/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>40183949
no

>>40183949
Did she actually on the #1?

>>40183949
Go to bed

>>40183949
Did baby shark deserve its popularity? If yes, then yes.

As things were then? Maybe. She had a perfect mix of everything. Huge fast success just seems to make people crash and burn, in any field.

>>40183949
probably on the first few months of her debut, now I don't see anyone perfect enough to be called #1.

Kobo deserves it better

>>40184304
Nah, she found her own ways to fuck up.

>>40183949
>>40183972
She never wanted to be #1, and didn't have the mindset/ability to take advantage of her position.

>>40183949
She was never excited about hitting those big million milestones, why do you think that is anon?

>>40183949
I'd like if it was my Fox Friend because of her wonderfully big tits.

>>40183949
in her first 3 months when hololive exploded she was probably the best ENGLISH Vtuber (still B tier at best compared to the JP ones) but there was a void in the English audience and with the rona following the next year ppl stuck at home subbed to her as she was a novelty...

also she has nonstop kept getting worse and worse so right now no she does not deserve 1st place, not even close...

>>40184428
>>40184436
This, she never wanted to be #1. She doesn't want having these kinds of expectations set on her.

I wonder who's model her voice would fit if gura didn't join as gura.

>>40183949
most (dead) subs doesnt mean number 1

>>40183949
I'm not allowed to answer this question

>>40183949
yes

>>40183971
Who is the number one EN streamer?

>>40184526
She actually was the largest vtuber in terms of CCV for about 3 months after her debut

She is big, but not the biggest. Only #1 numberwise in Hololive.
And no, she does not deserve it. Same as most in the top 50.
There is lots of luck involved. You can be the most dedicated and always be a 2view or u can do a Sana and join the top 50 by merely having existed for a brief amount of time.

>>40183949

If by deserve you mean did she have the natural "it" factor and talent/personality then yes, but if you mean work ethic and desire to maintain it then no. She was one of the most subbed channels with an anime avatar even before vtubers were a mainstream thing, and that was just from posting a few low effort memes per year, so she clearly has a naturally attractive personality.

>>40191011
Gura's the biggest example of
lazy natural talent > hard work
and that generates endless amounts of seethe

>>40184436
>She was never excited about hitting those big million milestones
only japanese gives a shit about that.

>>40189933
>largest vtuber
No that's Mori

>>40183949
Lmao.

>>40189682
xqc

>>40183949
no
all you faggots just can't handle your fucking urges for cUnNy and rApE cOrReCtIoN

>>40192088
she was, until she hit her 1st million and her fans went to fbk and korones streams to rub it in their faces.
Embarrassed Gura was never really exited to celebrate milestones again and since then has hated her fans.

>>40183949
She never even had it?
Tf are you on about?

She got it because the YT algorithm pushed her and it's a snowball effect from there on. You can't say that someone who just debuted "deserved" to be the biggest Vtuber. There are mindless content farms that have more subs and views than any Vtuber. It's not a meritocracy. Anyone who pushes numbers here is a braindead moron.

>>40191997
I will never understand what natural talent you are talking about... She is just le retard girl with Reddit brand irony

>>40189682
Ironmouse.

>>40192717
>She is just le *random retarded buzzwords*
I can do that with any vtuber you like, retard.

>>40192113
>condom belt

>>40192717
She is actually a solid comedian. One classic example is her trying to steal a plane in GTA and failing over and over again in different ways with great comedic timing.

>>40192717
Most of it is her voice and how she leverages it
That's just an unfair natural advantage
That she's a decent singer and VA and is witty enough just compounds that advantage
That she was paired with a model that fits her perfectly is just the cherry on top

>>40183949
she went viral from a 5 second video
what do you think

>>40193097
>She does this thing that has been done before, but dude trust me she is a genius
Ogey Chumkek

>>40192935
>I am going to pretend that Gura never acts like a retard on stream
Ogey chumkek

>>40192113
Cookie does not count!
Her 15m subs or whatever are meaningless, because she does content for children.
Kidtubers are not real vtubers. Put her in a company like Holo or Niji, she wont even break 1m without the Kid-content algorythm. Why u think Cocomelon is the biggest channel on youtube? 3rd world parenting

Basically she was in the right spot at the right time with the right combo of traits.
It was luck. Bad luck as it turns out as she isn't psychologically equipped to handle her success or the situation she's in.

>>40193145
>You do not get it she is like every single white girl that imitating an anime girl on YouTube between 2000-2007, but she is actually an amazing VA and the same singing voice as white girls doing guitar covers

>>40193297
I didn't said she is a genius just that she is solid at improvising.

>>40183949
no.

>>40193696
Not sure why you're seething so hard
It's just a fact that Gura's greatest natural talent is her child-like vocal timbre
She's hardly the best singer or VA, but that doesn't matter with that voice

>>40183949
She's the only EN onpar with JP's best.

>>40192088
Yes please forget Kiara and Ame pushing hard for a million. It was cringeworthy when Gura got it without even asking for a sub once.

>>40193955
>t. EOP

>>40193515
I'm going to break your heart but the majority of vtuber and content creator subs are children/pre-teens. Everyone wants to pose like they have this cool, 28 year old average audience but it's bullshit. They are never watching ads. It's all kiddies lurking doing that shit.

>>40194175
>Kiara
Ah yes the one that went to be an idol in Japan from a young age is comparable to the Shark that has lived in USA for her entire life

She's genuinely funny, I can say that much at least. I love my Oshi, but she is nowhere near as whitty/funny as Gura is and anyone who says otherwise is iust blinded by their love for their Oshi. Her work ethic is shit for whatever reason and her lack of streaming makes me not like her because she's just letting her fans down.
Gura = Most clever/funmiest. Humor is an easy way to get people to watch you. Makes for good clips and you know if you only tune in for half an hour you'll get a laugh or two.
Mori = Most passion towards her interest (singing). Her drive to create music is insane and she's willing to put herself through the ringer for what she's passionate about.
Kiara = Most consistant/reliable. Almost never calls off streams, dedicated to the job and company she works for, bridges the branch boundaries very often, etc. It's kinda funny that her consistancy was put on hold for the JP trip given she's starting her streams 4-6 hours earlier than her normal timeslot and she's talked about the fact that she won't be doing a lot of them because off collab shit. It'll be interesting to see what happens to her CCV when she gets back.
Fauna = Best chill stream. Took over Ina's position in this, but even if Ina hadn't disappeared for 4+ months, Fauna took her space. She pulls people who want a soft, controlled, relaxed voice/experience for their stream viewing and gets a bonus bump from the ASMR coomers.
Obviously this is in terms of what HoloEN has to offer.

>>40183949
Remember when she was a promising singer? Yeah that was good half of a year.

>>40183949
most subs doesn't make her #1, it's all about views which would make pekora #1
that aside, yes she deserves it

Did she deserve it? Yes.
Did she want it? No.

Gura just wanted to be the loli side character in a group of friends. She's pretty lowkey and down to earth, and doesn't want clout.
She probably feels bad about a lot of things, like effortlessl stealing the spotlight from Kiara/Mori's hard work, and would rather they have the role of HoloEN protagonist.
All she wanted was to fit in, but she stands out. That said, she's being a a bit of a fag, because she could definitely try harder to pull her gen together and bond with other members of HoloEN. But she probably worries that it will affect the way the others are perceived and their natural growth
Stupid shark

>>40183949
Nobody deserves anything, she got what she got, that's it.

>>40183949
*EN vtubing
Yes. Her competition was pathetic.

>>40193696
Name someone better then, so we can all laugh at you

>>40192091
Kek

>>40192113
>>40194414
The difference is, Cookie had those subs before debuting a vtuber avatar. When we think of btubers, we think of vtubers exclusively. Pewdiepie has a vtubing avatar and btfos all other vtubers based on numbers, but we don't count him

she carried Myth

imagine if Council was just Mori, Kiara, Ina, Ame? vtubing would be fucking dead

>>40183949
Kinda? A lot of chuubas would die of ego poisoning, Gura took it in a really mature way until she got bored it seems

>>40183949
No, but the media chose her as the number 1.

>>40202159
Except Cookie uses her vtuber model exclusively now. Pewdiepie only uses it very rarely.

>>40183949
I will never watch en vtubers

>>40201967
This so much this.
She can't even get that involved with the others because a lot of her fanbase are a total bunch of twats who only watch Gura and get pissy if she interacts with anyone else.

>>40184436
She had already reached a million before

>>40202350
Ah yes, no more Twitchwhores putting on anime avatars would be so catastrophic
There is a fucking reason for whores jumping on it, since Gura showed that you do not need to stream consistently or avoid being gross to be successful

>>40184084
This anon got it

I won’t deny that it’s also timing and luck, but she has everything in the perfect proportion to success while conducting herself well on stream.

And look how there is no real drama or menhera episode from her, she knows how to handle things.

>>40183949
Say what you will about gura deserving her success or not, but by any and all metrics she deserves it more than mori deserves hers

At one point, yes. Up through the first half of 2021 she was fantastic. After that it's been a pretty steady decline.

>>40184692
But mori isnt number one

>>40203858
she should just graduate along with her friends

There's no thing as "deserving" #1 spot or any spot.

>>40183949
>#1
OF COURSE

>>40189682
asmongold

>>40183949
She deserved it for a hot minute after debut when she had the chance to be first EN vsinger but took the low effort route instead

>>40183949
Haha no, she is a walking mascot, the very basic level when you are new in this hobby. She lacks personality and dedication to be the number one in this industry. Also having high subscribers doesn't mean shit when the number of people turning in her stream is just so so.

>>40192478
>she hit her 1st million and her fans went to fbk and korones streams to rub it in their faces.
I remember that, was pretty based.

>>40201967
She just wanted to be an anime girl and hang out with her idols...

>>40183949
No. she is, at her best, mediocre. Any other girl with a decent singing voice in her position would've become the #1. The only thing she did was being in the right place at the right moment. And judging how badly she handled the spotlight and how unprofessional she is makes her even less deserving

nice thinly veiled anti thread OP

>>40193608
The luck cope is always the most brainlet take on it. She got hired by Holo because she built up a million sub youtube channel out of nothing. That's anything but luck. If you wanna talk luck, take it to Ina's cronyism hires for knowing the right friend circles.

>>40194175
Kiara Mori and Ame wanted the spotlight. Gura didn't. She just was (still kind of is) more entertaining with a better character model that appeals to most demographics. Pretty sure she would be happy with decent sub-count hanging out with her fans with no company pressure or responsibilty.

Not her fault she became the defacto mascot of the Vtubing. It just happened.

>>40206640
This. She was already a huge fan of some of the JPtubers. She even found people among her fellow coworkers from both JP and EN that are huge fans of HERS in return. Some of them were fans of Gura even before she was Gura.

>>40206979
Wasnt even close to a million when she was hired, to say that myth didnt benefit from luck is the most retarded smooth brain nigger take of all time,

no, only retarded shitter burgers wanting something of their own
fuck americans

>>40183949
yes

>>40207383
>one ex-idol who spent years working in japan
>one 6 ddigit sub meme factory
>one established well known artist with streaming experience
>one experienced trackmaker, artist, animator (did you forget she's an animator?)
>>>ame (who to her credit bechame the tech wiz of Myth)
>Holo JP already on a growth pattern thanks to Miko yab and other holo memes
>>>pandemic forcing everyone indoors and starved of human contact

For me that's 4 not-luck factors vs 2 luck

>>40183949
She's cute, I think so!

>>40208456
>experienced track maker
this is a lie

>>40208456
Coco also was already cultivating the EN audience and she heavily promoted Myth.

And before the Myth debut Gura was part of viral memes much bigger than her pl.

>>40184575
you actually believe her success was because of her model?
you cant even call her success a fluke because she was already at about a million subs on her other youtube channel.
she did that shit twice...

>>40211433
It really helps to be funny. She truly is funny and it went a long way with casual viewers. They aren't in it to obsess over one or two girls and they aren't in it for cute idol shit either. It's why you didn't see a huge increase in other's ccv when she disappeared.

>>40211637
sure. she appeals to a wider audience outside of normal hololive viewers and yes that has a lot to do with her success. Not sure what point you are trying to make with that.

Amelia is more technically innovative than her.
Mori puts out more music a month than she has in 2 years.
Kiara is more creative than her.
Fauna is more punctual and fan-considerate than her.
Bae is more GFE than her and speaks Japanese.
Even the males stream more than her, and have already done multiple off-collabs than her.

Don't call me an anti, because I watched her intensely when Myth debuted. She has a great voice and is funny. But streamers work on the same logic as regular YouTubers do with the added caveat of parasocialism: if you're not consistent, you will not remain popular with fans.
Maybe she has cancer, or some kind of bowel disease, or a condition that limits her, but unless it's progressive and didn't present itself 2 years ago, it just looks like a straight linear decline of effort over the past 24 months. Right now, she has nothing to offer over the majority of EN vtubers other than "haha it's the 'a' shark!!" And "uooooh ToT".

>>40183949
>Naturally funny
>uwu mastery max, the only chuuba that can pull it without me cringing myself to death
>Angelic singing voice

>>40212306
one of the big draws for me were her frequent actually GOOD karaoke streams and she is funnier than all of them.
as for her steady decline in streams It could very easily be explained by actual health issues like ulcerative colitis or crohns. I know this because i have ulcerative colitis. she could have been on medication for it, but the medication does not work forever and you have to find a new one that works for you, which takes time. if the disease is not being treated it does get progressively worse over time. of course i don't know what her problem is and she could just be fucking off, but i will give her the benefit of the doubt until i have a good reason not to.

>>40183971
Of course a korone fag disagrees kek

>>40212834
I assumed bowel issues because of her repeated mention of difficulties with travel and diet (I don't have anything severe or IBS, bit I've been in the situation of heat stroke stomach sick on road trips or plane flights, not fun), but it doesn't seem like she really worked to improve her habits, like eating an entire bag of laxative-tier sugar free candy.
If she said she had to have an operation or specialists for "vague stomach related-condition" and would be gone for 10 weeks or something, people would probably be spinning less rrats and calling her lazy. But she's totally opaque in terms of her person.

>>40183949
lmao no and she knows it and that's why she's trying to get fired. She made a fortune already anyway and she had enough fun too, it's time to settle and take care of the child that's arriving soon.

>>40201967
It’s a bit too late to let myth grow on their own, a massive chunk of their audience is due to her constantly shilling them. Mori is probably the best example, during her collab spam with Gura it was the fastest her channel has ever grown and then after the off collab her growth dropped dramatically.

I respect Gura for taking the initiative to do her own thing now but alienating her Gen is having a negative effect on holoEN as a whole.

>>40213080
According to Fauna everyone gets along very well.
I dont think Gura is alienating her gen. I haven't noticed anyone in myth doing collabs apart from the occasional Chad Cast with Mori.
Mori is ALWAYS busy. Kiara is afraid of the Chumbuds, Ina has been taking a break, Amelia was also taking a break.

>>40183949
No and even she admitted to it. She beat herself when she was the first holo to ever reach 1 million subs, even before Fubuki.
Gura was blessed with many thing
One, she knows her way around the internet because she grew up in it
Two, her model
Three, the time in which she debuted, more people were discovering vtubing in general and well, EOPS couldn't subsist on Coco alone.
Overall, she's a bunch of wasted potential, but n her defense, I doubt she ever wanted to get as big as she did. Perhaps she wanted to do shit like she did in her old channel and get paid for it, but nothing more than that.

>>40189682
lucy

Gura is the absolute best and I love her.

>>40189682
Xqc

>>40203104
If u decide to use a dress starting today, u not gonna be a woman.

>>40184084
She crashed because of her own stupidity and now she's burning. The scars will never heal.

>>40213722
Yeah I think she's gonna be the first member of myth to graduate.
And realistically I think the only reason she hasn't just up and left is because Cover management keep reminding her of her contract. She's a yank, so in the US courts employers can basically do whatever they want so long as its in the contract.

>>40214408
don't hololive contracts get renewed on a yearly basis? If she was going to graduate then it should be happening soon

>>40214738
I think it depends but we know the initial contract is one year.
She might have gotten roped into a longer one due to her popularity.
Either way. She may be ditching soon.

>>40214818
>>40214738
>>40214408
You are coping and delusional
Gura will not be graduating anytime soon

>>40214738
Her contract started around June 2020 so that should be the expiration month. It's possible she will announce the graduation date during hololive fest in March, even if she doesn't participate to the fest it's possible she will still make a tweet about it around that time because there's not many chances during other months for big announcements like this.
I'm sure her 2023 birthday stream will also be her graduation stream. I will finally be free.

>>40215248
>I will finally be free.
I mean hope she doesn't graduate, but if she does and does not become senzawa again or create a new persona i would also probably drop vtubing all together.

>>40214977
>ditches rainbow trident celebration stream
>and the 3 years membershrimp icon project
>acts distant and depressed
>streams less and less
>goes on hiatus
Learn to read between the lines.

Did she "deserve" #1? Maybe not. I don't think that makes her "bad" or anything though. I don't know if anyone really "deserves" the #1 slot, there isn't like a "Michael Jordan of Vtubing" who's standing above everybody so clearly that they "deserve" #1.

Gura definitely is in the top 10% of all Vtubers, I mean shit, she was already huge as Senzawa. Getting that big as an indie shows she had the sauce. And then she goes corpo, and still, she has the best comedic timing of anybody in HoloEN by far. It's not even close. She's a good singer too which doesn't hurt. She moderately tried to lean into her theming too, unlike almost all of HoloEN.

Her work ethic is trash but when she shows up she is better than most.

>>40215363
This is kind of the problem with Guras fanbase.
Most of them are only into her.

>>40214977
why do chumbuds always act like it's such a huge win that she won't quit, she'll just jump in for cash streams three times a year like an ayame

>>40215417
She boomed only because she's the only EN loli and because she speaks English, it's all thanks to Cover and their existing audience if she got this big. EN without Mori would be the equivalent of JP but English, the rest of EN only looks bad because Mori's presence is all over it. Gura is average and uses pitch shift anyway, it's not even her real voice 100% of the time.

>>40215438
thats not really true at all in my case. I watch/payfor a lot of different vtubers between hololive, nijisanji, vshojo, and phase connect, but if my ohshi completely quits then im done.

>>40215438
Yeah because the rest are a bunch of eyesores and whores.

>>40215654
correct, gura can't be an eyesore if she doesn't stream. she's schroedingers pure vtuber, she's angelic to you guys because she's literally gone

>>40215654
Gura is on hiatus because she's pregnant. Wake the fuck up chumtard, your oshi isn't any different from other women.

>>40183949
She ignored Tempus so she deserves it the most in EN

>>40215739
who is your oshi and how did she hurt you?

>>40215817
just because she's good at acting "pure" for you retards it doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't get creampied every night.

>b-but muh kayfabe
Literally mental illness.

>>40215903
You don't get it. This hobby is not for you. It's for mentally ill loners.
Go back to watching 3DPD.

>>40215438
thats not really a problem though.

let the casuals piss in their own pool and leave others alone

>>40215739
Idk why i keep hearing that gura is pregnant. She's got some disease or something right? you are delusional and cuckpilled

>>40184084
This. The perfect mix of cute and funny.

>>40191997
Imagine if one day somebody with the natural talent AND a strong work ethic showed up. The Ultimate Lifeform.

>>40214977
Coping with what you fucking dipshit? Do you honestly, earnestly believe that we can't fucking tell something's come up in her life? That if anyone begins pointing out patterns, they have to be some sort of anti?
She doesn't need to take breaks from streaming just to have sex or whatever, she most likely already has more money than what she knows what to do with, but she doesn't stream, even thought she loved it, even thought acting silly as an anime girl might've been her teenage dream.
If she graduates, at least she won't have to stream for fags like you.

>>40183949
>deserve
Not relevant unless she starts bragging about being the greatest. She just did as she did and it worked out.

>>40216776
Those people don't become vtubers, they become prominents of their field and society.

Vtubing is from rejects to rejects, I guess that's what makes it great.

>>40216069
Every time Gura says or does anything that makes you think she's a pure idol or even a virgin you would boast about it for days and now that people are realizing she's just your average thot you pretend to be a kayfabe retard that doesn't care about the virginity of his oshi's VA?

>>40217655
You don't get it. I will not elaborate.
Also, learn to use punctuation. Your post reads like having a stroke.

>>40217566
Thats my take on it. like my life is already doomed, but i can help my oshi get somewhere.

>>40183949
Gura has natural talent but absolutely no drive. Being handed immediate success by Hololive fucked her up in the long run, as she may have honestly become a better vtuber if she had to work her way up as an indie.

>>40217882
i think you are forgetting that she was an indie and she still had the same work ethic

>>40217745
Your post reads as:
>I'm a cuck and I'm proud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wajDKhtL2gk

>>40183949
Yes. Hope that helps.

>>40217925
A very successful one as well

>>40217355
Nijisanji member Iluna you're not fooling anyone

>>40183971
FPBP

>>40215363
I don't think her becoming her past self or a new vtuber model would help at all. It would show that she has no real internal drive and she will continue to limp along like she has for the last half a year + and just how she did in her past life. Do you really want to dedicate your time to watching someone who has no drive?

>>40221350
I highly doubt she'll come back to streaming. Her fame has basically killed it for her.

>>40183949
Gura is hands down the best vtuber- whether she has the work ethic to sustain relevance, I don’t know
I personally believe the virgin stuff is LARP because she comes across as an experienced lover in her famous ASMR VOD, but it wouldn’t completely surprise me if the Unicorn stuff was real. Maybe 20-30% chance?

>>40183949
Yes.

You can argue about her being a lazy and uninspired streamer but she came in with some serious skills.

She could hold a tune better then most other vtubers, her comedic timing was great, and it was a drama free relaxed atmosphere.

She didn't have to rely on sexualizing everything.

>>40222723
Yeah Gura is an incredibly talented streamer: there’s lot of people in here acting like her fans being casuals isn’t to be expected with your breakout star in a new market. American culture heavily emphasizes masculinity, but Gura was able to completely dominate everyone’s attention anyways without evening needing to lean all that hard into GFE

>>40202159
>The difference is, Cookie had those subs before debuting a vtuber avatar.
Wrong. She was at 11.5m when she debutet.
She grew 5m while exclusively using her model.
If you ignore her numbers from before her debut, then she grew just as much as Gura did, but in 1/3 of the time and she is nowhere near slowing down her growth. Cookie will reach 20m this year, 10m while being a vtuber. She is #1. Just accept the facts.

>>40193515
>Implying Gura isn't content for kids

>>40214035
We are talking about online avatar, anon.
I can be the queen of britain if I want it.