/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

nice try homoshitter

>>40391986
Western vtuber numbers were at their peak across the board when Tempiss debuted. It has been all downhill after August.

>>40392055
T. Cuckbeat

that's what you get for being an EOP mong

>>40392297
Deadbeats support Tempus

Hololive Mario Kart Tournament deflection thread

>>40391986
Although I think Tempus did expose these things. A lot of anons were using “but no male collabs” as cope, and this took that away from them. Without the rose-colored glasses, HoloEN really is…nothing much. Anything appealing about them is firmly in the past tense.

>>40392297
I kekd so fucking hard.

>>40392297
>A big fan of the deadbeats expression
WDSDIB

>>40392297
This was the start of EN collapse. When they think they can shit on their fans

>>40392297
sad falseflagger cant even figure out who actually hates who

>Kronii passive aggresive attitude towards Hololive management

This is based tho

>>40392297
Fucking KEK

>>40391986
>>40392183
>>40393810
the true collapse of holoEN happened in september 2020
everything has been downhill from then

>>40392964
So sad. After interacting with men they have no other value for viewers to keep watching them.

>>40393810
>anti
>fan
funny

>>40395282
fatori copeiopee

>>40395527
the ironic self own nijitard

>>40391986
>>40391986
You’re a fucking retard.
- Gura and IRyS health breaks due to overwork and burnout because there’s only 10 fucking girls supporting the whole branch
- Tempus has leeched all of the resources and attention from EN management for the entire last year, resulting in neglect of the female branch
- Bad members like Kronii and Mori wouldn’t be a problem if better talents were coming in with new gens
- It’s been 17 fucking months since an EN debut

>>40391986
>all of this started happening when Tempus was first announced
whats up with that?

Retards may not like to admit, but the decline of HoloEN (and vtubers in general in the west) happened when the COVID restrictions were lifted and everyone wasn't stuck in their homes anymore

>>40395590
>Thread reader
Do your reps

>>40397146
No that’s untrue.
Streaming has been growing for the last 20 years and isn’t going to stop.
Vtubing and animated models were just a next step.
Streaming isn’t going anywhere.

>>40395688
Are you ESL, or do you just lack basic reading comprehension?

>>40393810
This and Ina's rant.

>>40395590
Anon, she wasn't shitting on the artist who made it, she was ridiculing her own fans

>>40391986
Yeah, no. If you were living under a rock all this time, the holoEN fans are now fighting among each other, people that liked the way things were and homobeggar niggers like you trying to make the sudden influx of males in EN seem like a good thing. This entire interest/hobby has always been majority male for the most part, male vtubers only have disgusting roasties, actual gays, or comtrarian reddit retards like you probably as their fans, none of the men who are fans of just the girls are ever going to consider watching a male vtuber.

>>40391986
This is true. The months before Tempus were very grim and there really was nothing interesting happening in HoloEN

>>40397146
>>40391986
In a way. It started earier for all holos though. In case of ENs, they lost at least 1/3 of their initial audience by the end of their first winter. Kiara was getting easily 10+K and gura 30-50K until late winter back then, by the end of winter it was 2/3 of that. Same for JP holos (Pekora was getting daily 40+K people to tune in live during Nov and Dec), but the main difference is that larger events or even just collabs still pulled the same large crowds as they did during their peak i.e after EN debut and a flux of new audience from pre-EN memes. JP fans have declined a bit, but I'd say they didn't lose interest, it's just that they became busier after the last covid wave in early 21. By the end of summer of 21, they lost even more audience, JPs as well a bit, but mostly ENs.
Then the third wave of audience dropping out was just a long period of first half of 2022. They've been streaming less and less, there's been more and more comments of people not appreciating being ignored by the streamers they liked before etc. Basically what I'm trying to say is that it's been a long process that started even before covid pretty much ended and the last blow was girls not doing their jobs decently. It doesn't help that there's been a surge of indies in the last half a year that try out new games and stuff while holos (ENs at least) still do the same things over and over again. Homos debuting means nothing compared to all of the above. Some people get busier, some lose interest, some start watching someone else and some just get fed up with girls straight up just peacing out after collecting all the cash and time that audience has invested into them. Not all of them, but at least a half and that's more than enough.

>>40399639
I'm not reading that

I remember last summer we had sort of a big thread about how there was a possible chance EN and other parts of Hololive were going to start collapsing because of shit with the management.
>management won't let them do a lot of the games or collabs they're interested in
>the few games or collabs they can partake in take forever for management to approve of if it's not a company giving promotional permission
>management isn't good in reeling in the less motivated girls
>management isn't great at reading the audience

>>40400215
Whoops, posted too early.
I was going to end it by saying that these type of conditions don't really excuse what's been going on with Myth lately but rather show what could be the reason why they don't feel as invested.

just stream

and this would have never been a problem

>>40399753
phonenigger detected, this is two paragraphs on a laptop display and one paragraph on a desktop monitor

god I hate phoneniggers

>>40399753
READ NIGGA READ

>>40400215
The incompetence of the EN management has been apparent for a very long time now.

I am actually astounded that there are still people here who don’t see that. Or don’t understand that it is EN’s number one problem.

>>40400215
management in general for EN has been awful. JP has some problems but some have eased up, but permissions are still a problem (why should they, its free fucking advertising)

but EN has the dumbest motherfuckers on earth.

>>40400999
Management sucks but I don't see how it's preventing them from streaming, which is the main problem

>>40401071
laziness. light a fire under their asses.

>>40397273
Streaming didn't just blow up overnight like how HoloEN did when they first came. Over time with Covid restriction lifted and Vtubers in general just not being normal like how it is in Japan the novelty has kind of worn off and it's now just correcting itself.

It is obvious that management is the dead weight of holoen, that literally a talent has had to do your job on many occasions is not a good sign.

>>40393966
I will never not support employees sowing managerial dissent. Fuck middle managers

>>40401560
Also this, though tbf infinite growth is a myth and a meme. Expansion is always followed by contraction, or correction. Eventually the curve will flip again and growth will appear explosive. It's been this way since forever. Those that weather the storm will experience the benefits of a hype cycle again.

>>40401071
While I don't agree with laziness why even put effort when the people who should help you with the bureaucratic shit refuse to do their jobs? EN almost lost the ability to sing western songs if it wasn't for the ID management saving their asses, management is completely incompetent at getting permissions even for western games to the point that Gura just looks at what Kaela is streaming to know which games they have permissions and they possibly suspended one of their new darlings because he dared to complain about that, there's no push for 3D showcases for Myth and debuts for CouncilRyS and the latter will probably have the same treatment of showing their models on the paid part of HoloFes and, if they're lucky, a 3D stream in the future not using Cover's equipment. Again, the laziness is not 100% fault from management but you can't deny they have a big part on it, and if they didn't want the talents to not stream for weeks on end they would do something about it, but for some reason they're fine with it.

>>40401560
Not true.
Steaming in general has been growing for 20 years. And having the ability to use an avatar is something that people really like. It’s not as commonplace as in Japan, but it is absolutely not slowing down. It is going to continue to grow as a percentage of overall streaming.

>>40401560
>All Western Small Corpos Inclining
>HoloEN declining

Your girls are shit, and don’t stream once they saw the passive income coming from their ATM fanbase.
These aren’t idols, they’re barely entertainers.
Nice how the top HoloEN makes Ayame look like Koyori.

>>40402804
>EN almost lost the ability to sing western songs if it wasn't for the ID management saving their asses, management is completely incompetent at getting permissions even for western games to the point that Gura just looks at what Kaela is streaming to know which games they have permissions and they possibly suspended one of their new darlings because he dared to complain about that, there's no push for 3D showcases for Myth and debuts for CouncilRyS and the latter will probably have the same treatment of showing their models on the paid part of HoloFes and, if they're lucky, a 3D stream in the future not using Cover's equipment.
does management also not realize that they need to supply them?
>manager i wanna play [insert game]
>"nah we don't got shit"
>manager i wanna sing a song
>"nah, we don't got the rights for this song, fuck you!"
>manager I want to have a chat stream
>"no mention of feet lmao!"

>>40403308
Nobody fucking know what the fuck goes in the heads of the EN management. They even had trouble getting permissions for Powerwash Sim, when Roberu and a couple of JP members were playing it for weeks already. It's almost like they don't want to do their jobs.

>>40403561
how the fuck do you struggle to get POWEWASH SIM permissions? again, why do they hate benefiting the EN branch?

>>40403609
Your guess is as good as mine. My best rrat is that the people hired by Cover early on were only there to make sure the branch had a form of support and expected them to perform only a little better than ID, but when Myth exploded and the branch quickly became the biggest in the entire company the success clouded their judgement and made them believe they were the ones responsible for it, so that's why we have cunts like Omega pushing for retarded lore, EN3 taking an eternity to exist and the lower employees not wanting to do their jobs to the point of telling the talents to take as many breaks as they want. Essentially a bunch of chumps who were supposed to keep things working now believe they're the second coming of Elon Musk.

>>40400215
Those managements? Women.
The top guy was even so much of a loser he RP'd as a tranny.

>>40395811
>Gura and IRyS health breaks due to overwork
JP streams more than these two lazy bitch while having to record offcial programs and attend dance lessons

>>40395811
It’s been 17 months because HoloEN is a lazy shit streamer clique. Cover knows the only way to solve the problem is to way for Myth to graduate this year.
The ONLY GODDAMN TIME these whores streamed consistently was the month before Sana got graduated. That was the only moment they felt a fire under their ass and wanted to protect their jobs.

>>40404714
>That was the only moment they felt a fire under their ass and wanted to protect their jobs.
then i would unironically pressure gura's graduation if she can't stream. chumpedo's might get mad at me, but she better fucking do something if she wants to be in hololive still.

>>40404569
Yeah but JP has over 30 fucking members and constantly has new gens coming in every year.

There are only 10 girls in EN. Fucking TEN. 8 without Ina and Gura.
There are as many Homos now as there are EN girls.
Can you fucking believe that?

>>40404714
Oh yeah, Cover is 100% delaying EN3 to punish those lazy whores while ignoring how all of them streaming a fourth of what Tempus does can get at minimum twice the amount of money. Sanest Coverdrone in this mental asylum, Jesus fucking Christ.

>>40399639
Interesting how the JPs rebounded from the gradual decline and is shooting into new number extremes lately. 100k streams are happening on the JP side every other day now. Meanwhile EN is still plunging further and further. I guess that's what happens when there aren't big events done regularly to keep the excitement rolling, such as concerts, branch-wide collabs/competitions, gameshows, 3D events in general, 3D debuts, or hell, even just new gen debuts. To be fair half of these, particularly those with 3D involved, have the nip border/lockdown autism to blame, but the rest is simply because the small size and sheer inactivity of the branch makes it impractical.

>>40405012
neither of them stream

>>40405531
>Interesting how the JPs rebounded from the gradual decline and is shooting into new number extremes lately
go figure streaming helps you grow

pic very much related

>>40404822
>There are as many Homos now as there are EN girls.
Indisputable truth. The progressives are prioritizing incompetent males over women. Kek.

>>40406077
Is she doing well? I don't look at numbers.

Underperforming males get company priority over women even though they did nothing to deserve that. All thanks to listening to twitter who don't watch this cringe and hate its incel audience.

>>40405531
I think there's still a few collabs that can still be done in HoloEN, but you'd either have to go with 4-5 members tops or reach out to ID/JP because half of HoloEN just doesn't stream consistently, or even so much as tweet.

>>40406281
Yeah, her VODs do fine. She still has a fanbase because she's consistent and keeps at it.

>>40391986
Explain kronii situation pls

>>40406366
Same thing happened with Disney, Hollywood, video games, Marvel, and Star Wars.
I always wonder, at some point does the accountant come in and be like “Uh hey. We’re losing shit tons of money. Maybe stop the woke?”

>>40401071
Bad management leads to lack of motivation which leads to not streaming.
If I’m at work and my management sucks, you bet your ass I’m going to do the bare minimum because I give no fucks about them and even when I want to do work the people in charge of getting me the tools I need refuse to get me the tools I need, so why even bother?

If I’m a streamer and my management requires autistic levels of permissions. But when I ask for permissions they don’t bother even trying to get them. Why would I bother trying to find fun things to do?

>>40406366
>>40406638
men work.

>>40406638
No. They just place the blame on someone and fire a branch or two and keep going.

>>40406537
She gave a condescending parasocial talk to her audience causing her simps to wake the fuck up.

>>40406981
I appreciate the bait but Tempiss need to work A LOT HARDER because they are just as absent as the women. Everyone is out of it at EN.

>>40406924
Management is the #1 issue of the entire EN branch.

The shitposting about “lazy whores” or whatever is getting old. If you actually want this shit fixed, people need to start pointing the finger where it belongs. Omega and his team fucking troons.

Myth has been going full speed for 2 1/2 fucking years with only one new gen coming in to help. 17 months since Council.
100% managements fault.
Not to mention all the other bullshit they pull, like cancelling collabs outside of Hololive and shutting down game ideas.

>>40407015
when did this happen?

>>40407614
some time around september, “do you not have friends of the opposite sex?” is the keyphrase

>>40391986
I don't' think you quite understand, to some people male interaction is literally the dealbreaker while other things are forgiven. I mean, supporting a particular group of random girls on the internet is already fundamentally an irrational thing built on one's love and goodwill towards that thing. You can complain about a bunch of random shit including stream amount, but to some people it has little bearing on how they feel towards their oshi. So cool opinion, but it's not going to change anyone's mind on what is and isn't acceptable to them.

>>40406366
>>40406638
This issue is that the guys still make money just not as much.
But because they stream that smaller amount of money is more consistent.
Therefore unless your in the endless growth stockholder mindset a lower income stable earners can seem preferential over erratic high earners.
The question then becomes if the new gen will split the viewer base in such a way as to make it unprofitable.

when the sponsors dry up, they will dry up all at once. then, the fear will set in.

>>40395811
>Gura
>Overwork
rorurumao
The absolute state of chumkeks
Her health being as strong as a piece of paper is more believeable than overwork.

>>40408373
Anon…
The entire company for 5 years has been 99% focused on female only content. Same is true for EN for the past 2 years before tempus.

The fact that they neglected their highly successful, #1 in the world EN female vtubing group so they could debut a couple of men in hopes of getting some of Vox’s fujo crumbs is just fucking ridiculous.

>>40391986
The male vtubers don't help, yes, (who even asked for them? It certainly wasn't the original fanbase of the girls, and the few vocal minority trannies that were calling for StarsEN on twitter or wherever lol are not actually watching their streams enough to make up for the lost numbers of displeased viewers who mostly just filter out silently. So Tempus probably ends up being an additional net-negative to HoloEN) but the general HoloEN recline had set in long before the males arrived, so they're probably not the simple answer to blame for everything.

I'd take a broader picture view and summarize the general longer term HoloEN recline thus with various points (non-exhaustive, not sorted, feel free to add)

A large part of the viewerbase was never actually committed fans in the first place, but basically just lockdown tourists. Vtubers were at the time the fresh new thing to entertain them while they were bored stuck at home. Now both the lockdowns are gone and vtubers aren't fresh and new anymore, so these people have moved on. Arguably, besides making "number go down", this might not even be a bad thing, regarding the quality of the viewerbase?

For Myth specifically, when they came out they were basically the "only game in town" and audiences had no real alternatives. We don't count Niji's embarrassing first attempt at "EN" (India), and twitch indies were still a minor league wild west wasteland. Holomyth came at a perfect lightning in a bottle moment, being the first serious attempt at a proper EN branch and Hololive was already the most popular corpo for westerners at the time due to the run-up of viral JP sub clips etc.

This, coupled with the aforementioned lockdown buff, meant that HoloMyths numbers in the beginning were probably a bit overstated and didn't actually reflect their actual long-term realistic/"stable" popularity/viability. Case in point, Council came next and couldn't repeat the explosive growth, indicating it wasn't (just) about the qualities about the talents but also extraneous factors involved (lockdown buff, novelty hype, first-mover advantage, etc.). And nowadays, if you are a viewer that still likes vtubers (so not just an above lockdown tourist), but are bored or otherwise dissatisfied with HoloEN, you aren't captive anymore and have much more alternatives to watch and may find other vtubers that better suit your actual tastes.

For example, if you actually like male collabs, you can just go watch the original gendermixing company, Niji, where this is much less controversial. Or if you are in it for the coom and want more raunchier stuff and Holo has become too safe and boring for you, you can go watch twitch indies. Or if you liked the original general Hololive feel, but it has gotten too corporate and impersonal for you and you want a smaller more comfier and intimate atmosphere, you can go watch all the smallcorpos that kinda imitate the Hololive model more or less, but where you actually have a more reasonable chance to get your chat read and interact with the streamer.

The only reason to stick with HoloEN and disregard all the alternatives is a) you are happy customer who is actually satisfied with the product, b) you are a bubbled corpo-drone who knows nothing about vtubing beyond the blue dorito, c) you are a tribalfag with a "yeah HoloEN might be shit, but at least it's not as bad as all the other alternatives!" mindset or d) you are sticking around due to stockholm-syndroming yourself into a parasocial relationship with your particular oshi and think giving it up would be "betraying her". If none of those reasons apply to you, and you're open to shopping around for potentially better alternatives, you have probably dropped HoloEN already or at least don't just watch it exclusively anymore.

Also, a big part of the general HoloEN recline (long before males entered the picture already) was that too many talents feel like they have basically given up on any effort and just go through the motions, minmax and coast along on the brand buff. They aren't hungry and motivated anymore (some arguably never were - this is especially noticeable in the second gen who already knew that Hololive would be a golden ticket and you don't need to put in any effort), and it's hard to stay hungry and not become complacent when fans throw money at you no matter how much (or rather how little) you actually do and basically reward you for just existing. Unless you're especially driven, most talents would just succumb to laziness and no delivery. And for the few talents that don't, Covers retarded management buerocracy does the rest of destroying their motivation.

>ENtards actually on full coping mode
RUMAO

>>40408621
I agree with that.
The point I am contenting is that they are unprofitable, they aren't, they do make money just not the gangbusters amount the girls make.
But now they are here and their actually doing the work so instead of thinking about what could of been we can only think on the future.

>>40409036
I think choosing a 1k view guy with very low profits over a girl who could easily get 10-20k views and nonstop superchats is in itself a loss of money.

Also all of the fans you’re going to lose by debuting two fucking male gens while EN goes without a new group of girls for 17 months. And the fans you lose forcing coed collabs nobody wanted.

There are real losses happening because of this and it makes the business decisions hard to understand.

>>40409218
Real talk I think they wanted to do a 6 member gen and backed out, instead hiring two more people and making a second gen

>>40409389
That's doubling down not backing out. They shouldn't debut a single fucking male.

>>40409218
This is what happened based on evidence:
>Omega is a genderfluid troon
>Omega is in love with himself
>Omega wants to live his dream of fame and influence vicariously through Tempus

I love how that Omega retard is the perfect fucking enemy. Someone should tell /pol/ about this.

>>40391986
Tempiss did make things worse because adding more girls would encourage the existing ones to fix the problems you listed. And adding Tempiss 2 instead of more girls is only going to make them even worse.

>>40409389
I think Omega lined up two gens before the first even debuted because he was so sure they were going to be a Vox level hit.

>>40409389
Backed out from debuting 6 so decided on 8 instead. Wait, what? The two guys they had already hired are so good they picked them over EN3.

No one gives a shit about debuting 6 members. Gamers debuted 3 over a span of months. Irys, Roboco and AZki debuted alone. They should have debuted ZERO males.

IMAGINE IF WE HAD 8 FUCKING GIRLS RIGHT NOW. This excuse that they couldn't have a group of 6 only makes me saltier.

>>40401071
Imagine you're in their place, Imagine you're Gura and after masturbating a lot, all your plans, every single one of your plans is shut down by management. That fun game you want to play on stream? Denied. A cool 3D live full of songs for your fans? Gutted. Merch that your fans would love? Nope.
Literally the only thing you can do is play Minecraft all day and you can't stand Minecraft.
Would you have the motivation to keep going?

>>40410328
Well she could sing and do idol content but EN is above that incel shit.

>>40409218
People keep saying that the guys streaming earn more money than the girls not streaming but love to forget how SCs aren't the only source of money they get. Gura has a huge number of vod views on actual streams, and that racks up a ton of ad sense money passively, not to mention the girls had way more merch and sponsorships than the guys, which is also more money than whatever the hell they're getting. Yes, even the StarsJP guys have a decent influx of money, but that doesn't mean focusing a whole fucking year on them instead of the branch that's actually your bread and butter was a sound idea, and now who the fuck knows what will be extent of the damage this retarded decision will have on the branch. EN3 won't be coming until after mid-March, and that's a hopeful expectation because it's more likely we will only hear about them in fucking June.

>>40410328
>Got perms to every FOTM game, streamed each one time
>Been promising “projects” for TWO YEARS, zero delivery
>Biggest output was a dime a dozen quiz show with incredible scuff

Do you guys even watch the chick you defend mindlessly in these threads?

>>40410395
She’s been carrying the whole branch in her back for 2 and a half fucking years with only one single gen joining to help.
And that gen had lazy Australian nigger who quit and a selfish Canadian whore that rarely streams.

It’s basically 10 people running a 7 day a week operation with no new gens for 2 1/2 years.

>>40410436
The guys are as absent as the girls.

>>40410531
Hiring men the audience is not interested in makes sense because? They couldn't have 6 so they picked more 2? None of this makes sense until you realize it's Omega huffing his own farts thinking he's a brilliant lore writer.

>>40410395
You mean the karaoke streams that were half of her last content before the break for alleged health reasons? Do you not watch streams so much that you can't even click her channel to see how many karaoke streams she did recently?
Thanks to retarded management that does everything for males and nothing for females, Gura's only options before the break were looking for new games the other girls played to stream them as well (Rhythm Sprout's 1 hour demo), try to play a new release they got permissions for in order to shill it (Callisto Protocol), play Minecraft for the billionth time (nope), sing (which she did all the time), or zatsu (which was getting old). If only she had managers capable of helping a content creator create content. What a wild idea.

>>40410688
in his defense, he actually cannot click on her channel and see the karaoke streams because they are gone

>>40410549
I know, and even when they're streaming their output isn't much bigger than the girls who stream. None of these guys will end up with Kaela and Koyori numbers at the end of 2023, but the standards for EN are so low that them streaming more than Gura makes people think they're working hard as fuck.

>>40410688
These people barely watch streams of their own "boys", do you think they know what the other members are doing?

>>40410674
I think he hired all of them at the same time.
He thought his master plan of rivaling Vox and Luxiem was going to work. Although anyone with a double digit IQ could have told him why it wouldn’t.

These fags have probably been waiting 6 months and signed the contract back with Tempus 1.

>>40391986
IRyS has one health break when she caught COViD, retard.

>>40395282

>>40392183

Even if that were true, I'm not saying it is because I haven't checked, if VTubing is down across the board, it's clearly not their fault.

If it it JUST EN Cover that's down, they may be a contributing factor, but we have to look at all things, not just them. The girls have had an absolutely abysmal year in terms of content, backed up by actual facts not just circumstance of "The guys came out at this time."

>Chumbuds actually self deluded themselves to believe Gura is the victim.
She is not even active on Twitter when even mf Ina's twitter is more vivid than Gura's.
Gura is lazy and she barely do big projects
>But Cover...
ALL THE OTHER GIRLS PAID FROM THEIR POCKETS FOR THEIR BIG PROJECTS
If the ID can fund and release songs despite their shit currency so can Gura with a better currency.

>>40412052
Not saying she isn’t being lazy.
But after 2 and a half years off supporting the entire branch and streaming daily, they’re fucking burnt out.

This is when the new gen would come in with their mandatory 4-5 day schedule and take on streaming duties. This is how JP does it.
Then the old gen members decide if they want to stream less or not.

>>40412168
Tempiss was the most poorly handed. They got hurt the most by management incompetency. Neckbeards and purityfags should have had no reason to hate on them if management just released EN3 already.

>>40393966
An employee who ruins a middle manager's day when they are not given what they need to do their job by that manager or are told to do inane bullshit that is not part of the job description, is someone who I will buy a drink.

40412168
>Streaming daily
(Vous)

>>40412168
>But after 2 and a half years off supporting the entire branch and streaming daily, they’re fucking burnt out.
guras "support" of EN is pathetic outside of idol stuff.

>>40403609
>>40403561
>>40403829
Simple. It's fucking sabotage by the same sort of people who are intent on ruining the west of Western entertainment. Death to this scourge on civilization!

>>40412052
>ALL THE OTHER GIRLS PAID FROM THEIR POCKETS FOR THEIR BIG PROJECTS
If this is the case, then why are they even part of a company to begin with?

If they have to do everything themselves, they might as well just go indie.

>>40407015
Most of her simps anyway. Some of her namefaggots are still around slurping up the stools she drops because muh oshi
I dropped her when I found out she was a lesbo

>>40393870
how is he a falseflagger when it is a real post?

>Blaming males for your femoids not streaming
rumao

>>40391986
>thing didn't get bad, they just got worse than bad
this is not the gotcha you think it is

>>40409729
>I think Omega lined up two gens before the first even debuted because he was so sure they were going to be a Vox level hit.

You're giving omegatranny an awful lot of credit.
You think potential profit was the key motivation?

>>40413583
i think he is literally so high on his own farts that he is unaware that his actions are to steer holoEN toward being a piss poor imitation of nijisanji, and that he in fact believes that he has cooked up "really killer dynamics and lore" that will "appeal to the english audience and inject vitality into the brand"

>>40413801
except nobody cares for lore. I can give less of a shit about the chuuni stuff for holoX, I care more about what the girls can do.

>>40406924
Management doesn't seem that terrible if they allow the talents to go on super long hiatuses, sometimes without even so much as a simple tweet for an update. If they were a true black company they'd force talents to stream even if they're sick.
I don't doubt they sucked a ton after a while, but they got Atlus perms and got Gura her Calisto Protocol perms so they can't be that shit anymore.

>>40413874
>except nobody cares for lore.
yeah, no shit. he should have been fired (yagoo: this means made totally jobless, not moved to a different position in the company) between irys and council.

>>40413884
at least they did get atlus, because mori was bitching up a storm in 2021

>>40413974
It was great too since it beat seeing kusoge streams and Atlus Video Game Company was forced to realize that a vidya stream doesn't hurt their sales.

>>40414297
now if only fromsoft could stop caring

>>40410510
>Got perms to every FOTM game, streamed each one time

She streamed RUST, Holocure and I am Fish CONSTANTLY while they were popular. And then other trendy games like Trombone Champ and Madison were short enough to be beaten in 1-2 streams.

>Been promising “projects” for TWO YEARS, zero delivery

Barring karaoke, management sabotages every single music related project of hers to the point where she can't even do a cover song unless it's a collab with someone. And don't even get me started on her original music projects. Over and over she's been complaining about how much management is screwing with that. Like good god It's a miracle Reflect was made at all. And even when it did come out it couldn't even get so much as a lyric video. Just some stupid ass PNG of the single cover.

>Biggest output was a dime a dozen quiz show with incredible scuff

Her biggest output was the 3D concert.

Do you watch the chick you mindlessly whine about?

>>40414784
did everyone forget the 3D concert she also put out?

>>40416341

Just like how everyone forgets about how she's just as tired of management's shit as we are.

Hell, her tweet on THAT account was her giving a warning that if they keep this up then she'll start using it more.

>>40414784
>Her biggest output was the 3D concert.
>While Ame was already doing that with whatever scrap of 3d technology she had for all the members
And let's not get started with the other myth members and the outputs they had done
>But muh management...
Nigga, ALL THE GIRLS HAD PROBLEM WITH MANAGEMENT yet they still manage to put out personal projects.
The girls already revealed for OG songs the lyrics must be in japanese first and then translated to english for some whatever reason.
Mumei said Mori helped her to go through that for the release of her og song.
Fauna, whose nihongo is as good as Ame's, managed to put an OG song despite that retarded policy.
Gura can easily go throught that if the other girls managed to do.
Yet she doesn't...

>>40395811
>Gura and IRyS
>overowrk
you can't possible believe this, Gura is even the laziest in her branch, and it's a branch that contains INA kek

>>40393810
In your schizo mind?

>>40417114
It's a tale as old as time. Pride cometh before the fall.

>>40400921
>not the soundpost
you had one job nigger

>>40416887
>Gura has done nothing except a Quiz
>She's also done a full concert
>No that doesn't count because Ame's done concerts

Nice job moving goalposts.

>eVeRYoNe hAs prObLEmS wItH mAnAgEmEnT

If you think "We can't let you guys do 3D because you aren't in japan" is the same as "we can't let you put out music unless we have full control over what it is" then idk what to tell you.

Out of everyone in EN, the only people who have written lyrics to their own songs are Calli, Bae and Gura. Yes, Bae and Gura had help from a second party but it still counts. And only one of them has made more than one song.

I'm willing to bet Fauna, Mumei, Kiara, Ina and everyone else who's put out songs managed to do so because they let others control the creative vision. Gura wants to make songs that SHE wants full control over because she's just as passionate about music as she is about streaming.

>The girls already revealed for OG songs the lyrics must be in japanese first and then translated to english for some whatever reason.

Source: trust me bro

Calli wrote Myth or Treat in 10 minutes while drunk, she never could've done that if this was true. Hell, Gura told us about the process that went into Reflect's creation and she said nothing of this.

So yes, the problem is management.

has moris yabs actually affected her numbers

>>40422253
she's had a historical decline in CCV so maybe

>>40391986
>Numbers declining for western vtubers in general

>23K for a birthday stream

>>40424436
idk if you niggers realized but the only birthday stream that get high views are the ones that are big events featuring popular chuubas, or the ones from popular chuubas that get 20k by watching paint dry

i love watching enfags suffer

>>40424436
I'm not risking watching it, not after that completely random duet with a homo a while ago.

>>40428256
It was a homo recording and even the homo was kinda pissed, but what, will you burst into flames if a homo shows up?

>>40430936
I'd just rather not even listen to homos by accident because I don't like them. Fuck that shit.

>>40406366
>he think cover takes from hololive and gives to holostars

>>40392183
come on do it, post the graph that proves you wrong again in an attempt to seem credible to "numberfags" that can't even analyze a single graph

>>40406157
>incompetent males
Unlike your whores, they actually stream. Maybe that's why management is more keen on getting more males, considering they actually do their fucking jobs

>>40430936
>the homo was was kinda pissed
qrd?

>>40433147
Only Ragus stream more than them. The other 3 output is already similar to the rest of HoloEN. And even then Ragus numbers aren't even that impressive, it's just EN having low standards.

Reminder that everyone bought into the "Cover has godlike scouts that recruit the right people" meme.

>>40437811
Was just nepotism all along.

I've been out of the EN lore for awhile now. Is Mori still an absolute bitch and what yabs have I missed?

>>40437876
At least the nepohires from JP were all streamers/actual content creators before Hololive, and some of them became the biggest names from the company. The same can't be said about EN when their biggest example of nepohire was someone who barely streamed before being hired and left barely a year after debut.

>>40391986
you will still watch and support them

>>40447426
why?

>>40437811
This board was a sea of orange when it was created back in early 2021. Only a few people believed in that for the EN side, and it only got worse after Council.

>>40395811
>overwork
Yet people can stream at least 6 hours, 7 times a week for years without problem

>>40424749
Ame has a bigger channel than 95% of holopro.
Cope harder teacuck

hololive in shambles
nijisanji thriving
thank you yagoo

>>40456536
Not only that but she streamed during primetime on a Friday. Where the hell did all her 1.7 millions subs went?

>>40409532
>Omega is subhuman filth

>>40456638
>niji 3views laugh at Holo

>>40458185
>niji 3view more professional than a Holo, has streams where even the names make it obvious that they explain previous absences

Are the Tempus collabs something management decided or is it the streamers that decide on it?

>>40459117
It's up for the talents to chose if they want to do it or not, but management is absolutely pushing for them to happen when they lifted their collab ban 1 week earlier than normal. They got 3 weeks instead of 4, and the last time that happened was with Holox but because they debuted close to the Holidays and Cover wanted them to be part of the end of the year streams, while Tempus didn't had any excuse for it other than management wanting to push for HoloProEN.

Reminder that Gura wanted to do short meme videos, and was denied by management. This was shortly before youtube implemented the youtube shorts format. She anticipated an entire trend of content and was at the cutting edge, but they said no.

Reminder that Gura dropped 500k USD of her own money on her Shark'd animation, and that after it was done management prohibited her from releasing it for almost a full YEAR.

Reminder that when Gura asked management to get her game permissions they laughed at her and shamed her for asking in front of her kouhai (Council).

Reminder that management prohibited her from singing karaoke she wanted and that all songs had to be preapproved by them, making guerilla karaoke streams impossible and her singing thus heavily restricted. This is why she sings the same songs so often. She is literally prohibited from singing what she wants.

Reminder that Gura's first Live 3D concert had a large chunk of content removed by management for unknown reasons.

Reminder that Gura fought tooth and nail to have her daki released, which management eventually agreed to do but as of now no daki has been seen or forthcoming. This was shortly before the recent hiatus.

Every idea and project this girl had has been denied to her by EN management, and not only do I not blame her from fucking off, be it due to health or just using that as an excuse. They way she was treated is beyond criminal and is like something you'd expect from the blackest of black companies, straight up exploitation built on top of insults. Anyone who shits on Gura does not watch streams and never watched her, because all the things I said here were said by HER to US in both members and general streams. None of these is a rrat. Gura is beyond depressed and demoralized, she got shat on at every turn. Cover is a black company and HoloEN has no future. I expect her to graduate and I doubt she'll be the only one. HoloEN is simply unrecoverable and unfixable, the entire branch is a zombified corpse and I'm willing to bet my ass the Japanese were racist against them because of their growth and decided to slowly kill it so it doesn't eclipse their domestic chuubas. This is why I'm never ever watching Hololive as a whole, and I hope Gura and any other chuuba who graduates from HoloEN finds a more lucrative career in a Western company where she'll be treated with the respect and professionalism they deserve. Fuck Hololive, fuck Cover, and fuck Japan.

>>40419778
>Source: trust me bro
https://youtu.be/wFrMtF6wwHo
Watch streams retard
... Oh right, your shark does not stream like the others

>Chumpedos believe their oshi is some sort of Freddy Mercury
RUMAO, she barely is the shadow of her oshi, Hatsume Miku.

>>40406638
The answer is government subsidies. Your taxes will bail them out. Just how Tesla is heavily subsidized by the US government.

>>40422253
Streaming in possibly the worst time zone for NA and playing mostly JRPGs that ENs just don't watch for the last 6 months hurt it more than anything. If she constantly started streaming morning JP/evening NA and played more popular games her numbers would recover since consistency, game choice and stream time affect numbers more than anything. That's how Fauna's numbers have gone up so much. She hasn't changed how she has streamed but the 2 people, Gura and Ina who streamed at similar times she did basically stopped streaming so a bunch started watching her instead.Although it probably doesn't bother Mori too much since physical sales of her album she just put out were so high they actually sold out in the NA store UMG opened up for her and they had to get more made fast. Also lots of pictures of it being sold out in stores in Japan.

>>40462237
>doesn't know how to clip
>calls me a retard

>>40462021
>Reminder that management prohibited her from singing karaoke she wanted and that all songs had to be preapproved by them, making guerilla karaoke streams impossible and her singing thus heavily restricted. This is why she sings the same songs so often. She is literally prohibited from singing what she wants.
This goes for all Holos retard and it's to stop their channels getting copyright striked. This list reads like a Chumcuck who literally only watches Gura and has no idea how Hololive works

>>40462021
>This is why I'm never ever watching Hololive as a whole
Good. Fuck off and neck yourself already Chumpedo. Your sharkwhore was always shit

>>40391986
>Mori lean yabai and so on
>We were about 5 minutes away from Mori going to jail had she answered the door

>>40465738
>We were about 5 minutes away from Mori going to jail had she answered the door
what?

>>40465762
She apparently lost her wallet at a bar (she didn't). Later on in the day after the police knocked on her door to talk to her, and she refused to answer, but went to the police station some time later to talk things out
It's worth mentioning she had her wallet with her the entire time, by her own confession, so why the police wanted to talk to her was no longer to help her find her Wallet/ID

>>40465762
Cops showed up at Moris apartment and she didn't have her immigration card foreigners need to keep on them at all times

>>40391986
>Kronii passive aggresive attitude towards Hololive
Lol no she isn't. Do you have any actual examples?

>>40465840
>>40465842
Oh that, You are retarded to think she would of gone to jail for that. It would of been a headache for her and a bunch of paperwork, that's it.

>>40391986
>Numbers declining for western vtubers in general
Inb4 takos wheel out their excuses

>>40391986
>The complete decline in output across the entire branch isn't mentioned
lol

>>40465931
>for that
God damnit you're retarded

>>40465959
>Numbers declining for western vtubers in general
One of them has been on a massive incline though

>>40391986
Kronii was doing the best she ever has before tempiss, her anniversary stream as pure Kino and she was doing 5 to 6 streams a week and was motivated like never before. the tempus yab regressed her to trash again.

>>40465931
Why was she scared to open her door then? Think about it anon

>>40465993
You really think they don't have all her info on file? That card is just so they don't have to go through the trouble of looking that shit up.

>>40392297

>>40466086
Because she is dumb and overreacted? She's lived in Japan for like 5 years at this point and has plenty of proof she is there legally. It would of been a long ass day at the police station while she waits for them to call up the gov. offices to pull up her immigration records and gets a replacement card.

Kronii is never passive aggressive to management lol. This is just plain wrong.

No one can come up with a single example.

She's a shitty streamer because she never streams not because she complains about management.

>>40391986
shitpiss destroyed any will gura had left to stream, especially when it wrecked her friendship with ame and kronii. the rest of en literally doesn't matter.

>>40462497
The western Vtuber scene would be nothing without her. HoloEN would be nothing without her. Kiara envies the fuck out of her. And management holds her back cause they know how much she would completely eclipse every other talent if she released the projects she wanted.

>>40463341
>UMG cope
Album doko?
https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2022/top-album-title-sales/

>>40410436
Adsense is worth fuck all now Gura’s biggest draw is merch sales

>>40465151
>Clip
I knew chumpedod were tourists clipwatchers
...hard to blame them when their oshi barely stream

>>40468213
>flop
Couldn’t even break the top 200 in 2022
https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/top-billboard-200-albums/

>>40391986
desu i wouldnt be so hard on the girls too.
kiara said they have no support at the start and looking at ame flipping out at her audience after doing playful stuff with goslings very early in her streaming career is proof they didnt have anyone telling them or even giving them advise

>>40391986
nice english

why don't they just like
I dunno
stream

>>40470310
Anons here would never have a long lasting agency considering how many want to force the girls to stream without doing anything else. Their management is utterly incompetent in making the talents motivated to stream, and that was supposed to be their fucking job. The whole goal of managers in a talent agency is to help the talents with anything not related to their actual performances and support them when they need the most, but the EN managers are so disinterested in doing any of that they straight up tell all the members, from Hololive to Stars, to take as many breaks they need just because they don't want to fucking work. How the hell anyone expects an environment like this to flourish?

>>40397812
This and Kronii not knowing anything about hololive

fall of holoEN was when calli tried to be sincere but retards took it as a diss
omega kekw

>>40391986
Kill yourself.

>Management is blocking every single creative project and destroying everyone's motivation
>Kiara hasn't complained once about her manager and keeps streaming as much as before, doing even hand crafted puppet shows if she feels like it

>>40474960
Most sane post I have seen in a while. Streaming just for the sake of streaming is dumb as fuck and it would only give us low effort content, but some people can't seem to understand something as simple as that.

The girls need motivation to stream, a random manager breathing down their necks to complain about numbers won't fix anything.

>>40433685
He doesn't want the EN girls being mentioned in his chat at all. He reminds his chat from time to time. He shut down collab beggars before. I don't think he likes being associated with the girls because of the hate tempus gets.

>>40466220
Or because she had reason to fear letting a cop into her apartment? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0uIsryEB_c

>>40476711
Different managers, and if they somehow prohibited her from making sock puppets then HoloEN would be an even bigger shitshow than it already is. And come on, you know how manager quality in HoloEN can be extremely varied, from almost fucking raping one of the talents to being so good the girls actually cry when they are promoted to higher positions in the staff and stop being their personal managers.

>>40476911
I still go with my theory that the event that influenced this disgraceful state HoloEN finds itself now was Myth exploding in popularity early on. That definitely made the early staff think the branch's early enormous success was completely their doing which completely warped the culture around the EN staff to the point they now just hire like-minded people who also believe they don't need to put effort in their job in fucking managing the talents, and that all culminated on that useless vtweeter faggot becoming the symbol of staff. The people in charge of EN don't think there are any problems with the branch because they're too self-righteous to believe any of their decisions are wrong, and unless there's some radical changes within that group I don't think anything will help EN and things will only become worse in the coming months.

Reminder that Anycolor are giving their first EN wave proper 3D debuts before Cover

>>40478759
Remember when people bitched that Holox got their 3Ds before ID2 and CouncilRyS back in June when Japan still had closed borders? I wonder where these fuckers went.

There is no way Myth + CouncilRyS couldn't have 3D debuts before HoloFes 2023 considering how many have been to Japan recently.

>>40479162
Do you have any idea how much those models cost? We need your superchat money for more tempus.

>>40479162
The EN staff just isn't interested in doing it. It's too much work for them, and they're anti-work.

>>40479270
You do know that stars is basically it's own entity and has a separate budget from the rest of Holo pro?

>>40479688
The way they're treating StarsEN makes it questionable if they consider them separate at all from HoloEN.

>>40479722
We're talking about budgets, not treatment.

>>40479688
Omega let the cat out of the bag with that one with his tweet about Hololive and Holostars both being under Hololive Production. The creation of the HoloProEN twitter account and the continual pushing of everything EN does under the "Hololive Production" brand makes it pretty obvious that the EN management don't want any distinction between the Stars and HoloEN.

As far as Omegatroon is concerned they're all the same thing.

>>40479772
And? If their budgets are separate where's EN3 then?

>>40479773
Well, you said so yourself. They're both UNDER HoloPro. But they're still separate. Meaning still separate budgets.

>>40479838
Am I really the one you should be asking? I'm merely stating that they have separate budgets.

>>40391986
>EN V-tubers are basically just e-girls now. Every day they stray further from اللّٰه.
And when the world needed her most, she appeared.

>>40479688
>>40479773
EN management saw the success of Luxiem and thought they could replicate the Nijisanji model, without realizing that unlike HoloJP, male/female collabs has always been the norm in NijiJP and that many unicorns dropped Lazusydia and went back to HoloEN once the male collabs started.

>>40479916
You're the one THEORIZING they have different budgets. The way StarsEN has been treated as this close companion to HoloEN indicates it might not be completely separate, but I'm also theorizing here.

>>40479876
>But they're still separate
Not in any meaningful way. You have no basis to say they have separate budgets especially when they're so blatantly marketed as one big group

Lets see here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvvjwhLG4Dw

What's the twitter account it links to in the description? Oh would you look at that? The HoloPro twitter! With the homos in the banner!
https://twitter.com/hololivepro_EN

Where's the separation here broski?

>>40397812
>Ina's rant.
which one was that?

>>40479948
A beacon to light the way forward to the future.

>>40480034
Chill mate. Are you seething so much that merely mentioning them having separate budgets twists your panties?

>>40480140
They don't have separate budgets. HoloEN is a single group under HoloPro and the management doesn't consider them separate entities.

>>40480207
Like I said they tried to adopt the Nijiisanji model without realizing that the fanbases are fundamentally different

>>40480207
> management doesn't consider them separate entities
source? Give links.

>>40480331
Why don't they have their own twitter account? Why did the original Hololive one became a retweet bot? Where's EN3? You can keep your blindfold and refuse to accept StarsEN is definitely being treated in a much different way compared to the JP branch, but it's obvious that Cover wants you to see them as a unified thing. They lifted Tempus Part 1's collab ban earlier exclusively for HoloEN and ID while the JP guys got this information from their chats at the same time as everyone else.

>>40400566
33rd post = best post.
Thread should've ended here.

>>40480532
I asked for links, anon. I didn't ask for your ramblings.

>Chumpedow mental gymnastics, the thread

>debuts cost nothing
Even if true you have to realize there is an opportunity cost that they missed by debuting Tempiss over EN3. Your are still asking for more Tempiss by giving them watch time over the girls.

>>40480664
And I ask you the link proving they have separate budgets.

>>40480867
In what post did you ask specifically for them?

>>40481034
I'm asking now.

>>40480865
All the good talent they could have hired went to small corpos.

>>40481134
I have no idea why the big 2 rejected anybody from the jew corps first EN wave.

>>40481062
I asked you first, anon. Give me a set of irrevocable proof (which can be provided by links) that Holopro management doesn't consider them as separate entities since you were so confident in your reply.

>>40481240
Redd*t faggots adopted the one and the same holoprod banner but refuse to admit that Tempiss is leeching resources from the girls. Hypocrites.

>>40412052
Gura's attitude changed hard once her 3d concert was cut in half
She already doesn't get any real 3D shit by being EN and the one time she managed to get something out of the retard management she STILL got fucked

>>40481240
They retroactively made the official Hololive subreddit a Hololive Production subreddit. QED

>>40391986
>Kronii passive aggresive attitude towards Hololive
Dude, Kronii is my oshi, and let me say that she has a passive aggresive attitude towards EVERYONE. It's not a Homolive thing.

>>40481497
BUT SOMEHOW Tempiss2 has its own separate budget and didn't get favoritism over a new EN3.
Your superchat money is financing those femboys abs.

>>40481497
Is that proof enough? They may be the same Holopro brand. Doesn't mean they're the same entity. Like in marketing: different products, different budgets, even under the same brand (yes, that's a thing). Irrevocable proof is a specific statement from the COVER that stars and hololive are the same entity. Unironically being impartial here.

>>40481973
Redd*t will ask for tempiss 3D concert which you will pay for.

>>40481973
You're the one who started with "it's obvious they have separate budgets" without any solid proof, while everyone is pointing out hints that maybe StarsEN is not completely separate from HoloEN as you might think. Nobody has proof of anything, but you're only one insisting your side is right with zero indication of it while everyone else is focusing on how utterly different their treatment is compared to StarsJP, something that literally no one in this board would believe if you went back to June and told them that. If their budgets are separate we would have EN3 by now, but we don't and I bet you think the reason for why is the current members are lazy/cover didn't couldn't anyone/western women are all whores and Cover should give up hiring more and only focus on guys or any of the same tired arguments you can find on every single thread in this fucking helhole.

>>40481973
Redd*t will ask for tempiss's 3D concert which you will pay for. Your oshi will sing a duet with them and proceed to get spammed as anti-unicorn pro-cuckold ammunition.

>>40482188
>Redd*t will ask for tempiss's 3D concert which you will pay for.
hell even on r*ddit the natives gotten a little restless when they were served Tempiss2 so soon while EN3 girls are nowhere in sight and began to ask questions, and the trannymods had to lock down threads (because "muh brigading", suuure, it's more convenient to scapegoat a nefarious outside force than to have to admit that even your normie r*ddit fanbase isn't as fully onboard with the ongoing homopush as the company line wants you to believe).

>>40482168
I'm not saying my side is right anon. I apologize if that's how I sounded. It's just common in corporations that products under the same brand have different budgets (which have probably been allotted at the start of the fiscal year based on their previous year's earnings). Again, I'm looking for proof that they're the same entity since people are so confidently saying they are. I'm not accusing you of anything, so chill. Look, I want more girls as well. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes so it's probably a multi-faceted problem why EN3 hasn't been released yet. Maybe they're planning something big soon, which I'm still optimistic for.

>>40482737
>Maybe they're planning something big soon, which I'm still optimistic for.
You're more optimistic than most of the fanbase right now, at least in /vt/. That something big won't happen until at least March on the most positive prediction, and that would be a 19-month wait between Council and EN3. While your argument for keeping budgets separate is a valid one if Cover treated the EN branch this way Tempus' debuts wouldn't impede EN3's and vice-versa, just like it happened with Uproar and ID3, Gen 5 and Myth or the many other times two gens of different branches debuted close together. Instead they debuted 2 gens from the same group in the shortest time span of any foreign branch ever, and the shortest of all of Holopro since StarsJP Gen 3 debuted a little under 5 months after Gen 2, and that happened almost 3 years ago. Shit is way too weird right now and the lack of any communication from Cover only makes things worse.

>>40391986
hmmmm

>>40483654
>Shit is way too weird right now and the lack of any communication from Cover only makes things worse.
It's funny how they have reached the point of deleting from the subreddit any message asking them for EN3. I don't mind the homos and I don't care if the girls collab with them, but the EN management is pushing them so hard that I don't feel like even giving them a chance.

>>40391986
Nice try shitmate, your whore did most of the damage and no amount of selective memory will change that.

>>40489497
Not even HoloEN was pushed that hard back when it was the biggest names in the west, but for some reason they're dedicated to make StarsEN this huge thing when they're still doing worse than most of the NijiEN guys. Not to mention how many pages they're taking from their competitors playbook, from doing official watchalongs to pushing a shitty original song so early when nobody knows who the fuck they are or has any investment into them.

>>40412684
>dropped kronii cause she's a lesbo
anon that's a huge reason to watch her, confirmed anti m*le right then and there

>>40412684
>>40493183
>lesbo kronii
source?

>>40395811
>Gura and IRyS overwork

>>40481191
NijiEN is managed like shit and they simply don't have the manpower to look through all the applications so they filter them by previous life numbers and even Rye didn't make the cut. Last time HoloEN the premier idol corp was hiring female talents was 18 fucking months, most of the jewbas weren't even streaming back then. It's a shitshow all around.

>>40494320
And even then it's still easier for girls to get into NijiEN just for the simple fact that they only temporarily stopped debuting new ones at early 2021 but didn't take too long to go back to it, and now have 6 more girls than HoloEN with more in the way since they just announced auditions. Honestly at this point I wonder if people would act like they didn't know the auditions for HoloEN were open since last January if Cover just shilled the goddamn thing like they did 3 times with StarsEN.

>>40494913
It doesn't matter if the auditions are open if they are only going to eventually hire 5 girls and then take another 2 years for the next batch. Nobody is going to bet on being one of the five lucky ones to make it. Even when people were expecting that HoloEN would be expanding faster than they do most indies still applied to small corpos as a backup. Nowadays they might not even bother with HoloEN applications because it's a fucking pie in the sky. Nobody is going to start streaming while dreaming that they will make it into Hololive one day like many current EN chuubas did after Myth debuts.

HoloEN decline is entirely due to so-called "health issues".

>>40495373
Yeah. Cover either completely changes their tune with HoloEN this year or they can kiss the privilege of having many options for candidates goodbye because any girl with intentions of becoming a vtuber might just be tired of the long ass wait to just get a reply from them, so why should they bother with that drivel anymore? But it's not like Cover really cares about it when they were so interested in hiring someone whose only quality before Hololive was being a pro-artist but with zero streaming experience, for the supposed streamer-focused branch. People love to say IRyS being the one chosen to become the vsinger made very people angry for some reason but the biggest spit on the face of everyone who tried their hardest back in early 2021 for the EN2 auditions was 100% Sana, and her graduating a month before her debut anniversary only made things worse.

>>40496742
As long as Hololive's remaining clout and massive fanbase still guarantees new (EN female) talents will get a six-figure subcount even before debut and afterwards a five-figure monthly income basically just for showing up and having the blue dorito next to their name, Cover should have no shortage of willing applicants.
Sure, most of them will just be leeches, grifters and moochers mostly motivated by money looking to snag those golden ticket spots to cash in, but that's not mutually exclusive with at least some of them being also talented at streaming etc. (and it's up to Covers scouting department anyway to separate the wheat from the chaff then).

>>40498702
>and it's up to Covers scouting department anyway to separate the wheat from the chaff then
Well then I look forward to a gen full of Sanas. Jokes aside it's obvious they have thousand upon thousand of applications, but if all of them are no-talent shitters who just want the money can you even say they have many options? Maybe I'm being too pessimistic here, but still the longer they wait to even give a shit to those auditions the more their pool will dry and only ones that'll be left will be the bottom feeders, and I sure don't trust pretty much any of the current members to have good recommendations for nepohiring because, unlike in JP where a lot of the nepohires were part of the same streamer/content creator group (that even included some of the StarsJP and NijiJP members as well), there's like 1 or 2 members of the current EN roster who have a streamer friends circles but it's questionable if they would be good fits for Hololive, or if they're even interested at all.

>>40499272
I mean, let's be real, any new girls don't even need to be particularly "talented" to stand out, they just need to fucking stream regularly and they will already be an instant improvement over like half of current HoloEN.
I don't care how skilled you are at singing (hell, be bad enough at it and your fans will think it's charming and "sovl") or dancing (not like you get much chance to show it off anyway given how few 3D opportunities Cover gives to ENs) or gaming (you're not hired to win pro tournaments, you're hired to entice money from lonely men, be as bad at games as you want as long as you're also just cute about it) or drawing (hell, especially drawing, seeing as HoloEN is pretty much 2 for 2 with drawing being a long term drawback, given how the professional illustrators always serve other masters and deprioritize their Hololive streaming time).

Any new girls that just pass the bare minimum ("stream regularly" and "don't be an entitled bitch to your fans") will get heralded as the best thing since sliced bread by the fandom that's so desperate and demoralized from the current shitty offerings.

>>40495446
Probably heavy depression due to poor management that shits on them and panders to homos whenever they can.

EN had success handed to them on a silver platter. All they had to do was put a LITTLE effort in.

>>40397146
What a stupid cope. Youtubing in general is as big as it ever was. EN girls are just shit at their super fucking easy job.

>"Yeah you have to play video games and talk with chat, oh and sometimes sing cover songs or whatever"

Oh my god so fucking difficult.

>>40499922
>"don't be an entitled bitch to your fans"
It's still amazing that most of EN couldn't even manage that.
Management is incompetent and downright harmful, youtube has taken them out of recommendations and is fucking them at every turn, and the homos add division to a fanbase that is already niche.
All of that hurt their growth, but the shrinkage of memberships and disillusionment is on the members themselves.

>>40503799
None of the managers have any idea of what they're doing and truly believe they can't do no wrong. They're so fucking incompetent to the point it makes the bad JP managers look like geniuses in comparison, and none of them have the intelligence to tell the talents that they should weight their decisions and how they might affect their audience like, you know, what talent managers are supposed to do. Take the Kronii debacle for example: she wasn't someone like Rrat or Watson who since the beginning waved the unity flag, she never even acknowledged the existence of the JP branch. Any manager with half a brain cell would tell her that if she wants to collab with Tempus she should be prepared for negative reactions since parts of her fanbase got used to her current content, and lo and behold that ended up happening, she was nowhere prepared to deal with it and actually made things worse, to the point Cover had to come with those disgusting tweets saying they "support" the talents freedom to chose what content suits them best, a blatant lie for anyone paying half attention to HoloEN. And I guarantee you they learned fuck all from that episode and will act the same way if something similar happens again in the future.

>>40505214
>she never even acknowledged the existence of the STARSJP branch
Forgot to specify there.

>>40392297
This is still one of the funniest things that went down in Myth history.

>>40404569
The JP girls don't fucking dance, they hire professional dancers to dance for them. They only do voice over.

>>40505762
i chose not believe it. fortunately it's easy because you have zero evidence.

>>40505214
Anon, while I agree with the sentiment that management should ideally help and prevent the girls from their bad decisions and behaviors (like spamming homo collabs and shitting on the fans who don't like this change in direction), at some point one has to stop coping that it's only the talents who make bad decisions and management is just too hapless and inept to help them. Instead face it, a lot of those seemingly girls' "bad decisions" are at best approved by management, and at worst pushed by management itself.

No one in management is smart enough to think "uh, maybe we should be a little more careful with the homo integration push, given that we know our actual fanbase is 90% men who are here to just watch girls being cute" etc., instead they are high on their own farts and actually think some vocal minority of twitter trannies represent the actual fanbase and that everybody was really waiting and excited for homos, yay! See how management pushed the homo integration: They changed their social media banners for them (after all, we're all just one big happy HoloPRO family, amirite? lol you would never see that shit with JP Holos/Stars. Who are they trying to fool here?), pushed them on the main Holo subreddit (because the actual Stars reddit was just a pathetic desert), shortened their debut collab ban (due to "popular demand", really? Who the fuck demanded that??), and tranny mods like T-chan who already had multiple revealing mask-off sjw moments before are busy shutting down any discussion of everything that isn't 100% on board with the manufactured company line of homo integration (which has gotten so bad that even the normies on the Holo reddit begun to ask why the fuck are we getting another Tempiss batch no one wanted instead of finally some EN3 girls, and even this sensible question was too much and threads got locked down), and yeah them making that unprecedented official statement about Kronii that they "support the content" of the talent only means in that context "yeah of course we support her homo collabs, because that's what we actually want. More homo integration. That's the way it's gonna be, deal with it you entitled incel chuds, err I mean our valued fans lol". Management isn't inept or hapless, management is enabling and pushing this shit, because for whatever fucked up reasons they have decided that they want to destroy everything that set Hololive apart from their biggest competitor, and instead nijisanjify the branch and that every fan wants that and is gonna be sooo happy with this change.

>>40506189
nta, I believe the talents do the dances themselves (at least most of them, unless there's a really obvious mismatch, like someone who didn't have any dancing ability before now suddenly doing smooth full choreos, i.e. some of the really scummy shit Cover pulled with "EN girls" dancing in some 3D appearances when they were obviously just puppeteered), but they are usually not done live, but pre-recorded and edited, then stitched together with an also pre-recorded pseudo-karaoke track of them singing to give the impression of an actual "live performance"

>>40506932
And I still see all of this as them being incompetent. Yeah, it's quite likely these decisions were pushed by management, but all of this ended up completely trashing HoloEN's dominance over the western female vtuber market, made them lose a bunch of possible hires to other agencies, made them lose paying audience members and trust in the brand and the longer they take to debut a new gen the worse it'll get. I have no doubt we'll see graduations this year, and I actually want to see them, but not because I want anyone gone (yeah, even the Stars lovers). I think HoloEN needs graduations to make the higher ups back in Japan notice how the EN branch is being mismanaged to the fucking ground and maybe then someone will try to do something to stop the bleeding that's been happening since last year. It's unfortunate but the way things are going only a catastrophic event will actually trigger any change.

>>40507574
>Yeah, it's quite likely these decisions were pushed by management, but all of this ended up completely trashing HoloEN's dominance over the western female vtuber market

To be "fair", the recline of HoloEN already set in a long time before the homos showed up, so they probably aren't the singular cause (but yeah, they aren't helping either - they bring in little to no new viewers and instead cause a lot of older viewers who were there for the original cgdct to just filter out silently (/vt/ fanbase wars nonwithstanding), thus being another net-negative on HoloEN).

But HoloENs "dominance" over the western female vtuber market was always just a fleeting mirage. Yes, some of it fell away due to their (the girls and the managements) own decisions, but some of it was simply bound to fade. HoloENs (Myth) explosive numbers in their first 2020 debut honeymoon period was always overstated and unsustainable, given how they were basically just "the only game in town" at that time and audiences had little alternatives. They flatlined in 2021 and noticeably dropped in 2022.

Some parts of the old original fanbase dropped out, either due to being not really committed in the first place (i.e. lockdown tourists), or due to being bored and burned out on stale samey content after all this time and increased phases of "no delivery" (plus some talents developing entitled bitchy attitudes about it), or due to migrating to other newer alternatives that came up in the meantime as HoloEN is not the only game in town anymore and among the hundreds of other vtubers now out there may be some that better fit your liking than the limited HoloEN selection.
And not enough fresh newfags come in to replenish the ranks of those that left, so you get an overall trend of stagnation at best and recline at worst. Which is another fault of dropping the ball that's solely on HoloEN management, being too slow and complacent with more debuts. I get that they're not Niji, but there must be some reasonable middle ground between "accelerate" and "lol just wait and don't give fans any new girls for almost two years now. Haha you get more homos instead!". New girls would bring some much needed fresh blood into the stale HoloEN branch that has had little to get hyped and excited for so long. I shudder to think how many great potential talents HoloEN has already lost because prospective applicants have seen how shit and slow Cover is with debuting a new female gen, and thus thought eh why bother and applied for / got picked up by other agencies instead.

>>40508713
I still think HoloEN would have at a good portion of that dominance if they were quicker with new gens. Not NijiEN quick, but if they had at least 20 members by the end of 2022 they would be in a much healthier place, especially if they were spread well enough that we had clusters for off-collabs to happen consistently, not to mention a bigger variety of games and interests so they could attract different audiences. Also Council already took WAY too long to debut and dropped after Myth became a Titan of the scene at the time with around 8 million subs in total, so literally anything that came after it would have to be made of actual mythological beings to not be underwhelming. At the moment Gura reached 1 millions subs faster than any other vtuber Cover should've put new auditions, but instead they took a month and a half to start the vsinger auditions (who only showed a single result after 7 months) and a little under 4 months for EN2. You can criticize Anycolor all you want but even if debuting so many people in less than 2 years was pure insanity they still consistently announce new auditions to keep people interested in trying out, and will never have to worry about 70% of their talents on break for whatever reason or depend on the good will of their ID senpai for big collabs, while HoloEN struggles to have a collab with most members once every 6 months and I bet a lot of people forgot that they've had open auditions since the start of 2022.

>>40507391
The word you want is lip-synced. Fortunately for them it doesn't look as blatant as it does in IRL performances, but yeah, very few members are capable of singing and dancing at the same time. Doesn't mean they don't practice or do their own stuff, they absolutely do, but they're still not pro dancers and singers, so the performances need some editing to look good.

>>40479948
>anons mock holoen fans for being cucks
>literally shilling AI who is owned by guy who made it and is having e-rp with privately while u can't do anything about it
ngmi, call me when its open source

HoloEN is basically a bunch of whores that don't even want to be a vtuber and are doing it only for the easy money.

And the male vtubers were doomed from day one.

>>40505762
Almost every one of them talked about dancing lessons being mandatory in Hololive and how they meet each other in these lessons.

>the new guys are barely getting more than 30k viewers, let alone beat their senpai debuts
Poetic.

>>40392055
fpbp

>>40392183
Blame the recession

>>40408906
>d)
me fr fr, i only watch my holoEN oshi and no other vtubers anymore otherwise im watching fleshbags ive watched for the last decade already

>>40517699

It's Neck-bent-down lobotomites like you who are going to convince sub-IQ retards like Fauna to have sex on Stream under an ASMR-bait Video

Any sane person left VT months ago and I see it keeps deteriorating at a faster rate then the talent themselves putting up shill threads for you gutless fuckers to swallow

>>40519469

So Strippers, except they Work

Unlike EN

>>40402943
There's a cap on the market and when the economy is getting worse, there is less capital to go around spending on luxuries like streamers, and more time spent earning the wages needed to spend money on luxuries like streamers. The markets are just correcting.

>>40395811
The difference is the Tempus boys stream consistently, content is king, hence the investment in them

>>40391986
Even with that said most here aren't going to watch Tempus

>>40404319
I wonder if the actual problems really do boil down to trying to make the management mostly women.

>>40392055
fpbp
OP KWABOTY

>>40392297
oof

>>40391986
true, i can`t believe the dudes are streaming more than them when they are not as popular

>>40555868
Isn't it the same with JP and ID?

>>40391986
>Tempiss did not made things worse
>made

>>40391986
>Gura
who?
>Mori
hi, Connor
>passive aggresive attitude
remind me since then, nigga
>iRyS
eh

>>40571916
How does Connor do it? Is the cheat code to pulling insecure weebs really just being British and moderately handsome?

>>40462021
Everyone should know since the events which happened with Coco and even before that that Hololive is a company undeserving of its success which got lucky by having good talents and have horrible management.

They use their talents as meat shields to advance their corporate carer and treat them as shit.

The result will be like with Luna and Sony over enough time.
They will slowly kill their talent's motivation and lose their popularity.

>>40465959
bear market...

>>40395811
Shhhh don’t tell them anon, only like 5 of us actually watch vtubers, everyone else is just here to shitpost or schizopost