/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>40405252
Dude someone just overthrow Hololive. Their low effort multi million worth monopoly on vtubing is fucking gross.

>>40405252
Hololive has lost the Mandate of Heaven, soon a new corp shall take the Mandate, and restore prosperity.

Oceane and Aletta are some of their biggest streamers and they are honestly unwatchable.
Go and give them a chance and you will see why.
You literally have to be braindead to enjoy that shit.

>>40405920
I only pop on Oceane ASMR as I get to bed.

>>40405920
The fact that they treat their viewers with respect makes them superior to more than half of HoloEN

>>40406175
Exactly.
Half of HoloEN hates their job and hates their fans. Idk how Kronii, Ina, Calli and Ame still have people showing up and dropping supas.
They treat their chat like shit. And sometimes straight up insult them. They think their fans are below them too.

>>40405252
I used to watch them but GFE isn't my thing, and /pkg/ became fucking garbage; it wasn't fun discussing them on this board anymore so I stopped.

>>40405252
Who is the green motherfucker? is that the one with the boyfriend yab?

>>40406304
Niggs have a femdom fetish ngl ngl

>>40405920
I'm throwing away my headphones the next time I hear one more cheeken boirger.

>>40406327
Only Nene, Oceane and Lua are hardcore GFE. The rest of the girls have a different variety of content>>40406482

>>40406327
>is that the one with the boyfriend yab?
There is no such thing

>>40406327
Only Nene, Oceane and Lua are hardcore GFE. The rest of the girls have a different variety of content

>>40406395
>is that the one with the boyfriend yab?
There is no such thing

>>40405920
>dude I don't like 2 of the 12 talents!
Keep me updated, anon, this is very important information to me

>>40405252
Stream hours mean practically nothing because Cover operates on an entirely different level here. Holos are far more than just streamers, they're idols, icons and characters within the Hololive franchise. You're suppose to follow them the way a Touhou fan would follow their favorite touhou. Holos provide a wealth of secondary content beyond just streams, in fact sometimes eating into their stream hours because they end up being so busy behind the scenes.

>>40406904
Kawaii is an idol company, their gens 1 and 2 are going to have 3d debuts soon, with a concert sometime in may/june

>>40406904
things hololive fans tell themselves to cope

>>40406904
This is bait, don't take it seriously because it isn't serious

>>40406904
More than half of the Kawaii girls have more than one job to support themselves. That excuse makes no sense. Also, many HoloEN members don't behave like idols and hate idol culture

>>40405920
Agreed I'm not a fan but some of the others are pretty good still
Try Nene, Sava and Nami, there's something for everyone in there

>>40405252
Isn't that the company where you can literally pay to be a mod?

>>40407356
No, you can't.
You can pay for some huge rewards on special occasions though.

>>40407356
Shee's mod was only supposed to be a temp mod since there was a lot spam bots at the time, but immediately afterwards he donated 1k USD to stay as a mod

>>40405252
literally who and what?

>>40407431
Didn't management removed him from the mod position recently?

>>40407495
They threw him on a kayfabe account because people kept pointing this out /here/

>>40406904
>Holos provide a wealth of secondary content beyond just streams,
HAhahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahahahahaahahhaa

>>40406904
I don't care anymore, and because of that I cancelled my membership. I'll start cancelling my subs soon too, at this rate. Hololive has lost its mandate. They've gotten lazy and arrogant, and are allowing Discord faggots to control their fucking Reddit moderator.
Their management needs to be taken behind the woodshed and shot.

>>40407546
True.
Although I’d only say for EN. The JP branch is still amazing.
Really don’t know what Yagoo is doing letting EN fall apart like this.

>>40407645
Too pussy to fire Mori Bae and the SJW management.

>>40405252
Stop creating conflict between HoloEN and Kawaii. All the girls are Holofags and were inspired to become Vtubers because of Hololive

>>40407645
Upper JP management is tolerating this shit and doesn't know or doesn't care how pissed off people are getting. When even the fucking corporate echo chamber is beginning to revolt, you know you really have a problem.

>>40406904
>idols,
Reiterating EN hates idol culture, Mori and Kroni said so on stream. EN is simply not Hololive, it's Omegay's lore Gods vanity project. You may still like it but that's simply not Hololive you're watching.

>>40407826
If they keep up their work ethic and know what they're doing, they might surpass HoloEN one day. It's fucking stagnant and will remain stagnant at this rate.

>>40406904
Most Touhous appear once and you never see them again.

>>40407907
I feel like Yagoo gave the EN management the freedom of the ID branch, not realizing how much more popular and powerful the international English speaking branch is.

He’s letting a retard fly the Boeing 747. This isn’t the toy plane ID flys around. Wtf is he doing.

>>40407907
>EN is simply not hololive
True, but on top of the JP hololive is not an idol group. They have individual talents who may call themselves idols. Nowhere on the hololive corpo website do they refer to hololive as an 'idol group.' The language is always "our talents" or "the all-girl team" but never "our idols"

>>40407922
We're all hoping they will, what's the audience of EN? Nijisanji but way more restricted? Twitter troons who hate anime incels and idols?

>>40408004
Go back, homobeggar

>>40406904
>You're suppose to follow them the way a Touhou fan would follow their favorite touhou.
As a Medicine Melancholy fan you can take that bullshit opinion and fucking shove it.

>>40408004
We were baited here with the clip of Yagoo saying his dream was to create an idol group similar to AKB48. Despite the overwhelming western positive reaction Omegay decided nobody wanted idol stuff and pushed his vanity fanfics.

>>40408004
Stop it.
This argument is tired and blatantly false.

The festivals and concerts that take months of training, fitness, and choreography lessons. The tens of thousands of dollars invested. The massive productions. The contacts with major record labels.

Hololive is 100% an idol company.
Even the EN members confirmed in the beginning that EN was more entertainment compared to the JP branch being more Idol. And most of the JP girls wouldn’t let you get away with saying they aren’t idols.

>>40408195
>This argument is tired and blatantly false.
Very easy to prove this. Go find a hololive corpo doc that refers to hololive as an idol group. Should be a breeze with all that idol stuff they do.

If you have trouble... why do you think you can't find that language? it's because they aren't calling themselves an idol group ON PURPOSE

>>40408250
What kills me is that western virtual idols weren't even given a chance. They decided off the bat it couldn't work despite what Kpop stans and animefags said.

>>40408250
Doesn't matter what they cal themselves officially, they have Oshi gachi culture, they are Idols.

>>40408375
That also looks bad for tempus, they could leech off the kpop boy's popularity. They have no identity.

>>40408375
So Cover neeeeever calls themselves an idol company and you're holding them to the standard of one... why? Look, any individual Holo can been idol if she so wants to be one, but that doesn't make Hololive an idol group... it's just not. Hell, a shit ton of JP talents call themselves NOT idols, are they not part of hololive then?

>>40408250
https://youtube.com/watch?v=s_uiT5C8BjQ
3:53
>Hololive IDOL PROJECT

>>40405252
>Literal who nobody corp streams more than than largest Vtubing company.
How.

>>40408510
>project
thanks for proving the point
I asked where they called themselves an idol company... would an idol company create a single different thing and call it separately idol project?
any INDIVIDUAL talent may call themselves an idol but hololive never calls itself an idol company
>inb4 goalposts
No, I specifically asked for references to hololive as an idol company... that thing you keep claiming is so easy to find

>>40408535
I would say it's because they need to, but a few of them have no reason to stream as much as they do, they do it because they like it. Nene and Lua could get by streaming half as much.

>>40408510
bro nobody said they banned the word idol, just that hololive never refers to the COMPANY as an idol company. How are you missing this.

>>40408506
Doesn't matter what they called, EN is not Hololive. It's Omegay's vanity project. It is not Hololive you are watching and we came clear about that.

>>40408658
Great mental gymnastics

>>40408701
you got lost i nthe replies. I agree with you, I never said EN was held to that standard or even relevant. This whole part of replies was focused on JPs you just got lost

>>40408714
still waiting on literally any corpo document that calls them an "idol company" instead of having tiny little idol components... your claim that it exists, not imin

>>40406175
Are you a regular viewer?

>>40408762
Hololive can call themselves whatever because that's not Omegay's vanity project which is what we are watching here. We are watching Omegay's vanity project about gender equality and owning the incels and that's not Hololive.

>>40408682
>they do it because they like it
I am envious...

>>40408036
Honestly. HoloEN is unfortunately looking like a failed experiment. I wanted them to succeed, but they don't seem to want to do what it takes and it's probably due in part to grossly incompetent management that needs to be beaten and run out of town.

>>40408818
They should really rebrand into a antediluvian Gods lore that play minecraft company because EN is not Hololive.

>>40408698
>>40408818
>are required to take singing and dancing lessons
>every year they hold 3D concerts to celebrate their members' birthdays and sell merch
>all their members participate in HoloFES and other concerts on special dates
Of course they are not idols rumao

>>40408818
They should really rebrand into a antediluvian Gods that play minecraft lore company because EN is not Hololive.

>>40408838
Yes, I watch HoloJP and Kawaii

>>40405424
fpbp

>>40406304
holy catalog threads

>>40405252
why would HoloEN even stream? they're rich

>>40409517
Did he lie?

>>40409097
SOME girls dance, SOME girls sing, SOME girls do concerts. SOME girls call themselves idols. That doesn't make hololive an "idol company." Alphabet owns google, but only retards would say Alphabet is a "search company"

>>40409801
That's your opinion, and it's irrelevant.

>>40409839
my opinion could easily be disproven by showing me where hololive called itself an idol company like other idol companies do

>>40409884
EN is not Hololive. This is a thread about Omegay's lore project aka EN.

>>40409839
bruh "some JPs call themselves idols" is not an opinion. go refresh your understanding of an opinion on the pbs site

>>40405252
The only good one is Sava.

>>40409801
>>40409884
All the girls sing, dance, and perform concerts. Cry more, homobeggar

>>40409961
read the goddamn reply chain, this conversation WAS JP specific on purpose to prove it's not an EN specific phenomenon you just lost the plot

>>40410004
so do non-idol pop groups lol. do you not know what an idol is?

>>40409986
tl;dr on her? I only watch Nene

>>40407069
Why? Are they a black company?

>>40410004
>All the girls sing, dance, and perform concerts
LOOK AT MY IDOLS

>>40410187
was the green one always brown? wtf

>>40410048
If we are talking about Hololive we need to make another thread because this thread is about Omega's project aka EN aka not Hololive.

>>40410155
No, most of the talents have a second job because their audience is not big enough to stream full-time. Only Nene, Aletta and Oceane are exclusively dedicated to streams

It's literally not fair that Hololive gets so much support.

>ctrl+f my kawaii oshi
>0 result
good good, the more she's below the radar of retarded refugees the better

>>40405252
Don’t care not watching your shitty small corpo specifically because you made this obnoxious beggar thread.

Sage>>40407069
Define idol culture. Oh wait you can’t because you know Jack and shit about idols you just watched Love Live once.

Enjoy Tempiss 2

>>40411485
The way I understand idol is just having common sense to stay out of scandals. The fans always push for moral degradation traps because they want to watch a public meltdown dumpster fire and it's up to the girl to avoid taking the bait.

>>40407826
>All the girls are Holofags and were inspired to become Vtubers because of Hololive
Why do holobronies lie like this? They like Holo but a good amount like Niji or were unfamiliar with vtubers

>>40412269
It's easier to watch a bunch of clips and call yourself a fan than look like a trend chaser.

>>40410155
>>40410582
this and some actually just do it for fun not as a job which makes it better desu

>>40410582
I must ask, are any of them office ladies?

>>40413653
Lua and Shee

>>40413889
This is great news! When I asked, I was dearly hoping she would be one of the answers. I am very happy now.

>>40414638
Lua is pure sex

Guys just watch Phase Connect (and Idol?), Kawaii is unwatchable

>>40414788
Gotta make your own bait thread.

>>40414837
It's not even bait, it's just the truth.

>>40405252
I kneel

Bragging about stream hours when nobody watches them is some weird type of cope.

>>40415023
Well he did leave out JP and ID also for a reason to fit their narrative. Also JP had mandated singing and dancing practice and shit as well. Pretty sure Koyo on some kind of drugs though.

>>40415023
Even weirder to cherry pick holoEN's schedule when a chunk of those streams are 3-5 man offcollabs

>>40405424
Don't worry; Hololive will remove itself from the EN market through its poor business decisions.

>>40415331
>Hololive will remove itself from the EN market through its poor business decisions.
Come anon, you don't really believe that

>>40415191
1869 ÷ 52 weeks puts her under a normal 40 hour work week. Streaming isn't real work which makes EN's output more laughable.

>>40415209
>cherrypick
it's the current week, moron. how is that cherrypicking. It's a fair analysis of their current streaming offerings. Either cope smarter or cope somewhere else.

>>40406904
With the JPs, yes. With the ENs? Hard cope

>>40415510
>Streaming isn't real work
Ogey then way place some much importance on it if you don't really value you it?

>>40415510
Why do people say this when streams take wet up, thoughts a such to do. Also like I said JP girls do mandate dance and singing shit as well. Use your brain anon.

>>40415023
This is a comparison of the company's offerings, not their performance. This is simply a snapshot of what you can currently get this week. How are you retards turning this into /#/ when it's clearly just illustrating what's available for each corpo

>>40415510
>normal 40 hour work week
>Streaming set up's and a bunch of busy work
>Singing and dancing practice for JP
>Having to think of what to do and setting up schedules
>Promotions and other things like that
>Koyo even does her news thing each week that I think would take time to do
Not even to go into collabs are not counted as hours there. What in the fuck are you on about?

>>40415191
I left HoloJP out because I like them. The first Vtubers debut that I watched was Gen5 and Nene is my JP oshi

>>40415633
>when streams take wet up, thoughts a such to do
Are you having a stroke?

>>40415549
It's a cherry pick cuz it relies squishing 3 of holoEN streamers into a single to slot to make their total schedule seem more sparse
It's not really typical for several Holos to be living together and using the same setup, so presenting this like it represents the norm is just OP removing context to stack the deck in Kawaii's favor

>>40415739
I guess I work 70 hour weeks if I am allowed to include the time I spend deciding what video game I should play.

>>40415925
Nice bait, don't reply to me again unless you can get something better .

>>40415869
Doesn't matter if it is a collab or solo stream, their schedule is sparse.

>>40415982
Sorry, I forgot to include the time I post on /vt/ which is promotion for myself and all the "busy" work included in setting up my computer 90-hour work week tires me out.

>>40416133
I said get something better, come on now you shitpost better then that.

>>40416201
It is a shitposting thread what else do you want me to do? I don't even know who is in the OP I just wanted to call Hololive EN lazy.

>>40415869
I don't understand your point, is this or is this not the number of streams a person could have watched? The fact that there were 3 anime girls at the off collab doesn't change it's still only one stream I can watch.

>>40416338
I mean you can make better bait shitposts then that, like come on man.

>>40415985
>Purposely removing the context that 3 streamers who typically have their own individual set schedules in different timeslots, are for a short period of time in an untypical manner, forced to stream all together, doesn't matter
Ok I didn't realize you were retarded, my bad. I'll let you continue snorting glue and eating crayons in private

>>40416390
My point still stands, koyori is one of the good ones, but plenty of JP and EN just put in the least amount of effort as possible for streaming.

>>40415460
If they barely stream and the company can't unfuck its management, they will be replaced in the market by a company that does not have these problems. It may take an additional year or two, but Cover is doing terribly with PR in EN-land. Too many people are talking about fundamental issues with their current business model with regard to the audience they have, compared to the audience they're chasing... on their own official forum.
Companies ruin their reputations and finances all the time chasing "potential" audiences and profit because some stupid fucking pencil-pusher who's totally unqualified to understand the big picture convinces the CEO that this is just a fantastic idea that couldn't possibly backfire.

>>40405252
you're doing good job, anon. keep shilling them. hololive is crumbling right now, people are looking for alternatives, there is no better time to attract new fans than this.

holobronies seething no wonder niji is beating you now

>>40416857
>Niji only wins when Holo isn't trying.
Glad you said it yourself.

>>40416943
Not trying and letting people wander around and find others to entertain them isn't a good thing. I wouldn't be surprised that many corpos are doing better due to Holo EN fumbling hard.

>>40405252
I already have a hard time keeping up with HoloEN in my free time, so I don't really care if Projection Cowie or whatever streams more.

https://youtube.com/shorts/mrWykH91Ves
Nene using her new 3D model to dance I'm Your Treasure Box by Marine. I love HoloJP and Kawaii

>>40405739
>a new corp shall take the Mandate, and restore prosperity.
It will be the Koreans. Theyll make an agency that surpasses them

>>40405424
They don't have a monopoly. They have a duopoly on the industry with Nijisanji.