/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

"Satisfaction of our fans went down 85.5%. It's time to issue a twitter statement against them, lock down the reddit from new posts and ally the reddit trannies against them"

>>40346378
HoloEN can't be saved because 70% of the girls in EN barely fucking stream, company needs money somehow and the homos do stream.

>>40346378
western men no longer desire women vtubers

>>40346378
debut shotas and traps

>>40346378
Yes.
Fire current employees.
Screening question: Do you like Trump?
Reject any that say no

>>40346378
Yes, fixed by the purge.

>>40346495
Yeah basically this.
>customer is always right
>vs.
>we vill debut people you dislike
At least they haven't yet debuted a wave of girls who are roasties like nijien.

>>40346378
is sad how real this is

>>40346378
No, this was the last viable moment to debut EN3. Now we're stuck with literally no streams and they had to lockdown the subreddit because even the redditard dickriders aren't happy with the current state of affairs. They can't salvage this.

>>40346515
If I were them I wouldn't stream either, they get fucked by management for a year now, and only get panels to shill at events

>>40346869
Trump is a one term loser bitch and also the tempiss of politics

>>40346378
>acting like they won't debut en3 eventually
Trust in the plan

>>40346378
Men just do everything better than woman. Get fucked, tranny.

>>40346515
One stream from one of the girls equal to a week worth of all homos combined

>>40347310
They will, homoshit need another set of host to leech off

>>40348412
The next wave of girls will explicitly be vetted to include chicks who want to collab with males and are good with it. They're purging gachikoi, unicorns and people who don't like penis in their morning breakfast.

>>40348597
No shit, you could see that when indog3 debuted.

>>40346515
>sana graduated because streaming more than once a week was too much work
>ina always hated the takos, even though they were the most milquetoast and non-offensive fanbase, just because she's a bitch like that
>gura tummy horty
>irys gets a new model and goes on vacation
>kronii does this weird thing where she'll sometimes stream 5 days a week and then take a random week off for no reason
>fauna, bae and kiara are the only ones who actually keep a schedule
>mori and mumei and amelia stream 'when they can'

>>40348672
except...ya know...Kaela...

>>40346495
Why are you so in love with transexuals?

>>40348672
>you don't like males? get some help!
>I don't like asmr plus who cares if streamers have bfs
>*random indog noises and collabs with male fleshtubers*
Honestly the last few years have been a huge waste of time for me, I honestly wish I had just become one of those guys fucking lonely fatties during covid instead. Would have been a better waste of both time and sanity since I could at least pretend to be chad thundercock.

>>40348738
>>irys gets a new model and goes on vacation
Didn't she get sick?

>>40348738
>irys gets a new model and goes on vacation
These narratives are weak and of someone that doesn't watch them but ESPECIALLY this one.

>>40348738
>Ina always hated the takos
I’ve still never seen evidence for this despite watching or listening to every single one of her streams

>>40348827
Already had them on her birthday, and she'll fall for the peer pressure from her whore genmates anyway.

>>40348946
Oh and I forgot
>IRyStocucks even more annoying than chumcucks and tacuckdachi in terms of simping for someone who doesn't like streaming

>>40349198
you know...with how rent-free the Tempus boys are in all your minds, Im beginning to think you all just enjoy the drama more than anything else.

>>40348348
Back in 2020 maybe grandpa.

>>40348879
Yeah she's been sick like 3 times now in the past 2 months. Always sick when she needs to be. Very convenient how sick these chicks get.
>but dude they live in like bad conditions
Kiara got sick once and still psychotically streamed, nijiens like pomu do the same shit with grinding forever. Mumei lives with a dog in a shed kidnapping people to use for sustenance. Kronii never 'gets sick' (even though she randomly stops streaming) despite grinding 2 week old subway sandwiches into smoothies to consume.

>>40349316
This is a drama board

>>40349193
>someone avoids you as much as possible
>when they are forced to interact with you they try to keep you at a distance while politely telling you it'll be months before you talk to them again
>you know they're literally hanging out with other people you know but they're just never in the same room with you at the same time
>"they don't hate me they just have other stuff goin on"

>>40349316
>rent-free
>when they keep shoving homos down my throat
Yeah sure, fag.

>>40349500
Why do you keep shoving cock down your throat?

>>40346378
Just burn it all. Merge the girls who are still willing to work into JP and get rid of everything else. EN was a mistake.

>>40349500
>someone is dumping manure on your lawn at 3 AM
>you're not sure who it is but you keep putting up NO DUMPING PRIVATE LAWN signs
>people tell you that they're living in your head rent free and you need to calm down
>it keeps happening
>you tell the neighborhood homeowner's association at the big homeowners meeting with all the homeowners in attendance
>they tell you you're overreacting
>BUT IT KEEPS FUCKING HAPPENING

>>40348828
Go back.

>>40346515
And the homos only stream because they're new at their job, and they need to make a name to earn money. I really want to see what your cope will be in a year or so when Vesper stops streaming for weeks at a time because his life will be made by then (assuming this corp even still exists).

>>40348255
>Just two more week bro.

>>40348879
That schizo forgot that she got Covid, which Cover themselves announced as well
>>40349373
She was doing a Twitter Space while having Covid and was coughing pretty much once every 2-3 minute for a good hour while chugging cough suppressant, schizo

>>40349193
I sure wonder which fanbase this anon is a part of

>>40348255
>sabotaging tempiss2's growth (attempt) when they're meant to sabotage hololive as a whole
Cute hope anon, I wish I could still have that.

>>40346495
The Rushia situation wasn't that drastic

>altaire gets sick but still streams
>axel goes to japan and streams so much it pisses of his neighbor through the wall
>vesper goes nuclear on the managers you hate so much and dies for your sins
>magni slips a disk and drops thousands on ergonomic furniture so he can stream while recovering, lies to management about having covid so he can still stream

>girls: tummy hort, cat hort, head hort, back hort, stream hort

Gee, I wonder why the homos are getting better treatment...

>>40346378
have you tried shitting on your fans?

>>40349611
Hololive isn't your lawn. It's a company who's job is to get as many different people to view their talents and sell merch.
The antis and the unicorns are the ones who keep are against them expanding.
It's their company.
You are the one who's doing the dumping in this scenario

>>40349729
Sometimes I really wish they never taught the retards the word "cope" because they still don't know how to use it correctly.

>>40351931
Perfectly valid to dunk on whores.

>>40351931
>The antis and the unicorns are the ones who keep are against them expanding.
and the fans of hololiveEN are all content with stars and more stars when EN has been decaying for a year?

>>40346495
>Satisfaction of our fans went down 85.5%
>14.5% of our fans are still satisfied with us
WE ARE DOING GOOD

>>40346378
Uproar was released not too long ago and they participated in the big new years show, JP isn't doing so hot either

If you watch female vtubers, you're a failed male, simple as.

>>40346495

>>40352172
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>>40351931
>the unicorns are the ones who keep are against them expanding.
You can keep expanding without shoving your homos everywhere, especially when more than 90% of your viewers don't want it.

>>40352172
Yes, and?

>>40346495
>4channers mad because they cant raid the subreddit

>>40352149
JP has been pumping out concerts, collabs, outfits, merch and most importantly streams you absolute fucking retard, the problem with EN is we get none of that and only more homos

>>40352461
i would tell you to go back but apparently you can't lmao

>>40352461
kek. not even cover cocksuckers are liking this shit anymore. You can't stop the astroturfing, covershill.

The only reasonable explanation for this I can see is that Yagoo or whoever the fuck thought of this is tired of western women not streaming and thinks that stars EN will be the answer to that while simultaneously tapping into the western "brotuber" market. It backfired though.

>your oshi hates you for being overly zealous freaks trying to control her life
>also you're fat and ugly
>rakes over 6 figures in a year
>ghosts you for months at a time
>this is somehow the male's fault
HoloATMs, hell any idolATM's mindset is like this.

Thank you for the condom and vacation money I guess.

>>40353166
>this is somehow the male's fault
Nobody is saying that though. Why are you conflating two separate things? Some people have no problems with their oshi despite their stream frequency, but detest the idea of males being part of the HoloEN environment.

>>40354209
>being this much in denial when there's hundreds of threads explicitely saying this
your post reeks of desperation, let me guess you're jumping ship to a smaller corp to save face too

>>40346378
>Pay to poach strong EN girls
>Don’t stream after 3 months, TUMMY HORRT/BACK HORT intensifies
>Homos actually stream

Glad no one will ever hire a moron like you.
Imagine making a mistake of paying 5 chicks $50k salaries to have them not work.

>>40346378
fixed your scribble for ya

>sudden new IPs defending the homos
I guess the thread got attention in discord. Glad to have you faggots here!

>>40354479
>says the "king" of a sinking ship

>>40354293
I want my superchats back.

>>40346378
I haven't been keeping up with Hololive.
What exactly does "Homos" refer to in this context?

>>40354902
Holostars

>>40354293
Either way, they created their fanbase by joining Hololive and not interacting with males for years. It's just a matter of consumer expectation. If you have any sense of responsibility or appreciation for the environment you joined, then there should be no issue, like how the JPs are satisfied with the Holo environment. The problem only exists because the already established expectations are being challenged.

>>40351931
Yagoo pls we’re trying to have a serious discussion about homos.

>>40347945
Holy shit they really did lock the reddit. Is it starting to sink in for them that Tempus was a terrible idea?

>>40346378
>can't get game permissions
>doesn't give girls permissions for their own videos
>doesn't give girls permissions for stream ideas
>doesn't produce or organize any event or content for holydays
>doesn't organize or produce literally anything ever, something even small corpos can do
>passive aggressively throws shade on their talents success and demoralizes them
>failed to recognize signs of burnout in multiple members and didn't properly care for them(they are menhera dumb girls they need care takers pls understand)
>didn't manage the talents PR after the tempus collabs, allowing kronii and ame to self destruct
>prioritized having stars 2 out just 3 months after stars 1, delaying gen 3 even more despite council being almost a year old already, meanwhile no holoEN are even streaming
>didn't brief the girls on proper PR when handling stars collabs, allowed them to do nonstop collabs
>was the first big corpo in the west, had a literal monopoly for almost a year
>big holoEN members debuted with 30k CCV which is comparable to a few big holoJP members, by now those are at 15k
>A few holoEN debuted with 15k now they're at 6k
>Some holoEN are reaching mid 3k NijiEN levels
>big streams used to peak at 40k now they peak at 30k
>meanwhile old holoJP keep inclining
>new members have strong debuts
>many holoJP average 15,20 and even 30k
>big streams can peak at 100k+
>they make more money than ever and still stream full time

The only thing Hololive english has managed to do is complete failure.

>>40346495
I would stop streaming too if I learned the money I was earning for the company was being siphoned towards faggots who not only are actively sabotaging my own work, but can't even pull their own weight

>>40355765
You can feel the burnout from JP too. Men are starting to wise up.

>>40355570
>Holy shit they really did lock the reddit
Yeah, for 22 hours and counting.

>>40355570
And people are complaining (and getting banned for that) in the stickied Tempiss announcement nonstop. It's a hilarious mess they got themselves into.

>>40356127
The thread is funny. Even reddit is starting to turn against cover.
They can't actually use swear words or directly complain so instead they'll say stuff like "oh I can't believe I can't post about the latest mori album or the ame birthday thanks to the lockdown"
They also can't hate on tempus but they can complain stars got gen 2 before holoen got gen3.

>>40356202
I got blocked by the hololive production english twitter ages ago when the tempus collabs were going on and all I said was that I didn't tune in to Hololive to watch males and that they should leave that to nijien
literally didn't say anything else, they're so desperate in their damage control they don't want people to see anyone else complaining about it or they might try to rebel as well
gotta keep it contained

>>40349500
You are willing eating it. No one told you to open your mouth. Now keep taking that homo dick you keep crying about

>>40346378
Hear me out.
Even if you don't like the males. The answer is simple.

More males.

I said hear me out it will all make sense soon enough.

Eventually "funny bros doing funny things" will become so mundane and commonplace that everyone even the male Vtubers will get tired of it. So they won't stream as much and people will stop watching.

And what do they do to pick interest back up?
That's right a whole new branch made entirely of "cute girls doing cute things".
Only they will realize they already have one of those so they'll make a Myth 2 followed shortly by a Council 2.

Hopefully they don't try to Collab with the males or people will hate them because they are afraid they will try to fuck the males and mooch off their success.

>>40356372
>No one told you to open your mouth
Yeah, but they keep trying to pry my mouth open. Suck a dick, nigger.

>>40356243
"Why havent they reopened the subreddit, it's Ame's birthday and Mori has a new song!"
"Mods are probably asleep....for 22 hours....while deleting even the mildest criticisms within seconds and banning people for making hateposts like 'I wand EN3'"

>>40355765
>3k NijiEN levels
Funny part is, it still isn't stopping a few of them from streaming frequently. I hate the idea that those CCV need to be huge. There are plenty of JP, a decent chunk of ID, and some EN who regularly get those numbers and still put effort into their work. For some reason the west has two majorly retarded notions that play into giving money to faggots who don't keep doing things to deserve it.
1. Sticking it to the man. The mentality that somehow they're getting one over on the system by continuing to support someone who so fragrantly goes against what the established norm is. People have this weird obsession about sticking out in the west and will throw gobs of money at people who 'subvert' the established norms, even if the subversion is pants on head retarded.
2. Laziness/complacency. They would rather just keep supporting someone just to make sure they don't lose their streak, or they forget about their monthly sub as it slowly drains money out of their account. They're willing to accept mediocrity because of the past.

>>40356328
Damn you reeks of faggotry, please rope yourself soon.

>>40346515
Cover could release EN3 but instead they keep releasing more Tempus members. It is funny that Yagoo doesn't give a shit about holoEN.

>>40346378
Do western women actually watch homos?
I mean real women not troons.

>>40357189
No.

>>40352461
are you baiting or do you actually think this

>>40356764
How’s does thats makes hims gays? I thinks yous gay for wantings homos.

>>40354541
So it was just one guy (you) circle jerking to himself about males then?

>>40357189
Women watch luxiem.
Holoen already late for the party.
There are no demands for male chuuba.

>>40357189
Tempus is mainly trying to court males who watch males audience anyways. To bad you faggots have to ruin shit and act like everything in the company has to appease your GFE autism simulator. This is like throwing a shit fit at fromsoft for making a non souls game. Learn to ignore shit. Just because the main holopro socials (rightfully) shill the boys doesn't mean they're being shoved down your throats. Support fauna and or mumei or whoever the fuck still streams and ignores males.

>>40346378
Did an actual child make this?

>>40352070
No, probably not. However, for a normalfag it’s hard to tell the difference between someone who’s annoyed at how much Tempus appears in HoloEN promotional material when they don’t give a shit and just want to watch the girls, and the kind of schizo unicorn everyone wants to filter.
It’s much worse because people who are just annoyed at the Tempus shilling and aren’t schizo tend to be quiet about it and leave.

>>40359258
It's called not downvoting or hiding the guy who sounds kinda like he might be the second, because there's a chance he could be the first. Engage with them and find out their reasoning, have a discussion, and bail if they get to schizo for you. Too bad reddit pushes for shit that counteracts actual discussion and pushes people pushing one narrative.

>>40358935
>>40359115
Hello new IP homobeggars, thanks for the bump.

>>40359081
I don’t *disagree* with you. But to be honest, I think some of the seething (the seething that isn’t from legitimate unicorns, that is) is from the fact that HoloEN was really pretty stagnant before Tempus. I’m sure a lot of anons kept watching simply because they were the only big corpo that didn’t spam male collabs. After Tempus took that sheen away, it exposed HoloEN as being fractured, filled with a bunch of people who are doing their own thing with very little unity, and basically NijiEN except with far fewer people and far fewer streams.
So they’re mad and want it to go back, not realizing that so many of HoloEN’s problems have nothing to do with the males.

Lets be frank here.
HoloEN can't be run like HoloJP.
You can't do the big events because there's no access to the facilities needed for it, you can't do the product placements because only G-Fuel, RAID SHADOW LEGENDS and Tenga would be willing to buy that adspace, you can't do a lot of licensing or appearances outside of anime cons since anime is cringe in the eyes of western normies.
The list of things HoloEN can't do is long.

Basically all HoloEN can reliably do is stream. You got outliers like Mori who got that sigma grindset and autistic focus on a single thing going for them.
But you can't do that with all of them and Mori has been twisting Covers arms on this since day one.
So. Wut do?
You believe the average VT poster the answer is "MORE KAWAII VIRGIN ANIME GIRLS!" but realistically what will this accomplish? If the existing two gens can't seperate you from your money then no girl that they're willing to actually hire is going to do it.
So we get some boys. Yeah they'll peel off some customers from the existing girls, yeah they'll drive some of the more autistic unicorns away. BUT they'll increase overall viewership by appealing to an audience your kawaii animoe girls can't pull in.
Cover is a business. HoloEN has few avenues of income. They have to maximise revenue to stay relevant within the company.

>>40359081
I was perfectly fine to ignoring them, I was even membered to Zeta.
But shoving more homos after 6 months when there there haven't been girls for 17 months, and then telling us not ask to about more girls. Yes, you have turned a neutral like me into a Unicorn.

>>40359940
Except everything has shown that viewership has plummeted. Any new viewer gained has driven away twenty of the old viewers.
But let us assume that the boys actually brought in new viewership. What do you do, you can't do big events because there's no access to the facilities needed for it, you can't do the product placements, and you can't do licensing or appearances anywhere because bishonen anime men are considered the cringiest thing around. Realistically what possible business can you do with homos?

>>40359940
Get some women near people who actually want to hang out with their coworkers. Gura, Ame, and Ina are isolationists and don't want to do anything with their Genmates, while Kiara and Mori are left to jetset around the world if they want to hang out with anyone. Council has had a bit of a better time with this, but some of the fun that people want (me included) is cute off collab talk and in person collabing on each other's channels. Everyone knows it's unreasonable to expect weekly hangouts between EN members because of distance, but would it kill them to take a trip once every two months (and a mini vacation between actually streaming) to hang out with other girls in their gen? Give me some fucking EU girls for fucks sake, Kiara has been asking and wanting people around her since her move back to Austria.

>>40359940
>You can't do the big events because there's no access to the facilities needed for it, you can't do the product placements because only G-Fuel, RAID SHADOW LEGENDS and Tenga would be willing to buy that adspace, you can't do a lot of licensing or appearances outside of anime cons since anime is cringe in the eyes of western normies.

skill issues
you might as well say "you can't have 3D because they don't have the facilities!!!" and give up
meanwhile ame was able to literally build a 3D facility in her fucking cave
proving it was possible, hololive english just didn't give a fuck about trying
same goes for sponsorships, who the fuck says they can't get good stuff?
it's literally the biggest vtuber company in the world, if they can't find good sponsors they just suck and aren't actually trying

>>40359940
more kawaii virgin anime girls sustain what you have. this is necessary if you want to establish something for the long run and maybe even make it a little more culturally accepted way down the line.
or you could just stop adding and watch it crumble away. seems like a sound business strategy

>>40359081
Sure they are with designs that include manly things such as tight spandex suits, exposed abs, and makeup.

>>40360422
Not to mention in regards to the 3d issue, now that Japan is open, Kiara has talked extensively about how she will be visiting often to use their devices because it was infeasible to rent locations in the EU/US. You can get things if you want to, and I'll go out on a limb and say it's probably easier for people who know Japanese like Kiara does, btu there's still options.

>>40360422
Yes Ame built her own 3D setup.
But Ame is pretty tech literate compared to the rest, she was also willing to spend a lot of her own money on it.
She paid for simple gear for the other girls and they've struggled to get it working with her help.

As for getting better sponsors.
They get great sponsors in Japan. They pull a lot of money through it in Japan.
But guess who isn't interested in paying a sizeable chunk of cash to have an anime girl appear in their ads? Western companies.
That Taco Bell ad appearance for Gura where they likely barely got paid was literally the peak of ENs success in that field.

Realistically none of the financial success of JP is possible for them because the culture isn't there for them to exploit.
Anime is cringe. Normies don't give a shit about Gura.

>>40360742
And that's why they should know that the hype they had in 2020 will die down and temper their expectations. No one is asking for Niji-level gen announcements, but holy shit why haven't we gotten an EN 3 when we've already had 1 graduation, half a second one, and a possible third one on the way with Gura's supposed health issues cropping up.

>>40360900
I think when we have 3+ LiveEN leaving then we'll a new LiveEN gen as there'll be a reason to do it at that point.
Though considering the wild success of Tempus (by stars standards) we might see a StarsEN3

>>40360742
Again skill issues.
We've seen how under achieving and incompetent EN management is.
Why the fuck do take it for granted that they cannot do more than what they've done already?
Yeah no shit they can't go as hard as JP but they're not even trying.
"Ame knows tech so she could do it"
HIRE PEOPLE TO DO IT THEN, HIRE TECH PEOPLE TO SUPPORT YOUR PROJECTS
Reminder this is the same management that couldn't even get permissions for some games when the girls asked for them but when the stars insisted and insisted and pushed them they actually got them.
English management isn't doing its best.
They are lazy and incompetent they quite simply don't want to bother doing anything more than the bare minimum so people are still streaming and even at that they have failed.

>>40361061
I guess my problem is that one of the things that I thought was really fun/interesting was the off-collab shit. Obviously you're not going to care about off-collabs that don't involve your Oshi, but the fact that a decent chunk of EN is unwilling to even entertain the idea with others in the same-ish area is a fucking bummer.

>>40357189
Western women are an extremely small audience.
Tempiss audience is the portion of the holoEN fanbase that is ok with male collabs which is around a thousand people + nijinigs who occasionally tune in. Which is all men.
Nijmales their audience are chinese women.
There is no western female customer base to pander to.

>>40361108
Why would you hire MORE people for the least profitable branch of the company?
Especially when it seems like they're the company window tribe.

>>40361182
From what the Tempus boys have let slip about their youtube analytics?
Except for Vesper they have female majority viewerbases.

>>40361182
I don't care about or want male collabs, but I like grandpire and will tune in if he's live when I'm at my PC. I'm also in for watching VoD's of his that are games I'm interested in, and it happens a lot because his game choices tend to line up pretty well with what I like.

>>40361240
>have female majority viewerbases.
Now go to their tweets and count the amount of troon flags in the replies.

>>40361294
Yes but thats twitter.
Most people don't use twitter.

>>40361240
>Why would you hire MORE people for the least profitable branch of the company?
The EN market is good, you have to invest into any business to profit of it. If they do nothing they are just letting it stagnate and decline.
Look at the ID branch, it had been a very weak branch for a long time but they invested into it with 3D models and then Moona put on an amazing show and suddenly people care about ID much more.
If Ame could somehow afford to set up a 3D setup on her own surely the biggest vtuber company in the west could afford it too.
At this point EN must have paid for itself already and generated a lot of profits, spending into the branch isn't wasting money, it's literally how business works.
JP doing well, making big profits and spending on cool events should be the business model, it should give you a clue that if EN doesn't do shit it's just going to keep decline.
I know Hololive fans think Cover is untouchable but even Nintendo once thought it was too big to fall and then Sony came along.
If Cover neglects the english market for long someone else might show up and claim it.

>>40355765
>allowing kronii and ame to self destruct
They what?

>>40361575
All true but you're forgetting. Cover is a Japanese company.
Japanese companies generally focus their attention on the Japanese market, there is little glory for them in the international market.

>>40360215
They said it anon, "Reliably stream"

>>40361715
Yes this is what it all boils down to. The big "why" behind all of this shit.
Cover is Japanese, they focus on their own market and they basically took a hands off approach with the EN branch and whoever they left in charge has been an incompetent lazy piece of shit.

>>40361575
Oh, Moona.
Looking to find a new Vtuber like her but more indie.

>>40361575
>Unicorn/GFE market is tapped out.
>Covid Tourists have moved on
>Fujos/Yumes are the future

Unlike Niji, Cover can absolutely tard wrangle their homos to be in line. No Reimu tier Yab to drive the sisters away.
The new wave is fully appealing to Yumebucks, TEMPUS brotuber market is something that doesn’t exist.

Covers focus right now is ID/Males.
The females are lazy and don’t stream, Myth might be graduating next year. Go watch Kawaii/Phase/Idol.

>>40361612
remember all the collabs between holoen and the stars a few months ago?
their fanbases complained about it and their response was basically telling them to fuck themselves
this wasn't good for their numbers and they could have prevented it if management had been in touch with them and given them some advice on how to deal with the situation to defuse it and let it slide instead of making it worse
Kronii used to easily get 15k to 20k and lately I've seen her struggle keeping 5k.
Ame was sent down to 3k unless she's having some sort of special stream

It's been 24 hours since the homo announcement. Numbers status?

>>40362138
I feel bad for them honestly.
Why do people overreact when they hang out with boys?

>>40362108
Yeah I think this is clearly their strategy.
They're willing to sacrifice HoloEN to push HolostarsEN.
If it pays off they will take that market from NijiEN and make bigger profits.
But if they fail to do that they will have two failures instead.
Personally I don't think they can catch up to NijiEN.
They are already too late to it, all the fujos are already on the Niji train.
Also consider that a lot of the fujo money comes from china, which happens to hate Hololive.
Brotubers were already a failure, if the fujobait holostars are a failure too HoloEN will be the only branch left with any potential and they ditched it for nothing.

>>40362183
They're averaging 0 viewers out of 0 streams

>>40362208
I want to scream at them. Hololive was the idol corp. EN is Niji but they don't stream.

>>40359439
You need to be at least 18 years old to use this website.

>>40362208
Same reason why people sperged out so hard when coca cola tried to make new coke.

>>40362531
Why are you here then?

>>40362208
people don't want to see guys when they watch hololive
people who do already watch nijisanji instead where this is very much the norm and an everyday thing
the hololive brand attracts people who want to watch girls and only girls
collabs with guys happen in japan like 2 girls once every 6 months, the EN collabs were like 4 guys 4 guys and it felt like they were happening every week for like 2 months
there's a slippery slope sort of factor involved, one collab is easy to ignore but when you see them starting to do them constantly in such a short period of time it starts to seem like that's going to be the new norm
at that point hololive is no longer hololive
it's just nijisanji with less cum jokes
it's not really an overreaction if you like hololive and want it to continue existing and some of the girls are basically betraying it and destroying it from within
it's reasonable and justified to call them out for it

>>40346378
In an ideal world, they would fire the entire bunch of current useless people and hire people with work initiative, but we know that all management will be left poking holes in the ship until the end.

>>40362583
So Tempus is "New Coke" and Hololive will introduce "Old Coke" to save EN?

>>40351931
>It's a company who's job
Whose, retard. And no, Cover is not just a firm divested of all but financial motivation. It is a social network for entertainers who support each other to make their lifestyles possible, long before it is a business run by marketing "experts" and "consultants". There is no hololive without the girls. Cover only exists in the first place for the girls, and if they sabotage their talents, their talents can end the company overnight.

Do not confuse the fact that money is earned for the point of the activity to be earning money.

>>40362407
Fujos USED to watch NijiEN.
After the Reimugate, Luxiem YABS, and Fulgur/Millies special relationship - viewership is at an all time low outside of Mysta/Luca.
VirtuaReal has the gigantic YAB so sisters aren’t gonna touch that.
Market is PRIMED for Cover takeover.

They couldn't even get 20k subs after 24 hours.

>>40362798
maybe their youtube accounts are locked too. ho ho ho

>>40362771
Well we'll have to wait and see how things play out.
If there was a time to attack, this is it. This is literally the best shot for HolostarsEN.
If they can't succeed right now they will never succeed and we can just call the entire branch hopeless and it might as well be closed immediately.

>>40362829
kek

>>40362583
If I wanted "new" holocoke I would just drink nijipepsi

>>40362710
>it's not really an overreaction if you like hololive and want it to continue existing and some of the girls are basically betraying it and destroying it from within
Wow, now that's very pessimistic.

>>40346515
>homos do stream.
Not only that but cover discovered how much money yumes spent. Expect more female oriented media from cover.

>>40346378
Choosing 8 homos who re destined to be mediocre and spit on a part of your audience, over 5 new girls that can instantly reinvigorate the other girls and bring in more new ideas. Its really a difficult decision, give them a fucking break.. from life

>>40362583
>>40362711
>>40362883
Why is HoloStarsEN being viewed as New Coke when it's clearly Sprite?
I don't see HoloStarsJP having this problem.

>>40362892
People have been nothing but reasonable. What happened to NijiEN is they started getting more and more raunchy, the chat dynamic was different, it attracted twitter cuck fetishist types.

>>40362798
Grim.

>>40362892
Am I wrong tho?
Picture Hololive in your mind, korone and pekora and marine and all the girls having fun.
Can you imagine hanging around them, girls and guys everywhere like it's normal? Surely not, because that's not Hololive. That doesn't happen in Hololive.
So we can say that Hololive is a place where there are only girls right?
So what happens if part of a branch is starting to collab with guys, bringing them with them and integrating them together.
What they are doing is destroying what Hololive is.
The "Hololive" that existed in the west, in english, would cease to exist if this is allowed to continue and become the norm.
Ame, Mori, Kronii, all of them and their nonstop male collab two months were destroying Hololive in the west.
If that sounds pessimistic it's because it is. Now put yourself on the shoes of someone who actually wants there to be a future for Hololive and you might understand why there was such a negative reaction to it.

>>40362895
Uproar guys are low 3views but make so much in Yumebucks that they got 3D live already.
Just like what the Gacha companies realized, a few whales is way more profitable than a large poor fat/kiddie fan base.

>>40363054
HolostarsJP aren't a thread to HololiveJP because the guys and the girls over there aren't trying to integrate the two branches into one.
There's nothing to get mad about because they both stay on their own lane.

>>40346378
>7 out of 10 of our girls arent streaming, and didnt stream most of the year! quick, lets hire more girls who also won't stream!
Is equally as valid (and retarded) a mindset for management to have as the one presented in OP.
People who cry for a new Gen reek of collabbeggar to me, just as god awful as homobeggars. Email Cover and shut the fuck up here, retard.

>>40363061
i watch chuubas because they are funny, i dont see them as gfs so i dont feel cucked

rather, can you explain why you feel cucked when male collabs happen?

>>40363328
I don't want a new gen, I want EN to close down.
Their revenue are going into hiring more homos so what's the point.

>>40346378
No and I no longer care. Already moved on from this garbage branch and if you're not a fan of this forced homo pushing you should move on too.

>>40363328
>lets hire more girls who also won't stream!
What a fucking retarded argument. Just hire girls that stream?

>>40363405
Then email Cover, retard.

>>40363373
Unicorn chads tried to warn you that simping to deceiving thots with avatars was a mistake. No flesh woman can live up to 2D.

What's this "brotuber" bullshit? 75% of Tempus is the three gayest faggots who ever lived, and Vesper's a low-t s*y creep.
Do you mean "bro" like "oh no stepbro I'm stuck in the dryer at the gay laundry?"

>>40363457
Yes, I'm glad that you could read the line that followed.

>>40363328
You're assuming EN3 would definitely be as lazy as Myth (most of Council is fine) which is a huge leap in logic. What's your suggestion, leave EN to fester with no fresh talent?

>>40363457
They then become girls who don't stream

>>40363463
Dear Yagoo, the west was a mistake, I want you to fire Omegay and reset EN.

>>40363203
It sounds to me like you're the kind of viewer who just doesn't like seeing your favorite Vtubers getting close with other boys so now you doom post in an envious rage.
You straight up accused EN girls of betraying Hololive and destroying it from the inside. How is that not pessimistic nice guy syndrome.

>>40363558
>>40363575
So what's your suggestion, never ever release another girl gen again since "they won't stream" and just stay with the current girls that don't stream?

>>40363631
That is correct. Unicorn chads warned this would happen. You didn't listen.

>>40363555
I'm not assuming anything. I said that that retarded take is equally as retarded as the one presented in OP.
>Ah yes our customers are angry at us for hiring homos, LeTs HiRe MoRe HoMoS!

>>40363532
they are bros, u probably just dont have friends which is fine but dont be a faggot about it

>>40363270
https://youtu.be/n-fzN8-i3Qc

>>40363270
>they both stay on their own lane.
They're all entertainers who work at the same job who like working with each other. They're already in the same "lane" to begin with.

>>40363734
Twitter bros being sarcastic but this time omegay fucked up for real.

>>40363532
Gen 2 has a character in gay bondage gear. No one believes that shit.

>>40363681
>Wait until the problem girls graduate or go to Vshoujo
>Release new wave knowing the shitters won’t mess up morale

Gura is too big to outright fire for incompetence.
Gotta wait until she leaves this year to join Nyanners, then you can debut a good wave with girls who WILL stream.

>>40363795
What a shitfest, they should have been marketed as mixed gender entertainers from the beginning not idols.

>>40363524
>>40363717
Unicorn chads? Never heard of them, but i am interested.

>>40363631
no you are just crafting a narrative of an imaginary person you want me to be so you can delegitimize the facts of my narrative
-hololive exists
-hololive doesn't have guys
-having guys around will lead to something that is not hololive
I haven't seen you actually deny this, so it sounds to me like you are someone that wants this to be the norm so you don't care about Hololive
why should your opinion matter?

>>40363681
That second guy ain't me, but look buddy. You're missing the point. I made a retarded strawman argument equally as retarded as the one in OPs image, and then SAID IT WAS A RETARDED ARGUMENT.
Cover will release the next Gen, EN or otherwise, when they're ready.
Stop making stupid fucking threads and email Cover if you're not happy with the current direction.
Is that more clear for you?

>>40363532
it's the homobeggar shilling tactic to try to get more viewers
literally no one believes that shit

>>40363755
you do realize what outliers are right?
they have a song that involves male voices, so they can have a male around
this is still a very small minority of songs, it has always been the norm and it's contained
this isn't a threat to hololive at all

>>40363532
You type like a faggot

>>40363956
The argument is that money that could have gone into EN3 rigging, designs, went into tempus.
Even putting money aside there was missed debut opportunity with HoloEN facing a stream drought during the holidays. This is a perfect storm that might kill HoloEN and we are excited.

>>40364035
They had more fun group collabs in 2 months than your awkward females had in 2 years.

>Inb4 I don’t watch Males
You don’t watch streams either

>>40364111
they have enough money for both dw

>>40359940
>BUT they'll increase overall viewership by appealing to an audience your kawaii animoe girls can't pull in.
All evidence shows the opposite has happened. The homos and EN viewership has dropped off a fucking cliff at the same time JP is hitting all time highs

>>40364162
They need to debut EN3 ASAP
But they won't because each debut cost over a grand.

>>40364159
You aren't gonna convince me to watch your butt buddies, sorry.

>>40363956
What's clear to me is that you're complaining about people talking about this problem and want them to shut up and "just email cover". It's a discussion, this place was made for this. Cover fucked up big time by not releasing EN3 sooner and releasing another male gen right after the first. Much of the drama could have been avoided by doing that.

>>40363795
I don't give a fuck what they like or want they are as you said entertainers and what they offer is an experience.They are all property.
Their names, their designs, their channels are all products that belong to cover and their only purpose is to provide entertainment.
And the entertainment that Hololive provides is cute girls, period.
This is what 99% of their content is about.
The existence of StarsJP does not threaten HololiveJP so nobody has a problem with it.
If HololiveJP actually tried to pull off the same shit HoloEN tried to do you'd see hell break loose like there's no tomorrow and you fucking know it.

>girls don't stream because they're always lazy
>men always stream because they aren't lazy
>please disregard the fact that they're 3views who got hired not even a year ago so they desperately need to work in order to attract more viewers because that completely ruins my narrative
>oh god no please don't bring up how Gura used to stream every day too I need my narrative to work please

>>40364202
>Correlation = Causation?

You a kid or a retard, did someone not graduate college?

>>40364223
People are mad but they probably have a reason. People want to think like they know everything, but no one here knows a single shit about running a business

They probably know what they are doing.
>probably
Sure, they could be retarded, but objectively speaking that's most likely not the case. Either way if you seethe over this you are kinda retarded.

People still think EN is a single management?
Stars does things separately from Hololive

>>40364319
What's the cause for nobody watching EN anymore? Hard mode: No "COVID lockdowns stopped" cope. Remember it needs to match up with JP hitting all time highs

Can't wait for cover to realize en viewers are as just bad as chinkbugs and just leave the market finally.

>>40364223
if they have enough money to funnel towards these projects like Hololive Alternative then they have money for EN3. Quit fucking worrying like some kind of woman.

>>40364111
The argument isn't money. Cover has fuck you money.
The argument is TIME. English management has to handle the entire process of casting people, filtering them and training them. This process takes time.
The time they spent preparing stars2 is time they didn't spend preparing gen3.
So even if they start working on gen3 now they will still take some more time to get them out.
Council is nearly a year old. The gab between gen2 and gen3 is going to be over a year and that's just fucking ridiculou.
Meanwhile stars1 and stars2 had a 3 month gap.
They delayed their already late gen even more just to rush this new gen.
That's the actual issue.

>>40363912
The one thing that people seem to forget is that from the begging Yagoo created Hololive to be a virtual idol business with ideologies and values that comes with idol culture.
This has come to bite them in the ass now that Hololive has started to change into something more than an idol business, especially with its talents, yet still have those idol culture ideologies and values still chain to them.
This goes double for the west where idols and idol culture isn't as big and is instead used to the more YouTube groups of friends just hanging together and having fun with much more laid back and playful ideologies and values compared to the more serious and savvy ones of idol culture.
What we are seeing now is what happens when the two different and opposing cultures clash in terms of both business and community.

>>40363945
Not part of your argument and literally only read this post because i'm lazy but
hololive has guys, and had guys interact with the girls. but that was moreso acceptable before Gen 3.
as much as you want to tune them out, the hololive girls and holostars have been part of the same company for going on 4 years now. i think the image of hololive is that they are a seperate experience, that on rare occasion crosses over for special events, with collabs dictated by thr image the individual holomem wants to make for their audience. and i dont think there's anything wrong with it.
i believe most of the decline in 2022 is the world going back to normal, people going back to work, not having the time or money with the crazy inflation.

>>40364366
Omegay is a retard. He hired 8 people nobody wanted, caused a rupture in the fanbase and now is bleeding numbers. Omegay is a retard and that's not debatable.

>>40364291
Gura stopped streaming due to mental health issues caused by management's emotional abuse.

>>40364558
Sure bro

>>40364319
>they'll increase overall viewership
not as retarded as the one who pulled this out of their ass, for sure

>>40364202
It's also that Gura, the leader of the pack for EN, hasn't streamed more than a handful of times over the last 3 months, and Ina who had a loyal subset of 5-8k on average just disappeared too. Almost like they needed to debut more women to cover more bases.

>>40364413
>What's the cause for nobody watching EN anymore?
have you been living under a rock, THEY STOPPED STREAMING, of course people gave up and lost interest

>>40364510
This shit show even hurt the guy's debuts. They fucked up.

>>40364616
I know you're baiting but I think EN is finished.

>>40364662
That's the thing I feel a lot of people are missing. This is absolutely awful for the stars too, it was NOT a good decision even for them.

>>40364630
Noooo…Gura can’t be a lazy whore - it’s gotta be the dastardly Management.
Management has to be locking Gura in the basement, so she can’t stream to her precious CHUMBUDS!

>>40364736
I'm not, EN is not finished, the girls are all doing fine but the vtuber boom ended long ago so it's never gonna be the same size it was.

Besides, with how lazy they are right now, it's no question why some of them are doing worse in terms of numbers.

>>40364542
Hololive and Holostars have never been integrated. Ever.
They have had interactions on rare occasions and they still do but there's a difference between Hololive and Nijisanji.
Can you understand that? Do you know how things are in Nijisanji?
Look at both companies and notice how one of them has guys and girls together all the time there's no barrier between them and the other one has such few instances of them interacting people need to point them out just to prove they exist.
The argument isn't that they never interact, the argument is that they are separated and don't normally interact.

>>40363945
>no you are just crafting a narrative of an imaginary person you want me to be so you can delegitimize the facts of my narrative
Well i'm sorry if that's what i'm doing nut your views are just that ridiculous.
>-hololive exists
>-hololive doesn't have guys
>-having guys around will lead to something that is not hololive
Hololive has grown to become more than just females and trying to limit it to that is just, well, limiting to say the least.
>I haven't seen you actually deny this, so it sounds to me like you are someone that wants this to be the norm so you don't care about Hololive
I have been denying this in every reply i gave to you. Now you're the one who's crafting a narrative of an imaginary person and delegitimize the facts of my narrative.
>why should your opinion matter?
Because i'm open minded toward men in Hololive and i think rationally.
And seeing as how you're pretty much the only Anon in this thread who has been posting multi paragraph doom posts about Hololive over something so trivial, why should your opinion matter?

>>40364630
HomoEN are at all time lows as well too though so that doesn't mesh with the idea that more of them will save the branch. HoloEN viewers mostly will not watch Homoshit so more Homo streams mean nothing. If HoloEN literally not streaming hasn't made people go watch Homo streams instead then how are more of them supposed to help?

>>40364839
I don't think he's defending Gura's lack of streaming dude, he's just saying people who watched Gura or Ina didn't move on to other Holo's when they stopped streaming, those people just moved on from Holo or possibly vtubers.

>>40364900
Gonna be honest; my first reaction when I saw this was one of disappointment, which is a real shame. I want to support the boys and be happy for their fans. But the timing of it just feels poorly thought out. Nevertheless, I’ll try my best to remain civil while still expressing my discontent so as not to spread any ill will.

I want to be clear I don’t dislike the guys. I think they’re great entertainers and don’t deserve unwarranted ire. I even watch them occasionally. But as a whole I’m largely uninterested in the holostars side of things compared to the girls. And I think that’s true of a lot of people, whether they’re creepy antis or just people with a preference for cute girls playing games. No big deal right? There shouldn’t be any problem in simply having a preference one way or the other. If you’re not interested you can simply not watch it and keep enjoying what you like. But it’s starting to feel more and more like that’s not going to be an option moving forward.

>>40364542
>i think the image of hololive is that they are a seperate experience,
If i may add to this.
Even the image of Hololive JP and EN is that they're a separate experience too, and the same can even be said for each individual member. So it's not just between girls and boys, but between countries and personalities as well.

>>40364936
>HomoStars has an audience that watches their streams.
>Hololive girls don’t stream.

Tough luck unicuck, giving these girls passive income was a mistake.
I don’t give a shit if you don’t watch Stars. Go improve yourself and watch a GFEcorp like Kawaii.

>>40364936
I never said it did faggot, I just said a lot of people, including me, quit because they got lazy and nothing to do with males. if cover could launch 10 million males and I wouldn't care as long as the girls weren't so fucking lazy themselves

>>40365044 (me)
Over the last 6 months there’s been a trend of the EN girls streaming less and less for various reasons. While it isn’t necessarily anyone’s fault, the fact remains that we’re currently in the middle of the biggest stream drought since the branch’s founding, averaging 1 or 2 streams a day for weeks. Meanwhile HolostarsEN has been doing fine all throughout. With only 4 people they’re already putting out more streams than all 10 of hololiveEN. It doesn’t feel like there’s any real need for new talent when the existing ones are still so fresh and new. And yet that’s what Cover has decided to go with, prioritizing it over the currently faltering branch that’s been waiting nearly 3 times as long.

To use a metaphor, imagine you’re a fan of a certain show but aren’t really interested in a spinoff it has. Even if you don’t dislike it and acknowledge that it’s well made, it’s just not your cup of tea. Then the original show goes on hiatus while said spinoff gets a new season announced. Now it feels like the show you originally enjoyed is being put aside for this new stuff, so even if you don't dislike the spinoff it makes you feel discontent.

>>40365136
>HomoStars has an audience that watches their streams.
rumao

>>40365136
>HomoStars has an audience that watches their streams.
No they don't. Half of them can't beat Pipkin fuckin Pippa

>>40365189
>n-not enough numbers, n-no audience

>>40365189
>>40365221

Remind me, what was the CCV for Gura this past week?

>>40365221
That's fucking grim. It'll be interesting to see all 8 of them have to fight over their 2k viewers though

>>40365044
Well it seems that all this stems from simple paranoia.
While i don't agree with you i do understand you. I myself get worked up over paranoia. Hell, i'm even still not over a lot of things due to it.
Is the paranoia justified? Who knows. Will it ever be vindicated? Who knows. But it's just best to at least not seem all doom and gloom.

>>40365221
thats unironically simply factually a lie tho

So I guess unicorns were right huh.

>>40365274
>Hmmm EN are lazy whores. What should we do to maintain viewership? Debut a new gen of girls or a new gen of homos that struggle to escape 3 view territory
Glad we agree Tempiss 2 was a mistake

>>40364900
>Hololive has grown to become more than just females and trying to limit it to that is just, well, limiting to say the least.
wrong, there isn't a single non female in hololive
the males are in their own branch called holostars
it has existed for years and there have been no signs of them ever merging into a single branch
limitations are the essence of being, if something does not have a limitations it does not exist
if you make a food dish and just throw everything you want in there you can't actually cook anything, if you try to play a sport but make no rules you won't actually have a sport
the limitations that make hololive what it is are essential to it
if you love hololive, you love that it is girls only, if you dont love this limitation you dont love hololive
if you are open minded to destroying something you are not fit to appreciate it
hololive is not for you
rational man, go seek nijisanji if you want to see how male and female vtubers interactin together looks like
there's room in this world for nijisanji and hololive to exist but if hololive is turned into nijisanji, where is hololive then?
>something so trivial
if males and females together was so trivial then people wouldn't be making a big deal out of it, hololive's entire marketing strategy wouldn't revolve around it, they wouldn't literally run two separate branches instead of 1 if it wasn't important
like holy shit how can you unironically act like having guys and girls vs only girls is the same shit?
do you also want men competing in women's sports? would you also masturbate to porn if it was just guys? I mean it's trivial right

>>40365236
>ten gorillion likes on twitter but not even 10% of them watches their streams
Yeah sure bro their audience sure watches them. Looking forward to their numbers being diluted even further by the second gen.
>>40365274
>b-b-b-but gura!
Rent-free as always, that's fucking hilarious.

>>40365274
Yeah, that's his point EXACTLY. Gura whole viewer base is completely free for the taking for MONTHS and yet they might as well be not even on the planet as the holostars. They're completely separate audiences.

>>40365168
>>40365323(me)
Yep, i understand. The same thing happened to me a few times.

>>40365168
>To use a metaphor, imagine you’re a fan of a certain show but aren’t really interested in a spinoff it has. Even if you don’t dislike it and acknowledge that it’s well made, it’s just not your cup of tea. Then the original show goes on hiatus while said spinoff gets a new season announced. Now it feels like the show you originally enjoyed is being put aside for this new stuff, so even if you don't dislike the spinoff it makes you feel discontent.

This is basically what happened. Vtubers are the reality TV equivalent of anime and Cover is the producer. They chose to hive holostars a new season and ignored hololive.

>>40355570
Deep down most people are only interested at the girls, they don't actually give a shit about the boys
At least this is true for the viewers of Hololive
They forgot that CGDCT is what make most people attracted to Hololive in the first place
But then twittards, ledditors and even some retards from here insist that the boys are good and start trying to push the coed school angle
It's a next level virtue signaling mix with some fags trying to destroy the muh toxic idol culture and some confused sheeps who only follow the loud crowd

>>40365430
>twitter
never meant a single fuck, how is that a point even

what i said was that it doesn't matter if you doesn't consider less-than-your-oshi "a real audience". Just don't be retarded and pretend their number are not an audience and that they don't give cover any money

>tempus will kill hololive
>they are syphoning resources away from the main branch
The unicorns were right in the end.

>>40364893
>Hololive and Holostars have never been integrated. Ever.
>They have had interactions on rare occasions
>The argument isn't that they never interact, the argument is that they are separated and don't normally interact.
Anon, that's what I said..

>>40365405
I don't have the time or energy to respond to this blog post so i'll just say this.
>the males are in their own branch called holostars
The two have been under the same umbrella for years so it's the same difference.

>>40365562
In 4chan, yeah

>>40348255
When the goodwill towards HoloEN died down will they finally debut EN3?

>>40365136
NTA but already moved on to Kawaii , so now what ?, bleeding viewers aint the gotcha moment you think it is, its almost like homobeggars real purpose its to ruin hololive and really dont care about homos huh?

>>40365694
Time loop won't work because Tempis is objectively hurting the branch.

>>40365694
Both Taco Bell and KFC are owned by the same company.
Guess I should start demanding KFC serve me chalupas too huh?

>>40365722
It's a woman thing, they manipulate men into fighting over them but have no real interest in the men. The twitter whales have irl chads to lust after, they don't need 2D girls.

>>40365825
just become a chad too anon

>>40346378
>Can holoEN management be fixed?
Yes, holoEN management can be fired.

>>40365770
Sometimes somel ocations will cater to your needs, yeah. They're called combination KFC Taco Bells. In your food analogy, those specific locations would be the girls that are okay with collabing males.
But to go to a girl that isn't like gura or kiara and demanding it is stupid, as thats not what they offer.

>>40365722
We don’t give a shit about Hololive.
It’s a separate branch, why would we care?
Tell your girls to stop roping the boys into collabs, that’s all.

>>40365873
I found Jesus. I have no need for thots wearing avatars.

>>40365949
If any of the girls really desperately wants to collab with men all the time they should quit.
Honestly.
It'd be better for the company to keep its integrity than them.
Nijisanji will hire them.

>>40365562
It's basically internet nice guys who pretend they're there to make friends with everyone instead of just the girls because that makes them seem less desperate and well-adjusted, but when the girls leave the party they don't hang around with the rest of the dudes, hence the low view and subcount.

>>40366005
Finding Jesus doesn't stop you from becoming a chad for yourself only, but sure go jerk off to him

>>40365961
We keep on telling them and we get banned for it.

>>40366057
To be honest I never watched hololive that's fucking cringe.

>>40351931
>The antis and the unicorns are the ones who keep are against them expanding.
Lets' try to have the JP do the same thing as EN and see the result
Dumping more homos and have the girls interact with the homos as much as possible
Don't be dumb, if you want the boys and girls experience without any separation just go to other companies
People come to Hololive for the girls only club type of thing
If anything, homobeggars are the ones who are against them expanding
The homos were never the answer to make Holo big
What EN need is entertaining girls with good work ethic and events

>>40365961
And you tell your homos to stop leeching then , where is the "live or die by your content " being put into action? despite being propped by Cover to hell and back the homos produced meh results at best and only at the cost of driving away audience who doesnt give a shit about homos , yeah i know you dont care about hololive and that's the problem, tell me something i dont know

>>40366174
NO, you're not coming back for EN3. Trust can only be lost once.

why does /vt/ likes to pretend hololive's audience is majoritarily from here

are you guys actually this retarded, or is it just pretending?

>>40366029
Okay so going back to your food analogy, any Combo KFC/Taco Bell should shut down because they taint the image and integrity of the pure KFC and Taco Bell on the other ends of town, despite the fact that they're all still doing business just fine? And it's okay, because we can just rebuild it into a Burger King anyway?
Sounds like a huge loss to a competitor for no reason to me.

idk how you fags keep complaining about being shoved homo stuff in your face when i literally do not ever see female holo related things ever. am i retarded for not caring about the stuff i dont care about?

This is my own opinion but I think there are far worse problems of mismanagement and culture differences than just being an issue of Holostars being less efficient than Hololive.
For me the main problem are the perpetual restrictions over their foreign branches, Westerners work in an highly different environment and have their own way to make their job, having a classic Japanese system (Which is already inefficient and have 0 meritocracy) and a roaster of western people only creates problems, stress and more stress. Hence the reason for some breaks despite technically being an "easy job".

>>40366336
>female
didnt u mean male anon

>>40365168
Good points, mikeap07

>>40348348
Now imagine if they actually streamed so Cover could see this metric. Your lazy whores have ruined it for everyone.

>>40366383
I exclusively follow tempus, and by that I mean only look at their schedule and streams, completely disregarding anything else that may or may not have entered my view, because I simply don't care, this includes starsjp because i'm eop

>>40366478
Paid actor

>>40366535
i fucking wish i was paid to ignore holopro talents, sometimes i get yt recommended songs and i think "thats nice" and move on

>>40366478
I'm personally enjoying the fire on the hindenburg.
You know your past actions also hurt tempus right

>>40346864
THIS. im a shotafag and i have to cope with annoying fucking women until an actual shota vtuber debuts. kyo kaneko debuting with that voice made me want to kill myself. i blew half my life savings on a shota in a gacha game recently as did half my friends and they still won't debut a fucking shota for me to blow my money on. fuck vtubers and obligatory fuck mori

>>40366623
then so be it. let me see magni say nigger on stream after playing overwatch again

>>40366586
I doubt your a tempus fan or you'd be worried too. They are hurt too.

There's simply no good female EN talent to hire, investing in men is just the better idea in the long run.

>>40366478
I started with HoloJP, moved to Myth but the inconsistent streams/energy burned me out.
Was watching indies when Tempus debuted, been watching them exclusively ever since.

Yeah we’re a smaller fan base, but so is the HoloEN fans after Covid. Now we get more content while this board burns I guess, idk.

>>40366664
>>40366677
>>40366706
Nobody has been hurt more by Omegay than tempus themselves. Fauna is gonna stream to her simps and Gura will earn royalties from her plushies.

>>40366036
>because that makes them seem less desperate and well-adjusted
More or less this
I don't understand their moral value sometimes, why would it make people not well adjusted if they only watch girls?
Is it a shameful thing and against moral value in society to only like girls now?
People aren't free to have preferences?

>>40366680
tempiss fags dont get that wether they like it or not, the dudes also gets hurt by this

>>40364531
Maybe the reason why Hololive had appeal is because people hated the circlejerk network cliche that is western streamers and that moving away from it is a move away from what made them popular in the first place. Kinda like how every other media that has attempted to appeal to the masses and became shit as a result.

>>40366801
I don't believe the trolls itt watch streams. In the /mans/ general they are pissed too.

>>40366297
Well at this point the food analogy doesn't work anymore.
You can have different food items served in the same place without jeopardizing each other but you cannot simultaneously have a "girls only company" and a "guys and girls company" at the same time.
It's simply impossible.
You either have Hololive or you have Nijisanji.
Hololive in Japan can have some contact with Holostars but it's very minimal and it has been kept minimal after years so there's no chance it will lead to them interacting more but the tone was completely different in the english branch. Over here they said "we're gonna do what we like and we're gonna keep doing it" which really means "we're gonna interact as much as we want". So they were pushing the branch towards being like Nijisanji.
This is why they had such a big issue and how they fucked up.
If they had said from the start that they'd limit their collaborations and kept them spaced out there wouldn't have been such a big problem.
There's a group of people who do not want them to ever interact but this is a smaller fraction of the group who don't want Hololive to just become Nijisanji.
They could have done a little bit of interaction but no they had to go all the way and this is what they got.
If you want to blame someone for all of this blame the girls themselves.

>>40366757
It's the onions boy initiative and it's been cultivated by companies in the west over the last 10-ish years. It's an easy way to control opinions and general view of media consumed for entertainment. Sweep anything bad under the rug, have rabid fans who will force false positivity at all times, and give them no real outlet to vent by 'controlling the narative' on any major discussion platform.

>>40359081
> Learn to ignore shit.
Retard, do you see any loud hate towards the StarsJP? We only ignore them
You need to fucking sit down and think why people are against StarsEN but have no problem with StarsJP
Not to mention, people have been asking for EN3 but they throw out StarsEN 2 instead

>>40366706
>no good EN female left to hire
anon, there are hundreds, maybe THOUSANDS of indies that would probably kill for a spot in hololive
if anything, it's managment not picking up the pace

Don't fall for the gaslighting from homoshitters.

>>40366883
NTA but even tho this is a fair point, it only is on the assumption their interaction is not minimal either

I think you people are just overreacting a lot. Sure, one or two of them (like Kronii) do it less than minimally, but 90% of them keep it very minimal

>>40367110
Yeah, but any good ones? I doubt it.

>>40359940
>BUT they'll increase overall viewership by appealing to an audience your kawaii animoe girls can't pull in.
You'll get drown in the spits of numberfags

>>40367171
Sure, you watched all of them

retard

>>40367139
No, the issue is they syphoned resources that could have went into debuting EN3 into Tempus. These debuts actually cost a lot of money and they couldn't have had both.

>>40367176
3K is bigger than 0, numberfags can’t count

>>40367230
I assure you money is not an issue for Cover right now

>>40366297
To use your food analogy I do not like cock in my taco and I am uncomfortable with people who are handling dicks serving me food. I would like a penis-free dining option because I am not a fag.

>>40346378
>homos
Your voices or complaints will never be heard if you use homophobic slurs in your messages. They'll ignore you and stubbornly strengthen their resolve against "bigoted antis." Think smarter. You gotta learn to play the game from the inside to make changes

>>40366866
About what?

>>40367171
The managed to get 8 faggots for tempiss so I doubt quality control was a concern

>>40367342

>>40364202
maybe if their EN bitches didn't disappear and actually streamed consistently then their numbers would be higher

>>40367291
This pisses me off because they have done nothing to deserve so much support. NOTHING.

>>40366706
As it turns out, unmotivated unemployed girls are not good long term investments in a job with variable earnings.
Gura's passion and blinders to her fans lasted as long as the big income and need for cash. She doesn't need money now and I'd expect a big cash-in graduation stream in a few months so she's super setup for life.
Ame shows passion for the tech side and whatnot, she probably has a good while left though enthusiasm in streams will drop
Kiara is well motivated as she wants the fame and loves holojp
Mori will work hard forever because she's trying to fill the hole in herself with work and strain
Ina will never escape her chinese overlords

>>40367524
My dude, it's not simply a matter of support

The moment you need to invest the most in any business is always at the start. They have to kickstart this RIGHT NOW and investing a lot now is the only way to do that.

Snowball effect is very real, it's a recurring thing and you are just seeing too much into it

>>40367397
Completely botched tempus debuts. This only proves genders can't be mingled.

>>40367688
Sure I want omegay to burn. I thought I was supporting yagoo's dream not twitter troons ownage of the incels.

>>40367714
How are the debuts botched? I don't get it

>>40367773
What are you even talking about, that's completely unrelated with what i said

Besides, HoloStars EN was Yagoo's idea and vision, he literall said so

>>40367139
Mori, Ame, Bae and Kronii have been part of multiple male collabs, Kronii and Ame told their fans to fuck off, Bae wasn't as direct but did say she'd keep doing them if she wanted. I don't recall comments by Mori but it's safe to say she doesn't give a fuck and would keep doing it.
Mumei was in one and went under the radar.
Only Ina, Gura, Kiara, Fauna and Irys haven't been in a male collab. And Ina was part of a cover along the stars.
That's nearly half the girls being openly pro Nijisanjiication with only 5 holding back for now.

>>40346378
no

>>40367838
We'll see their debut numbers but their sub count is looking dire. Reiterating I only hate omegay, tempus has nothing to do with this war on incels.

>>40367886
Sure, right when the Tempiss debut happened, some of them did more

Right now, the numbers reduced a lot. This just shows it's just a matter of wanting to help them out at the start. Check their channels on the last 2 months and you will see that besides 2 of them, they don't do nearly that much

>>40362208
If I want to watch a dude stream, I will watch ISP, Rimmy, or Moonshine Animations. When I'm watching Fauna or any of the other Holos, I'm doing it because I want to see an anime idol play video games or be an idiot. The fact I enjoy both of these things does not mean I want to see them together. I enjoy them for different reasons and in isolation from each other. ISP could get a live2D model tomorrow and I still wouldn't want him to collab with Fauna.

>>40368050
We should have gotten EN3 instead of Tempus2. I feel terrible for the guys as I don't think we're getting new girls until june or whatever.

>>40368122
i legit also wanted girls instead but i'm just tired of retards making this a bigger deal than it should be

>>40368183
This is an enormous deal.

>>40368236
For a retarded faggot, maybe

>>40346378
>move holostarsEN under the rest of holostars management
>transfer all active EN female talents into the main branch
>graduate the rest and dissolve the branch
>profit

>>40368265
I want vtubing to die in the west.

>>40368333
That's awesome dude, good for you

>>40367886
kiara had a collab with irl males
ina has been on hiatus for a while, we dont really know her position on males

>>40368050
This is very possible, but not certain.
There's no way to know because shortly after the Tempus debut and the nonstop male collabs everyone went into hibernation and the entire HoloEN branch went inactive.
So no shit, no more male collabs because there are no more streams at all.
We'll see if they go back to them later once the girls start streaming more regularly once again.
However even in this case we will never know what would have happened if there had not been a backlash to their collabs.
Maybe in another timeline Ame and Kronii weren't as passive aggressive towards their fans, there was a much smaller and weaker backlash and thus they never felt any pressure to stop doing those collabs and the other girls joined along an there was true Nijisanjification.
We don't know.
The fact that there was already a backlash already affected this timeline.
We'll just have to wait and find out how much they collab more in the future.
I don't think it's a question of "if" because I am confident they will collab again, just how often and whether the other remaining girls join them.

>>40367886
kiara talks to tempiss on twitter

>>40368377
Omegay is my greatest ally.

>>40368411
>passive aggressive
they were not passive. they were openly abusive.

>>40368411
I mean yeah, i agree it's a "maybe" in the end of the day

But more reason for not to shitstorm yet. I hope i'm right tho, i also don't want holo to become niji, i'm just saying that AS FOR NOW it's not

>>40368423
Everyone talks to a lot of people on twitter it doesn't mean shit.

>>40368476
It's up to you dude. You can be the guy that overreacted or the guy that underreacted.
Clearly a lot of people would rather be safe than sorry, they see the slippery slope that can lead to something like NijiEN and don't want to take the ris.

>>40368551
Overreacting on 4chan won't change a single shit anyway, that's the thing

>>40346378
Go back to making the branch about idols instead of streamers.

>>40368693
yeah, and only get /jp/ people watching you like phase does, surely it will be a sucess

It's not like this model only works in japan

>>40368756
EN only exists because of JP, which is idol focused content. EN only became popular because of the effort put in by JP talents.

If you want western shit, go to NijiEN or vshojo.

>>40368918
EN talents are completely different from the JP ones

JP talents put 100% more effort into voice acting, characterization, avoiding immersion breaks (in general)

HoloEN is a watered down version that is way more western than you retards pretend. It's just not lewd or political, that's all.

>>40369029
I don't disagree. But that's because EN management tried to water down idol content.

>>40369080
It has been this way since day one, for some reason /vt/ created the illusion that they were just like JP holomems

It's just how the difference in culture is, naturally. Sure, some western girls might tryhard to be like JP, but most of them don't, and that INCLUDES holoEN

>>40367171
Considering they passed over former idols and various very talented hard working vsingers, who cropped up in smaller corpos, then yeah there's plenty of good talent. Shame about HoloEN fucking themselves over to pander to homolovers (and not JP OLs like niji).

>>40369175
There's really only one person who is a JP in EN and that's Kiara. Shame about her menhera and subpar singing.

>>40369526
I agree with that, somewhat

She is certainly the closest to JP ones, but still, they are in general more character-ish

>>40368918
>EN only became popular because of the effort put in by JP talents.
Talent, EN exists because of Coco. Her being the most brash, least idol like of her co-workers and being a fluent English speaker paved the way for the EN branch. She provided entertainment, something the HoloEN girls did at first but that fell off a cliff a year after the branch debuted. Now it's all just pandering and doing just enough to sell merch and maintain memberships.

>>40368622
You are correct, which is why i keep stressing in this thread to Email Cover. If we're as loud as we think we are, i think a few thousand people emaling them their dislike of this direction may change things, but bitching and moaning here, or just taking random potshots on other platforms wont change anything.

>>40370067
fair

>>40370067
English emails most likely get automatically forwarded straight to Tranny-chan's inbox.

>>40370067
Everyone should report them for "slanderous acts"

>>40362407
>They're willing to sacrifice HoloEN to push HolostarsEN.
>If it pays off they will take that market from NijiEN and make bigger profits.
Hololive can't and never will win in the male vtubers market
Nijisanji is called Manjisanji for a reason
Most of the female vtubers in Niji is less successful than the male vtubers and Cover is the reverse
Cover should just accept their male vtubers can't be as successful as their female vtubers and stop trying to sabotage themselves by trying to push the side product instead of their main product

>>40362798
But >>40359940 said they will appeal to new audiences
Where's the new audiences?

>>40362892
That anon is a bit dramatic, but I kind of agree with him
Hololive has been marketing themselves as CGDCT vtubers, regardles of what they used to be in 2018 and 2019, they have decided to abandon that route and choose the CGDCT route which make them big
And people need to remember that the girls are the main characters in CGDCT and the boys will only appear as side characters at most that have little screen time
That's why people don't really give a shit about StarsJP existing, but management has been trying to push StarsEN as the main characters in this company known for their CGDCT