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>>39806421
>>39808957
>>39810069
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I just went out for lunch and it died!

I'm still doing my reps of the threads and guides before I try to write something and post it out here, but, I feel inclined to ask. What happened since last time I visited? It seems like one of the writers almost left due to some storm I missed, is that anon alright? I think you call him "hagbro" from the /hag/ general. I also think I saw him in /hag/ as well, feeling down about something that happened.

>>39846650
Yea, we explained the situation that lead to him leaving, and he seemed happy to come back after we told him that people never hated him or his lore. Tho since we had quite a comfy little reunion last thread, it led to one of our schizos going nuclear with a report spree, so he might have caught a ban for it. I and some others got a timeout for avatarfagging at the same time.

>>39846813
Oh, that sounds upsetting and painfully similar to something that occurred in my home general as well! So it was *that* kind of schizo infestation the one you guys were talking about? I can't say much but send my condolences, I also strongly believe it was thanks to that cursed storm that caused our general to be so slow afterwards, but thankfully its healing slowly, or atleast I think it is. I'm glad though, that he's decided to come back to writing, I hope he's doing well, he seems like a nice fellow with what I've seen myself.

>>39847195
Tbh, our own schizos are pretty tame most of the time, save for trying to deny any lore discussions. This was the first time I saw someone go this hard after an anon here, to the point of falseflagging as one of us in /hag/ to pester him days after he left. But yea, hagchad's great to work with, hope you two get a chance to work together as well in the future!

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>>39844950
https://rentry.org/Tourist-Guide-to-Risu
Place under a section called "Risu Intro" and make an new section called "Lore Docs" where the lore docs can go. Everything else under Risu lore can stay in "Lore".

A lot of changes have happened to Risu as lore has been fleshed out, and this tourist guide to the states that make up the Confederation should be useful in understanding. I think many of the timeloops come from a lack of knowledge, which I accept as my fault. Hopefully, this can be used to get everyone up to speed and also be a solid foundation from which lore and stories can be made from.

>>39856351
>northwest and northeast Risu are getting more stuffs
>we got more islands
Whoa! Nice work war! Agra really describes just everyone in the risu thread haha. and gatupan lost the persian stuffs...
>Paus
Ahhhhh!! Does that mean our rishama stuffs are outdated?!
>hermes
isnt our capital Flora? Oh and I kinda proposed another name the other week. the Squirrel Kinhood (Pertolanan Tupai)
Other than that I love it! Wait is brent rambo still canon?

>>39857301
Ok let me clarify
>I got rid of the persian stuff since it felt wrong.
>Paus
Yeah, unfortunately I did some reps and the word didn't quite make cultural sense so I went with High Priesthood and Paus. Check out Rajabasa for more info: https://rentry.org/Council-of-Rajabasa
>Hermes
Ok, so I thought about some things and realized that as things stand with how loose this is, it would be unwise for one nation to have their capital being the national capital, so Hermes is the Centers capital. I can change that to the name as well btw.
>Brent Rambo
No...Cunt has that as non-canon.

Also Ri2ner, I have been working hard on trying to emulate our thread and Risu. I really think as a whole, Risuners are Apathetic and Xenophobic so it only felt right to try to show this more. I would assume many of the city folk are xenophiles while other tribes are less receptive to outsiders. What do you think?

Also, the protectorate is being totally reworked to last 11 years (1114 to 1125) to make more sense of it as well. Mepman wrote a timeline from /mep/ pespective (up for changes)
https://rentry.org/do4ye

Here is the start of my timeline on it:
https://rentry.org/487a8

Two lore pieces from the Protectorate Era!:
https://rentry.org/Ceres-Liberation-Day
https://rentry.org/From-Agra-with-Love

And finally, I wrote some things for OG that he overall approved.
https://rentry.org/675vv
Basically, its trying to make sense of us in low fantasy.

If you have any questions, shoot them at me. I want your feedback and in particular your ideas for the Centre.

>>39858151
Map updated as requested.

>>39858151
>I did some reps and the word didn't quite make cultural sense so I went with High Priesthood and Paus
I see... what do you recommend as a new name for my rentry?
>it would be unwise for one nation to have their capital being the national capital
so like, separation of administrative, legislative, and other components? understood!
>I can change that to the name as well btw
no need. it fits with the other names like ceres!
>Cunt has that as non-canon
(◕︿◕ ) rip
>emulate our thread and Risu
>Risuners are Apathetic and Xenophobic so it only felt right to try to show this more
>City folk are xenophiles while other tribes are less receptive to outsiders
acceptable. but we mostly just talk about Risu all the time
"Where risu? I want risu!" "SEX WITH RISU!" "Good work Risu!" "Risu voice! Risu fluffy tail!!" "STROKING FLUFFY RISU TAIL AND CUMMING IN HER BUTT"
can this be translated into zealotry? fundamentalist?
>the protectorate is being totally reworked to last 11 years (1114 to 1125)
11? thats barely enough for a young generation to grow up under foreign influence
>https://rentry.org/675vv
Oh my... no more teak. so only our trees grow fast because of nitrate? darn. I thought we have chuubanite magic soil
>In particular your ideas for the Centre
Sure!! what do you wanna know?!

>>39859398
>I see... what do you recommend as a new name for my rentry?
I am sure you can find a good name for High Priesthood
>so like, separation of administrative, legislative, and other components? understood!
Umm, not quite. Flora is the capital of the Confederation of Risu (What holds all the states together.) while Hermes is the Capital of the Central Confederation. The reason Flora is seperate is because that would likely be a term since I doubt that all the others would be happy with one nation's own capital being that of the Confederation if that makes sense.
>no need. it fits with the other names like ceres!
KEK, I'll Change it back
>(◕︿◕ ) rip
rip...
>acceptable. but we mostly just talk about Risu all the time "Where risu? I want risu!" "SEX WITH RISU!" "Good work Risu!" "Risu voice! Risu fluffy tail!!" "STROKING FLUFFY RISU TAIL AND CUMMING IN HER BUTT" can this be translated into zealotry? fundamentalist?
I think it can be quite well, Moonafic did something similar with his ideas (moon is horny too) and perhaps this can be litegury used during religious services. There are plenty of routes here so if you have ideas, I would love to hear them.
>11? thats barely enough for a young generation to grow up under foreign influence
This is true, however the issue is that Infinity would need to come out of isolation sooner which cannot be fixed. What I am doing however is trying to provide real reasons for the ties to make sense such as through Agra. We can think more about this as I agree and that's one of the reasons I turned it from 1 into 11.
>Oh my... no more teak. so only our trees grow fast because of nitrate? darn. I thought we have chuubanite magic soil
Unfortunately, tropical trees don't grow in our area. As for the nitrate, that just increases the fertility of the soil so we would get higher yields. The trees are likely going to be spec bio ones that grow faster and I thought it made more sense in that regard. On the soil, the problem about it overall is that we Risuners are lazy like our oshi. I cannot imagine us ever wanting to do more than what is required and if the soil is 3x, that's 3x the work right. I also am not sure how plausible "chuubanite soil" is given Chuubanite's radioactive tendencies and thought that instead of just using magical soil, use Nitrate, which is extremely good fertiilizer and something we can make way more money off of than just food. Does that make sense to you?
>Sure!! what do you wanna know?!
Overall, I wouldn't mind you writing about the government in more detail. I get the system completely, but details are always needed so starting with government would be wise imo. I think that there would be conflicting interests so maybe this is a good chance to show that. Also, the mhm rep is very knowledgeable on guild based economics if you want to get in touch with him over it.

Thanks, appreciate seeing you around and wish you were around more kek.

>>39844950
Note to self: archive /ybc/'s flag and map once catbox is back online

>>39860313
It's back up for me btw bro. You can post it here and I will upload it and give it.

>>39860352
It is still down for me, unless my internet is crapping out. Regardless, the posts are >>39743626 and >>39793536.

>>39860352 (me)
nevermind, shit went down instantly.

>>39844950
https://rentry.org/5w66x
Hag climate, I forgor to anchor a while ago...

>>39860408
>>39860313
Weird how the universehas a fixation with fucking with us so often

>>39860996
Quite. Naturally, i blame the j*nnies.

>>39860216
>I am sure you can find a good name for High Priesthood
Alrighty!
>Flora is the capital of the Confederation of Risu (What holds all the states together.) while Hermes is the Capital of the Central Confederation
Whoa, so we have like a confederation INSIDE another confederation!
>There are plenty of routes here so if you have ideas, I would love to hear them.
generally we dont talk about other chuubas unless theyre brought up. but theyre talked about positively
LOTS of image dump. So that can be analogous to the artistic renaissance?
Uhhh... constant live chat during streams = festive and high temple attendance?
>We can think more about this as I agree and that's one of the reasons I turned it from 1 into 11
What if the protectorate ended but they are still allowed to do private businesses with tribes? it can explain the trades, new schools and guilds, recruitment drives to become adventurers, merchants and sailors
>Does that make sense to you?
I see... how about we plant the seedlings in the middle of a glyph to accept more nitrate? that would work right?!
>but details are always needed so starting with government would be wise imo
Noted!
>mhm rep is very knowledgeable on guild based economics if you want to get in touch with him over it
is he around right now?
>Thanks, appreciate seeing you around and wish you were around more
Thank you thank you!! sorry if you missed me. lately with all the bad anons making fun of us I'd just focus more on my job. i try to lurk and keep up with any lore updates like right now!

>>39861495
>Whoa, so we have like a confederation INSIDE another confederation!
Yep, KEK. We technically have three, considering the Triple Alliance and the League of Emporium are "confederations" effectively.
>generally we dont talk about other chuubas unless theyre brought up. but theyre talked about positively
True, I would also add that ID chuubas are treated extra well.
>LOTS of image dump. So that can be analogous to the artistic renaissance?
Many threads do this, but I think that is a reflection of the culture of /vt/ and it makes perfect sense!
>Uhhh... constant live chat during streams = festive and high temple attendance?
Yes, I would also add that Risuners are apathetic outside of this somewhat, perhaps we can portray this somehow albeit we both know that Risu herself isn't that committed anymore as she has said.
>What if the protectorate ended but they are still allowed to do private businesses with tribes? it can explain the trades, new schools and guilds, recruitment drives to become adventurers, merchants and sailors
I am assuming the following:
>Infinity's garrisons and military assets are withdrawn over a period of time
>Businesses and Colonists stay and are protected.
>Naturally this leads to what you want I think.
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>I see... how about we plant the seedlings in the middle of a glyph to accept more nitrate? that would work right?!
hmmm, idk, Nitrate works just fine the way it is. I also think that Risu, who to me is a chaotic chuuba, should be manifested more in that form with chuubanite with the destructive weapons that are seen in From Agra with Love, but let's talk with OG about that.
>is he around right now?
I can get him, if you have any questions, be sure to ask. Not a bad idea to read his lore doc since his nation is practically a nation of guilds. I know he plans in Risu to help out this, so maybe his people can help with the establishment of guilds since idk if Infinity is really about that or the others.
https://rentry.org/lusitania#economy This will help with guilds, likely
https://rentry.org/lusitania#government We might find inspiration from his government in some ways.

I'll get him if I can.

>Thank you thank you!! sorry if you missed me. lately with all the bad anons making fun of us I'd just focus more on my job. i try to lurk and keep up with any lore updates like right now!
Understandable, I work as a editor and writer for a newspaper so its easier for me to get stuff done. As for the shit talk, Let them talk about us all they want, we have work to do right? You are a valuable member of /risu/, as is OG and myself. I am proud of us, and take pride in how it is shaping out.

>>39861495
Ri2...

hey ri2ner, i am the mhm rep and happy to help. before you ask me questions, i simply want to understand what you have in mind. i have read the lore and have ideas but i like to hear your ideas first.

>>39862605 (me)
also, if you wish, i basically have a risuner trip voyage in mind where you guys come, see our society and wish to have it back home so you cousin of the king, João, offers to come to Risu and help you guys set up.

>>39862605
Hi, Meprep! if it's about the centre's guild economy, here are my ideas

1. each tribal clan/community has their own guild that they use to do business with.
So in the central confederation, these guys are inspired by foreign influences and so far the big three that kept coming to risu (mhm, mori, infinity) have been in some parts decentralized. Ive said that each clan has the freedom to conduct business with whoever they want, foreign or local, without the intervention of the priesthood.

2. cottage economy.
Across the confederation there are farmers, foragers, fishers, miners, artisans, carvers. Each of them will have a role within each clan's respective guilds. each family is functionally a mini-production. a family can focus on foraging, making clothes, cooking food, pressing paper, crafting wands, ie and send the produce to the clan's guild.

3. The confederation need some unifying elements so that each clan behaves properly.
The clergy would own the infratructure, schools and temples so everyone gets basic needs. the guild system should be one of them.

I need help to formalize this system. your idea is great too!
>Set up into guilds focusing on the decentralization of the means of production into the hands of families and small businesses. Sustainability and communal wealth. Laws against monopoly, large business and abuse. "A Society of Artisans" is a common term used to describe the Lusitanian economy.

>>39864618
i am actually ela's rep kek. ok so i think you have great ideas, but you need some polish. i firmly believe that you would have regional governments above the local governments, since you wouldn't want disputes to go to hermes right? warsuner made a map that shows the "division of power" in the confederacy into areas that you can think of as either regional government, or the main regional tribal governments. n

now, the first 2 are perfect but i think you need some guys, likely foreigners, that come in and help set up the system. i am prepared to send the cousin of the King of Lusitania, João, as one of these guys. now, i haven't worked out the reason why but he can be the one who helps set up the economy and governmental structure. other can be included, such as i know in artemis there is another guy, a pomeranian noble that was granted the land and developed into a hub of science, and you can get some kronies, deadbeats etc.

i will work out the trip with og later, but i also think that most people aren't going to be doing things as saints right. nuts as payment isn't going to work for say a man like João or many people, so what i suggest is giving him some land somewhere where he can be the "representative" of hereditarily (because he is a noble). it would be a nice gift to a founding father of the centre, but also give a reason. same thing with some others, they need reasons and we can figure that out.

more reasons, you are bordered by someone who likely strikes fear into you (joyo cahya), and for the west especially, Agra is the boogeyman. that is a good reason and with the right men in place, its possible to get them to work. we also have church and state work together btw.

>>39862794
>>39864977
>am actually ela's rep kek
sorry. I forgot you guys existed... I saw m and thought of our neighbor
so a noble will come and help us? No problem! that would be a great way of explaining the transition and implementation. Just how would it be done? low level with the clans or upper level with the head?
>nuts as payment isn't going to work for say a man like João or many people, so what i suggest is giving him some land somewhere where he can be the "representative" of hereditarily
like a german junker? as for the nut thing, im having trouble trying to transition into proper currency. Cultural heritage is an important factor in the risunaissance economic reform. thus the guilds and focus on home businesses. How would a currency maintain heritage while transitioning to metal money? harvest standard? (￣ω￣;)

>>39866204
>implementation
well it would be organized by "tribes" regionally meaning the people of the same culture language and shared heritage. i personally do not think there are actually 200 different tribes in that area, and i am not even sure about all of risu itself. so what you would have is the localities maintain their autonomy, but more important stuff gets pasted up the line. guilds would operate on a regional level in principle, but also have nationally. let me illustrate this
>local
most decisions that really don't need to be done by a regional government. locals know best for themselves most of the time
>regional
resolving local disputes, and made up of representatives from each clan or village. this is where the guilds also are organized since you would want craftsmen from say, demeter and kenkerto to work together as one.
>national
roads, national defense and diplomacy.

basically think like that. we are organized like that so you can take inspiration from us. you probably want an executive too, but how they are elected and their powers can be up to you.

>like a german junker? as for the nut thing, im having trouble trying to transition into proper currency. Cultural heritage is an important factor in the risunaissance economic reform. thus the guilds and focus on home businesses. How would a currency maintain heritage while transitioning to metal money? harvest standard? (￣ω￣;)

you are correct about currency. i would recommend having coins with nuts emblazoned on them to show the heritage and name them after the nuts used as well. (i would say have them in the shape of a nut, but that would be hard to make even today...) the transition is hard, warsuner for example is paying for a lot of things with loans and futures. for you, you can have nuts set like a fiat (inside the confederation, i doubt merchants would accept) for now where the currency has a value set on it by the national government (when i say national i mean the centre), like acorn one unit of value, walnut two, brasilnut 100, etc. also, things such as corvee labour, tax exemptions for a period, etc can be used.

in the end, this is a lot easier than it sounds and the foreigners will be the way of the future for your confederation as founding fathers. does this make sense?

>>39844950
https://rentry.org/36ak8
put this under risu character sheets please.

Big brown space titties

Ri2ner no!

Ey yo lunaito you around?

Damn. Rip my nigga ri2ner.

>>39870839
always

>>39870506
Hello mister Cunt!!

>>39870961
Good. So I'll ask straight out, just so we're clear. You the type of schizo that might do something like this, and you have been vocal about it in the past. You behind the report spree of the avatarfags?

>>39871089
Sup kiddo, you catch a timeout yesterday as well? Most of your mios got deleted kek.

So what you working on next with the /hag/?

>>39871097
What if I am?

>>39871223
Be straight with me man.

>>39871176
Yes i did! I don't actually know... i kind of forgotten what my plans were since i dropped them all...

>>39871252
Naaaaaaa~

>>39871176
Do you remember what we were doing?

>>39871408
https://rentry.org/5w66x
proud to present to you, /hag/ climate. From Z with love.

>>39871258
Well time to pick them back up! Deadbeat posted a rentry about magic in the last thread if you wanna go look, could help you expand on that. I'll also get back to your hydrology map in uhhh, idk, 1 hour?

Also might wanna post with a bit less images in your posts, just to throw the guy off, he's reporting for avatarfagging most likely. Don't worry, we'll still recognize you

>>39871485
Uhm, i tried saying this yesterday but i already got climate stuff from someone else who people said was responsible for it? Is Z also not fine with my climate?
>>39871507
Ahh yes!! I will wait then!

>>39871704
nononono.... i am fine with your climate, my report is just detailing it!

>>39871833
Ohh, ok then, TY!

>>39871704
He just tried to help, make amends for the argument with uoh, ya know?

>>39842307
Ah, I remember that, it was mostly about bringing in a Blade Runner aesthetics and mood.

>>39871905
Ok! I still don't really understand that overall, but i remember i am not supposed to mine if that was correct???

>>39872120
As long as it's within the border of Hagu, nobody can stop you, and that whole argument was very much a misunderstanding from the start. I would pull up the map, but phoneposting rn. Gimme a sec to get outta bed.

>>39872236
It's ok, i don't want anyone to get uncomfy because of me!!!

For your entertainment

>>39872722
Who the fuck are these weebs?

>>39872401
One thing that you have to remember is that the maps, and countries, are FUCKING HUGE!
/ybc/ anon can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure I saw the number 2400km thrown at him when he asked for the size of /ybc/. So you can imagine just how big /hag/ is then.
If you had any major mines, even if they were very, very close to the border with /uoh/, they probably wouldn't extend much more into it than the line I use for the borders kek. You gotta know, mines are usually a pretty localized thing, specially in this day and age. You won't be digging tunnels hundreds of kilometers long into /uoh/, that's for sure.

>>39872722
meatbro is a girl!?

>>39872971
A very cute one.

>>39872722
And what is the point of this?

>>39873065
Read the description, for a laugh!

>>39872236
>>39872833
I didn't know it's this big!!! But i still only want to mine if others are fine with it too, i don't want to force others into things they don't like with my writing!!!!

>>39872722
this is the /meat/ rep? Where's the ryona and guro?

>>39873065
As it seems from this >>39873091 the cord is having a good laugh at Haganon for being scared of /meat/.

>>39873302
Not really, it was just the irony of that being posted at the same time.

>>39873225
Hey our oshi is adorable too!
>>39872971
No

>>39873365
Then why the need for the censor?

>>39873302
If you gonna start shit, you gotta make sure I ain't online first mate. Here's the context to that pic before

>>39873415
Because that isn't part of the joke baka.

>>39873209
Oh yea, old countries are freaking huge! And as for mining, gonna have to yell for everyone to give you feedback on it then! I'm sure they won't have a problem with it.

>>39873509
Huh, ok, i guess i see it then. My bad.

>>39873494
>>39873509
Z hates haganon and that's good proof. fucking talking shit.

>>39873613
ay shut up, just cause people called you out on derailment via Alice doesn't mean you can just try to derail with low effort baitpost. You can do better.

>>39873613
Umm...my dude, reading reps. Haganon said it himself in the last thread that they meatheads are mean and scary.

>>39873613
No one's buying that anymore. Your gimmick lost its magic.

>>39872722
>>39873302
>>39873365
>>39873494
>>39873509
Uhm, i don't really get what this is all about but i don't want to start any trouble so could i please be left out of it!! I'm just waiting for mister Cunt so we can do our map together.

>>39872833
Here to there, actually.

>>39873753
It is nothing humiliating really.
Context:
Z quoted your post that /meat/ anons are scary.
Then a /meat/ anon shared their cute merchs.
So you got a funny contrast that the scary anon has a cute hobby.
It was screenshotted as a joke.
But a troll wanted to use this as bait just because you were mentioned.

>>39873753
Ay, sorry bout that kiddo, one of those was me as well. I'll make sure to leave you out of the drama next time, sorry.

regarding the map, do you have any more wishes for the major rivers and stuff? Or is that pic you posted a while back all you wanted? Could I have it again btw, seems I misplaced my copy.

>>39873978
Ah okok, thanks for the correction.

>>39873753
Sorry about that, hagbro. They were making fun of me for posting cute stuffs right after Z said I was scary.

>>39874002
I don't mean to say that they are inhuman or assholes... But my interactions with them so far have not been happy...
>>39874156
Here is the map i made but i don't remember anything else. I think it might be better when i come with this at a different time.

>>39874490
Ah that was it yea, thanks! I'll get to drawing those in.

>>39871408
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/39089837/#39126560
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/39089837/#39126142
>that whole 'hiring your mercs and cutting their tits off' thing was just a shitpost, not an actual in-universe lore
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/38648571/#38706725
>is this just some fun role-play style rivalry
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/39251840/#39255799
>let's talk this out and try to find a way to make your vision of your nation a reality, and also, lets talk things out between our nations so that you don't have to try to harm us with curses.
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/39251840/#39256212
>i want to correct him on a few things
/meat/ isn't supposed to be scary or mean, and immediately after and during the incident i said i wanted to correct you. i said i was annoyed at how nobody did it sooner, and that you and i aren't around at the same time often, but i never said you were mean or anything. i think that, pedantically, i could say that i thought that your magic lore was wrong in the sense that it didn't strictly follow the magic system that we already have, but the magic system is designed to be very adaptable, and anything can be done if you are ok with being adaptable with the method of how you achieve it, since it is a deterministic system that requires a few steps to achieve. basically, it might be correct in a literal sense, but rhetorically, it is important to emphasize that your idea was not irredeemably wrong, and that i was always advocating that it be refined. please don't feel like i meant to say that your ideas could not be implemented at all through the magic system.
as for the stuff with /meat/, from a few moments after you wrote about the curse, we tried to correct you, and you didn't pick up on the stuff we tried to say, or didn't trust us because you had formed opinions about "screwheads" (the lunato you were responding to wasn't part of "the cabal" as we typically refer to it, v7 anon made it seem like they were, and you based some of your opinion of us on them, but that wasn't fair) so this whole thing was a big misunderstanding, and every time we tell you that, you respond by saying you don't understand and feel scared of us, even after we have repeatedly tried to make amends. as the others have said, i really suck at articulating myself, so i am trying to think of a proper way of responding, but none of it really seems to work for me, so i'll just post this i guess. ask for others to help translate what i am trying to say, maybe.

>>39874379
I'm sorry if you meat people aren't happy about me because you think i ignore you to be mean and i also do do not read your things because i don't understand them. I promise i will leave you alone and not interact with your things anymore and i will also talk with pg and probably delete the curse if it is that bad. Then i hope you have no reason to be angry anymore and need to interact with me either.
You people really do scare me and i think i rather keep my distance...

>>39874742
Alright pg, first rule of interacting with humans. You say "hey what's up, I'm pg, and I wanna explain some stuff".

>>39874490
>>39874800
Terribly sorry about that. Us /meat/ writers are among the more autistic of the bunch since day one. I can't deny it is because we called this place our second home since its inception.
As revealed here >>39874742
We do a lot shitpost kayfabe with the regulars. I apologise if our kayfabe was taken as an actual threat.
As for PG, he is an actual honest asperger. He has trouble communicating. He will type down his entire train of thoughts. Pure unfiltered thinking. He does not hate you, he has trouble communicating with normal social emotions.

>>39874894
Nah fuck that, I refuse to say hi ever. That's weird.

>>39874742
yo PG critique the SHAD textbook while you're here, you can change the password if you want >>39835839 , leave your feedback right in the rentry.

>>39874800
none of us accused you of being mean, and we don't want you to stop interacting with us, or view us as scary. we want to be friends. please forget about the stuff that caused you to think we were bad so we can show you that we aren't quite what you seem to have interpreted. also, you don't need to delete the curse, but at least have a reason for it that makes sense in-universe, because the shitpost was purely meta-posting, we didn't mean to imply we would do anything to you, but we would like to maybe make some diplomacy so that our nations can be friendly with each other.
>>39875126
i read it, it's fine, but we could add detail to it. one moment.

>>39874800
Oh right, here's the magic entry deadbeat made that I mentioned before >>39835839

>>39874800
As a baseline rule, if something isn't written in a rentry, its only a headcanon and doesn't have any actual lore implications

>>39875167
PG!

>>39874742
I'm sorry!!! I swear a lot of those posts i have never seen before!!!!! I didn't know they were not meant seriously!!!!!! I thought that is how you interact with other nations by talking to them!!!!!!!! I also really don't know who is who most of the time so i am not sure what is spoken by whom and if i have to listen to it!!!!! And i don't understand a lot of the things i was linked and i also tried reading a lot of things from the archive please believe me!!! I did not intend to ignore you or ignore what i was link too be mean at all!!! And i even asked mister Deadbeat and he said that it was fine, i was not aware that it was all wrong after all!!!!I'm also sorry if my sleep schedule is such an issue for you, but i really cannot control that, i can try maybe wakingup a bit earlier if that helps!!!!!!!! I never wanted to form any opinion of you from the wrong people, i didn't want to be unfair either!!! But i really don't understand a lot of things and i'm really scared because you all sound so scary and angry and mean and i'm not sure what of that is even what anymore, even if you maybe don't intend to!!! I'm also sorry that i made you feel bad because i left, that was never my intention!!! I thought if i left, that it would make you happy instead!!!!!

>>39874894
HELP ME PLS!!!!!!

>>39875655
>And i even asked mister Deadbeat and he said that it was fine, i was not aware that it was all wrong after all!
It's not that it's all wrong, PG just wanted to give some feedback on it and didn't word it quite right, so it didn't come across properly. Me and PG are gonna work on making it all kosher, so you don't have to worry about that.
Honestly, however the /meat/heads' posts feel to you, you can just assume that they're never angry, and don't intend to be mean. They're a bunch of fluffballs on the inside. It's just komyushou kek.

>>39875655
There there Hagbro. None of us hated you. Everyone here has trouble understanding each other. We had multiple arguments before because someone could not sense sarcasm and jokes. Some took kayfabe and roleplay too far. Some have actual communication problems.
We blame ourselves for being poor communicators that someone new got stuck in it.

i don't mean to interrupt but let me into this vile soccord place so i can shitpost!

https://discord.gg/yEDcFmHA

As sayeth the small man... WE ALL SUCK AT COMMUNICATING

>>39875712
It's ok kiddo, you got it this far. Just remember that this is a discussion not an argument, nobody here hates you or your lore, and simply want to help, even if it might come off as them not liking it. Keep your cool and it'll all work out.

But also, to translate >>39874742 a bit
>/meat/anons didn't want to come off as mean or scary
>The ONLY way pg thought your magic lore was "wrong" was that it didn't STRICTLY follow the book, but at the same time he also knows that Chuubanite is EXTREMELY adaptable, and wanted to discuss it with you how you could maybe adjust it to make it fit more.
>He DID NOT mean that your ideas could not be considered canon or did not fit in
>There also seemed to be a lot of missed posts between you guys regarding their curse
>Misunderstandings™

So if i understand this all right, this was all my error for misunderstanding everything from the very beginning the whole time? I'M SORRY FOR ALL OF THIS!!!!! I really thought you talk with others to interact with their nations!!! Does that mean that all my interactions with others so far have meant nothing and don't actually exist...

>>39876518
Don't worry about it! We love you

>>39876518
>misunderstanding everything from the very beginning the whole time
Yes. Every single one of us had our share. This place is cursed with poor social skill.

>>39876518
Well, yes and no. On a meta sense, you interacted with others writers and made connections. But in-world those interactions need to translate into lore that can can stand on it's own and you can defend against any opposition. But don't worry, nothing you wrote has to be removed, and we can go over it together to see what could use some more detail or be changed a bit to fit in! Take this as a learning opportunity! I'm sure others, as well as me, would be happy to help you with it!

But also, don't change how you are, you bring a breath of fresh air in the thread!

Hagbro... Don't you trolls dare lay a finger on him!

>>39876720
But that means all the diplomatic talk and deals i made with others don't actually exist at all... Hagu needs those to survive because we are reliant on other nations to foster new generations of children...

>>39876955
You don't really need a whole lot of contractual agreement of diplomacy to get people to /hag/ consistently, you could make yourselves more open to attracting tourists or inviting people to come in naturally through having some sort of specific sector that's alluring. Reel em in and bait a husband

>>39876955
Your list of nations compromised by /hag/ does count as lore! So all that exists.

>>39876955
They exist as long as both parties agree to them!
Oh and I should clarify that we operate on a speed-of-plot timeframe. If you need your nation to be frozen in let's say year 1130 to set it up, you can very well do that! You can also make diplomatic talks take place in the distant past, so they are well established by today. And when it comes to diplomacy talks and trade deals, those are usually done on the meta layer between writers anyway and not usually represented much with in world stories or anything of the sort.

>>39877123
That's not the point!!! tricking tourists isn't romantic at all, this is about finding a husband for life, people always think /hag/ is just about breeding when there's so much more!!!!
>>39877152
But i just did that list for me so i don't forget stuff?
>>39877184
But then what was the difference between me and Vnugfriend talking to each other and me and meat people talking to each other?

>>39877576
>But i just did that list for me so i don't forget stuff?
You know, in a way, the reason we archive all lore is so we don't forget about it.

>>39877576
Discussions between writers. We do not do in-universe diplomatic roleplaying.

>>39877576
It isn't really tricking tourists if they end up falling in love for real. It's more just leading them while supporting the nation as a whole.

>>39877631
...oh.
>>39877647
??? But i only asked the meat people if they wanted mercenaries from Hagu and then they said they wanted to harm our people if we come into their nation?
>>39877654
I mean if people come and find love that way, that is nice too, but i also like hags expoloring the world and finding their love!

>>39875205
so, the idea of a "kin glyph" makes more sense as a "hierarchy of generation" if that makes sense. so if you establish the idea of a hierarchy, and the idea of generation, then you can establish the idea of a thing reproducing things that can reproduce things etc. which can be used to create a glyph that can communicate how genetic heritage works. from there, you could combine a kin glyph with a glyph that references a person to refer to their family. when it comes to "hr" effects, you need all the data you can get, so just one type of glyph shouldn't be enough on it's own, hence why i mentioned the concept of a "boss" glyph. like the kin glyph, it uses the concept of hierarchies, but it also allows you to establish the existence of an organization. if you can create an artificial glyph that represents the idea of chain of command, ie typically a hierarchy that gains information bottom-up and makes commands top-down, you can get into the specifics of how you should define the position, but it shows you that the concept can be used to refer to an organization based on the person who is the defacto "ruler" which is important.
the size of the glyph should have nothing to do with the efficiency, and everything to do with the power of/and the effect. the communication is what should determine efficiency, specifically how precisely things are communicated. also how broad the effect is, recall that i said the transubstantiation should suffer an extreme version of the curse or blessing because it would be a distilled version of the effect that they are trying to apply to others, and it gets spread out more thinly over a larger population, which is why it also shouldn't be just a single person that is required for the transubstantiation. it takes multiple sacrificed to kill a god whose existence is more directly influenced by magic, so it should take potentially more than twice as much to influence real people due to the necessity to go in and out of the heavenly realm, so to speak. imagine it like putting a phrase through google translator (imperfect communication, but better communication might be like the other translator, deep something, you get the point) and then translating the output back into the original language (and then again if you can't read it) the errors in communication will double or even triple over depending on the imperfections in communication of the code you use to tell the program to translate the phrase, since in this situation there isn't an intelligent being that can just copy-paste the output into a new translation setting, you need to encode that interaction into the whole program, which allows for more room for error. also, the idea of a nation-wide glyph is awesome, and might be necessary for identifying a nation, especially by reference, meaning if you want to effect a nation with shad, you have to make yourself vulnerable to shad, which sounds like a fair trade since you can keep it secret, and it enables you to do a lot of other things.
also, unless the glyph is designed to have "charges" (ie, if it is made to be able to effect multiple targets) or if it is designed as a definition glyph (ie, it defines an artificial concept for use in other glyphs, such as the personal concept that defines an individual) the same glyph shouldn't be used multiple times for different effects. if it has charges, it should have a finite number of possible charges to balance things, and it's total output should not be expected to ever achieve the same strength as one that only has one charge. glyphs that can have their targets switched are viable, especially with the use of placeholders/embeded glyphs. see my explanation of the boss glyph. the strength of shad should also be partially dependent on the core values of the things they are influencing. you shouldn't be able to effect /hag/ with a /uoh/ concept and have /hag/ lose a bit of interest in /hag/, even if it's just minimal. it should stick more to things that already align with the effect that is being done. think of it like swimming against vs with the current in a swiftly flowing river. swimming against the current is almost exactly the same as not swimming at all, but swimming with the current makes you go noticeably faster. you shouldn't be able to completely remodel the core concepts of a nation just by cursing them with something else, but you should be able to influence them with the effects their core concept already has, being able to emphasize the good or bad traits that are most natural to that concept without losing any strength in the result. think of it like it is part of the communication thing, and that targeting something with a radically opposite concept leads to confusion, especially since shad is all about making something definitionally synonymous via the hr, and that is difficult when dealing with things that are literal antonyms, or that have an otherwise very loose or arbitrary connection.

>>39877823
Alright, lemme grab a cup of tea and start reading.

>>39877805
How would hags in other nation's relate to the nation? Elderly woman would exist all over the world you know, the /hag/ network of connections would naturally be a pretty important thing for any woman to consider.

>>39877805
>they said they wanted to harm our people if we come into their nation
As mentioned above. Kayfabe. Some of us likes to post in character for fun. /meat/ anons and the Risuners for example. But in discussing lore, it is done with actual author discussion. No RP-ing.

>>39877576
This basically >>39877647 Think of it like this: any talks you do at the start are just talks between writers, on a meta sense. Then, if both of you agree to what you discussed, that can be made canon lore. So when you talked with vnugget, you both were happy with the end result of the deal, but with meatbros, they wanted some more clarification and wanted to work with you on the idea some more.

Also, one more thing to keep in mind is that we do shitpost A LOT. So in that specific instance, the meatbros most likely were doing just that. Trade deals and diplomatic relations are one of the things that we do take kinda seriously here. If you want the discussion to be serious, make sure you state that clearly beforehand, and ignore any shitpost that might be thrown at you.

>>39877887
Because if they were born in Hagu and travel out to find love that is good! Hags are more than just elderly woman too, you are jsut makign assumptions based on hearsay!!! There is a reason why Mio is the gold standard of a hag, while others would never even be considered hags for all their life!!!
>>39877893
Wait, but then how was this my fault if they started doing that?

>>39878168
>Wait, but then how was this my fault if they started doing that?
It really wasn't, and I wouldn't blame them too much as well. That entire situation was mishandled from the start and we should have jumped in to mediate things, sorry.

>>39878168
>how was this my fault if they started doing that?
No it's not yours. We did not know you would took it sincerely.
The /meat/ anons have been trying to apologize for the misunderstandings as archived here >>39874742 and explained here >>39876150

>>39878168
>There is a reason why Mio is the gold standard of a hag, while others would never even be considered hags for all their life!!!
Can you define a true /hag/, and your idea of the hag ranking? Is this also the same difference between /hag/ natives and someone whose hit thirty in another country?

>>39877805
>they said they wanted to harm our people if we come into their nation?
so, besides the fact that that was, as we have pointed out a few times, a shitpost, you need to understand that we are a ryona and guro thread. "harm" is separate from "pain" and even "damage" to an extent for us. our chuubas endure self-inflicted pain for the sole purpose of their own enjoyment, one of our chuubas even shoved a bunch of razorblades into their cunny while doing wii trainer or whatever that trendy exercise game was called just to see if she could endure it. we don't view that kind of talk as threatening, we view it as sensual, and sometimes a little kayfabe. we didn't mean to scare you, and most of the people here understand that we don't mean any harm when we do that sort of thing. also, we are very good to our allies, so ironically, if you really wanted to avoid it in-universe you might be better off befriending us and telling us not to do anything to your people, which we will respect absolutely and with the fullest possible conviction. we would also be very happy if some of your population that was also into it willingly volunteered for our practices, but we don't demand it.
>>39878168
>Wait, but then how was this my fault if they started doing that?
we kept saying it wasn't your fault, misunderstandings happen all the time. lets consider starting diplomatic discussions so we can resolve this whole incident peacefully.

>>39878309
There is no such thing as a ranking??? A hag is a hag, you look at them and consider their personality, morales and bodies together with their experiences in life and then you simply know it's a hag. Other nations can have hags too, but just being old does not make you a hag. Mio is a lovely hag, so is Fubuki and Marine and Pochi and Ayamy and Dola and Toko and Koyori and Flare and Watame and many more!!!
>>39878276
>>39878316
Ok, i think i get it now! Then we start over again!

>>39878687
>Then we start over again!
pretty much. but if you want to know how a certain group of people think based on their oshi (oishi) you can consider looking at how their chuubas act. here is a list of /meat/ chuubas if you want. https://rentry.org/yvuku

>>39878687
>Ok, i think i get it now! Then we start over again!
That's the spirit kiddo! Nothing can't be salvaged!

>>39878862
From what you described i don't think those are for me... That still sounds kind of scary!

>>39878687
>A hag is a hag, you look at them and consider their personality, morales and bodies together with their experiences in life and then you simply know it's a hag
What would you say are the defining characteristics that make up a hag? In universe, my assumption is that hags do exist everywhere but the highest concentration of them is in /hag/ instead of being evenly dispersed throughout the nation like with most countries.

>>39879003
/meat/ as a thread talks about chuubas who do really questionable things. So them acting creepy is their kayfabe.

>>39879033
-Good personality
-Helpful without wanting thanks
-Loving and nourishing
-Big breasts
-Good at housework and wanting to help
-Wide hips
-Friendly to kids
-Decent at cooking
-A bit clingy
-Chubby belly
-Unshaven
-Understanding nature
-Supportive
-Not overly drunken
-A wide variety of life experiences
-Faithful
-Willing to learn or try out new things
-Respecting traditions
Those kind of things.

>>39879272
Some of these kinda sussy ngl...

>>39879033
There is more and it and there just are no real rules just comes down to feeling really.
Lamy will become a hag in the future. Noel will become a roastie!

>>39879003
just watch a few of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuH03FheFn0
i don't know if you'll understand what this is about, but please consider it a cute chocolate eating stream :3

>>39879407
...
>>39878866
Mister Cunt i am still not sure about interacting with meat people but for other reasons!!!!!

>>39879510
Kek it's ok I don't get their chuubas either, but just know that the anons themselves are comfy and real softies most of the time! You'll warm up to them eventually.

>>39879272
Are you sure this isn't more of what makes a good hag rather than what makes a hag? I can think of women like Choco who hit some pretty big marks of being desperate for a man to marry and having a pretty maternal personality while also being pretty picky and not wanting a close relationship

>>39879407
PG no! He's too young!

>>39879667
better that then the snail eating stream.

So /nasfaqg/'s carrier pigeons are fairly simple. But I wonder if parrots or parakeets mimicking speech can also be a thing for business.

>>39879737
I wouldnt think so. they just remember everything they mimicked. so your message might get garbled up with a previous message

>>39879624
Yes i am!!! Wanting the right person is not wrong!
>>39879667
I won't tell you my age but i'm probably older than you think...

>>39880051
12

>>39844950
For the time being, get rid of the Candy Crusade Entry, I'm going to build a bit more first.

>>39879667
So what do we do now?

>>39880496
Post cute girls.

>>39880524
I'm trying to have a serious talk here to amend the mistakes i made!!! I will go delete the curse stuff then since that was never allowed to happen to begin with and go to sleep then if this is it...

>>39880637
im so sorry, it was just a joke! I love you!

>>39880637
It's not that it wasn't allowed outright, just that the guys wanted more clarification on it. And while I'm sure that the meatbros would like it if the curse didn't happen, I also think they would be open for a discussion around it. Ya know, find the middle ground.

Also sleep well, we'll see you tommorow!

bump

>>39880750
so, how much progress do you think we made in explaining stuff to him?

>>39881937
He's getting acclimated, and we solved the misunderstanding I believe. It'll all work out, don't worry mate. I'll mama bird him if I need to anyway.

'Sup?

>>39879897
I was also thinking if the birds are smart enough to speak and understand human language then they'd probably be smart enough to be sentient. And sentience is a complex topic of its own. So I won't touch that.

Anyway pigeons are called "rock dove". So /nasfaqg/ would be a prime place to domesticate carrier pigeons.

>>39882517
Nothing much, you?

>>39879510
if you can't get into the cute screwhead, get into the cute zombie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gbmfRwh1hI
og said he liked the zombie and the cunny, so maybe you'll like them, too.
>>39882536
being able to speak does not imply intelligence. parrots lack a few key aspects of what we typically refer to as "sentient" or "conscious" but they are definitely very intelligent birds. it can be argued whether or not they understand what they speak, but they know if they make certain sounds or push certain buttons that certain predictable outcomes will often be the result. it's pavlovian conditioning, not true comprehension. with that said, i wonder if chuubanite can be used to communicate to animals. we have established that it is possible for certain individuals to communicate telepathically through the catalog, and the heavenly realm could be used to make it possible to connect ideas between separate speaking populations, but it would probably be complex. you would either need a way to communicate every core concept that someone thinks about as they are saying it to the heavenly realm, and then to the animal, else you would need to form some kind of connection between the minds of two individuals, which would also be difficult. easier for things like gods that can do divination and what not with less difficulty.
>>39882274
hopefully that's true. idk though. i feel it's a bit harder than i would like it to be.

>>39882913
Yo pg! Look for hotdog in the catalog. keep it low profile for now. Just post pictures.

>>39876125
DAMN RIGHT I AM! You people need to go back to grade school!

>>39883021
You guys ever think it might be worth it to try and restart those abuse threads that you came from?

>>39883299
you are about as tall as a grade schooler. Also, meme magic struck yellow lumi thanks to you.

>>39882913
Well obviously animals understand other animals. But animals have their own languages and understanding because their brains are different than ours. As for chuubanite just keep it to your computers. Besides its easier to train a pigeon to fly home with a letter than it is to teach a parrot to replay what you said.

But that's enough about birds. Perhaps we can look into marine life in the channels. The channels being in between continents could make interesting underwater terrain as the two continental shores have an island between them.

>>39883415
If youre talking about Lumi's new face, I aint complaining much. Hey at least she still looks like her old self! Unlike somebody else who broke my heart!! Also the Veibae thing came from a dream, blame whatever power that gave me the revelation of sacrificing her to save meat.
>>39883357
Bruh we'd get sniffed out

>>39883021
can you post it to the gurochan thread if that is what you mean?

>>39883707
I don't mean using it as a stealth thread I mean just going back to traditional, stuff about chuubas getting abused from all over + all the chuuba discussions. Unsure if /meat/ still kept an archive of abuse fics but I like the misery porn type feel alot of the less graphic ones had.

>>39883707
Damn nigga you still seething about Hylo?

>>39884822
I got blueballed!
I was promised a cute dorky dragon princess who does mild ryona like eating hot sauce and OD on monster! Now shes a bimbo sellout that plays nothing but among us!
At least I know the ryonachuubas wont betray me. I got exactly what I want, chuubas in pain.

>>39883635
>Well obviously animals understand other animals
animals have very basic languages, they say human children aren't exactly self-aware until a few months or years after their birth, and that's one of the aspects that play a role in whether or not something is considered sentient.
>Besides its easier to train a pigeon to fly home with a letter than it is to teach a parrot to replay what you said.
while that is certainly true for this specific instance, i am bringing up the concept for when it might get even more detailed, and if another thread wants to make use of the idea of communicating with animals. also, what do you mean by
>As for chuubanite just keep it to your computers.

>>39886571
I remember /nasfaqg/ said they used some sort of computer to keep an eye on trading. That's a while ago. For the sake of not starting timeloops I'm dropping the chuubanite subject. I want to focus on biology first.

>>39886859
>For the sake of not starting timeloops I'm dropping the chuubanite subject.
THEN DON'T BRING THIS SHIT UP IN THE FIRSTPLACE!!!

>>39886859
what i am saying is that chuubanite can be used in interesting ways in combination with biology. i am suggesting we cooperate. what makes you think it would cause timeloops? we've had countless chuubanite discussions that either did not start timeloops, or were crucial in the resolution of timeloops, but just because the most recent one involved chuubanite now everyone is apprehensive for some reason? could it be that you just don't want to interact with me?

>>39886859
>>39887454
nasarep autism meets PG autism... A battle for the ages...
Don't worry about it, both...

>>39887001
shut up tri-exclamation tard
>>39882913
> i wonder if chuubanite can be used to communicate to animals. we have established that it is possible for certain individuals to communicate telepathically through the catalog, and the heavenly realm could be used to make it possible to connect ideas between separate speaking populations, but it would probably be complex. you would either need a way to communicate every core concept that someone thinks about as they are saying it to the heavenly realm, and then to the animal, else you would need to form some kind of connection between the minds of two individuals, which would also be difficult
Would it be easier to create a language specifically for the purpose of speaking to animals? When I was trying to speculate about /lig/ chuubas related to /ag/, I considered that Saa worshipers could have a kind of in between language that is used to bridge the gap between human and snake. In actuality, all language is a basic transaction of information and we're capable of speaking to lots of animals already but not in ways that convey complex information or nuance, you'd probably need to consider the animal and construct a relatable basis that the animal is capable of understanding like mimicking a mating call or making a basic noise that means hunger or pain and then branching off from there.

>>39882913
>>39887991
Chuubanite in this sense would probably be used in order to bypass the natural intelligence gap between creatures so that even an unintelligent and possibly non sentient creature would be able to comprehend what you're saying, you could tell a bird to open a door and it would understand the basic action of what a door opening is and what "door" and "open" relate to in the context of the linguistic transaction.

>>39887991
>Would it be easier to create a language specifically for the purpose of speaking to animals?
not necessarily. certainly not if you want that language to be complex. why do you think it's so difficult to get even our most closely related ancestors to understand sign language. pretty much what >>39888111 said. any complex idea you can think of that can't easily be communicated to the average creature could theoretically be communicated through the use of chuubanite. the hr could even be potentially used as an extension of someone's brain, like a bci, only it would be a bhri.

>>39887991
>shut up tri-exclamation tard
Yo you got something against !!! guys?

>>39888313
I am >>39888111, I added that as an addition of sorts because I realized that I forgot to mention how chuubanite would come into play to help bridge the gap, I think this would be possible but extremely limited outside of certain unique circumstances. Also unsure if the idea of using chuubanite and magic quanta to affect an animal mentally might have some sort of negative or unexpected effects, if an idea is directly implanted into a simple animal's mind you could possibly have a few negative situations that might result in the animal's death if you're not careful. I can think of a few ways but reasonably those would all be snuffed out by the time you actually managed to perfect the idea of a chuubanitical translator, they'd most likely be used by lots of animal chuuba fanbases to communicate with their holy animals and such and by animal trainers to have an easier time getting their jobs done.
>>39888323
I only need one ! to communicate my ideas, I'm not a handicap.

>>39888835
>I'm not a handicap.
So you calling Alice, Pentomo, Dragoon and Hagchad handicaps?

>>39889082
Yes.

>>39889103
based

>>39888835
>if an idea is directly implanted into a simple animal's mind you could possibly have a few negative situations that might result in the animal's death if you're not careful.
i wasn't really thinking of it as directly implanting an idea so much as maintaining and focusing their attention through subtle suggestion and the use of the conceptual realm as an extension of an animal's brain. i wonder if it's brain would fry if you tried to actually implant complex ideas into an animal like that, or if it would just be immediately lost, as if going in one ear, out the other, only it involves the decoherence of neural networks and the information they carry.

>>39889184
>maintaining and focusing their attention through subtle suggestion and the use of the conceptual realm as an extension of an animal's brain.
Ah, so less forceful projection of info and more allowing the monkey's natural perspective to build an idea of a door to open? I think they're both two different ways to get to the same goal of tell the monkey to open the door and are still both translation, in a way. It's brain most likely would fry in sloppy cases, even something as small as "Open the Door" could become some kind of intelligence doom spiral if you're not careful, the monkey might literally just start slamming itself against the door over and over and over again because it understands what the end state of an opened door is supposed to be but never thought to use the door knob to do it and is horrifically pissed that a door with a hole through it is not "Open". I think most monkeys would be smart enough to use the door knob though but in general situations like that would still be a big issue, putting aside the possibility of literally frying something's brain with the sudden presence of info like you said.
>>39886859
What nation would be a major producer in tobacco / this world's version of tobacco bread dog? I think we have too many "wheats" and "potatoes" we can definitely create new foods and crops that take up essentially the same niche but have different characteristics.

>>39889867
pretty sure tabacco is one of the things listen in /meat/'s natural resources. also, depending on how you design the magic to work, it could be adaptable. once they start having problems opening the door, the focus could slowly shift from the door to the knob, and then to it's ability to be rotated, or whatever hint the animal needs to be able to understand.

>>39887454
You can work with someone else on it. I am no expert. I'm not stopping you from doing it.

>>39889867
>>39890241
Tobacco I think grows where its fairly warm and wet, but not too wet. Its actually a very picky crop. Which is why its easier to control unlike marijuana that grows almost anywhere. Outside of smoking and chewing nicotine is a pretty good pesticide.

>>39889867
>we have too many "wheats" and "potatoes"
to be fair that's one of the strong suits of these crops

space cow bump

Hag love bump

>>39898711
hagbro bump

>>39899347
You idiot, you absolute ape

>>39899397
I didn't realize there was still time for the next bump fuck, sorry

Noon

>>39900724
hello!

>>39900724
I'm curious, were any of you guys involved in that christmas Wi-Fi sex thing I heard about? How's Akira doing?

>>39901020
there were a few before, idk if they are still around.

>>39901167
they're definitely still around but I suppose it was none of you guys in /vtwbg/?

>>39901293
i don't think so. not me personally, at least.

>>39901020
Sadly no. I'm dirt poor at the moment.

>>39901020
>How's Akira doing
Let's see.

https://twitter.com/ryonaxlove/status/1608284235000958976
She had a fight with a staff during a recording session because he shoved her. He got sent to emergency.

https://twitter.com/ryonaxlove/status/1608285064009318402
https://twitter.com/ryonaxlove/status/1608287178458546176
She tried to record the dirty laundry but they got suspicious.

https://twitter.com/ryonaxlove/status/1608463064999030784
https://twitter.com/ryonaxlove/status/1608476429276319744
Her project is being delayed because of the studio New Year's party.

https://twitter.com/ryonaxlove/status/1608290875003502593
https://twitter.com/ryonaxlove/status/1608305695224365056
https://twitter.com/ryonaxlove/status/1608440751083646976
https://twitter.com/ryonaxlove/status/1608468460346183682
Akira had severe fright but forced herself to go to the party that she had to be hospitalised.

So all in all, the usual.

>>39902463
>He got sent to emergency.
based. our girl's a fighter.

>>39902463
/meat/... are you guys feeling okay?

>>39902805

>>39902463
Shit man Im so sorry to hear that.

>>39902463
Well you can't say the personality doesn't match the avatar.

>>39902463
love that lil menehara (this goes far beyond menehara but I don't know if there's a word for this outside of just severely and unironically mentally ill) good to know she's doin well.

>>39904884
and unfortunate, her staff seems kinda strange which is kind of expected but wasn't there some incident where one of them said she smelt like weed out of nowhere? Workplace Abuse is the least sexy abuse

/meat/ anons...

I think I'm too wholesom for ryona vTubers. I never liked hurting other people.

>>39908702
I mean it isn't ALL just ryona. I can appreciate a women that can proudly shove something about the size of their arm up their ass, it's a sign of a very determined individual.

>>39908702
/meat/ chuubas are surprisingly wholesome for the most part. the only exception being the ryona stuff.

bump

>>39911190
dammit, too slow

https://rentry.org/vtwbg-vnuglore#symphoria
I started writing about places in /vnug/!

>>39911753
I'll read in the morning

bump

https://rentry.org/kingdom-of-oiseau
I do not remember if i posted this, but my economy is done!

>>39911753
Hello Vnugfriend!!! I woke up earlier today and read this. It sounds like some super cool hardy city and like a christmas town!! Do people there bake a lot like cookies? Do they have shared houses for the winter?

>>39915176
Oh hey kid! Random thought but did you perhaps think about what kind of animals Hagu would have? Anything spec bio you might have thought about specifically?

What if /nasfaqg/ had pigeons but they're GOLD?

>>39915176
Hello and I’m glad you like it! I think pretty much the entire /vnug/ will be Christmas-y given its climate which probably also contributes to the hardy feeling. For a while I thought about calling /vnug/ the overwinter state since life in /vnug/ probably revolves around preparing for winter, surviving the winter, and celebrating that you survive the winter. A side effect’s that most of /vnug/ doesn’t really grow traditional food crops as most of the land is too cold for them so the typical diet will be predominantly meat (with fish for coastal/riverside population), fruits and berries, and other supplements harvested from the boreal forest. Symphoria’s probably an exception since its position and wealth mean imported grains and flour will be more accessible to them. I think that means baked goods like cookies will be present but likely as a luxury, although mixing flour with birch flour should be able to make the final product more affordable. As for housing I imagine shared houses are fairly common especially during the cold season both for fuel efficiency (at least that’s how I imagine it to work) and to look after each other during the trying time. They likely also spend a decent amount of time in sauna houses to help keep themselves warm and to socialize with others!

So, I have two things i wish to bring up.

The first being the searching of ships, notably done by the Black Fleet which I would like to have explained to me in detail given that in many circumstances, this is a violation of national sovereignty in my opinion basing it off how IRL works. Other factors such as the Anti-Slavery Patrol will be considered and up for debate. Main point here, I want to understand what the policy is.

The second is something I invite the whole thread to discuss which is what is a nation's territorial waters. For those that do not know, Territorial Waters refer to any area of water over which a sovereign state has jurisdiction. We can consider the IRL definitions of what they would entail or decide on our own. I would prefer this to not be solely meta but there to be a conference on it somewhere. Perhaps we can even use vtwbg for this purpose and it came be the first of its kind! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

>>39918087 (me)
Off topic but related. To those who claim the Imperial Navy acts like the Black Fleet in the Niji Subcontinent is sorely mistaken. Outside of our own territory and "vassals" (which really arent) we have no authority and do not under any reason police areas outside of our territorial waters. This is a bit different in the West with Watamelons perhaps, but we aren't interfering with trade nor treating the other nations as sub subservient to us like Syrenia or /yeah/.

At war, things might be different, but even then, Neutral vessels are not subject to our control. The only time you could ever see this being true is if Horus' ALL OUT WAR idea happened. We have no reason to ever stop traffic to /nenmen/ without us being at war with them, or the ALL OUT WAR situation for example as we firmly believe in the right of other nation's national sovereignty at sea.

>>39918087
6 nautical miles for merchants
12 nautical miles for warships.
What this entails is up for debate.
t. Former Officer in the Marine Nationale.

>>39914546
I have tried to read this, but i am confused, i think.
What nation is this for?
How is Lac Royale a freshwater lake? I thought you need rivers for those?
There are also a lot of words i don't get, like what are Anyites or Ollites or Agnami Caliphate or Deuxlunesia?
Also, how does Lac Vézère being ice climate work? Can you do it the other way too and have a lake be really warm for its surroundings?
Also, i understand that there were different nations at one point? Are you like /OKFAMS/? Is that why you have so many languages?
Also, how does the «La naissance d’une nation» happen? Did Marie III tell them they are now one nation and what is the Empire?
I also cannot find the part for culture, is that gone?
Also is Light Industry the proper term for handicraft stuff and you also make them? Can we share handicraft?

>>39915724
Hello, i'm the /hag/ writer yes, nice to meet you!!! I have not thought a lot about animals, but i want some really cool cougars!!! I thought about having a mix of cougars and lions so that they are like really strong!!!
>>39916551
Yay, also since we are a bit warmer we can bring flour to you with the food too if you want!!! Can we have winter bees in return? I read about them. And yes! Shared housing were a thing if i understand it right because people can cuddle together and you only need to warm up one place and not many. You also can get together and do handicraft stuff in that time since you cannot work the fields!!!
>>39918087
>>39918380
I don't know stuff about boats so i don't think i can say much about this, but i don't think we mind if people want to make sure we don't do forbidden stuff since we don't do that.

Is it same to assume that gunpowder weapons are already widespread in 950 VTE?

>>39920155
>There are also a lot of words i don't get
I think Anyites and Ollites are just race/cultures in that nation, Agnami Caliphate is part of their lore/history, and Deuxlunesia is /moon/

>>39920680
Almost everyone should have access to it at that point but whether or not the military or civilian world utilizes them extensively really should depend on the individual country's history and culture.

>>39920506
Food import in general and grain import in particular are highly appreciated! I think I marked that down a while ago. In exchange we’re happy to export our winterized bees and our other cold place stuff to /hag/! Being basically confined indoors for the better half of the year also probably contributes to the well-developed handicraft culture and industry of /vnug/ (itself based on Liora and Kokone’s gunpla experience which will spread to Lofi soon)

>>39920680
So part of this was ruled by /moon/? Did they have a split?
Also, that doesn't really explain what the other things are...

>>39920155
It's fine dear.
>What nation is this for?
I am /mep/, Reine's nation.
>How is Lac Royale a freshwater lake? I thought you need rivers for those?
Not entirely sure how to explain this honestly! I was just told by my climate bros that it is.
>There are also a lot of words i don't get, like what are Anyites or Ollites or Agnami Caliphate or Deuxlunesia?
Anyites. Anya (HoloID), Ollites. Ollie (HoloID). Agnami Caliphate (Watamelon thread) Deuxlunesia (moona)
>Also, how does Lac Vézère being ice climate work? Can you do it the other way too and have a lake be really warm for its surroundings?
My climate chads were the ones who helped me (Z and Nasfaqronie otherwise known Moneyman or Clocks).
>Also, i understand that there were different nations at one point? Are you like /OKFAMS/? Is that why you have so many languages?
Non. The reason I have so many different languages is because I am trying to show how languages and cultures are not homogenous during this period in a nation. Most of the languages are in the same language group and have minor differences that practically mean dialect. This isn't something you need to do, but I like to do because I am French and its a misconception that France is one language.
>Also, how does the «La naissance d’une nation» happen? Did Marie III tell them they are now one nation and what is the Empire?
No, and this will be confusing to you because this is part of the ID empire idea that Moonafic came up with. What this means is that during her reign and that of her successor, large amounts of land were captured that gave "birth" to what is the modern nation. She never said it personally, its a term that Historians applied since Oiseau, which controlled the north east, annexed Anya's land when they left for Anya Petra, conquered Ollies land, and started a long fight over the area you see as Pavolie that took a while.
https://rentry.org/vzumc (for ID Empire).
>I also cannot find the part for culture, is that gone?
Unfortunately, that is incomplete now but I want to get there.
>Also is Light Industry the proper term for handicraft stuff and you also make them? Can we share handicraft?
I assume so, I think we also do. You may share with us as well, if you wish to open trade. We have excellent wine that you will love for example.

I am sorry if some of this doesn't make sense or is incomplete! it's all WIP sadly.

>>39851910
Thx, but I already have the Jreg Schizotypal Pass...

>>39920804
OK!!! I have written it down so that it's also considered a real thing in the world!! https://rentry.org/v2gef

>>39844950
archive anon.
please put this under a header in risu called "intro" https://rentry.org/Tourist-Guide-to-Risu

please also make the following corrections:
Move
>Under the Mask: Kaisar-dan-Tupai-Hebat in the aftermath of Rajabasa
>From Agra with Love
under Risu stories

New Header called Main Lore and move
>Lore archive
https://rentry.org/main-risu-lore-doc
>Old lore archive
https://rentry.org/ppiqh
There please, thank you.

>>39921055
the what?

>>39920506
Ooo great cats! Those are always fun, I bet we can cook up something interesting with them! Also hi, I'm the resident schizo wastes, hlgg, candy kingdom and haha writer as well as one of the few spec bio autists here!

Oh also, I think having a dedicated rentry archived with all the trade deals would be good, so you don't bloat up your own archive!

>>39920970
>anya
Perfect!!!! I am happy to know this happened and why they are down here!!!!! Thx mep from anya petra global!!! Lets make a fun reason too!!!

>>39921076
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-vnuglore#trade
Likewise!

>>39920970
>I am /mep/, Reine's nation
OK!! Hello and nice to meet you!!! I am the writer for /hag/. I hope we can get along as fellow hag lovers!!!
>Not entirely sure how to explain this honestly! I was just told by my climate bros that it is.
But people told me my lake cannot be fresh water if it has no rivers?
>Anyites. Anya (HoloID), Ollites. Ollie (HoloID). Agnami Caliphate (Watamelon thread) Deuxlunesia (moona)
Ok, got it!
>My climate chads were the ones who helped me (Z and Nasfaqronie otherwise known Moneyman or Clocks).
Ok, i thought maybe i could have something like that too but the other way around so i can have some nice warm places in Hagu. I am still a bit scared of mister Z but i like mister Money so i will try and ask him when i see him!!!
>Non. The reason I have so many different languages is because I am trying to show how languages and cultures are not homogenous during this period in a nation. Most of the languages are in the same language group and have minor differences that practically mean dialect. This isn't something you need to do, but I like to do because I am French and its a misconception that France is one language.
Ok, i think i only want one language and i don't think i am smart enough to make dialects, my language is probably not very fancy in contrast to others at all...
>No, and this will be confusing to you because this is part of the ID empire idea that Moonafic came up with.
So all ID threads came from one thread initially and then split into the ones for the chuubas themselves? Is that how this is?
>Unfortunately, that is incomplete now but I want to get there.
Ok, i will try to read that then when it comes so i can understand your nation and don't make mistakes.
>I assume so, I think we also do. You may share with us as well, if you wish to open trade. We have excellent wine that you will love for example.
I'm not sure about trading stuff much yet because i think i lack a lot of understanding on how to do that properly.
>I am sorry if some of this doesn't make sense or is incomplete! it's all WIP sadly.
Daijoubu!!! Mine is all too!!!

>>39921323
Thanks Pentomo! We can certainly get a reason. I know the reason why Zoombies were conquered/exterminated/enslaved was because of their practice of necromancy, but Melfriends are a mystery. Now, i do not think lore wise they totally left, but i think that a good many of them left. There is a good story to be told there, and even quite the legendary feat. Let me know if you have ideas.
>>39921431
>OK!! Hello and nice to meet you!!! I am the writer for /hag/. I hope we can get along as fellow hag lovers!!!
I hope so too, but Reine is a child in the body of a oneesan kek.
>But people told me my lake cannot be fresh water if it has no rivers?
I will need to ask, as it is fresh water but I assume other factors?
>Ok, i thought maybe i could have something like that too but the other way around so i can have some nice warm places in Hagu. I am still a bit scared of mister Z but i like mister Money so i will try and ask him when i see him!!!
You have very warm places that are similar to the US South, but about Mr. Z, he is a big baby and a dork. Do not fear him, he is one of the most least threatening people here kek.
>Ok, i think i only want one language and i don't think i am smart enough to make dialects, my language is probably not very fancy in contrast to others at all...
No worries, it doesn't matter much! We all come to have fun, and display things in a certain way. There is no correct way of doing it!
>So all ID threads came from one thread initially and then split into the ones for the chuubas themselves? Is that how this is?
I think that is his idea, but he needs to clarify for you and others.
>Ok, i will try to read that then when it comes so i can understand your nation and don't make mistakes.
Mistakes will be made by all of us, so don't worry if you misunderstand anything!
>I'm not sure about trading stuff much yet because i think i lack a lot of understanding on how to do that properly.
Eh, it doesn't matter! I am not going to say "I want xyz from hag and you will get xyz from mep." Let's just say, we trade!
>Daijoubu!!! Mine is all too!!!
And you will do a great job on it.

>>39921431
>But people told me my lake cannot be fresh water if it has no rivers?
That is correct, yes. If the only way for water to leave the lake is by evaporation i.e. no river flows from it, the salts that get left behind during the process will make the lake salty over time. So if you want to have a freshwater lake, it needs a river flowing from it.

>>39921323
Hello, i am the /hag/ writer!!! Nice to meet you!!!
>>39921223
Thank you!!! That's a lot of things to write for, i can barely manage one with help from many friends in here... But yes, i would love some great cats!!! Also thanks for the idea with the rentry, i will try and see how to best do that!!
>>39921402
You forgot the flour Vnugfriend!!!

Reine is hag?

>>39921746
I wonder if it’s easier/safer to transport the grain and then grind them into flour ourselves since handling powder sounds troublesome and dangerous. Does /hag/ export grain apart from rice?

>>39921793
Quite honestly, I do not know nor care. She is like a silly daughter kek.

>>39921600
>I hope so too, but Reine is a child in the body of a oneesan kek.
There is nothing wrong with a hag having some innocence to them!!!
>I think that is his idea, but he needs to clarify for you and others.
Ok, i will try to ask if i remember to!
>Let's just say, we trade!
Ok, i will try to figure out how to do a rentry for all the stuff with other nations and then show you so that it's fine!
>And you will do a great job on it.
TY, you too!
>>39921691
Ok, i was told so before by others, i was not sure if i misunderstood something again.

>>39921944
Do not worry about it that much, since you are correct in most cases due to the reason mentioned in >>39921691. The fantastic nature of this setting means there are other possible ways for a lake to be drained without leaving the salt behind, though, either through some kind of magical transportation or some form of underground rivers.

>>39921793
Yes she is!!
>>39921887
I don't know what is better, i thought flour does not goo bad as quickly and you can move more of it around for less space. But i will trust you and do it like you want!

>>39921944
Great, well I will get Moonafic to tell you if needed. I am his handler kek. And the rest is fine, take your time and keep up great work!

>>39921746
Yes yes, very busy rrat, just like oshi kek. Also remember to anchor any rentries you make in >>39844950. As for the trade deal rentry, it's as easy as making a password for it and remembering it for future edits!

>>39902463
/meat/bros is this real?!

>>39922109
I think they have similar shelf life if they’re properly dried, flour can be packed tighter than grain since they’re more powdery but they spill and scatter easier too. I think grains might be the better choice, not to mention we would be able to use the grain for other things too!

>>39922156
Wait people told me that this actually counts for things to be real in the world!! https://rentry.org/nazxa
>>39922160
Also, have we met before because i have Candy Kingdom on the list already??? Also would you be interested for relationships like hag mercenaries or food or handicraft for the other places you write for?

>>39922269
Ok!!! Then we will give you grain instead!!

>>39922361
Well, personally, its wise to write things about trade but most trade is done at local levels and cannot be really monitored. The list is good.

>>39922361
Oh yea, we have been interacting this entire time, ya goof! What's the confusion this time around btw?

>>39922430
I don't think i fully understand what you mean?
>>39922460
No i meant before today!!! I remember talking about Candy kingdom also sending people to us. Was that you or someone else? Do resident schizo wastes, hlgg, and haha also want hag mercenaries?

>>39922581
Yes before today kek! And those others were mainly just me listing things, we don't have a hlgg writer, Candy kingdom you have interacted with before and /haha/ is too scared of you to come introduce himself(he's a little shy). And as for schizo wastes, it's only a half truth, since /nasa/ is now a part of it on the map. We can schedule a story set in that one year we were present though, that would be nice!

>>39922581
Also regarding trade, I think it's safe for you to think of it like this: You got your major deals, ones that would be signed between nations on major imports and stuff and you have your local trade, stuff that random merchants would trade with locals wherever they come.
Each anon has it's own way of doing things, but it is safe to assume that on the lower level, so the small merchants, you do trade with most of your neighbours. Whether you want to record those is up to you, but major trade deals, so the ones officially signed and ones that establish major trade routes, should have a record for them, like you have been doing so far.

Ofc this is just my interpretation of it and others can correct me on it if they want to.

>>39922722
Wait, i'm getting confused now how do you write for them then if hlgg don't have a writer? Also did i do some mistake with /haha/???? I don't know what happened but i don't mean to scare others, i am sorry i tend to mess up a lot and hurt others it seems... sorry for also not remembering having talked to you before, i still cannot really recognize who is who that well and who does writing for what places all...

>>39922581
OK I think i should make several points
>Most nations wouldn't need official agreements for local merchants to trade, and we shouldn't bother getting hung up on that.
>Trading of specific resources is generally when said resources are off limits such as high grade iron or something, and you offer something of equal value in return.
>Thus, while it is wise to always keep a list of nations that you have diplomatic ties with, you don't need to worry about the exact details of each trade deal.
There are a few nations where you it does matters, like with /who/ or /mhm/, which are extremely particular about it.
>>39922916
Basically what he said.

>>39921600
hmm, let me think.. I have to get ideas about the risuners and with alice too so its hard!!!

>>39923013
>Risuners
That wasn't actually OG, it was a falseflagger pretending to be him unfortunately.... but i will make him do it regardless but its going to be a while so don't worry. alice also just goes all over the place, so don't worry about her either.

>>39922916
But i also want to write about the smaller ones!!! I think that the small people are jsut as importannt and deserve some recognition too!

Okay! I really think we need a document explaining trade, not just because of Hagchad (we have all been there), rather because this is confusing to a lot of people.

>>39922964
>hlgg
I don't that was just me listing a nation from the top of my head kek. They have noone writing for them yet
>/haha/
Nah, nothing wrong kiddo, the guy just doesn't come around often and that was just me taking a piss outta him. I'm sure you two would get along great.
>sorry for also not remembering having talked to you before
I am already forgotten...
>i tend to mess up a lot and hurt others it seems
I'll hurt YOU if you keep saying that! You ain't doing anything wrong, you're already a great addition to this thread!

>>39923152
Aww that's sweet! Then by all means, you can do so, could even be accompanied by a small story for some of their more interesting trades and stuff!

>>39922965
So what i'm doing is wrong by the rules about trading and i'm not supposed to do stuff about trading things that are not considered important??

>>39923260
Oh nonono, there are no real rules for what you want to write, if you want to go about your trade deals this way, don't let us stop you, it's pretty freeform! Just letting you know that you don't HAVE TO, but most definitely CAN write about the smaller traders and their merch.

>>39923260
You are doing nothing wrong, it is the thread as a whole that is unclear on this which is why I am calling for a document explaining it.

Bro, please understand that you not being totally aware of things and confused doesn't mean youre at fault for anything. The most you have ever made is minor errors. I just am trying to let you know that you don't need to overcomplicate trade if you don't want to.

>>39923253
But why are you lying about hlgg then, is the /haha/ stuff true at all? I think you are a schizo and trying to trick me!!! I was told to be wary of you people so i won't listen to you anymore. Goodbye!!!

>>39923404
Ok then goodbye to you as well sir! We shall not interact any more from here on! Good day! It's Cunt btw, I'm just teasing a bit. I post both Sana and Bae, as I did become a brrat after Sana's graduation kek

>>39923404
And to reiterate, no hlgg does not have a writer, that was just me making stuff up in the moment, /haha/ writer actually doesn't come around often, he's pretty busy these days, and yes, I am a schizo and you shouldn't listen to me kek. I'll have the hydrology map for you in a bit btw, it's coming along pretty nicely.

>>39923404
Aight, how we feeling about this for now? I would like to add a few more on the middle part, but other than that, I think this would be enough detail for the major rivers and lakes.

>>39923498
Baka! Mister Cunt is super nice and a friend of mine and helps me a lot, he would never do stuff like this and lie to confuse me or get in trouble with others, i don't believe you at all!!! Stop pretending to be him and make him look bad, he did nothing wrong!!! I will call you out all you want because i won't let anyone fall for this!!!

>>39924486
I'M SORRY IT REALLY WAS ME! I thought you would catch on after I posted a Sana pic, gomen gomen! I didn't mean to lie to you, just have a little bit of fun, sorry! I also didn't mean to get you in trouble if that happened...

Just use your trip you dum dums!

>>39924446
>>39924629
I don't believe you, stop pretending to be him and doodle on the map he started for me!!! You just want to make him look bad!!!

>>39924816
Kek how would that make me look bad? Here, I'll put up my trip that you can look up in the archives. I'm happy you would defend me like this though. Map is real, and I would very much like your feedback on it.

>>39924816
Bruh, Cunt likes to troll...

>>39924916
Wait where do i look what up? Is this really you?
>>39924921
But people said i should be careful about schizos and mister Cunt has done nothing but nice things to me.

>>39925217
You really should believe me when I say Cunt does troll. It's part of his charm. It's also why he is called Cunt.

>>39925217
On Warosu, if you enter the password after the name, in this case .Q010oIZDo, after clicking on [advanced] for the search, it will find you all the archived posts with this same trip. And yea, it was me making a little joke that spiraled too far...Sorry again, I really thought I gave enough clues with the Sana pics... I was also pretty sure I posted Bae in our convos before, so that was my mistake...I do post both of them, since I really did go from one aussie EN to the other kek

>>39925429
I didn't know passwords exist and why does it show it to others then? Could others then not copy it? Also i'm sorry i didn't understand your joke at all... I use pictures to try and find people in here but i don't pay attention to them that much if i talk, i also forgot if you used Bae pictures before... i will try to remember that.

>>39844950
https://rentry.org/Serene-Principality-of-Agra
Place under Risu lore. Just started this.

>>39925762
The actual password I use is different, the trip is simply generated from that and is unique unless someone else uses the same password. I guess me saying it's a password was wrong in that sentence, sorry. And it's ok, it was a dumb joke anyway.
And yea, for the most part, any Sana and Bae pictures in this thread are me. And if you REALLY think it's a schizo impersonating me, just ask for a trip, I ain't against putting it on.Also, I know you tried to defend me(even if it was against myself) but if you think someone's a schizo, the last thing you wanna do is respond to them. Just ignore them and move on. Also, the map...?

>>39926134
Here is the map.

>>39925762
that's not the password. it's the security code to prove that it's the person who use the password. I see why you fell for that troll with the fake trip code

cord calling out the fake haganon

>>39926153
Not that, you doofus! I'm asking him for feedback on the hydrology map of /hag/

>>39926134
Ok, i will try to remember that. Sorry about all the trouble...
Uhm for the map, can some rivers start less at the border and also can the big lake be bigger and closer to the mountains? Also the two lakes together was meant to be a big mother lake feeding into a small child lake.

>>39926213
This better?

>>39926204

>>39926204
I'm not a fake or a child... I don't like talking about me because i know you probably will make fun of it, but i'm mentally challenged somewhat...

>>39926204
nice

Alright you fucks I'm holding my niece and my extended family has their 8 yr old kid showing me Portuguese memes so I'm a happy boy. How are all you lovely sexy darlings doing today? What did I miss?

>>39926460
Eh don't worry about it, it's all cool. Think you could mark the changes you want me to do on the map?
Also, we'd never make fun of you for something like that, but I also understand why you wouldn't want to share much about yourself...just keep being you and all will be good, you're doing great!

>>39926204

>>39926728
Been waiting for you in soc.

>>39926204

>>39926609
>i'm mentally challenged somewhat...
join the club, along with practically all of 4chan. certainly the good parts of it.

Hello? ヾ(>ω<○)

>>39928068
do you wish to continue from yesterday with this post?
>>39866804
lets not avatarfag since janny.

>>39928119
Is that you elarep? If yeah then sure! I got hit with offtopic...

>>39928068
SEXY BITCH! I saw what you and others were talking about and I'm proud of you. Remember that I fucking love you not just because I want to grope your plump ass cheeks but because everything you have ever suggested has been really unique and kino. And anyone that dares to bully my darling ri2ner deserves the rope. Keep being you do you actually have a juicy butt?

>>39928282
yeah just respond to what i put

Hold on Im getting snacks. A bit hungry at night

Am back! had instant noodles.
>>39928359
not now! (≧▽≦)
>>39866804
>resolving local disputes, and made up of representatives from each clan or village. this is where the guilds also are organized since you would want craftsmen from say, demeter and kenkerto to work together as one.
sooo guilds are in between local administration and the priesthood? so in a way the economy guys have more leeway than the chiefs
>have nuts set like a fiat
>acorn one unit of value, walnut two, brasilnut 100, etc. also, things such as corvee labour, tax exemptions for a period, etc can be used
Risu has a very high nut harvesting rate. would this affect the value in this transition? Fiat is not a good method in this case. Need something more objective like a standard. I like the part of using nuts as a standard of value in this phase but nuts can be harvested by anyone off any tree. Huhh
>foreigners will be the way of the future for your confederation as founding fathers
They already are! Kronies in Demeter, Nasfags in Sabatangan, Joyo inviting Pomeranians and Meps too. just dont have it become like Belt and Road initiative.

>>39930812
>first
yes in a way but in my opinion you need secular leaders, religious leaders, and guild leaders working together on all levels.
>2nd
i suggested nuts as a temporary fiat to be replaced by a gold or silver standard. the issue is you sort of have to have a fiat in transisition unfortunately… its more that this is just short time you know? Since nuts arent really that useful as a currency beyond their religious value to you right now, but they can be a temporary fix. Money is hard but i believe that currency would be a first step.
>3rd
yes and that is the plan! Any more questions

>>39931184
Hmmm what if we substitute nuts with production? in a week, the guilds track our fruits and nuts harvests, our livestocks raised, our crafts made. this become the standard value for that month. even if youre a family making butter, every gram contributed to the guild will add up to prosperity! would this be a good motivation to have risuners start working?

>>39931437
That works too fine. a reality for risuners is that they really have no idea how to nation on a large scale right now which is a good point to show as teething issues. theories are nice and grand ideas come and go, but getting something to work takes great effort. i might start writing from my end soon as i think me and you are on the same page. lets do it!

Hey ri2, do you know any economic theories?

ok, i will start the beginning of Dom João in 1133 or 34 if that works for you ri2ner. the reason being is you guys probably need to realize that "shit, we don't know wtf we are doing" first because i know risuners are stubborn and lazy kek. also will allow things at Rajabasa council to make sense.

>>39931561
Thanks! Im open to more suggestions
>>39931590
A fan of environmentally reserved economics. No waste and excess. Like social credit and farmer market agrarianism.

>>39932141
i think you have it mostly covered, now its time for me to do my end and introduce Dom João to you guys...

new bread doko?

>>39934780
Aye, I'll whip it up

>>39935138