worst result possible, it's called irrevelance. And future is grim for the tempiss branch, cause no hype for a new gen is like the biggest death flag. I'll blame EN management for this waste of ressources.

I was going to shitpost but y'know, why do they do that cryptic buildup? Nobody is going to (accurately) decipher whatever your trailer is for. Nobody knew these guys were coming out until like...yesterday.
On top of that, Tempus just isn't fun. Magni is streaming now with a Tempus fan game and it's not drawing a lot of attention. I feel like I'll lose a part of my soul if I click the video.
Like, click *erectile dysfunction for the next week*
Yeah Cover let's double down on that. You could have had a rival guild to Tempus, or some other new concept. Nah. Just more of the same.
Ask your audience before you do shit, and build hype before launch. Simple shit, Cover. Goddamn.

No hype, too close to the previous wave.
They sent those boys to death, the Uproar way.

>>40439225
Wasn't there like a year between the last homoJPs and uproar? Uproar is doing not so good either way.

>>40439177
Having a gen of villain boys to be Tempus's rivals was so obvious I can't believe they didn't do it.

>>40439429
in Uproar's defense, holoID 3 also ended up being announced like the next day after their announcement so they had no chance.

>>40439665
Why?
They already said they were a guild and a guild having more / new members was more of a given to me, personally.
Also it was already foreshadowed ages ago, the 4 empty chairs on the left of picrel have now been occupied.
Maybe the actual next gen will be villains, or a new guild entirely.

>>40438439
They tried to go middle of the road with tempus1, marketing them towards the male audience of hololive, but tempus2 is obviously made to appeal to women, and therefore tempus1 fans don’t even care about them. They should have made them a new group cause only the most diehard homos are fans of all of them which will hurt them when they do big group collabs. They’ll probably get less viewers then before

>>40438439
it was never right, so, nothing

>>40440062
Yeah this is exactly it. The HIGHEST female viewership in Tempus is Axel who sits at about 50/50... and he also typically has the lowest viewership overall. These guys are dead on arrival unless their personalities are significantly better than their models for the actual Tempus audience. My bold prediction is the shirtless one will be equivalent to Sana, underachieving compared to the other 3 significantly, but not without good reason.

>>40438439
ZERO (0) streams
what were they thinking???

>>40438439
Lack of confidence in the EN branch of the company leads to no hype, no hype means no numbers. This is due to numerous terrible decisions by shitty, out-of-touch corporate drones.

>>40440583
Their designs are good, they might snag a couple of NijiEN female fans/whales that don't want their chuuba to interact with any females.

>>40441395
And when luxiem reveals their outfits this month which is highly likely seeing their pattern, the female fans will just run back to those niggas. fujoshis are much more tolerable with female interactions than their counterparts. so these tempiss homos are fucked

>>40438439
The market on Stars inside hololive box, mostly already taken. Now, just like nijisanji, they will cannibalizing each other viewers instead of bringing new people.

>>40438439
BRUH they didn't even debut yet, you'll actually suck a chode if this keeps up

>>40439073
Okay calm down piss enjoyer

>>40441685
>to add to that, stars has even more of a slim fanbase so they might also cannibalize the viewers of their jp branch if one of them manages to pander to jpbros.

>>40438439
>dividing the (vastly smaller side of the) fanbase in 8
>after only 6 months
>when hololive EN didn’t have a debut in 18 months
They’re retarded. There is no way they thought this would work.
It’s spreading the stars fan, it’s unlogical and incomprehensible for hololive fans (who won’t even give them a chance). And it’s killing the hype as a result

Even if you like Tempus or at least Vesper and Magni that’s still lukewarm

>>40441661
I don't think we'll see Luxiem outfits this month since the next 3 weeks are all about Lazulight's 3D. We'll probably get their outfits in February at the earliest so I still think there's still time for them to steal fans away

>>40441395
I think the designs artistically are a step up yeah, but they're also very clearly targetted towards women, which I really just don't think is gonna work out for them.

>>40442013
they'll probably reveal it after pomu's and by then I only see a minuscule overlap of female fans going to tempus as their viewers are mostly male. axel has like 50/50 and still holds the lowest number of ccv. these homos can't even access niji's biggest market with china

>>40440583
>The HIGHEST female viewership in Tempus is Axel
It's Altare actually, 60 percent of Axel's chat are actually dudes

>>40441395
One of the things that NijiEN does well is advertising their EN branch in Japan (especially Luxiem), Cover basically just pretends anyone outside of Myth doesn't exist in terms of marketing them in Japan. This is important because a huge population of their female fans are in Japan/China/SEA.
6 months of Tempus and they haven't gotten a con appearance, only one or two sponsor streams and now they're scrambling to add more members.

>>40442263
He said in one of the recent deleted vods that it moved to about 50/50. I think he did mention that Altare is close though.

Wouldn't trying to appeal to the nijien audience divide the previous fans that want brotubers? Feels like a sudden departure from what they were created for, especially after 6 months. If this was a separate group it would work, but they are advertised as tempus 2.

>>40438857
Here comes the cope as usual.

I still only watch the JP stars anyway. They haven't hired anyone in holostarsEN that really gives off the same vibe as the JP guys and judging from the new designs, they still won't. I have no fucking clue what the fuck they want out of them. They even had one suspension already. Not good, these managers and shadowy people behind the scenes are just fucking awful in every way.

>>40442503
It's even dumber considering that NijiEN's "audience" are middle-aged Chinese women. Meaning, they will NEVER support Cover.

>>40440046
Fuck off omegay

>>40442632
A fish rots from the head down, EN management is just grossly incompetent.

>>40442768
True. I know it's presumptuous to think they'll be like nijien when we haven't seen them talk yet, but I hope they don't go that way. I'm gonna admit, you aren't going to get Luxiem 2: holo edition in terms of success ever again, so they should focus on what makes them unique, which is the whole brotuber thing. But as I've been seeing over the past few days, cover is retarded, so I guess they'll keep trying to chase after that Vox tier profit.

>>40438439
>Hololive production buff
>Still not above IdolEN numbers despite small corpo + jew debuff
KEK

>>40443310
The no shirt one at least is definitely going the coomer route based on his twitter interactions. Maybe not to the extent of Luxiem but way more than Tempus ever did.

>>40439073
Thousands and thousands of people will claim the same old shit like "Its time for the BOYS!" "Finally more EnStars!"
Yet never fucking watch them, they only want stars around to further their anti idol culture movement, they don't care about the talent themselves

>>40438439
Ha.
They don't even deserve more than that.

>>40438439
Is that what those faggots look like?
kek, die slow homos.
Rot in Tempiss

>>40443467
I'll admit that I'm more of a niji person, but from my perspective that just shows me that they have no idea what they're doing with starsEN. With niji, variety with livers is expected, so there's no real unifying vision branch wise. But isn't holo the idol company? I feel like there should be more Idol-y stuff. I don't want to believe that they're trying to turn into niji but it really does feel like they want to be like them, at least with the males.

>>40444174
Technically the EN side are supposed to be entertainers, not idols.
Cover is just really stupid and only got big because they have good talent scouts.

>>40443467
>if the rrats of his pl is true, then you basically get a third-rate copy of vox but debuffed since he can't reach china as an audience and is not an autistic brit. Plus you already have that new fuckboy in niji's new wave as the second coming of vox, so he basically gets filtered more or gets the leftovers if niji sisters give him a chance. And that's only IF they do, as most would probably just go to the other niji males or even females before going to tempiss.

>>40445010
They already fucked up in filling the branch with good singers. they barely promote IRyS and her songs nowadays. only calli and bae are technically good vocal singers. calli gets the attention as usual. you have the boys but their covers are hardly groundbreaking or even forgettable. meanwhile nijiniggas has a ton of powerhouse vocal singers, and they're not even obliged to be idols which is a total fucking waste. even that new esl bitch can outsing most of holoen's members.

>>40438439
I wouldn't sub until after their debuts, and even then they'd have to have an incredible debut for me to give a shit about them. At least something on par with Nowa's.

>>40445378
Only thing he's got going for him based off of that is his model, there's no real buff models in nijien. There's also getting used to the different companies' rigging. It's so weird to me that holos have to toggle for expressions while nijis can just do it naturally. I could also talk about how trying to get "another" vox is a fool's errand (hex does exist but he's a completely different flavor of bfe) but I could be here all day on that topic.

>>40442768
Why do you think all the luxiem fans are mainlanders? They've had tons of events in Taiwan already

>>40438439
management

>>40438439
I hope Gura doesn’t stream until all the Tempisstroons neck themselves. You aren’t entitled to someone else’s popularity, without her the branch will continue to plummet. Enjoy taking over a hobby no one likes anymore.
https://streamable.com/b0jfcp

>>40446271
women don't like actual buff anime men. especially not the modern age of weeb women that obsess over genshin boys, they think "skinny dude with drawn on abs" are "daddy types"

>>40451693
I am sad that he's not really an ojisan. Just doesn't give off older dude vibes like some characters I like. He's not even thick enough to be a bara too. If they wanted to be daring with the models, they should have gone all in. But this is the company that thought Magni's model was good to ship.

>>40451693
>women don't like actual buff anime men
>obsess over genshin twinks
>think "skinny dude with drawn on abs" are "daddy types"
i don't nornally question people's preferences but what the fuck?

>>40452295
buff anime men are what men think women want

>>40452102
they could've gone full maimoto or belmond banderas-route from niji. even their clown is still a pretty boy unlike niji's rikiichi who went full on joker CEO. missed opportunity and at this point niji would emulate that on their en branch and have those ojisan designs debut in the gamer wave which is fucking hilarious. imagine an old man being a gamer.

>>40438439
For those who are into RM rrats, can anyone confirm if at least one of these guys can sing? At least give them someone who can sing good cause Altare and Axel can't keep carrying in this department. And even then, their voices ain't groundbreaking.

>>40452423
It would be a funny contrast, like how yashiro is really good at rhythm games while being this generic looking salaryman.
The more I think about it, the more evident it feels that they don't know what they're doing with starsEN. They want to be niji, but still be somewhat like the idol company they are known for. They want the guys to be brotubers while it's really obvious they want their own vox. They want to appeal to women with different body types than what nijien is doing, but they don't go all the way. I guess I'll see how their debuts go.

>>40439177
>On top of that, Tempus just isn't fun
That's just flat out false, some of my favorite streams in the entire company are from these faggots. They work hard and put out fucking fantastic content. It's a fucking crime they get shat on so much but it wouldn't be holostars if there wasn't suffering and harassment from 500 pound neckbeards worried they're about to be cucked by anime boy pngs. It's not their fault you have dog shit taste.

That being said them being a dying branch or 2 views is greatly exaggerated. They do piss poor if you compare them to the girls but compared to the wider vtuber community they're doing pretty well for themselves and they can still draw in eyes with unhinged wild card streams they tend to do every once in awhile.

Adding more of them is where things could get dicey and potentially put them in the same position the girls in NijiEN were in when they kept debuting all girl gens and spreading their audience thin. honestly I wonder how shit would work out if they split tempus off into a different offshoot of cover and made it an inter gender branch with even looser ties to hololive girls and went harder for the not as spergy male audience and woman who don't want their boys to suck each other off live on stream like NijiEN

>>40453152
I've yet to see RM rrats on any of these guys because they were picked in the same batch as the original 4.
You'd have to look at males who retired back then.

>>40453152
archive reps

>>40454538
>That's just flat out false, some of my favorite streams in the entire company are from these faggots

"Thats false, source: my personal opinion that doesnt matter"

>>40454538
Yeah I'd also agree that Tempus was fun but post Vesper's suspension and even the weeks before that, the boys just seemed I don't know, out of it a few times. Don't know if its just burnout but the vibe is just different. Could just be me though. Magni for example still has great special streams but on regular streams, he just seems I guess bored and uninterested is the term. Vesper is always the same great at zatsus and one-on-one content, but doesn't do much in big collabs even with the boys. Don't watch much of the other two apart from collabs. I guess they're good at singing but as someone said here, not that of a stand-out. The first two were great examples of brotubers. So these new boys need to be on brand or at least unique or else they'll just be filtered as those that come after luxiem or tempus1' shadows.

Debuted in a dead dying branch (Hololive EN) instead of a thriving, successful one (Nijisanji EN)

>>40448390
Pack it up boys, captain manchild here said vtubers are dead.

>>40438439
Cover doesn't understand their EN audience.

>>40455901
>The first two were great examples of brotubers
and they're doing the worst. face it the problem isn't their content. it's that cover pushed them as brotubers too hard and did not give them a chance to find their own audience.

>>40455962
The thing is I can't even shit on this statement, as most of the en girls are barely streaming. the guys do but old man vesper is the only one that keeps my attention. maglord was great the first few months, but I somehow lost track of watching his streams.

Question to the brotuber people. What do you find so compelling about brotubers? There are thousands of guys making amazing content who aren't vtubers. Why aren't you watching them?

>>40455962
If only Cover could accept the fact that Niji is the go-to male vtuber company and invest everything into their girls instead of trying to take a slice of that cake and fucking literally everything up.
How the fuck are Japanese companies so good at fucking everything up.

>>40438439
Holostars is not where the numbers come in. If I was a retarded faggot and managing the EN branch after Tempus1 debut it would have been
>EN3 in October I guess they're monster girls or some shit like a Lahmia girl and a Slime girl and various girls that appeal to my fetishes, like a girl whose model is a monoeye/cyclops but she can switch between cyclops and 2 eyes because we want the Monster Musume audience
>call them something like Titania (Myth, Hope, Council, Titania) because fuck you I guess their lore is that they're titans or monsters who fought the gods (council) in the Titanomachy and now they're free from erebus because sana is a whore or something so they got some stuff going on with council and hope and myth is there too for reasons
>then you have Tempus 2 debut as 'the guild' that hunts monsters and shit so they also have some chemistry there
>girls with 20k CCV raid into tempus, 50-70% of the audience doesn't want to watch the boys but that's okay because you got about 8k that will then you got about 12-20k that will watch a Tempus2 debut
>20-40k CCV debuts, a holostars record
>pat myself on the ass, dress up as a girl and jerk off in the mirror while calling myself a dirty whore (omega already does this)
And then post on twitter about how I knew this would happen while taking credit for other people's hard work.

>>40458019
For me personally I keep applying for Holostars and want to brotube. I have zero interest in trying to be sexy. I just want to play games and unleash heavy shitpostery capybara energy. I am the content creator.
Unfortunately Cover wants to go the route it to appeal to women (which is fine) so every time a new gen comes out I'm like god damn it but also glad I didn't get those models/costumes.
I can't speak for everyone else, but it makes me happy they want brotubers.
Imagine, sitting down and playing games. Talking to people who spend time in your chat. Amazing.
Oh there's also the part where working for Cover lets you interact with and entertain the Japanese which are surprisingly difficult to get a hold of as a whole.

>>40439429
There were 2 years of a gap between Gen3 and Uproar. Uproar was overshadowed by ID Gen3 and 2 of them immediately started streaming for over after debut 6 hours and killed any potential viewers because of how long their first week streams were

>>40439073
>>40438857
Tempus2 is going to get shit numbers because Tempus1 could at least rely on the anti-hype from sana's graduation (people tuned in to watch her and she was getting her highest CCV since debut, 10k on various streams, when she had dumped down to 800 viewers back in the lows of january when she was being a retarded whore).

There is no 'hype' coming off this, gura is completely awol so any of her audience that might have given tempus a hate view or a pity view are just in the corner crying and stroking their minidicks about shork loli being gone.

They have allowed the branch to just lose all hype and interest by doing stupid shit. Cultivating EN3 would have driven hype that could have created momentum for Tempus 2. Instead they're dealing with holiday dregs and whatnot.

>>40458203
>fucking everything up
HoloEN exists and always existed to shill JP branch(and even ID now). People see all that shit in EN and go JP or ID. It's perfect for Cover.

>>40458730
>I keep applying for Holostars and want to brotube. I have zero interest in trying to be sexy
you're an idiot who doesn't understand vtubers
brotubers are not a thing

>>40455962
>Nijisanji 3views EN
>Successful
LMAO

>>40438439
me, I ruined everything, I'm sorry

>>40458838
True I'm not the smartest, but they *can* be a thing. To prove it, look at Aruran. Everyone liked his old model but disliked his new bishounen model.
There's an audience. Not everyone thinks with their crotch I promise you. I'd bet my entire career on it.

>>40442468
Nijisanji jp has a lot of viewers, so it will be linked to EN promotion, but Holostars has few viewers to begin with, so no one will see it even if you advertise Holostars EN.

>>40458850
lol at least these girls had something to work for and are streaming, and even then flopluna girls are the only ones getting consistent 3views especially aia and scarle (who's still a top sc earner). the guys are 4views except for aster, but he's a literal "who" among nijimales. I'll ditch these niggas if only those lazy holoen whores go back to consistently streaming.

>>40459260
Lol niji jp has a ton of brotubers already. Wish I could the say the same to en. Do you really think Rikiichi for example panders to female audiences or fujoshis? That's why yagoo was late with holostars as you already have powerhouses like kuzuha, kenmochi, etc in niji who were mostly brotubers back then before they dabbled into the idol stuff, completely killing the idol aspect of starsjp branch as a whole.

>>40458730
Why not do it for real then? Put on the capybara costume I mean. I think you would be way more popular that way than with some shitty Live2D. Hell you could probably go to Japan to do that shit, they love foreign comedians with a one joke repertoire.

>>40458838
they could have been. Tempus was doing great until they collabed with EN and promptly ruined themselves for alot of the daily hololive audience.

>>40438439
nobody wants homos, everybody wants en3

>>40459260
>want to brotube
that's actually funny cause no matter how much you want to brotube. stars would still have you go on stage and perform idol stuff like a true brotuber would.

>>40439177
>You could have had a rival guild to Tempus, or some other new concept
your post remind me of the rivalry between the Critic and the AvGN back in the day, it was always made for the videos and their feud was staged and fake but the fact that that drew shit ton of fans says alot and yeah they could have done or a "counterpart" shit or whatever after all male rivalry is always interesting in media and history itself (Rush, Social Network, etc)

>>40438439
>when you can't beat the tutorial boss

>>40443419
I unironically enjoy the eel girl.

How much is the incline usually after debut based on tempus1 numbers? 30k-50k(?) in one week without potential cullings from susan?

>>40460242
I would abso-fucking-lutely perform idol stuff on stage and sing songs!!!! I'm just not going to send twitter messages that are overly flirty.
>>40459896
I'm gonna apply again on my next day off when I'm not dead tired, I think it has been three months now.
Who knows, if I make it I might be able to help the struggling gens like Uproar and stuff. My Japanese is shabby but I can speak it in a pinch.
Damn it Cover you're both hella frustrating but also my best shot at the moment. I'm on a Nene arc over here.

>>40460902
probably won't be that big of a bump unless they REALLY shatter all expectations. They probably won't even catch up to original Tempus and the top subbed member of the group will be lucky to pass Aruran by the time the next group debuts.

>>40461132
good luck my friend. doomposting aside, I hope you get through and hopefully cover doesn't do anything stupid to fuck things up like they do with these current additions. poor guys' debuts filled with drama already.

>>40461582
some rrats about their RM say that there's no stand-outs among these additions in the likes of vesper and dez. the buff one is said to have a similar voice to hex, but niji got to that first now and they still have vox. others are twitch streamers I believe if they're confirmed after tomorrow, and don't really offer anything new. but hey, they could hopefully be a surprise.

>>40439177
Let's be honest, the lore doesn't fucking matter. Almost all of them will have dropped the persona by next week. Nobody cares or even thinks about their "Character" outside some jokes because none of it fits with their personality and they still don't do the intelligent thing and match people to the characters instead of just putting in whoever they think would be funny.

>>40461856
>twitch streamers
Are their selection pool really that low? Even Niji's newest wave got varied additions, 2 from twitch, 2 from yt (fubuki2, Korean dude), 1 who has both yt and a pornhub account of all things and I still don't know where the fuck that gyaru came from.

>>40462256
to me, if I had to guess it probably is a combination of
>anyone more out there as an option doesn't care to join holo
>the people selecting people are too afraid of hiring more ridiculous characters so they go with the safer choices they could find/had big number
>the selection process eliminated people for really stupid reasons like they mentioned they watched a hololive member at some point in their life
>you can probably find proof of nepotism hires among the choices once they actually debut, making them safe choices.

>>40458850
Thanks to your very mindset your whores can take all the vacations they want with their boyfriends.
Thanks for the condom money holoATM.

>>40438439
They fucked up on every single point. Even I, who like the Tempus boys don't care this time around.
Why would you release new Holostars EN before EN3?
Why are they called Tempus when people will obviously differentiate between Tempus 1 and Tempus 2 anyway?
I'm not even against pushing for the boys to do well within Holopro but Cover is breaking every patterns in the worst and dumbest ways possible here. It doesn't make sense.

>>40463254
I'm betting they're making them both Tempus so EN can have their own version of the original 9 holostars, then with the 3rd group it will be treated like a different group all together like Uproar.

>>40462789
CGDCT
I'm glad they're having fun with girls last few days in Japan
Meanwhile nijicucks...Letting their oshis get fucked by their coworkers...

>>40463395
And that's the problem. Uproar never made sense either. Uproar is just treated like another gen within Stars atm.
Cover tried to distanciate them from the regular Holostars brand and it failed miserably. So now there is no point for the whole "Uproar is not actually directly Holostars" thing anymore.

>>40462256
This is actually funny cause both doppio and zaion's RMs were easily found based on teaser alone. meloco and the other two guys you have to do some digging to know. meanwhile, that autistic stinky gyaru is a literal "who" but manages to have what it takes to actually stream and be entertaining. If she was in hololive, she'd be a perfect addition and be kaela 2.0 with how much she grinds on streams.

>>40438439
This board was right when they said that the only people that want homostars EN are bandwagon jumpers that would fuck off as soon as some new NijiEN gen launched.
Homostars EN currently has a core fanbase of around 1000 hololive EN viewers that are OK with males and they're hardstuck with that audience. The rest of the holoEN audience refuses to watch them and they're not gaining new viewers or attracting a different demographic. These new homos will probably cannibalize that audience.
Look at the fucking subreddit, the place that's usually the most enthusiastic about homostars EN. It had to be fucking locked down because fans are assblasted that hololive EN barely has streams these days, while management decided to launch another homo gen instead of doing something about the lack of holoEN content. Now was the time to launch EN3.
This gen is fucking dead on arrival because these factors, people outside of the HomoEN 1 fanbase simply don't give a fuck and are losing their interest in holoEN.

Literally just emulate NijiJP bros. That’s the formula. If we had gotten goofball ass bro tubers it would’ve been perfect

>>40464119
>Look at the fucking subreddit, the place that's usually the most enthusiastic about homostars EN.
It's not that they're enthusiastic about it. It's that anyone who expresses any opinion other than glowing praise gets brigaded and then banned. Reddit is a dogshit forum for that reason. You're seeing a portion of those 1000 or so viewers running the sub with an iron fist because they have nothing better to do. Everyone else would rather watch their oshis instead of spending time trying to fight some gay community fight over a subreddit.

>>40464262
exactly, instead they went the other direction and tried the pretty boy route. they're afraid to go far and have goofy ass models like nijijp males. I'd even be more interested if they have someone like Chaika from nijiseeds, a literal crossdressing transvestite elf. That's literal camp and would draw in interest.

>>40464399
That's my point, usually you get dogpiled.
Now they couldn't control the narrative, even the circlejerkers were pissed because of the current state of EN and complete lack of content. The homoEN2 announcement was the straw that broke the camel's back. They had to fucking lock it down because they couldn't ban dissenters fast enough. Nobody wants this gen not even the reddit circlejerk.
They should have been launched a year after homoEN1. Now was the worst possible moment ever to launch them.

>>40438439
>Hololive fans will literally kick 4 human beings to the floor because they aren't females
I still have no idea how holofags explain their rationale

>>40438439
Unironically NijiEN

Their success mindbroke Cover, and now they have to beat them at their own game or die trying.

We want delicious anime waifu pussy to fantasize about and develop unhealthy parasocial attachments with to cope with not having a real girlfriend.

Not some mexican twink from guatemala and a bunch of vapid boring dudes who are too afraid to actual stream using RM persona like every succesful male streamer on earth.

>>40464809
>Build an empire off GFE and Lesbo harems while keeping boys away
>Suddenly want the girls to be "real", stop with the romance RP and ships, and talk to boys
I remember the mind break from Kiara, all she wanted for so long was to collab with Pomu, and when she finally got it, you could tell Kiara's ideals of "Idols" and the like just died with her when she saw that Pomu and NijiEN were having genuine fun even with 1/3rd or 1/4th of HoloEN's fanbase
Now you'll be lucky if Kiara even remembers Pomu's name once a month

>>40439073
Honestly feels like Tempus2 and Tempus1 were supposed to come out at the same time, releasing Tempus2 now when Tempus1 didn't have a chance to do a big event together or build up more it's just weird though.

>>40465022
Man, Kiara really be shookedt to the core. pomu's fans are something else. even tho males interact with her and her unicorns seethe, these die-hard pissydachis still keep coming back to her. Even after that uki sleepover debacle and luca's usual shenanigans. what exactly does this fairy bitch do to her fans? keep them on a tight leash in her basement?

>>40465298
Well for one, Uki is gay as hell, both on and off the clock, and i'm fairly sure he let some doxx slip about him and his BF
Two, Luca lives in Roo-land and Pomu in America, so these 2 things kinda dispell the "HAVING SEX WITH POMUUUUU"
And for extra measures, she doesn't plan to off-collab with any of the other males unless it's with Niji official management

>>40465428
Well to be fair, she banters really well with the guys and manages to not be awkward about it. same goes to selen.

>>40438439
>male fans who were initially goodwilled towards Tempus won‘t watch them because Tempus 1 did everything that was disregarded as doomposting before
>female fans are hesitant to watch them because Tempus 1 filtered their fujoyume audience until they saw it wasn‘t profitable to do so, with members like Altare and Vesper suddenly pushing BFE content after the collab spam while Magni and Axel behave like desperate twitch coomers
it‘s unironically the association to Tempus. they should‘ve debuted another guild if they didn‘t want starsEN2 to be judged by the disaster that is starsEN1 in terms of disrespecting the core audience of both hololive and holostars

>>40465996
This.
People won't give them a chance because they're tempus 2

>>40464399
They're such fucking idiots. They were so terrified of people shitting on them that they preemptively killed the subreddit without anyone lifting a finger. These things work because people visit them regularly for new 'content'. Interrupting that just gimps yourself while people look elsewhere for their daily fix and break their habit. The reddit served as the 'official' regulated centralized hub of hololive discussion which the normalfags who didn't come to 4ch would use as an easy yardstick for majority opinion when they were too lazy to make up their minds. Now they have no such thing and twitter and fan discords naturally spin towards drama. In fact it looks like they did drive people into /vt/. Before the new year it was a sequence of decaying spikes, but after the lockdown there's a steady rise in activity.

>>40438439
Who asked for this again?

>>40467297
>don’t be a faggot
>call Tempiss faggots
>simple as
If they aren’t faggots and actually hate Tempiss they might pass. If they get offended at being called a faggot they won’t last long.
That’s the limit of my charity for r*dditourists.

shoving them down peoples throats made people dislike them, shockingly enough.

The fags and fujos on reddit spam these faggots non stop and now nobody else can be bothered to use the sub

>>40468466
Don't even see much hype about them on twitter either. and if the rrats of their RMs are true, then I doubt any of them would be groundbreaking as they're practically all twitch-tier streamers. YAGOO, get your fucking shit together and do something with your holoen girls.

>>40438439
Putting it out at the speed of niji's waves is a bad idea when that is not the norm for hololive. Especially when tempus wasn't a breakout hit like Myth or luxiem for the branch. People just wanted more girls.

>>40463254
>Why would you release new Holostars EN before EN3?
If you want my schizo rrat:
I think Cover was not happy with the frequent (almost weekly) hololive/holostars collabs, and felt like current situation was hurting talents more than helping them. As a a result, they started to enforce a much more strict separation between the two, which is also why even Mori/Kronii/Bae haven't done any collabs with Tempus in the past weeks/months. But if you want holostarsEN to survive as its own independent unit, you need more than just 4 members, so they wanted to debut Tempus2 relatively soon rather than debut EN3 first and then wait another 3-4 months. Management might also reason, that if there are more holostarsEN, there might be less homobeggars that would pester the newly debuted girls, which would have been in a similarly difficult position as the current ones were when Tempus first debuted. Basically, try to avoid somebody "doing a Kronii" right after debut and scare away any potential audience.

>>40464809
>NijiEN
>Success

>>40470121
At this point, they're at least successful at still doing their jobs and still raking in the SC cash. Wish I could say the same to the current state of holoen but noo, yagoo decides to find more boytoys instead.

>>40463793
>since that stream Enna's CCV has been higher then ever
>in fact every yab stream seems to make Enna stronger

>>40458730
dude, what the hell is the logic to be a "tempus swordman fantasy guild adventurer" and then... shitpost? play videogames?
What's the point of a normal flesh streamer but anime avatar?

the girls, regardless of character, can easy do the cute anime girls do slice of life cute things, but a male brovtuber action/cool type will be always out of character.

The fujo gays are the real and only male vtubers, you need to make your damn characters real.

>>40438439
They haven't even debuted yet and you're already shit posting riling everyone up who has them living rent free inside their mind including yours. You faggots are pathetic. I sincerely hope there's a third male branch for EN to spite you faggots.

>>40438439
Bro they haven't even debuted yet..

>>40438439
>Tempiss 1: /vt/ angry but leddit excited
>Tempiss 2: both angry and omegatranny shut down leddit
A promising future await those niggas. They should all burn in hell

>>40458019
For the same reason I enjoy regular hololive
It's a group of creators that are :
>heavily incentivised to colab with one another
>cannot talk pollitics shit
>cannot show their fat and ugly faces
>cannot make most dogshit normalfag content due to the limitations of vtuber models.
I still watch some 3dpg male streamers, but most of them end up failing some of the points I've mentioned and it just makes me lose interest.

>>40438439
nothing we gonna go into a new era dominated by MEN
FK THE faggots women
they will kneel to be the sluts of men.
this genre will be taken over by men of caliber

1st the losers gen in
then the capable ones get in.
then MEN take over and shaft all these whores aside. they'll never rise to prominence again !
female whores get rekt, and have to be actual hoes again!

>>40471939
>tempus1 leddit excited
From the occasional times I checked on that sub after the inital homo announcement, I can honestly say for all the
>WHERE ARE THE BOIIIS?
you would see on twitter ect, reddit barely even fucking talked about them after they got announced, iirc there was not even a pinned thread for the longest time. Ironically when people here started the magging shit and it spilled out into twitter THAT is when hundreds of containment breakers started posting /MAG/ oc on reddit and they suddenly got excited, it was crickets before that. /vt/ saved tempus1 reddit was only asking for them to virtue signal and didn't actually give a fuck

>>40456457
Arent Magni and Vesper the most popular though?

>>40460133
With these yaoi avatars?

>>40473906
Which still isnt much when you have niji faggots dominating both the en and domestic markets for male vtubers. They're at least more popular than their stars jp counterpart but even then the bar is low on that one.

>>40473493
>/vt/ saved tempus1
WHYYYY YOU FUCKING MORONS

>>40438439
subjectively, i think starsEN 2 will do worse because they don't have a) the first of its kind buff and b) they don't have the initial big pull of a talent like Mag

that being said, b can definitely change and be huge like if they randomly snagged per se Forsen

>>40442768
You're stuck in the past, like 10 months ago. They blew up outside of china and have a bunch of fans from all over Asia. Koreans make up a huge chunk of the fanbase now.

>>40438439
No one asked for it

>>40474134
A lot of it was astroturfing that retards actually bought in to.

>>40474380
Yeah I've seen more and more kr clips of niji en recently. noticed it post-iluna and much more, post-xsoleil. even more jp clippers have popped up. seems like getting jp girls (melo & kotoka) and kr boys (ver) seem to have attracted their attention somehow.

>>40474134
Because fuck you, faggot.

>>40438439
not even 100k predebut?
holostars is dying desu

>>40474600
not even half of that even. KEK And debuting boys at this point is not a novelty, so they're unlikely to blow up big like myth or luxiem.

If Cover wants popular males they have to skip existing vtuber fans and aim for mainstream presence

>Debuted EN3 by August 2022
>absolutely no male collabs
All they had to do was not be a whore.

>>40465140
Pretty sure tempiss1 have had a few thing you could concider big event, but their fanbase is too small for hololive wiever to concider it big event. They had offcollabs, the DND stuff; well nothing that original since it's mostly trying to remake what myth did but well.
>>40469249
If you want my schyzo rrats, is that EN managements are fucking burgers retard with a holier and better than thou attitude and trully believe they will sucess where holoJP failled in pushing boys but are just failling at both homofags and hololive because of that, and maybe even risking some of the JPs audience and should be fired as soon as possible.

>Debuted EN3 by August 2022
>absolutely no male collabs
I fixed Tempus. All they had to do was tell the females to not be a whore.

>>40438439
too soon. the audience needs to be wanting more members before you add more members. there is no demand for them yet.

>>40464791
Faggots larping as anime fujobait and all their faggots fans aren't human beings

>>40438439
they made their audience (Reddit) angry

>>40438439
Call me out on this, but I'm pretty sure Tempus 1 was around the same mark at this time after their announcement trailer. You're just twisting shit to fit your narrative.

>>40458736
Wait, so you're saying that streaming more is actually bad????

>>40438439
Honestly, they wasted the opportunity to release EN3 or even JP7.

>>40438439
Too soon

>>40475498
False. They got similar amount of subs after like 10h. I don't know what they had after 2 days, but I believe it was at least 10k more.

>>40475961
The night before debut, tempus 1 had around 70k-80k already. XSoleil had like 70k-90k subs as well with repeated cullings from Susan. Right now, tempus2 didn't even reach the 30k mark yet which is an all-time low for newer gens debuting post-luxiem.

>>40474480
This is correct, it was painfully obvious. It’s hard to tell if they were shills or people that like to make /vt/ cringe. It was so godawful to watch I was certain it was r*ddit trying ri make fetch happen. Either way whoever did it hates /vt/ and probably just wanted to watch Hololive burn, sickening.

That I'm none of them yet

>>40476183
They also did it again to /cgdct/ with /cbdct/ by co-opting and skinwalking something made to exclude them. They made it so gay everyone just dropped it to avoid being associate with those faggots. It’s like watching your parents use slang.

>>40438439
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you don't unterstand ITS THE INCELS THE UNICORNS they are sabotaging them on purpose they got MILLIONS of interactions on twitter and everyone in public and the discords and reddit talk good about them

>>40474134
To make (You) mad.

>>40475961
>>40476154
>source: my ass

>>40476372
>r*ddit effect

>>40476555
Please check anon and give us the exact numbers and source. And it still wouldn't change the fact that tempiss 2 has such low sub counts pre-debut.

>>40444070
>>40444154
you know the more you shit talk the more we're not getting an EN3. Shut the fuck up already otherwise karma will strike us like lightning

>>40476469
I don't blame you I blame Ame, Bae, Mori, Kronii for falling for it. I cringe at kronii's parasocial speech.

>>40476678
Who cares now, their existence is the most embarrassing thing about vtubers. It can’t get any worse.

>>40476678
I want EN to implode already if they are not an idol company.

>>40476766
Accelerationism is based. So are race wars, let’s fucking go!

you know what maybe we should get an EN3.. but not for the girls for Stars the amount of seethe here is enormous, you faggots actually deserve it this time. Kiss my ass

>>40476742
>It can't get any worse
EN3 debuts but they turn out to be ex-twitchthots who know nothing about vtubing

>>40476653
No. Tempus 1 had only 5k before debut. Now you have to factcheck me, loser.

>>40476678
Good try homoniggers, kys

>>40476728
Good. Now leave this board, parasocial simp.

>>40476848
based

>>40438439
They don't have a girl to leech of yet, just look at Regis he only has 200k subs because of Kobo and still loses to Vesper talk streams

>>40476678
If EN management is holding the girls hostage on whether we accept the homos or not they deserve to collapse as a branch. With their locking their shitty ass subleddit the other day that looks extremely hostile to anyone who likes the girls now, it's not good enough that you accept the guys, you have to accept that they get more shit faster than the girls and you're permabanned if you disagree.

>>40476961
I'm not even a homolover fucking bitch, go fuck yourself if you don't want an actual EN3 fat faced fuck.

Not even Mori wants to shill them this time. NOT EVEN OLLIE

>>40477089
I think they realized that it's possible to brigade so hard to try to "own the incels" that you actually cut your own support short because your own fucking job is to in fact, serve and please those incels. They can quit if they don't like that inconvenient fact.

>>40476951
yikes if you say so. it's official guys maglord and the boys only have 5k subs before debut so tempus 2 would surely be a soaring hit right?. i concede

>>40476848
christ dude calm down

>>40443878
I do. All 4 boys in Tempus are entertaining and fun to watch, each in their own way.
New ones - we don't know anything about them. Why should I subscribe? Let them debut first.

Yeah no I might finally have a shotatuber I can lust over, I've specifically asked for this for the past year. Not even NijiEN gave that to me
>>40476848
Bro you really shouldn't let it get to you.

>>40477080
I really don't care about EN3. The idol kayfabe is dead and the smaller corpos are better at it now.

>>40476848
>lol look at them being mad from being provoked!! haha it's THEIR fault management is being ridiculous!! hit them again!!

your thought process, is subhuman.

>>40477181
So go to your jewcorp then asswipe

>>40477080
So your plan for showing your interest for EN3 is defend and suck homoniggers dicks? Instead of complaining and show this is not what you want? Its pretty clar that you're retarded or a homonigger, and i'm inclined for the second

>>40477240
HoloEN isn't an idol company, I don't see the point.

>>40463254
EN management has been obsessed with getting rid of the gen system that has worked for them in the past.
They went a step further by not even giving them their own unit name like Myth/Council, right off the bat they gave them no sense of identity.

>>40477162
I'd understand if you say at least Magsters and Vesper are entertaining. But Axel and Altare??? blue dude just leeches and is boring as fuck on streams and axel is a schizo that doesn't even know how to get his shit together, tho to be fair he's improved.

>>40477089
>mori
she retweeted their announcement video
as far as interactions with the new guys, there's none (or at least none that are relevant enough)

>>40477162
>All 4 boys in Tempus are entertaining
cope more. only vesper manages to keep the momentum. even dez seems uninterested recently in a few of his streams tho can you blame the guy? he's already complained to his RM about his ugly face.

>>40477304
She tweeted about how their guild still doesn't have a healer and had some banter with Magni about the new guys

>>40477275
Not even one hint of defense on my end, fix your eyes fucker. Pieces of shit like you think that the second I mention anything about the homos it's all.
>H-holy shit! he's defending the homos! He has to be a cuck!
You don't even know how karma works, so why don't you go fuck yourself.

>>40438439
>Hololive Tempissisyphus
You deserves this for listening to the loud terminally online troons that created a false equivalence. Never listen to r*dditroons, the same way you shouldn’t listen to the vocal 10% of twittertroons. They will never represent the majority no matter how much they post, they just shout over common sense to silence dissent and impose their will.

>>40477407
Looks like this homofag is mindbroken people don't like the boytoys

>>40477287
Sure, I find Uncle Nowa much more entertaining than others, but all 4 are fun. I did tune in some Altare streams, I did listen some Axel zatsudans and enjoyed them.
And there's a variety. I think Nowa is great, someone else will find him boring and will always prefer to watch Axel instead.

>>40438439
let's see after debut. could be there's not anymore chinks watching.

>>40477361
>even dez seems uninterested recently in a few of his streams
He's always been like that outside of "special" streams. I feel like he's way better suited for videos than streaming (which I guess makes sense considering his RM), his special event streams with unique ideas and prep (judge Magni, Christmas radio show, worms commentary, etc) can be great but his regular everyday content has always been pretty weak. He always sounds kinda uninterested and like he's struggling to think of stuff to talk about.

>>40476848
Troon chan typed this

>>40477481
Why are you watching that, faggot, you're part of the problem.

>>40477447
Well fuck you then, I hope a truck runs you over on your way home and end up straight down to Satan's toilet

>>40477285
Man I forgot about that but now that you mention it, this is also true back to the "don't call council EN2" shit. Literally, who do they think they are? Do they hate idol culture THAT much that they refuse to use gens because that's potentially an idol thing? You could tell from this and from who they hired that they seriously are saboteurs who don't belong in the driver's seat. Like at all. It's only really-really obvious now but the illusion was already cracking around when Council debuted.

>>40477407
Ok, honest question here, why are you homobeggers so fucking bad at hiding? Haven't you seen enough falseflaggers on all your begging threads to ñearn something?

>>40474134
Because chaos is fun

>>40477529
I don't really care about your culture war bullshit, I'll watch the homos if they stream good content which Magni does every once in a blue moon.

>>40477589
NGL I'm enjoying the destruction right as the vtuber fad started to lose steam.

>>40477649
The only culture war going on is EN management fighting against everything that makes Hololive Hololive these days. And they will shoot you dead if you disagree. It's hell.

>>40477407
>She thinks the world works based on karma
Glad you confirmed that you're a tranny, ywnbaw

>>40477287
axel is entertaining as fuck, he's like unhinged in a lot of his streams which is why i watch him

>>40477649
Then why not watch Magni's roommate where he has less content restrictions.

all of the bitching aside, at least the red femboy has a cool mecha design so he might be worth watching

>>40477374
Magni is really the only Tempus guy Mori really cares about, she doesn't seem to have any attachment whatsoever to the new guys.

>>40477576
It's not just EN, HoloX also got a special gen name instead of being officially called gen 6, and while ID still uses gen numbers officially they've been giving their new gens names as well. I think Cover is moving away from gen numbers in general because they've grown a lot and having a group of girls be called "gen 27" is kinda lame. Niji had to do the same thing way earlier because of their accelerate autism.

>>40441395
better models, but they have no personality in comparison to tempus1

>>40477697
>>40477558

>>40438439
>2 purple(-ish) guys
>1 red guy
>1 brown guy
I don't get how they haven't figured it out yet. There's isn't even a blue guy, it's like they want this gen to fail.

>>40477781
you haven't even heard what they sound like or how they act on stream? how would you know?

>>40441950
>hololive fans (who won’t even give them a chance).
Actually, normalfags and casualfags will. However:
1. HoloEN is barely streaming
2. No EN3
Which adds up to currently no normalfag or casualfag audience currently checking out holoEN. The current audience is the core holoEN enjoyer and they do not give a shit about boys. Tempus had the Sana graduation attracting tourists who would check them out. Tempus 2? None. The holotourists are gone and the Tempus 1 audience does not guarantee big subs or views. Add the fact that January is seasonally bad for streaming overall, which equals they have shit.

>>40477576
It's pretty obvious nowoday that there is someone in the high holoproEN management who is pushing some fucking shit agenda resulting in the branch to get weaker and weaker, honnestly it need to stop and if you have to sacrify a few stars for this person to be fired, it wouldn't be a huge sacrifice since it's pretty obvious their existance is part of that agenda and they will be removed after he left anyway.

>>40477684
Like I said, I don't really care.

>>40477736
I like the restrictions, it's part of why I enjoy the big corpo vtubers. I like that they're forced to stay away from certain topics and styles of content, most of which are low effort rubbish that brings in the most views somehow. I didn't watch any of the twitch normalfag collabs that the homos did a while back for the same reason.

I never asked for this

>>40477778
Or it could be at least in part because gens are clearly sequential one can logically think back in time and realize that the spacing on them is growing far apart, which is out of line with a sequence in your head matching up to timed debuts.

So basically like, if you knew it took X months to go from gens 3->4 and then X from 4-5, then if 5->6 takes way longer that feels off or like it's late because it's not "timed right." So in going with just-names it's like an "they're released when they're released and that's it, don't expect a pattern or timing to it."

>tl;dr I think their rationale is "if more tempus isn't a new gen, then EN3 isn't late whenever it comes, by the way it's not EN3 and I'll ban you if you say it is :)" which is incredibly retarded and Cover is only fooling themselves

>>40467297
Comments always go up here when there's drama its all the redditors and discordfags coming for the hottest goss

>>40477773
>Mori cares about the guy with the big roommate
Who could have seen this coming

>>40438439
All of them have stupid as fuck names.
How the fuck do you pronounce Banzoin?
Hakka? More like hack up some puke and call it a homostar.
Josuiji? Have those letters EVER been put together in that way before?
Shinri, AT LEAST NAME HIM SHINJI since that's an ACTUAL NAME people can remember.
MachinaxFlayon, what is this your crack ship for inanimate objects?

JPs are fine with retarded names like La+, because JPs are retarded in general.
For a concrete example, just look at JP names in the Ace Attorney series. "Surprise Lawboy" and "Onetruth Onehundredseptendecillion" are actual character names.

But for english speaking audiences, we don't want retarded garbage like that, we want actual NAME names.

>>40477910
Holo tourists died when the girls stopped streaming. I think management is scared of another girl quitting like Sana so they don't nudge them at all to stream anymore.

>>40477982
your opinion means nothing

>>40478058
>Banzoin
He's from the tempiss lore equivalent of Japan so it's supposed to be a jap name, pronounced banzo-in

>>40477965
I absolutely hate political bickering. However EN has been terrible about avoiding needless controversy which is the fundamental idol like quality.

>>40438439
>Banzoin Hakka
>Ban Zion
OY VEY THE GOYIM KNOW, SHUT IT DOWN

>>40477872
they're on twitter.

>>40478058
they're literally copying the nijiEN male naming schemes like Doppio Dropscythe etc. EN management clearly wishes they were nijiEN which is fucking pathetic because nijiEN is only a small fraction of their ccv/subs/views. the only leg up it has is the chinese fujo audience which is basically impossible for cover to get back anyway.

>>40478058
you're not gonna watch any of them so why do you care how stupid their names are?

>>40478233
The fabled idol corp killer...

>>40478270
what the fuck does Niji have to do with this? this isn't your thread nijifag get out

>>40478064
They say they saved me, but I'm not sure saved is the right word.

>>40478272
For laughs, they have exposed abs femboy avatar but still convinced they are bro tubers.

>>40443878
Do you have a list of those thousands and thousands of people?

>>40478333
The criticism is EN is indistinguishable from Nijisanji now they killed the idol kayfabe.

>>40478412
The entire population of Chad.

>>40438439
Niji has covered the market.
Yagoo to cheap for bots

>>40478160
The only controversies I can think of are due to them being retarded, not them going out of their way to stir up drama bullshit. It's unfortunate but inevitable, they're a bunch of mostly young people with no type of media training or proper preparation who have become "celebrities" in a space that's an absolute minefield for potential drama. It is what it is.

>>40478272
I was going to check them out but since I literally can't remember any of their names I'll stick to Noir Vesper, Magni Desmond, Rosemi Lovelock, and Amelia Watson (wow look at that, all easy to remember, non-retarded names!)

>>40478437
blame that on cover. niji en was never as big as holoen but now, even people are tuning in on them or switching to small corpos. they fucked up just because they want that luxiem share which they can never get at this point. seems like petra's discord leak and fungal covid's comments mind broke yagoo and omega's heads.

I hate that at the end of the day, the only reason the girls are more popular than the guys is just that, that they are girls.
Having dick is a huge debuff.

>>40478708
Only if you're a vtuber

>>40478604
Nah, Vox being the most superchatted vtuber of 2022 mindbroke him. Maybe this time they'll get their Luxiem!

>>40478708
Being a Holo girl. These guys still have corpo backing, but it isn't an instant 100k free subs.

>>40478760
Yes, I thought that was implied already

>>40478708
you'd fare better being a male vtuber in niji than you'll ever be in homostars. both vesper and magni can easily fill in the niche of "brotubers" and can have double the numbers they have right now and more sc earnings. plus they can be more unhinged as they can be and choose not to do all the bfe, as vox and hex already got those.

>>40478797
Unfortunately, too late for that. Rrats here already indicate that those new four additions to tempus ain't anything impressive like vesper-tier or maglord-tier on their PLs. But we'll see if those are confirmed or are true tomorrow.

>>40478708
That isn't true for nijiEN. Being a girl is a debuff there. I don't see why you need men to dominate every corpo. If it works for hololive leave it be.

>>40479002
Character designs and tropes from a subculture targeted at an overwhelmingly male-dominated demographic for decades get massively more traction than their opposite number? Say it ain't so. Meanwhile 99 out of 100 of the top streamers are male.
It's like a game developer finding it unfair that women overwhelmingly prefer to play Bejeweled mobile clones over his highly developed RTS he built specifically to pander to them.

>>40438439
they look like an AI created their designs, sorry at who ever the fuck the artists are but they seem uninspriring.

>>40477281
Western woman can be Idol, they can try but it never works.
With small corpos I can at least see the talents try and push themselves to become better instead of falling into complacency and laziness

>>40478708
NijiEN males are doing fine. Vox is doing better than the girls even. NijiJP has a bunch of successful males.

Holostars and Tempus are the Subway Pizza of V-tubers. They're actually fine but not why most people are there.

>>40479204
Even then, the guys from holostars still get more hate generally in both branches. In jp, they're practically "who" on the scene except for a few outliers like roberu or aruran, and even then there relevance is limited mostly on collabs from other hololive girls or other niji livers or indies like tamaki. Niji girls don't get as much hate granted some niji jp girls are wild and don't care about unicorns as much. They'll probably even molest their chat first than the other way around. you have the usual hate for male/female collabs and from there, it would just die down a few weeks and be used as a shitpost every now and then, while being a nothinburger to normalfags and casuals which makes up majority of the subs. ok I'm done with my schizo rant, time to take some meds.

>>40456457
Their audience doesn't exist inside Hololive.

>>40478708
Anime girls are cute and/or hot, faggots are faggots on all mediums

>>40479479
You also have successful females in the jp branch as well like Mito, Lize, Ars, Ange and even Salami.

EN girls with the most likelihood to be a much greater success further down the road would probably be selen, pomu, maybe elira and enna, and the new jp girls melo and koto who are getting a lot of attention from the jp side recently. not even previous female gens from en got this much attention. it's mostly from their collabs with senpais, but it somehow got jp forums to also talk about them as well, which probably explains their current growth.

>>40474066
you're talking about tempus part 1 right? Absolutely the avatars were so fucking goofy that they werent seen as threatening. Then they had to straight up collab with Kronii and Amelia just had to do the regis thing and they were threats again

>>40476848
seek mental counseling for your illness

>>40478708
that's how the market works, nijisanji ruled mixed interactions between boys and girls so hololive decided to focus just on their girls, the fact that EN management is trying to become some soft nijisanji will just end up making the EN girls lose to some female focuses indie group in the long run

>>40478708
Nijisanji made a name for itself with its mixed gender collabs and gens. Anyone else trying to replicate this will just look like a knock off, similar to when all the small corpos were trying to copy Hololive.

>>40470551
thus proving nijis are literally just cuckolds. Amazing logic there fucking retard

>>40438439
You just reminded me to give them a sub, thanks kind anon!

>>40470551
Ok, I’m glad you are happy. Now can you leave my IRyS alone? Ennacuck

>>40481161
>Please anon. they need all the subs they can get at this point.

>>40438439
Selling a product without demand.

>>40461132
I hope you get through random Anon, I definitely would keep applying with that much motivation if only I could stream, but i will be rooting for you instead

>>40438439
they haven't debuted yet

>>40485035
Thank you so much.
For me I grew up in Japan but I was a military brat and for a country boy getting in contact with Japanese is VERY hard. I'm going to keep trying. It's not just the job. I want to see my childhood home again, and the easiest way to do that at this point is to go to Japan for recording live 3d at a concert. I can just take a detour in the interim.
There's a method to the madness. I'm not going to waste a slot but I am going to have a very Western approach to things in an Eastern company.
Might be good for them to change it up. It's their experimental branch after all, so they say.
(Ty everyone btw)

>>40438439
Even some IdolENs had more subs by this point

Sandwiching their debut somewhere in the middle of Ame's birthday, the MK tournament and Ina's return probably isn't helping. Might have been better to wait for more of a dry spell when there aren't 15 more interesting things to talk about.

i just realized they don't have a group collab scheduled and two members have premieres happening instead, so are they not even going to do one? Even more reason to assume this gen is going to do worse than before, there's already no bond between the members...

>>40438481
fpbp
I followed the first Tempus debuts because it was new. Now I know what to expect and I know it's not for me.

>>40491472
>I followed the first Tempus debuts because it was new
> I know it's not for me.
so you're just a dead sub. opinion discard.

>>40474134
>>40473493
Mag meme was introduced by Cover with the complicity of the Mods here

>>40491725
More like Tempus discard lol lmao

>>40438439
Designs look much better than first gen, but I was willing to give stars en a chance the first time and it was too much crossover with the girls instead of just watching bros hang out. That and the fact that they are pushing this out before another girl gen, I'm just going to not watch and hope it flops.

>>40492117
If RM rrats are true then at least half of them are going to be trying to aim for women either by being a 'bratty' boy or by straight up being a Hex/Vox knock-off, and a third member might attract women by virtue of being a buff guy with a nice voice.

So there is the outside chance that they'll tap into NijiEN's western woman demographic. The problem is that Holostars' male fanbase are all after these mythical 'Brotubers' that Cover and Calli promised they would be, so 3/4 not having them in mind runs the risk of upsetting the current fanbase in the hopes they replace them with Niji fans, and I don't think that's a gamble I'd take.

>>40493346
I think the shota won't be aiming for just a female fanbase, if its who I've been looking into.

>>40493346
I would be fine with that honestly, my main hope with new guys is that they have enough members that work well with each other and have interesting dynamics without having to deal with drama of mixing live and stars together

>>40455901
Axel has talked about this, it's the JP management higher ups same management that has their holostars at 3 views wanting to tell the EN boys what the fuck to do like wanting them to spam Apex 24/7, Cover just has retarded management all around.

Wave 1 tempus wore out their welcome

>>40494064
>Wave

>>40495206
The branding is so bad. What are we supposed to call them? Tempus 1 and Tempus 2? Tempus First Half and Tempus Second Half?

This is honestly too fast, no one asked for this. Cover should've let the boys shine instead of adding in fujobait

>>40493606
Ok but honest question: Who was aiming for the female fanbase from the first wave? Magni and Vesper have no sex appeal so they are DOA in that regard. Axel doesn't do any female focused content so that leaves Altare maybe?

>>40493887
>Live and Stars
Why are Holostars fans like this?

>>40496013
>Who was aiming for the female fanbase from the first wave?
none of them. they kept pushing "brotuber" because cover was too scared to aim for the female fanbase. they thought they could be harmless enough by forcing so many collabs with the girls early on. if they were actually pushing for one of them to aim for the female fanbase they would have kept him separate to cultivate his own audience.

>>40489846
I kind of suspect they were meant to debut sooner but Vesper's suspension fucked them over

>>40496013
Didn't you hear? All the girls with daddy issues who've read vampire romance in highschool are into Vesper.

>>40476678
Good. I don't want EN3 at this point. I want this entire branch to crash and burn, entirely because of poor management. I want to see Omega suffer. Fuck you. Maybe once everyone's 2views and the management's all fired, Yagoo can come crawling back to us, begging for more views with EN3.

>>40496196
>they were meant to debut sooner but Vesper's suspension fucked them over
no. they were meant to debut later. but vesper acting out and getting suspended scared cover. they were afraid of half of their boys going rouge and subtweeting on their past live accounts. that's why they rushed the new 4 boys. vesper can now throw all the fits he wants and it's less disruptive now that there are more boys.

>>40496132
The problem with Cover trying to push brotuber is the culture divide. Tempus might be brotubers...for Japan. You're not trying to appeal to Japan with the EN branch. It's even worse if Japan HQ is trying to direct the EN side for the same reason.
It's like they forget there's a big world outside of the JP bubble.

>>40456039

>"Why Yes, I do love to sip my Cum in Wine Glass how could you tell?"

>>40438439
Bad timing and nobody wanted males in Holo EN.
Stars was never popular, even the JP ones

>>40496412
>It's even worse if Japan HQ is trying to direct the EN side for the same reason.
this. this is the reason why starsen are failing in the west. they don't know what works here and are pushing japanese brotuber ideals onto the boys. at this point it's too late for tempus1. they will never recover from this even if they are allowed to change and do what works in the west.

>>40478708
Of fucking course, most people are in this hobby to watch cute girls playing videogames and being cute. Not only do men have penises, but they also have yaoi-tier designs that no heterosexual man would want to see.

>>40496730
what do dudes want to see in other dudes?
just weirdo looking designs?

>>40496946
Faceless fat men

>>40496132
Where did they get the idea that people were into that though? If I wanted a "bro" experience I would watch regular fucking youtube like vinesauce oneyplays northernlion etc.

>>40496988
based

>>40496946
I used to like Aruran before he became a generic NTR dude

>>40496989
some internal market strategy team made up of older japanese men

>>40464506
I feel like the western vtuber world would have a meltdown if someone like Chaika debuted on Holostars or Nijisanji desu.
The western hemisphere in 2023 can't handle Okama-tier designs

>>40497302
>The western hemisphere in 2023 can't handle Okama-tier designs
it would fail because it's not marketable in the west

>>40496132
girls are watching and thirting overf fucking markiplier and jerma and you think they want fujobait, you're joking

>>40497358
You'd also be inviting the worst type of nonsensical meaningless gender debates to it

>>40496298
Are we watching the same guy? Dude has the energy of a childless millennial uncle. How would that fantasy even go?
>Yeah babe... wanna paint some warhammer miniatures with me?
>I got some new computer parts... Wanna help me unbox them?

>>40497570
Henry Cavill does both and he's Chad Thundercock.
Having nerdy hobbies is fine if you're funny, nice and hot

>>40496544
>do what works in the west
Give me one example of a male vtuber with a large western audience

>>40499799
kenji

>>40497570
Yeah, I would agree he appeals more to a male audience just because hes relatable. I will sometimes check him out during his early morning streams. no interest at all in the rest of them though.

>>40438439
Didn't Laplus have like 280k or some shit before she even debuted?

>>40501568
Yea and look what happened to her. These sub counts are actually a great omen, tempoop will rule EN vtubing forever incel

>>40499799
shoto

>>40501614
With all of their 20 CCV.

>>40496322
yeah two more weeks right anon?

>>40501786
If only. But I'll be satisfied with a slow and agonizing death instead.
>this captcha
wat

>>40495206
So hololive myth and hololive council, okay

Holostars tempus and holostars... tempus+?

>>40503319
tempiss and tempoop

>>40503592
You must like scat very much... not kink shaming or anything

How many subs did Tempus 1 have before their debut? Weren't they twice the size WITH culls by this point?

It must suck that despite any talent you may have people will shit on you just for being a guy and no amount of hard work and dedication will fix that. That's what you get for applying to stars.

this thread is menhera